WEBVTT - Wilt's 100 Point Game Inside Story with Chamberlain Biographer Gary Pomerantz

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, what to welcome in. I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is

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<v Speaker 1>All Ball, where, of course you listen to stories about

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<v Speaker 1>basketball present, basketball pass sometimes we very off of basketball

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<v Speaker 1>all together. And Karen Palmerans is my guest on this

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<v Speaker 1>kind of shortened version of All Ball because this is

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<v Speaker 1>the anniversary of Wilt Chamberlain's one hundred point game, and

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<v Speaker 1>so instead of getting into the back and forth about

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<v Speaker 1>about Will's all all time greatness or maybe even talking

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<v Speaker 1>about present day selection spots for the upcoming n c

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<v Speaker 1>A tournament or the NBA and how we evaluate current teams.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, there's all these nonsensical historical arguments about who's

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<v Speaker 1>the top ten player who's not. I just thought we

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<v Speaker 1>should get some perspective on something which is really one

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<v Speaker 1>of the maybe the most remarkable record in all of sports.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, some of these records are going to be

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<v Speaker 1>or have been broken, right from Babe Ruth than Roger

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<v Speaker 1>Marris obviously to Henry Aaron's record. Whether you think that

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<v Speaker 1>Barry Bonds broke it on the up and up, I

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<v Speaker 1>do not. I still consider Henry are in the all

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<v Speaker 1>time home run king um and I think that Roger

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<v Speaker 1>Maris is still the single season home run King that said,

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<v Speaker 1>a hundred points in a game is in the an

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<v Speaker 1>NBA is never going to be topped. It's just not

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if Jordan couldn't do it, if Kobe couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>do it. Um, it stands the reason that even Steph

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<v Speaker 1>Curry couldn't do it, even though it feels easier in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of three versus two and the volume of possessions

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<v Speaker 1>in the pace of the game. That said, uh, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a record that we don't know a ton about, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Like if I was to ask you about the Hunter

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<v Speaker 1>point game, you might know is in Hershey, Pennsylvania. You

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<v Speaker 1>remember the world Chamberlain holding up the hundred on a

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<v Speaker 1>piece of paper, and outside of that, you really don't

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<v Speaker 1>know anything, right, So let's dig in. Let's find out.

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<v Speaker 1>The man who wrote the book on the point game

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<v Speaker 1>is Gary Pomerans. He joins us now on All Ball.

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<v Speaker 1>So Gary, this, Uh, this book is amazing because it

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<v Speaker 1>talks about something it's probably I don't know, top five

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<v Speaker 1>most reference sports moment, sports stat sports accomplishment that there

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<v Speaker 1>I believe isn't any take footage of like what is

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<v Speaker 1>there actually footage of the game. No, all that exists

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<v Speaker 1>because there were no TV cameras. There is the fourth

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<v Speaker 1>quarter tape of the play by play calling w c

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<v Speaker 1>AU radio Bill Campbell made the call, and that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>Other than that. I mean, this thing was like a

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<v Speaker 1>sunken galleon just resting on the ocean floor. Everyone had

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<v Speaker 1>heard of it, as you say, but nobody knew anything

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<v Speaker 1>about it. So so why what what led you to

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<v Speaker 1>want to write write this book? So? When I was

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<v Speaker 1>a kid, I was in l a and, um, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in the early seventies, I saw this old, muscled up

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<v Speaker 1>Will Chamberlain playing for the Lakers, wearing his yellow headband,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, um, defensive player primarily shot blocker, rebounder, And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking, how did that guy score a hundred points?

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, what I came to find out it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>that guy has scored under points. It was an earlier

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<v Speaker 1>version of that guy seven one two and sixty pounds

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<v Speaker 1>ran the floor like a train. Um, you know, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I would go so far to say, is that Chamberlain

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<v Speaker 1>um a decathlete basketball sensation? If you judge athleticism purely

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<v Speaker 1>on the criteria of size, speed, strength, and agility, then

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<v Speaker 1>Chamberlain might have been the greatest pure athlete of the

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<v Speaker 1>twentieth century. And if not, he's at least in that conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>So decide, Okay, I want to I want to write

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<v Speaker 1>this book about this moment where there is very little

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<v Speaker 1>historical record. It's not that everybody doesn't know it exists,

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<v Speaker 1>it's that there's just very lowest what's the process, like,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you how do you even start such a project?

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<v Speaker 1>So the first thing to do is find the players

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<v Speaker 1>who were in the game, because they're the central figures

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<v Speaker 1>in the event. And then it was finding you know,

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<v Speaker 1>people like Harvey Pollock, that noted statistician forever part of

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<v Speaker 1>the NBA for sixty years. He was a statistician that

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<v Speaker 1>night and pr guy and everything else for the threadbare

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<v Speaker 1>operation of the Philadelphia Warriors in UM. And then I

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<v Speaker 1>even put in a note in the Harrisburg newspaper, Harrisburg

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<v Speaker 1>being thirteen miles away, it's where the Nicks stayed that

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<v Speaker 1>night when they came to play in Hershey, UM, asking

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<v Speaker 1>anybody if they were at the game, to reach out

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<v Speaker 1>to you by email, phone, whatever, and they and I

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<v Speaker 1>heard from maybe ten twelve people how many of them

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<v Speaker 1>had actually been there? I couldn't tell, but there were

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<v Speaker 1>a few that clearly were there because their stories were

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<v Speaker 1>interlocking and overlapping or corroborating other stories I'd heard about

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<v Speaker 1>the game, like, this is like detective work. It is

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<v Speaker 1>like detective work for an unsolved crime. Well, I think

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<v Speaker 1>the Knicks did view it as a crime. They knew

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<v Speaker 1>that if this guy scored a hundred points, people will

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<v Speaker 1>be talking about it sixty years later. Why did they

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<v Speaker 1>play in Hershey, Pennsylvania. Well, the NBA was not the

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<v Speaker 1>NBA of today. Today, it's you know, glamour, glitz, exploding lights.

