1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome 2 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: back to the show, Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always 3 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: so much for tuning in. Let's give it up for 4 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:40,520 Speaker 1: the one and only super producer, Mr Max Williams. Hooray, hooray. 5 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: I love the energy here on a wonderful summer Monday morning. 6 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: Uh they called me Ben. Uh No. I don't know 7 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: about you, but one of the questions that I get 8 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: asked so often when I'm traveling around, when I'm speaking 9 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: to groups is how did you end up becoming a podcaster? 10 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: And I know about you, man, but I've been doing 11 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: this long enough that when I'm being honest with people, 12 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: I just sort of got into it. I just was 13 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 1: in the right place at the right time. I just 14 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: kind of happening just one day. It's kind of started 15 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: talking and then I just never stopped, and eventually I 16 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: just put a mic in front of me and other 17 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: people to kind of talk with uh. And it became 18 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: a weird little career. You know. Um, that's not true. 19 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: It's an oversimplification at best. Now. I mean, like, you know, 20 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: my background was in your backgrounds obviously, and lots of 21 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: things including writing and and theater and performance and all that. 22 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: But it's just I think we both found our way 23 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: through various circuitous paths to this podcast life. Um, but 24 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: it's you know, I think sometimes it's easy to sell 25 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: yourself short and be like, oh, I just stumbled my 26 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: way into it. But little choices that we've made throughout 27 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: the years I think have led to the uh, the 28 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: natural results of being podcasters. But lucky to have been 29 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: able to make a go of it. It doesn't it 30 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: seems like it's a thing that we can depend on, 31 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: I suppose. So thanks to that. Thanks to you all, 32 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: because you're you're really our bosses. I U. It's funny 33 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 1: you mentioned this because it occurred to me. Oh, we 34 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: were researching today's episode, which is a fun when it 35 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:22,519 Speaker 1: occurred to me that now it's quite possible that there 36 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 1: are children, maybe in the audience today who think I 37 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: want to be a podcaster when I grow up, you know. 38 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: And also, kids, you don't have to wait until you 39 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 1: grow up. You can you can start your own show 40 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: when whenever you would like. We'd love to hear about it. 41 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: But this is kind of an entry point for us 42 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: because if you ask many, many people, then you will 43 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: find that most people are happy with what they're doing right, 44 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: whether it's a career, um, whether it's their romantic or 45 00:02:55,800 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: social situation, they're often happy. But they didn't picked it 46 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 1: back in the early days. You know, It's it's pretty 47 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 1: rare for someone to say, yes, I am the world's 48 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: premier hang glider and I knew I wanted to be 49 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: the world's best hang glider guy, lady person entity. Uh 50 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,839 Speaker 1: since I was a wee tyke and saw my first 51 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: paper airplane. That's really rare, right, Like, do you know 52 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: anybody who you know, since they were six years old 53 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: said I want to be uh shoemaker? No, I mean, well, 54 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: you know Daniel Daniel day Lewis sort of pivoted from 55 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: acting to shoemaking, which I thought was pretty cool. Um. Yeah, 56 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: it's definitely rare, but man, when it happens, it clicks 57 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: like that. I'm always really jealous of those people with 58 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: that level of like forethought, um, because you know, I've 59 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: done everything from you know, working music stores too, like 60 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: I were. I think my first taste of performance, I 61 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: guess was playing in bands rock bands, but then I 62 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: also worked at a science center where I did like 63 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: science kind of shows, for kids, which is the closest 64 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: thing to podcasting. Well, it's not sure that I did 65 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: like public radio stuff. My point is this, you think 66 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: about an Abraham Lincoln, you think about him, you know, 67 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: being the president, the guy on the five, you know, 68 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: the guy with the stovepipe hat, the guy that you know, 69 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: in his own way, was very very instrumental in liberating 70 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:23,799 Speaker 1: uh slaves us exactly correct. Yeah, but you don't necessarily 71 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: think of a well what about before that? You think 72 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 1: he's kind of popped out fully formed as this like 73 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: cartoon president, But he had some trials and tribulations and 74 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 1: things that that led him to that you know, final 75 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: result of of being what he ultimately became. And it's 76 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 1: not what you think, As is the case for all 77 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: the others that we're gonna talk through today, We've got 78 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: a handful. It's kind of a fun grab bag episode 79 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: about surprising former careers and rather than tease all of them, 80 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: let's just dive right into Lincoln. What do you said? Yeah, 81 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: let's do it, and we hope this is inspiring. We also, uh, 82 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: we might make this a series. We're on the fence. 83 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: We just found so much style here. Yeah, here are 84 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: a few so Lincoln is now known, as he said, Noel, 85 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 1: as a president of the United States. That's one of 86 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 1: the that's one of his big wins in history. If 87 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:15,359 Speaker 1: you ask the average person to name presidents throughout history, 88 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: Lincoln's name will inevitably come up, often right after whomever 89 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 1: the current president is. Everybody kind of knows about him. 90 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 1: He's also well known outside of the US, And of 91 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: course people don't talk about Lincoln without talking about the 92 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: Civil War and his assassination at the hands of John 93 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 1: Wilkes booth right, who said thus to all tyrants. But 94 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 1: back in the day, when he was just a young 95 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 1: string being, he was known less his presidential material and 96 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 1: more as a professional wrestler, true story, that's his background. Man, 97 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 1: he's it's all drink of water. That guy would isn't 98 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: typically what you would associate with a wrestler. But think 99 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: about that reach, right, and those and those those those 100 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: meat hooks, those bear claws. He could slap a man 101 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:12,599 Speaker 1: senseless with those hams. He's got the reach for sure. 102 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 1: And you know, it's common for people in high levels 103 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: of political power, at least in democracies, to have varied careers. 