1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: This is the game for the thirty five six seconds left. 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: Browns up five to theen this and beat the Steelers. 3 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson to throw back to throw has time. Here's 4 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:12,040 Speaker 1: the Thros ball up into the air towards the end zone. 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: Knock it down, chuck ball, complate broke plea. 6 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 2: And they're making snow Angels. Twenty four nineteen. 7 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 3: Oh what a. 8 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 2: Call by our friend Andrew Ceciliano on w k r K. 9 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 2: What a game. I usually wait till the end of 10 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 2: the show to say this, but when it's snowing and 11 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 2: the Browns are winning an AFC North game at the 12 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 2: very end with help from Jamis Winsday, you know football 13 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 2: is back. I am so fired up tonight to be 14 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 2: joined by my friend bo Wolf of p h L 15 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 2: Y and he thought I was assigning him to a stinker. 16 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 2: And that's why you got to watch bow Wolf. You 17 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 2: never know when you're gonna get one of the most 18 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 2: memorable games of the season. I don't think it's hyperbole 19 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 2: to say this upset by the Browns in the snow 20 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 2: globe was one of those games. 21 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 4: And to be here with you for what might be 22 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 4: the definitive Jameis Winston game. I mean, what a treat 23 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 4: for me. 24 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 2: Yes, that is true, Jamis Winston. True believers, supporters, this 25 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 2: is your night, This is for you. Our guy got 26 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 2: it toute. I think the definitive game is definitely the 27 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 2: game where he threw his thirtieth touchdown and his thirtieth 28 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 2: interception in the final week because everyone is just rooting 29 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 2: for it, rooting for it, and then it happened. But yes, 30 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 2: this is one of the best moments. I'd have to 31 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 2: go back. He did have bet more good moments for 32 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 2: Tampa than people remember, but what a moment for him. 33 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 2: I thought he had his moment early in the fourth 34 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 2: quarter when they took the lead to go up eighteen 35 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 2: to six. After some total heroics, they blow the lead, 36 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 2: giving up two touchdowns, including a sequence where it was 37 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 2: a strip sack of Jamis Winston. That the Steelers then 38 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 2: took a lead nineteen to eighteen. Steelers had the ball 39 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 2: at one point with the lead, and you didn't think 40 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 2: it was gonna happen? Didja? When the Browns got the 41 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 2: ball back with a little over three minutes left, bo 42 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 2: Wolf and then they go on a touchdown drive that 43 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 2: I can't imagine many Browns fans expected that considering the 44 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 2: way this season has gone. 45 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 4: Or as even as as Kirk Kurbstreet said on the call, 46 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 4: like maybe they thought they scored too early. 47 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 5: They're like, oh this is this is too good. That's it. 48 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 4: But I mean there were there were so many, I know, 49 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 4: we'll got to all of them. So many Jamis moments 50 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 4: in this game. I mean you had the like the 51 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 4: powerful downfield tackle on a fumble, just laying Wood down there. 52 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:44,359 Speaker 4: You had the touchdown that you talked about, the two 53 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 4: point conversion where the battery is like dangling in front 54 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 4: of his helmet. You have the like the drive when 55 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:54,079 Speaker 4: they're trying to score after he fumbles it. He makes 56 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 4: that beautiful throw on the run to Jerry Judy and 57 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,519 Speaker 4: then throws the interception, which you're like, okay, that was 58 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 4: probably at some point, and then he leads the game 59 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 4: winning touchdown drive it is it was. 60 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 5: I mean, it is very jamous. It was very cool. 61 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 4: It's like, if you had asked me before this game 62 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,519 Speaker 4: what was going to happen, I would have probably flippantly said, like, oh, 63 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 4: the Browns will probably blow it late, the Steelers will 64 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 4: win a close game. There's gonna be a lot of 65 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,799 Speaker 4: jamous moments, and that's almost what happened. But even if 66 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:22,799 Speaker 4: that had happened, you would have missed so much of 67 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 4: the wonder of the game. And we haven't even gotten 68 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 4: to the snow of it. I know. 69 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:28,959 Speaker 2: That's why you can't look at the box score, because 70 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 2: in the end he has one interception, no touchdowns on 71 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 2: this game two hundred and nineteen yards, which through the 72 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 2: snow was crazy. And we hadn't mentioned that. The game 73 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 2: starts with some light precipitation, sometimes nothing, sometimes like a 74 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 2: little just flakes out there, but the field's clean. It's 75 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 2: windy for the most a little bit, but it's fine. 76 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 2: And then by the end of the game, this is 77 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 2: full you know, Fox Burroughs last game with the tuck 78 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 2: rule and Adam Vintteri in the snow. It is an 79 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 2: absolute blizzard out there, and both he and Russell Wilson 80 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 2: are making really good passes for the most part. I 81 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 2: guess we should have known. You put late career Russell Wilson, 82 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 2: really any stage career Russell Wilson against Jamis Winstone. You're right, 83 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 2: in the primetime game, it's gonna get really stupid. I 84 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 2: want to start actually with the last drive and yeah, 85 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 2: we can kind of go backwards from there. But on 86 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 2: the last drive of the game, Jamis gets it back 87 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 2: after the Steelers don't do a good job with it. 88 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 2: They get it with four twenty two left and they 89 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 2: go three and out. They bring in Justin Fields on 90 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 2: I think it was second and third down. 91 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 6: Is that right? Bo? 92 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 5: I don't know if he was gonna say, I think 93 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 5: that's right. I think that's okay. 94 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 2: It was definite a third down where he throws the 95 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 2: ball down the field one on one coverage, just kind 96 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 2: of a hope ball to Pickens, and it was part 97 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 2: of a night where Fields is coming in and out 98 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 2: of the lineup. It felt like he was on the 99 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 2: field more than he really was. He only ended up 100 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 2: throwing one pass and that was it, and he ran 101 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 2: three times, including a failed fourth down. But the Steelers 102 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 2: didn't quite know what to do with Russell Wilson because 103 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 2: he was just up and down and the red zone 104 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 2: offense has been so bad and they were bad on 105 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 2: fourth down. 106 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 4: The Fields thing was interesting because we joked earlier in 107 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 4: the week that like the Browns defense gave up this 108 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 4: huge game to Taysom Hill, Like maybe the Steelers are 109 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 4: going to lean into Justin Fields, and Fields is on 110 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 4: the field on the first third down of the game, 111 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 4: and then they get a penalty they take him off. 112 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 4: So it was as if this was a big plan 113 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 4: for them coming into the game. I think he only 114 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 4: played one other snap in the first half, but then 115 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 4: he was on the field to lead that one touchdown 116 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 4: drive on the nice you know, the thirty yard keeper. 117 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 4: He's in for three plays before they bring Russell in, 118 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 4: but then Wilson comes in and leads the go ahead 119 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 4: touchdown drive. So it was weird when you knew that 120 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,119 Speaker 4: they needed to get a first down and probably throw there, 121 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 4: that they let Justin Fields throw that pass. 122 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to be a really interesting ten days 123 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh, I think talking about this and a really 124 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 2: interesting rest of the season. One thing that's really stuck 125 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 2: with me throughout this whole Russell Wilson period of him 126 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 2: starting is Mike Tomlin saying that I think it was 127 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 2: a report that he just he wanted to see what 128 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 2: he had in Russell Wilson, like he he had all 129 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 2: off season with Russell Wilson, and he wanted to take 130 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 2: a test drive and see what the difference was between 131 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 2: the two quarterbacks and what he had, and I expect 132 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 2: he's gonna stick with Russell Wilson in general. But when 133 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 2: you don't score a touchdown for almost eight straight quarters, 134 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 2: which is what happened here. We almost got to one 135 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 2: hundred and twenty minutes straight without a touchdown, and you 136 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 2: have a guy who's clearly better in the red zone, 137 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 2: I think Tomlin is thinking, hmm, maybe maybe I'll use 138 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 2: fields a little more. Who knows even and this game, 139 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 2: I don't know if which way it's going to convince him, 140 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 2: because it was kind of the full Russell Wilson experience, 141 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 2: where a lot of beautiful passes but a lot of 142 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 2: mind numbing mental mistakes. 143 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 4: You do think that like the reason that there is 144 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 4: never there has never really been like a true sort 145 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 4: of like quarterback rotation in game is because of the 146 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 4: egos involved like that that seems like a total recipe 147 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 4: for disaster within the locker room and with the two 148 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 4: quarterbacks in question. But I do think that if any 149 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 4: coach is able to manage those egos well, and I mean, 150 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 4: we can talk about some of the mistakes that Tomlin 151 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 4: made in this game managing and they lose this game, 152 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 4: so there's going to be heat on him. But in 153 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 4: terms of like managing personalities, that is like that's his superpower, 154 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 4: right like the you know, everybody's patting him on the 155 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 4: back rightfully. So I for we're going to Russell Wilson 156 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 4: mid season in the first place, I feel like if 157 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 4: any if anybody could do that and sort of mix 158 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 4: in both guys depending on the situation, it would be Tomlin. 159 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 2: I do too, And yet coming into this year, I 160 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 2: would have said Russell Wilson would have been about the 161 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 2: last quarterback that I think could have handled this. But 162 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 2: he's been by all accounts, and you can see it. 163 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 2: I think a very good teammate with Justin Fields has 164 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 2: handled everything well, handled it well when he was a backup, 165 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 2: and maybe he's down with it. It's he's at a 166 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 2: fit portion of his career. And we'll see, because I 167 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 2: know Drew Brees did not love it when they were 168 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 2: pulling him out for Taysom Hill. But that's a little 169 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 2: different situation where one guy is a clearly established future 170 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 2: Hall of Famer and the others a gadget guy. We'll 171 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 2: get to that in a second. I want to go 172 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 2: back to that last drive and all these last drives 173 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 2: because they were fascinating. On the last drive in the snow, 174 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 2: fourth and three, Jerry Judy catches an out route, and 175 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 2: that's kind of what I want to point out about 176 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 2: Jamis twenty seven passes tonight for two hundred and nineteen yards. 