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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Huddle Podcast. My

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Speaker 1: name is Johnshplke. Today's guest is going to be lands

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Speaker 1: zer Line from NFL dot Com and NFL Network. But

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Speaker 1: from the Hackensack Berty Hell podcast studio. Keep getting better

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Speaker 1: and now we welcome in our guests, lands zer Line.

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Speaker 1: He does a great job covering the draft for NFL Network,

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Speaker 1: NFL dot Com, the Mock Draft Traft, the Draft Tracker

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Speaker 1: on NFL dot com pardon me all those write ups.

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Speaker 1: He works with Chad Ryder. He'll be with us next

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Speaker 1: week as well. Get all that together in terms of

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Speaker 1: the grades, the background, the testing. He does all that

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Speaker 1: for NFL dot com Lance. We're kind of in the

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Speaker 1: home stretch here, man, We're less than a month. It

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Speaker 1: comes fast, yeah, it really does.

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Speaker 2: And you know, it's it's kind of funny how it's

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Speaker 2: partitioned out. You keep up with a very closely John,

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Speaker 2: So it's kind of Senior Bowl and then you know

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Speaker 2: Pro day circuit, and then mixed in there a variety

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Speaker 2: of mock drafts. But right now is when things are

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Speaker 2: really fine tuning in the buildings of NFL teams, and

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Speaker 2: I think people are starting to get a better feel

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Speaker 2: for maybe, you know, I take a look at who

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Speaker 2: teams are bringing in for thirty visits. Some people bring

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Speaker 2: in legit guys who are first shot candidates. Some look

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Speaker 2: at late round players. You know, so you just truld

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Speaker 2: to get your your your clue here and there where

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Speaker 2: a player might go. I mean, I have two jobs.

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Speaker 2: My primary job is to see who a player is

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Speaker 2: on tape and write them up so people can read

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Speaker 2: about players that their favorite team drafts. And then you know,

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Speaker 2: the other thing is you try to figure out where

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Speaker 2: players are gonna go. That's the whole mock draft angle.

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Speaker 2: And I care less about that, But the fans care

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Speaker 2: more about that, care more about it. So you know,

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Speaker 2: I understand it. Everyone wants to know where someone's gonna go.

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Speaker 2: But for me, I like to try to be accurate

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Speaker 2: with the players that I'm writing up. But I mean,

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Speaker 2: the mock draft stuff can be It's a fun exercise

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Speaker 2: what kind of connections, like what is a new offensive

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Speaker 2: And then if one player goes somewhere, you don't expect

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Speaker 2: I don't know who goes too. I think it could

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Speaker 2: give your GM a vision of what is important to you.

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Speaker 2: What does a giant look like? For example, and I

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Speaker 2: more pedigrees. We used to see a heavy SEC influence

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Speaker 2: so I think he obviously fell to them. Malachi Starks

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Speaker 2: Most teams aren't looking for that, but the Ravens stayed

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I do think there'll be a number of

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Speaker 1: here at five Lance, and look at it your board

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Speaker 1: way I kind of put my thing together, I tried

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Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting. The only guy you have

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Speaker 2: The chance to be a chance to be a perennial

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Speaker 2: All Pro. A seven to zero is my highest, Like,

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Speaker 2: that's my line of demarcation for Usually you have to

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Speaker 2: I would make him my only seven zero this year.

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Speaker 2: But there's some good players at the top of the draft.

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Speaker 1: Though, hoddle Up, get in here.

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Speaker 2: If you're lined up here, you gotta go over the

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Speaker 1: it interesting. I want to talk about that next group

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Speaker 1: because you have that next tier, which I believe is

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Speaker 2: I had mansword Delaine in the six eighths when it's

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Speaker 2: see him run in the fourth threes. I already knew that.

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Speaker 2: But you know, he's not six feet like he falls off.

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Speaker 2: You don't get the high waight length that you would want,

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Speaker 2: So it's still a very high Anything six to seven

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Speaker 1: And those are guys that you would feel comfortable picking

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Speaker 1: in the top ten in pretty much any year. Correct,

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Speaker 1: you got it, all right? So the guys you have

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Speaker 1: final thing I would hit with you, Lance, because I

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Speaker 2: LINEBACKER i just think it's. HIGHER i Think Jacob rodriguez

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Speaker 2: has really Good you, know you AND i are all

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Speaker 2: enough that we've seen. It we've just seen it with.

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Speaker 2: Guys you see it Was Zach, thomas, right you see

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Speaker 2: it with With sweesssinger who came out last. YEAR i

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Speaker 2: Think Jacob rodriguez reminds me of one of those guys

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Speaker 2: who just has a good feel for where the ball

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Speaker 2: is going to. Go it's just not. Explosive His Carson

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Speaker 2: Swesterner west as a, tester and Then Josiah trotter there's

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Speaker 2: another one who is obviously his dad played in THE

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Speaker 2: a little more boonbust with, him like the good is

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Speaker 2: really good and the stuff that needs work still needs.