104 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: There's a great study I wanted to find it. I'll 105 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: have to look for this after we record. There's this 106 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: great study about the proportion of backgrounds for leaders in 107 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 1: different countries. Like a lot of political leaders in the 108 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 1: government of China came from an engineering background. A lot 109 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: of political leaders in the US come from a illegal background. Right, 110 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 1: they are attorneys where they have clerked somewhere. He was 111 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 1: kind of a country boy, wasn't he, Like, I mean, 112 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: he has really kind of assault of the earth, you know, 113 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: lived in a maybe I'll well, there was the there 114 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: was that the Titstione or Lincoln Log cabin. Right, he 115 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 1: did live in two somewhat rustic surroundings, and I'm not mistaken. Yeah, 116 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: he didn't have the best childhood. He moved around various 117 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: parts of the U. S heartland from uh he was 118 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: born in Kentucky, and he moved to Indiana and until Illinois, 119 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: and his his mom passed away when he was nine. 120 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: It was rough, but he he succeeded despite the adversity 121 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: to become a super super like super good wrestler. And 122 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: this is real wrestling. They're actually graspling sort of what 123 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: you might consider like Olympic style Greco Roman wrestling. Where 124 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: you're like kind of on the ground. Paul pretzeled up 125 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: with Era with your opponents. Yeah, and this we should say. 126 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: Other presidents did have careers that might surprise you. James 127 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: Garfield taught school, Rover Cleveland was a sheriff. Herbert Hoover 128 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: was an engineer. But we chose Lincoln because of the wrestling. 129 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: So what you would basically do with this This isn't like, um, 130 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: this isn't like the high production value wrestling that you 131 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: see on pay per view. It's not like the Undertaker 132 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: comes in with a song and all these props and stuff. No, 133 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: these this wrestling is when two guys enter the ring, 134 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: they lock arms, they get the call to go, and 135 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: they just try to throw the other guy to the ground. 136 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: And Lincoln's record is astonishing three wins, he lost once. 137 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:32,959 Speaker 1: Who was that guy? Do we know? Who was that guy? What? 138 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:38,439 Speaker 1: We we didn't know until we got ready for this episode. 139 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: On April twenty second two, future President Abraham Lincoln got 140 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: his key star handed to him. He was thrown down 141 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: twice in a row by a guy named Lorenzo dow 142 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:55,559 Speaker 1: Thompson hank to his friends, but every other time Lincoln 143 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,959 Speaker 1: like dominated you know, it's funny. I actually was hanging 144 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: out with with day, my my girlfriend, and and my 145 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: kid last night, and I don't remember how it came up, 146 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: but I decided to like pull up like wrestling trash 147 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 1: talk videos like compilations, because man, that is some fun 148 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:17,959 Speaker 1: theatrical shenanigans like the Rock for example, he you know, he, 149 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: I think he popularized calling people jabronies, you know, and 150 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: and I believe Candy asked things like that. But he 151 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: does this weird thing where he does he asks if 152 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 1: people can smell la la la, what the rock is cooking? 153 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: I don't understand what that's a reference to. Is it? 154 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: Is it a crack thing cooking rocks? He what is 155 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: he cooking? And why? Why does he want able to 156 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 1: smell it? It's you know, don't don't break your heart 157 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: trying to overthink the mythology. That's what that's. That's like 158 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: what I found out the Undertaker didn't have superpowers. It's 159 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: another confusing one. Austin three sixteen. There isn't that, But 160 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 1: isn't there not an Austin? Like no, sorry, of course, 161 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: the there's no book of Austin. It's yeah, and what 162 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: is that we know we can find uh it's it's 163 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: supposed to be a flip of the chapter of the 164 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: verse that says, for God so loved the world that 165 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in 166 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:22,439 Speaker 1: him should not perish, but have everlasting life. That's the 167 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: King's James version. And I never understood the Austin three 168 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: sixteen part. But people trying to appeal to Christians? Is 169 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: that the deal like to the to the I don't know. 170 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:39,359 Speaker 1: I feel like it's more something the fans started, not him. 171 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't get it either. But okay, here 172 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: we go. Okay, let's hear it. Okay, I I found it. 173 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,599 Speaker 1: So I'm not an expert on wrestling, so I was 174 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 1: looking this up. Apparently it dates back to UH nine 175 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 1: six King of the Ring event where Austin took the 176 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: win by fighting a guy named Jake the Snake Roberts, 177 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 1: who at the time was born again Christian and so 178 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: he uh so, when Austin won, he mocked roberts newfound 179 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: spiritual beliefs and then said, basically, I guess he said 180 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: more like Austin three sixteen, and the crowd went wild. 181 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:22,599 Speaker 1: Oh man, and I would like to submit an interpretive 182 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: reading of the passage with a little twist for God 183 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 1: so loved the world that he gave his only son 184 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: that whoever believes in him should not perish in the 185 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:47,959 Speaker 1: seal right now, And that's not enough. Feat. I don't 186 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: know how big an octagon ring is, but you get 187 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 1: the idea, you get the sentiments. Yeah, I like it. 188 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: Here's his exact quote, and then we'll get back to 189 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:06,439 Speaker 1: the actual show. You sit there anywhere, talk about young, 190 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: talk about John as with your affect. Yeah, okay. All 191 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: this to say, all this to say is that this 192 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 1: stuff is is isn't is captivating. You can talk trash 193 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: about this kind of professional wrestling all you want, but 194 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: when you really start digging into it, even like on 195 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: a casual level, it's a lot of fun. And then 196 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: and you know, of course, knowing full well that what 197 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: we're talking about is completely theater. The stuff with Lincoln 198 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: was in theater. I mean that was like a real 199 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: you know, feats of strength and and and competition, but 200 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 1: that also contained a healthy amount of trash talking and Lincoln, 201 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: you know, compared to what we've just been going through, 202 