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Speaker 1: This is our life, this is our passion. That's the

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Speaker 2: This is Morning Combatah.

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Speaker 1: Can you feel it? Can you smell it?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 1: That's our right there. Friday, October seventh, You've stumbled in

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Speaker 1: on the best damn combat sports show period. It is

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Speaker 1: the multi award winning Morning Combat. Yes, we are rebels

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Speaker 1: just for kicks. Yeah, hang around though it'll start feeling

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Speaker 1: like nineteen ninety six. Yeah. My name is Brian Campbell,

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Speaker 1: the base guy. Uh, you know, the guy you stay for.

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Speaker 1: But what gets you in the door, it's that brother

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Speaker 1: but he's the best damn non fighting fight analyst in

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Speaker 2: Everyone couldn't be an intro that was solely positive. There's

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Speaker 1: I'm doing great because you know today's type of show, Luke.

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Speaker 1: To be honest with the public, there ain't much going

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Speaker 1: on this weekend. We're gonna get the showtime boxing, we're

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Speaker 1: We're gonna close with Dead Wrong and Happy Hour today.

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Speaker 1: But today's one of those, Luke. Do you remember you

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Speaker 1: and drink hooch Uh. Why don't you guys just play

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Speaker 1: pickup ball for a while. This is a roll out

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Speaker 2: This was this one of the grand Connecticut schools that

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Speaker 1: Yes, do you know Connecticut leads and it is among

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, it's it's you know, it's it's Greenwich County.

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Speaker 2: And you know what he told me. He's like, your

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Speaker 2: Dude, Tuki doesn't know this. Tuki doesn't know this, but

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Speaker 1: This could be saves Northcote all over again if we

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Speaker 1: To we have it, Let's go have it right now.

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Speaker 4: Right now. If they put bo Nickel, something weird happens.

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Speaker 1: Gef uh Luke, that is that's bold extreme. How do

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Speaker 1: Floyd Patterson. He lost. He didn't have much of a

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Speaker 1: career after that. You look back on that as sort

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Speaker 1: of this weird publicity stunt. We do remember Leon Spinks

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Speaker 1: won the heavyweight gold in the Olympics and in his

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Speaker 1: what seventh fight, he upset Muhammad Ali to win the title.

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Speaker 1: My point is there have been times in history when

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Speaker 1: you break glass in case of emergency, or not emergency,

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Speaker 1: in case of excite, because you got somebody that's so

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Speaker 1: damn special in the direction that I want to kind

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Speaker 1: of say, Okay, Damon Martin, are you being crazy? Well, look,

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Speaker 1: Bonnickle is twenty seven, He's not nineteen, right, This isn't

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Speaker 1: seventeen year old Rosas Junior on the Contender Series. And yes,

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Speaker 1: as you pointed out, he has proven. Boy, when the

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Speaker 1: lights are the brightest, this guy delivers. This just feels

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Speaker 1: like insanity. So, Luke, if you're leaning hard into the okay,

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Speaker 1: Damon Martin might be acting a little crazy, but what

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Speaker 1: he's saying is not entirely crazy. If you're the UFC,

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Speaker 1: what's the most aggressive.

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Speaker 5: Move you think they're willing to make with Bonnickel, because

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Speaker 5: it's you know, Jamie's Prickett is a nice introduction here, right,

447
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Speaker 5: but let's say he roes away Jamie Pickett in thirty

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Speaker 5: five seconds.

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Speaker 1: What are we doing next? Is there a chance if

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Speaker 1: Autasnya beats Padata that we're going bonnikeol Autasandia or is

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Speaker 1: that just ridiculous?

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Speaker 2: First of all, as long as Robert Whittaker is not champion,

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Speaker 2: and let's just leave it at that, as long as

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Speaker 2: he's not the champion, nobody gets to a title without

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Speaker 2: going through him, period, period, Like he is the ultimate

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Speaker 2: proving ground. Just that's how it's gonna be. Number one.

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Speaker 2: The second thing I would say is, let's answer your question,

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Speaker 2: because I think it's actually the very the totally most

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Speaker 2: appropriate question, which is, what happens if he just blows

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Speaker 2: the fucking doors off of Jamie Pikett like what he

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Speaker 2: did before, you know, in less than a minute or

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Speaker 2: a couple of minutes, and it's just you know, ten

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Speaker 2: to seven until the stoppage happens that kind of a round.

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Speaker 2: I think you have to give him someone inside the

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Speaker 2: top fifteen I do, I do. If you're running over

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Speaker 2: guys like that that easily and that quickly, you still

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Speaker 2: need someone who can help you answer the question of Okay,

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Speaker 2: but what happens if he gets pushed to the second round?

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Speaker 2: What happens if he gets pushed to the third round?

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Speaker 2: Here's another one. This sounds kind of crazy, but it

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Speaker 2: shouldn't be. What if somebody actually can stop his takedowns?

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Speaker 2: What if somebody rocks him? What if somebody hurts him

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Speaker 2: by the way. Here's another thing too, What if he

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Speaker 2: has a unique susceptibility to body shots. These are all

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Speaker 2: things we just don't have answers to. And I know

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Speaker 2: what folks say is, well, yeah, but if he's this

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Speaker 2: good of an athlete and blah blah blah, you don't

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Speaker 2: have to worry about those questions. Let me explain something

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Speaker 2: to you. Over the course of someone's career, they are audited,

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Speaker 2: they are audited. Everyone has weaknesses, and until you have

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Speaker 2: clear reason to know that A or B is not

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Speaker 2: a particular weak weakness, but C or D might be,

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Speaker 2: you have to take those potential threats and risks seriously,

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Speaker 2: especially if there are only three fights in to their career.

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Speaker 2: So what I think you have to do is you

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Speaker 2: still have to slow play it, but you have to

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Speaker 2: give him somebody ranked thirteen, fourteen, fifteen. I'll pull up

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Speaker 2: the rankings here to see who that might be. But

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Speaker 2: that's where my head is at. What about us.

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Speaker 1: There's a difference, So there's levels to rankings. Right now,

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Speaker 1: Brad Tavars, who has a fight coming up against RoboCop

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Speaker 1: Gregory Rodriguez, he's ranked number fifteen. If Picka gets blown

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Speaker 1: away and they went like the Brad Tavar's direction, you think, Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's that's we're doing it slow, but we're you know,

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Speaker 1: but rapidly. There's levels though to the top fifteen. You

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Speaker 1: got Tavaris at fifteen, but then you got guys in

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Speaker 1: the top ten, Luke, who are former title contenders and killers.

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Speaker 1: I mean, for example, Darren Hill's got a fight coming

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Speaker 1: up against Driscus du plus C. Did I get that right, Luke,

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Speaker 1: Ricus Ricus, Let's say Darren Till won that. I think

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Speaker 1: he's already been tweeting about Bow. He's always tweeting about people.

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Speaker 1: I mean, is Darren Till versus Bow Nickel? And you know,

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Speaker 1: five months from now too much? Too soon? Because here

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Speaker 1: this is the ultimate question, Luke, because it's not about

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Speaker 1: whether we believe. It's about Dana and to some degree,

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Speaker 1: ESPN and Disney. Because if you're gonna fast track somebody

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Speaker 1: like Leon Spinks did, like I kind of was pushing

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Speaker 1: them to do Tremaiyav, there's huge excitement in what we

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Speaker 1: don't know. If you did Atta Sonia versus bow Nickel,

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Speaker 1: the whole thing would be we have no idea how

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Speaker 1: great this guy is. We're gonna find out against the

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Speaker 1: very best. I mean, that's ridiculous in theory, because how

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Speaker 1: are you even gonna prepare in practice? I know he's

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Speaker 1: with att. I know Bow has been taking it slow

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Speaker 1: to do it right and gain the skills he needs.

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Speaker 1: How do you even prepare for an Israel out of sun?

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Speaker 1: You don't. But the intrigue is, we don't know what

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Speaker 1: the hell it's gonna look like. Typically entering a fight,

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Speaker 1: we kind of know what it's gonna look like. It's

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Speaker 1: one of those rare things. Is Darren Till the idea

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Speaker 1: of a Darren Hill like opponent?

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Speaker 4: Next?

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Speaker 1: Is that too far, too much, too soon?

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Speaker 2: Or you skipped over a much two more, actually several

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Speaker 2: more interesting names. Chris Curtis would be an interesting name,

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Speaker 2: first of all, but before Darren Hill in that. If

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Speaker 2: you're going fifteen up, how about Andre Moonize. Right, we

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Speaker 2: keep talking about, Oh, he's got devastating wrestling, he taking

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Speaker 2: whatever he wants down. Yeah, good luck taking him down.

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Speaker 2: Find Out what happens when you take Andre Mooneese. Moone's

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Speaker 2: on the ground, has a nasty ground game and a

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Speaker 2: very prolific guard on top of it. That is something

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Speaker 2: that would be very difficult.

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Speaker 1: By mentioning munez Er Curtis both very good fighters. Not

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Speaker 1: not here to disrespect them? Is there's not a ton

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Speaker 1: of sex factor to match with Bold because you'd be

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Speaker 1: doing an experiment. You're basically taking a guy who's got

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Speaker 1: no experience and throwing him to the wolves. Didn't you

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Speaker 1: want to throw it to a wolf? That I mean,

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Speaker 1: I mean, say what you will about Darren till the

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Speaker 1: guy gets you to to take notice of his fights.

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Speaker 1: So there is a responsibility to the promoters if they're

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Speaker 1: going to fast track him, and boy, doesn't seem like

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Speaker 1: they are to really make each step up a big event.

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Speaker 1: Luke bo Nickel versus Mr Knees.

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Speaker 2: Not a not a big event, okay, but dude, bo

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Speaker 2: Nickel versus Jamie Pickett is not a big event. No, well,

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Speaker 2: this is.

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Speaker 1: This is debut, this is day one, this is job one.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Did you not? Did you? There's a grappling match, I

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Speaker 2: think from I think it's a couple of years old.

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Speaker 2: I'm not I have to go back and look exactly

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Speaker 2: when it happened. Gordon Ryan had a grappling match again

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Speaker 2: submission grappling, so not wrestling against bon Nickel. He triangled

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Speaker 2: bow Nickel quickly, you know. And now, of course that's

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Speaker 2: Gordon Ryan. He's insanely good. I'm just sort of pointing

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Speaker 2: out I have seen I have seen the predator bleed,

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Speaker 2: you know, and this is my other point too, BC.

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Speaker 2: It's like, dude, here's the reality about where bon Nicchol is. Again,

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Speaker 2: everything he has shown has just been magic. We've never

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Speaker 2: even seen him take a punch to the face. Yes, right, right,

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Speaker 2: We've never even seen him take a punch to the face.

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Speaker 2: Brat Tavares has very good takedown defense and obviously, you know,

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Speaker 2: prefers to slug it out trains with a good camp,

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Speaker 2: highly experienced. Let's see how he looks against a guy

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Speaker 2: like that before we make proclamations about how poor we

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Speaker 2: think is his takedown defenses.

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Speaker 1: You know, obvious other comparison would be Vasili Lomachenko, who

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Speaker 1: wanted to fight for a world title in his pro

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Speaker 1: debut after winning two Olympic gold medals. Fought in his

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Speaker 1: second fight, lost a disputed decision to Orlando Solido, but

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Speaker 1: it didn't break him, Luke. He came back and won

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Speaker 1: a world title against Gary unbeating Gary Russell Junior in

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Speaker 1: the in the next fight. So there are special guys

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Speaker 1: where Look, there is a scenario, Luke, where you could

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Speaker 1: do something crazy like throw bow Nickel to Atasnia and

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Speaker 1: he loses shows shows well and gross from it, there

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Speaker 1: is that potential, but I don't know. I mean, this

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Speaker 1: is it's I didn't expect the hype, even though he's

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Speaker 1: been nothing short of dynamic, right, nothing short of perfection.

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Speaker 1: I did not expect the hype combination of people like

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Speaker 1: David Martin making that bold of a claim on that

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Speaker 1: type of platform, or even bow himself being this aggressive

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Speaker 1: and coming after Tramayev. I mean, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: people look at you know, some people will criticize us

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Speaker 1: of suddenly downgrading Tamayev because of one time missing weight,

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Speaker 1: but there's a lot of extenuating, weird circumstances. Would it

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Speaker 1: surprise you, Luke? Okay, maybe maybe we should shoff the

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Speaker 1: outa signy conversation for a second. How surprised would you

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Speaker 1: be if Hamsat Tramayah versus Bo Nickel was a pay

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Speaker 1: per view UFC main event in the first six months

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Speaker 1: of next year. Because that's that's an aggressive move. It's

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Speaker 1: short of the title, but that's an aggressive damn move, right, Okay, Let's.

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Speaker 2: Let's let's punt one more month because July would be

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Speaker 2: International Fight Week. So by July International Fight Week, having

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Speaker 2: a Nickel versus chamayav main event.

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Speaker 1: Well, that would be a co Maine if you did

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Speaker 1: at ifw week, you know it would be Luke.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean not necessarily. There's all kinds of ways

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Speaker 2: that could be. But I know what you're saying. But Okay,

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Speaker 2: how surprised would I be. I'd be surprised. I'd be surprised.

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Speaker 2: I put that at a at a fairly significant surprise factor.

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't rule it out. I mean, that's unlikely. Listen to

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Speaker 2: what I'm saying, it's unlikely. But because here's the other

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Speaker 2: part too. We talked about ed Ruth. How good was

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Speaker 2: ed Ruth? Ed Ruth is again an exceptional wrestler in college,

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Speaker 2: and he hasn't been exactly you know, he's done well

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Speaker 2: in MMA.

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Speaker 1: Whether he should be a wrestler or a striker. Look,

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Speaker 1: he can't figure it out, it seems.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean lost to Grayson Neimi Arnieman, who's a

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Speaker 2: good fighter too as well. Aren't even Grayson? What am

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Speaker 2: I saying? Even Grace the department store Neiman's uh demen Gracie.

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Speaker 2: But the point I'm trying to make here is he hasn't.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you thought, oh my god, it must

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Speaker 2: be a corresponding thing. If you're that good in college,

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Speaker 2: you will be this good in mm A. It's not

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Speaker 2: necessarily one to one thing. The only thing I would

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Speaker 2: point out about bon Nickel is the the the the

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Speaker 2: sophistication of his development is happening so fast that that's

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Speaker 2: what gives me confidence. Unbothered by the lights. He looks

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Speaker 2: in certain ways like he's been doing this for a

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Speaker 2: very long time, solid fundamentals, but he's just untested against

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Speaker 2: more dynamic, resisting opponents. And so for that reason you

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Speaker 2: just have to, you know, slow the roll a little bit.

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Speaker 2: But like you know, I'll say this, here's another question

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Speaker 2: for you BC. Let me spin it back. How likely

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Speaker 2: is it bo Nickel could fight for a title at

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Speaker 2: some point in twenty twenty three?

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Speaker 1: Well, you know what might add to that, Luke is Look,

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Speaker 1: I've been on here saying all along that if out

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Speaker 1: of Soignia beats Pereira, excuse me, Padata, you know Alex

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Speaker 1: Padata from Glory of Kickboxing, if he beats him at

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Speaker 1: an NYCMSG, you know, I don't see him waiting around because,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, is Hams at a real midleway. I

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Speaker 1: still feel like we don't know that. You know, it

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Speaker 1: is Toms that's still going after the welterweight title. I

639
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: still feel like we don't know that. I didn't see

640
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: an immediate another person who deserves it, who's knocking on

641
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: that door. He beat Whitak or twice. Whether I agree

642
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: with the judges or not, right, I think that the

643
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: move for Adasania, if he wins this, or even to

644
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: some degree if he loses it without the need for

645
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: an immediate rebatch, is to go to two o five.

646
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: But could luke this This changes this question you asked

647
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: if Chimayah ends up being a career middleweight after this,

648
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: and if bo Nickel blows through Picket in December, which

649
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: would mean they can bring him back quickly because they're

650
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: you know, you know, didn't accrue damage. And then let's

651
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: say in like you know, March goes in there against

652
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: a Brad Tavars a Curtis, I mean even at Darren

653
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: Till to be fair and and and wins. Forget about

654
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: thirty seconds, but wins. Dude, the hype may be high

655
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: enough where you might not be able to leave him

656
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: out of the title picture. So under my scenario of Adasania,

657
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: let's say he beats Podta and then goes to two

658
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: o five. Now you've got an Now you've got the

659
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: opportunity for a vacant title Luke. And in my opinion,

660
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: Robert Whittaker has claimed the other half of that vacant

661
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: title shot. But who does he fight? I mean, it's

662
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: gonna get really interesting. But what would fuel it getting

663
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: crazy interesting is whether ESPN, Dana Disney, Whoever's calling shots

664
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: here in the larger picture, do they look at bon

665
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: Nickel as the same marketing force that that Hamzat became

666
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: at the recent peak of his hype? Do you look

667
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: at bon Nicol Luke as the type of person I mean, look,

668
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: let's be fair, we kind of laughed when Brendan Schopp

669
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: called him the great White Hope. It's not really applicable,

670
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: but maybe the maybe.

671
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 2: Not really a compliment, that's the other part.

672
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, But but is he trying to say that, you know,

673
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: you've got this like middle America, cool looking white guy

674
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: with a with the red hair and and I mean,

675
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: is that a guy that you think, if he keeps

676
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: blowing people away, is gonna have Hamzat level hype in

677
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: six months? What do you think?

678
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, yes, so people forget this. I got to

679
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 2: ask this question on my live chat maybe a few

680
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 2: weeks to go, and there was a point I was

681
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 2: trying to make about, like, you know, what kind of

682
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 2: athlete the UFC wants to favor and present to the public.

683
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 2: Folks may forget this post ultimate Fighter the UFC, And understandably,

684
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 2: I don't say this in a pejorative way, whatsoever, you

685
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 2: can understand from a marketing angle why you would want

686
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 2: to do this. They made a really strong effort to

687
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 2: kind of distance themselves from the more aggressive, potentially unsavory

688
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 2: elements around let's say MMA more generally cage fighting is

689
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 2: what it was called at the time anyway, So in

690
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 2: other words, they would promote the fact that rich Franklin

691
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 2: was a math teacher before he got into MMA, that

692
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 2: Chuck Lidell might have the mohawk, but he has an

693
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 2: accounting degree. And they really promoted Saint Pierre a lot.

694
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 2: Why Saint Pierre was not wearing T shirts and jeans suppressors,

695
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 2: he was wearing suits. He presented himself as the kind

696
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 2: of athlete that you would more accustomed to be seeing

697
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 2: in the kind of buttoned up, quite literally polished other

698
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 2: more professional sports, and they really needed a guy like

699
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 2: that at that time. Saint Pierre wasn't just very good

700
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 2: for the area that era, era that he competed in,

701
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 2: he was the kind of prototype that the UFC needed

702
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 2: to give as a public facing fighter that they could

703
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 2: trot out and the public could be like, oh, these

704
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 2: guys aren't all complete savage and deranged and whatever else.

705
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 2: And of course the truth is obviously more complex than that.

706
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,800
Speaker 2: Now we're in a somewhat different era. In fact, you

707
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 2: know what I would say is the UFC will one

708
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 2: hundred percent, no doubt about it. They will use the

709
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 2: fact that this guy went to Penn State and did

710
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 2: really well there. But you know, people kind of respond

711
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 2: to the story of college athletes with a little bit

712
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 2: more sympathy than they would even sometimes the hard scrabble

713
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 2: stories of guys from the street. Whether that's fair or not.

714
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 2: It's an easy sell to the public and the fact

715
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 2: that he achieved at such a high level makes that

716
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,760
Speaker 2: even easier. Plus, you gotta remember, if you're bon Nickel,

717
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 2: you've been talking to cameras. By the way, he won

718
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 2: three state titles in high school as well. He's been

719
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 2: talking to cameras for a long time. He's microphones have

720
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 2: been in his face for a long time. He's very

721
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 2: at ease with it. So what I would say is

722
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 2: he's got a lot of the ingredient that are in

723
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 2: place to make that work. The only missing piece was that.

724
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 2: Remember Ronda, for example, could talk it up a little bit.

725
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 2: She had a bit of a big mouth, kind of

726
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 2: an edgy sort of competitor's mentality to her. You've seen

727
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 2: flashes of that with bo. I think he'd have to

728
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,479
Speaker 2: dial that up a little bit. But assuming he could

729
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 2: do that, could he be a big star in the

730
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 2: UFC and again or where winning is the common denominator. Yeah, dude,

731
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 2: I think he really really could be. Yes, what was

732
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 2: his Olympic outcome? Look, you named the credential, so he wrestled.

733
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 2: He wrestled for a world team and didn't make it.

734
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,439
Speaker 2: Now he got beaten by David Taylor. David Taylor also

735
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 2: wrestled at Penn State. I think the match was competitive.

736
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 2: I'd have to go back in double check, but David

737
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 2: Taylor is an Olympic and world champion, like we're talking about. Like,

738
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 2: for example, when I covered wrestling more closely, which was

739
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 2: about ten years ago here at American University, I saw

740
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 2: the very first matchup in college between Kyle Dake and

741
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 2: David Taylor. They were considered to be the two powerhouses,

742
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,720
Speaker 2: Penn State and Cornell where the two colleges that they represented.

743
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 2: They wrestled at an NWCA event here in Washington, d C.

744
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 2: And I went and watched it. It was a big,

745
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 2: big deal. That was kind of the era that came up,

746
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 2: and No Date ended up being a little bit better

747
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 2: than Taylor kind of overall and certainly during that era.

