1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and I heart 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: radio podcast. Welcome to the most dramatic podcast ever. I 3 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:11,880 Speaker 1: am Chris Harrison alongside Lauren Zima. It's so good to 4 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: have everybody here today. Because the show is about you. 5 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: We are going to open the phone lines, take your calls. 6 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: It's always one of our favorite episodes that we do 7 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:22,240 Speaker 1: when we get to interact with you because this show's 8 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 1: about you. Well, I was we were about to sit 9 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:29,159 Speaker 1: down and do this episode. I mean, we're planning to 10 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: do it, and then some major news did hit though, babe, 11 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: and I have to say, it's making me wonder what 12 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: kind of questions we might get today because I've had 13 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: several people text me, call me ask if you were 14 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: going to do a podcast about the news that broke 15 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:46,599 Speaker 1: this week, which is that the creator of The Bachelor, 16 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: Mike Flice, your longtime boss of about twenty years, the 17 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: man who hired you, has quote per the article, stepped down, 18 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: stepped away from the show. So several people reaching out 19 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: and asking is Chris gonna do like an emergency podcast 20 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,759 Speaker 1: on this But you know, obviously, you know, I've had 21 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: like twenty four hours to process this news. I didn't 22 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: want to ask for everybody out there, though, what was 23 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: your first reaction? I actually what was giving me your 24 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 1: first emotional or one word for when you first saw 25 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: the headline? Surprising. I was surprised. It was news that 26 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: filtered out early Tuesday morning. Obviously planned very carefully to 27 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: come out after the finale on Monday night, early Tuesday morning. 28 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 1: This announcement comes out and very surprising. I would say, 29 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: I had to sum it up in one word, it's 30 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: very interesting. It's very interesting to me. Obviously, before you 31 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: and I ever started dating, I covered the show as 32 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: a journalist for three three I don't know, three four 33 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: years before we started dating. And then we started dating, 34 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: and I continued to written. We kind of kept things separate, 35 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: you know. I wanted to cover it from a place 36 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: of also joy, and so I would ask you to 37 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: not tell me spoilers and not tell me things. But 38 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: this is very it's very interesting. Maybe do you want 39 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: to explain for everybody because this is kind of, on 40 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: the one hand, huge news for the Bachelor world, but 41 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: on the other hand, like I watched a lot of 42 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,119 Speaker 1: shows and I don't know who the creator of those 43 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 1: shows might be, So do you want to explain for 44 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 1: everybody who make places. Yeah, because it's kind of interesting. 45 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 1: You know, this is huge news, It is massive. Mike 46 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: Flice created The Bachelor, it was his idea, it was 47 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: his baby. He's the person who hired me, as Lauren 48 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: said back in two thousand and one, that's who I 49 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 1: met first. That's who I had several meetings with. That's 50 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: who was on hand every day of the show, especially 51 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: early on. His involvement ebbed and flowed throughout the years, 52 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: but that's who's made every major decision casting who the 53 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: Bachelor bacherette is, the direction of the show, the pulse 54 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: of the show. That is what the creator and slash 55 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: executive producer does. So that's who Mike Fleiss is or 56 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: was to the show before he quote unquote stepped away 57 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 1: as of Tuesday morning. And I say that because this 58 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: is what I found confusing about this surprising announcement is 59 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what that means stepped away, Because as 60 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: the creator of a show, you can be a lot 61 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: of things. You can be active, you can be an 62 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: executive producer and be there day to day, or you 63 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: can just sit at home and collect mailbox money. There's 64 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 1: nothing to step into or step away from? Right. Yeah again, 65 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: I guess I'll put on my journalist hat here. And 66 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: when I first read this article, the first sentences Mike 67 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: Fleiss is stepping down in the I'm in the article 68 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: Deadline Hollywood, which is where I think it first came out. 69 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: Mike Fleiss is stepping down from the creative team of 70 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: the Bachelor franchise after more than twenty years. Look, I'll 71 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: be honest. My first reaction was l ol, I just 72 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: don't buy it. I don't think that Mike is stepping down. 73 00:03:56,440 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: I don't know why he would. It's the this franchise 74 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: is from what I always understood his whole world. This 75 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: is the show he's known for, and these are the 76 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: only shows he does. And there's no reason. There's not 77 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: a reason ever given in the article. And I don't 78 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: know why it's something you would need to announce like 79 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 1: stepping down. Why would you need to Why would what 80 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: would be the points like there's no he's stepping down 81 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 1: to do this or away from or there's no reason given, 82 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: which is very strange to me. Maybe let me give 83 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: some some backdrop on what Lauren saying that has nothing 84 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: to do with this show and nothing to do with 85 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 1: this person. Mark Burnett incredibly creative, brilliant man, creator of Survivor, 86 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 1: if you didn't know, among many other things, The Apprentice 87 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: and other great shows. He quote unquote stepped away from 88 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 1: Survivor many moons ago. Jeff Probst and his crew took 89 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 1: that show over a long time ago. There's no major 90 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 1: announcements because Burnett's still it's still his baby, it's still 91 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: his show. He's still the creator of the show. But 92 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: he quote unquote stepped away. Would you compare if you're 93 