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<v Speaker 1>Back then, it was a lounge act. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>league in search of itself. The old joke was that

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<v Speaker 1>the p A announcer would introduce the starting lineups and

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<v Speaker 1>then would introduce each fan. There's Doug from Hershey and

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<v Speaker 1>Phil from Harrisburg. I mean, there weren't many people dug

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<v Speaker 1>in in that crowd. They said four thousand and twenty four.

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<v Speaker 1>But even that is suspect, I think because I know

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<v Speaker 1>of a number of kids who snuck into the arena

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<v Speaker 1>and the usual time tested ways, and I know that

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<v Speaker 1>Eddie Gottlieb, the skin Flip Flynn, owner of the Philadelphia Warriors,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, famously inflated his crowds and got he as

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<v Speaker 1>he was called, he was round, but his crowd counts

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<v Speaker 1>never worked. Four one to four four thousand one four.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the official attendance in Hershey, Okay, so you're starting

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of piece things together. Obviously Will no longer

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<v Speaker 1>was no longer with us um Who who is the

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<v Speaker 1>best in terms of the players, who had the best

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<v Speaker 1>kind of clearest recollection with the most I want to

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<v Speaker 1>say integrity, maybe credibility. Well, you know, I also wrote

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<v Speaker 1>a book about the crash of a small commuter plane,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, there were mostly survivors, there were some

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<v Speaker 1>who perished in this crash. And I would go to one,

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<v Speaker 1>then an interview, then the net. What plane? It was

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<v Speaker 1>a delta commuter an Ember one, twenty twenty nine people

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<v Speaker 1>aboard going from Atlanta to the Mississippi coast, an obscure plane.

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<v Speaker 1>No one famous on a twenty nine aboard a crew

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<v Speaker 1>of three pass singers, and it crashed and the people

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<v Speaker 1>had time to get out, but they had to run

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<v Speaker 1>through fire, and ultimately ten died and nineteen survived. And

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<v Speaker 1>I spent time with eighteen of the nineteen. There's always

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<v Speaker 1>one it doesn't want to be interviewed and piece together

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<v Speaker 1>what they saw, what they experienced, what they knew. This

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<v Speaker 1>was about three years post crash. Well, here's a basketball

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<v Speaker 1>game now that I'm trying to reconstruct forty years post crash.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the most interesting people for me to interview

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<v Speaker 1>was Darryl Imhoff, the former center at Berkeley. Won gold

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<v Speaker 1>medal with the nineteen sixty U S Olympics team in Rome,

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<v Speaker 1>and Darryl had the unenviable task of covering the Dipper

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<v Speaker 1>that night. And he told me that, you know every

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<v Speaker 1>march onet. In other words, the eve of the anniversary

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<v Speaker 1>of the hundred point game, he would break out into

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<v Speaker 1>hives and get rashes, knowing that people were gonna call um.

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<v Speaker 1>Darryl only played twenty minutes of that game. Uh and

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<v Speaker 1>uh and felled out. He felled out, and that meant

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<v Speaker 1>the Knick's next tallest player was six ft eight rookie

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<v Speaker 1>Cleveland Buckner, who was kind of built like a flagpole,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. He was very thin and and couldn't hardly

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<v Speaker 1>muscle up to will but im Hoff. I met him

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<v Speaker 1>in Eugene, Oregon at the US Basketball Academy where he

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<v Speaker 1>worked at the time. Darryl has since sadly passed away,

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<v Speaker 1>but there was an open court there as he was

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<v Speaker 1>giving me a tour of the place, and I said, Darryl,

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<v Speaker 1>come here for a second, and we went down into

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<v Speaker 1>the key. I said, I want you to show me

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<v Speaker 1>how you covered Will. What I really meant to say,

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<v Speaker 1>has tried to cover Wilt? Uh that night. Now, Doug,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm five eleven. I'm a poor stand in for Wilt.

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<v Speaker 1>But um him Off was first. He played the Will character,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was him Off. He said, Will would lean

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<v Speaker 1>back and it was like a tree was about to

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<v Speaker 1>fall on me with his upper body leaned back, and

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<v Speaker 1>Um and he leaned back into me. Then we switched

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<v Speaker 1>positions and he became him Off and I became Willed.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, Will be down low here, and I remember

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<v Speaker 1>the key was the lane was only twelve ft wide then,

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<v Speaker 1>and in part because of Will, they widened it shortly

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<v Speaker 1>after to sixteen. But when Wilt's got a twelve ft lane,

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<v Speaker 1>he can be out of the lane. Take get the ball,

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<v Speaker 1>take one step, a long lunging step, and duncan He's

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<v Speaker 1>right there. William Off showed me how he took his

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<v Speaker 1>left foot and sort of tried to wedge in Will's

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<v Speaker 1>left foot to keep him from turning in. And then

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<v Speaker 1>he took his knee and sort of put it in

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<v Speaker 1>and buckled my left thigh. And then he took the

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<v Speaker 1>point of his elbow and put it between my shoulder blades.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna tell you, forty years later, he could inflict

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<v Speaker 1>pain still with that. I mean it hurt. This is

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<v Speaker 1>what he tried to do to Will Mutt, do anything

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<v Speaker 1>he could to push him away from the basket. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>when Amo fouls out. The Knicks had another six ft

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<v Speaker 1>ten inch center named Phil Jordan's pretty good player, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>not very big either. I mean he's six ten but

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<v Speaker 1>about two and ten pounds. Um. The problem was he'd

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<v Speaker 1>gone on out on a late night bender the night before,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was vomiting at the hotel Pan Harris. So

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<v Speaker 1>anyone's gonna do much good playing against Will in hearsty.