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: Lincoln's is a real doozy and would it be I 203 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: would love to see a Lincoln ask w W E 204 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 1: wrestler that only spoke this flavor of trash talk, how 205 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:00,079 Speaker 1: did it go? He goes, I think there's one for 206 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 1: each of us. I'm the big buck of this lick. 207 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 1: If any of you want to try it, come on 208 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: and whit your horns. Yeah, I want to see I 209 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: want to see those re enactments. I want us. I 210 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: want us to do a TV show and do this, 211 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: so and and Lincoln could back up the trash talk. 212 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: In almost a hundred and thirty years after he's killed 213 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: in Ford Theater, the National Wrestling Hall of Fame adds him, 214 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: and he is actually not the only US president who 215 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: is in the National Wrestling Hall of Fame. There are 216 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: three others, Teddy Roosevelt that makes sense, Rough Riders, William 217 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: Howard Taft, and George Washington. Lincoln, by the way, is 218 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: only like twenty one when he becomes the wrestling champion 219 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:55,959 Speaker 1: of the county. We do know a little bit about 220 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 1: his notable matches, and he was living kind of wild, 221 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. If social media was around, 222 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: this would have come up, his lifestyle would have come 223 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 1: up in the debates. I think that's right, Ben, I 224 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:10,959 Speaker 1: think that's definitely right. But thankfully all we I am sorry, 225 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 1: but I thought there was another quote of his that 226 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: we could we could that you could do a reading of. 227 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: But I think there was only that one. I even 228 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: went and looked further. But that really is the one 229 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: that that that rises to the top of Lincoln wrestling history. 230 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: But again, to your point, we probably have a whole 231 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: hell of a lot more than that, if only there 232 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: were smartphones and twitters back then. But alas I those 233 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: have to imagine the other amazing gems that Lincoln would 234 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: have would have come out with in the ring. Yeah, 235 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: and he had those opportunities, ample opportunities to talk some smack. 236 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: We wanted to know chew other of Lincoln's matches. This is, 237 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: by the way, before he has the iconic beard and hat. 238 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: And I'm just gonna give you a heads up, folks, 239 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: if you have known the guy only through the pictures 240 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: of him with the beard, get ready for, get ready for? 241 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: Is something different. He doesn't look bad. It's just it's 242 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: really surprising anyway. So it's like when Alex Trabec shaved 243 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: his mustache. I think I think it took all or 244 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: it's like when you meet a little kid for the 245 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: first time if you're wearing a hat and then you're 246 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: not wearing a hat. This happens with dogs sometimes too, 247 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: they're like very much. So. So Lincoln has to fight 248 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: this guy named Jack Armstrong. Jack Armstrong has a posse. 249 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: He is in charge of this gang basically called Claire's 250 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: Grove Boys. Uh, and they're known throughout New Salem, Illinois 251 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: as these guys who show up to the county to drink, 252 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: talk trash and play around. And Armstrong heard, Hey, this 253 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: Lincoln kid is a beast in the wrestling ring, and 254 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: Armstrong took that, took that as a challenge, so he 255 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: went to fight Lincoln and Lincoln one yep, and uh. 256 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: We don't really have any specifics on how that match 257 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: went down, but we know that Lincoln wrestled for twelve 258 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: years total before moving on and after that became much 259 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: more of a military man and obviously began to dabble 260 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: in politics, which began at the tender age of twenty three. 261 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: So he must have gotten to start wrestling. Yeah, he was. 262 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: He was a teenager. I mean I think he there 263 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: was a little bit of crossover between the wrestling Lincoln 264 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: and the military slash political Lincoln. Yeah. So after he 265 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: has this match with Armstrong, he knocks Armstrong around and 266 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: ultimately knocks Armstrong out, but they become friends, and because 267 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: he's friends with the leader of Clary's Grove Boys, he 268 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: gets fewer challenges and this is still thought of as 269 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: his most impressive win ever. His second one we already 270 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: talked about, which is the when he loses to Hank Thompson. Uh. 271 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: He does this, as you noted, during military service. He's 272 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: a volunteer in the eighteen thirty two Black Hawk War, 273 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 1: and then he wrestles for twelve more years. As we noted, 274 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: he's still wrestling when he gets into politics at the 275 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: age of twenty three. He runs for the Illinois General 276 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: Assembly and I guess at least partially based on his 277 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: fame as a wrestler, and he wins, he gets elected, 278 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 1: and from that point on he says, Okay, I gotta 279 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: focus just on politics. You know. It's really interesting because 280 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: he is kind of a president who started his career 281 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: as an entertainer in some way, shape or form. Again, 282 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: it wasn't the same as like the Rock and All that, 283 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: but it definitely is a form of entertainment that he 284 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: was making money and for and he got a reputation 285 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:55,199 Speaker 1: and that largely led to his early successes in politics. 286 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: So uh, it's kind of crossover in some ways to 287 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 1: the next fellow on our list. Background and entertainment, a 288 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: future in politics. Who does that remind you of? Folks? 289 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:18,199 Speaker 1: It's old Dutch. Ronald Reagan a k. The Gipper had 290 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,360 Speaker 1: a lot of street names. Uh, he was when when 291 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:28,360 Speaker 1: one for the Gipper and I die famous. Look it up. 292 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 1: So Dutch also as it passed in Illinois, He's nine 293 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 1: years old when the Reagan family moves to Dixon, and 294 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 1: he loved Dixon. He would later look back on this 295 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: and I think view it through rose colored glasses. He 296 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 1: thought it was a bucolic simpler time. He would reference 297 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:51,640 Speaker 1: it as sort of a huck finn Tom saw your 298 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: experience and yeah, well you could trick him in and 299 00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 1: a painting offense and another antiquated notion that have not aged. Well, 300 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 1: racism was just fine. There's also an ex okay series 301 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: of theses I've read about this. Um it was a 302 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:11,679 Speaker 1: great gosh. I'm gonna have to find the scholar but 303 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 1: there was this great piece I read theorizing that Huggleberry 304 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: Finn is actually meant to be a black person, is 305 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: meant to not be white. And it's a close reading 306 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 1: of the text. But I'm gonna find that one too. 307 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 1: It's it's fascinating. Anyway, I wasn't thinking, Yeah, Reagan isn't 308 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 1: thinking in that depth. He is as as you said, 309 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: he's looking these rose colored glasses. He's not acknowledging the 310 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: very problematic uh stuff about hug fitted Tom Sawyer and 311 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: I liked your impression there. Reagan himself is kind of 312 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: a milk toasty kid. You know, he's got millhouse vibes. 