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: a parent and you announce I'm stepping away from parenting 94 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: my Child's like, get it? It doesn't make sense to me. 95 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: And there's one sentence in particular that I actually take 96 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,359 Speaker 1: issue with it this article having covered the show for 97 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: many years quote. While he's remained associated with the franchise, 98 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: Fleiss hasn't been involved in the day to day operations 99 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:30,359 Speaker 1: of each series in about a decade. First of all, 100 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: if you just go look at his Twitter, Mike, that's 101 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: either not true or Mike doesn't want you to think 102 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: that's true. Because he would tweet photos from the set. 103 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: He would say at night one, here we go. He 104 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 1: would tweet that he was making major announcements about the show. 105 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 1: He would say, this news is coming up. He would say, 106 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: are you watching? And I mean, it was always my 107 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 1: understanding that he was like I'd heard from other journalists 108 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 1: that he was in the control room on night one. 109 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 1: There were some journalists who were sometimes brought into the 110 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,919 Speaker 1: control room. I never was I and that and that 111 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: was very recent. That was in my time on the show. 112 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: I think somebody did. Somebody did like a piece like 113 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: reporting from the control room a few years ago. Who 114 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 1: was it. Was it Christin Baldwin, Yes, and she was 115 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: like live in the control room, and I think she 116 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: talked about it. So if you're in the control room 117 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: on night one, I don't that's you being pretty involved 118 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 1: in the operations of the show. And I mean, I 119 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: have met Mike a few times, but it's been at 120 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: Bachelor things. He was when they started to do the 121 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 1: those Bachelor live when they tried to do that live 122 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: tour with Ben and Becca a few years ago, he 123 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: was like there on the opening night. It was my 124 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: understanding that Mike was still involved in a lot of 125 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: the show, and to say he wasn't for a decade 126 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: is wild to me. There are obviously a lot of 127 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: things I know and I just can't say, but there 128 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: are a lot of things that make you go. I 129 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: can definitely say more will come out only that I know. 130 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 1: I don't know what these people are working on, but 131 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 1: I heard that there are multiple journalists working very hard 132 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: on this story, and that I found very interesting. And again, 133 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: I don't know anything about what those journalists are working on, 134 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: but I did hear that that is happening, So there 135 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: is a lot more to come. We will follow this 136 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: story because obviously it is a big story that I 137 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: don't think we'll just be swept under the rug because 138 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: it came out Tuesday morning, the night after The Bats 139 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: are finale. Hey, guys, sorry to interrupt, but I'm just curious, 140 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: who are these producers that are taking over? How do 141 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: you feel about this, Kendall Producer Kendall. I love when 142 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: Kendall jumpson because Kendall is such a long time fan 143 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: of the show. Kendell, I'm glad that you brought that 144 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: up because that stuck out to me too, actually, and 145 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: I'd forgotten to mention it. So it says longtime executive 146 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: producer Bennett Grabner, along with Claire Freeland and Jason Erlick. 147 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: We'll be taking over as executive producers and showrunners for 148 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: the franchise. Now. I know Bennett. I'd met Bennett several 149 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: times covering the show over the years, and he's just 150 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: been there a long time. That was not surprising to me. 151 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: But having covered it and met meeting several of the 152 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: producers year after year, I was really surprised by these 153 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: other two names because I don't know them, and many 154 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: other producers had come to mind for me. Who I 155 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: would have thought the show would have promoted along with Bennett, 156 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: people who've been putting their time in there, who are 157 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: incredibly talented people. So, Babe, do you know Claire and Jason? 158 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: I think it says Claire was from Bachelor Canada. Yeah, 159 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: so Claire, I do not know she came from Bachelor Canada. 160 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: Jason Erlich worked with me. He's an old friend. I've 161 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: known Jason for many, many years. Famous uncle Kenn Erlick 162 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: who did the Grammys and a lot of award shows 163 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 1: for many years. Yeah they're related. Nepo baby, no different story, 164 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: but yeah, Jay worked on the show for many years 165 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 1: and then went off and then kind of came back 166 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: and forth and jumped in a bunch of reality shows. 167 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: And then obviously Bennett, as you said, you know Bennett. 168 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: He's an old friend as well. Bennett's been with me 169 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: on the show for decades. He came rose through the 170 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 1: ranks and talented producer. And so yeah, those three are 171 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: now according to this article in Charge, you know the 172 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: Bennet of it all. Even Jason Erlick not there's most shocking. 173 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 1: But I was a little surprised. There were a lot 174 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: of people I worked with for decades who are unbelievably 175 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: talented that I thought that their names would be on 176 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: this list. Were even either executive producers or co executive 177 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: producers that aren't there anymore. And that's that again surprises me. Again. 