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<v Speaker 1>So as Will's point point total is climbing climbing, um,

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<v Speaker 1>the Knicks just surround him. And Paul Arison, the great

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<v Speaker 1>Hall of Famer who played for Wild's team, the Philadelphia Warriors,

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<v Speaker 1>told me he said, if if somebody had walked into

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<v Speaker 1>the arena, they would have thought the Knicks were way

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<v Speaker 1>ahead because they were stalling, they're running a weave, they're

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<v Speaker 1>doing anything to keep the ball from Will. And they

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<v Speaker 1>would have thought the Warriors were losing, because as soon

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<v Speaker 1>as the Knicks got the ball, the Warriors would quickly

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<v Speaker 1>fall him. So it became a more of a chess match.

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<v Speaker 1>And and you know, as I say the Knicks, they're

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<v Speaker 1>they're intensity, their sense of dread intensified as this game

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<v Speaker 1>went on. Was was it was there a point where

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<v Speaker 1>the Warriors decided to go for the hundred? Like, was

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<v Speaker 1>it before the game he want Will to try and

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<v Speaker 1>see how many he could score? Or was it just

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<v Speaker 1>the process of the game play and holy crap, world

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<v Speaker 1>can get a hundred, let's keep feeding in the basketball.

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<v Speaker 1>Well it was the latter. Um. You know, the Knicks

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<v Speaker 1>were not a very good team. Earlier that year, they've

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<v Speaker 1>given up sixty three points to the Lakers Jerry West.

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<v Speaker 1>The year before, they've given up seventy one points to

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<v Speaker 1>Elgin Baylor of the Lakers. Jack Kaiser, a writer in Philadelphia, wrote,

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<v Speaker 1>you can find better benches in Central Park. Um. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>so the Knicks. You begin, we weren't very good. They

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<v Speaker 1>were missing their center of Phil Jordan's. That's a problem.

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<v Speaker 1>But what what what people little consider about Will's Hunter

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<v Speaker 1>point game is that the teammates need to go along

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<v Speaker 1>with it. I mean, they need to subvert their ego, right,

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<v Speaker 1>they need to give up the ball. And with seven

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<v Speaker 1>and a half minutes ago, Harvey Pollock, the statistician, slides

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<v Speaker 1>a sheet of paper over to Dave Zenkoff, the Zinc

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<v Speaker 1>the Great p a announcer, and Dave Zinkoff says, ladies

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<v Speaker 1>and gentlemen, Will Chamberlain has just broken his own scoring record.

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<v Speaker 1>He now has seventy nine points. Now everyone has context,

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<v Speaker 1>because this is not a time where you look up

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<v Speaker 1>at the big board above the court and you see

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<v Speaker 1>number thirteen A is you know, seventy undre? Is there

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<v Speaker 1>any possibility that they inflated, as you said, they inflayd

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<v Speaker 1>the attendance, that they inflated Bill's points? No, no, they didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>And and you know, it's it's kind of fun. This

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<v Speaker 1>game has been launched into sports mythology. People don't believe

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<v Speaker 1>it happened to People told Will, I was there the

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<v Speaker 1>night you scored a hundred of Madison Square garden, that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of stuff. You know. Um, people want to be

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<v Speaker 1>close to great moments such as that. So no, it

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<v Speaker 1>did happen. And it was not fifty dunks. Will It

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<v Speaker 1>was running the floor. Will was scoring on putbacks. Will

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<v Speaker 1>it was scoring on so called dipper dunks. And with

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<v Speaker 1>forty six seconds to go, Um he scores. And you

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<v Speaker 1>can hear Bill Campbell on the tape rebound. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>look and Bill out to rook lick into Chamberlain. He

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<v Speaker 1>made it. He made it a dipper dunk. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>the fans are over the all over the floor, and

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<v Speaker 1>that was the sons of the chocolate factory workers sweeping

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<v Speaker 1>under the court to celebrate with will Um. He also

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<v Speaker 1>made his free throws that night, that two. That was

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<v Speaker 1>that was really the kind of the big difference was

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<v Speaker 1>he was a poor free throw shooter, and in that

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<v Speaker 1>night he made a much higher percentage of free throws.

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<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, thirty two. And he was shooting him underhanded.

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<v Speaker 1>He was shooting modern and he looked ridiculous. I mean,

0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:25.440
<v Speaker 1>he bent down low, his knees flared out. He looked

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<v Speaker 1>like an adult trying to sit in a Kindergartener's chair.

0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:32.000
<v Speaker 1>But he made thirty two. By the way, Guy Rodgers

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<v Speaker 1>and Paul Eirison also shot them underhanded at that time.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh So, if there's any real miracle in hershey, it's not.

0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:41.800
<v Speaker 1>The wild scored a hundred and said he made thirty

0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:45.000
<v Speaker 1>two free throws. He'd scored seventy eight in a three

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<v Speaker 1>overtime game earlier that season. And you know, you think

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<v Speaker 1>about seventy eight points. A few of those shots that

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<v Speaker 1>rolled out, if they go in, he makes a few

0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:54.920
<v Speaker 1>more free throws, you know, in that game he's up

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<v Speaker 1>to ninety and then all bets are off. So it

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<v Speaker 1>had been prophecied that the young champ Lynn woods for

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<v Speaker 1>a hundred points in a game. And and the thing

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<v Speaker 1>is is Wilt was a luminous figure at that time.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, he lived off Central Park in New York

0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:15.960
<v Speaker 1>and drove down to Philadelphia for games. Really, yeah, you

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<v Speaker 1>can imagine how popular that made him with teammates. And

0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:20.680
<v Speaker 1>he had so he lived in it. It's an hour

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<v Speaker 1>and a half, right even, I mean, and then probably

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<v Speaker 1>even longer. But the thing is is Will had a

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<v Speaker 1>fancy sports car, sports car that he drove at high

0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:30.720
<v Speaker 1>speeds so whatever it would take you, and maybe I

0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:34.040
<v Speaker 1>don't know how fast do you drive, but it would yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>well it would take will longer or less time to