313 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 1: He's ketting millhouse vibes is what it is, a bit 314 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: of a goldfish, you know what I mean, sort of 315 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 1: a surface swimmer who has a very short memory. M Yeah, 316 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: he was skinny, is a slender build. He was shy, 317 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: he had thick glasses. He wasn't the best students, and 318 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 1: things changed when he reached his teenage years. When he 319 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:17,159 Speaker 1: was fifteen, he got a summer job that he like 320 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: for him changed his life, or at least his view 321 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: of himself. Yeah, got a summer job at a six 322 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: pack around fifteen, became a lifeguard, real Baywatch type character 323 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: at the lower park on Rock River. Uh. And there's 324 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:37,120 Speaker 1: a you know, somewhat questionable in terms of the exact details, 325 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 1: but it's sort of like a formative backstory. It's like 326 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 1: a you know, superhero origin story in some ways. Right. Yeah, 327 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: he got more confidence, right because he was in a 328 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: position of authority and responsibility, and he would throw rocks 329 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 1: at people, pebbles really to get him to leave the 330 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 1: water when a shift was over. Across seven different summers, 331 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:04,360 Speaker 1: he actually saved seventy seven people from drowning. And he 332 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 1: talks about this a lot in interviews. He also there's 333 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 1: a funny anecdote. Keep in mind, a lot of this 334 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: is curated and presented to voters. Right, He's talking about 335 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 1: this in politics, in the realm of politics to seem 336 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 1: more likable. The story goes, according to Helen Lawton, that 337 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: one time a guy had been swimming and came up 338 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 1: to Reagan Dutch and said, Hey, I've lost my false 339 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: teeth and I can't find them. So Reagan dives in 340 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: repeatedly until he finds the false teeth, and the guy 341 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: is very happy gives him ten dollars and then according 342 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 1: to Reagan, this is a quote from Reagan, that was 343 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: the first time I was ever paved doing anything. Wait, 344 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: so he was just like volunteering as a lifeguard. I guess. So, yeah, 345 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:57,199 Speaker 1: he's just saving people for free. Can I just he 346 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: really is a real millhouse right there? Man? Can I 347 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: just pose it to you? You fellas? Uh, seventies seven 348 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: saves huh, but also known for pelting people with rocks. 349 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: Wondering if it was one of those like weird supervillain 350 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: moves where you you orchestrate the crimes and then you 351 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: solve them, uh, in order to look like the hero. Yeah, 352 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 1: like an arsonist who works at the fire department, Right, 353 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: I got you? So yeah, that part might be lost 354 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: to history. Um, it seems like a whole lot of 355 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 1: of of potential drownings in a very short span of time, 356 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: if I had to guess. This is something that was 357 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 1: said very much on the campaign trail and something that 358 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 1: really no one could probably confirm nor deny, and so 359 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: thus no one would really go after it and it 360 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 1: would make him look really good in the campaign trail. Well, 361 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: I I do like that somebody got elected. When he 362 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:56,919 Speaker 1: got elected president, somebody, hopefully in Illinois, was like that 363 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 1: guy used to throw rocks at me exactly, but didn't happen. 364 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: We mentioned, did we mention the caveat though that. Locals 365 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: joke that this is a Chicago Tribute article. Locals joke 366 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 1: that at least a few of those were young women 367 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: who faked their distressed to be rescued by the handsome 368 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: lifeguard La La. We didn't like it. It was a 369 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: bit of a smoke show. It's true. Yeah, you can 370 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: see Reagan now is transforming to a more physically active person, 371 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:27,199 Speaker 1: this young lifeguard, and he gets involved in sports. He 372 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 1: actually goes to Eureka College on a partial football scholarship. 373 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 1: It doesn't pay for everything, so he gets his second 374 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: job that you might not expect. He is the dishwasher 375 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: at his fraternity house, and just knowing the hierarchy of fraternity's, 376 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: it feels like it's a rough gig, you know what 377 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: I mean, Like, hey, Dutch, we're done here, buddy, keep scrubbing. 378 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 1: We gotta go to the sock up. M M. Yeah, 379 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: I'd better be able to see my button. Those pans 380 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: exactly only the top of the Chrysler building. It is 381 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 1: funny it is a bit of a hazing kind of gig. 382 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: But he raised himself up by his his bootstraps and 383 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,959 Speaker 1: became a in nine two a I guess semi professional 384 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: radio sportscaster at w o C and Davin. No, he was. 385 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: He was out of college by then. This was not 386 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, he was paid. It was professional, 387 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: didn't pay much. They paid him ten bucks a game, 388 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: which is a hundred and seventy four dollars by today's standards, 389 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: which is still I mean, these sports ball games are 390 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: quite long, if I'm not mistaken, right, So I don't 391 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,439 Speaker 1: sart four dollars for a game. That's uh, it's not 392 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: a lot of scratching. Three and a half four hours, 393 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: probably was set up and breakdown about five six hours. Yeah, 394 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 1: so it's like basically been him on wage. He it's 395 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,360 Speaker 1: five hours, and it's a hundred and seventy four dollars 396 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: a game. He's making it the equivalent of thirty four 397 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 1: dollars and eighty cents. Now, Oh and she isn't bad, No, 398 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: that's pretty good. Sorry, you're better math than me, Ben, 399 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: I was late on the draw on the calculator, but yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. 400 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,199 Speaker 1: I blame the calculator. That's a decent starting wage, you know, 401 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: for a for a younger fella fresh out of college. Um, 402 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 1: but he would have been a podcaster exactly. He set 403 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: his sights higher though, two greater things in ninety seven, 404 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 1: um when he enlisted in the Army Reserves as a private. 