178 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: I'm just speaking from my experience of covering the show. Look, 179 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: I would sit on set for hours to explain you, guys, 180 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: like I would go on what's called a set visit, 181 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: and so that means you sit on the set and 182 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: you wait for hours waiting for the contestants or the 183 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 1: bachelor bachelorette to be available to do an interview. And 184 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 1: during those hours of waiting for when they'd have a 185 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: break in production, I would talk with the producers and 186 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 1: make small talk with them and get to know them 187 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: a little bit. And again, many of them are just 188 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: lovely and talented. Some incredible female producers there by the way. 189 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: And I would hear a lot from producers frustrations that 190 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: they were not getting the chance to move up, that 191 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 1: they were not getting their talent fostered, that they were 192 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: not getting opportunity on the show. So that popped into 193 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: my mind a little bit when I saw that these 194 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 1: other two names, again, I just knew. I mean, I 195 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: covered the show for like six seven years, and there 196 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: are so many other producers who I thought would have 197 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: been in that trio with Bennett, and so I was 198 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: just a little bit surprised by this. And I don't 199 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: really understand why, what it means, or where it comes from. 200 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: It's another strange point of note in this article to me, 201 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: so very mysterious. I think what it leads you to 202 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: believe is that there is more to this story, more 203 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: to this than what was kind of quietly put out 204 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: Tuesday morning, the day after the finale. So there's a 205 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: lot more to talk about when it comes to this. 206 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: I know there's journalists and other people looking into this 207 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: that think there is more smoke where this fire's burning. 208 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: So we'll see, We're gonna wait and see. We'll continue 209 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: to follow it up with you, Chris. We actually had 210 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 1: a direct message. That's a great question, and I'm actually 211 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: curious what the answer is. Did Mike Fleiss hire you? 212 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: And how did he find you? Yeah, it was he 213 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: actually did. Being the creator of the show, he was 214 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: you know, there were others involved, obviously from the network 215 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: in the studio, but yes, he was the first meeting 216 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: I had, and he was essentially the person that had 217 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: to give the final say, just like he does on 218 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: who the Bachelor Bacherette's going to be, etc. So yeah, 219 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: he hired me. And it was really a funny story 220 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: because I did less to get this job as the 221 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: Bachelor host than pretty much any job I had ever 222 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: had in my life. There were you know, usually you'll 223 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 1: have to go in and read or you'll audition, but 224 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 1: there was just this show that was rumored about for 225 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: quite some time, like six to eight months, and I 226 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: had an agent. My agent said, there is this reality 227 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: show and again this is early days, so that didn't 228 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: even mean much. And it's this kind of relationship show 229 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: about dating and it seemed very odd, very weird, and 230 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: all I knew it was from the guy who did 231 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 1: it Who wants to Marry a Millionaire or whatever that 232 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: old Rick Rockwell Darvia Congress show that was on Fox. 233 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: And when the list there was, you know, there's always 234 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: a list in Hollywood. This list got narrowed down, narrowed down, narrowdown. 235 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:48,679 Speaker 1: I ended up on the final four, and they said 236 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: they would like to meet with you. I went in 237 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: and met with Mike and some other executives and the 238 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 1: meeting was horrible. I mean it was a disaster. Mike 239 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: and I hated each other. It was like oil and water. 240 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: Really yeah, it was, I mean the worst meeting hate 241 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: someone in a meeting. What happened? We just we just 242 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: didn't get along, honestly. So, my son Josh had just 243 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: been born. He was like six weeks old. I was 244 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: so tired. I think I probably had spit up on 245 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 1: my jacket. I was just a mess, and so on me. 246 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: I did not put my best face forward. They were 247 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: looking for. What I heard was the guy next door 248 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: kind of that just married, you know, a dad, someone 249 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: who wasn't threatening. Yeah, you know it was interesting. I 250 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: remember you told me they really wanted someone who was married. Yeah, 251 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: and another thing that was in my favor, they wanted 252 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: a no name. A lot of times, what they'll do 253 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: with shows is, oh, we really want a name that'll 254 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: help sell and help promote the show, and so you know, 255 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: it's like, oh, bring in Jimmy Kimmel, will bring in 256 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 1: Jerry Seinfeld or whatever, so that'll help. And they wanted 257 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: an unknown. They didn't want anybody to steal the limelight 258 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: from who the Bachelor bacherette was. Thankfully that played right 259 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: into my hands because I was an absolute nobody. When 260 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: it makes sense they wanted someone married because you're going 261 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: to be around possiful of women. Yeah, they didn't want it. 262 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: I want questions raised or but I did hear later 263 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: it's funny that first season because nobody knew the concept. 264 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: No one knew what the heck was going on, and 265 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: we didn't even really understand how to set up Night one. 266 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: When everyone got out of the limo, there was Alex Michelle, 267 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,239 Speaker 1: the first bachelor, and I stood like twenty feet behind him, 268 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:17,959 Speaker 1: and I heard later, you know, to us, he was obvious, 269 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: but the women, they had no clue. So they got 270 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: out of the limo and the women said, well, I 271 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: don't know who the bachelor, which one is the guy? 272 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: Which dude is it? Yeah? Which one am I supposed 273 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: to be excited about. So that's how it kind of started. 