0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:40.040
<v Speaker 1>get there than it would me. Um. He owned a racehorse,

0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:44.760
<v Speaker 1>He owned a custom made Bentley. He co owned a

0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:50.080
<v Speaker 1>Harlem nightclub called Big Wilt's Smallest Paradise. And you know

0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:53.800
<v Speaker 1>it featured the likes of Red Fox and Edta James

0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:56.560
<v Speaker 1>and Cannonball at early and Wilts there in his fine

0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:59.520
<v Speaker 1>suit as the greeter. And he's moving through that club

0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:03.160
<v Speaker 1>like he is all of New York and and so

0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:06.560
<v Speaker 1>so he was an outsize figure at this is you

0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:10.520
<v Speaker 1>know you think of of sports stars as celebrities today,

0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:13.520
<v Speaker 1>he was already a celebrity in nineteen sixty two. And

0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:16.640
<v Speaker 1>and the dated I mean John Glenn orbited Earth ten

0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:19.120
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0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:24.080
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<v Speaker 1>So how is how is the accomplishment received? Well, it

0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:40.520
<v Speaker 1>was like the Mighty Oak fell in the forest in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of the night, and no one heard, you know,

0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:47.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Harvey Pollock was was there writing for the

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<v Speaker 1>Associated Press, the United Press and the Philadelphia Inquirer. There

0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:53.840
<v Speaker 1>were only two writers there, neither from New York. No

0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:58.640
<v Speaker 1>TV UM, and it took a little while for working

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<v Speaker 1>to get out, you know. It was it was like

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<v Speaker 1>they were waiting for the wagon trade or the pony

0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:06.880
<v Speaker 1>expressed to show up with the news. Um. But you know,

0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:10.200
<v Speaker 1>Bill Russell's reaction was, well, the big fellow finally did it.

0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:15.600
<v Speaker 1>And uh. For the longest time, Will did not embrace

0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:19.480
<v Speaker 1>this performance. Um. He thought it fed the notion that

0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:22.920
<v Speaker 1>he was an individualist only interested in patting his own stats.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, in the locker room after the game, Al Addles,

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<v Speaker 1>his teammate, then told me that he remembers Will just

0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:33.320
<v Speaker 1>staring at the stat book and thinking, just shaking his head.

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<v Speaker 1>And Al said, what's a matter of big fella? And

0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:40.520
<v Speaker 1>Will said, I took sixty three shots and Addle said, yeah,

0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:44.000
<v Speaker 1>but you made thirty six of them. And it was

0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:48.600
<v Speaker 1>only decades later when Will began to understand what he'd done.

0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:51.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean, as the baseball star of the Red Sox,

0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:53.360
<v Speaker 1>Ted Williams used to say he wanted to walk down

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<v Speaker 1>the street and have people pointed him and say, there

0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:58.840
<v Speaker 1>goes the greatest hitter who ever lived. Wild came to

0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:01.480
<v Speaker 1>realize that as he walked down the street, people would

0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:03.080
<v Speaker 1>point in him and say, there goes the guy who

0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:09.080
<v Speaker 1>scored a hundred points. Who who Who's who's cursive or

0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:12.000
<v Speaker 1>whose writing is on the famous piece of paper that

0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:15.240
<v Speaker 1>says hundred points. Well, so that's Harvey Pollock. So Harvey

0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:17.840
<v Speaker 1>was in the locker room and there was one photographer there,

0:17:17.840 --> 0:17:21.280
<v Speaker 1>actually there were two, one from the Harrisburg Paper, but

0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:25.320
<v Speaker 1>had other assignments, so he left after the first quarter. Well,

0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:31.040
<v Speaker 1>that left one off duty associated press photographer named Paul Vats.

0:17:31.480 --> 0:17:34.080
<v Speaker 1>He wasn't just any photographer. He had won a Pulitzer

0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:37.080
<v Speaker 1>Prize the year before for a photo he had taken

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<v Speaker 1>of the young President John Kennedy walking on a path.

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<v Speaker 1>Was with the former President Dwight Eisenhower at Camp David.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh so he's there with his ten year old son,

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<v Speaker 1>taking him there for as a gift for his tenth birthday.

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<v Speaker 1>And at the end of the third quarter, Bathist told

0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:55.719
<v Speaker 1>me he said to his son, you stay here I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going out in the car to get my camera. So

0:17:57.760 --> 0:17:59.919
<v Speaker 1>he opens the trunk of his car, grabs his Cameron

0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:02.560
<v Speaker 1>comes in. He's got twenty shots and he's only got

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<v Speaker 1>one roll left. He wasn't planning to work that night,

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<v Speaker 1>so he plants himself under the basket and he gets

0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:11.600
<v Speaker 1>a few game photos, and then he goes in the

0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:14.960
<v Speaker 1>locker room afterwards and says to Harvey Pollock, Harvey, you

0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:18.879
<v Speaker 1>think we can get Will to pose? And Harvey, thinking fast,

0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:21.840
<v Speaker 1>said hey. Hef to Jim heffern In, one of the

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<v Speaker 1>film one of the two Philadelphia sports writers there that night,

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<v Speaker 1>you got a sheet of paper I can borrow? And

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<v Speaker 1>Heffernan gives him an eight and a half by eleven sheet,

0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:32.359
<v Speaker 1>and Harvey, in a brainstorm, writes one zero zero, gives

0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:34.640
<v Speaker 1>it to Will, and Will holds it up. Now that's

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<v Speaker 1>become maybe the most iconic basketball photo ever. Um and

0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:44.439
<v Speaker 1>it it's really those stage, completely staged. It's it's a

0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:47.920
<v Speaker 1>great photo because if you look on the wall behind Will,

0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:51.520
<v Speaker 1>you can see his trousers and a jacket just hanging

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<v Speaker 1>from hooks. He's on a solitary bench. He's sitting there,

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<v Speaker 1>his knees are up in his chest. He's his face

0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:00.680
<v Speaker 1>is covered with sweat. He's sort of smiling and cheapishly.