177 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 2: If you go back and watch that Saints game a 178 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 2: week ago, I even dare anyone who doesn't have a 179 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 2: family and frankly doesn't like themselves to go back and 180 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 2: watch that Chargers game where everyone said Jamis stunk because 181 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 2: he had a bunch of interceptions. He still had like 182 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 2: like seven or eight gorgeous throws. He's been spinning the 183 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 2: ball very well and I think fits and Kevin Stefanski's offense. Obviously, 184 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 2: that first game he had back was fantastic, and I 185 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 2: think you saw it tonight, like he was pushing the 186 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 2: ball down the field in the snow. There were a 187 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 2: lot of high level throws. Yeah, he had the interception. 188 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 2: I mean that the fumble was not on him, but 189 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 2: it does say a lot fourth down in a big spot, 190 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 2: and really throughout the entire second half, they were trusting Jamis. 191 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 2: They kind of thought, I don't know if this is 192 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 2: gonna work with Nick Chubb and our offensive line on 193 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 2: the ground. That's not going to work. Like, let's just 194 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 2: trust Jamis in his arm and have some fun. 195 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, I know that. 196 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 4: The like the book on Ken Dorsey in Cleveland's like 197 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 4: this guy leans on the pass a little bit too much, 198 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 4: like he doesn't run it enough. And it was almost 199 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 4: as if they came out in this game and it 200 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 4: was like he had been chastised to try to run 201 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,319 Speaker 4: the ball first. And the first two drives are three 202 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 4: and out like they're trying to go run first and 203 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 4: it just doesn't work. They look terrible, and so then 204 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 4: that third drive they finally open it up. You know, 205 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,559 Speaker 4: they get they bring in Michael Dunn for the heavy 206 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 4: sixth offensive line package. All of a sudden, they go 207 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 4: down score a touchdown because they're they're throwing the ball 208 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 4: and they are trusting Jamis. That was a beautiful throw 209 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,199 Speaker 4: to Jerry Judy, But what did you make of the 210 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 4: sequence right before it? So there's the what could have 211 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 4: been the intentional grounding, which is also of very Jamis play. 212 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 4: They called the illegal touching, And then there's the very 213 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 4: long back and forth with Mike Tomlin about whether they 214 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:09,719 Speaker 4: wanted to be third and seven or third and eight 215 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 4: or fourth and two, fourth and three. 216 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't understand that. And that was actually after 217 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 2: so the Judy fourth down comes first. I mean, this 218 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 2: game was so insane. It's easy to forget that the 219 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 2: Browns had the ball in Pittsburgh territory because their punter 220 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 2: punted at fifteen yards and there was a couple punts 221 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 2: like that tonight was just ghastly. I think one was 222 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 2: by the Browns when one was by. 223 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 4: The Actually there was a great Al Michaels Like what 224 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 4: is that on the first one in the first quarter. 225 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 4: I thought, by the way, I thought, this game totally 226 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 4: rejuvenated Al. I thought Al was yes, like this was like, oh, 227 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 4: finally a game that I can enjoy. 228 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:52,479 Speaker 2: I've been very hard on Al. He's still Al Michaels, 229 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 2: and when he's kind of like this game was how 230 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 2: when you watch a great Aaron Rodgers throw or Kirk 231 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 2: Cousin's throw this year, there's still great throws or like 232 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 2: they have great drives and maybe it's not consistent like 233 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:09,079 Speaker 2: you want it, but this game was like a gorgeous 234 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 2: throw by Al Michaels. I'm totally with you he was 235 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 2: up for it. Kirk was mostly up for it. Kirk 236 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 2: was Kirk. But yeah, they get the ball at the 237 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 2: forty five, they get it to the fourth and six, 238 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 2: they get Judy and I was really impressed by that 239 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 2: through I wanted to point it out because Nate Herbert, 240 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 2: who's had a great game, hits Winston as he's throwing out, 241 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,079 Speaker 2: so game's basically over if Winston doesn't deliver from the podka. 242 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 2: That's why he got drafted first overall was because, you know, 243 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 2: people that weren't that smart were like, there's a little 244 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 2: Peyton Manning in him. He reads the field so well 245 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 2: and he's just so good from the pocket. Like that 246 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 2: was the type of play people got excited about as 247 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 2: a prospect. That decision that Tomlin made and then unmade, 248 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 2: and then made and then unmade. It was on a 249 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:51,079 Speaker 2: third and two. I'm not going to kill him either way. 250 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 2: The only thing that was confusing to me is like, 251 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 2: why is he allowed to change his mind five times? 252 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 2: And why did the game stop for five minutes? He 253 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 2: was basically choosing between a third and two, I mean 254 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 2: a fourth and two or a third and seven with 255 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 2: the game on the line, so you could have made 256 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 2: one play to end the game on fourth and two, 257 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 2: or do you back them up and make the third 258 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 2: and seven. I probably would have leaned forth in two, 259 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 2: but I actually don't I don't have a hot take 260 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 2: on that. I just don't understand. Why is why are 261 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 2: they allowed to change their mind and go back and forth. 262 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 4: It looked to me like he declined it, and then 263 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 4: when the Browns sent their offense on the field like 264 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 4: they were going to go for it, then he decided 265 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 4: to accept it. Like he didn't want them, he wanted 266 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 4: he wanted them to kick a field goal. He didn't 267 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 4: think they could make the field goal. But once they 268 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 4: said they were going for it, and it's like, okay, no, no, no, 269 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 4: then I actually want to accept it. But that doesn't 270 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 4: seem fair. 271 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 2: That doesn't seem fair at all. And I actually think 272 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:44,319 Speaker 2: you're right, you you you got smarted me and maybe 273 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:45,839 Speaker 2: the rest of the audience. This is why we got 274 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 2: bo Wolf. But Wolf. By the way, check out his 275 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 2: PHO Y Eagles podcast with the Man Zach Berman, the 276 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 2: best comedy duo with Zak as the straight man that 277 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 2: is Zach mainly in an NFL podcast. So that decision 278 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 2: wasn't crazy to me. But then Jamis hits an absolutely 279 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 2: gorgeous throw there to Judy again again while he's getting 280 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 2: hit by Ogan Jobi. There's a penalty on the Steelers 281 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 2: after the play for delaying the game. Roger Sherman on 282 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 2: Twitter believes that was intentional to put them inside the 283 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 2: ten and try to shorten the game. And I think 284 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:23,959 Speaker 2: they let them. I think they let Nick Chubb score. 285 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 2: I went back and watched those plays, and I know 286 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 2: Nick Chubb got tackled, but I don't think they were 287 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 2: really trying to tackle him. On the first play, they 288 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 2: were just trying to knock the ball out, and then 289 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 2: on the second play, I think they let him in 290 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,559 Speaker 2: to try to get the ball back. Do you think 291 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 2: it's better to be down five in that scenario and 292 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 2: try to score in the snow or see if you 293 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 2: can get a block on the field goal or a 294 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 2: FuMB bok. I actually think I might take my chances 295 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:47,079 Speaker 2: and just try to stop. 296 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 4: Him, well, knowing it's the Browns and anything could happen, 297 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 4: I might be in that way. I don't I don't 298 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 4: know if I buy that they did that penalty from 299 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 4: the fourteen on purpose, because it wasn't. It was a 300 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 4: free snap. It's not like the coaches were calling it in. 301 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 4: That's usually when you would see that happen. It would 302 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 4: have taken unbelievable awareness for a rookie to do that, 303 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 4: knowing that the ball was down on the fourteen right 304 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 4: after it happened. I'm not sure. I'm not sure I'm 305 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 4: willing to go there, but I do think I'm with you. 306 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 4: Especially on the touchdown run. It seemed like they were 307 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 4: they were like, okay, kid. 308 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 2: It, yes, let's actually listen to that touchdown run. What 309 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 2: a moment Nick Chubb. I know he hasn't been running 310 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 2: great this year, but for him to be out there 311 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 2: in the snow against the team who he was facing 312 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 2: when he suffered that career changing injury and to have 313 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 2: the game winning touchdown is awesome. Let's listen to Andrew. 314 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: Shotgun from the two chump to back jamis the staff 315 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: hit the chump, chump running chump touchdown. 316 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 2: Nick Chubb did it. 317 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: He stayed on his stat the Brown ticul the lya 318 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: fifty seven seconds to go, have the Brown lead the 319 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,479 Speaker 1: Steelers twenty four to nineteen. 320 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's Andrew getting it done. I love it, 321 00:14:56,400 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 2: and we'll actually have Andrew on this TNF recap program 322 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 2: the next time the Browns are in prime time. Because 323 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 2: the Browns are always in prime time. They're just living 324 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 2: in primetime the next four weeks. Bo and I was 325 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 2: complaining about it on our very last show, and now 326 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 2: I embrace it. Let's just get more Jamis. It's gonna 327 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 2: be fun. 328 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 5: Absolutely. 329 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 4: I was thinking about, you know, just the Browns fans 330 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 4: and even you know, given the connection, like like the 331 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 4: Browns family members, Like you're going to this game. This 332 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 4: is a hopeless season. They're two and eight. You're sitting 333 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 4: in this terrible weather and like what are we doing here? 334 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 4: Why is this the way that I'm spending my life? 335 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 4: And then you get this unbelievable game and then it 336 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 4: looks like they've blown it and you're like, oh my god, likeugh, 337 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 4: but then like they come back, they win this game, 338 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 4: and just the beauty of that as a two and 339 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 4: eight fan, like this is what it's all about. They 340 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 4: got the one thing, the one positive memory they will 341 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 4: probably have of this season. 