274 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: And then later obviously I was nowhere to be seen 275 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: on the arrivals and all that stuff. We clearly got 276 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: the hint. But that's how it all started. When. But 277 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: so in that meeting, what went wrong? It was just 278 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: we were like oil and water. Realized we were you know, 279 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: I was, you know, buttoned up and my suit and tie, 280 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: you know, hair combed, combed over and you know, typical 281 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: ready for a job interview. And Mike Flice is kind 282 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: of this large man that wears sunglasses indoors and wears 283 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: flip flops and yeah, very la. And so I see 284 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: you were like Texas, We're a college shirt and he 285 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: was like, lam in my flip flop. Yeah. At that 286 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: point in my life, I was fresh off the boat 287 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: from Oklahoma City. So I'm coming out of Oklahoma, Oklahoma City, 288 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: where I'm a newscaster, sportscaster, and I meet this very 289 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: La guy, and I don't get this city. I don't 290 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: get to Hollywood. That's not me it's not my family, 291 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: it's not my life. So we just didn't click at all. 292 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: But bizarrely, I got a call several weeks later that says, 293 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: they want to meet you again, And I said, why 294 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: to continue this joke? Like are they punking me? They 295 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: just want to see how much worse I can be. 296 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: But I went in and flies came out and he 297 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: yelled across the room. He's like, Harrison, you were horrible 298 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: at our first meeting, but I hear you're a good guy. 299 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: Let's do this again. And despite our differences, we hit 300 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: it off and I got the job and the show 301 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: began that spring. That was like in October whatever, November 302 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: two thousand and one, heading into the holidays. And then 303 00:15:57,680 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: that spring of two thousand and two is when we 304 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: started shooting the show and we started the Bachelor franchise. 305 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: But that's how it all began. And so yeah, he 306 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: was he was there from day one. Let's go back 307 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: to the phone lines. Julie's calling in from Sacramento, California. Julie, 308 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: what's on your mind today? Well, I'm wondering your thoughts. 309 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: I've watched this show from the very very beginning, and 310 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: this was the one season that I chose not to 311 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: watch it. I couldn't even record it. Oh wow, why what? What? 312 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: What made you change like that? What made you turn away? 313 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm just bored. I'm bored with that 314 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: super predictable, you know. I mean, I just feel like 315 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 1: I could write the script. Well that's I guess if 316 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: you feel like if if you feel like there is 317 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: a script and there's a format that's repeating itself over 318 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: and over and over, then yeah, that that you know 319 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: is something and you know, look there there is something 320 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: to that of the ratings, you know, being down there. 321 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: This season was again the lowest rated season. Monday Night's 322 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: finale was by far the lowest rated finale in the 323 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: history of the show. And there was something to know 324 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 1: going in and talking to the bachelors or bachelrettes and 325 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: I would say, Okay, we're getting ready to travel or 326 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 1: we're doing this, and there was nothing that they didn't know. 327 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 1: I mean, these people, as you just said, Julie, you 328 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: grew up. You're going to date yourself because you've been 329 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: watching you said from the beginning. That's twenty one years, 330 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: so you've been around as long as I have. Obviously, 331 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 1: it's formulaic and things haven't changed that much in those 332 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:38,479 Speaker 1: two decades, and so the audience, you're not dumb. You 333 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: know what's going on with reality TV, and so yeah, 334 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: when you know what's coming next week and you've seen 335 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: it and done it before, it's hard to watch over 336 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:49,199 Speaker 1: and over. Well, I think what you were alluding to, 337 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 1: Babe by Julie, how are you? I think what maybe 338 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: you were alluding to, though, is the idea, like you 339 00:17:57,680 --> 00:17:59,640 Speaker 1: just mentioned, when you would go in and people would 340 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: know what was coming. I do. It's interesting. A couple 341 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:04,679 Speaker 1: of years ago we started talking as I was covering 342 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: the show about how you know, and I think everybody 343 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: felt there's this problem with people wanting to come on 344 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,120 Speaker 1: the show just to be influencers, Like they know they're 345 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 1: going to come on the show and they're going to 346 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: get a certain following out of it, and so that 347 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: takes away that genuine desire for love and makes it 348 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: all seem fakeer and kind of gets them in their 349 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 1: heads on the way they're being on the show. I 350 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 1: think now what you have. An addition to that issue 351 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: is that people auditioning for the show have grown up 352 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: watching the show, so they know the formula inside and out. 353 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:38,360 Speaker 1: It's like when you you know, when you've like prepared 354 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,640 Speaker 1: and studied for a test, you know, they just know 355 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: what's coming. They're like, oh, here's where hometowns are going 356 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 1: to happen, or here's where the travel is going to 357 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 1: get announced now, And I wonder if that's contributing to 358 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 1: the boringness of it. But Julie, what do you think 359 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: what's turning you off about it at this point? Well, okay, 360 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: here's I mean, let's again dating myself, so twenty one years, 361 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 1: I'm almost fifty four, so I mean I feel like 362 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: an old lady. I'm watching girls that would be my 363 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: daughter's age, So that could be part of it too, 364 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 1: that it's just not interesting anymore at my age. That's 365 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: a demographic change, right, Well, Julie, whatever. First of all, 366 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: I think fifty four is you're a young as young 367 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 1: spring chicken to me. But I mean because I'm look, 368 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 1: I'm in the same boat as you, not from the 369 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 1: aspect of watching somebody who's twenty five. But I from 370 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: the very beginning of covering the show, I always struggled with, like, actually, 371 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 1: if you go back, babe, the very first Bachelor was 372 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 1: in his early thirties, right, he was like thirty one, 373 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,120 Speaker 1: thirty two. Yeah, I believe Alex was. Yeah, I think 374 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: he was thirty thirty one. I think this bachelor's twenty six. Maybe. 