0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:03.080
<v Speaker 1>You can see one of the good luck rubber bands

0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:08.439
<v Speaker 1>he always wore at his wrist. It's it's that great moment.

0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:11.320
<v Speaker 1>It's the Dippers moment. It's the night Will scored a

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<v Speaker 1>hundred points. And that's why that photo I think we'll

0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:17.560
<v Speaker 1>live forever. He wore rubber bands on his wrists. Well,

0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:21.440
<v Speaker 1>he wore rubber bands two on his socks to keep

0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:24.600
<v Speaker 1>them from falling down during games. He it's something that

0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:27.840
<v Speaker 1>dated back to high school. And he kept two spares,

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<v Speaker 1>one on each wrist. So you had quitters. That's not

0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:33.359
<v Speaker 1>quitter when you pull up a sock and won't stay up.

0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:36.159
<v Speaker 1>Quitters back in the day would stay up, so he

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<v Speaker 1>needed That's that's amazing, That's that's really a marketing so

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<v Speaker 1>um so, yeah, it's it's the tree that fell in

0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:49.360
<v Speaker 1>the forest. Um uh so that how did that year

0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:53.159
<v Speaker 1>end up? Because again, it's it's just such a weird

0:19:53.640 --> 0:19:59.560
<v Speaker 1>moment that everybody remembers. Will average fifty, okay, and I

0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:02.679
<v Speaker 1>think only five rebounds and he had a hundred. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's like the complete opposite of now where the only

0:20:06.680 --> 0:20:10.480
<v Speaker 1>thing anybody remembers is who actually won the title. How

0:20:10.520 --> 0:20:13.359
<v Speaker 1>are the Warriors that year? Well, they were good, they

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<v Speaker 1>were you know, they won forty nine games. They were

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<v Speaker 1>forty nine and thirty one. They finished eleven games behind

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<v Speaker 1>the Celtics. They went into the postseason then lost again

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<v Speaker 1>to Bill Russell. Um. Uh. And you know, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>there is one statistic from that season, Doug that people

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, and they should know because it may last

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<v Speaker 1>longer than the hundred point game and uh. And that

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<v Speaker 1>is that he averaged that season forty eight and a

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<v Speaker 1>half minutes played per game. Now the game, as you know,

0:20:41.240 --> 0:20:44.119
<v Speaker 1>it's forty eight minutes minutes. They were overtime games. There

0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:47.520
<v Speaker 1>was a triple overtime game and another overtime game. He

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<v Speaker 1>only missed eight minutes and thirty three seconds of the

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<v Speaker 1>entire season. That's how is that possible? Well, it's possible

0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:56.679
<v Speaker 1>because the referee, Norm Drucker threw him out of a

0:20:56.680 --> 0:20:59.720
<v Speaker 1>game with eight minutes forty three seconds left, and so

0:20:59.840 --> 0:21:03.280
<v Speaker 1>he never came out of games. Before the season, he

0:21:03.359 --> 0:21:06.879
<v Speaker 1>told the new coach, the college legend Frank McGuire, a

0:21:07.040 --> 0:21:10.440
<v Speaker 1>dandy from Greenwich Village, to coach, you know you want

0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:14.280
<v Speaker 1>me to play. Um, I can't help this team sitting

0:21:14.320 --> 0:21:16.119
<v Speaker 1>on the bench. And besides, if you put me on

0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:18.600
<v Speaker 1>the bench and then bring me into the game back in,

0:21:18.760 --> 0:21:20.840
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna take me three minutes to get this body

0:21:20.840 --> 0:21:24.520
<v Speaker 1>warmed up. So he was like, okay, Wilty, you'll play

0:21:24.560 --> 0:21:27.399
<v Speaker 1>every every game. And so he did. You know you

0:21:27.440 --> 0:21:30.640
<v Speaker 1>think of time management of players, you know, keeping their

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<v Speaker 1>minutes down, sometimes not playing them at all. Just didn't

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<v Speaker 1>happen then, So he played all but eight minutes in

0:21:39.359 --> 0:21:42.720
<v Speaker 1>change of the entire season, never came out in eight

0:21:42.840 --> 0:21:45.040
<v Speaker 1>games other than that one time when he was thrown.

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<v Speaker 1>That's more mind blowing than anything I've ever heard. Yep,

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<v Speaker 1>ever I've ever heard. That's that's incredible. That's incredible. If

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<v Speaker 1>you get doing any NBA player today, you probably get

0:21:56.840 --> 0:22:00.320
<v Speaker 1>a lost it the players. I'm not playing Tuesday. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the best with my best, my dream to never come out. Um.

0:22:05.000 --> 0:22:09.440
<v Speaker 1>So he couldn't beat the Celtics. And my ley father

0:22:09.560 --> 0:22:11.840
<v Speaker 1>was a basketball coach. He had the opinion of Will

0:22:11.920 --> 0:22:14.640
<v Speaker 1>that he wasn't a winner, that he wasn't a big

0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:19.440
<v Speaker 1>game player, that Russell was. When when you're researching Russell.

0:22:19.960 --> 0:22:22.320
<v Speaker 1>What was the general opinion of him, other than his

0:22:22.520 --> 0:22:28.000
<v Speaker 1>incredible physical dominance. Well, the thing about Russell was his

0:22:28.040 --> 0:22:31.080
<v Speaker 1>shock blocking and defensive skills. Will it was an offensive player.

0:22:31.160 --> 0:22:35.800
<v Speaker 1>He had his defensive moments too. Um but um, you know,

0:22:36.080 --> 0:22:38.800
<v Speaker 1>Russell was surrounded by a constellation of stars. Will had

0:22:38.840 --> 0:22:41.200
<v Speaker 1>good players around him at different times during his career.