748
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 2: But Taylor took off on the freestyle circuit eventually, and

749
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 2: you know, you can look at the success he's had

750
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 2: since then. So he wasn't able to get past truly

751
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 2: one of the best wrestlers in American history. Okay, no

752
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 2: big deal there, but I think I don't know if

753
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 2: his heart was in it or he just always had

754
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 2: his sights on MMA. I don't I don't know exactly

755
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 2: what derailed him there, but it's better for us because

756
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 2: he looks like he's a fucking monster, all right.

757
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: I wanted to get that cleared because I think you're

758
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: right on your you know, sort of comparison there that

759
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: it's kind of what an ESPN Disney would be looking for.

760
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 1: You know, this clean cut looking American hero that can

761
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: come from the royalty of you know, amateur wrestling at

762
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: the highest level and make that transition and clean up

763
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: cage fight in a little But Luke, isn't there potential

764
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: royalty wearing a larger crown than even the one bow

765
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: Nickel brought into MMA? And that name is Gable Stevenson

766
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: fresh off Steve Steveson, Steve Well Stevenson. I mean it's

767
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 1: the same thing as Steveson, Luke. I mean it's really

768
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: the same thing. How am I pronouncing it wrong?

769
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 2: I don't think it's I don't think there's an extra syllable.

770
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 2: I think it's just Steveson.

771
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: Not sorry either way. We know that Gable was finishing

772
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,399
Speaker 1: out his final year with Minnesota on the amateur level

773
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 1: after signing the deal with WWE. There was news yesterday

774
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: from Mike Coppinger of ESPN that Gable is back training

775
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: full time at the ww Performance Center in Orlando after

776
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: undergoing surgery for a rare heart condition. He had an

777
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,919
Speaker 1: ablation last month and now he's one hundred percent healthy

778
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: and pushing the main roster there Luke part of Gable

779
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: signing with wwe did leave the door open, you know

780
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: of like maybe one day coming over to MMA, and

781
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: you'd have to believe if he did, it would be

782
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: something big. Is that the only guy who could be

783
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: in this Bow Nickel spot with with more with with

784
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: you know, and even with even bigger klout in in

785
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: resume for.

786
00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 2: For several reasons. One, Gable Steveson's a showman already, right,

787
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 2: so you've already seen flashes of like his swag that

788
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 2: he shows and he's good on the microphone and he

789
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 2: likes to show up for the cameras. He does you know,

790
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 2: flips and everything on the mat. So he's already got

791
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 2: that a little bit more natural too. He doesn't quite

792
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,720
Speaker 2: have the same resume as Bow. He has two national titles,

793
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 2: but in the freestyle circuit he's got a gold medal

794
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 2: in the Pan American Games and obviously he got a

795
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 2: gold medal in fucking Tokyo at the ele.

796
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: One second with one second left blood, you.

797
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 2: Know, just an unbelievable turn of events that this guy

798
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 2: has had. So that's two factors. The third factor would

799
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 2: be he's at heavyweight, which is a much you know,

800
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 2: middleweight is not your toughest division, but heavyweight definitely. If

801
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 2: you're a dynamic athlete in the sort of way that

802
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 2: Gable Steveson is, he should have. You know, again, we'll see,

803
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 2: but he should have a lot of success in that department.

804
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of wind at the back. So

805
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 2: to speak of Steveson that, I think Bonnickel has a

806
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 2: lot of that too. Maybe not quite as much, but

807
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 2: you know, we'll have to see how things go.

808
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, Bonnicle seemingly though far way farther ahead in terms

809
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: of his MMA development. I mean, look, I'm not gonna,

810
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: you know, take away what he's done so far in

811
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: the very short sample size. He's been dynamic. I gotta say,

812
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: slow your role on the David Martin Lovell, even though

813
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: I respect the aggressive call out, but you know the proof, Luke,

814
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 1: Ultimately it'll be it'll be in the putting. You know that, Luke.

815
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 2: Okay, you know it will be in the putting.

816
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 1: Floyd was right, it always is, you know. Bill Cosby

817
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: used to tout putting a lot putting pops, Luke. Uh yeah,

818
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: all right, let's go to topic number two. Look, it's

819
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: our weekend boxing preview. Although it's kind of falling apart.

820
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: What we do know will happen is Saturday night, ten

821
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 1: pm Eastern, a Showtime Championship Boxing triple header. Carson, California

822
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: is the backdrop. Why does that matter? Because you can

823
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 1: call it Dignity Health Sports Park, you can call it

824
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: the Home Depot Center, stub Hub, the war Grounds, the

825
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: punch Bowl, the Dan of Sin, you can call it

826
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,959
Speaker 1: the old Whohouse. Luke down by the river. They bang

827
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: inside this ring here in Sebastian Fundora, unbeaten, will defend

828
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 1: his interim WBC Junior Middleweight title one fifty four against

829
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:10,879
Speaker 1: a red hot rising Carlos Ocampo. Uh luke. Let's start

830
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: right here. It's a tripleheader. You and I will be

831
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: calling the undercard seven thirty pm Eastern on YouTube. But

832
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,399
Speaker 1: let's stay with the main event. If somebody said, who

833
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: the hell is Sebastian Fondora, how would you describe it

834
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 1: to non boxing fans?

835
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 2: A nerdy, praying mantis. Guys, He's six foot six. He

836
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 2: has a seven inch see what am I saying? Seven

837
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,479
Speaker 2: inch reach? Avantge No. Eighty he has a seven seven

838
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 2: said seven inch reach avantge. I don't know what the

839
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 2: reach advantage is here with Ocampo.

840
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: He has a long reached than George Foreman Luke seven

841
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: foot reach, seven feet he's got on his reach.

842
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 2: You can't believe this guy. And he fights basically at

843
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 2: the more or less at the equivalent of MMA's lightweight division.

844
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 2: So just imagine that you got a six foot six

845
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 2: guy in there, and I've seen, like you remember the

846
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 2: late Corey Hill I think was six ' four, which is,

847
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 2: you know, pretty tall, still bigger than that, a giant frame.

848
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 2: And that's not even the craziest part. The craziest part

849
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 2: is that he likes to fight on the inside. That's

850
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,760
Speaker 2: the craziest part. He can use his reach at times.

851
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 2: Certainly that's the thing that he'll do in certain ways,

852
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 2: but not really, that's not really the way he fights.

853
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 2: Once the fight gets going, and you might say, well that,

854
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 2: you know, once he runs into someone really, really good,

855
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 2: it's all gonna come apart, folks. He just fought Ericson Lubin,

856
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 2: who i BC thought was gonna win. I thought Ericson

857
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 2: Lubin was gonna win, and oh camp you know, Campo

858
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 2: Fundora blew up his face. They had to stop the

859
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 2: fight after what round seventh or eighth round, I can't

860
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 2: remember anymore.

861
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 1: They both got knocked down too.

862
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 2: It was.

863
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: It's a Fight of the Year contender, without question.

864
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 2: So he has an exciting style that doesn't match his

865
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,919
Speaker 2: body type, and his body type doesn't match the weight

866
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 2: class at all. And it's all beginning to end. And

867
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 2: he's kind of like Mikey Mussamechi like he's kind of

868
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 2: a nerd dude as well in his private life. You

869
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,320
Speaker 2: just can't believe that this guy fights the way he

870
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 2: does and looks the way he does. But he does.

871
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 2: And here's the last kicker BC. He's undefeated. He's undefeated.

872
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 2: This should be fun.

873
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: He's got one draw against Jamonte Clark, who at one

874
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: point was a rising prospect in the US amateur scene.

875
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: He has passed every single test out boxing Sergio Garcia,

876
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: and obviously this ericson Lubin fight in April. To be fair, Luke,

877
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: let's be fair about what we thought about Fondora. He's

878
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: an oddity, he's an attraction. But you look at how

879
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got legs as skinny as mind. Luke.

880
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 1: We've always said the first time he fights a puncher,

881
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: he's gonna get folded. That puncher was Ericson Lubin. Fondora

882
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: did take a knee at one point from accumulated damage.

883
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: But what we learned in this fight, which which gave him,

884
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: you know, a title shot. Basically, we'll get to that

885
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: in a second. We learn that he's actually the real deal.

886
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:59,240
Speaker 1: He's got a backbone, a chin, he can stand in trade,

887
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 1: He's got the type of power to finish you. This

888
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: became a brutal fight, and like his All action brawl

889
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: went over Jorge Kota a few years ago, he was

890
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: the last man standing. So what do we do now?

891
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: We got to take him seriously as a legit junior

892
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: middleweight title contender. The overall title picture at the moment,

893
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: of course, is Jamel Charlo has all four world titles.

894
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: He knocked out Brian Costanio in their rematch. There's rumors

895
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 1: that Charlo is headed in the direction of Tim Zu

896
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 1: for his title defense around January. Nothing official as of now. Fondora,

897
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: I gotta give him credit. He's got a mandatory shot

898
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: at the belt, yet wants to defend this interim title

899
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: and stay busy. They gave him Carlos Ocampo. We'll get

900
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: to him in a second. But I had a chance

901
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: to catch up with Sebastian Fondora and right away I'm like, look,

902
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 1: you showed us something in this Ericson Lubin fight that

903
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: we didn't think was in there. Let's get his reaction.

904
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 2: I think.

905
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 3: So.

906
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 2: I was enjoying every single round. You know, that was

907
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 2: a great fight.

908
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure I felt as if I was a

909
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 3: fan from watching outside inside the rings. So you know,

910
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 3: I enjoyed the fight a lot. I knew it was

911
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 3: gonna be a good fight, and uh, I'm glad that

912
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 3: the fans enjoyed it.

913
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: You know, when you look back at what Luban brought

914
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: to the table, he was able to hurt you. How

915
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: close do you think you were to being in some

916
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: serious trouble in that foot? Serious trouble? No, I don't think.

917
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 3: So I took that knee, I was like, you know what,

918
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 3: I feel like, I don't have to get hit like

919
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 3: that again. Let's be SmartLess take that knee, and I

920
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 3: came back up. I felt like I was talking to

921
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 3: my father about that yesterday actually too. And if anything,

922
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 3: I just need that little breather. I need that little breather.

923
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 3: I got back up and I finished the job.

924
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,800
Speaker 2: I mean, it looks like your paper boy, Luke, he

925
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 2: took he took the Koto knee.

926
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: Huh. He took the effectively this time. Yeah, yeah, he

927
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: actually used it to his advantage right there.

928
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, he doesn't like everything about him doesn't make sense.

929
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 2: And yet, and yet, as I mentioned, undefeated, and there's

930
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 2: the other porto. I want to be clear, you saw

931
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 2: the highlights there, not every five exactly like that, but

932
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 2: you see basically the way he fights. This dude doesn't run.

933
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 2: He doesn't run. He fights. He you see, I would

934
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 2: say he fights tall a little bit because he's very

935
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 2: good at you know, going for for example, uppercuts you

936
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 2: saw in lubin there, So he's good about leveraging his

937
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,760
Speaker 2: heights in that way. But in general, like, nothing about

938
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 2: the way he looks in the weight class tells you

939
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 2: anything about his fight style. You just got to watch

940
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 2: it on tape and see for yourself.

941
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 1: Well, look, I asked him the obvious question we're all thinking.

942
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: I mean, not only does he dunk? Does he win

943
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: mill dunk? I mean is he going through the legs? Look?

944
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 1: He was like, not only do I not dunk? I

945
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: can't even dribble a basketball I've tried. I think he

946
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: tried to play hoops in school and it just wasn't

947
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: working out. Why because born in Florida, largely raised in

948
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: the Coachella Valley of California. His father had one pro

949
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: fight and was an X boxer, and look, he raised

950
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: all six of their kids in that boxing gym. More

951
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: or less. His older brother was a twelve and zero

952
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: fighter who retired five years ago. His younger sister, Gabrielle,

953
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: is eight and oh after turning pro last year. I

954
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: believe in Luke, she'll be on the three fight card

955
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,760
Speaker 1: that you and I are calling seven thirty pm Eastern

956
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: on the prelims on Saturday. It's a fighting family. And

957
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 1: I know what you're saying. Hey, with that length, with

958
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 1: that size, why the hell are you not jabbing from

959
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 1: the outside. Luke, let's go to the final bit of

960
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: sound we have on him. I asked him basically that

961
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 1: same thing, and this is who he is, this is

962
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 1: what he does.

963
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 2: No, not really actually an amateur.

964
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 3: I remember boxing a lot more, but as these guys

965
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 3: got stronger, I needed to get stronger. I needed to

966
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 3: get better on my inside and game piece as they

967
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 3: got stronger, they would be able to walk me walk

968
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 3: inside a little bit easier. So I just figured, instead

969
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 3: of running away from that, let's invite it. Let's learn

970
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 3: the game of the inside game, and let's get better

971
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 3: at it. And that's what I did.

972
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: You'd be headlining. So there it is, Luke. And if

973
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: you're saying, look what do we got here? Showcase fight

974
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: is stay busy for a next title shot. Here's the

975
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 1: theon Carlos O Campo from Mexico. Twenty eighteen, he had

976
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: a mandatory shot at Errol Spence's welterweight title.

977
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, didn't go his way.

978
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: They went to the Cowboys training facility. It was you know,

979
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones was there, was this big showcase for local

980
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: boys Spence and dude, he punched a hole in Olcampo.

981
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: He stopped him to the body in round one. Luke,

982
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: I don't think any of us have been following Ocampo's

983
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: story since then in twenty eighteen, but you know what

984
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: he's done. He moved up to the one hundred and

985
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: fifty four pounded division after the loss, and he's twelve

986
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 1: and oh with nine KOs since that fight. Has he

987
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: beaten world beaters? Not necessarily, but he's beaten the right

988
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: guys to climb the rankings and get into this position.

989
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,240
Speaker 1: I think at the end of the day, as Fondora

990
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 1: told me himself, you got two Mexican fighters in here.

991
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: You're doing it at the damn war grounds. Whoever comes

992
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: out on top. I feel like we're gonna see action.

993
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: I feel like we're gonna see a war on Saturday.

994
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: So I'm fired up about this.

995
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, this one's I mean, listen, you know, I suspect

996
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 2: Fundora should win, and I suspect he'll win. I'll say

997
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 2: inside the distance. I'll say inside the distance. I believe that.

998
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 2: But there's just no way by round two they're not

999
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 2: absolutely slugging it out right in front of each other.

1000
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 2: That is really what you're gonna get here. So it

1001
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 2: should be a ton of fun.

1002
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: Ten pm Eastern. The reminder tripleheader Showtime Championship Boxing. You

1003
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 1: can get the Showtime thirty three days as we talked about,

1004
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: but don't forget to check out LTBC seven thirty pm

1005
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: on the Showtime Sports YouTube channel. It's the Countdown show.

1006
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: We got three fights and just a little teaser here.

1007
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: As I mentioned, Gabriella Fondora Sebastian younger sister is in

1008
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: the opening bout and in the featured about Luke mean

1009
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: machine is back. Let me get this right, because he's

1010
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: my Lithuanian brethren, Edjudice Kaviolawskis and if you forgot that name.

1011
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 1: Just a couple of years back he fought Terrence Crawford

1012
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: for the welterweight title, dropped Crawford before being stopped himself late.

1013
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,240
Speaker 1: So you know we're gonna have fun Luke on Saturday.

1014
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 3: You and I.

1015
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 2: Right, I can't tell from the graphic because my picture

1016
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 2: is not clear, but it looks like, oh Campo has

1017
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 2: the Lloyd Christmas haircut? Is that true?

1018
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: So kick his ass? Sea Bass just the same, all right,

1019
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: Sea Bass?

1020
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 2: Luke.

1021
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 1: The other bit of boxing was supposed to go down

1022
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: Saturday and London de Zonne sold out. This is a

1023
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,879
Speaker 1: big deal in the UK. It was Chris you Bank

1024
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:26,800
Speaker 1: Junior versus Connor Ben. It was supposed to be a

1025
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty seven pound unique catchweight about bad blood.

1026
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,760
Speaker 1: Both of their fathers. Of course, Chris you Bank Senior

1027
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 1: Nigel Ben famously fought twice. It's a massive deal in

1028
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: the UK until Connor Ben failed a drug test, but

1029
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:46,439
Speaker 1: it was for a female. What hormonal thing, Luke?

1030
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 2: That that that'sh steric clomophine, clomothine.

1031
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, so here's the deal on this. We talked about

1032
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: this the other day. Both promoters, Frank Warren on one side,

1033
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 1: Eddie Hearn on the other for Connor Ben, tried to

1034
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: push the fight through. You heard a lot people saying, boy,

1035
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 1: is that hypocritical because there's a video out there. Eddi

1036
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: Hearn just i think two years ago criticizing the opposite

1037
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: promoter in a fight for the same thing, saying why

1038
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: do we have drug tests if we fail them and

1039
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: we act like it doesn't matter. But in this case, Luke,

1040
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: do you give any credence in the argument of Eddie Hearn.

1041
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 1: Ben was caught on a Vada test that both fighters

1042
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 1: pushed for to be part of this build, and they

1043
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: paid for, i think, on their own. The official testing

1044
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,919
Speaker 1: for the fight, though, was done under typical British board

1045
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 1: of control, and both fighters passed those tests. Even though

1046
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: it seems Ben has failed both samples in the Vada test.

1047
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: Isn't Vada known as being the most recutable? How do

1048
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: you have a stance here if you're already heard in company.

1049
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 2: Well, so here's one thing you have to understand. I mean,

1050
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 2: there might be a legal argument that Hearn could make

1051
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 2: that I realize he has a band in the efforts,

1052
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 2: but there is a legal argument he can make about

1053
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,280
Speaker 2: like to what extent any finding in Vada is binding

1054
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 2: ultimately in terms of derailing the fight, or what the

1055
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 2: contracts might say or something like that. In other words,

1056
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 2: that they did this test, but without the kind of

1057
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 2: backing of any kind of regulatory authority, it's unclear about

1058
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 2: what it's supposed to mean. And that clip you're talking about,

1059
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 2: I think you referenced it. That was when Oscar Valdez

1060
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Speaker 2: had the issue, and that of course Valdez works for

1061
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 2: a rival promoter, and so Eddie Hearn had a very

1062
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 2: different tune. One thing I would just say about this,

1063
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 2: and I know folks are gonna I'll say what they'll say,

1064
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 2: But you have to understand something. There is a natural

1065
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:36,280
Speaker 2: and inherent source of friction. In fact, in many ways

1066
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 2: diametrically opposed between what the rights of athletes are and

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00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 2: what anti doping demands. They are inherently in conflict because

1068
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 2: total anti doping, as the way in which the zelos

1069
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 2: who love it prescribe it would require, for example, among

1070
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 2: many other things, it would require near total invasion of

1071
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 2: privacy of the athlete. Right. So if you actually say

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00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 2: I care about the rights of athletes and I care

1073
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 2: about making sure that they have protections, you are automatically

1074
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,240
Speaker 2: saying on some level that means we have to taper

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00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 2: back an idealized version of what antidoping is. Right. If

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00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 2: someone actually has contractual rights, if they have legal rights,

1077
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 2: and they are entitled to due process and all of

1078
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 2: these things, that naturally is going to get in the

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00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 2: way of what antidoping does. People who love antidoping will

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00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 2: tell you that's not true. It is categorically true. It

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00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 2: is a matter of factly true. It's why, for example,

1082
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,839
Speaker 2: folks bemoan in certain cases that the NFL, let's say,

1083
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,800
Speaker 2: doesn't have super strong antidoping. But the reason why is

1084
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:41,399
Speaker 2: because they have a union. Those players are actually employees

1085
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 2: of the team. They have a union, and that union

1086
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 2: puts rules into effect that protects their rights and interests.

1087
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 2: That naturally makes whatever they can do at antidoping somewhat less.

1088
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 2: So at some point you just have to reconcile the

1089
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 2: reality that you cannot have a athlete who has full

1090
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 2: representation of their rights and interests and also have the

1091
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 2: kind of anti doping that everyone who thinks anti doping

1092
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 2: is great prescribes. There will always be a trade off

1093
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 2: there as a consequence. So we will see what the

1094
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 2: long term effect of this is and to what extent

1095
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 2: Connor Ben can find some kind of legal avenue to

1096
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 2: extricate himself from this mess. But I would just say

1097
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 2: always keep in mind they are at odds. They don't

1098
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 2: necessarily work in conjunction.

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Speaker 1: It's I'm kind of happy in a weird way that

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00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 1: it's not going off because there were a lot of

1101
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: issues tied to this bow. I mean, look, on the surface,

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00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: it's creative matchmaking given their backstory, But Connor Ben is

1103
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: a welterweight who's gonna be moving up to not only

1104
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 1: fifty four, but up to the fifty seven catchweight. And

1105
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: Chris Ubank Junior has had his greatest success, you can

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00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 1: argue at super middleweight, although he's been at middleweight the

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00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 1: last few fights. He would have to come down to

1108
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 1: one fifty seven. His dad, christ you Bank Senior has

1109
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 1: been just as open in the media the last few

1110
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 1: weeks saying I don't think my son should do this

1111
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: fight cutting down in weight. It's gonna take too much

1112
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 1: out of him. I think even on the bench side,

1113
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 1: there was some you know, is this fight going to

1114
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 1: fall apart? So with you, I don't want to see

1115
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 1: it go on after a failed drug test. I mean,

1116
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 1: the Oscar Valdez situation you reminded me of is ridiculous. Heck,

1117
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: Eric Morales, I always reference it failing that you saw

1118
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:11,959
Speaker 1: a test and then everybody going, we don't care any thought,

1119
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 1: you know, Danny Garcia. Anyway, it was on Showtime, by

1120
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: the way, twenty twelve, but that didn't even smell great

1121
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 1: to me in that moment. This felt like another total

1122
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: that's boxing type of story this week, like, oh yeah,

1123
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 1: he outright failed a VADA test, no less, but we're

1124
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,879
Speaker 1: gonna do it anyway. That's boxing. You know what, Sometimes Luke,

1125
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: you gotta look you your favorite in the face and

1126
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: say f boxing.