375 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 1: I've struggled for years with covering. I know it's not 376 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 1: that many years of a difference, but there is something 377 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,679 Speaker 1: very different about where you're at and how ready you 378 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 1: really are to get engaged at like twenty people. I'm 379 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 1: not saying person a person, it could be different, but overall, 380 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: I've struggled for years with twenty four, twenty five year 381 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,159 Speaker 1: olds versus thirty two thirty three year olds. I think 382 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: are in a very different place, and I do think 383 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:10,880 Speaker 1: that genuineness has been missing from how young the contestants 384 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,439 Speaker 1: on the show have continued to get over the years. Julie, 385 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: thank you so much for your call, and I'm sorry 386 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,479 Speaker 1: you lost one of the great loves of your life 387 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 1: in this show. I'm glad we were there for you 388 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,239 Speaker 1: for so many years, but it is it's tough when 389 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: you when you kind of wake up and realize this 390 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: doesn't do it for me anymore, and then you got 391 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:30,360 Speaker 1: to go find that new thing. And so I hope 392 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: you I hope you find the new loves. Thanks Julie. Elsie, 393 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: you had a good point you brought up to me 394 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: the other day because you mentioned something that just struck 395 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,479 Speaker 1: with me about the influencers and people that came on 396 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: the show, and you noticed how that's changed dramatically as 397 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: far as their impressions and their involvedment. Oh yeah, this 398 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,400 Speaker 1: was well, we were just talking about. I look, I'll 399 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: be honest, I haven't watched the show since you left. 400 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: I had not looked up anybody on social media from 401 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 1: the show in a why And I was just curious 402 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: because I did see the headline this week that it 403 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: was once again, I mean honestly, every season since you've left, 404 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: it's been the lowest rated show, the new lowest ratings 405 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: that there's been. And then I saw a headline when 406 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: they announced Mike Flice's leaving. There was some headline like 407 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: is this the beginning of the end for the Bachelor? 408 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 1: And I was just curious, and I went and looked 409 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:28,439 Speaker 1: at the instagrams of the leaving bachelor and the leaving 410 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 1: the exiting woman then he picked and the new Bachelorette. Yeah, 411 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 1: I looked at the new Bachelorette and the guy the 412 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 1: Bachelor leaving the show, I think when I looked, had 413 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:45,479 Speaker 1: one hundred and forty thousand Instagram followers, And that spoke 414 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: volumes to me because it used to be a million. 415 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 1: It used to be one. You would leave the show 416 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 1: as the lead with about a million followers, typically pretty 417 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 1: much a week after we announced you were the Bachelor 418 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: of the Bachelorette, you'd be at almost a million already 419 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: before your season for guys who guys get much less 420 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: following than women do, the vecherettes blow up even more. 421 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: But I mean one hundred and forty thousand followers that 422 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: and then I thought, you know, maybe I'm maybe the 423 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: following is happening on TikTok now. And then I went 424 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: on looked on TikTok, and I could be wrong if 425 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 1: I was looking at the wrong account, but I think 426 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: he had five thousand followers on TikTok. Five thousand. Like 427 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 1: that's wild to me, because I do think that probably 428 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: what the show has been saying over the years the 429 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 1: past year or so is like, well, the ratings are down, 430 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 1: but like the streaming numbers are up, but if people 431 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 1: are watching it on streaming and still loving it, then 432 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 1: they would still be going and following these people on 433 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 1: social media and that is not happening. Yeah, it makes 434 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,640 Speaker 1: you kind of go back to a point we made 435 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 1: weeks ago, which is the social relevance is just not there. 436 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: But you know who is there? Abby from Cleveland, Ohio 437 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: is here with us on the line, Abbe, what's going on? Hi, guys? 438 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: I love you guys both so much. I literally have 439 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:01,919 Speaker 1: The Bachelor and in the background, but I have it 440 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 1: on mute because honestly, I kind of want to echo 441 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: what you guys were saying about, like how this season 442 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 1: just hasn't been as great. I definitely like feel the 443 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: same way like I feel like it hasn't been I 444 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: don't know, it's not the same since Chris left. I 445 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: think that's pretty obvious. But yeah, it's just not been 446 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,679 Speaker 1: like as good in my opinion. Well, it's interesting, is 447 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: there something in particular? Abby? Well, so I love that 448 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 1: it's now your background. It's like CNN at the airport. 449 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 1: It's just on a TV, just playing. But you know, 450 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 1: I saw you know, stories written and social media, you know, 451 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: saying that this was a snooze fest and people were 452 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: bored by it. But I'm curious because I don't watch. 