0:22:41.480 --> 0:22:43.000
<v Speaker 1>At the end of the Lakers when he won his

0:22:43.080 --> 0:22:47.480
<v Speaker 1>second and final title, Jerry West and and an old

0:22:47.480 --> 0:22:51.520
<v Speaker 1>Elgin Baylor. But yes, and he was old too, yeah right,

0:22:51.760 --> 0:22:54.600
<v Speaker 1>and and um you know when year Will playing for

0:22:54.600 --> 0:22:57.720
<v Speaker 1>the Philadelphia seventy sixers led the league and assists and

0:22:57.800 --> 0:23:00.480
<v Speaker 1>won a title. Any crowd leading the league and says me,

0:23:00.560 --> 0:23:02.600
<v Speaker 1>he said, that'd be like Babe Bruce leading league and

0:23:02.680 --> 0:23:07.600
<v Speaker 1>sacrifice bunts. Um but but um, the thing about Russell

0:23:07.840 --> 0:23:12.480
<v Speaker 1>is Ross Russell traumatized shooters. I remember I interviewed Pete

0:23:12.560 --> 0:23:16.120
<v Speaker 1>Newell for this book, and he had um coached Cal

0:23:16.520 --> 0:23:20.040
<v Speaker 1>back in the day Russell was He's playing at USF

0:23:20.840 --> 0:23:23.720
<v Speaker 1>and he said Russell would come like almost out of

0:23:23.760 --> 0:23:27.760
<v Speaker 1>the shadows and block shots of his best shooters. And

0:23:27.760 --> 0:23:31.720
<v Speaker 1>and it's so traumatized Cal's best shooters that they weren't

0:23:31.720 --> 0:23:33.520
<v Speaker 1>the same for another three or four games. It's like

0:23:33.560 --> 0:23:35.840
<v Speaker 1>they still feared Russell, who's not even in the game.

0:23:35.880 --> 0:23:38.760
<v Speaker 1>It's gonna show up here and block their shot. Um

0:23:38.960 --> 0:23:41.679
<v Speaker 1>Will traumatize people with his offense. And this year, nine

0:23:42.480 --> 0:23:46.200
<v Speaker 1>sixty two, the big scoring sensation was the rookie Walt Bellamy.

0:23:46.359 --> 0:23:48.439
<v Speaker 1>He average, He was one of five guys to average

0:23:48.440 --> 0:23:50.960
<v Speaker 1>thirty points a game that year. And when you know, Will,

0:23:51.080 --> 0:23:54.200
<v Speaker 1>Will ramps up his intensity when he plays against somebody

0:23:54.200 --> 0:23:56.560
<v Speaker 1>who's getting a lot of attention. So here comes Bellamy

0:23:56.640 --> 0:24:00.000
<v Speaker 1>to center court, shakes Will's hand and said, hello, Mr Chamberlain,

0:24:00.320 --> 0:24:04.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm Walter Bellamy. And Will shakes his hand and says, hello, Walter,

0:24:04.880 --> 0:24:06.920
<v Speaker 1>you won't get a shot off in the first half,

0:24:08.040 --> 0:24:10.400
<v Speaker 1>and Will blocks his first nine shots inside the free

0:24:10.440 --> 0:24:12.720
<v Speaker 1>throw line. Now they come back out for the second

0:24:12.760 --> 0:24:15.879
<v Speaker 1>half tip, which they did then and uh they and

0:24:16.359 --> 0:24:19.960
<v Speaker 1>Will looks at Bellamy and says, okay, Walter, now you

0:24:20.000 --> 0:24:24.600
<v Speaker 1>can play and wild out scores a fourteen and wins

0:24:24.640 --> 0:24:28.240
<v Speaker 1>the game. You know that that was a quintessential Wilt moment.

0:24:28.400 --> 0:24:31.359
<v Speaker 1>The goliath syndrome. You know, seven ft one, but he

0:24:31.400 --> 0:24:34.359
<v Speaker 1>needs to be bigger, and he pumps up himself and

0:24:34.960 --> 0:24:40.320
<v Speaker 1>there he is. Hm um. All these years, all these

0:24:40.400 --> 0:24:46.040
<v Speaker 1>years moved What what is the most fascinating takeaway that

0:24:46.200 --> 0:24:48.800
<v Speaker 1>people will read this book and go, I mean, the

0:24:48.840 --> 0:24:52.280
<v Speaker 1>stat obviously blows my mind. The idea that there's no

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<v Speaker 1>live video of it, only the fourth quarter recording, like

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<v Speaker 1>all these other things. But for you, with all the

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<v Speaker 1>time and research you spent, what's the what's the nugget

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<v Speaker 1>that somebody's gonna walk away going that one? I had

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<v Speaker 1>no idea. I didn't see coming, and I can't believe. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not so much a nugget as it is context,

0:25:10.840 --> 0:25:13.080
<v Speaker 1>the symbolism of the game. People view it as a

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<v Speaker 1>carnival act. It was not a carnival act. What people

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<v Speaker 1>little remember today, particularly young fans, is that in those

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<v Speaker 1>early years, the NBA had a racial quota that limited

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<v Speaker 1>the number of black players to just a few per team.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, the Philadelphia Warriors had three black players in

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<v Speaker 1>that game, Will Chamberlain, Aladdles and the guard Guy Rogers,

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<v Speaker 1>who had twenty assists at night, almost all of them

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<v Speaker 1>to wilt. And what Will did that night in Hershey

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<v Speaker 1>and by averaging fifty a game that season was to

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<v Speaker 1>symbolically blow apart the quota. This league was not going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a white man's enclave anymore. M. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know the quota. I mean, there's there's all these all

0:25:57.520 --> 0:26:01.720
<v Speaker 1>these incredible things. You didn't know, uh um about it.