342 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 2: I think they are the best. I think they are 343 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 2: the best fans. It's hard to just to just pick one. 344 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 2: I think the Bills are in the mix, and I 345 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 2: think the Lions are in the mix. I kind of 346 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 2: lean on the old school teams who have been through 347 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 2: a lot of heartache but haven't lost any of the 348 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 2: passion and I and I think the Browns are the 349 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 2: tops of those because it's ridiculous that that place was 350 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 2: packed out. And I know there were some Steelers fans there, 351 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 2: but it was mostly Browns and they were going crazy 352 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 2: having the time of their lives. One of those fans 353 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 2: there bo was our very own Nick Shook. We actually 354 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 2: have a picture if you're watching on YouTube of that 355 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 2: Nick took during the game. He has great seats right 356 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 2: near the field, I think he I mean, and it's 357 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 2: just a beautiful shot with the snow coming down. And 358 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 2: that's what you know, That's what being a sports fan 359 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 2: is all about. Who cares that the season was so bad? 360 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 2: Tonight was magical regardless. Let's let's go back and talk 361 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 2: about that drive where Jameis Winston finished it off with 362 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 2: with the crazy play. Let's let's actually listen to Andrews 363 00:16:58,040 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 2: call that We're just good. We're just gonna lean on Andrews' 364 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 2: eleono this show thrashing the game to the right. 365 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 1: Now Ford moshoes to the left, Winchton to throw fourth out, 366 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: Winchin under pressure, trembling puck. 367 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 2: Pink, He's gonna run. He jumps, touchdown. 368 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,400 Speaker 1: Jameis Witchton hot fourth. 369 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 5: Downe bucks sixteen to six. 370 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,679 Speaker 1: They're gonna go for two in this snow here Jamus 371 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: shotgun two point conversion, looking left, throwing Hi Nu Joku 372 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 1: dot you come down with it, Yes, sir, he didn't. 373 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 2: Drop this one. 374 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: David Nijoku two point conversion. Brown's lead by twelve, eighteen 375 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: to six. 376 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 2: What a sequence there, So it's to set it up. 377 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 2: Twelve minutes left in the game. They're up ten to six. 378 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 2: Going into that, Nadjoku drops a great play call, wide 379 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 2: open touchdown on third down, and he decides to go 380 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,120 Speaker 2: for it instead of going for the field goal. There, 381 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 2: Kevin Stefanski's showing some stones, sewing some faith, and that 382 00:17:55,840 --> 00:18:00,120 Speaker 2: play looked like it had nothing going on. And uh 383 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 2: with Ryan Fitzpatrick, you know in the stadium for Amazon, 384 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 2: that was a very Ryan Fitzpatrick jumping at the goal 385 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 2: line helicopter touchdown, just like absolutely insane, going over the 386 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 2: top to get the touchdown, and then in Djoku making 387 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 2: a crazy catch that was magical and like the game 388 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 2: was just warming up at. 389 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 4: That point and just to guess up, Ceciliana, what a 390 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 4: great call there to get the excitement while also slipping 391 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 4: in the subtle dig and just for the drop like 392 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 4: that's that's just high level stuff. 393 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 2: It really was, and that's that's not Jamis's forte creating 394 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 2: when things aren't going well necessary. 395 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 4: You see him sort of like take a pause at 396 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 4: the top of his drop there, he like he takes 397 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 4: a little bit of a half look like, am. 398 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 5: I about to get sacked? 399 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 4: Oh, I guess I can sort of move and then 400 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:43,439 Speaker 4: and then he gets out of the pocket and he 401 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 4: sees that he has that little alley. 402 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 5: It's it was very fun. 403 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 4: And that's what knocked out the little the little battery, 404 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 4: which was very cool. 405 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 2: Yes, on the two point conversion, they show after the 406 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 2: play that the battery on his helmet kind of got 407 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 2: knocked out while he got hit and then it's just 408 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 2: it's just dangling in front of his eyes like a 409 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 2: clock while he's making that play. It was fantastic. That's 410 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 2: actually a good time to mention, like where's TJ Watt 411 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 2: on any of these plays? You totally shut down Lamar Jackson. 412 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 2: You don't let him out of the pocket. I went 413 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 2: and looked twenty seven pass rushes tonight. One pressure was 414 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 2: not a quick pressure. And all night they're like, oh, 415 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 2: they're double teaming them like crazy, They're chipping them like crazy. 416 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 2: I mean, don't I can't vouch for the next gen 417 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 2: stats data being in one hundred percent accurate. They said 418 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 2: he was double team three times. So Miles Garrett apparently 419 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 2: went into this game annoyed about the TJ. Watt Miles 420 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 2: Garrett comparisons. Miles Garrett had eight pressures, three sacks. Wat Right, TJ. Watt, 421 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 2: Who's been a little quiet this year except for game 422 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 2: changing plays, which is a big except for but like 423 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 2: his pressure numbers haven't nearly been there. Quiet night, bad 424 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 2: night for his candidacy a defensive player of the year, 425 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 2: Bad night for Tomlin's coach of the year candidacy. 426 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 5: That's true, and they did. 427 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 4: On the third sack for Garrett, one of his teammates 428 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 4: came in and did put the crown on his head. 429 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 4: So I think, you know, means it's very fair to 430 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 4: assume that there is uh like that that is a 431 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 4: personal rivalry, that that that the teammates take on between 432 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 4: those two guys, who's better. I'm giving you, I'm giving 433 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:17,360 Speaker 4: you a different thing for the dangle on Jameis Winston's Yes, 434 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 4: I'm going anglerfish. This is this is a remnant of 435 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 4: my you know, my son's former interest in in ocean animals. 436 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 5: I'm going anglerfish there. 437 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 2: I love that this is Bo is like Bo's a host. 438 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 2: Actually doing the show with you both is making me 439 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 2: feel my my shortcomings as a host because you would 440 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 2: be peppering your people with questions. I just like say 441 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 2: a strong, like an opinion, and then I just stopped 442 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 2: talking and just wait for the. 443 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 5: Next But I think it's fun. That's that's part of 444 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 5: the conversation. 445 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 2: It is fun, Like maybe we should have seen this 446 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 2: game coming. Tomlin, there's this there was this crazy stat 447 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 2: floating around that he hasn't won on the road on 448 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 2: Thursday nights. Do you make anything of that? In terms 449 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 2: of AFC North Thursday Night football, he was winless. I 450 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 2: think he was zero to five or something like that. 451 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 2: AFC North teams at home on Thursday Night Football are 452 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 2: seventeen and two. So for whatever reason, it's very hard 453 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 2: for this division. It's it's not a long trip, but 454 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 2: there's something to it. 455 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 4: I do think that there is something to and this 456 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 4: Steelers team is different because they have won some games 457 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,199 Speaker 4: like handily right that they have not just been all 458 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 4: one score games. But the notion that this is just 459 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 4: a team that knows how to win these these tight 460 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 4: games and that's their superpower, Like, I think it lays 461 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 4: that to waste a little bit, that this team is 462 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,640 Speaker 4: better than that, they're not just reliant on winning one 463 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 4: score games. 464 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 5: But it's also tough. 465 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 4: It's a tough loss for them in the sense that 466 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 4: like this was the kind of game they like to play. 467 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 4: It was sort of played on their terms, and they 468 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 4: won the turnover battle three to one, and they still 469 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 4: lost the game. Before before we went on, I was 470 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,199 Speaker 4: I was looking it up. In Tomlin's career, this is 471 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 4: the first time in eighteen seasons in which he has 472 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 4: lost two games in the season when the team won 473 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 4: the turnover battle by by at least two. 474 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 2: Every Tomlin stat is crazy though, too, because they've also 475 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 2: won two games this year where they haven't scored a 476 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 2: touchdown and they're actually the first team I was surprised 477 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 2: by this. They're the first team to do that since 478 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 2: the two bucks. It's hard to win games without scoring 479 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 2: a touchdown, so it's a win. Two and one season 480 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 2: is very hard. And there was a segment of this 481 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 2: game where I thought they at least had a chance 482 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 2: because they were down ten to six going into the 483 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 2: fourth quarter they still hadn't scored a touchdown. I'm like, 484 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 2: they're gonna do it again. They're gonna bang two more 485 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 2: field goals in this game and wind up winning, and 486 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 2: it didn't happen. Defense ultimately wasn't good enough, even though 487 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter they they did force two turnovers. 488 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 2: Or in the second half, they get the force fumble 489 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 2: on Jamis and they get the interception on Jamis, but 490 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 2: they give up the two drives. Okay, I thought after 491 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 2: that Jamis sequence, like this is too perfect. Just end 492 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 2: the game right now with the dangling battery, cause it's 493 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 2: it's bound to go bad. And it did. They have 494 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 2: that quick drive where Fields had the run. Like you mentioned, 495 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:10,679 Speaker 2: Fields ends up three for twenty six, but that was 496 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 2: a thirty yard run. He had the fourth down fail 497 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 2: earlier in the game, and that was a big difference 498 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 2: in the game. The Browns went four for four on 499 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,160 Speaker 2: fourth down and the Steelers went one for three. 500 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 4: Yes, two yeah, and they also missed a field goal, 501 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 4: so that was they were batting short yardage in this game. 502 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 2: That mattered for sure, right, and Russell Wilson made some 503 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,679 Speaker 2: mental mistakes, Like the first half was very Russell Wilson. 504 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 2: We'll get into this retreated. 505 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 5: It was very Russell go ahead. 506 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 2: Right, and in the fourth quarter, so they get that 507 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,199 Speaker 2: drive where Jalen Warren gets the touchdown, they get the 508 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 2: strip sack herbig has been awesome by the way, six pressures. 509 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 2: He's great. And then immediately Russell Wilson gets back on 510 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 2: the field and on the third play of that drive, 511 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 2: you know they're in Browns territory. He comes up with 512 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 2: a great throw to take the lead. 513 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 5: Fall to twenty three yard line. 514 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 1: Wilson gets the snap, Browns bringing five men, throws over 515 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: the middle of the field, Calvin Austin touchdown, Pittsburgh Steelerskelvin Austin, 516 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 1: you're a giant. 