405 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 1: But you know, through uh stick, tuitiveness and pluck, he 406 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 1: was promoted to second lieutenant and joined the Officers Reserve 407 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:36,919 Speaker 1: Cores of the Cavalry. M hm yep. And this is 408 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 1: where he is discovered by Holly Uh, an agent for 409 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 1: Warner Brothers, just sees Reagan in the wild in l 410 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 1: A and says, I want to give you a seven 411 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:55,160 Speaker 1: yeah contract, very faustian. Reagan says yes, and he goes 412 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 1: on to have a pretty storied film career. He gets 413 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: his nick name The Gipper, which really leaned into later 414 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: in life because of a film in nineteen forty where 415 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: he plays a notre dame football legend, a guy named 416 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 1: George GiB So. The Gipper is a nickname based on 417 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,959 Speaker 1: a role he played. It's like if Keanu Reeves became 418 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: president and people called him neo. Yeah. This is iconic 419 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 1: scene that I was describing at the beginning of the show, 420 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: at the beginning of the segment, win one for the Gipper. 421 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 1: That's the that's the that's the line. Um. You should 422 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 1: watch the movie. It's it's very, very dated, but it 423 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 1: is kind of a trip seeing Uh, you know, Mr 424 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: Warren drugs um acting in the pictures and you can 425 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: see him multiple other films. In nineteen two, he goes 426 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 1: to active duty. He's called in by the Air Force 427 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,160 Speaker 1: and he is assigned to get this the first motion 428 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: picture unit in Culver City, California. Does he do there? 429 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: He makes training films over four hundred. This is an 430 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: dream of mine. I've always wanted to make workplace those 431 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: workplace films for like HR and safety training. I don't 432 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: want to be the bad guy though. I want to 433 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:13,199 Speaker 1: be like either the cameo character who's like, what are 434 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 1: we going to stra would be is going to be 435 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: the bad guy. Let's make just let's just make one. 436 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: Let's just make one. I have watched so many Centron 437 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 1: and Cornet and Encyclopedia Britannica films over these last two 438 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 1: years that I think I can make one very well. 439 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 1: Right now. I like a good project. Uh yeah, and 440 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,880 Speaker 1: It's funny how those I don't know how it works exactly. 441 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 1: If you license these for your corporation or whatever, and 442 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: you you just kind of keep using the old one 443 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 1: until it becomes so dated that it doesn't even like, 444 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: you know, past legal muster anymore. But we, through various 445 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 1: acquisitions of our company, have seen varying shades of these 446 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,439 Speaker 1: types of sexual harassment training or you know, workplace decre 447 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,159 Speaker 1: what have you. Uh. And there's a certain set of 448 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 1: skills that goes into making these not exactly high art, 449 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:04,919 Speaker 1: but definitely a functional form of filmmaking. Yeah, we're gonna, okay, 450 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 1: that's it. I'm gonna get my sketch comedy crew together. 451 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonna make these. Tell us what we should, 452 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 1: tell us, what you want to see, folks. Um. So 453 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,880 Speaker 1: this is all before Ronald Reagan ever becomes the President 454 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: of the United States. After the war, he gets out 455 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: of those training films, he gets out of that gig, 456 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 1: and he starts acting again. It's around nineteen and for 457 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 1: twenty years he is a working actor. He's got one 458 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,400 Speaker 1: made for TV movie, and then fifty three motion pictures, 459 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: and then later this Dishwasher, this Lifeguard, the star of 460 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: Air Force Training films goes on to become the president. 461 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 1: Uh and like you said, Max, he he talks about 462 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 1: we have to be careful with what people talk about 463 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: on the campaign trail, you know. And Uh, it might 464 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 1: seem like we're being too nice to Lincoln and maybe 465 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: a little on fair to Reagan. But again we pointed 466 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 1: out Lincoln was a trash talking wrestler and if he 467 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 1: had a wrestling clip, if television had been around back 468 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 1: then and we had a clip of him talking trash, 469 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: we most certainly would have played it. Uh, no doubt. Yeah, 470 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: today's not just I'm having fun with us. Today's not 471 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: just about the surprising career some dudes. We had to 472 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: We had to add some someone else in the mix, right, 473 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: we did. We legal sent us a memo. It was 474 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: that was required. No, I'm kidding. This is another great one. 475 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: And I love you know, think we both love old 476 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 1: Hollywood and these types of stories and you know, the 477 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: backstories of you know who, the people who would become 478 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: icons because they're often pretty pretty relatable and then puts 479 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 1: things in a little bit of a different perspective. Uh. 480 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: Marilyn Monroe is one of the most iconic of icons 481 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 1: like untouchable, you know, just like like Mufasa and the 482 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: Sky and the Lion King. I mean, she just she 483 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: looks down upon all of us, gives a ry a 484 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 1: little smile. But her backstory is even weirder and crazier 485 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 1: and turned me onto a concept I didn't even know existed. Uh, 486 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 1: the age of early drones in World War Two? What 487 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: Marilyn Monroe before she became the iconic Marilyn Monroe was 488 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: named Norma Jean Dougherty, and she was eighteen years old. 489 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 1: She was working a crazy amount of hours ten hours 490 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: a day, twenty bucks a week in a World War 491 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: two defense plant. She had a husband, United States merchant 492 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 1: seamen assigned overseas, and the company she worked for, radio 493 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 1: Plane in Burbank, California, made these small, remote controlled pilotless 494 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: aircrafts that were Yeah, they were like, uh, target practice 495 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: kind of for the U. S. Army and the Navy. 496 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 1: And it might surprise people know just how old drone 497 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:11,959 Speaker 1: technology is. Under a code name Operation Aphrodity, radio control 498 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: bombers were packed with explosives and flown into the air 499 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 1: by these Allied pilots who would just object once they're 500 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: playing reached a target. And this this is pretty nuts 501 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 1: because she yeah, because Doherty is her job specifically is 502 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: to inspect and spray parachutes. I mean, it's interesting because 503 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 1: you hear the word drones and you think about, you know, 504 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 1: automated aerial vehicles that can target, you know, with precision 505 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: or whatever. This was kind of the opposite. It was 506 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 1: aerial vehicles that were controlled remotely, but that we're actually 507 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: used for target practice, right or it was it was 508 00:31:55,920 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 1: a way of kind of like simulating mission in circumstances. 