1127
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, No, not really, I wouldn't say f boxing.

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00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:36,800
Speaker 2: I do want to make one larger point here that

1129
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 2: I think is worth articulating, and then that's all I

1130
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 2: really have to say on it, which is I saw

1131
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 2: people saying Connor Ben is the only one responsible here,

1132
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:51,839
Speaker 2: like he is the sole responsible party in this entire mess,

1133
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 2: and that just seems to me totally ludicrous. Right. Look,

1134
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 2: Connor Ben is the one that failed the drug test,

1135
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 2: and so for that reason he what I would call,

1136
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 2: you know, unique responsibility, right he is. He certainly occupies

1137
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,959
Speaker 2: a space very much unlike everyone else. But you must

1138
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 2: look the sport in the face here for just a second.

1139
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 2: The larger permission structure by which this guy operates where

1140
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 2: he can fail a test, and the fans were not

1141
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 2: going to boycott the for example, the advertisers were not

1142
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,879
Speaker 2: going to pull out, the TV networks were not going

1143
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 2: to not air it, you know, the live gate attendance.

1144
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 2: They were absolutely going to show up. The opponent was

1145
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 2: going to show up. The promoter didn't care. What you

1146
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 2: must realize is that, yes, Ben bears some responsibility unlike

1147
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 2: all the other parties here, but he is working inside

1148
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 2: of a permission structure that absolutely not merely accepts what

1149
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 2: he does, but incentivizes it. The idea that he is

1150
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 2: the only party responsible for the mess, just as a

1151
00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 2: totally disingenuous way of a essying how the sport actually

1152
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,800
Speaker 2: views what connor Ben did and what to think about it.

1153
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 2: They give, if not outright support, certainly actually they did that,

1154
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,359
Speaker 2: but even when the cases where they didn't say anything,

1155
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 2: like for example, the broadcasters that are locally in the

1156
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,399
Speaker 2: United Kingdom, they didn't pull out from the fire after

1157
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 2: he watched the weight or not the way excuse me,

1158
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 2: the the drug test. They give tacit permission. There's this

1159
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 2: entire permission structure in boxing that not only accepts it

1160
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 2: but promotes it. And I just want to be very

1161
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 2: clear here. You can be especially mad at connor Ben

1162
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 2: for what he did, because if you agree to a

1163
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 2: certain set of rules, you must obey them. But the

1164
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 2: idea that he is solely responsible for this entire mess

1165
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 2: is a fucking joke and it's completely dishonest in the

1166
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 2: way in which sport actually operates.

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Speaker 1: I gotta kind of say that, although I'm starting to

1168
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: get influenced by you to the idea of just eff

1169
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 1: I remember what Nigel Collins do you mean? You know him,

1170
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame boxing.

1171
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 2: Writer Luke Yes, I follow him on Twitter.

1172
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Speaker 1: He's still kind of I mean a led a legend.

1173
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 4: Uh.

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00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: You know, I got to edit some of his pieces

1175
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: when I worked at ESPN, and it was a joy.

1176
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: He's such a brilliant and talented guy. You know, he

1177
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 1: had come out with that column I don't know, six

1178
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 1: seven years ago of you know what, this is a

1179
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 1: dog and pony show. Just let him take and fight.

1180
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 1: I know sometimes you've said that, and look, I'll say

1181
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: in general, I'm not gonna be a naive. I believe ever,

1182
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 1: you know more more than not are using. I believe

1183
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 1: all of our heroes are in some degree to stay

1184
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 1: safe in some ways knowing that their opponents are, and

1185
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: also to keep that competitive advantage. But if you're going

1186
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: to do the dog and pony show of testing, whether

1187
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 1: it is a dog and pony show or it's absolutely legit,

1188
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: and there's always reasons to question that. In the end,

1189
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 1: if you get caught, you get caught. You know, the

1190
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 1: fight's off. That's what it is, Luke. Those are the

1191
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 1: that's the structure and rules you agreed to. So I

1192
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 1: think it's it's either all or nothing. Either we say

1193
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,439
Speaker 1: ef it, we can't catch these people. Take whatever you want,

1194
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 1: or we have drug tests and if you fail them

1195
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: due the fights off. That's just what it is. Luke,

1196
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: Am I wrong?

1197
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 2: I'll agree with the basic premise that if you agree

1198
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 2: to a certain rule set right, you are required to

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00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 2: obey by it. You can't have sport if there's just

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00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 2: no basic adherence to these foundational principles of whatever was

1201
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 2: in the contract. You must do that, you must do that.

1202
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 2: But I also basically believe that in sport worldwide, we

1203
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 2: have decided that there is no role for drugs other

1204
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 2: than either medicinally in limited circumstances, but for performance dancing drugs,

1205
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 2: the only answer is prohibition. And I just believe that's

1206
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 2: a not merely a backfiring position and an untenable one.

1207
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 2: It's not even the one that people really want, and

1208
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 2: it's not even a one that necessarily makes sport better

1209
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 2: at all. The idea that only only prohibition is the

1210
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 2: place for performance dancing drugs, to me, matter of factly,

1211
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 2: seems quite ridiculous, since we already have certain sports where

1212
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 2: they don't test and they're fucking awesome, and this larger

1213
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 2: idea that they are a can on the sport to

1214
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 2: be rid of, I think you end up doing significantly

1215
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 2: more harm than you do any kind of good. So

1216
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:07,959
Speaker 2: that's where I stand.

1217
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Speaker 1: Very fair take, let's go to topic number three, and

1218
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 1: that is quick hitters. Luke, we want to get your

1219
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 1: takes on everything that's hit the news cycle of note

1220
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: and let's start with a couple retirement bounts set. We

1221
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 1: always talk about UFC legends don't always get that official

1222
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 1: send off. Let's love you on the way out. Well,

1223
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: how about forty year old former lightweight champion Frankie Edgar.

1224
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 1: According to Brett Okamoto of ESPN's reporting through sources, Frankie

1225
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 1: Edgar has booked his final fight of his great career

1226
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 1: and that'll go down November twelfth, Madison Square Garden, UFC

1227
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 1: two eighty one, basically in his backyard there outside of

1228
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 1: Tom's River, New Jersey, and Chris Gutierra is the opponent. Luke.

1229
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 2: Your thoughts, uh, tough fight, tough fight for old Frankie.

1230
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 2: Here's my only thing. It's a great fight for for Gutierrez,

1231
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 2: who hasn't lost since twenty eighteen when he was on

1232
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 2: the Ultimate five finale. Since then, he's done nothing but win.

1233
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 2: And I think his last fight he too last fights well,

1234
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 2: he had a decision or decision two fights ago, but

1235
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 2: in his last one, certainly he looked pretty good against

1236
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 2: bat Guirreldana. This is my question to you, BC. Yeah,

1237
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 2: and I don't know the answer to it, but I'm

1238
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 2: just wondering out loud, why couldn't they have done Frankie

1239
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 2: Edgar versus Dominant Cruise.

1240
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree.

1241
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 2: I don't like this is it to me? This is

1242
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 2: like it'd be great obviously for Frankie Edgar to get

1243
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 2: a win at Masson Square Garden in his final fight,

1244
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:40,959
Speaker 2: Like that's that's a great thing. That's no small feat

1245
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 2: against a very difficult opponent. But who has more to

1246
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 2: win here? Fucking Chris Gutierrez. And I haven't seen the

1247
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 2: odds yet, but due Chris Gutierrez if you haven't been

1248
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 2: paying attention, is very good. He's a very good fighter,

1249
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 2: a heavy leg kicker on top of it. Like, I

1250
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 2: don't know about this one man. This is a tough

1251
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 2: fight for old Frankie. And not only could he take

1252
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 2: an ELL in his last fight, he could have taken

1253
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 2: it Like it'd be one thing if you took an

1254
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 2: l against Dominant Cruz, he'd be like, all right, well,

1255
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 2: two legends going after it. You know it is what

1256
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 2: it is? Good great career, Frankie. Thank you for everything,

1257
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 2: and we will say great career, Frankie, thank you for everything,

1258
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 2: no matter what. But he might end up getting like

1259
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 2: a really tough fight where he just looks not that

1260
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 2: great on the way out against somebody that a lot

1261
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 2: of people don't know. So I know what you're saying.

1262
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 2: If you're the UFC, you're like, right, But that's what

1263
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 2: we want to do. We want to transfer whatever Frankie

1264
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 2: has left in terms of star power and blah blah

1265
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 2: blah and use it to blow up Chris Gutierres. I

1266
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 2: get it, But if you're Frankie, it's like, dude, it's

1267
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 2: not It's not much to win in terms of all

1268
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 2: the factors he's up against.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, he turned pro in two thousand and five. I

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01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 1: mentioned he's forty years old, but he has lost five

1271
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 1: of his last seven, four by stoppage. But the names Luke,

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01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 1: I mean, we're talking about Ortega, Holloway, Tkz, san Haagen,

1273
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 1: Marlon Vera always matches tough, love me some Frankie isn't

1274
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 1: our producer, Mikey aren't there like Grandmother's friends or something.

1275
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Speaker 2: There's some weird thing anybody who's got any connection to

1276
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,920
Speaker 2: New Jersey, like anytime they find out what I do

1277
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 2: for a living, They're like, dude, you know FRANKI Edgar,

1278
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 2: I fucking love FRANKI Edgar like Jersey Ride.

1279
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 1: Seriously, is it possible to not like Frankieger?

1280
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 2: No, it's not. It's impossible to dislike him. I merely

1281
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 2: mean that, Like, you know, you would think if a

1282
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 2: PC Okay, if this were boxing, and it's not, and

1283
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 2: it's not, and this where a retirement fight, would this

1284
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 2: fight have been made? It wouldn't have been made, right,

1285
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 2: Like what was be Hop's last fight I cannot remember anymore?

1286
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 1: Who went on to win a world title? Send him

1287
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 1: through the ropes and out of.

1288
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 2: The ring, That's right. That was kind of sad, all right? Yeah? Uh,

1289
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 2: And Mayweather's last professional contest was what berto.

1290
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 1: No Connor McGregor technically.

1291
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 2: Okay, but you see what I mean, Like, yeah, yeah,

1292
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 2: a bit of a soft landing, so to speak.

1293
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 1: Pachiel fought who gos and I believe he's covered back.

1294
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 1: We know that, Luke.

1295
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that was short but see that was short notice.

1296
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 2: That wasn't the fight that they had booked.

1297
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, go fight Spence, good lord. Yeah, he always matches hard, Luke,

1298
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 1: the other retirement bout I think, tell me if I'm

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01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 1: wrong here, But how about Mortaricio Showgun, who uh peterpro

1300
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 1: in two thousand and two, made his debut with the

1301
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 1: UFC in two thousand and seven, and at UFC two

1302
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 1: eighty three, it looks like he's going to be in Brazil.

1303
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 1: I think that's January of next year. The opponent is,

1304
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 1: how do you pronounce.

1305
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:33,439
Speaker 3: This, Luke?

1306
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 2: He's from He's from Ukraine, so it's ehor Potieria Potieria, Okay, okay,

1307
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 2: he will Potiera. I don't know. I don't know.

1308
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 1: Potieria is eighteen and three. Overall. He wanted Contender Series

1309
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 1: about last September to get into the UFC. Lost his

1310
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 1: debut against Niko Lai Nega Marianu. Yeah, it's close, it's close, Luca,

1311
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 1: it's close. What do you think about this? For Showgun?

1312
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 1: At least it's in his home country. I mean, it's

1313
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 1: kind of like Frankie going going back to MSG, right.

1314
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 2: I don't hate it, but dude, the amount of them.

1315
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not a doctor and take that for

1316
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 2: what it is worth. But to me, the amount of

1317
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 2: brain trauma that Showgun has suffered, he should have retired

1318
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:15,439
Speaker 2: ten years ago.

1319
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 1: Okay, would this have been better if they did Showgun

1320
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 1: Machetah three for the retirement for both.

1321
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 2: Which there were rumors there were rumors that Leota was

1322
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 2: splitting with Belator to get a third fight with Showgun

1323
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 2: and put it in Brazil. I would have much preferred

1324
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 2: that old guy versus old guy. I would have much

1325
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 2: preferred that. I mean, just to be clear, he made

1326
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 2: his debut in two thousand and two, Folks, that is

1327
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 2: when I graduated college. Look at me, Look at how

1328
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 2: life has beaten the ever living fuck out of me.

1329
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 2: That's how long he's been fist fighting for a professional living.

1330
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 1: But not just that, dude, he's been in wars even

1331
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 1: five years. Anytime he wins, he gets his ass kicked

1332
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 1: leading up to the win. You know, like this is

1333
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 1: what happens.

1334
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 2: And you know he had you're folks, I'll be asking

1335
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 2: who had the best ever tournament run in MMA history.

1336
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 2: Probably Shogun Hua through the two thousand and five Pride

1337
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 2: Middleweight tournament. He was a he was just undeniable in

1338
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 2: that moving through there. I mean, he was just a

1339
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:24,720
Speaker 2: complete force of nature. So he's obviously done incredible things.

1340
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 2: He will go into the Hall of Fame. I have

1341
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 2: no doubt about it, but this has been long overdue.

1342
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 2: The shitty part is I think this is a winnable

1343
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 2: fight for him, but it may not be because obviously

1344
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 2: his durability is completely compromised at this point. So you're right.

1345
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 2: It's in his home country, so that's nice. But I

1346
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 2: just feel like, I don't listen. We get up here

1347
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 2: and we criticize the UFC all the time, and I

1348
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:50,480
Speaker 2: do think there are better fights to potentially be booked.

1349
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 2: I don't know that this was the best fight that

1350
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:54,480
Speaker 2: could have been booked. Maybe they tried other ones. You

1351
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 2: talk to matchmakers privately and they tell you like, yeah,

1352
01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 2: we tried X, Y Z, and everyone said, no, we

1353
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:01,440
Speaker 2: just ended up here because this is the best we

1354
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 2: could do with all the time constraints, and I believe that.

1355
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 2: I just feel like the UFC hasn't figured out how

1356
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 2: to say goodbye to their aging legends all that well.

1357
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 2: Yet it's just not so easy. They could make better calls,

1358
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 2: but it's it's very difficult when you actually really think

1359
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:16,120
Speaker 2: about it.

1360
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, they should improve their relationship with former heavyweight Brendan

1361
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:20,919
Speaker 1: Chob too. A lot of back and forth.

1362
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 2: Look, I don't like it all right, what are we

1363
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 2: doing here? Is this the shop? We're doing the shob

1364
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:24,160
Speaker 2: hour now?

1365
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 1: Wow? Wow, okay, sorry former co worker Luke, let's continue

1366
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 1: down the news rabbit hole. Just A Gaechee was a

1367
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 1: guest on MMA Fighting and here's what he said about

1368
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 1: Connor McGregor. Quote in regards to the suspected ped use

1369
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 1: from Connor's jacked up videos. In of course, the news

1370
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 1: story we talked about from Aaron Bronstenter's research that Connor

1371
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 1: has not been tested in over a year. The quote is,

1372
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:51,520
Speaker 1: I mean, who knows. If everybody would just remember correctly,

1373
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:55,200
Speaker 1: I thought Cowboy beat Cowboy, and then he fought Cowboy.

1374
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 1: Right after that, I was primed and ready to go.

1375
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 1: It sounds to me like he's off taking steroids right now,

1376
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 1: hasn't been drug tested by YUSADA in quite some time.

1377
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 1: I'm looking for fair competition. If he's on steroids and

1378
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 1: give me steroids, let's go. Yeah, I'm down for that,

1379
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 1: But my health is my biggest factor. I've never taken

1380
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:15,360
Speaker 1: a ped and I do not want to fight people

1381
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:20,400
Speaker 1: who are taking peds. End quote. Wow, that's a bracert

1382
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 1: from Gaetsche. You don't typically, I mean, you know, was

1383
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 1: it Nate Diez who famously said everybody's on steroids? But

1384
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 1: this is a direct, a direct call out. Is he

1385
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 1: just angling for a fight here? Luke?

1386
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:33,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, hard to divorce between and by the way, you

1387
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 2: see Raphae Alpha Zeve's tweet today, no about this? Do

1388
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:41,800
Speaker 2: you remember that? I gotta be delicate about this. Do

1389
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:45,120
Speaker 2: you remember that Connor McGregor video was on Instagram? That

1390
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 2: was one of the Instagram stories where he was on

1391
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 2: a boat and wasn't exactly clear what he was doing

1392
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 2: on that boat with potentially another woman. Do you remember this?

1393
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 1: No yet?

1394
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 2: That was with d d was on the d right again.

1395
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna comment about that. I don't know what

1396
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 2: the proper way to describe that is, but I'll just

1397
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:06,920
Speaker 2: say it looked, you know, interesting, you know, talk.

1398
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:08,920
Speaker 1: About that one where he was in bed and then

1399
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:10,800
Speaker 1: that other girl like filmed herself like.

1400
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:12,560
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no no no, He's like he's

1401
01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:16,439
Speaker 2: clearly on like the water, like there's water all around him. Anyway,

1402
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:19,599
Speaker 2: physive took that video and was like, oh, here's justin

1403
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:25,040
Speaker 2: Gaegee negotiating with Connor for a fight. Oh, okay, all right, Yeah,

1404
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:28,200
Speaker 2: So anyway, here's what I would say. First thing is,

1405
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:30,560
Speaker 2: I have heard every fighter and their brother tell me

1406
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 2: they don't want to fight someone on pedes. Then they

1407
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:34,640
Speaker 2: get booked against a certain person who is like, you know,

1408
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 2: somewhat rumor to use them or you know, got caught

1409
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:39,599
Speaker 2: using them in the past, and then they just say, yeah,

1410
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:41,160
Speaker 2: I'm sure they're on this time. It is what it is.

1411
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:42,760
Speaker 2: I don't care. Like they all say that they don't

1412
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:44,320
Speaker 2: want to fight someone on peds and then they end

1413
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:46,519
Speaker 2: up potentially doing it, and then they just say it's

1414
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 2: no big deal. I'm gonna win no matter what. Well,

1415
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:51,600
Speaker 2: you know, forgive me for thinking that this is not

1416
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 2: like the hardest stance that they have ever taken. But

1417
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:57,439
Speaker 2: he comes back to the connorm record thing. Being off

1418
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:00,639
Speaker 2: testing for like a year and they're still testing guys

1419
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:04,400
Speaker 2: like Travis Brown who hasn't fought since fucking what twenty

1420
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:06,960
Speaker 2: fifteen or sixteen or something like that, It just doesn't

1421
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 2: make any sense. They refuse to have any transparency about

1422
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 2: the issue. They refuse to acknowledge whether there's carve Out's

1423
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 2: absent retirement or being excluded from the organization, and so

1424
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:17,679
Speaker 2: to me, fighters are going to use anything they want,

1425
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 2: defamatory or otherwise. This is just what you're gonna get.

1426
01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:23,559
Speaker 2: Is he angling for a fight? Probably? Probably?

1427
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 1: But you know, does where does Gechie go next? Because look,

1428
01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:31,360
Speaker 1: I dude, I really thought he was gonna win the

1429
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:33,760
Speaker 1: championship and I had been keeping him in my top

1430
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:35,720
Speaker 1: ten pole for pound and he got handled. Luke, he

1431
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 1: got handled, Okay, he got handled. Where does he go next?

1432
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:41,720
Speaker 2: You know the fact that he beat the living dog

1433
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:45,120
Speaker 2: shit out of Tony but then didn't have really anything

1434
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 2: for her, bib I know you think he did. He didn't. Well,

1435
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:49,560
Speaker 2: I mean, we love just to get I have to

1436
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:51,639
Speaker 2: say this, like justin Gaichee has been nothing but kind

1437
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:54,879
Speaker 2: to us, so you know, I'm really grateful for his kindness,

1438
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:57,200
Speaker 2: but that I did not think that fight went his way,

1439
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:00,760
Speaker 2: and certainly you would agree that the Charles verified just

1440
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 2: really never went his way. Although he did knock Charles down,

1441
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:04,720
Speaker 2: he did hurt it, but it did hurt it.

1442
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:07,360
Speaker 1: Dude, he got dominated on the ground. I mean, I

1443
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:09,120
Speaker 1: know it's not the first time, Luke, but that's a

1444
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:11,160
Speaker 1: he got stopped in three and a half minutes.

1445
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:14,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, But so the common denominators against the two champions,

1446
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 2: Oliver Era and uh Well and Habib. It didn't go

1447
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:21,599
Speaker 2: his way, and so where do you go from here?

1448
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:24,519
Speaker 2: He's still ranked number three. I still think he could

1449
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 2: be in relevant fights. But this probably explains more about

1450
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:30,280
Speaker 2: talking about Connor McGregor, because that's a really, really big fight,

1451
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:34,280
Speaker 2: and it's it puts Connor back to the top of

1452
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:36,400
Speaker 2: the division or pretty close to it anyway if he wins,

1453
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 2: and I think the fans would love it. I think

1454
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:41,519
Speaker 2: the fans would absolutely love a fight like that, So

1455
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 2: I kind of get it.