517 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 2: Man, and what a giant rus Yes, please, well, I. 518 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,159 Speaker 4: Was struck by in the first half. All of all 519 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 4: of Russell's big plays were coming on third and long 520 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 4: and having covered Jim Schwartz in Philadelphia, you know I'm 521 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 4: accustomed to, like the sticks defense that he used to do, 522 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 4: which was like, we might get beat in front of us, 523 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 4: but we're not going to get beat deep. And so 524 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 4: as this game goes on, it played out. Russell Wilson 525 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 4: in this game had five completions of twenty yards or 526 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 4: more on third and long, so we're defining that third 527 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 4: and six. That is the most of any quarterback in 528 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,439 Speaker 4: a game this season. And number two is Justin Herbert, 529 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 4: who had four also against this Browns defense. 530 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 2: Wow, that at shocking. And he does do that sticks 531 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 2: thing still sometimes, but you're right, it must not be 532 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 2: very often. I thought the whole. 533 00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 5: Cauld be getting beat deep in that situation. 534 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 2: No, you're right, and I thought, like the whole key 535 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,439 Speaker 2: against russ just play deep safeties, like stay on the outside, 536 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,199 Speaker 2: stay in the corner, take away the middle. But that 537 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 2: was a beautiful throat in the middle of the field. 538 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 2: He had another chance to get one to Pickens earlier 539 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 2: and they weren't on the same page. But actually the 540 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 2: numbers according to next Gen he went ten for fourteen 541 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,679 Speaker 2: against split safety coverage for one hundred and sixty five 542 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 2: yards and a touchdown. I think that was probably the 543 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 2: touchdown there. And so Russell Wilson is so hard to 544 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 2: figure because you look at the numbers. 545 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 5: In some of those plants. 546 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 4: He throws those slants so beautifully, like he stuck a 547 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 4: couple in in really tight windows in this game. When 548 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 4: he was throwing the ball for the most part, it 549 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 4: looked good. But yes, it's the decision making that for 550 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 4: a guy who is as experienced as he is, really 551 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 4: makes you scratch your head. 552 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 2: Right, it's a better version of what he was last 553 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 2: year in Denver, where if you just looked at the stats, 554 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 2: it was one thing, but if you watch the games 555 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 2: and watch Sean Payton like losing his mind, it was another. 556 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 2: Like Russell finishes twenty one for twenty eight for two 557 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 2: hundred and seventy yards and a touchdo, which is great. 558 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 2: In the first half he was he hit his first 559 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 2: eleven passes for one hundred and forty seven yards and 560 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,199 Speaker 2: so that seems like you're having an awesome half. But 561 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 2: he took three sacks. One killed the drive to make 562 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,120 Speaker 2: Boswell have to go for a fifty seven yarder, which 563 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 2: was which rules another one. I was listening to the 564 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 2: radio on the way back then I try to catch 565 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 2: up on YouTube, and Mike Golick Senior did a nice 566 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,399 Speaker 2: job of pointing out on the third down on another 567 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 2: sack where they did hit the field goal, he missed 568 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 2: Calvin Austin wide open in the middle of the field. 569 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,159 Speaker 2: On the broadcast, I think, like, that's that's Wilson's mo 570 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 2: o and Seattle. That's what drove everyone crazy, everything crazy. 571 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 2: He never sees the middle of the field. And I 572 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,239 Speaker 2: went back and looked just to confirm it, and it 573 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 2: was that. But he also had dimes tonight, like he 574 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 2: threw the ball well down the field to pickens a 575 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 2: couple times. He had a great throw on fourth and 576 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 2: one the fourth down that they did pick up. Like 577 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,959 Speaker 2: he does enough good things that you forgive the sacks 578 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 2: that he takes. He's just like a little maddening and 579 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 2: never has really learned to be a game manager like 580 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 2: that is like to manage different situations is not really 581 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 2: his thing. 582 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,400 Speaker 4: And as we talked about it was it's so interesting 583 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 4: that after he throws that beautiful touchdown pass to Calvin 584 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 4: Austin to give them the lead the next drive, when 585 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:14,640 Speaker 4: they have a chance to salt away the game, that's 586 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 4: when they pull him for Justin fields. It's so like 587 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,640 Speaker 4: I I'd love to love to get the truth here 588 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 4: and with with Mike Tomlin about that. 589 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,360 Speaker 2: It is fascinating. A few more little things before we go. 590 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 2: The play that might have really turned the game around 591 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 2: was the penalty on Grant Delpit after he did one 592 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 2: of my favorite unnecessary roughness or whatever that call was. Yeah, 593 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 2: he instead of snatching someone's chain bow, he snatched the 594 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 2: mouthpiece out. Is that new? I don't know if I've 595 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 2: ever seen this mouthpiece snatch. 596 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 5: And it's it's a little bit disturbing how easily it 597 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:48,640 Speaker 5: comes out. 598 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 2: It really is. That really did change the game because 599 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 2: he went from. 600 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 4: Second and goal at the eight to first and goal 601 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 4: at the three or something like that. 602 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 2: Right, yeah, at least at the eight, and that was 603 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 2: after a faate. Like I just felt like they're not 604 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 2: going to score once they get to the ten. If 605 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,160 Speaker 2: you've watched the Steelers this year, they never score once 606 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 2: a get inside of ten. They can only score from 607 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 2: the twenty out. I think they're thirtieth or thirty first 608 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,640 Speaker 2: in red zone offense. I think their last actually since 609 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 2: Russell Wilson took over, and they just can never figure 610 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 2: things out. Arthur Smith just it's not happening for them 611 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 2: in the red zone and they went backwards on a 612 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,239 Speaker 2: Quarterrell Patterson run there, and I'm thinking, they're never going 613 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,679 Speaker 2: to get this done. And then George Pickens, who is 614 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 2: maybe the number one instigator in the NFL now he 615 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 2: makes everyone mad and he always gets in these wrestling matches. 616 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,360 Speaker 2: I love him. He is amazing. 617 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 5: Did we see what happened at the end of the game. 618 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 5: No they didn't. 619 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 2: Oh no, yeah, and he almost was like he. 620 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 4: Took he gone back with the fans that after the 621 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 4: Hail Mary at the end of the game. By the way, 622 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 4: we didn't talk about Russell Wilson just getting absolutely lit 623 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 4: up on that hail. 624 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 5: Mary by Jordan Hicks. 625 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 4: I mean, he gets he just gets Planted's tough to watch. 626 00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 2: It was. He took a lot of tough hits. I mean, 627 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 2: Russell Wilson is one of the toughest quarterbacks I've ever 628 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 2: seen in my life. I always am amaze how he 629 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 2: takes brutal hits and he never seems worse for wear. 630 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 2: He never does the thing where like Jamis when he 631 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 2: hit that Judy throw, he barely got touched, but he 632 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 2: started crawling afterwards, and I'm like, oh, no, it's James hurt. 633 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 2: But it's like, no, Javis is just having some fun 634 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 2: trying to get a penalty. Like Russell Wilson's the opposite. 635 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 2: He'll get blasted and he never shows it, Like that 636 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 2: man is thick. That man, he's a tough man. Not 637 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 2: that I need to tell him that. 638 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's fair. Do you think what do you think 639 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 5: moving forward? 640 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 4: Do you think they're gonna do a little like dance 641 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 4: with the two of them. 642 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 2: I think it'll be more of this. I think it'll 643 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 2: be mostly Russell Wilson, but I think they will use 644 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 2: justin fields when they think appropriate, in the red zone 645 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 2: or in short yards. The problem was it didn't really 646 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 2: work tonight. The first play call that Fields was going 647 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 2: to run, they had a penalty because the tight end moved. 648 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 2: And then the second one had no chance. It wasn't 649 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 2: Fields's fault, but it had no chance. 650 00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 5: Yeah. 651 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 4: Now on the other side, what do we think of 652 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 4: the Kevin Stefanski of it all? Like all the talk 653 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 4: coming in is like all the six of the last 654 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 4: seven Browns head coaches have been fired after losses to 655 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 4: the Steelers. Now they're three and eight, how do you 656 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,719 Speaker 4: feel about the Stefanski future. 657 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 2: I love that year taking over here. You actually sent 658 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 2: me some notes before the Cases was a game that 659 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 2: you might want to talk. One of them was Stefanski trade. 660 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 2: Tell me more about that. But obviously Kevin Stefanski being 661 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 2: the first Browns coach to win back to back games 662 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 2: against the Steelers since two thousand and one, they have 663 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 2: not won back to back game. That's got to help. 664 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 2: I think Jimmy Haslam, their owner, who used to be 665 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 2: a part owner of the Steelers, and I believe used 666 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 2: to be a Steelers fan. This means a little more 667 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 2: to him, and I think beating the Steelers on national 668 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 2: TV and seeing that they're a much better team. Frankly 669 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 2: with Jamis Winston, they're not a good team, but they're 670 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 2: a much better team with Jamis Winston. I think it's 671 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 2: got to help Stefanski not mention the back to back, 672 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 2: you know, not back to back but two time Coach 673 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 2: of the Year winner. 