509 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 1: So uh ms. Doherty actually her job was to inspect 510 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 1: and spray those parachutes that you were describing. Ben in 511 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: a factory in Burbank, California. And it's funny because her 512 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: mother in law actually warned her she she had gotten 513 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 1: her the job in the first place, or at least 514 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: was her connection. She was a nurse working for radio 515 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: plane said that the fumes and the factory would would 516 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: do a number on her beautiful hair. Uh not to 517 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 1: mention perhaps, you know, inhaling them would not be great 518 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: for her health. So um, she essentially was an assembly 519 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: line worker and she did her job and eventually actually 520 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 1: one kind of like a I guess a office pool 521 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: kind of situation where she got a fifty dollar war 522 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: bond after being elected or you know, voted by her peers, 523 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: the queen of the company picnic. That's fun. Yeah, And 524 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 1: let's fast forward to June. The Allies are still fighting 525 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: against Japanese forces and that's when Norma Jean is photographed. 526 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: She is holding up a propeller and you can see 527 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: her radio plane I d on her waist. And the 528 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: guy who takes this photograph, Private David Conover of Get This, 529 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 1: the Army's first motion picture unit in Culver City, California, 530 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 1: South familiar Reagan fans. He takes this picture of Norma 531 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: Jean Reagan's yeah, using using color film, which is pretty 532 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 1: rare at the time, and he is there to get 533 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 1: some propaganda going. Uh. He needs to get pictures of 534 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: women in war production, things that will be publicized saying 535 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 1: some version of everyone's doing that part joined up today 536 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 1: and this picture, this picture and several other pictures are 537 00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 1: one of the things that establish her in Hollywood. She starts, 538 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 1: I mean, she's very photogetic, and she starts becoming well known. 539 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: She takes the stage name Marilyn Monroe and interesting little 540 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 1: quirk of history here thinks that good folks at the 541 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 1: New York Times, we knew this. The commanding officer who 542 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,839 Speaker 1: told the private to take that photograph none other than 543 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 1: Captain Ronald Reagan. How about that? Yeah, that's wild. It's 544 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 1: also interesting too. I mean it makes sense because this 545 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,440 Speaker 1: was the era of like, you know, Rosie the Riveter, 546 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,399 Speaker 1: we can do it and all that stuff, and like 547 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 1: the government making sort of a pr play out of women, 548 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 1: you know, stepping in to do the jobs that their 549 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 1: husbands had done previously. Uh, that's sort of a mixed bag. 550 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:42,839 Speaker 1: He's On the one hand, it is kind of cool 551 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 1: and empowering in a way, but it's also sort of like, uh, 552 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 1: we'll just hold down the fort while the men are away, 553 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 1: you know, and then when they return, potentially go back to, 554 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,280 Speaker 1: you know, our subservient roles. But I think this actually 555 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 1: did cause kind of a you know, a sea change 556 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 1: in what jobs men were considered for. Uh, in a way. 557 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 1: I mean it certainly wasn't some sort of like glass 558 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,400 Speaker 1: ceiling shattering moment, but I think it did to some 559 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:11,840 Speaker 1: degree move things forward. Agree, at least in a small way. Yeah, agreed. 560 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 1: I mean it's it's inarguable. It's simply a fact that 561 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 1: World War Two would not have been won by the 562 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 1: Allies if women in the population weren't part of the war. 563 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 1: Effort to say otherwise really diminishes the crucial role they played. 564 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,360 Speaker 1: And uh oh, that's an episode in it's of itself. 565 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,880 Speaker 1: We should do a special series on just the nineteen 566 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 1: fifties postwar economic boom. Uh and then training videos. We'll 567 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 1: do both of those. Yet, I say, really quickly speaking 568 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,719 Speaker 1: of like coming upcoming topics, Um, we've done and we 569 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 1: started doing a new thing where we have a weekly 570 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,719 Speaker 1: call with super producer Max and research associate Zack and 571 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: Jeff and good heavens, We've got like sixty incredible topics 572 00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 1: that I think you all are going to enjoy so 573 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,400 Speaker 1: very much. And it's just become like, I think the 574 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,280 Speaker 1: highlight of of of all of our weeks is getting together, 575 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 1: you know, whenever we do these, I think we do 576 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 1: like about once a month. But I am so excited 577 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 1: about some of the show topics we have coming up, Ben, 578 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 1: I don't know about you. Yeah, very excited. And we're 579 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,840 Speaker 1: gonna have some special guests coming uh for all the 580 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:22,279 Speaker 1: all the TDZ fans stay tuned and uh, no spoilers, 581 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:26,759 Speaker 1: But what's your favorite reality TV show? Folks keep that 582 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:31,359 Speaker 1: answer in mind for some upcoming shows. But even as 583 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 1: reality ben I don't understand it's funny that they call 584 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,919 Speaker 1: it reality TV in the first place. But let's get 585 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:42,319 Speaker 1: back to Norma Jean and Private Conover. Hanover is so 586 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:48,400 Speaker 1: taken with Norma Jean that he ends up taking leave 587 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 1: from the Army Air Corps and he spends two weeks 588 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,400 Speaker 1: with her taking photos and teaching her how to pose 589 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,760 Speaker 1: for the camera. This leads to her signing with something 590 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 1: called the Blue Book Modeling Agency in nineteen At this point, 591 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 1: she sometimes started calling herself Gene Norman. Before before she 592 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,839 Speaker 1: gets to Marilyn Monroe, this photographer Conover has to go 593 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,920 Speaker 1: to the Philippines. He's called a duty in the Philippines, 594 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:19,200 Speaker 1: they lose contact and her career begins to take off 595 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,759 Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty three, and that's when he learns this 596 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,320 Speaker 1: guy Conover. He's like, oh wait, that's the lead I 597 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 1: took all those photos of I taught her to model. 