453 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: I haven't watched since I left. Is there something in 454 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: particular you feel has changed? Is there a tangible just 455 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: reason why it has now means less to you? I 456 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: think I honestly have a hard time like pinpointing. But 457 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: I think the last season I really enjoyed was probably 458 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: Um Pilot Pizza. That was great television. Yes, I don't 459 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: I don't know like what it is in particular, but 460 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 1: it just it's dropped off for me a little bit, 461 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: like I don't know, And I really think it has 462 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 1: a lot to do with you, Chris, like leaving, but 463 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 1: maybe just maybe it's bar Yeah, we all miss Bart, 464 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: you know, maybe she was the key to this whole show. 465 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 1: I think you I think I would agree with you, Abby, 466 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: But yeah, those couple of seasons there was a run 467 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 1: there with like Hannah, Colton and Peter where there were 468 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: some major moments. You just had TV moments, Colton jumping 469 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 1: the fence, Barb, Hannah and Luke and her moving that 470 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 1: pedestal away from him at the Rose ceremony, Like those 471 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: moments so stick in my mind, and that was really 472 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: good television. I just love that. I'll never forget stating 473 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: there and Hannah just picking up the entire rose pedestal, which, 474 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,439 Speaker 1: by the way, was it very light and while like 475 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: I'm taking my ball and going home. Yes, that was brilliant. 476 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: But yeah, those were epic seasons. Do you have a question? 477 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: My question for you, Chris was what season of The 478 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: Bachelor was your favorite to work on? Well, the way 479 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,199 Speaker 1: you kind of articulated that question is very interesting. My 480 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: favorite to work on is a great question, because it's 481 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: not my favorite season per se. The one I enjoyed 482 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 1: working on the most, honestly, would have to do with 483 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 1: my kids. Most of the major events on The Bachelor 484 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: I can relate to my children. My son was born 485 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: when I got the job, and my daughter was born. 486 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,880 Speaker 1: I'll never forget it was right around Tristan and Ryan's 487 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:45,360 Speaker 1: wedding and Meredith season of The Bachelorette was wrapping up, 488 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: and so I remember my kids being born on this show, 489 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 1: growing up on this show, traveling with me. They lived 490 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: with me in Paris, they lived with me in Italy, 491 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: and so those of the season's early days, when you know, 492 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: it was more about walking down to the Trucadero and 493 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: getting as my kids called a crape, a chocolate taco 494 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,199 Speaker 1: and sitting there and watching the Eiffel Tower light up 495 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 1: at night. And so those are the nights and the 496 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: seasons that meant the most to me, and I guess 497 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:13,439 Speaker 1: I would go further. There are seasons where I just 498 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: met dear, dear friends, people that are now a part 499 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 1: of my life, our life as Elzie sitting here, like 500 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: Andrew Firestone, Bob Guiney, Trista, Joejoe like. There's people that 501 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,360 Speaker 1: came into my life, Ben Higgins, you know, and I'm 502 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 1: forgetting many. But those are all special seasons to me 503 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 1: that I really enjoyed working on. Some you know, weren't 504 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: as fun as others, but it's work, just like everybody 505 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,640 Speaker 1: else's job. There were some seasons that were tougher than 506 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,360 Speaker 1: others to get through. Yeah, absolutely, I love hearing that. 507 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: That's so cool that your kids got to travel and 508 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 1: everything too. That's awesome it was, and to watch them 509 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: grow up under that was pretty good. And by the way, 510 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 1: thanks to all the teachers out there, because I, you know, 511 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: would allow us to say, hey, by the way, we're 512 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 1: leaving this week again, can you just send the homework 513 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 1: with us? And so we got a lot of support 514 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: back home. But Abby, I appreciate Collin and thank you 515 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: for listening. And I hope you find love either in 516 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 1: this show or a new show soon. Yeah, I hope. 517 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:22,479 Speaker 1: So thanks Abby. We're gonna go to Katie in Ben Higgins' 518 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,880 Speaker 1: home state of Indiana. She's up next. Hey Katie, Hi, 519 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,920 Speaker 1: Oh thanks, I'll just take you quick. Um, it's nice 520 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,640 Speaker 1: to be on the found you guys. Cool. I love 521 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: looking to your podcast. Um. I just had a question, 522 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 1: would you ever consider going back to the Bachelor now 523 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 1: that there are new producers involved? Great question, Katie, great question. 524 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,679 Speaker 1: I said this before when the rumors came out that 525 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: were swirling several weeks ago about ABC or whoever the 526 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,919 Speaker 1: network talking about bringing me back or asking me to 527 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: come back, and I said at that time, never say never. 528 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,679 Speaker 1: But I also said at that time there were some 529 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,880 Speaker 1: things that would have to happen. And it's not just financially. 530 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 1: There are things that would have to change and things 531 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: that would have to happen. I can say one of 532 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: those things has happened. One of those things, one of 533 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 1: the biggest hurdles, has now happened. Now does that mean 534 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 1: I want to go back or would not necessarily? I 535 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: love my time on the show, and I liken it 536 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: to a relationship. It's not necessarily a great idea to 537 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: go back into a relationship because you just remember the 538 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 1: fun great things about it. There were some bad things 539 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: that you obviously got away from that were toxic and bad, 540 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: or there wouldn't have been a breakup in the first place. 541 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: So again, I never you know, as my mom taught me, 542 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 1: I'll never say never. But that has you know. Things 543 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: things change in life, things can change. Well, you have 544 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: been my favorite host, and when you asked, I was 545 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: definitely sad, and I've watched a few season then, but 546 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: I agree with everyone else. I think you've been the 547 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 1: best post. Thank you, Katie. I appreciate it. And there 548 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 1: there was one other part of your question that I 549 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 1: will finish, um, because you mentioned about working for different 550 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: producers because there are new producers. Well, two of them 551 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: I actually know very well, and they're both I would 552 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: consider friends of mine, and that is Jason and Bennett. 