674 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, obviously we're not even talking about the 675 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 4: Deshaun Watson of it all. That's the real the undercurrent here, 676 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 4: that's that's their whole season. But this, this idea occurred 677 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 4: to me because I was listening to Zach Jackson's podcast 678 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 4: from The Athletic for you know, getting getting prepped for 679 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 4: this game, and he was talking about they're probably not 680 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 4: It wouldn't make sense to fire Stefanski mid season if 681 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 4: that it was something they wanted to do, because there 682 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 4: probably would be interest league wide in the trade. You know, 683 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 4: we don't see a lot of trades, but we saw 684 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 4: the Sean Payton trade. I think we saw the Bruce 685 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 4: arians trade was the most recent one before that. I 686 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 4: don't know if they would do that. I feel like 687 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 4: you lose all your leverage if it's a guy you're 688 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 4: just going to fire. But I think I think Stefanski 689 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 4: would be a coach who would be like a relatively 690 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 4: hot commodity giving the given the amount of openings there 691 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 4: could be, and I was trying to think of what 692 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 4: team might be willing to trade for him. The only 693 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 4: one that that sort of made sense to me is Jacksonville, 694 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 4: because that's an owner that is just trying desperately to 695 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 4: figure it out somehow. They have like they've tried all 696 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 4: of these different avenues, and I think you could maybe 697 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 4: talk yourself into this as a guy who can who 698 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 4: can help Trevor Lawrence, but I don't know. 699 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 2: Schefter threw it out there this week there could be 700 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 2: up to nine head coaching hirings firings, and I was like, 701 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 2: I thought that was a crazy number, and then I 702 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 2: started writing down and we might do a segment on 703 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 2: this soon. There are a lot it's very early. We 704 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 2: have seven games left for a lot of these teams, 705 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 2: and I think it's gonna be over five. I don't know. 706 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 2: I think the beard alone that Stefanski has is worth 707 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 2: a conditional seventh. 708 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 4: I agree with that the beard is fantastic as as 709 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 4: someone who's rocking a salt and pepper Now myself. 710 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 2: I know we're both with fledged. I would say maybe 711 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 2: fledgling beards mine. I think I'm actually gonna bring mine back. 712 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 2: It's only been a couple of weeks here and I'm gonnaink. 713 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 2: I'm gonna go back to this doubles soon. But that 714 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 2: if I had a beard like that, I would I 715 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 2: would walk around just with incredible confidence, the confidence of 716 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 2: a Kevin Sefanski. He's always carried himself like a two 717 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 2: time Coach of the Year winner. 718 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 4: Lay not to not to reference an old trope on 719 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 4: the show. But I do think it's a very nice zatty. 720 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 6: Look. 721 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I I don't disagree. He's a handsome man. 722 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 2: And I don't know if you would really have that 723 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 2: much interest in the trademark. You don't think, I think no, 724 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 2: I think for a coach to really have trade value. 725 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 4: He's like for a seventh so like it could be 726 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 4: something at that level, but it's such a weird thing 727 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 4: to trade for a coach. 728 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 6: Like. 729 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 2: I also thought they tried to make it somewhat illegal, 730 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 2: but then the Sean Payton thing happened, and who knows. 731 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 2: You also wrote down Jermaine Affetti you wanted to talk 732 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 2: about Jermaine going to get here, who almost was. 733 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 5: A real goat in this game. 734 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 6: Give up? 735 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, he gave up the sack. That jamis Winston. It 736 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 2: was not Winston's fault. By the way, I had someone 737 00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 2: respond to me on Blue Sky that like, like, oh, 738 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 2: now Winston's being Winston. I'm like, they got that guy 739 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 2: got there in a second and a half on the 740 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 2: blind side that is not on the quarterback. 741 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you'd like to see him hold onto 742 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 4: the ball, but the. 743 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 2: Service but that was I mean not really in a 744 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:13,359 Speaker 2: second and a half. 745 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,320 Speaker 5: I mean they left the they let the guy go free, 746 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 5: like yeah. 747 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna kill him for that, and Fetti had 748 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 2: a big penalty earlier. That was that was the one 749 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,320 Speaker 2: that that Winston made up. Wait, what is your Affetti? 750 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 4: I mean it's a very silly thing, but but he 751 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,840 Speaker 4: holds a special place in the Birds with Friends a 752 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 4: verse is what I will call it, which is which 753 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 4: dates back to when Sheil Capatia was the Seahawks reporter 754 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 4: for ESPN and they did the pre draft like NFL 755 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,800 Speaker 4: Nation mock draft. It's very funny, like the prediction of 756 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 4: who the pick is going to be, and Siel says like, 757 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 4: I think that the Seahawks are gonna draft JERMAINEA. Fetti 758 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 4: for whatever reason, whatever reason, and then they flashed to 759 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 4: the panel and Bill Pullion comes on and just crushes it, 760 00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 4: crushes Shiel everything he stands for, crushes are Fatti. 761 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:02,719 Speaker 5: There's no way this is going to be the pick. 762 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 5: And then he becomes the pick. 763 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,799 Speaker 4: So that makes that he's the entry to why why 764 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 4: Bill Pollion has been a future player for us for 765 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 4: many years? 766 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,880 Speaker 2: That is hilarious Bill Pollian, Like, uh, don't you have 767 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 2: a team to consult with to give them a totally 768 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 2: terrible head coaching higher It's like, when will we stop 769 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,920 Speaker 2: letting Bill Polly and consult on coaching hires of guys 770 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 2: that were good like fifteen years ago. It never works. 771 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 2: So that not that I'm annoyed still about Bill Pollion 772 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 2: changing the defensive holding. 773 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 5: You're on the right side of history here, Yeah, I 774 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 5: really am. 775 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,919 Speaker 2: I I love the garbage cans being banged that at 776 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,800 Speaker 2: like the snow and al and the garbage cans. Y. 777 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 2: This was one of my favorites. 778 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 4: That was totally fine. That gave that gave some color 779 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 4: to the game. That was totally fine with that. 780 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was. It was the best performance by 781 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:55,360 Speaker 2: a fan group in the entire season. Like the the 782 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:57,840 Speaker 2: big Men. There's large men. 783 00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:58,279 Speaker 5: Big men. 784 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 2: You were gonna say, Christy, Yeah I was, and then 785 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 2: I decided to not say it, but you said it 786 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,840 Speaker 2: for me. Yeah. My son Walker, we were watching the 787 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 2: game together and he's just like, why is everyone so 788 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 2: fat in Cleveland. It's like, yeah, well that's a that's 789 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 2: a kid just being honest. 790 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,719 Speaker 5: I mean, that's a that's a very la opinion. 791 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,280 Speaker 2: I mean, they were big, they were big guys. 792 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 4: I do like I will say, I prefer I like 793 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 4: the overalls, nothing underneath look for those guys as opposed 794 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 4: to the guys who just went straight no shirt. 795 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 2: I agree with you that that's a better look. And look, 796 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 2: it's easier to survive out there in in sub freezing 797 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,920 Speaker 2: snow conditions if you've got you know, if you've got 798 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 2: a big belly. 799 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 5: Got it's like a body walrus. 800 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 2: They Yeah, before we wrap up, let's let's go back 801 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 2: just quickly to before the game. And it's one of 802 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,240 Speaker 2: it's one of the reasons we love Jamis. It's it's 803 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:58,160 Speaker 2: not just the game, it's the it's the just the 804 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,319 Speaker 2: full Jamis of it all. This was him talking before 805 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:01,960 Speaker 2: the game. Weather conditions tonight. 806 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,759 Speaker 3: We're expecting wins up to fifteen miles per hour in 807 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:05,680 Speaker 3: a wintery mix. 808 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,279 Speaker 2: How will that impact your ability to throw the ball. 809 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 7: I'm so happy and grateful that the Lord has asked 810 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,319 Speaker 7: me to play in some snow, to be in true 811 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,880 Speaker 7: football weather in Cleveland, Ohio at Huntington bank Field today 812 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 7: to get him the glory. 813 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 2: It's a beautiful day. 814 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 5: I have seen that there right. 815 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,960 Speaker 2: I love that. I had not seen that, and it 816 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,879 Speaker 2: was perfect because it was barely snowing at that point, 817 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,400 Speaker 2: and by the end he got the snow game of 818 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,239 Speaker 2: his dreams, the first time he said he ever played 819 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:35,440 Speaker 2: in the snow in his entire life. 820 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 4: Also, I mean, what a what a company man to 821 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,360 Speaker 4: make sure that he says Huntington Bank and gets the 822 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,840 Speaker 4: official name of the stadium in there. I could not 823 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,440 Speaker 4: have told you that was the name of the stadium. 824 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 2: I honestly, that is the first time I've ever heard 825 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 2: that that's hunting. 826 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 4: It would be very funny if it wasn't, right, is it? Like, 827 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,399 Speaker 4: do we know that Jamis just made that up? That'd 828 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:55,759 Speaker 4: be great. 829 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,840 Speaker 2: It could be a fictional bank and I wouldn't be 830 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 2: surprised before I let you go bo just quickly. I 831 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,600 Speaker 2: wanted to give the Steelers schedule this this was a 832 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,319 Speaker 2: big loss. Uh, They're they're at eight and three now. 833 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,640 Speaker 2: Their upcoming schedule at Cincinnati home for the Browns, at 834 00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:17,319 Speaker 2: your Eagles, at the Ravens home for the Chiefs, and 835 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,719 Speaker 2: then home for the Bengals. That is that's a tough road. 836 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,839 Speaker 2: Let's say you split with the Bengals. You know it's 837 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:26,799 Speaker 2: a good team. Let's just say we you split. Let's 838 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 2: say you beat the Browns. You don't get swept by 839 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,680 Speaker 2: the Browns. Okay, that's that's two and one, So. 840 00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:32,920 Speaker 5: You get one of the next those three. 841 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,840 Speaker 2: But if you get one of the other three, I 842 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,200 Speaker 2: would say that's fine. At Philly, at Baltimore, Casey, that's 843 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:42,800 Speaker 2: three and three. And this this loss really looms large 844 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,920 Speaker 2: and kind of opens the door for the Ravens to 845 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:47,360 Speaker 2: come win this division. 846 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, although I you know, I'm not necessarily sure that 847 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,399 Speaker 4: I'm I'm counting the Mike Tomon of it all out. 848 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,840 Speaker 4: Maybe they could steal they could steal two of those three. 849 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,440 Speaker 4: But yeah, I think I think, you know, the numbers 850 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,440 Speaker 4: would tell us, the eye test would tell us that 851 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 4: on over a seventeen game span that the Ravens are 852 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,480 Speaker 4: probably a better team. So they have certainly opened the 853 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 4: door for them to come in. 854 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,239 Speaker 2: Not a great Tomlin game. Some game management stuff at 855 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,239 Speaker 2: the end of the first half, similar at the end 856 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,360 Speaker 2: of the second half. But I'll forgive it just for 857 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:18,800 Speaker 2: those clumps of snow. 858 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,800 Speaker 4: The Tomin experience is not about the the the micro 859 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,080 Speaker 4: of the in game decision making, right. It's about getting 860 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:25,759 Speaker 4: guys to play as hard as they can. 861 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,400 Speaker 2: It's about the vibes and so are you. Like I said, 862 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 2: check out Bo Wolf give you. I'm just gonna say it, 863 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:37,920 Speaker 2: the best team team podcasts out there, phl Y Eagles. 