598 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,919 Speaker 1: Now her name is Marilyn Monroe and talking about being 599 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 1: a stand up person. I didn't know this Noel Max. 600 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 1: Marilyn Monroe spent her whole life crediting her success, a 601 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 1: large part of it to private conover and they even 602 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 1: met again on the set of a film you might 603 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 1: have heard of, Gentlemen preverb blonds. I can't say that 604 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 1: in a not somewhat sleezy voice. No, there's there's no way. 605 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 1: There's absolutely no way to do it. I think that's 606 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 1: pretty neat because she didn't have to do that, and 607 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,239 Speaker 1: it's not like I mean, honestly, he just sort of 608 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,319 Speaker 1: did a kindness. It's not like he gave her her 609 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,399 Speaker 1: big break or anything exactly, but he just helped her 610 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,239 Speaker 1: kind of find that path again. Like we're talking about 611 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,520 Speaker 1: the top of the show. Sometimes little choices you make, uh, 612 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,520 Speaker 1: and people you encounter can lead you to surprising places 613 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,239 Speaker 1: that you never would have expected. And I think it's 614 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 1: important to be grateful for the people that you encounter 615 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,600 Speaker 1: in your life that that help you along that path, 616 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 1: even if it's not like oh you you you gave 617 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 1: me my first job, or you you broke my career, 618 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 1: or this that and the other. Just people who you 619 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 1: learn from and um who are you know, kind to 620 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 1: you and give you the time and attention because, as 621 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 1: you always say, Ben, time is is the most valuable 622 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,319 Speaker 1: commodity that anyone has. It's the only real currency. In 623 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,560 Speaker 1: the end, I do want to shout out super producer 624 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:52,920 Speaker 1: Max Williams, who next. You came through UH and you 625 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,840 Speaker 1: pulled up you found the image that we're talking about 626 00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:03,720 Speaker 1: from the drone company and it's it's recognizably Marilyn Monroe. 627 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,720 Speaker 1: You popped it here in the chat UH without blonde 628 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:12,279 Speaker 1: hair yet and looking very much honestly, I'll say it 629 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 1: looking like it's kind of in a training video. She 630 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,520 Speaker 1: looks like a scientist working in a video about how 631 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,279 Speaker 1: to put propellers on properly. But I mean without without 632 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,799 Speaker 1: all that glam and the makeup and the blonde, she's 633 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:31,600 Speaker 1: almost unrecognizable. Yeah, you see, you see the the iconic 634 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:36,840 Speaker 1: appearance really start to surface when she gets modeling gigs. 635 00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:41,400 Speaker 1: They start out as advertisements in Suffer men's magazines, but 636 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:47,480 Speaker 1: her agency, blue Book Modeling decides. You know, they're talking 637 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,080 Speaker 1: to it and they're saying, you know, Norma Jeane, you 638 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,600 Speaker 1: have less of a figure for a fashion model and 639 00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,000 Speaker 1: more of a figure of a pent up, which sounds 640 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:02,360 Speaker 1: not super great, maybe right, hearing that in the modern day. 641 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,200 Speaker 1: But they they're telling her basically, she has the wrong 642 00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,680 Speaker 1: body to be a fashion model, and modeling itself can 643 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:12,120 Speaker 1: be such a brutal industry. But the founder a blue book, 644 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:17,400 Speaker 1: the founder Miss Emmiline snive Ley, which sounds like a 645 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:22,040 Speaker 1: bad guy at a children's book boy, doesn't ever like 646 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:26,800 Speaker 1: you know, tye, Penelope pitstop to the brain tracks, right, Uh, 647 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:31,399 Speaker 1: she is actually not an evil children's book figure. She 648 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:36,600 Speaker 1: introduces Norma Jean to Hollywood, to the movie industry, and 649 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:40,799 Speaker 1: that's where her career takes off and how she becomes 650 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:46,239 Speaker 1: the Marilyn Monroe people know today. Uh. And it's interesting 651 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:53,440 Speaker 1: that for so long Monroe was treated as a stereotypical 652 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:58,120 Speaker 1: like she was treated as a stereotypical kind of ditzy 653 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:03,800 Speaker 1: person or a dumb blonde character. But looking at her life, 654 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,320 Speaker 1: at this individual's life, you can see that she was 655 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:11,600 Speaker 1: incredibly intelligent, right, and that stereotype is undeserved. It's just 656 00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,359 Speaker 1: nuts because you have to be pretty sharp to work 657 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:19,560 Speaker 1: at a drone factory, right, yeah, you do. I mean 658 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,440 Speaker 1: it's not I mean, you know, it's repetitive work, but 659 00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,680 Speaker 1: it's not mindless work. And there are lots of moving 660 00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,279 Speaker 1: parts and things that could be messed up, and you 661 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,320 Speaker 1: have to know your business. I wanted to bring something 662 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,359 Speaker 1: up Ben you mentioned, uh, you know, the idea of oh, 663 00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,560 Speaker 1: you got the body for a pinop or whatever, and 664 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,279 Speaker 1: the kind of problematic nature of that kind of thing. 665 00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:44,320 Speaker 1: I watched um, uh, the first Pink Panther movie yesterday 666 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,319 Speaker 1: on on streaming with my girlfriend, and I saw a 667 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,640 Speaker 1: funny thing. You know how before movies come on, they 668 00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,000 Speaker 1: have those like warnings for different content things that you 669 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,480 Speaker 1: should you know, look out for. This one had one 670 00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,680 Speaker 1: and and and then sometimes they're like abbreviated. It'll be like, 671 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,920 Speaker 1: you know, uh, strong sexual content might be like SSC. 672 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:08,800 Speaker 1: This one said, oh C, and that stands for outdated 673 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,799 Speaker 1: cultural refa. That's kind of I think you could be. 674 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:18,680 Speaker 1: You need to be a little well exactly, because that's 675 00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,359 Speaker 1: the thing. First of all, the very first scene in 676 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,759 Speaker 1: in the Pink Panther movie is in like a kind 677 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:28,240 Speaker 1: of a harem type situation in an East Indian palace 678 00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:32,040 Speaker 1: kind of situation, and that's handled with a good bit 679 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:36,520 Speaker 1: of cultural insensitivity. But the thing that was really kind 680 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,480 Speaker 1: of a lot was there's this part where this this 681 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,360 Speaker 1: dude is making advances on this woman, and he essentially 682 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:48,120 Speaker 1: breaks into a room under false pretenses and just throws 683 00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:51,879 Speaker 1: himself at her, and she's just so docile about it, 684 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:53,720 Speaker 1: just like kind of like pushing him off, but also 685 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,080 Speaker 1: like mainly just being like, oh no, no, I can't 686 00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,360 Speaker 1: right now because excuses. But like it's just the most 687 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,880 Speaker 1: gross kind of me too thing I've ever seen. It 688 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,439 Speaker 1: was really hard to watch. Heepe Lapu man very much. 689 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:12,000 Speaker 1: That very much that and this, uh, this takes us 690 00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:16,440 Speaker 1: to another conversation. Different things We're going to explore in 691 00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:21,360 Speaker 1: future episodes. We have tons of other trivia that we 692 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:25,560 Speaker 1: haven't gotten to. Uh. Lincoln right now remains the only 693 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:29,800 Speaker 1: US president who have obtained a patent, so go you abe, 694 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,000 Speaker 1: you know, uh, in addition to being president. That's a 695 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:37,719 Speaker 1: cool thing. And here, you know, we're kind of on 696 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,719 Speaker 1: the fence about this before we went into this episode. 