553 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: Bennet and I have worked together for many years. We 554 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: still talk and text and Um he's a good man 555 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: and a good producer, and so is Jason and Um 556 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: Jason actually met his wife on the show. His wife 557 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 1: was a bachelorette on Doctor Travis Storks season and it 558 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: was a contestant on the show, and they it was 559 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: it didn't and by the way, nothing there was nothing nefarious. 560 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,719 Speaker 1: Let me just clean this up. Nothing nefarious. Nothing happened 561 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 1: while they were on the show. It was much later 562 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: that they reconnected and fell in love and got married, 563 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: and they'd been married for quite some time. But you know, 564 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 1: Jason and Bennett and I know, um the woman they 565 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: brought down from Bachelor Canada, I don't know, but obviously 566 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: they feel like she can do the job. So it 567 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: really wouldn't be that strange. As far as going back 568 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 1: to people, I don't know, but Katie, thank you. I 569 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: appreciate it. All right, Thank you guys so much. I 570 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: hope you guys have a wonderful day. Thank you you too. 571 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,959 Speaker 1: God bless And let's go to Lisa, coming in from Tennessee. 572 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: We've been all over the map today. Hi Lisa, what's 573 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: your question? Hi guys, go first? Oh okay, so huge, 574 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: huge fan of both y'all. Thank Jim oh. I love 575 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: your accent. Lisa. We have what for the beginning from 576 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 1: the first season and actually Chris since I'm always going 577 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: to be fans. He called me one day and said, 578 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: you know, you should meet him. I'm married, so she 579 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 1: sometimes said a good fans. She's like, you should be 580 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 1: on he loves to be a millionaire. You can't be 581 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: on the bat Flare. So I was on with you. 582 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: I was a contestant on your show, No Way, and yeah, 583 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: I met you in the Beginner's Luck week. Do you 584 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: remember that one that the contestants who had never been 585 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: to Vega? I was. I say, so, we're talking Vegas 586 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 1: because I shot. I shot in Connecticut one year, so 587 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: you you were during the Vegas year and we had 588 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 1: beginners Luckily. Yeah, where we did a I think it 589 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 1: was a tie in with Caesar's or whoever it was, 590 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: and so yeah, we brought people in put you up. 591 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 1: Yeah I do remember that. That's that's amazing. How do 592 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 1: you do, by the way, did? I did pretty well? 593 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: But I see what I remember about you. You were 594 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: just as nice and sweet in person as I thought 595 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: you'd be. And I know how it sounds that I 596 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: met other celebrities and that's not always the case. Well, 597 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 1: thank you, that's why you know you were exactly you 598 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 1: were the Chris Harrison that I saw The Bachelor, and 599 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: I think, actually, I've been listening and you were talking 600 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 1: about what the show's lacking. I remember our conversation. I 601 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: remember you asking me questions in between us, you know, 602 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 1: tasting the show, where I was from, what was my job, 603 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 1: you know, the colleagues that I taught out at the time, 604 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: and you were very focused and I think there's a 605 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 1: lack of that. Nothing against Jessey, but I think when 606 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 1: you talked to contestant, you were focused on them and 607 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: very authentic, and I think that's what it is lacking. 608 00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: I really do thank you. Lisa's part of what you 609 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 1: brought to But I do have a question for you. 610 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: Oh yes, please um since you yeah, since you found 611 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: love after divorce, as have I, because you know, the 612 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: Bators different. Everybody out here looking for love is you know, 613 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 1: in their twenties or thirties, you go out of viewers. 614 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: Fortunately I found love too, so I'm happily married, just 615 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 1: like you guys are going to be. But haven't said that? 616 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: What advoss would you give for your viewers who are 617 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: in their forties and haven't to navigate being single again? 618 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 1: Because there's a completely different dating world as you know, um, 619 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 1: you know, when it's been you know, ten twenty years 620 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: since you've been out there. For me, I guess my 621 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 1: advice because this is what I did. Find your own 622 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 1: lane and find your own speed, and it's not a 623 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: one size fits all, and it's up to you to 624 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 1: make it your priority. And I do think you have 625 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: to treat it a bit a little bit like a job. 626 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 1: If you're going to date, it has to be something 627 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 1: that's important to you to go put yourself out there 628 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: in whatever arena that is. If you want to try 629 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 1: the apps, if you want to try it, that's fine. 630 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 1: But maybe you're a different type of person and you 631 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: want to just try and meet someone at church, or 632 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: you want to meet someone in a church group or 633 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 1: something different in that regard. So find your speed in 634 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: your lane and go with that. Because it's what works 635 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: for Lisa is not what's going to work for me. 636 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 1: It's not what's going to work for Elz and Elza. 637 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 1: You weren't married for twenty years, but you had to 638 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 1: do the same thing. You had to get back out 639 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 1: there in this modern age and you had to decide. Well, 640 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 1: when you just said treat it like a job, I'm 641 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 1: a theater kid, and