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<v Speaker 1>There were there were quite a few players, black players

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<v Speaker 1>playing in the Eastern League getting fifty seventy five bucks

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<v Speaker 1>a game on the weekends, who were far superior players

0:26:10.640 --> 0:26:14.879
<v Speaker 1>to Um. You know, the NBA players on the bench,

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<v Speaker 1>the white guys, and some of them in the starting

0:26:16.520 --> 0:26:19.040
<v Speaker 1>lineups as well, And there was a lot of pain

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<v Speaker 1>in that for them. These interviews I had with some

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<v Speaker 1>of the early black pioneers in the NBA. UM, it's

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<v Speaker 1>important for us to remember this. It's really Chamberlain himself

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<v Speaker 1>is such a mythical figure. Right. You have the hunter

0:26:32.680 --> 0:26:35.439
<v Speaker 1>point game, you have the bragging about the ten thousand women.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I'm learning about the four D eight and a

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<v Speaker 1>half minutes. Um, I didn't know. Like he lived in

0:26:40.840 --> 0:26:45.800
<v Speaker 1>New York and played in Philadelphia. Those things are amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>You mentioned that it took him years to really embrace

0:26:49.840 --> 0:26:53.359
<v Speaker 1>the Hunter Points. Did anybody tell you why why why

0:26:53.400 --> 0:26:56.159
<v Speaker 1>he eventually? What was the moment or what was the

0:26:56.200 --> 0:26:58.800
<v Speaker 1>reasoning behind him finally embracing it. I think it was

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<v Speaker 1>a gradual pros says. It was almost like when he

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<v Speaker 1>came to embrace it, it was like a father embracing

0:27:06.680 --> 0:27:11.240
<v Speaker 1>his long estrange son. You know that, Um it had

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<v Speaker 1>meaning and and it was a profound experience for a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people. For Will, it was just one more

0:27:19.240 --> 0:27:23.239
<v Speaker 1>mega scoring night. You know, the numbers were astronomically that

0:27:23.320 --> 0:27:26.359
<v Speaker 1>season he averaged more. He scored more than fifty points

0:27:27.240 --> 0:27:30.280
<v Speaker 1>forty three times that year. So when he goes into

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<v Speaker 1>the fourth quarter with sixty nine points, as hard as

0:27:32.480 --> 0:27:35.800
<v Speaker 1>it is to for us to just put our rapp

0:27:35.840 --> 0:27:39.639
<v Speaker 1>our arms around that, you know, it wasn't that uncommon.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. You think today, with the change in technology,

0:27:43.880 --> 0:27:46.199
<v Speaker 1>what would happen if an NBA player goes into the

0:27:46.200 --> 0:27:48.840
<v Speaker 1>fourth quarter with sixty nine points? I mean, fans would

0:27:48.840 --> 0:27:51.760
<v Speaker 1>be tweeting it all over the place. ESPN sound trucks

0:27:51.800 --> 0:27:54.800
<v Speaker 1>would be circling Hershey Arena if that happened there, although

0:27:54.800 --> 0:27:59.119
<v Speaker 1>it wouldn't happen in Hershey. Now UM technology would lift

0:27:59.160 --> 0:28:03.720
<v Speaker 1>it um in a way that Will's hundred was not lifted.

0:28:03.920 --> 0:28:06.760
<v Speaker 1>Look when Kobe scored eighty one points in a game

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand six, that two against the last place team,

0:28:09.600 --> 0:28:13.800
<v Speaker 1>the Toronto Raptors, fifteen minutes after he scored his eighty

0:28:13.840 --> 0:28:17.280
<v Speaker 1>one You could buy a DVD of it online, right,

0:28:17.600 --> 0:28:20.080
<v Speaker 1>And and I wish we could have had a DVD

0:28:20.200 --> 0:28:23.040
<v Speaker 1>of Wild's hundred point game. On the one hand. On

0:28:23.080 --> 0:28:27.080
<v Speaker 1>the other hand, it's it's it lives in the imagination.

0:28:27.119 --> 0:28:30.840
<v Speaker 1>It's launched into mythology, you know, it's it's a part

0:28:30.840 --> 0:28:34.760
<v Speaker 1>of Americana. Now, it's a piece of Americana like Andy

0:28:34.800 --> 0:28:40.040
<v Speaker 1>warhol soup games. You know, Will Chamberlain's hundred point game. It's. Uh,

0:28:40.160 --> 0:28:43.080
<v Speaker 1>it's a moment that I think the Golden State Warriors,

0:28:43.120 --> 0:28:48.600
<v Speaker 1>the lineal descendants of Will's Philadelphia Warriors, should embrace more.

0:28:48.640 --> 0:28:52.640
<v Speaker 1>They should, they should, um, you know, promote the fact

0:28:52.680 --> 0:28:56.520
<v Speaker 1>that it's their guy, Will Chamberlain, who later, by the way,

0:28:56.640 --> 0:28:58.960
<v Speaker 1>moved out. And after he scored a hundred points that

0:28:59.000 --> 0:29:01.840
<v Speaker 1>season ended. The team was sold to San Francisco and

0:29:01.840 --> 0:29:04.640
<v Speaker 1>they became the San Francisco Warriors. And the next year

0:29:04.720 --> 0:29:07.440
<v Speaker 1>Will for that team in San Francisco average forty four

0:29:07.480 --> 0:29:09.920
<v Speaker 1>point eight points a game, and then thirty seven, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you know, another season, half season, the average about

0:29:13.240 --> 0:29:17.360
<v Speaker 1>thirty six points a game. Just still astronomical numbers, not fifty,

0:29:17.400 --> 0:29:20.920
<v Speaker 1>but still statistical outliers in the you know, in the

0:29:20.960 --> 0:29:24.000
<v Speaker 1>history of the NBA, numbers that only Will Chamberlain could

0:29:24.040 --> 0:29:30.440
<v Speaker 1>have produced. Amazing. I was thinking Rushmore of great individual

0:29:31.520 --> 0:29:35.160
<v Speaker 1>single game accomplishments. It's on an it's it is I

0:29:35.640 --> 0:29:38.640
<v Speaker 1>cannot I'm trying to think, like you know, I'm trying

0:29:38.680 --> 0:29:41.200
<v Speaker 1>to think if there's if there's who, what the other

0:29:41.240 --> 0:29:45.160
<v Speaker 1>three would be? In American sports, Yeah, I mean GAYL.