864 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 2: And you're holding up the Michael Dunn jersey. Explain why 865 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:43,440 Speaker 2: that was because you had a great stat when he 866 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:44,960 Speaker 2: was on the field in the first half. 867 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,799 Speaker 4: Three snaps, they hadn't had a first down the entire game. 868 00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,680 Speaker 4: Three snaps, two first downs and a touchdown. 869 00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,960 Speaker 2: And he's connected because he is he's married to your 870 00:39:56,120 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 2: former or current producer. 871 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,239 Speaker 4: Who's still at the athletic does fantastic work. She's a 872 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:07,440 Speaker 4: complete badass. And following the Michael Dunn story for the 873 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,960 Speaker 4: past however many years, has been has been a real pleasure. 874 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,799 Speaker 2: Uh bo wol If you are complete badass too, and 875 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,040 Speaker 2: that this isn't even the whole podcast. If I was 876 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,600 Speaker 2: a better host, I just got over zealous and over excited. 877 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,759 Speaker 2: But if you read the Team of the Year before 878 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,880 Speaker 2: listening to this, you would know that we also have 879 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,879 Speaker 2: an interview as part of this podcast. I've been talking 880 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,480 Speaker 2: about it earlier in the week. We're gonna hear from 881 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,080 Speaker 2: Anthony Weaver, the defensive coordinator of the Miami Dolphins, Jordan 882 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,719 Speaker 2: rod Rieg joins me for this conversation. It was a 883 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,960 Speaker 2: really good talk with an up and coming coordinator, probably 884 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,000 Speaker 2: a future NFL head coach. He's got a tough matchup 885 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,400 Speaker 2: this week against Drake May, but I didn't hold that 886 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:45,040 Speaker 2: against him. 887 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,440 Speaker 4: For the real, for the real Jordan Rodrigue heads. We 888 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,880 Speaker 4: had her on our show today talking about the Rams 889 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:51,640 Speaker 4: Eagles game and the Eagles front office. 890 00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,880 Speaker 5: If you really need more Jordan than your life, you 891 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:54,279 Speaker 5: have an. 892 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,759 Speaker 2: Extra we all do. Look at look at that pro 893 00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,759 Speaker 2: getting the plug in at the very last second. So 894 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,800 Speaker 2: we'll take a quick break and we'll listen to Anthony 895 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:18,440 Speaker 2: Weaver on the other end. All right, I'm very excited 896 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,160 Speaker 2: for our guests this week, a little different on NFL 897 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,680 Speaker 2: Daily here with Jordan Rodrigue of course, and welcoming in 898 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:30,759 Speaker 2: Anthony Weaver, the defensive coordinator of the Miami Dolphins with 899 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,759 Speaker 2: a very cool looking logo backdrop. There, you did it 900 00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:37,080 Speaker 2: upright on your zoom, Anthony, Thanks, Yeah, I did it 901 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 2: all myself. 902 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,920 Speaker 3: He drew the dolphin, you know, he programmed everything, installed 903 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,520 Speaker 3: the LED lighting. You know, I wouldn't be surprised based 904 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,239 Speaker 3: on the job you're doing over there. Covering every no 905 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,359 Speaker 3: stone is unturned over there. It seems like with your 906 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,719 Speaker 3: group this year, Anthony, Oh, you guys are. 907 00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:56,160 Speaker 8: Too kind, having incredible players who are going on giving 908 00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:56,920 Speaker 8: maximum effort. 909 00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:58,520 Speaker 6: Man, which is it all gives you a chance? 910 00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,840 Speaker 2: Okay, so now we're going to really really hard with 911 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,719 Speaker 2: like the hard hitting and no no. I was thinking 912 00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:06,960 Speaker 2: about you because I remember you as a player you 913 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:08,640 Speaker 2: happen to be and I think it was about the 914 00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,640 Speaker 2: second or third year of your career when I started 915 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,960 Speaker 2: my career covering the league. I remember you for those 916 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:17,120 Speaker 2: Ravens teams and the Texans, and I was thinking, I've 917 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,600 Speaker 2: seen that you've gotten a game ball as a coach 918 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,880 Speaker 2: as a defensive coordinator, Like, tell me about the different 919 00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:28,520 Speaker 2: satisfaction level maybe, which is different better whatever, between getting 920 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,560 Speaker 2: a game ball as a player and now you're you're 921 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:31,759 Speaker 2: doing it as a coordinator. 922 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,839 Speaker 8: I think getting the game ball as a player exactly 923 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:43,240 Speaker 8: much easier than trying as a cover, right, because ultimately, 924 00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,080 Speaker 8: as a player, like you're just responsible for the for 925 00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,239 Speaker 8: the one person yourself, Yeah, and you do everything you 926 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,240 Speaker 8: can to try to perfectly the week and prepare yourself 927 00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,840 Speaker 8: to go out there and make plays when they present 928 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,839 Speaker 8: themselves well as a coach now, like you go through 929 00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:58,960 Speaker 8: all those same processes and now you're doing it for 930 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,759 Speaker 8: third something on people. Oh, when those guys go out 931 00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,800 Speaker 8: there and obviously play the way they did, it's rewarding 932 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,200 Speaker 8: to get a game ball, but it's more it's more 933 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,440 Speaker 8: satisfying just to see those guys have the success because 934 00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,600 Speaker 8: of some of the work, just some of the work. 935 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,239 Speaker 3: That you've put for And you know, I think I 936 00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,560 Speaker 3: want to go a little deeper on that too, Anthony, 937 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:24,879 Speaker 3: because you're managing so many different types of people. You're 938 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,680 Speaker 3: reaching so many personalities. Like I covered Jalen Ramsey for 939 00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:33,239 Speaker 3: example in Los Angeles, and he just absolutely is a 940 00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,520 Speaker 3: rising tide that can lift all boats and such a 941 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,360 Speaker 3: unique individual. But you're also you know, you've got Kalas 942 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,719 Speaker 3: Campbell thirty eight years old and still doing the dang thing, 943 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,839 Speaker 3: and you've got just a bunch of players who are 944 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:44,960 Speaker 3: trying to show up and make plays for you, and 945 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,080 Speaker 3: a lot of moving parts. So how have you been 946 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,640 Speaker 3: your first year in this role? How have you reached 947 00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:55,720 Speaker 3: such a dynamic range of personalities and what communication levels 948 00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:59,560 Speaker 3: and layers differentiate when you're trying to for example, install 949 00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,319 Speaker 3: something with a very experienced players such as those two 950 00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:06,200 Speaker 3: I mentioned, but then also install something maybe complex with 951 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,640 Speaker 3: younger players, rookies, guys who are really trying to show 952 00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:09,600 Speaker 3: up on the tape for you. 953 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:11,200 Speaker 6: Yeah. 954 00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,440 Speaker 8: Well, to answer the first part of your question, I 955 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:17,239 Speaker 8: think my ability to kind of communicate and talk with 956 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,759 Speaker 8: a bunch of different type of people, I think it's 957 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,640 Speaker 8: truly a product of just the way I grew up. 958 00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:25,439 Speaker 6: I'm a very proud arm bred. 959 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,680 Speaker 8: My dad was in the Army for twenty one twenty 960 00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,520 Speaker 8: two years, and my mother actually surved for two as well, 961 00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:34,600 Speaker 8: so we moved like every four years, and that kind 962 00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,800 Speaker 8: of forced you to learn how to talk to people 963 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:42,440 Speaker 8: and kind of had you couldn't be shy, and I 964 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,319 Speaker 8: think naturally, by nature I was a shy kid, but 965 00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:48,440 Speaker 8: I knew that I couldn't be that way otherwise I 966 00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:52,920 Speaker 8: really was gonna have many friends. So that moving around 967 00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,960 Speaker 8: and kind of learning to kind of be personal and 968 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,480 Speaker 8: how to talk to people and develop relationships is absolutely 969 00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:03,360 Speaker 8: benefited me in my coaching career in terms of just 970 00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:07,480 Speaker 8: installing and trying to talk to just the different players, 971 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,279 Speaker 8: you know, at whatever stage of the career that a're in. 972 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:11,279 Speaker 8: I think the one thing you never want to do 973 00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,520 Speaker 8: as a coach is assume and take anything for granted, 974 00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,399 Speaker 8: because I would tell the guys all the time either 975 00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,080 Speaker 8: either growing or you're dying. So you try to make 976 00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,920 Speaker 8: sure you hit the elementary things absolutely, and you just 977 00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:25,680 Speaker 8: want to make sure you hit every detail with the 978 00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,160 Speaker 8: guys constantly, because there might be one day where if 979 00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:29,880 Speaker 8: it may sit there like, oh, I've heard this a 980 00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,200 Speaker 8: million times and there's something you said differently, and now 981 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,400 Speaker 8: now it clicks different and that's the difference between making 982 00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:40,080 Speaker 8: a play or just missing a play. So constantly talking 983 00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,320 Speaker 8: to guys like you can't assume anything right, cross every t, 984 00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,239 Speaker 8: dot every eye, and let's make sure we leave no 985 00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:46,919 Speaker 8: stone in turn. 986 00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,239 Speaker 2: Yeah. I heard one of your players, Anthony Walker, describe 987 00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,320 Speaker 2: the defense as complicated for them talking about the opponent 988 00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,680 Speaker 2: and simple for us, which I loved as a writer, 989 00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,719 Speaker 2: like that is concise, Like that is one of those 990 00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,880 Speaker 2: frames is you could put up on the walls in 991 00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,400 Speaker 2: Miami or whatever you always see had hard knocks with 992 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,400 Speaker 2: the motivational phrases that that's good. Complicated for them, simple 993 00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,239 Speaker 2: for us. What does that mean to you? 994 00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,680 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's the goal, that's ultimately the goal. Right. 995 00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:16,799 Speaker 8: I actually learned it from Rex Ryan. His philosophy was 996 00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,600 Speaker 8: the kill philosophy. Right, people just have kiss which keep 997 00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,480 Speaker 8: it simple. Stupid, Well, we don't. We don't think anybody 998 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,400 Speaker 8: is stupid. So we apply to kill flock. 999 00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:24,760 Speaker 6: Which. 1000 00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,719 Speaker 8: People just learn a variety of different ways. Right, You 1001 00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:31,880 Speaker 8: just gotta just gotta figure it. 1002 00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:33,759 Speaker 2: Out every once in a while. Though there's kind of 1003 00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:37,160 Speaker 2: a dummy. Though it's human nature. 1004 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:38,840 Speaker 6: You won't hear that from me. 1005 00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:41,759 Speaker 8: So k I L L. 1006 00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:43,960 Speaker 3: What does it mean and how do you apply it? 1007 00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,440 Speaker 8: Yeah, it means keep it likable and learnable. So the 1008 00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,200 Speaker 8: one thing first and foremost when when guys walk into 1009 00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,520 Speaker 8: that meeting room made I want them to want to 1010 00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,600 Speaker 8: be there. I don't want them to dread coming to meetings. 