I always made it made the 642 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 1: analogy of you've got to like do rehearsals, you know, 643 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 1: I think that I think it can be a really 644 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 1: intimidating thing to start dating again. But I would just 645 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: tell myself, look, what am I really going to lose 646 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 1: if I go out on this date and it amounts 647 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 1: to nothing, you know, nothing really like, Okay, I had 648 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: a date, it didn't work out. It doesn't reflect on me. 649 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: It just means we weren't a good match. I think 650 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 1: a lot of the time people take rejection personally it's 651 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: very hard not to. But I looked at it as 652 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: you're just trying to find the right Finn, and we 653 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 1: weren't the right Finn, and that's okay, And you just 654 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 1: kind of have to know you're going to have to 655 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 1: get those reps in to find that right person. You 656 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,719 Speaker 1: are going to have rejection. You are going to have 657 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: dates that go bad because you've got to get your 658 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,440 Speaker 1: rehearsals or your practices in before you find that new 659 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,799 Speaker 1: right person again. You think about how long you were married, Well, 660 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:20,319 Speaker 1: it's going to take a little while to get back 661 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,759 Speaker 1: in the dating pool again. So don't be discouraged and 662 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: It's just as important to know what you don't like 663 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 1: and what you don't want out of love and life 664 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:28,799 Speaker 1: as it is to know what you do want. And 665 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 1: the only way you know what you don't like is 666 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,439 Speaker 1: to find out, and that's going on dates. And look, 667 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 1: those bad dates, they made for good stories that I 668 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: still tell to this day. And I'm sure many of 669 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 1: those women tell stories about our first date and how 670 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 1: bad it was. Well, Lisa, I appreciate the time. And 671 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 1: by the way, I'm so glad you found love. Oh okay, 672 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,359 Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, and congrats. I can't wait to 673 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 1: see this wedding. And I'm so happy for you guys. Lisa, 674 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 1: thank you. What a sweetheart. Thank you. From Tennessee, let's 675 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,799 Speaker 1: drop down to Florida. Sarah Sarah, Hi, you just might 676 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 1: be the final call tonight, so the pressure is on. No, Sarah, 677 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:12,359 Speaker 1: how are you doing? I'm great? How are you phenomenal? 678 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,400 Speaker 1: I just have a smile on my face, honestly because 679 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 1: I'm just talking to listeners and I enjoy this, Elsie 680 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 1: and I love this. Oh, that's so wonderful. And your relationship, 681 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 1: this seems so beautiful. You and Laurence seem so happy 682 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 1: and I'm happy that you seem happy. I've been watching 683 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: The Bachelor since the very beginning and you starting this 684 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 1: podcast has been so therapeutic for me because I've been 685 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:46,319 Speaker 1: going through just sadness and withdrawal not watching you on 686 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,479 Speaker 1: the show, as I'm sure there are many fans who 687 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 1: have felt that way. And Katie brushed John what I 688 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,279 Speaker 1: was going to ask you, you know, how do we 689 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 1: get Chris to come back? And whether you even want 690 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 1: to or not. You know, I can tell that you've 691 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 1: made a peace with a lot of what's happened. But 692 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,320 Speaker 1: my question was going to be, as a fan base, 693 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 1: is there anything that we could do to our love 694 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,359 Speaker 1: for Chris Harris? And first of all, Sarah, those are 695 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 1: unbelievably kind words, and thank you. I have found peace 696 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 1: and that is the best thing you can say about 697 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,959 Speaker 1: me and about this whole thing that's happened and going 698 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 1: through this process as I am one piece and this 699 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,279 Speaker 1: podcast has been cathartic for me just as much as 700 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 1: it has apparently for you, and being able to come 701 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,279 Speaker 1: out here and connect again and talk and it has 702 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:45,359 Speaker 1: kind of reignited the fire, and so to go maybe 703 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 1: a little bit further on a question I answered earlier 704 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,720 Speaker 1: from Katie about coming back. You know, coming back doesn't 705 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:56,920 Speaker 1: necessarily mean it has to be on the Bachelor or Bachelorette, 706 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 1: and maybe there's a better way, Maybe there's a new way, 707 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 1: and so I'll leave it at that for now. I 708 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 1: want to thank everybody who took the time to call 709 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 1: in today. Truly appreciate talking to you. That's what this 710 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:12,920 Speaker 1: whole show is all about. It's what the podcast is 711 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,400 Speaker 1: all about. As one of our callers said, just reconnecting, 712 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 1: a chance for all of us to be together and 713 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:24,000 Speaker 1: speaking of this show obviously is for you. So I'm 714 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,440 Speaker 1: curious who would you like to hear and see on 715 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,280 Speaker 1: the show. If you have a suggestion of a guest 716 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,760 Speaker 1: that you would like me to bring on to interview 717 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,720 Speaker 1: to talk to, let me know, leave it the comments below. 718 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:41,320 Speaker 1: Go to our Instagram page at the Most Dramatic Pod 719 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,239 Speaker 1: Ever and let us know your thoughts and you can 720 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,440 Speaker 1: always leave your questions and comments there as well. Again, 721 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,360 Speaker 1: thank you so much. We will continue to follow the 722 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,719 Speaker 1: big story out of The Bachelor as well, because I 723 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,359 Speaker 1: think there's a lot more to be said out of that. 724 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,920 Speaker 1: But in the meantime, thank you for listening. And I'll 725 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,759 Speaker 1: talk to you next time because we have a lot 726 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 1: more to talk about. Thanks for listening. Follow us on 727 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,520 Speaker 1: Instagram at the most Dramatic pod Ever, and make sure 728 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,720 Speaker 1: to write us a review and leave us five stars. 729 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:10,239 Speaker 1: I'll talk to you next time.