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Speaker 2: WORK i think you would have benefited from another maybe another,

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Speaker 2: year but In Jake Golday long they played a lot

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Speaker 2: of edge last, year but really when they stacked, HIM

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Speaker 2: i was, like holy. Crap golday can really play in the.

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Speaker 2: Middle like this is where he needs to. Play, SO i,

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Speaker 2: MEAN i feel like there's. SIX i feel Like Anthony

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Speaker 2: hill could go in the, first maybe. SECOND i don't THINK.

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Speaker 2: Cj allen goes in the. First Jacob rodriguez won't go

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Speaker 2: in to. FIRST i think he'll go in a. Second,

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Speaker 2: GOLDAY i think will go on a. Second it's gonna

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Speaker 2: be loaded in the second. Round but to your, point,

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Speaker 2: man IF i got If i'm juggling all these, linebackers

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Speaker 2: where are the? Differentiators is it production and a lot

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Speaker 2: of these guys have? Production is a? Production is it

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Speaker 2: explosiveness and? Traits? Uh is a pedigree and it isn't,

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Speaker 2: versatility which frankly my LINEBACKERS i want them to. Play

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Speaker 2: you got to play all three. Downs it's non. Negotiable

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Speaker 2: and as an all as a three down, LINEBACKER i

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Speaker 2: Know hill is a really good. Rusher That hill can

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Speaker 2: really really, rush and he's an explosive. Athlete golday can

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Speaker 2: rush and he's fast and can get around the. Field

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Speaker 2: Jacob rodriguez is a sneaky zone, linebacker many great vision

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Speaker 2: and great feel for where the routes are versus where

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Speaker 2: the quarterback size. Are SO i LIKE. Cj. ALLEN i

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Speaker 2: just Think CJ's got HIS i think he's got his

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Speaker 2: hands full in terms of draft. Slotting but once he

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Speaker 2: gets in the, LEAGUE i think he's gonna be. FINED

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Speaker 2: i think all these linebackers, Are LIKE i, said great

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Speaker 2: year for. Linebackers draft him in the first two.

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Speaker 1: Rounds, lance tell, me tell the folks to me where

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Speaker 1: they can find all your great stuff coming up ON

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Speaker 1: Nfl network and anything else you're up.

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Speaker 2: To, yeah you. Can you. Can you can follow me

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Speaker 2: on on on the socials On twitter At Lance. Zerline

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Speaker 2: just look at the. SPELLING i won't go through it,

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Speaker 2: all but ON Nfl, Network i'll be on next. Week

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Speaker 2: my min draft will be On Mock Draft, live WHICH

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Speaker 2: i think you can find ON Nfl. PLUS i will

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Speaker 2: be On The insiders every typically Every, Tuesday, tuesday And.

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Speaker 2: Thursday today it's going to Be wednesday And. Thursday we're

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Speaker 2: taping On. Wednesday i'll be on tonight that's ON Nfl

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Speaker 2: plus Where i'll be Discussing Alabama Pro day and some

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Speaker 2: of the other prospects out. THERE i have an article

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Speaker 2: coming out man just come out. Today as it came out,

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Speaker 2: today The Top positions ranking the top positions from number

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Speaker 2: one to number eleven in THE Nfl. Draft so if

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Speaker 2: you wanted to see which ones are the most, explosive

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Speaker 2: the one that can help The giants the, most look on.

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Speaker 2: THAT i have a scoring system THAT i explain on,

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Speaker 2: there and Then i'll be Doing path to The draft

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Speaker 2: starting on the thirtieth Of. March Every, friday you'll see,

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Speaker 2: that and then the week of the, Draft i'll be

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Speaker 2: ON tv throughout the draft ON Nfl network and Then,

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Speaker 2: Thursday Friday, saturday we'll be on YouTube and NFL us

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Speaker 2: doing OUR Nfl draft, analysis me And Bucky brooks At

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Speaker 2: Mike yam so. UH i, mean it was a lot

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Speaker 2: of work getting ready for the, combine and it's like

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Speaker 2: this is a different type of work Where i've started

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Speaker 2: doing THE tv. Stuff NOW i gotta you, know NOW

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Speaker 2: i gotta put the stuff on under my, eyes get

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Speaker 2: rid of these bags when When i'm writing, up you,

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Speaker 2: Know i'm getting those, bags well learned bags with these

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Speaker 2: ninety hour workweeks before the. Combine but now it's a

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Speaker 2: NOW i got to try to pretty up and get ON. Tv.

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Speaker 1: Yeah of COOL nfl Dot com Slash Draft tracker that's

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Speaker 1: where you Find lance's rankings and all his reports you

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Speaker 1: click on the players are all. There cameos On move

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Speaker 1: The sticks as. Well oh and by the, way his

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Speaker 1: full time job is doing morning drive radio In, houston

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Speaker 1: so he's got a lot going. On. Lance good, stuff my.

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Speaker 1: Friend always a. Pleasure let's do this again. Soon thank.

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Speaker 1: You that's.

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