1456
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:46,439
Speaker 1: Okay, how about this fight that's just been booked. It's

1457
01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:50,280
Speaker 1: gonna go down October twenty ninth on Showtime pay per view.

1458
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 1: We already know Jake Paul and Anderson Silva in the

1459
01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:56,680
Speaker 1: main event. We've got Chris Avila versus Doctor Mike on

1460
01:10:56,840 --> 01:11:00,280
Speaker 1: the card. We've also got this one. Recently retired UFC

1461
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 1: middleweight eur Riah Hall is gonna take on former NFL

1462
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:08,519
Speaker 1: running back star Leveon Bell, with Bell fresh off of

1463
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:12,640
Speaker 1: that one punch ko of Adrian Peterson. Early lines are

1464
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 1: coming out in multiple books. You're seeing basically minus six

1465
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:18,680
Speaker 1: hundred in the direction of your Riya Hall Luke. I

1466
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 1: know he can't kick in this fight, but Leveon Bell

1467
01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:24,200
Speaker 1: is barking up a pretty big tree here. Correct.

1468
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 2: I don't understand the matchmaking here all that much.

1469
01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:35,600
Speaker 1: I mean, here's interesting, dude, it's pretty interesting. But this

1470
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:36,840
Speaker 1: is dangerous for levi On.

1471
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:38,960
Speaker 2: Here's what I Hear's what I don't get about. And

1472
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:40,960
Speaker 2: again we're talking about two very different commedial The point

1473
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:43,680
Speaker 2: I'm about to make involves two different state commissions, so

1474
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 2: they coud have just wildly different interpretations of all this.

1475
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:48,479
Speaker 2: But here's the point I want to make. When Connor

1476
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 2: wanted to box Floyd, then the Vegas Commission said, okay, sure,

1477
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 2: even if you're making your pro debut in boxing, you're

1478
01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:58,519
Speaker 2: and again, he was a champion in the UFC. Let's

1479
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:00,280
Speaker 2: be very clear about that. Double champ in the UFC.

1480
01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:02,360
Speaker 2: Let's be very clear about that. So that's that puts

1481
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:04,280
Speaker 2: them in a different space than your eye Hall. Fair enough,

1482
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:08,439
Speaker 2: But what their argument was explicitly that because he had

1483
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 2: such relevant experience in MMA, they felt like it wasn't

1484
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:14,400
Speaker 2: a bridge too far to book a fight against Floyd.

1485
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:17,680
Speaker 2: All things being what they were, okay, but then what

1486
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:21,439
Speaker 2: Arizona is basically saying, is, despite the fact that Hall

1487
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:25,040
Speaker 2: was not a UFC champion but a very good UFC fighter,

1488
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:27,720
Speaker 2: we want to pump the brakes on what might be

1489
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:30,320
Speaker 2: possible in boxing by matching you up with someone who

1490
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:34,200
Speaker 2: doesn't have hardly any experience and combatively has just one

1491
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:38,080
Speaker 2: fight previous to this one. It's a view of what

1492
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 2: it means to fight in the UFC that is almost

1493
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:43,760
Speaker 2: totally the opposite. One it's good enough for you to

1494
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:45,880
Speaker 2: fight the best fighter of your generation. The other one,

1495
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:47,960
Speaker 2: it's only good enough to fight a running back turned

1496
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 2: boxer one time. I guess I just don't understand what

1497
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:55,439
Speaker 2: is How do commissions view what you've done in the

1498
01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:58,760
Speaker 2: UFC as a way to make an assessment for who

1499
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:01,120
Speaker 2: you should box. It seems like like the commissions are

1500
01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 2: not on the same page.

1501
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:04,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm gonna be We're gonna be there,

1502
01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:05,960
Speaker 1: We're gonna We're gonna we're gonna.

1503
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:08,479
Speaker 2: Hold's gonna win that one, right, Ul's gonna win that one.

1504
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:11,240
Speaker 1: I mean, you like the six to one favorite, Right,

1505
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 1: It's again, he can't kick or take people down, but

1506
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:17,320
Speaker 1: he's got good hands, right, I mean, Le'Veon Bell was.

1507
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:20,360
Speaker 2: So if you think about his two best knockouts, the

1508
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:22,880
Speaker 2: one in the Ultimate Fighter that was a spinning kick,

1509
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 2: and then he has both of them were spinning kicks,

1510
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:26,799
Speaker 2: and then the one he had at least turning anyway,

1511
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:29,160
Speaker 2: and then the one he had on Musasi. Right, so

1512
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:31,880
Speaker 2: I think he's been a little bit more kickboxer than boxer.

1513
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:33,679
Speaker 2: But dude, yes, Like does ru Hall have hands?

1514
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:34,120
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1515
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:36,519
Speaker 2: He does. Although I will say this about Leveon Bell,

1516
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:39,040
Speaker 2: like you saw the fight he had against Adrian Peterson.

1517
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:42,840
Speaker 2: He was pretty good all things considering.

1518
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:45,000
Speaker 1: Well he wasn't he? Am I wrong in my recollection

1519
01:13:45,240 --> 01:13:47,560
Speaker 1: that he was losing that fight before the knockout.

1520
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:52,040
Speaker 2: You could say that. You could say that, but the

1521
01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 2: trap he set that knocked out Peterson was pretty clever.

1522
01:13:56,720 --> 01:13:59,639
Speaker 1: Okay, if Leveon Bell wins this, or let's say even

1523
01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 1: for either, for both guys, how big does this catapult

1524
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 1: them forward? In this larger crossover celebrity boxing bubble, which

1525
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:09,960
Speaker 1: by the way, also includes Jose Aldo going this week

1526
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 1: making public content comment saying I'm looking for a big

1527
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 1: boxing fight. I still got something left. Does the winner

1528
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 1: of Leveon Bell and your Rye Hall get a big

1529
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:20,400
Speaker 1: fight off of this or is this just like the

1530
01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:23,160
Speaker 1: same thing as Darren Williams versus Frank Gore.

1531
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:26,320
Speaker 2: I mean, it definitely hurt. Can't hurt if you win.

1532
01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:29,920
Speaker 2: Especially Okay, here's what I'll say. Bell has a lot

1533
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:32,080
Speaker 2: to win. Like if he beats your Rya Hall, your

1534
01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:35,080
Speaker 2: Rya Hall is not washed. Remember his last fight was

1535
01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:37,880
Speaker 2: against Andre Mooniese and it was all on the ground

1536
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:40,560
Speaker 2: and Moonee subs everybody and didn't sub him like he

1537
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:43,320
Speaker 2: has good sub defense. Also, remember I told you I

1538
01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:45,360
Speaker 2: was going to the airport the next day and there

1539
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:49,479
Speaker 2: was your Rya Hall and he goes, hey, hey, you're

1540
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:52,800
Speaker 2: that MMA guy. I was like, yes, yes, I am so.

1541
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:56,360
Speaker 2: I guess we'll see him in Phoenix. Bell has a

1542
01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 2: shitload to win here. I think if Bell wins, he

1543
01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:00,880
Speaker 2: could do a lot with it. And certainly if your

1544
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:02,640
Speaker 2: Hall it's not nothing to get this, it would be

1545
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 2: pretty nice as well. But I just it's unclear. It's

1546
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:08,519
Speaker 2: really unclear what this whole new space means. You just

1547
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:10,080
Speaker 2: have to have the right opponent. Who is that? I

1548
01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:10,400
Speaker 2: don't know.

1549
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:13,800
Speaker 1: It's is very interesting. How about this news Former belatur

1550
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:17,559
Speaker 1: and UFC analyst Jimmy Smith I believe he also replaced

1551
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:19,559
Speaker 1: you at Sirius XM Radio correct great.

1552
01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 2: Good, yes, correct.

1553
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:24,799
Speaker 1: His time as play blow by blow announcer for WWE

1554
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:26,680
Speaker 1: Raw has actually come to an end, and it's a

1555
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 1: little bit surprisingly as WWE through Variety announced a commentary

1556
01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:36,559
Speaker 1: team shakeup. Luke, I'm told by CBS Sports as Brent Brookhouse,

1557
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:38,920
Speaker 1: I no longer watched the product that Jimmy Smith was,

1558
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:41,080
Speaker 1: you know, basically a breath of fresh air and and

1559
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:44,559
Speaker 1: really good and made a very quick transition to learn.

1560
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 1: You know, it's a different tone, it's a different everything

1561
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:50,120
Speaker 1: calling pro wrestling right' it's but this is a little

1562
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:53,120
Speaker 1: bit surprising on my end. Where do you think Jimmy

1563
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:55,519
Speaker 1: Smith can go next? Forty five years old, one of

1564
01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:57,360
Speaker 1: the best analysts in the game, one of the nicest

1565
01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 1: guys in the whole game. Luke gets a big time

1566
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:01,800
Speaker 1: opportunity off of this.

1567
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:07,479
Speaker 2: I love Jimmy Smith. You know, I was over the

1568
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:10,880
Speaker 2: moon that he got my slot. That why shouldn't students

1569
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:13,800
Speaker 2: say my slot the slot that I occupied anyway, my

1570
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:15,560
Speaker 2: during my time at Series XM, and now it is

1571
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:18,800
Speaker 2: his slot and he does a great job. If you've

1572
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:22,120
Speaker 2: never heard unlocking the cage. It's a phenomenal show. Here's

1573
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:26,120
Speaker 2: my thought on this whole thing. You know, he was

1574
01:16:26,160 --> 01:16:28,160
Speaker 2: working with Bellatore and it didn't work out. He was

1575
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:30,160
Speaker 2: working with UFC and it didn't work out. He was

1576
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:32,439
Speaker 2: working with WW and it didn't work out. Show me

1577
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:36,320
Speaker 2: at any point in his Bellatore run, in his UFC run,

1578
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:39,680
Speaker 2: or in his WWE run, that the fans complained he

1579
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:44,320
Speaker 2: wasn't very good. Right, never happened. You could always quibble

1580
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:47,080
Speaker 2: with this call or that one or whatever. No one's perfect.

1581
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:48,960
Speaker 2: Everyone has a bad call once in a while, sure,

1582
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:52,920
Speaker 2: But in general, people liked what Jimmy Smith offered for Bellatour.

1583
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:55,479
Speaker 2: People liked what Jimmy Smith did for his one year

1584
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:57,320
Speaker 2: with UFC. And I don't watch pro wrestling, but I

1585
01:16:57,479 --> 01:17:00,320
Speaker 2: was very delighted to hear from everyone who does that

1586
01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:02,360
Speaker 2: Jimmy Smith. The I was like, how's he doing a WWE.

1587
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:04,439
Speaker 2: Everyone's dude, he's pretty good. Actually, like he's doing a

1588
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 2: great job. Well, dude, I don't understand how someone this

1589
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:10,960
Speaker 2: talented can't keep the jobs based on ability in that way.

1590
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:12,640
Speaker 1: See, I mean, you know, they could be behind the

1591
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:15,160
Speaker 1: scenes politics, it could be bad luck. But don't forget that.

1592
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:17,680
Speaker 1: When the PBC launched, he he was the blow blah

1593
01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:20,480
Speaker 1: bloh guy on PBC, on Spike.

1594
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:23,600
Speaker 2: And those were all as time buys, I think, so,

1595
01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:24,040
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1596
01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:27,200
Speaker 1: True, but the point is he jumped into both boxing

1597
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:31,320
Speaker 1: and pro wrestling really without any experience and swam. He

1598
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 1: was very good in Bellator. I liked what I saw

1599
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:37,840
Speaker 1: in UFC. Maybe he caught some you know, political pitfalls

1600
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:41,240
Speaker 1: there that that didn't open. But any promotion, it seems,

1601
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:44,000
Speaker 1: could add this guy tomorrow and have a huge upgrade.

1602
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:46,479
Speaker 2: So hopefully, you know, yeah, I really hope I would

1603
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:49,120
Speaker 2: love to hear him back in MMA. He is, he's

1604
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:52,800
Speaker 2: very good in MMA, So we shall see. We shall see.

1605
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:56,599
Speaker 2: But it's a crime. It's a crime if that guy

1606
01:17:56,800 --> 01:18:00,320
Speaker 2: can't get hired to do a job. He is overqualify five.

1607
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:03,519
Speaker 1: He was pretty good too on American Ninja Warrior Season two, Luke,

1608
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:05,720
Speaker 1: he was the sideline reporter. I'm sure you didn't, was

1609
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:06,880
Speaker 1: he really? Yeah? He was?

1610
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:10,000
Speaker 2: He was. Who was the previous like desk and Amanda

1611
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:12,720
Speaker 2: Gara has it now? Who was the pre Jen Brown?

1612
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:13,280
Speaker 2: Was that her name?

1613
01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:14,200
Speaker 1: Yes? Jen Brown?

1614
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:17,360
Speaker 2: Yes, she was also the previous sideline reporter on American

1615
01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:18,559
Speaker 2: Ninja Warrior as well.

1616
01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:21,960
Speaker 1: That's a that's another good point, Luke. There you go our.

1617
01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:23,919
Speaker 2: Financial fair amount of American Ninja Warrior.

1618
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:26,559
Speaker 1: I have my kids were obsessed at one point, Luke

1619
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:30,640
Speaker 1: I actually Luke I actually at one point interviewed with

1620
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:33,800
Speaker 1: vox to become like the head of the American Ninja

1621
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:37,519
Speaker 1: Warrior website at one point, are hidding me, I'm not kidding,

1622
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:38,000
Speaker 1: that's all.

1623
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:41,320
Speaker 2: It was all ang Dodge the bullet. But who was

1624
01:18:41,400 --> 01:18:44,000
Speaker 2: the who's the the former football player who is an

1625
01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:44,880
Speaker 2: analyst on there?

1626
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:47,400
Speaker 1: Oh, Kabaja Caabaja, Camellia.

1627
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:50,680
Speaker 2: I forget his name, but he's good too, He's really good. Yeah,

1628
01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:51,479
Speaker 2: they're good. They're good.

1629
01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:55,200
Speaker 1: Matt Eisman the oh yeah, yeah, all right. The final

1630
01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:58,880
Speaker 1: bit of announcements to react to kes W seventy seven.

1631
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:05,000
Speaker 1: How about this, Luke, Mohmed Khalidov versus the Punchki is

1632
01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:09,200
Speaker 1: still still rolling out there, Marius Poojanowski. Luke Pooja is

1633
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:13,600
Speaker 1: a hero of yours. He's back against Mahmed Khalidov. Are

1634
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:14,080
Speaker 1: you into this?

1635
01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:18,040
Speaker 2: So this is a weird one? Khaledov is Maybe if

1636
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 2: you made a list of the best fighters to never

1637
01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:23,080
Speaker 2: fight in UFC, Khalidov would probably be on the list.

1638
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:26,320
Speaker 2: He's a middleweight.

1639
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:29,720
Speaker 1: I don't know at all. Luke, I don't know. My

1640
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:32,960
Speaker 1: casual ass doesn't know this guy from Adam Okay.

1641
01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:34,880
Speaker 2: So you wouldn't know him because there was a time

1642
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:36,639
Speaker 2: when he was gonna go to UFC and then stay

1643
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:40,400
Speaker 2: with KSW instead. You know, you'd put Fader on the

1644
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:42,560
Speaker 2: list of best fighters to never fight in UFC and

1645
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:43,080
Speaker 2: some other ones.

1646
01:19:43,080 --> 01:19:44,960
Speaker 1: I wouldn't play on the level King mol La Wall

1647
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:45,920
Speaker 1: Luke Okay.

1648
01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:50,200
Speaker 2: King Mo certainly, I love King Mooo. Mama. Kaladov is

1649
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:52,040
Speaker 2: a very very good fighter, a little bit older now,

1650
01:19:52,520 --> 01:19:54,920
Speaker 2: but he's naturally a middleweight now. He could fight it

1651
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:58,680
Speaker 2: two of five obviously. But dude, fucking Poojinowski is an

1652
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:03,920
Speaker 2: enormous heavy. Wait like KSW just does what they want. KSW,

1653
01:20:04,040 --> 01:20:06,599
Speaker 2: if you've never watched any of their shows. In terms

1654
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:09,000
Speaker 2: of their live show, they sort of consider themselves to

1655
01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:13,320
Speaker 2: be in the descendants of Pride and putting on this big,

1656
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:16,439
Speaker 2: grand spectacle. I had one of their promoters in studio

1657
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:18,320
Speaker 2: once at MMA Hour and he basically explained, like, we

1658
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:21,120
Speaker 2: could do more shows, but if we did more shows,

1659
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:22,880
Speaker 2: we couldn't do them with all of the pomp and

1660
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:25,800
Speaker 2: circumstance that we do, so we purposely limit the amount

1661
01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:28,120
Speaker 2: of shows that we have so that each one is

1662
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:31,519
Speaker 2: this grand experience. If you've never seen KSW, you should

1663
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:32,120
Speaker 2: write that wrong.

1664
01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:34,320
Speaker 1: You think Poosha's clean?

1665
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:34,599
Speaker 4: Luke?

1666
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:40,280
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, get the hell out of here.

1667
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:42,320
Speaker 2: He's natty for life.

1668
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:45,280
Speaker 1: All right? Uh, we got Happy Hour to come, but

1669
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:47,679
Speaker 1: let's squeeze in a couple of dead wrongs. It's Morning

1670
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:50,600
Speaker 1: Combat at gmail dot com, the email addressed for your

1671
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:53,360
Speaker 1: Wednesday fan subs, and every Friday you get the chance

1672
01:20:53,479 --> 01:20:56,800
Speaker 1: viewer listener wherever you're consuming this to call us out

1673
01:20:56,880 --> 01:20:58,719
Speaker 1: on the carpet and find out if it does indeed

1674
01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:06,760
Speaker 1: match the drapes. This one's called dead row. We've got

1675
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:10,280
Speaker 1: angry male viewers. Okay, Luke, Let's start with Adam here.

1676
01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:12,000
Speaker 1: He's a big fan of the show, but he says

1677
01:21:12,040 --> 01:21:15,400
Speaker 1: that two hours and two minutes BC states that the

1678
01:21:15,479 --> 01:21:17,920
Speaker 1: best knockout of the week from have you seen this shit?

1679
01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:21,200
Speaker 1: Quote comes from this karate match. That's dead wrong, BC.

1680
01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:25,120
Speaker 1: It's not a karate match. It's a point kickboxing fight,

1681
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:29,280
Speaker 1: which shouldn't have any knockouts allowed. I would have given

1682
01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:31,000
Speaker 1: BC a pass, but we have to listen to his

1683
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:36,040
Speaker 1: awful jokes then Luke's awkward silence every show. Seriously, big fan,

1684
01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:41,400
Speaker 1: it's Adam. I mean you know when it shows up

1685
01:21:41,439 --> 01:21:43,439
Speaker 1: on have you seen this shit, Luke, it's all karate

1686
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:45,599
Speaker 1: to me? Or regional mma. I mean, come on, wait,

1687
01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:46,599
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?

1688
01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:50,599
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, or as the B team calls jiu jitsu

1689
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:52,280
Speaker 2: Mexican ground karate.

1690
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:55,120
Speaker 1: There you go, there you go. This is Jared. He says,

1691
01:21:55,160 --> 01:21:58,360
Speaker 1: I would never question BC's boxing knowledge or history of

1692
01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:02,160
Speaker 1: the sport because he is a card carrying member of

1693
01:22:02,360 --> 01:22:06,320
Speaker 1: the hardcore club, But unfortunately his memory is like your

1694
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:07,639
Speaker 1: staff on set.

1695
01:22:08,160 --> 01:22:09,799
Speaker 2: Kind of there but not really.

1696
01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:17,120
Speaker 1: During Wednesday's show, while talking about Moreno and Figy Part four,

1697
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:20,240
Speaker 1: BC was explaining that there can be customer fatigue and

1698
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:22,840
Speaker 1: long rivalries when they share the ring four times and

1699
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:27,400
Speaker 1: brought up the famous example of Pacquiao Morales. Only Pacchio

1700
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:31,160
Speaker 1: fought Morales three times. I'm sure you meant Marquez, well

1701
01:22:31,240 --> 01:22:34,439
Speaker 1: done on begging for the awards and good luck to

1702
01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:36,640
Speaker 1: the future. Do we really beg Luke? I mean, seriously, do.

1703
01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:39,519
Speaker 2: We beg Listen? I want to be very clear about this.

1704
01:22:40,280 --> 01:22:47,200
Speaker 2: I have zero shame about begging, advocating, whatever you want

1705
01:22:47,240 --> 01:22:49,439
Speaker 2: to call it, all those votes. If you had any

1706
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:52,160
Speaker 2: idea what they did for our careers, you wouldn't. You

1707
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:53,400
Speaker 2: would be like, Okay, I get it.

1708
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:55,759
Speaker 1: I mean, are you gonna You're gonna accuse Joe Biden

1709
01:22:55,840 --> 01:23:00,280
Speaker 1: now of begging for votes? Luke, Yeah, yeah, probably, Yeah,

1710
01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:03,479
Speaker 1: you're right. It is four fights against Juan Manuel Marquez,

1711
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:08,880
Speaker 1: three fights for Pacchio against Eric Morales, both rivalries. Please

1712
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:11,040
Speaker 1: watch them all in their entirety. Thank you. I'll take

1713
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:13,920
Speaker 1: the l because I speak so fast, Luke that sometimes

1714
01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:14,600
Speaker 1: I fuck up.