697 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,200 Speaker 1: But I think this is a series. I think we 698 00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:48,320 Speaker 1: can do more surprising former careers of notable public figures. 699 00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,200 Speaker 1: I completely agree. Maybe we'll workshop, like what the the 700 00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,800 Speaker 1: official title of the series is, we we've got a 701 00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:56,759 Speaker 1: bit of a history of introducing series and then it 702 00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,320 Speaker 1: just kind of abandoning them, but hey, it's our prerogative. 703 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,319 Speaker 1: But now I love this one. I think there's so 704 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,600 Speaker 1: many more. We did one with about like weird presidential pets. 705 00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,399 Speaker 1: You know that one was fun um, but now they're 706 00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,799 Speaker 1: This one is a there's a there's gold in them 707 00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,360 Speaker 1: hills in terms of like weird jobs that people that 708 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,200 Speaker 1: were known for a one major thing have done in 709 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,319 Speaker 1: their lives. I think we need to dig deeper into 710 00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:21,200 Speaker 1: this time, like legendary breakdanswer Joan of arc you know, uh, 711 00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:25,560 Speaker 1: the inventor of the worm. Totally she could. I was 712 00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:29,200 Speaker 1: about to say her worm was unparalleled, and then you 713 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,400 Speaker 1: reminded me that it was in fact her very invention 714 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:37,520 Speaker 1: likely uh you know, driven by the Word of God. Yeah, 715 00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:43,360 Speaker 1: she got into that part later. Uh so. Also sorry 716 00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:47,560 Speaker 1: to Kane Hendry, uh, who's considered the creator of the word. 717 00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,960 Speaker 1: But we have more surprising former careers ahead. We can't 718 00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,800 Speaker 1: wait to hear your thoughts, folks. We hope you enjoyed 719 00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:59,000 Speaker 1: this episode. Will be back later in the week with 720 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:03,080 Speaker 1: some more surprising, ridiculous history. In the meantime, thanks of 721 00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:08,720 Speaker 1: course to Mr Max Williams. Thanks to composer Alex Williams, Noel, 722 00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,840 Speaker 1: Thanks to you. I'd also like to personally thank um 723 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:18,840 Speaker 1: my old my old colleagues in the world of international affairs, 724 00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,279 Speaker 1: some of whom listen to this podcast. So that's where 725 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,840 Speaker 1: I ended up. Guys, thanks for thanks for tuning in. 726 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,080 Speaker 1: We have other people to thank. Do you think Jonathan 727 00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,120 Speaker 1: Strickland will be okay with being the villain in our 728 00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:33,200 Speaker 1: training videos? I mean, he's just he's sort of the 729 00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,560 Speaker 1: heel of the show. You know, if he was a wrestler, 730 00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,640 Speaker 1: he'd be the heel. He'd also be the villain. I mean, 731 00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,480 Speaker 1: we don't have to let him make him like sexually 732 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,600 Speaker 1: harass anybody or anything, but he can at the very 733 00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,920 Speaker 1: least try to encourage somebody to do something that's morally 734 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,759 Speaker 1: comprehensible in the workplace. So so I got the idea. 735 00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,360 Speaker 1: Have you guys ever seen the training video safety video 736 00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,759 Speaker 1: shake Hands with Danger? Yes? No, but I know that 737 00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,960 Speaker 1: like these kinds of institutional films were sometimes done by 738 00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,359 Speaker 1: big directors early in their career. I think that's one 739 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,520 Speaker 1: of them, right, Um, I'm not sure about that, but 740 00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,800 Speaker 1: that is a very and uh, I think it's Hark Harvey. 741 00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:10,200 Speaker 1: I think it's like it's like one of his last 742 00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:13,600 Speaker 1: credited ones. But it is just like it's a horror film. 743 00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,440 Speaker 1: It is so bad. It's like it's like it's like 744 00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:18,919 Speaker 1: tighten this thing, or it's gonna rip your arm off, 745 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,000 Speaker 1: and stuff that I'm thinking more kind of like Strickland 746 00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,440 Speaker 1: can be like the guy who like it, like cuts 747 00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,920 Speaker 1: the corner on some safety video and then get some 748 00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:32,880 Speaker 1: absolutely horrific results come to him. What do you guys think? Yeah, 749 00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,600 Speaker 1: I love it. He's our He's our Dudley, don't max uh. 750 00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:41,120 Speaker 1: I also, in full disclosure, have a long history with 751 00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:46,120 Speaker 1: casting Jonathan in villainous roles when I was when I 752 00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:50,440 Speaker 1: was heading up our video department, I would consistently go 753 00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,719 Speaker 1: to him and make him the villain. So, Jonathan, if 754 00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:57,560 Speaker 1: you're listening, thank you again. You're amazed on camera. Would 755 00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:59,640 Speaker 1: love to cast you and some other stuff. And I 756 00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,520 Speaker 1: hope that it's okay because I'm just now realizing you 757 00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,600 Speaker 1: were almost always the villain my bad and just to 758 00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,720 Speaker 1: double back really quickly. Her Carve, who directed Shake Hands 759 00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:12,200 Speaker 1: with Danger, also directed one of your favorite movies been 760 00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,839 Speaker 1: Carnival of Souls in the early sixties, and then went 761 00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,640 Speaker 1: on to do some of these institutional films, but there 762 00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,400 Speaker 1: there are a handful of directors that have some of 763 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:24,200 Speaker 1: those on their IMDb s that maybe they wish would 764 00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,680 Speaker 1: get wiped off. Yeah, and do you even triple back 765 00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:29,680 Speaker 1: on this? If you want to learn more about her Carvey, 766 00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,239 Speaker 1: check out his episode that we did on Ephemeral where 767 00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,680 Speaker 1: we go from early to Carnival Souls toil afterwards that 768 00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,759 Speaker 1: like to stuff like check hands with danger and stuff beautiful, 769 00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,600 Speaker 1: great rack, beautiful in the meantime, Huge days, superducer, Max 770 00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:46,480 Speaker 1: Williams as always Alex Williams, who composed our theme. Christophraciotis 771 00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:50,120 Speaker 1: here in spirit Yes yes And thanks to Eve's Jeff 772 00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:53,960 Speaker 1: cot thinks to Gabe Lucier, thanks to our research associates 773 00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:58,280 Speaker 1: Jeff Partlett and Zach Williams no relation. Have a great week, folks. 774 00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:07,840 Speaker 1: We'll see you next time. For more podcasts from my 775 00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,560 Speaker 1: Heart Radio, visit the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcast, 776 00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:12,800 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.