0:29:45.200 --> 0:29:48.280
<v Speaker 1>Sayers had a game the running back of the Chicago Bears,

0:29:48.360 --> 0:29:51.280
<v Speaker 1>and I think it was N three, playing on a muddy,

0:29:51.480 --> 0:29:56.400
<v Speaker 1>rainy day, and Wrigley Field scored six touchdowns. You know,

0:29:56.760 --> 0:29:59.959
<v Speaker 1>um produced three hundred and thirty six all purpose yards

0:30:00.040 --> 0:30:03.360
<v Speaker 1>returned upon eighty five yards for a touchdown, caught a pass.

0:30:04.640 --> 0:30:06.880
<v Speaker 1>I we just had one of those, one of those games.

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<v Speaker 1>But basketball allows numbers to be built to the stratosphere

0:30:12.240 --> 0:30:15.680
<v Speaker 1>in ways of oports don't. And and you know, baseball

0:30:15.720 --> 0:30:18.200
<v Speaker 1>guys not gonna hit twelve home runs in a game. No,

0:30:18.360 --> 0:30:21.320
<v Speaker 1>Reggie's Reggie's three home runs in the World Series is

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<v Speaker 1>is probably baseball's moment that compares and and maybe but

0:30:25.960 --> 0:30:28.920
<v Speaker 1>three versus a hundred. I mean, I I understand, I'm

0:30:29.160 --> 0:30:33.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm just like on the fly thinking what possibly could

0:30:34.120 --> 0:30:37.840
<v Speaker 1>match up? What like? That's that's how powerful this moment is.

0:30:38.080 --> 0:30:41.640
<v Speaker 1>There really isn't anything. And it's not like, well, there's

0:30:41.680 --> 0:30:44.040
<v Speaker 1>a couple of guys that had ninety, Like nobody at ninety,

0:30:45.360 --> 0:30:48.600
<v Speaker 1>nobody in five, nobody in eighty two. I mean, you know,

0:30:48.720 --> 0:30:51.480
<v Speaker 1>Kobe's eighty two is like the new base camp from

0:30:51.480 --> 0:30:54.440
<v Speaker 1>which to climb up Everest to get to you know this,

0:30:54.760 --> 0:30:56.640
<v Speaker 1>but you have to have three point shots even to

0:30:56.680 --> 0:30:59.719
<v Speaker 1>make that happen, right so, and which Will didn't have

0:31:00.160 --> 0:31:05.360
<v Speaker 1>Will did have a twelve foot lane, right so, Phil Jordan,

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<v Speaker 1>The sheer volume of shots is remarkable, the volume of

0:31:13.080 --> 0:31:15.480
<v Speaker 1>free throws, you know, so he shot with sixty three

0:31:15.480 --> 0:31:20.160
<v Speaker 1>shots and thirty two free throws. Correct. The whole thing

0:31:20.200 --> 0:31:23.600
<v Speaker 1>is nuts. It's nuts, and and some of it's just

0:31:23.840 --> 0:31:27.720
<v Speaker 1>the magic of one hundred, you know, um, in our culture,

0:31:27.760 --> 0:31:30.640
<v Speaker 1>it suggests a perfect score on a test a century.

0:31:31.080 --> 0:31:35.360
<v Speaker 1>You know, there's something golden about it. No, seven doesn't

0:31:35.360 --> 0:31:39.400
<v Speaker 1>do it. His teammates would would point out that he

0:31:39.680 --> 0:31:42.280
<v Speaker 1>got called for defensive goaltending three times in that game,

0:31:42.400 --> 0:31:48.360
<v Speaker 1>so really you scored a hundred. Yeah, that's amazing. Um, Garry,

0:31:48.400 --> 0:31:50.800
<v Speaker 1>thank you so much for joining me. This is fascinating

0:31:50.840 --> 0:31:54.520
<v Speaker 1>to anybody who loves the game and maybe even history.

0:31:54.600 --> 0:31:58.040
<v Speaker 1>Like it's it's more of a historical piece that just

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<v Speaker 1>about sports, right, because you're pay being the picture of

0:32:01.280 --> 0:32:03.840
<v Speaker 1>a completely different era at a moment in time which

0:32:03.880 --> 0:32:07.280
<v Speaker 1>everybody knows but doesn't actually know. Is that is that

0:32:07.320 --> 0:32:10.440
<v Speaker 1>a fair fair to say? Yes, fair to say? And

0:32:10.440 --> 0:32:12.160
<v Speaker 1>that's why I went after it in this book World

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<v Speaker 1>ninety two, because, um, it matters. That's a moment that

0:32:16.640 --> 0:32:21.280
<v Speaker 1>needs to be uh understood, not just known, but understood.

0:32:21.320 --> 0:32:23.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean the idea that Will Chamberlain goes out to

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the land of the Amish, um to this

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<v Speaker 1>utopian chocolate town, a company town in Hershey, and and

0:32:33.160 --> 0:32:36.680
<v Speaker 1>does you know commits really a revolutionary act that makes

0:32:36.720 --> 0:32:42.560
<v Speaker 1>a statement about race. Um is amazing. It's amazing, Garry.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for your time and I really

0:32:44.800 --> 0:32:47.080
<v Speaker 1>really appreciate it. I enjoyed talking with you. Thanks for

0:32:47.120 --> 0:32:53.320
<v Speaker 1>having me on. Thank you here. Yeah. What an interesting look, right,

0:32:53.320 --> 0:32:56.840
<v Speaker 1>and a historical moment that you know of, but until

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