1715
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:16,840
Speaker 2: Bro, all right, I know that feeling.

1716
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:20,280
Speaker 1: Bro. All right, here's Ian m. He says, good afternoon, MK.

1717
01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 1: At one hour and twenty three minutes and twenty seconds

1718
01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:25,759
Speaker 1: so of episode three five seven, BC makes a reference

1719
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:29,120
Speaker 1: to Freddy Mercury and the Queen song Fat Bottom Girls,

1720
01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:33,479
Speaker 1: the BC's nineties and early two thousands. Reference graphic then

1721
01:23:33,560 --> 01:23:37,040
Speaker 1: played across the bottom of the screen. This is dead wrong.

1722
01:23:37,479 --> 01:23:40,640
Speaker 1: Fat Bottom Girls was released in nineteen seventy eight, not

1723
01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:45,000
Speaker 1: the nineties or two thousands. Indeed, the Great Frankie Freddy

1724
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:47,880
Speaker 1: Mercury excuse me, died in nineteen ninety one. Not sure

1725
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:50,679
Speaker 1: how many Delta eights the show's staff are taking. I'm

1726
01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:52,720
Speaker 1: gonna go out on a lemon, say a lot, but

1727
01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:55,640
Speaker 1: I think they need to up the dosage, Ean m

1728
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:58,479
Speaker 1: So Luke, he's basically calling out Long Island.

1729
01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:01,679
Speaker 2: Luca, I gotta say, I was taking some strays today

1730
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:03,439
Speaker 2: in these drive bys. Huh.

1731
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:05,640
Speaker 1: I mean I would defend them if they didn't deserve it.

1732
01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:09,720
Speaker 2: Luke, It's fine. It's hilarious that the staff just hit

1733
01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:13,320
Speaker 2: the button thinking, like, yeah, nineties, seventies, it was all

1734
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:15,040
Speaker 2: before we were born, sucker.

1735
01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:15,640
Speaker 3: D you know.

1736
01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:18,559
Speaker 1: I mean they opened the show with a nineties reference

1737
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:21,240
Speaker 1: this show even though I made a Portugal demand like

1738
01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:23,840
Speaker 1: twenty twenty reference. But that's fine, you know what I mean,

1739
01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:27,200
Speaker 1: That's fine. We got one more for you. It's Kai

1740
01:24:27,479 --> 01:24:31,320
Speaker 1: from Ontario. K why like the jelly Luke? He says, Hey,

1741
01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:34,400
Speaker 1: Luke and BC, I was browsing the internet the other day.

1742
01:24:34,479 --> 01:24:36,320
Speaker 2: It came astro Glide from Ontario.

1743
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:40,799
Speaker 1: It came across this pathetic, washed scrub with terrible cable management.

1744
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:43,880
Speaker 1: Check it out. This guy, whoever he is, is guaranteed

1745
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:47,439
Speaker 1: to be a worse human than any diehard NFL fan.

1746
01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:51,479
Speaker 2: Yes, fair, wow, very fit. So here's what happened. Now,

1747
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:54,920
Speaker 2: there's one. There's only one. There's only one. I can defend.

1748
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:57,320
Speaker 2: It's the one that's plugging into the iPad on the

1749
01:24:57,320 --> 01:24:58,920
Speaker 2: bottom right. All the films that.

1750
01:24:59,160 --> 01:25:01,920
Speaker 1: Mean, please can a full screen there. Let's let's break

1751
01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:02,280
Speaker 1: this down.

1752
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:04,800
Speaker 2: I had so okay, So the one over the morning

1753
01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:07,160
Speaker 2: combat logo, I had to because the iPad wasn't charged

1754
01:25:07,240 --> 01:25:09,800
Speaker 2: and I had to at five pm I turned back

1755
01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:11,439
Speaker 2: into a pumpkin because I have to watch my kids,

1756
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:14,400
Speaker 2: so I had to record it before then. It's always

1757
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:16,519
Speaker 2: a consequence with the iPad not being charged, I had

1758
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:18,840
Speaker 2: to plug it in. I'll defend that. The other two

1759
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:21,559
Speaker 2: is because I'm a fucking dumb ass. I'm a dumb

1760
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:24,759
Speaker 2: ass and didn't even realize I usually have everything taped

1761
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:27,240
Speaker 2: in fact, b see if you notice on the one

1762
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:30,519
Speaker 2: on the far left, you can actually see said tape

1763
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:34,520
Speaker 2: just dangling in the wind like just an old man's balls.

1764
01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:37,519
Speaker 1: Air piece during a live MK show in the studio

1765
01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:39,000
Speaker 1: Lucas just dangling right.

1766
01:25:39,200 --> 01:25:42,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I deserve I deserve this roasting. Very very pathetic

1767
01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:43,240
Speaker 2: cable management.

1768
01:25:43,439 --> 01:25:45,400
Speaker 1: He said, Whoever the guy is in that picture is

1769
01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:48,200
Speaker 1: guaranteed to be a worse human than any diehard NFL

1770
01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:50,960
Speaker 1: fan while kai slanging it. Look what is that picture

1771
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:52,559
Speaker 1: you had up there? Is that your house right there?

1772
01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:55,439
Speaker 2: This is my room. It's the room I'm in right now.

1773
01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:58,240
Speaker 2: The picture on the right is by this Colombian artist

1774
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:02,840
Speaker 2: in well whose stuff I like? Is the long story short? Yeah?

1775
01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:05,280
Speaker 1: Oh wow, you kind of you quickly put that thing

1776
01:26:05,320 --> 01:26:06,760
Speaker 1: back in the hole whatever you're about to say.

1777
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:08,960
Speaker 2: No, no, I'm not gonna tell you more about them,

1778
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:10,640
Speaker 2: but I don't think you'd really care. It's more like

1779
01:26:10,720 --> 01:26:14,080
Speaker 2: it's more like indigenous surrealist kind of art. Okay, it's

1780
01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:14,559
Speaker 2: pretty cool.

1781
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:16,519
Speaker 1: I appreciate art. I'm not here to make fun of it.

1782
01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:19,560
Speaker 1: Luke all right, thank you, thank you very much. We

1783
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:22,479
Speaker 1: were gonna close. We are going to close right now. Friday. Right,

1784
01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:26,000
Speaker 1: let's take it down easy. Let's let's unbutton the top button.

1785
01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:28,600
Speaker 1: Let's unbutton the fly if you need to zip that

1786
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:31,439
Speaker 1: thing down. This is what we do on Friday. We

1787
01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:34,280
Speaker 1: talk some shit, We enjoy, pour yourself a cold one,

1788
01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:37,000
Speaker 1: tip your bartender on the way out. This is called

1789
01:26:37,640 --> 01:26:45,559
Speaker 1: MK Happy Hour. Ah yeah, half price drinks, Luke. Apps

1790
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:49,680
Speaker 1: are free Okay, we got apps right here, free, I

1791
01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:52,360
Speaker 1: got some topics we could talk about whatever, Luke. The

1792
01:26:52,439 --> 01:26:55,599
Speaker 1: point is here, there's no rules, but you know our

1793
01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:59,800
Speaker 1: staff they want, they want Luke Thomas's piss to come out, Luke.

1794
01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:03,320
Speaker 1: So you know I brought up that story that's lingering

1795
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:05,439
Speaker 1: around that Dana White was on that podcast where he

1796
01:27:05,479 --> 01:27:08,360
Speaker 1: told that story that he had that doctor fly in

1797
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:10,160
Speaker 1: who said you have less.

1798
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:12,360
Speaker 2: Than ten years not a doctor. Not a doctor by

1799
01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:12,799
Speaker 2: the way.

1800
01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:17,040
Speaker 1: So Dana responded to this picture that is everywhere of

1801
01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:20,000
Speaker 1: him having slimmed down and gotten into shape. And a

1802
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:23,640
Speaker 1: comment Dana made was the douche who said steroids is

1803
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:26,479
Speaker 1: the type of person you can't help. Ten times health

1804
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:29,600
Speaker 1: system is incredible and has changed my life. Can we

1805
01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:32,639
Speaker 1: go full screen on here, Luke, this is fifty three

1806
01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:35,320
Speaker 1: year old Dana White in respond Now, look, I got

1807
01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:37,439
Speaker 1: called up by my doctor to clean up my liver.

1808
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:41,280
Speaker 1: He got called out by this specialist and look at him. Now,

1809
01:27:41,320 --> 01:27:42,080
Speaker 1: what are you gonna say?

1810
01:27:42,200 --> 01:27:42,360
Speaker 3: Now?

1811
01:27:43,439 --> 01:27:47,080
Speaker 2: Wait, madam, he's saying, he's saying he's not on roids.

1812
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:50,639
Speaker 1: He's saying the douche who said steroids is the type

1813
01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:54,360
Speaker 1: of person you can't help. This is the uh, this

1814
01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:58,960
Speaker 1: health system he's on has changed his life and is incredible. Luke,

1815
01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:04,160
Speaker 1: is there any is there any chance Uncle Dana's.

1816
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:09,639
Speaker 2: Clean all natty? Yes, like poosha Again, who the hell knows?

1817
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:12,280
Speaker 2: And I want to be one thousand percent clear of

1818
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:14,519
Speaker 2: this because we used to do this to Lorenzo. Lorenzo

1819
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:17,360
Speaker 2: had biceps like you know, the twenty inch pythons of

1820
01:28:17,439 --> 01:28:18,519
Speaker 2: Hulk Hogan and shit.

1821
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:20,920
Speaker 1: Right screen dripping hgh his from.

1822
01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:24,120
Speaker 2: His exactly don't care at all, I mean just, I

1823
01:28:24,200 --> 01:28:28,760
Speaker 2: mean absolutely their choice. Hold on, hold on, hold on,

1824
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:31,640
Speaker 2: hold on two things, but three things. One if it

1825
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:33,840
Speaker 2: is steroids, I just want to be clear. I don't care,

1826
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:36,400
Speaker 2: like really truly don't care. Like live your life the

1827
01:28:36,479 --> 01:28:37,920
Speaker 2: exact way you want to do it. If this makes

1828
01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:40,400
Speaker 2: you happy, God bless you. Number two, that guy he

1829
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:43,439
Speaker 2: hired is not a doctor. In fact, in his own

1830
01:28:43,479 --> 01:28:46,880
Speaker 2: bio he says explicitly he's not a physician. He identifies

1831
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:50,200
Speaker 2: himself as bio hacker, which is just red flag of

1832
01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:51,080
Speaker 2: all red flag.

1833
01:28:51,200 --> 01:28:53,640
Speaker 1: This sounds like that guy that Tom Brady hangs out with, right.

1834
01:28:54,360 --> 01:28:57,680
Speaker 2: Uh Guerrero, yeah, you know, has had multiple athletes test

1835
01:28:57,720 --> 01:29:01,559
Speaker 2: positive for performance enancing drugs, which is always funny. And three,

1836
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:04,760
Speaker 2: do I think he's like, like, here's the thing. Do

1837
01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:06,920
Speaker 2: I think he's like on anabolic steroids? I have no

1838
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:09,360
Speaker 2: fucking idea. Do I think that this is the product

1839
01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:13,960
Speaker 2: of just eating right and living right? I have my suspicions, BC,

1840
01:29:14,840 --> 01:29:16,400
Speaker 2: I have my suspicions.

1841
01:29:16,880 --> 01:29:19,720
Speaker 1: Did you see that show where Peyton Manning's older brother

1842
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:22,719
Speaker 1: Cooper went in Data's backyard and they were like talking,

1843
01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:24,080
Speaker 1: they were grilling and just talking.

1844
01:29:24,120 --> 01:29:26,960
Speaker 2: He lost account of the number of pools he has.

1845
01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:29,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was I mean, look, membership as a

1846
01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:32,400
Speaker 1: millionaire has his privileges. I mean, but yeah, I gotta

1847
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:34,040
Speaker 1: give him credit here. You know, we talked some shit.

1848
01:29:34,120 --> 01:29:36,080
Speaker 1: He's talked some shit about us in our lives, Luke,

1849
01:29:36,520 --> 01:29:37,919
Speaker 1: he looks phenomenal.

1850
01:29:37,960 --> 01:29:39,240
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna hate. He looks phenomenal.

1851
01:29:39,320 --> 01:29:42,599
Speaker 1: Look, he has enough money to gas up and if

1852
01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:44,880
Speaker 1: he did right there at fifty three, I mean he

1853
01:29:44,920 --> 01:29:47,479
Speaker 1: has abs, dude, like legit abs right.

1854
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:49,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. And here's the other part too. It's like, if

1855
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:51,880
Speaker 2: you're fifty three and you have all the money in

1856
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:54,040
Speaker 2: the world to buy not just drugs, but like the

1857
01:29:54,320 --> 01:29:56,760
Speaker 2: very best drugs, and on top, I want to point

1858
01:29:56,760 --> 01:30:00,360
Speaker 2: out something, to hire the kind of well, this guy's

1859
01:30:00,360 --> 01:30:02,960
Speaker 2: a biohacker, but to hire the kind of medical oversight

1860
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:06,200
Speaker 2: to make sure that your blood work looks good and

1861
01:30:06,280 --> 01:30:08,439
Speaker 2: everything else right where you can. Because again I want

1862
01:30:08,439 --> 01:30:10,400
Speaker 2: to be clear about this, Folks, understand this. You can

1863
01:30:10,479 --> 01:30:12,839
Speaker 2: take tail and all in the wrong dose and kill yourself.

1864
01:30:12,920 --> 01:30:16,760
Speaker 2: It's actually not that hard to do. All drugs have

1865
01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:20,559
Speaker 2: intelligent use cases and non intelligent use cases. So if

1866
01:30:20,600 --> 01:30:22,519
Speaker 2: he's fifty three, has all the money in the world

1867
01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:27,559
Speaker 2: to get high quality stuff with high quality supervision around

1868
01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:31,479
Speaker 2: it for all your health markers, why the fuck wouldn't you.

1869
01:30:32,160 --> 01:30:35,840
Speaker 2: Why the fuck wouldn't you, Dude, I'm telling you, I'm

1870
01:30:35,840 --> 01:30:38,040
Speaker 2: thinking about when I hit fifty, I'm just gonna punt,

1871
01:30:38,240 --> 01:30:40,160
Speaker 2: just gonna fucking punt, and then just take all the

1872
01:30:40,240 --> 01:30:41,920
Speaker 2: drugs in the world. I really am thinking about that

1873
01:30:42,040 --> 01:30:44,360
Speaker 2: these days, because the way I'm living now is just pathetic.

1874
01:30:45,680 --> 01:30:49,360
Speaker 1: All Right, here's the scenario I'm gonna offer you. Let's

1875
01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:53,439
Speaker 1: say I give you three weeks to get ready. That's it.

1876
01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:57,439
Speaker 1: I know, data weeks. I know Dana tried to box

1877
01:30:57,520 --> 01:31:00,880
Speaker 1: Tito that time, but how about not boxing you versus

1878
01:31:01,200 --> 01:31:04,000
Speaker 1: this version of Dana White at fifty three in a

1879
01:31:04,200 --> 01:31:07,479
Speaker 1: high Roller's main event with gimmicks being passed around in

1880
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:10,960
Speaker 1: the crowd. Emily Whitmyer and Cynthia Calvio were there. Like

1881
01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:15,120
Speaker 1: last time, Luke, we're hanging out with uh with sideline reporter.

1882
01:31:15,400 --> 01:31:16,960
Speaker 1: You know alex who used to work on our show.

1883
01:31:17,320 --> 01:31:20,000
Speaker 1: Shout out by the way, did you see Alexandra's a

1884
01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:23,880
Speaker 1: sparring or grappling match? She posted on ig Luke al

1885
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:24,840
Speaker 1: one lin I did not?

1886
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:26,200
Speaker 2: Did she do well? She did?

1887
01:31:26,280 --> 01:31:28,680
Speaker 1: She won big big shout out to Alex Wendling was

1888
01:31:28,720 --> 01:31:31,280
Speaker 1: a big part of our show on the social staff, Luke,

1889
01:31:31,520 --> 01:31:36,040
Speaker 1: you versus Dana high Rollers three weeks to clean up

1890
01:31:36,080 --> 01:31:36,400
Speaker 1: your act?

1891
01:31:36,439 --> 01:31:40,680
Speaker 2: Who wins three weeks? That ain't shit, man? But he

1892
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:43,080
Speaker 2: don't roll, Luke, you have I mean, I guess I

1893
01:31:43,120 --> 01:31:47,240
Speaker 2: guess in that sense, I I guess i'd win. I

1894
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:50,479
Speaker 2: guess I'd win. But I gotta tell you I don't

1895
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:54,680
Speaker 2: like my chances against a whole lot these days. I'm

1896
01:31:54,720 --> 01:31:56,120
Speaker 2: in a fairly pathetic state.

1897
01:31:56,360 --> 01:31:58,040
Speaker 1: So okay, what about arm wrestling?

1898
01:31:59,120 --> 01:32:01,960
Speaker 2: No, my shoulder, We're all fucked up? No, okay, okay,

1899
01:32:02,240 --> 01:32:02,759
Speaker 2: all right.

1900
01:32:02,760 --> 01:32:05,759
Speaker 1: All right, Uh, Luke, remember when you poopoo the idea

1901
01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:10,120
Speaker 1: of Patricio Pippule saying that Dana White should allow him

1902
01:32:10,120 --> 01:32:11,560
Speaker 1: to fight Alexander Volkanowski.

1903
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:13,720
Speaker 2: I'm not poopooing it. I mean, it'd be cool if

1904
01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:15,640
Speaker 2: he did, But what the fuck is his incentive?

1905
01:32:16,600 --> 01:32:18,479
Speaker 1: Well? You know you ever hear Henry so Hudo. He

1906
01:32:18,640 --> 01:32:21,080
Speaker 1: was on his show, The Triple C and The SMO Show,

1907
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:26,000
Speaker 1: and Shudo said quote, I say, this is Shudo UFC fighter.

1908
01:32:26,720 --> 01:32:30,840
Speaker 1: I say we start challenging the UFC. To me, I'm

1909
01:32:30,920 --> 01:32:32,840
Speaker 1: not a UFC fighter. I'm a fighter that wants to

1910
01:32:32,920 --> 01:32:35,200
Speaker 1: say I am the best, and I believe in competing

1911
01:32:35,439 --> 01:32:37,240
Speaker 1: and going up against anybody that is the best. And

1912
01:32:37,280 --> 01:32:40,360
Speaker 1: if it does happen to be Volkanovsky, then they think

1913
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:43,240
Speaker 1: give him Pitpull. Pitpoull has been there, He's defeated some

1914
01:32:43,320 --> 01:32:45,360
Speaker 1: of the greats. I think it's time for the crossover.

1915
01:32:45,680 --> 01:32:48,479
Speaker 1: I just think pit Bull's iq his power, the fact

1916
01:32:48,520 --> 01:32:50,439
Speaker 1: that he can wrestle. I mean, he's a real mixed

1917
01:32:50,479 --> 01:32:53,719
Speaker 1: martial artist. I think people need to really pay him respect.

1918
01:32:54,160 --> 01:32:56,320
Speaker 1: Though he's not part of the UFC. He got rid

1919
01:32:56,360 --> 01:32:57,760
Speaker 1: of a guy like Chandler in a minute and a

1920
01:32:57,800 --> 01:33:00,200
Speaker 1: half think about it a real guy that it's the

1921
01:33:00,240 --> 01:33:02,400
Speaker 1: top guy in the world at one fifty five. This

1922
01:33:02,680 --> 01:33:04,679
Speaker 1: dude got rid of him in a minute and a half,

1923
01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:07,800
Speaker 1: which is crazy. Would Max Holloway or Volkanowski do that

1924
01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:11,160
Speaker 1: to somebody like Chandler? End quote. Now we were talking

1925
01:33:11,160 --> 01:33:13,920
Speaker 1: about the greatest fighters to never have a UFC appearance.

1926
01:33:14,040 --> 01:33:17,080
Speaker 1: Certainly Pitbull's high up on that list. What do you

1927
01:33:17,120 --> 01:33:20,160
Speaker 1: make of Suhuto essentially calling out his own boss, make

1928
01:33:20,240 --> 01:33:23,680
Speaker 1: the fight, make the crossover super fight that feels impossible.

1929
01:33:24,280 --> 01:33:26,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it changes anything, but I do

1930
01:33:26,960 --> 01:33:29,920
Speaker 2: agree with Sahuto's analysis. Remember there's a common denominator though,

1931
01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:33,320
Speaker 2: between the pit Bull brothers and Henry Sujuto and you

1932
01:33:33,360 --> 01:33:38,759
Speaker 2: know what I'm about to say, it's Captain Eric Albera scene.

1933
01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:41,519
Speaker 1: Now, do you think this is an inside job? This

1934
01:33:41,720 --> 01:33:42,679
Speaker 1: is an inside tab.

1935
01:33:42,720 --> 01:33:45,400
Speaker 2: Do they train together? They've trained Pitbull the and Suhudo

1936
01:33:45,439 --> 01:33:48,639
Speaker 2: I have trained together. Now he's got a good point. Like, dude, again,

1937
01:33:48,720 --> 01:33:50,320
Speaker 2: were talking about best fires that ever fight in UFC.

1938
01:33:50,439 --> 01:33:53,400
Speaker 2: Suhudo is like, h sorry, I'm not saying su who Pitbull?