1011 00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,680 Speaker 8: We've all had those jobs, we've all been in those 1012 00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:58,360 Speaker 8: those classes. 1013 00:46:58,360 --> 00:46:59,759 Speaker 6: Go back to college where you had to go into the. 1014 00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:03,439 Speaker 8: Class and we're like, oh God, I gotta I listen 1015 00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,560 Speaker 8: to his teacher again. That's that's the first thing I 1016 00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:08,360 Speaker 8: want to get rid of. I want guys to be 1017 00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:13,440 Speaker 8: excited walking into building. And then we try to do 1018 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,600 Speaker 8: anything possible to make sure the information that we give 1019 00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:20,120 Speaker 8: him is very digestible. So we try to be bold, 1020 00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:24,719 Speaker 8: brilliant and brief, right because because the attention spans for 1021 00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,680 Speaker 8: some of these guys nowadays, particularly in the iPhone age, 1022 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,600 Speaker 8: like you just you can't sit up there and lecture. Oh, 1023 00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,800 Speaker 8: try very hard to make create an environment that guys 1024 00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,000 Speaker 8: want to be in. And then when we do present 1025 00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,440 Speaker 8: the information, we find a number of ways to try 1026 00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:39,920 Speaker 8: to give it to them so it retains and it 1027 00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:40,919 Speaker 8: hits them in the right way. 1028 00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:43,560 Speaker 3: But how do you do that? You know, I spoke 1029 00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,359 Speaker 3: with I know he won't mind me sharing this. When 1030 00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,120 Speaker 3: I spoke with Mike McDaniel right after he hired you, 1031 00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,920 Speaker 3: he said a he wanted somebody who could make the 1032 00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,759 Speaker 3: complex simple for players and communicate effectively and as a 1033 00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,480 Speaker 3: teacher and a teaching mindset, someone who could reach players 1034 00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,839 Speaker 3: who players wouldn't feel on guard or that could really 1035 00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,439 Speaker 3: be open with you. But also somebody who is going 1036 00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:07,080 Speaker 3: to be installing and evolving what's coming next in defense 1037 00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,440 Speaker 3: in this league. And you have to walk that line 1038 00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,240 Speaker 3: in your role because you're always trying to look around 1039 00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,560 Speaker 3: the corner and evolve into what's next while teaching something 1040 00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,160 Speaker 3: from the ground up. So what does that look like 1041 00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:22,920 Speaker 3: for you personally, and how do you keep pushing this system, 1042 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,719 Speaker 3: the scheme, this philosophy forward while game planning week to 1043 00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,360 Speaker 3: week and also making sure no player is left behind 1044 00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,160 Speaker 3: with what the baseline of the information is. 1045 00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,319 Speaker 8: Yeah, well I think that starts way back prior to 1046 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:39,239 Speaker 8: training campany each spring, when we install, we try to 1047 00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:43,919 Speaker 8: install concepts. Right, So once you learn a curl flat drop, 1048 00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,279 Speaker 8: we try to teach everybody a curl flat drop, and 1049 00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,640 Speaker 8: vice versa for a number of different things. We don't 1050 00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:50,480 Speaker 8: just say, hey, this is cover three, this is what 1051 00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,960 Speaker 8: it is, and then we just kind of mix and 1052 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,640 Speaker 8: match the people around, you know, manipulate coverages by half 1053 00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,360 Speaker 8: field and play with where you can and they and 1054 00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,719 Speaker 8: the beauty and we have we have some guys with 1055 00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:05,920 Speaker 8: some pretty high football intelligence and football IQ, so we 1056 00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,799 Speaker 8: can kind of move people around seamlessly. And it goes 1057 00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,480 Speaker 8: back to what Walk said, where we can we can 1058 00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,719 Speaker 8: do things that look complexity the offense but are very 1059 00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:14,480 Speaker 8: simple for us. 1060 00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:18,000 Speaker 6: The other thing is just schematically. 1061 00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:21,160 Speaker 8: In terms of like coverages and blitzes and coverage variation 1062 00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:21,640 Speaker 8: and things. 1063 00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,560 Speaker 6: Of that nature. We do a lot. Okay, we do. 1064 00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,880 Speaker 8: Now we found a way in teaching and teaching that 1065 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,719 Speaker 8: where again it's simple for our guys because we teach 1066 00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,680 Speaker 8: so so much part to hold right and then just 1067 00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:37,440 Speaker 8: in terms of trying to stay ahead of the trends 1068 00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,200 Speaker 8: because of that, like we go on to the game 1069 00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,439 Speaker 8: plan with a very concise menu. 1070 00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:42,640 Speaker 6: But because we've put. 1071 00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,160 Speaker 8: So much on tape, when you're an offense and you're 1072 00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:47,000 Speaker 8: studying us, you're like, oh, what are we going to see? 1073 00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:48,759 Speaker 8: Like they do this, they do that, We're not doing 1074 00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,040 Speaker 8: that every week, right, we try to pare it down 1075 00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:52,040 Speaker 8: obviously by the opponent. 1076 00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,680 Speaker 3: By the opponent, and because you're understanding why offenses will 1077 00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,759 Speaker 3: try to attack certain parts of the field and try 1078 00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:02,040 Speaker 3: to manipulate space. But you're teach players why they're doing 1079 00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:05,319 Speaker 3: the things that they're doing and why you're uploading this 1080 00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,360 Speaker 3: concept before you start to build pieces around. Do you 1081 00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,759 Speaker 3: find players to be empowered by that? I think a 1082 00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,120 Speaker 3: lot of players want to know why in this age 1083 00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:14,560 Speaker 3: of belief. 1084 00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:19,319 Speaker 8: Yeah, that's that's the old you know, the build Belichickianism. Right, 1085 00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,719 Speaker 8: you can you can teach a player how, but but 1086 00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,400 Speaker 8: it truly becomes powerful and they know the why behind it. 1087 00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:28,399 Speaker 6: And we're we're always trying to preach that because. 1088 00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,640 Speaker 8: Obviously, like as coaches, you can see things one way, 1089 00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,720 Speaker 8: but they're the ones out there who are playing the game. 1090 00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,160 Speaker 8: So I think as long as they understand big pictures 1091 00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:42,719 Speaker 8: schematically what everybody around them is doing, that's going to 1092 00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:46,160 Speaker 8: enable them to decide when they can and can't take chances. 1093 00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,880 Speaker 6: Right, they can take some some educated guesses. 1094 00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,520 Speaker 2: I'm taking notes here, bold, brilliant, and brief, Like that's 1095 00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:57,239 Speaker 2: gonna go up better. I was like, we're trying for 1096 00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,160 Speaker 2: the bold and the brilliant brief. I think both. 1097 00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:01,400 Speaker 3: I I struggle with the brief. 1098 00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,640 Speaker 2: We could both work on a little bit. 1099 00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:04,759 Speaker 6: You. 1100 00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,960 Speaker 2: I always been fascinated by, you know, players that made 1101 00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,399 Speaker 2: it to the NFL that want to be coaches because 1102 00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,759 Speaker 2: you know how a coaching lifestyle is in the in 1103 00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,919 Speaker 2: the NFL, And I guess maybe it's your background moving 1104 00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,759 Speaker 2: around it as as a kid too, like that gets 1105 00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:24,839 Speaker 2: you somewhat prepared, but knowing what coaches put into it, 1106 00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,360 Speaker 2: it feels like that's a special level of football sicco 1107 00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,319 Speaker 2: that wants to go from a good playing career to 1108 00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:32,719 Speaker 2: a coaching cared Did you know you wanted to do 1109 00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:33,920 Speaker 2: that while you were playing? 1110 00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:40,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, I gotta be honest, I absolutely did not right. 1111 00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,680 Speaker 8: Right again, I grew up with with Rex Ryan, with 1112 00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:44,600 Speaker 8: my position coach when I first got in the league, 1113 00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,400 Speaker 8: and I would just hear nightmare stories about him sleeping 1114 00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:49,080 Speaker 8: in office Monday and Tuesday. 1115 00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:50,000 Speaker 6: I'm like, oh my god. 1116 00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,000 Speaker 8: I'm like Rex, like, it's just a I'm going to 1117 00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:53,759 Speaker 8: get a reach block and down block a double team, 1118 00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:55,239 Speaker 8: Like you were in the office that long for that. 1119 00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:58,320 Speaker 6: What are you doing? 1120 00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:04,640 Speaker 8: But along the way, as I started age, I was 1121 00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,440 Speaker 8: in Houston and I was with some young players, right 1122 00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,640 Speaker 8: young Mario Williams, Amobia Koy who was a heck of 1123 00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:12,919 Speaker 8: a player, but it was like fifty came out playing 1124 00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,360 Speaker 8: in the league. So I kind of found myself in 1125 00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:18,720 Speaker 8: that coaching mentor role towards the end of my career, 1126 00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,160 Speaker 8: and I think that's when the light started to come 1127 00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:22,560 Speaker 8: on a little bit where he's like, you know what, 1128 00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:26,000 Speaker 8: maybe maybe I can do this and just has some 1129 00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,560 Speaker 8: coaches along the way who I mean going back to 1130 00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,080 Speaker 8: my high school coach with Blazerana, who were just tremendous 1131 00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:35,440 Speaker 8: influences and thought I could serve and help players in 1132 00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,440 Speaker 8: that manner to a game that's been incredibly. 1133 00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:37,360 Speaker 6: Good to me. 1134 00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:39,279 Speaker 3: It seems like. I mean, we could see it on 1135 00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:41,719 Speaker 3: your face as you talked to us. How important that 1136 00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:46,000 Speaker 3: last part in particular is knowing what worked not just 1137 00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,279 Speaker 3: for you, but all the guys you know you're going 1138 00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,920 Speaker 3: to battle with every week, and knowing what was important 1139 00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:54,080 Speaker 3: to them, what mattered to them, some of those principles. 1140 00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,800 Speaker 3: You must self talk a lot, reminding yourself those types 1141 00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,560 Speaker 3: of things what worked for you as a player, and 1142 00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,880 Speaker 3: carrying them forward into how you run your ecosystem today. 1143 00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:05,160 Speaker 6: Yeah, I was. 1144 00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,520 Speaker 8: I was cairly fortunate where I was around a bunch 1145 00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:09,920 Speaker 8: of coaches who I felt were in it for the 1146 00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:11,480 Speaker 8: right reasons right there. 1147 00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:13,960 Speaker 6: There was no selfish intent. 1148 00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:16,880 Speaker 8: They all worked in service and they were just ultimately 1149 00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:18,600 Speaker 8: trying trying to get us better so that we can 1150 00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,719 Speaker 8: maximize our God given ability in it. And I try 1151 00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,879 Speaker 8: very much to do the same thing right selfishly, I'd 1152 00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,799 Speaker 8: love to win a Super Bowl, but everything else, man, 1153 00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,400 Speaker 8: I'm just trying to pour into these guys so that 1154 00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:32,840 Speaker 8: they can realize every one of their dreams. 1155 00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:34,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. One of the players that was in the league 1156 00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,040 Speaker 2: for a long was in the league when you were 1157 00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:38,080 Speaker 2: in it. Is that possible? 