1939
01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:56,479
Speaker 2: As you indicated, he's either at or right near the

1940
01:33:56,520 --> 01:33:58,920
Speaker 2: top of that list of guys who just haven't done

1941
01:33:58,920 --> 01:34:01,320
Speaker 2: it yet. And to beat Michael Chandler the way he

1942
01:34:01,400 --> 01:34:08,240
Speaker 2: did is fucking impressive, super impressive. But again, what the fuck?

1943
01:34:08,360 --> 01:34:09,880
Speaker 2: I mean, He's like, I'm not a UFC fighter, I'm

1944
01:34:09,880 --> 01:34:11,880
Speaker 2: just a regular fighter. It's like, no, No, I've got

1945
01:34:11,960 --> 01:34:15,479
Speaker 2: bad news for you. Your contract explicitly states they are

1946
01:34:15,560 --> 01:34:18,160
Speaker 2: your sole promoter. I've seen the contracts.

1947
01:34:18,400 --> 01:34:21,760
Speaker 1: You're back in the testing pool right now, Henry So Yeah, yeah, so,

1948
01:34:21,880 --> 01:34:22,320
Speaker 1: but he's.

1949
01:34:22,200 --> 01:34:24,080
Speaker 2: Right about So, he's right about pit Bull overall though.

1950
01:34:24,160 --> 01:34:25,960
Speaker 2: Pitpull's a fucking amazing fighter.

1951
01:34:27,320 --> 01:34:29,080
Speaker 1: What are the odds if these two fought tomorrow? What

1952
01:34:29,160 --> 01:34:30,080
Speaker 1: are the betting odds?

1953
01:34:30,640 --> 01:34:41,920
Speaker 2: Pit Bull Vulcan, Oh, Vulcan minus minus one eighty minus

1954
01:34:41,960 --> 01:34:48,280
Speaker 2: two hundred somewhere in there and Pitbull plus one point

1955
01:34:48,280 --> 01:34:50,240
Speaker 2: fifty plus one seventy five something like that.

1956
01:34:50,640 --> 01:34:53,880
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not angry at that, you know. I mean,

1957
01:34:54,439 --> 01:34:56,720
Speaker 1: Dana once brought Chuck Lidell to Pride Luke. I mean

1958
01:34:56,760 --> 01:34:57,559
Speaker 1: that was a long time ago.

1959
01:34:57,840 --> 01:34:59,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it didn't go that well, did it.

1960
01:35:00,040 --> 01:35:02,000
Speaker 1: So you're saying Dan is not going to bring Volkanowski

1961
01:35:02,040 --> 01:35:03,160
Speaker 1: to show time so that we can No.

1962
01:35:03,200 --> 01:35:06,120
Speaker 2: But here's the thing, there used to be this, okay,

1963
01:35:06,320 --> 01:35:09,679
Speaker 2: so here we talked, Yes, we talked on Wednesday about

1964
01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:12,680
Speaker 2: all of the financial losses of one. You have to

1965
01:35:12,760 --> 01:35:16,280
Speaker 2: understand something. There was an era right after the Ultimate Fighter,

1966
01:35:16,320 --> 01:35:18,400
Speaker 2: I mean even before the Ultimate Fighter, but certainly after

1967
01:35:18,439 --> 01:35:22,880
Speaker 2: the Ultimate Fighter where the UFC just exploded in popularity,

1968
01:35:23,080 --> 01:35:26,280
Speaker 2: and so all of these other smaller promoters, some who

1969
01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:28,400
Speaker 2: had been in the game before but some who came afterwards,

1970
01:35:28,680 --> 01:35:31,040
Speaker 2: we're all trying to get in on it. And for example,

1971
01:35:31,160 --> 01:35:33,800
Speaker 2: a big one was the IFL, the IFL International Fight

1972
01:35:33,880 --> 01:35:35,920
Speaker 2: League tried to team format and all this stuff, and

1973
01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:38,680
Speaker 2: it all failed, and it all went nowhere, and it

1974
01:35:38,760 --> 01:35:40,720
Speaker 2: was a bunch of you know, it didn't go all

1975
01:35:40,760 --> 01:35:43,200
Speaker 2: that great. So there was a time and there's a

1976
01:35:43,240 --> 01:35:46,040
Speaker 2: famous picture and in fact, he ended up backfiring on

1977
01:35:46,160 --> 01:35:48,880
Speaker 2: him where he had the tombstone of all of the

1978
01:35:49,800 --> 01:35:52,120
Speaker 2: rival promoters who tried to sort of say that, you know,

1979
01:35:52,160 --> 01:35:53,640
Speaker 2: we're going to be better than UFC, and they all

1980
01:35:53,720 --> 01:35:55,600
Speaker 2: kind of went tits up. I bring this all up

1981
01:35:55,680 --> 01:35:57,400
Speaker 2: to say that there was a you know, a good

1982
01:35:57,520 --> 01:36:00,400
Speaker 2: ten year period where you could watch them all even

1983
01:36:00,439 --> 01:36:02,680
Speaker 2: more than that shit five year period where they all

1984
01:36:02,720 --> 01:36:05,559
Speaker 2: went tits up, and then the UFC absorbed a bunch

1985
01:36:05,600 --> 01:36:08,880
Speaker 2: of their talent. Now the biggest of those was Strikeforce.

1986
01:36:09,280 --> 01:36:12,559
Speaker 2: I got to tell you. Before Strikeforce got absorbed, there

1987
01:36:12,800 --> 01:36:16,760
Speaker 2: was wide spread skepticism that any of those guys were

1988
01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:19,080
Speaker 2: going to do all that well. And then lo and behold,

1989
01:36:19,680 --> 01:36:21,760
Speaker 2: many of them ended up becoming champions. And it turns

1990
01:36:21,800 --> 01:36:24,120
Speaker 2: out they were right on par in general with the

1991
01:36:24,160 --> 01:36:26,240
Speaker 2: rest of the UFC roster, if not much better than

1992
01:36:26,280 --> 01:36:28,840
Speaker 2: many of them. Same with WEC. By the way, I know,

1993
01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:30,800
Speaker 2: it sounds kind of crazy. And of course, you know

1994
01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:34,240
Speaker 2: five this wasn't relevant because UFC didn't have those weight

1995
01:36:34,320 --> 01:36:37,160
Speaker 2: classes anyway at the time. But for the one fifty

1996
01:36:37,240 --> 01:36:40,840
Speaker 2: five vers, for your Pettis, for your Henderson, for your cerroonies,

1997
01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:44,120
Speaker 2: there was let me state this one more time, widespread

1998
01:36:44,200 --> 01:36:46,439
Speaker 2: skepticism that they would ever amount to anything in the

1999
01:36:46,520 --> 01:36:49,880
Speaker 2: UFC lo and behold, many of them became champions. What

2000
01:36:50,080 --> 01:36:53,720
Speaker 2: do you see today? You see the exact same thing.

2001
01:36:53,880 --> 01:36:56,080
Speaker 2: You see. Oh, Pitbull couldn't do shit. All these other

2002
01:36:56,120 --> 01:36:58,280
Speaker 2: guys couldn't do shit. Let me warn many of you,

2003
01:36:58,920 --> 01:37:01,679
Speaker 2: Pitbull would not only beat many of your favorite fighters,

2004
01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:04,200
Speaker 2: he would knock their fucking dicks in the dirt pit

2005
01:37:04,320 --> 01:37:07,000
Speaker 2: Bull would beat a lot of them, a lot of them,

2006
01:37:07,000 --> 01:37:09,920
Speaker 2: and he would do it with a fucking viciousness that

2007
01:37:09,960 --> 01:37:11,120
Speaker 2: would hurt your feelings.

2008
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:14,240
Speaker 1: Just to be ary feel that from Spence? Dude, did

2009
01:37:14,320 --> 01:37:17,280
Speaker 1: you feel you stole that joke from Meryl Spence? What

2010
01:37:17,439 --> 01:37:19,439
Speaker 1: kind of Carlos mensia bullshitt me?

2011
01:37:19,479 --> 01:37:20,880
Speaker 2: Let me let me, let's back up a step here.

2012
01:37:20,920 --> 01:37:23,160
Speaker 2: Are you under the impression that the first time someone

2013
01:37:23,280 --> 01:37:26,519
Speaker 2: used the phrase dick in the dirt came from Eryl Spence? Well,

2014
01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:29,200
Speaker 2: I will, I'm under yes or no? Is that the

2015
01:37:29,240 --> 01:37:30,400
Speaker 2: first time you've ever heard that.

2016
01:37:30,840 --> 01:37:33,599
Speaker 1: I'm under the impression that two days ago, Aerol Spence

2017
01:37:33,960 --> 01:37:36,840
Speaker 1: broke out a bunch of tweets that you could cryptically

2018
01:37:37,080 --> 01:37:39,960
Speaker 1: tell you that the Spence Crawford fight is still gonna

2019
01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:42,280
Speaker 1: happen and still close, you know whatever. But one of

2020
01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:45,600
Speaker 1: those he threw shade at Crawford's buddy Keishaw Davis the

2021
01:37:45,720 --> 01:37:48,200
Speaker 1: Rising Prospect, where the quote said, I don't need to

2022
01:37:48,280 --> 01:37:51,000
Speaker 1: lie to you. I don't, I don't throw shade your

2023
01:37:51,040 --> 01:37:53,280
Speaker 1: little cheerleading ass going to be heartbroken when I put

2024
01:37:53,320 --> 01:37:56,439
Speaker 1: that boy dick in the dirt. I and I laughed.

2025
01:37:56,520 --> 01:37:58,240
Speaker 2: So, by the way, it's a great tweet. It's a

2026
01:37:58,280 --> 01:37:59,080
Speaker 2: great it's so.

2027
01:37:59,479 --> 01:38:01,600
Speaker 1: I mean, if this this was Social Justice Wednesday, it

2028
01:38:01,600 --> 01:38:04,360
Speaker 1: would be fantastic, Luke. I think that was fresh in

2029
01:38:04,479 --> 01:38:05,439
Speaker 1: your mind and your.

2030
01:38:05,400 --> 01:38:06,920
Speaker 2: You know, it could have been. It could have been,

2031
01:38:06,960 --> 01:38:09,240
Speaker 2: but I've heard it a million times before that in

2032
01:38:09,320 --> 01:38:11,760
Speaker 2: any case, I'm just pointing out, like he would. I

2033
01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:14,640
Speaker 2: don't think he'd beat Volkanovski because Volkanowski is like the

2034
01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:17,720
Speaker 2: best guy I think in the world. But by the way,

2035
01:38:17,880 --> 01:38:20,280
Speaker 2: it's very possible he could beat Volkanovski and he would

2036
01:38:20,280 --> 01:38:22,600
Speaker 2: beat a lot of other fighters that you love, and

2037
01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:25,560
Speaker 2: you would be very heartbroken about it. Just trust me

2038
01:38:25,640 --> 01:38:25,840
Speaker 2: on that.

2039
01:38:26,240 --> 01:38:28,479
Speaker 1: And people would be willing to sleep with their wives

2040
01:38:28,520 --> 01:38:32,000
Speaker 1: afterwards as well. That guy's just a savage, Luke. Okay,

2041
01:38:32,040 --> 01:38:34,360
Speaker 1: maybe I take that back without knowledge, but he carries

2042
01:38:34,439 --> 01:38:37,240
Speaker 1: that aura like I'm coming into this party to take

2043
01:38:37,320 --> 01:38:39,080
Speaker 1: your cases of beer home with me after I kick

2044
01:38:39,080 --> 01:38:40,040
Speaker 1: your ass and take your women.

2045
01:38:40,120 --> 01:38:42,120
Speaker 2: You know, he has you know how Fundorra is like

2046
01:38:42,240 --> 01:38:44,680
Speaker 2: super tall but kind of nerdy. Yeah, Pitpule is like

2047
01:38:44,720 --> 01:38:48,559
Speaker 2: the exact opposite of Sebastian Fundora. He's super short and compact,

2048
01:38:48,600 --> 01:38:51,240
Speaker 2: but he walks in the fucking room like he owns

2049
01:38:51,320 --> 01:38:51,840
Speaker 2: that joint.

2050
01:38:52,520 --> 01:38:55,240
Speaker 1: Luke, Remember when we debated on the last happy hour

2051
01:38:55,320 --> 01:38:58,680
Speaker 1: we did after Celtics coach imy Udoka received a one

2052
01:38:58,760 --> 01:39:01,680
Speaker 1: year suspension. Dude, we have an updated that there's been

2053
01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:03,439
Speaker 1: a lot of rumors getting thrown.

2054
01:39:03,600 --> 01:39:05,280
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about the Draymond Green thing.

2055
01:39:05,680 --> 01:39:08,080
Speaker 1: We will, we will, Luke, Okay, we will. I mean

2056
01:39:08,240 --> 01:39:10,000
Speaker 1: the next time you host happy Hour, I'll get out

2057
01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:11,000
Speaker 1: of your way and let you take it.

2058
01:39:11,040 --> 01:39:11,599
Speaker 2: From here, Luke.

2059
01:39:11,680 --> 01:39:15,679
Speaker 1: But do you like there's been comments by Matt Barnes

2060
01:39:15,720 --> 01:39:19,040
Speaker 1: that's been very cryptic that that seemed to to to,

2061
01:39:19,520 --> 01:39:22,680
Speaker 1: you know, to tease that he may know something. Do

2062
01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:26,880
Speaker 1: you get the feeling here? We know that Udoka had

2063
01:39:26,920 --> 01:39:31,800
Speaker 1: an out of wedlock affair with a team employee who was,

2064
01:39:32,040 --> 01:39:34,680
Speaker 1: you know, lower than him on the depth chart, and

2065
01:39:35,240 --> 01:39:38,479
Speaker 1: there's also been some disturbing quotes that came out of that,

2066
01:39:38,600 --> 01:39:41,080
Speaker 1: but the Celtics are not releasing the details. Are you

2067
01:39:41,200 --> 01:39:44,400
Speaker 1: a part of this conspiracy movement that believe that Udoka

2068
01:39:45,280 --> 01:39:50,559
Speaker 1: cheated with the wrong woman, meaning some high executive's wife.

2069
01:39:50,680 --> 01:39:53,200
Speaker 1: Is that like, did that? I would read some shit

2070
01:39:53,280 --> 01:39:55,000
Speaker 1: on Twitter. I didn't know if it's you know, no

2071
01:39:55,400 --> 01:39:56,120
Speaker 1: No Has.

2072
01:39:57,000 --> 01:39:59,880
Speaker 2: Who's his existing wife, Neil Long Has? She has? She

2073
01:40:00,120 --> 01:40:02,000
Speaker 2: punted on everything yet, Yeah.

2074
01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:03,960
Speaker 1: She's gone public. It's not good, Luke, it's not good.

2075
01:40:03,960 --> 01:40:05,280
Speaker 2: What does she say? I don't remember.

2076
01:40:05,600 --> 01:40:07,920
Speaker 1: I don't know at this point, but uh like it's

2077
01:40:07,920 --> 01:40:09,080
Speaker 1: got to be an extreme.

2078
01:40:09,479 --> 01:40:13,519
Speaker 2: Uh Like, apparently the story isn't the story that for

2079
01:40:13,640 --> 01:40:15,960
Speaker 2: a while it was consensual, but then at some point

2080
01:40:16,160 --> 01:40:18,120
Speaker 2: it wasn't and then yeah, it just harassing her.

2081
01:40:18,320 --> 01:40:21,800
Speaker 1: There was harassment and inappropriates. Uh we have gaff pulling

2082
01:40:21,880 --> 01:40:24,280
Speaker 1: up Neil long comments. She said she got blindsided by

2083
01:40:24,360 --> 01:40:28,000
Speaker 1: this bet bet and they were they've been engaged forever. Luke,

2084
01:40:28,040 --> 01:40:29,960
Speaker 1: it's just saying, look, it's not a good situation overall.

2085
01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:32,439
Speaker 1: I hope it doesn't hurt the Celtics in this coming year.

2086
01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:34,600
Speaker 2: Two things I'm more interested in than this would be

2087
01:40:34,680 --> 01:40:37,519
Speaker 2: one the fizzling marriage of Tom Brady.

2088
01:40:38,360 --> 01:40:42,080
Speaker 1: Oh dude, let's let's get into that. So the word

2089
01:40:42,200 --> 01:40:45,160
Speaker 1: is that they both hired divorce attorneys and that she's

2090
01:40:45,240 --> 01:40:47,040
Speaker 1: the one pushing for this, But isn't the rumor that

2091
01:40:47,160 --> 01:40:49,320
Speaker 1: she's tried this many times before?

2092
01:40:49,400 --> 01:40:53,240
Speaker 2: Luke may listen who the hell knows is gonna happen.

2093
01:40:53,280 --> 01:40:56,599
Speaker 2: We're responding to this uh celebrity nonsense, like we didn't

2094
01:40:56,600 --> 01:40:59,639
Speaker 2: have any fucking inside information. We're just two dumbasses opining.

2095
01:40:59,720 --> 01:41:01,880
Speaker 1: We are two dumb last to just talk. It's happy hour, bro,

2096
01:41:01,960 --> 01:41:03,120
Speaker 1: We're just talking shit. Okay.

2097
01:41:03,200 --> 01:41:08,120
Speaker 2: So what I'm saying is, Dude, this motherfucking guy might

2098
01:41:08,280 --> 01:41:11,400
Speaker 2: punt on his marriage. And by the way, Bucks are

2099
01:41:11,479 --> 01:41:13,439
Speaker 2: zeroing two at home this season. We'll see how things

2100
01:41:13,520 --> 01:41:17,719
Speaker 2: go here this upcoming week. Also, he could just prove

2101
01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:21,639
Speaker 2: Adam Schefter wrong about his tweet. I mean, you gotta

2102
01:41:21,680 --> 01:41:24,080
Speaker 2: be shitting me that this guy going back was necessary

2103
01:41:24,240 --> 01:41:26,519
Speaker 2: like everything. I'm not gonna say that the Buck season's disaster.

2104
01:41:26,560 --> 01:41:29,320
Speaker 2: It's a very good team, but like this is I

2105
01:41:29,360 --> 01:41:31,320
Speaker 2: don't know if this is exactly happening the way that

2106
01:41:31,400 --> 01:41:33,439
Speaker 2: Brady thought in his head it was gonna go. I

2107
01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:35,240
Speaker 2: think that's pretty fair, Okay.

2108
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Speaker 1: I mean, do you think this is over him deciding

2109
01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:40,200
Speaker 1: to come back or do you think things broke apart

2110
01:41:40,280 --> 01:41:41,720
Speaker 1: and then he's like it, I'm going back.

2111
01:41:42,280 --> 01:41:45,840
Speaker 2: No, I think I think his I saw there was

2112
01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:50,200
Speaker 2: some accusation, like sources close to Giselle. She used a

2113
01:41:50,320 --> 01:41:54,400
Speaker 2: word that caught my attention, and it was that she

2114
01:41:54,640 --> 01:41:59,680
Speaker 2: needed Tom Brady to be more quote present. Bro, if

2115
01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:02,479
Speaker 2: the if your if your wife is complaining you're not

2116
01:42:02,760 --> 01:42:05,880
Speaker 2: present enough, there is bad shit about to happen in

2117
01:42:05,960 --> 01:42:07,920
Speaker 2: your life. Let me just tell you that right now,

2118
01:42:08,880 --> 01:42:11,640
Speaker 2: that's a that's a that's a major red flag, A

2119
01:42:11,840 --> 01:42:12,759
Speaker 2: major red flag.

2120
01:42:13,880 --> 01:42:15,920
Speaker 1: I mean, look, he was drunk as shit at that

2121
01:42:16,120 --> 01:42:18,080
Speaker 1: Super Bowl parade thing by the water there.

2122
01:42:19,479 --> 01:42:21,760
Speaker 2: Haven't you seen, Like we haven't talked about this either,

2123
01:42:21,880 --> 01:42:25,320
Speaker 2: Like have you noticed how his face has changed since.

2124
01:42:26,760 --> 01:42:28,559
Speaker 1: In a confinement camp right now or something?

2125
01:42:28,680 --> 01:42:28,800
Speaker 3: Right?

2126
01:42:29,400 --> 01:42:36,240
Speaker 2: No, a confinement camp? Really? Were you gonna say concentration camp?

2127
01:42:36,280 --> 01:42:38,200
Speaker 2: And you thought confinement was like a little nicer.

2128
01:42:38,439 --> 01:42:40,639
Speaker 1: I thought it was it was more PC Luke. You're

2129
01:42:40,720 --> 01:42:42,080
Speaker 1: confined within the camp, you.

2130
01:42:42,120 --> 01:42:46,240
Speaker 2: Know, Yeah, all right, I'm confined to conversation of.

2131
01:42:46,320 --> 01:42:48,639
Speaker 1: Calling a daycare, Luke. A daycare is basically a coin

2132
01:42:48,760 --> 01:42:50,280
Speaker 1: confinement camp, right, it can.

2133
01:42:50,280 --> 01:42:53,720
Speaker 2: Be yes, certainly also a disease incubator as well. Yeah,

2134
01:42:53,960 --> 01:42:56,120
Speaker 2: I'll just say this. You know, he retired and then

2135
01:42:56,160 --> 01:42:59,160
Speaker 2: a fucking month later he was like, yeah, fuck my family, dude.

2136
01:42:59,439 --> 01:43:01,840
Speaker 2: If he did interview, I think it was with Showtime's

2137
01:43:01,840 --> 01:43:04,160
Speaker 2: own Jim Gray, if I'm not mistaken, right, and they do.

2138
01:43:04,200 --> 01:43:06,400
Speaker 6: A podcast together, Luke, Yeah, yeah, so I think on

2139
01:43:06,600 --> 01:43:09,879
Speaker 6: that he had said, now, this is not true absent

2140
01:43:09,960 --> 01:43:12,720
Speaker 6: football season, so you know, when there's no season going on,

2141
01:43:13,000 --> 01:43:14,920
Speaker 6: this is you know, no restriction of he can live

2142
01:43:14,920 --> 01:43:16,200
Speaker 6: a relatively normal life.

2143
01:43:16,560 --> 01:43:19,519
Speaker 2: But during football season. I don't think something like he

2144
01:43:19,680 --> 01:43:23,599
Speaker 2: hasn't had a Christmas or Thanksgiving in twenty years, hasn't

2145
01:43:23,680 --> 01:43:26,880
Speaker 2: gone to a birthday party during football season in twenty years.

2146
01:43:27,560 --> 01:43:32,479
Speaker 2: You know, bro, I don't know what it's like to

2147
01:43:32,560 --> 01:43:35,920
Speaker 2: live his life, but I feel like he may have

2148
01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:39,479
Speaker 2: miscalculated his return a little bit if he's made that

2149
01:43:39,760 --> 01:43:43,439
Speaker 2: much sacrifice, retires and then a month later he's like, yo,

2150
01:43:43,600 --> 01:43:44,439
Speaker 2: fuck my family.

2151
01:43:45,680 --> 01:43:48,320
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, you're right, You're right. It's very interesting. I

2152
01:43:48,400 --> 01:43:50,760
Speaker 1: got a couple couple of fun things to go through here, Luke.

2153
01:43:50,800 --> 01:43:53,639
Speaker 1: Did you you know that we talked about has Bulah

2154
01:43:54,000 --> 01:43:58,160
Speaker 1: signed an official UFC deal, not to fight, but to

2155
01:43:58,360 --> 01:44:02,240
Speaker 1: lend his life and sing. They now have a UFC store,

2156
01:44:02,880 --> 01:44:05,439
Speaker 1: the Legend Hosbulah clothing line.

2157
01:44:05,720 --> 01:44:05,920
Speaker 2: Luke.

2158
01:44:06,000 --> 01:44:08,640
Speaker 1: Those T shirts you see are all thirty dollars right

2159
01:44:08,680 --> 01:44:11,360
Speaker 1: now in the UFC store. What would it take to

2160
01:44:11,479 --> 01:44:12,559
Speaker 1: get you in one of those?

2161
01:44:12,840 --> 01:44:16,000
Speaker 2: Here's the question, and the answer is it must because

2162
01:44:16,040 --> 01:44:18,720
Speaker 2: they're using his likeness. But like, how much of a

2163
01:44:18,800 --> 01:44:20,439
Speaker 2: cut does he get? You know what I'm saying?

2164
01:44:21,920 --> 01:44:24,120
Speaker 1: I hope a lot. I mean, I I love Look,

2165
01:44:24,120 --> 01:44:25,720
Speaker 1: here's the deal. I at first I was like, f

2166
01:44:25,800 --> 01:44:28,439
Speaker 1: this guy, But I'm not lying that that that barstool

2167
01:44:28,479 --> 01:44:31,480
Speaker 1: interview they did just completely won me over. This guy's ridiculous.

2168
01:44:31,520 --> 01:44:33,960
Speaker 2: I don't hate him at all, Like I don't. It's

2169
01:44:34,320 --> 01:44:35,840
Speaker 2: why would I hate him? He's done nothing to my

2170
01:44:35,960 --> 01:44:38,360
Speaker 2: life in any way bad. I don't. I don't hate him.

2171
01:44:38,840 --> 01:44:41,519
Speaker 2: I just don't understand the fascination with him. And I

2172
01:44:41,600 --> 01:44:44,280
Speaker 2: tend to think the fascination is a little bit fetishizing

2173
01:44:44,400 --> 01:44:44,960
Speaker 2: little people.

2174
01:44:45,240 --> 01:44:47,400
Speaker 1: It is to a degree. But he's a badass, Luke.

2175
01:44:47,439 --> 01:44:51,000
Speaker 1: He's like, you know, like you saw another bad posing

2176
01:44:51,040 --> 01:44:53,040
Speaker 1: with Balah Muhammad and he punched you right in the face,

2177
01:44:53,040 --> 01:44:54,360
Speaker 1: and I know you hate when he does that to

2178
01:44:54,479 --> 01:44:55,160
Speaker 1: like shock and see.

2179
01:44:55,240 --> 01:44:56,960
Speaker 2: Well it's like, dude, are you a badass? Are you

2180
01:44:57,080 --> 01:45:00,639
Speaker 2: just a malcontent? I mean, what's the what's the between

2181
01:45:00,760 --> 01:45:02,000
Speaker 2: bad assid and malcontent?

2182
01:45:02,479 --> 01:45:04,600
Speaker 1: I think you look at Hosbula and you see a

2183
01:45:04,640 --> 01:45:06,360
Speaker 1: little bit of the same spirit that's inside of you,

2184
01:45:06,479 --> 01:45:08,120
Speaker 1: and you hate that there's another one out there.

2185
01:45:08,200 --> 01:45:12,360
Speaker 2: Luke, I don't like Well. I used to want to

2186
01:45:12,400 --> 01:45:14,479
Speaker 2: go around randomly punching people, but now I don't. I

2187
01:45:14,479 --> 01:45:15,839
Speaker 2: don't have that inside me anymore.

2188
01:45:16,280 --> 01:45:20,240
Speaker 1: All Right, all right, I don't really love these shirts,

2189
01:45:20,240 --> 01:45:22,320
Speaker 1: but I'm not against the idea of myself. I'm I'm

2190
01:45:22,320 --> 01:45:24,640
Speaker 1: gonna wait till they're on the clearance section of the

2191
01:45:24,680 --> 01:45:26,679
Speaker 1: site and they're like four ninety nine. Then I'm gonna

2192
01:45:26,680 --> 01:45:29,000
Speaker 1: buy them all, Luke, But until then I could. I

2193
01:45:29,040 --> 01:45:30,920
Speaker 1: would love to wear them, just not for full price.

2194
01:45:30,960 --> 01:45:33,479
Speaker 2: I'll say this much. I'll say this much for whatever

2195
01:45:33,640 --> 01:45:37,160
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes has Bula has. Yes, he's trying to cash

2196
01:45:37,240 --> 01:45:38,519
Speaker 2: in on it. God bless you.

2197
01:45:38,600 --> 01:45:40,599
Speaker 1: He's trying to cash in on outside. Do you hate

2198
01:45:40,640 --> 01:45:42,639
Speaker 1: when he sits Kate's side at the No, I don't care.

2199
01:45:42,520 --> 01:45:44,519
Speaker 2: About that dude. Again, I think nothing he does in

2200
01:45:44,560 --> 01:45:46,680
Speaker 2: any way negatively affects my life, like I don't care

2201
01:45:46,840 --> 01:45:47,519
Speaker 2: in any way at all.

2202
01:45:47,600 --> 01:45:49,720
Speaker 1: Like God, I think they should have a Hosbula cam

2203
01:45:50,040 --> 01:45:51,640
Speaker 1: at all times on his face in the corner of

2204
01:45:51,680 --> 01:45:53,800
Speaker 1: the screen and get his reaction. I don't want Paul

2205
01:45:53,840 --> 01:45:56,639
Speaker 1: Felder's reaction to a knockout. I want has Bulah's all right.

2206
01:45:58,800 --> 01:46:02,160
Speaker 2: Yes for a little bit. I just think they overdo it.

2207
01:46:02,320 --> 01:46:05,920
Speaker 2: They overdo it a little bit. Again. It's also people

2208
01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:10,280
Speaker 2: being like, you know, hey, little people are funny. Let's

2209
01:46:10,360 --> 01:46:11,280
Speaker 2: laugh at him kind of thing.

2210
01:46:11,600 --> 01:46:13,840
Speaker 1: I think we're laughing with him as he's taking out

2211
01:46:13,920 --> 01:46:15,200
Speaker 1: his anger to the world on the.

2212
01:46:15,240 --> 01:46:17,880
Speaker 2: Momb sometimes not every time, not every time.

2213
01:46:19,360 --> 01:46:22,519
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to this, Luke. So, Stephen A.

2214
01:46:22,640 --> 01:46:24,800
Speaker 1: Smith was a guest on this new Jake Paul Like,

2215
01:46:24,920 --> 01:46:27,639
Speaker 1: Jake Paul's got this new betting app site thing going,

2216
01:46:27,760 --> 01:46:30,639
Speaker 1: and he's got a podcast, and you know, the real

2217
01:46:30,880 --> 01:46:33,719
Speaker 1: MMA news out of this. Let's let's start here before

2218
01:46:33,720 --> 01:46:35,760
Speaker 1: we go to the sound, Luke, Let's start with the

2219
01:46:35,840 --> 01:46:38,040
Speaker 1: actual MMA news. I don't know if you saw the sound,

2220
01:46:38,120 --> 01:46:40,320
Speaker 1: but he had steven A on. Jake did, and they're

2221
01:46:40,320 --> 01:46:42,439
Speaker 1: talking about fighter pay and dude, steven A gave the

2222
01:46:42,560 --> 01:46:47,439
Speaker 1: most pro Dana pro UFC response really of all time,

2223
01:46:47,520 --> 01:46:51,400
Speaker 1: and then basically accused Jacob like making up stats about

2224
01:46:51,439 --> 01:46:53,599
Speaker 1: how much UFC fighters actually get paid. He's like, I've

2225
01:46:53,640 --> 01:46:56,599
Speaker 1: been around so many journalists in MMA and they don't

2226
01:46:56,680 --> 01:46:57,240
Speaker 1: talk about this.

2227
01:46:58,000 --> 01:47:00,120
Speaker 2: And he's like, I've never well, the first thing, I

2228
01:47:00,280 --> 01:47:02,360
Speaker 2: couldn't even get through it because Stephen A. Smith is

2229
01:47:02,520 --> 01:47:04,760
Speaker 2: just unbearable.

2230
01:47:04,840 --> 01:47:07,000
Speaker 1: But is it what he's really saying? Is what he's

2231
01:47:07,040 --> 01:47:09,679
Speaker 1: really saying. I've been around a lot of ESPN MMA

2232
01:47:09,920 --> 01:47:10,479
Speaker 1: reporters and.

2233
01:47:10,479 --> 01:47:12,200
Speaker 2: The Yeah, so here's the thing. What he says is

2234
01:47:12,439 --> 01:47:15,080
Speaker 2: so Jake says that the UFC fighters only make fifteen percent,

2235
01:47:15,120 --> 01:47:16,560
Speaker 2: which is a little low. It's a little higher than that,

2236
01:47:16,680 --> 01:47:18,880
Speaker 2: but you know, not too far from the truth. And

2237
01:47:19,080 --> 01:47:21,960
Speaker 2: then what and he says this is proven, which is true,

2238
01:47:22,520 --> 01:47:24,760
Speaker 2: that we know that the documents are out there. But

2239
01:47:25,280 --> 01:47:27,120
Speaker 2: then Stephen A's like, well, I've been you know, I've

2240
01:47:27,120 --> 01:47:28,920
Speaker 2: talked to a number of MMA reporters and none of

2241
01:47:29,000 --> 01:47:33,519
Speaker 2: them have known that. And I'm like, I don't believe you.

2242
01:47:34,040 --> 01:47:36,120
Speaker 2: I don't believe I know Bred Komoto knows that. I

2243
01:47:36,240 --> 01:47:38,840
Speaker 2: know Ericjwane knows that, and he's not what ESPN anymore,

2244
01:47:38,880 --> 01:47:39,360
Speaker 2: but he used to be.

2245
01:47:39,600 --> 01:47:41,439
Speaker 1: I know Mark Ray Martindy knows that.

2246
01:47:41,760 --> 01:47:44,880
Speaker 2: Ramundi knows that. So which ones at ESPN are you

2247
01:47:45,040 --> 01:47:47,160
Speaker 2: talking to and did you talk to them about a

2248
01:47:47,240 --> 01:47:48,880
Speaker 2: fighter pay Wagonheim.

2249
01:47:49,000 --> 01:47:51,280
Speaker 1: That's who he talked to, Luke, and he was high

2250
01:47:51,280 --> 01:47:52,320
Speaker 1: as balls.

2251
01:47:51,920 --> 01:47:55,880
Speaker 2: All right, Yeah, Waggenheim was trying to say fifteen percent,

2252
01:47:55,960 --> 01:47:57,360
Speaker 2: but he was so high it just came out. It's

2253
01:47:57,439 --> 01:47:58,040
Speaker 2: fifty you know.

2254
01:47:58,120 --> 01:48:00,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go, there you go. Well, look, here's

2255
01:48:00,320 --> 01:48:04,840
Speaker 1: why we're really here. Julia Rose, who we already know, Luke, right,

2256
01:48:04,920 --> 01:48:07,080
Speaker 1: she follows two hundred and fifty one people on Twitter.

2257
01:48:08,439 --> 01:48:09,559
Speaker 2: I thought it was two fifty two.

2258
01:48:09,960 --> 01:48:13,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, she dropped one that wasn't me though, that was Shaggy,

2259
01:48:13,320 --> 01:48:18,600
Speaker 1: wasn't me. She apparently asked stephen A the real, the

2260
01:48:18,680 --> 01:48:20,679
Speaker 1: pressing question of the moment. Let's go to the video,

2261
01:48:20,760 --> 01:48:21,679
Speaker 1: let's go to the sound.

2262
01:48:22,600 --> 01:48:25,240
Speaker 7: Go bullshit, stephen A, no bullshit, honest answer.

2263
01:48:25,240 --> 01:48:27,280
Speaker 1: I don't bullshit, no bull I don't bullshit.

2264
01:48:27,320 --> 01:48:31,920
Speaker 7: Okay, do you stephen A eat ass?

2265
01:48:32,720 --> 01:48:32,880
Speaker 2: Oh?

2266
01:48:33,080 --> 01:48:37,719
Speaker 7: Sh No, you don't eat assn't honest.

2267
01:48:37,800 --> 01:48:39,080
Speaker 2: I don't know that.

2268
01:48:39,439 --> 01:48:40,759
Speaker 1: That's a god's honest answer.

2269
01:48:41,479 --> 01:48:45,000
Speaker 2: Never, I don't ever have you gotten your ass? Never?

2270
01:48:46,680 --> 01:48:47,360
Speaker 1: That's private.

2271
01:48:51,880 --> 01:48:54,879
Speaker 2: That's private. Hey, that's private.

2272
01:48:58,080 --> 01:48:59,920
Speaker 7: God bullshit? Stephen A, no bullshit.

2273
01:49:00,240 --> 01:49:04,400
Speaker 1: Luke to quote Chris Rock about jail, Well, the first

2274
01:49:04,479 --> 01:49:07,400
Speaker 1: thing that I do is my salad?

2275
01:49:07,479 --> 01:49:13,040
Speaker 2: Hold on, Hold on a second, Julia Rose fan right here,

2276
01:49:16,840 --> 01:49:21,640
Speaker 2: Count me in, kill me in. That was excellent. That

2277
01:49:21,920 --> 01:49:25,040
Speaker 2: was super fucking excellent. I am now jealous the fact

2278
01:49:25,080 --> 01:49:27,640
Speaker 2: that she fucking follows you. That is awesome. We got

2279
01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:29,840
Speaker 2: to get her back in the chair. Remember when she

2280
01:49:29,880 --> 01:49:32,120
Speaker 2: sat down in your whole plan, Remember when she sat

2281
01:49:32,240 --> 01:49:34,920
Speaker 2: down and your whole plan was to ignore her for

2282
01:49:35,000 --> 01:49:36,320
Speaker 2: the rest of the broadcast. Remember that?

2283
01:49:36,760 --> 01:49:40,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do, I do, I do. Ass eaton Sison

2284
01:49:40,800 --> 01:49:41,479
Speaker 1: is here?

2285
01:49:41,680 --> 01:49:41,880
Speaker 5: Luke?

2286
01:49:42,160 --> 01:49:42,479
Speaker 1: Wow?

2287
01:49:43,200 --> 01:49:46,479
Speaker 2: Can you imagine the act? Can you imagine the partner

2288
01:49:47,200 --> 01:49:49,240
Speaker 2: that would do that to Stephen Asmith? You imagine how

2289
01:49:49,439 --> 01:49:50,599
Speaker 2: just a pathetic a creature?

2290
01:49:50,680 --> 01:49:53,680
Speaker 1: That is? No no, uh, Luke. You have mentioned the

2291
01:49:53,880 --> 01:49:57,200
Speaker 1: Draymond Green incident. So here's the deal. Golden State Warriors

2292
01:49:57,320 --> 01:50:00,519
Speaker 1: practice Jordan Poole, who let's remember remember what do He

2293
01:50:00,520 --> 01:50:03,080
Speaker 1: averaged twenty points a game last year, but then wasn't

2294
01:50:03,120 --> 01:50:06,080
Speaker 1: getting the key minutes down the stretch of the finals.

2295
01:50:07,479 --> 01:50:09,799
Speaker 1: I don't know what this was about, but here's the footage.

2296
01:50:15,680 --> 01:50:22,400
Speaker 2: That's the tweet. Here we go. Yeah, that's mine. See

2297
01:50:22,439 --> 01:50:24,719
Speaker 2: and I wrote it's kind of a sucker punch because

2298
01:50:24,720 --> 01:50:26,200
Speaker 2: it's a little bit borderline.

2299
01:50:27,240 --> 01:50:27,879
Speaker 1: It's aggressive.

2300
01:50:27,880 --> 01:50:33,200
Speaker 2: I'll tell you that it's definitely aggressive. Here's Draymond. Draymond

2301
01:50:33,240 --> 01:50:34,880
Speaker 2: already has in his mind when he wants okay. First

2302
01:50:34,880 --> 01:50:37,040
Speaker 2: of all, he just gets in his face and again,

2303
01:50:37,160 --> 01:50:39,920
Speaker 2: oh dude, come on, is that a sucker punch or not?

2304
01:50:40,520 --> 01:50:42,320
Speaker 1: First of all, he's like six ' eight pools like

2305
01:50:42,400 --> 01:50:44,560
Speaker 1: a tiny guard. I mean, I need to know that.

2306
01:50:44,680 --> 01:50:46,479
Speaker 1: What has it come out? What it was about? Luc

2307
01:50:46,520 --> 01:50:48,360
Speaker 1: or is it just like look, I know Michael Jordan

2308
01:50:48,400 --> 01:50:51,200
Speaker 1: and Steve Kerr fought like it gets tense in practice,

2309
01:50:51,200 --> 01:50:54,479
Speaker 1: and sometimes you use intimidation as motivation. I get it.

2310
01:50:54,640 --> 01:50:56,960
Speaker 1: What the hell was this about? Because that's dirty. That's dirty.

2311
01:50:57,080 --> 01:50:57,920
Speaker 1: That part.

2312
01:50:57,960 --> 01:50:59,400
Speaker 2: I don't know the reason why I wrote kind of

2313
01:50:59,600 --> 01:51:01,519
Speaker 2: it's not a clear sucker punch in the sense that

2314
01:51:01,640 --> 01:51:04,439
Speaker 2: like Pool was standing there and out of nowhere, he

2315
01:51:04,640 --> 01:51:06,439
Speaker 2: just gets pushed. But if your pool, dude, what are

2316
01:51:06,479 --> 01:51:09,680
Speaker 2: you supposed to do? Watch Draymond Green walk over and

2317
01:51:09,760 --> 01:51:12,720
Speaker 2: then already pulls backing up and then he gets in

2318
01:51:12,760 --> 01:51:15,640
Speaker 2: his personal space and he doesn't shove him hard. He

2319
01:51:15,800 --> 01:51:19,759
Speaker 2: just actually even pushes his own self even further backwards

2320
01:51:19,800 --> 01:51:22,360
Speaker 2: to get Draymond off of him. Folks are like, oh, well,

2321
01:51:22,400 --> 01:51:24,920
Speaker 2: once you shove him the gut, you should expect a punch. Listen,

2322
01:51:25,360 --> 01:51:27,400
Speaker 2: all of you tough guys on the internet. You can

2323
01:51:27,479 --> 01:51:31,120
Speaker 2: say whatever you want. Nobody believes you. Nobody believes you,

2324
01:51:31,479 --> 01:51:34,280
Speaker 2: and no one in their right mind thinks you should

2325
01:51:34,320 --> 01:51:38,000
Speaker 2: be prepared to get assaulted at basketball practice for just

2326
01:51:38,200 --> 01:51:42,920
Speaker 2: maintaining your own personal space. That's fucking ridiculous. So it's

2327
01:51:42,960 --> 01:51:45,559
Speaker 2: not like the clearest definition of a sucker punch, I admit,

2328
01:51:46,000 --> 01:51:50,120
Speaker 2: but it's close enough where I think it kind of fits. Luke.

2329
01:51:50,200 --> 01:51:52,280
Speaker 1: If we get to this point as teammates in the

2330
01:51:52,520 --> 01:51:55,240
Speaker 1: MK studio, what's the fallout gonna look like?

2331
01:51:56,640 --> 01:51:57,960
Speaker 2: A more pathetic version of this.

2332
01:51:59,160 --> 01:52:02,160
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, if you if you strike me, Luke,

2333
01:52:02,320 --> 01:52:04,760
Speaker 1: just like the real world or road rules, there's contracts.

2334
01:52:05,120 --> 01:52:06,920
Speaker 1: If you get take it to the physical level, you're

2335
01:52:06,960 --> 01:52:07,840
Speaker 1: you're off the show, Luke.

2336
01:52:07,880 --> 01:52:10,080
Speaker 2: Okay, do you remember when that dude slapped the girl

2337
01:52:10,160 --> 01:52:11,519
Speaker 2: with lime disease? Do you remember that?

2338
01:52:13,240 --> 01:52:15,280
Speaker 1: Are you talking about real world Seattle?

2339
01:52:15,720 --> 01:52:18,200
Speaker 2: Yes? Well, he bangs on the car as it's leading,

2340
01:52:18,479 --> 01:52:20,400
Speaker 2: she has she has lime season and it's sucking her

2341
01:52:20,439 --> 01:52:20,720
Speaker 2: all up.

2342
01:52:20,760 --> 01:52:24,800
Speaker 1: Irene, And that was like ninety four ninety five. I

2343
01:52:24,880 --> 01:52:26,360
Speaker 1: thought it was kind of kind of hot.

2344
01:52:26,479 --> 01:52:26,880
Speaker 7: Was I wrong?

2345
01:52:27,040 --> 01:52:27,080
Speaker 3: No?

2346
01:52:27,439 --> 01:52:29,080
Speaker 2: She went to Georgetown I think, by the way, But no,

2347
01:52:29,200 --> 01:52:30,679
Speaker 2: she was definitely ugly.

2348
01:52:31,000 --> 01:52:32,600
Speaker 1: She was kind of cute, Luke, and like, yeah, but

2349
01:52:32,680 --> 01:52:33,519
Speaker 1: due your taste is.

2350
01:52:33,600 --> 01:52:36,760
Speaker 2: Like I mean, it's just world class shit. It's just unbelievable.

2351
01:52:36,800 --> 01:52:39,360
Speaker 2: But anyway, so he bangs on the car door and

2352
01:52:39,439 --> 01:52:41,880
Speaker 2: the car stops, he opens it and then pops her

2353
01:52:41,960 --> 01:52:47,320
Speaker 2: one time. If you did that today, you know, you'd

2354
01:52:47,400 --> 01:52:50,680
Speaker 2: be completely canceled from society altogether. And it was a

2355
01:52:50,720 --> 01:52:53,000
Speaker 2: big scandal then. But he kind of got away with it.

2356
01:52:53,080 --> 01:52:55,320
Speaker 1: She didn't she try to out him sexually. Isn't it

2357
01:52:55,360 --> 01:52:56,200
Speaker 1: the fuel behind it though?

2358
01:52:56,280 --> 01:52:58,840
Speaker 2: Luke, I don't remember that part. But didn't she have

2359
01:52:58,960 --> 01:53:00,639
Speaker 2: like mental problems because of the lime disease?

2360
01:53:00,680 --> 01:53:02,280
Speaker 1: Like it was fucking her all up? She was trying

2361
01:53:02,280 --> 01:53:03,960
Speaker 1: to hook up with that tough dude and it didn't

2362
01:53:04,000 --> 01:53:05,760
Speaker 1: wasn't really working out for her, and then she left

2363
01:53:05,800 --> 01:53:08,360
Speaker 1: the show. Yeah, it's you know, we lived it, Luke,

2364
01:53:08,439 --> 01:53:09,280
Speaker 1: We grew up. We lived it.

2365
01:53:09,360 --> 01:53:11,479
Speaker 2: Okay, we lived BC. Are you gonna check out the

2366
01:53:11,600 --> 01:53:15,160
Speaker 2: new Lamb of God album? Omens No?

2367
01:53:15,479 --> 01:53:17,280
Speaker 1: But remember at our live show. That dude gave me

2368
01:53:17,320 --> 01:53:19,800
Speaker 1: all those metal like prog CDs. I gotta, I gotta.

2369
01:53:19,800 --> 01:53:21,519
Speaker 1: I'm gonna break those down, Luke, I'm ready.

2370
01:53:21,600 --> 01:53:24,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was Jason. Jason is a great Jason w

2371
01:53:24,400 --> 01:53:24,880
Speaker 2: I'll say, is.

2372
01:53:24,840 --> 01:53:26,719
Speaker 1: A great I'm going to go after those. I'm ready.

2373
01:53:26,760 --> 01:53:28,519
Speaker 1: I cleared out some space dude his.

2374
01:53:28,720 --> 01:53:30,240
Speaker 2: I'll say this, I don't know what he gave you,

2375
01:53:30,280 --> 01:53:32,240
Speaker 2: so I can't speak to any of those things necessarily,

2376
01:53:32,360 --> 01:53:35,519
Speaker 2: but his taste in metal it's basically about as good

2377
01:53:35,560 --> 01:53:36,000
Speaker 2: as it gets.

2378
01:53:36,200 --> 01:53:38,799
Speaker 1: Dude. I get a lot of dms from people going, look,

2379
01:53:38,840 --> 01:53:40,960
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to make you listen to Cannibal Corpse,

2380
01:53:41,040 --> 01:53:45,280
Speaker 1: but here's some like Prague art rock jazz metal that

2381
01:53:45,439 --> 01:53:47,439
Speaker 1: you that's right up your life. And I'm like, okay,

2382
01:53:47,479 --> 01:53:49,040
Speaker 1: I'll give it a try. I'll give it a try.

2383
01:53:49,439 --> 01:53:51,040
Speaker 2: I've said this to you before, the one I thought

2384
01:53:51,080 --> 01:53:53,320
Speaker 2: that you might like, because here's the thing, like, I

2385
01:53:53,360 --> 01:53:56,200
Speaker 2: don't know how much I don't know how much more

2386
01:53:56,360 --> 01:53:58,760
Speaker 2: hardcore metal can get. It's got to the point where

2387
01:53:58,840 --> 01:54:02,639
Speaker 2: you hear a certain band and it's it's just indecipherable noise.

2388
01:54:02,640 --> 01:54:03,920
Speaker 2: And I know you're saying that about my bands. But

2389
01:54:04,000 --> 01:54:05,280
Speaker 2: let me tell you, I could play these ones and

2390
01:54:05,280 --> 01:54:08,040
Speaker 2: you hear what I'm talking about. You just you can't

2391
01:54:08,080 --> 01:54:10,120
Speaker 2: get much more than what it already is on that level.

2392
01:54:10,160 --> 01:54:12,280
Speaker 2: So they're going a bit of a different artistic direction.

2393
01:54:12,640 --> 01:54:14,519
Speaker 2: So one of the bands I like is Rivers of Nile,

2394
01:54:14,560 --> 01:54:17,120
Speaker 2: who has a saxophone player and it's a it's not

2395
01:54:17,240 --> 01:54:19,120
Speaker 2: what you might imagine, it's it's pretty good.

2396
01:54:19,479 --> 01:54:23,200
Speaker 1: Okay, okay. Do you remember the great, late, late great

2397
01:54:23,240 --> 01:54:26,280
Speaker 1: Ginger Baker. Luke, he was, you know, arguably the greatest

2398
01:54:26,320 --> 01:54:29,519
Speaker 1: drummer of all time, part of Cream and Blind Faith.

2399
01:54:30,320 --> 01:54:32,600
Speaker 1: I read a quote from him on Facebook yesterday that

2400
01:54:32,720 --> 01:54:35,560
Speaker 1: said a lot of people claim that we, as Cream,

2401
01:54:35,680 --> 01:54:38,480
Speaker 1: invented heavy metal. If that's the case, we should have

2402
01:54:38,480 --> 01:54:39,040
Speaker 1: had an abortion.

2403
01:54:39,240 --> 01:54:44,720
Speaker 2: Luke. Your thoughts, well, the very relevant thoughts of the

2404
01:54:44,920 --> 01:54:48,080
Speaker 2: Cream drummer. Let me, oh yeah, where? And where's Eric

2405
01:54:48,160 --> 01:54:49,000
Speaker 2: Clapton as well?

2406
01:54:49,160 --> 01:54:49,280
Speaker 1: Oh?

2407
01:54:49,400 --> 01:54:53,240
Speaker 2: I know, spouting anti immigrant nonsense? Yeah, more opinions from

2408
01:54:53,280 --> 01:54:54,880
Speaker 2: old Fox. So I don't care about.

2409
01:54:54,800 --> 01:54:58,040
Speaker 1: Okay, here you go, all right, rip Ginger Baker. Look,

2410
01:54:58,040 --> 01:54:59,520
Speaker 1: you got any other topics or you just want to

2411
01:54:59,520 --> 01:55:01,960
Speaker 1: close this two strong hours? Close it right now?

2412
01:55:02,520 --> 01:55:04,080
Speaker 2: Well, I do have to get a haircut, so I

2413
01:55:04,160 --> 01:55:04,680
Speaker 2: do have to go.

2414
01:55:04,920 --> 01:55:06,960
Speaker 1: Oh, how much money are you looking to invest in this?

2415
01:55:07,640 --> 01:55:09,360
Speaker 2: So this one is the one I told you about.

2416
01:55:09,360 --> 01:55:12,040
Speaker 2: That's a little bit cheaper. It's only sixty all told,

2417
01:55:12,640 --> 01:55:16,480
Speaker 2: so for by DC standards, that's not that at all, dude.

2418
01:55:16,560 --> 01:55:19,480
Speaker 1: For twenty four dollars, I get the wash, the massage,

2419
01:55:19,600 --> 01:55:22,560
Speaker 1: the back massage, Luke, the hot towel, the cold towel.

2420
01:55:22,840 --> 01:55:23,720
Speaker 1: Twenty four bucks.

2421
01:55:23,800 --> 01:55:26,160
Speaker 2: Dude, Come on, I know, but you also live in

2422
01:55:26,200 --> 01:55:27,720
Speaker 2: a place where the cost of living is like a

2423
01:55:27,800 --> 01:55:29,960
Speaker 2: stick of gum and a paper clip every month.

2424
01:55:30,040 --> 01:55:33,040
Speaker 1: Dude, we just established that I live in you know.

2425
01:55:33,320 --> 01:55:34,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then you were like, I live on the

2426
01:55:34,840 --> 01:55:36,960
Speaker 2: bump fuck street, So you can't take that back now.

2427
01:55:37,840 --> 01:55:39,040
Speaker 1: Look, I live in a race ranch.

2428
01:55:39,080 --> 01:55:39,320
Speaker 2: Okay.

2429
01:55:39,360 --> 01:55:42,080
Speaker 1: I'm modest human being. I'm not like all big big

2430
01:55:42,160 --> 01:55:42,720
Speaker 1: bucks like you.

2431
01:55:42,840 --> 01:55:45,280
Speaker 2: Okay, Luke, all right, I wish I believe me. I

2432
01:55:45,320 --> 01:55:47,600
Speaker 2: wish I was big Bucks. Daddy's got bills, motherfucker.

2433
01:55:47,680 --> 01:55:49,840
Speaker 1: Speaking of our lives, Luke, I want to get the

2434
01:55:49,880 --> 01:55:56,160
Speaker 1: public ready for this this coming Tuesday, October eleventh, YouTube

2435
01:55:56,240 --> 01:55:59,440
Speaker 1: dot com slash Morning Combat. They're telling me it might

2436
01:55:59,520 --> 01:56:01,440
Speaker 1: be the last best one we ever. Do you say

2437
01:56:01,520 --> 01:56:05,560
Speaker 1: we do too many documentaries? Well, apparently the billable hours

2438
01:56:05,640 --> 01:56:09,560
Speaker 1: for Jake von Amsterdam are piling up. Luke Episode seven

2439
01:56:10,160 --> 01:56:15,360
Speaker 1: Morning Combat documentary. It's like forty something minutes long. If

2440
01:56:15,440 --> 01:56:18,280
Speaker 1: we're going out, we're going out with a bang. It's

2441
01:56:18,360 --> 01:56:21,880
Speaker 1: gonna be live, local and late breaking Tuesday morning on

2442
01:56:22,680 --> 01:56:24,640
Speaker 1: our YouTube channel. What do you have to say to

2443
01:56:24,680 --> 01:56:25,400
Speaker 1: the people about this.

2444
01:56:26,360 --> 01:56:28,960
Speaker 2: I've seen it. My wife has a cameo in it,

2445
01:56:29,400 --> 01:56:31,480
Speaker 2: Tuki has a cameo, and Tuki has a very small

2446
01:56:31,520 --> 01:56:36,360
Speaker 2: cameo in it. It's great, It's really great. Oh wow,

2447
01:56:36,520 --> 01:56:37,400
Speaker 2: very very very good.

2448
01:56:37,520 --> 01:56:39,560
Speaker 1: But to be fair, you didn't see the ending. You're like, oh, yeah,

2449
01:56:39,600 --> 01:56:40,320
Speaker 1: I just stopped watching.

2450
01:56:40,320 --> 01:56:42,200
Speaker 2: No, I've not seen the ending. I've not seen too far.

2451
01:56:42,400 --> 01:56:44,280
Speaker 2: I think there's like five or six minutes left. I've

2452
01:56:44,280 --> 01:56:44,800
Speaker 2: not finished.

2453
01:56:44,960 --> 01:56:48,440
Speaker 1: So that's convenient. Those five six minutes around you drinking

2454
01:56:48,480 --> 01:56:50,320
Speaker 1: margarita is really fast. It's really convenient.

2455
01:56:50,560 --> 01:56:53,360
Speaker 2: That's probably why I didn't. I didn't really go that far.

2456
01:56:53,520 --> 01:56:57,320
Speaker 1: But a lot of donks making a lot of donks

2457
01:56:57,360 --> 01:56:59,440
Speaker 1: make cameos in this. So looking forward to us as

2458
01:56:59,440 --> 01:57:01,600
Speaker 1: the family. Joy Okay, we.

2459
01:57:02,000 --> 01:57:04,839
Speaker 2: Good And by the way, October eleventh, also my brother's birthday.

2460
01:57:05,400 --> 01:57:07,520
Speaker 1: Oh hey, how old is he gonna be fifty?

2461
01:57:08,600 --> 01:57:12,200
Speaker 2: He'll be forty five? Forty five? All right?

2462
01:57:12,960 --> 01:57:16,520
Speaker 1: If I can get him on the show for your

2463
01:57:16,600 --> 01:57:19,240
Speaker 1: birthday and Gaff telling us his birthday is October thirteenth,

2464
01:57:19,240 --> 01:57:21,040
Speaker 1: shout out to Gap. You know Gaf's middle name is

2465
01:57:21,120 --> 01:57:23,040
Speaker 1: Jim not James Jim.

2466
01:57:24,440 --> 01:57:25,960
Speaker 2: I know, And I told him he should change it

2467
01:57:26,000 --> 01:57:29,160
Speaker 2: to like an awesome spelling like Jay y m because

2468
01:57:29,320 --> 01:57:31,600
Speaker 2: just Jim is Jim.

2469
01:57:31,960 --> 01:57:35,200
Speaker 1: His middle name's Jim, like Lake Larry Larry Bird's middle

2470
01:57:35,280 --> 01:57:38,640
Speaker 1: name is Joe, not Joseph Joe, I.

2471
01:57:38,720 --> 01:57:42,560
Speaker 2: Know, just Joe. Uh, if you're going to do, what

2472
01:57:42,600 --> 01:57:44,560
Speaker 2: would my brother if.

2473
01:57:44,440 --> 01:57:47,120
Speaker 1: I can get him on a on a Zoom Morning

2474
01:57:47,160 --> 01:57:50,200
Speaker 1: combat interview, would you allow it? And what would you

2475
01:57:50,280 --> 01:57:51,280
Speaker 1: be your surprise level?

2476
01:57:51,360 --> 01:57:51,560
Speaker 5: Luke?

2477
01:57:51,920 --> 01:57:55,640
Speaker 2: I'd allow it? Sure, Okay, but I mean you have

2478
01:57:57,560 --> 01:57:59,360
Speaker 2: you have next to no chance. You have a better

2479
01:57:59,480 --> 01:58:02,160
Speaker 2: chance of going and developing a time machine and then

2480
01:58:02,200 --> 01:58:04,320
Speaker 2: actually getting my mom to show up on this So

2481
01:58:05,120 --> 01:58:05,600
Speaker 2: good luck.

2482
01:58:06,160 --> 01:58:09,280
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, how many jigawats do I of electricity do

2483
01:58:09,360 --> 01:58:11,440
Speaker 1: I need for that challenge? Let's ask Jay Aaron and

2484
01:58:11,640 --> 01:58:12,640
Speaker 1: is all right?

2485
01:58:12,680 --> 01:58:13,040
Speaker 3: There you go.

2486
01:58:13,640 --> 01:58:16,360
Speaker 1: That's the show for today. Shout out as well to

2487
01:58:16,880 --> 01:58:20,800
Speaker 1: Geff Long Island, Luke, Corey Menij, Mikey Mormar, all the

2488
01:58:20,840 --> 01:58:23,200
Speaker 1: great people behind the scenes. How about Brendan Lynch our

2489
01:58:23,240 --> 01:58:23,720
Speaker 1: social guy.

2490
01:58:23,840 --> 01:58:24,000
Speaker 2: Luke.

2491
01:58:24,040 --> 01:58:25,520
Speaker 1: That's a guy that's going to take you down one

2492
01:58:25,600 --> 01:58:26,760
Speaker 1: time and tap your ass out.

2493
01:58:27,200 --> 01:58:31,960
Speaker 2: Probably probably he is young and you know, on the

2494
01:58:32,040 --> 01:58:34,280
Speaker 2: mats and I'm a washed piece of shit.

2495
01:58:34,520 --> 01:58:37,000
Speaker 1: So dollar Store Gordon Ryan in the house. Thank you

2496
01:58:37,280 --> 01:58:43,040
Speaker 1: very much. This Saturday Tomorrow night, Showtime Championship Boxing Tripleheader

2497
01:58:43,160 --> 01:58:48,040
Speaker 1: ten pm Eastern Sebastian Fundora versus Carlos Ocampo. But don't

2498
01:58:48,120 --> 01:58:51,040
Speaker 1: forget to settle in a little bit early seven thirty

2499
01:58:51,160 --> 01:58:56,240
Speaker 1: pm in the East. YouTube the Showtime Sports Channel. It's BC.

2500
01:58:56,600 --> 01:59:02,520
Speaker 1: This guy, it's LT that guy. We're gonna host the

2501
01:59:02,560 --> 01:59:04,760
Speaker 1: countdown show. We're gonna call fights. It's gonna be a

2502
01:59:04,800 --> 01:59:08,240
Speaker 1: lot of fun. Join us, check it out. That's about

2503
01:59:08,280 --> 01:59:09,040
Speaker 1: all I got, Luke.

2504
01:59:09,120 --> 01:59:11,400
Speaker 2: You anything else now, I will see you guys. And

2505
01:59:11,400 --> 01:59:13,800
Speaker 2: a reminder, yes, they're showing the thing for showtime because

2506
01:59:13,840 --> 01:59:15,960
Speaker 2: to watch the main card fights you have to have showtime.

2507
01:59:16,000 --> 01:59:19,080
Speaker 2: But to watch me NBC just need an Internet connection.

2508
01:59:19,280 --> 01:59:23,040
Speaker 2: We're gonna be on the Showtime YouTube channel. Free easy, simple,

2509
01:59:23,600 --> 01:59:24,960
Speaker 2: no brainer, Join us, join.

2510
01:59:24,880 --> 01:59:27,080
Speaker 1: Us, don't forget. We got some big belotor cards coming

2511
01:59:27,120 --> 01:59:29,360
Speaker 1: up in the future. Corey Anderson and mcof. I mean,

2512
01:59:29,480 --> 01:59:32,440
Speaker 1: you know Nemaga made off versus Patrinchiya. I mean you're

2513
01:59:32,480 --> 01:59:34,520
Speaker 1: gonna want to get Showtime. Get you thirty days free

2514
01:59:34,960 --> 01:59:37,880
Speaker 1: right now at showtime dot com and the next three

2515
01:59:37,960 --> 01:59:40,120
Speaker 1: months after that, three ninety nine a month. Can you

2516
01:59:40,160 --> 01:59:42,280
Speaker 1: beat that? You can't beat with that stick with a

2517
01:59:42,400 --> 01:59:45,200
Speaker 1: bat with a stick hammer, can't touch that. You saw

2518
01:59:45,240 --> 01:59:48,240
Speaker 1: our socials below like follow us. Thank you for voting

2519
01:59:48,320 --> 01:59:51,400
Speaker 1: us to all these damn awards. We're gonna pay you back. Luke,

2520
01:59:51,480 --> 01:59:53,600
Speaker 1: I mean, can we do a live show in New York?

2521
01:59:53,720 --> 01:59:56,280
Speaker 2: Can we? I hope? I hope.

2522
01:59:56,920 --> 02:00:00,120
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, that's about all I got for the great. Hey,

2523
02:00:00,720 --> 02:00:03,800
Speaker 1: Luke Thomas, my name is Brian Campbell. Thank you for

2524
02:00:03,920 --> 02:00:06,240
Speaker 1: joining us. Take care, take care of this, okay, put

2525
02:00:06,240 --> 02:00:08,600
Speaker 1: your mental health first today. Do it for yourself, do

2526
02:00:08,680 --> 02:00:11,760
Speaker 1: it for those that love you. Talk to people. It's okay,

2527
02:00:11,800 --> 02:00:14,360
Speaker 1: all right, let's spread the word. Let's spread cheer. That's LT.

2528
02:00:14,560 --> 02:00:16,760
Speaker 1: This is BC and we are out of here,