1158 00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:38,200 Speaker 3: Oh? 1159 00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:40,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. It was Kalais Campbell, who you're now coaching, 1160 00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:44,080 Speaker 2: who's actually not that much younger than you. What, I'm 1161 00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,359 Speaker 2: always shocked just from the outside that he sits out 1162 00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,040 Speaker 2: there in free agency every year and then he just 1163 00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,200 Speaker 2: gets a one year contract Inlook, he's compensated very well, 1164 00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,359 Speaker 2: but compared to other players, younger players that are out 1165 00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:57,640 Speaker 2: there every year, he's one of the best. Like bargains 1166 00:53:57,640 --> 00:53:59,880 Speaker 2: out there. He comes into a team and he he 1167 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,400 Speaker 2: he change that team and he's still playing at a 1168 00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:06,360 Speaker 2: ridiculously high level. Seeing him and Zack Seeler out there together, 1169 00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:08,719 Speaker 2: to me, is part of your secret Sauce certainly was 1170 00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:10,839 Speaker 2: a big part of that that rams win that you had. 1171 00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,680 Speaker 2: I just I don't know, tell me something about coaching 1172 00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:15,200 Speaker 2: Kalais Cambellon what that's been like. 1173 00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,400 Speaker 6: Oh man, what an absolute joy? 1174 00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,400 Speaker 8: Right that guy you talk about, the guy who's the 1175 00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:25,160 Speaker 8: same guy every day, a consummate professional, just just your 1176 00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:29,200 Speaker 8: He's a force multiplier. There isn't a person he interacts 1177 00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:32,239 Speaker 8: with who isn't better as a result of that interaction. 1178 00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,160 Speaker 8: So one of those things when when I got the job, 1179 00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:37,880 Speaker 8: you know, you try, you try to talk about the 1180 00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,239 Speaker 8: type of player you want by position and we're talking 1181 00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,279 Speaker 8: about the big end spot and I'm like, I'm telling 1182 00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:46,640 Speaker 8: Chris and Mike and I'm like, listen, Las Campbell's out there, 1183 00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:49,040 Speaker 8: and like, oh, they're like, coach, He's he's. 1184 00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:52,240 Speaker 6: Thirty eight years old. Thirty eight years. 1185 00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:55,880 Speaker 8: Old, he's you know, I'm like, I get it, I 1186 00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,120 Speaker 8: understand that, but just just watch the tape. 1187 00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,799 Speaker 6: He's certainly bill play at a high level. 1188 00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:05,120 Speaker 8: And what you can't get people to understand that haven't 1189 00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:09,000 Speaker 8: been around him is just how he makes everyone in 1190 00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:09,960 Speaker 8: the building. 1191 00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:13,520 Speaker 6: Better, not just on defense but on offense with the. 1192 00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:18,560 Speaker 8: Coaching staff, Like he is just positively reinforcing everything you're 1193 00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:20,640 Speaker 8: trying to get done as a coach because he has 1194 00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:22,640 Speaker 8: exact he has the same goals at this point of career, 1195 00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:24,840 Speaker 8: Like there's nothing he has in accomplished. He's Man of 1196 00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:29,120 Speaker 8: the Year, Pro Bowls, right, all Pros, all of those things, 1197 00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:32,200 Speaker 8: and he's chasing one thing and that's winning in Super Bowl. 1198 00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,799 Speaker 8: So he's doing everything within his power to try to 1199 00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:39,080 Speaker 8: make that happen. And obviously he makes life incredibly easy 1200 00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:40,359 Speaker 8: for me as a ball coach too. 1201 00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:42,480 Speaker 3: I love that My first job I was running, I 1202 00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:45,680 Speaker 3: was interning for the Arizona Cardinals running quotes, and he 1203 00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:47,919 Speaker 3: always took me aside in the locker room. We would 1204 00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,160 Speaker 3: never remember this now and say do you need anything? 1205 00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,920 Speaker 3: Are you okay? And now to see him, he's just 1206 00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:54,920 Speaker 3: the exact same with and that was. You know, I 1207 00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:56,799 Speaker 3: don't want to age myself with the I'm definitely younger 1208 00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,799 Speaker 3: than both of you and kalays just to throw that 1209 00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:03,160 Speaker 3: out there. One thing. I know we're being so you know, 1210 00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:04,920 Speaker 3: greedy with your time. I know we got to go, 1211 00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:06,920 Speaker 3: but I did want to ask you because you know, 1212 00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,680 Speaker 3: this league is so driven by quarterbacks, and as a 1213 00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:13,400 Speaker 3: defensive coordinator, you have to have this innate understanding of 1214 00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:16,440 Speaker 3: quarterbacks and how to attack them on your side, especially 1215 00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:19,920 Speaker 3: as that position evolves and changes and you see a 1216 00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,040 Speaker 3: new wave of really young guys and then you see 1217 00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:23,719 Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford and you have to figure out how to 1218 00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:25,040 Speaker 3: confuse the heck out of him with some of the 1219 00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:27,680 Speaker 3: coverage and sims that you were running in that game. 1220 00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:31,680 Speaker 3: How do you walk that line between you know, strategizing 1221 00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:35,280 Speaker 3: toward the next wave and then that all out preparation 1222 00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,239 Speaker 3: of a game plan against a guy who's seen it all. 1223 00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,000 Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, you love it, right, you love it, You 1224 00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:42,239 Speaker 8: love the challenges week to week, just just based on 1225 00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:43,920 Speaker 8: who that guy is. I mean a guy like Matthew 1226 00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,080 Speaker 8: Stafford will face Aaron Rodgers here in a few weeks. 1227 00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:50,080 Speaker 8: There isn't there isn't a pressure disguise that they haven't seen. 1228 00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,680 Speaker 8: So you're constantly just trying to put some in decision 1229 00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:56,040 Speaker 8: in their heads, and a majority of the time that's 1230 00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:58,719 Speaker 8: going to be with your rush right and trying to 1231 00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:00,879 Speaker 8: get people at their feet because they are a little 1232 00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:05,799 Speaker 8: bit up there in age, these young younger guys, I 1233 00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:07,080 Speaker 8: tell you what they run around. 1234 00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:09,040 Speaker 6: It's the play after the play. 1235 00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:11,000 Speaker 8: Most of the time when somebody these younger guys, you 1236 00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:12,919 Speaker 8: try to do everything you can take away their first, 1237 00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,680 Speaker 8: hopefully their second read. But when that breaks down, you 1238 00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:17,160 Speaker 8: don't know what's going to happen after that, and then 1239 00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:19,520 Speaker 8: you just hold your breath and hope somebody on defense 1240 00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:20,480 Speaker 8: makes a phenomenal. 1241 00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, you got an interest you one this week. Drake 1242 00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:25,080 Speaker 2: may like, what are you seeing? What are you seeing 1243 00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:25,960 Speaker 2: there on tape? 1244 00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:28,720 Speaker 8: I think you see just that you see a young 1245 00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:34,040 Speaker 8: player who's certainly developing confidence in his ability. He's certainly 1246 00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:38,840 Speaker 8: still trying to figure out the coverage just variation of 1247 00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,600 Speaker 8: the league. But he has all the talent in the world, 1248 00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,440 Speaker 8: and at any point in time, he can pull the 1249 00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:46,720 Speaker 8: ball down and chew you up for rushing yards for 1250 00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:48,040 Speaker 8: about twenty five thirty yards. 1251 00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:49,840 Speaker 6: So we always got to be cognist of that too. 1252 00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to own my biases. I grew up 1253 00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,160 Speaker 2: in Massachusetts, and so you know. 1254 00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:56,600 Speaker 3: He tells me before the show, he was like, I 1255 00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:58,480 Speaker 3: have to ask him to. 1256 00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:01,000 Speaker 2: See it could be an It's always been a fun 1257 00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:04,840 Speaker 2: rivalry Dolphins Patriots. You're you're now part of it, at 1258 00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:07,880 Speaker 2: least for a couple of games this year. I know 1259 00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,240 Speaker 2: you had had coaching interview last year, so who knows 1260 00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:12,440 Speaker 2: how long you'll be in Miami, but obviously doing a 1261 00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:16,000 Speaker 2: great job with the Dolphins. And we appreciate your time, Anthony. 1262 00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:16,560 Speaker 2: Thanks for it. 1263 00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:19,080 Speaker 6: Thanks guys, I appreciate you having me all all right. 1264 00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:21,480 Speaker 2: That was Anthony Weaver. That was awesome, Jordan. 1265 00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,080 Speaker 3: I love talking to him. He's great, what a what 1266 00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,320 Speaker 3: a great personality, great football mind. You had to get 1267 00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:28,840 Speaker 3: your Drake made question, which I loved. 1268 00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:30,640 Speaker 2: I know I wanted it almost to be a little 1269 00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:33,920 Speaker 2: more pointed, like heh what you worried it's kind of 1270 00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,360 Speaker 2: like an older secondary you got there, No. 1271 00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:36,720 Speaker 5: I don't know. 1272 00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:38,720 Speaker 2: We you need to put his slogan up back clean 1273 00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,160 Speaker 2: this young buck in the open field, you think so, 1274 00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:43,400 Speaker 2: Jalen Ramsey would be very much up up for that. 1275 00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,200 Speaker 3: I feel like he's probably just got a picture of 1276 00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:48,040 Speaker 3: him in his locker upcoming for that game. 1277 00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,320 Speaker 2: Just you know that would be outstanding. Yes, and if yeah, 1278 00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:54,720 Speaker 2: if you get a chance to see it on YouTube, 1279 00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:56,800 Speaker 2: just the smile, like the vibe, you can't you can 1280 00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,000 Speaker 2: get a little bit of a vibe from someone in 1281 00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:01,840 Speaker 2: only fifteen minutes. Why they do those combined interviews with 1282 00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,120 Speaker 2: all the draft prospects so you can see him as 1283 00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:06,600 Speaker 2: the type of person. And he's already now had head 1284 00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,200 Speaker 2: coaching interviews. He had one with the Falcons last year 1285 00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:12,360 Speaker 2: in DC interviews that I'll be just kind of watching 1286 00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:15,760 Speaker 2: where it goes. You could see him impressing an owner 1287 00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,640 Speaker 2: in that setting. And we're seeing kind of a trend. 1288 00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:22,200 Speaker 2: Not to get too off topic here, but if you 1289 00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:25,560 Speaker 2: look at who's leading the divisions right now, the coaches, 1290 00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:29,240 Speaker 2: it's a lot of not an offense guy. It's a 1291 00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:33,880 Speaker 2: lot of running the culture sort of guy, or a 1292 00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:37,760 Speaker 2: defensive guy, you know, making the culture versus just like 1293 00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,200 Speaker 2: offensive play callers. So yeah, a lot of different ways 1294 00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:40,640 Speaker 2: to get it. 1295 00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:42,920 Speaker 3: Guys who played, Guys who can kind of get it 1296 00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:46,640 Speaker 3: inside the head of the player and sort of maximize potential. 1297 00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:50,880 Speaker 3: Certainly a shift from what was the sort of the 1298 00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:54,000 Speaker 3: dynamic there last year. Although it's working out in Philly 1299 00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:57,800 Speaker 3: for everyone, so it's kind of a win win win. 1300 00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:00,040 Speaker 2: People are going to look at the lines and like, oh, so, 1301 01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:01,720 Speaker 2: how did they do it? And that that was a coach. 1302 01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:04,280 Speaker 2: I think it was more about building the culture and 1303 01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:06,360 Speaker 2: studying the tone, be able to reach play. Yeah, not 1304 01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:09,600 Speaker 2: just like calling plays. That was and they weaver that 1305 01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:13,280 Speaker 2: was a great week. You've obviously time traveled from Tuesday 1306 01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:19,280 Speaker 2: into this show. Appreciate everyone listening. We will be back 1307 01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:24,080 Speaker 2: on Friday with our PIC show. Cynthia Freelan, I don't 1308 01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:26,480 Speaker 2: know if you've heard people talking about this, Jordan, The 1309 01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:28,760 Speaker 2: PIC show is hot right now. I like, so, I 1310 01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:31,960 Speaker 2: hear the picks are hot, the analysis are hot. Both 1311 01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:35,840 Speaker 2: Cynthia and I are on fire for right now. And yes, 1312 01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:39,760 Speaker 2: when we're talking to a member of the two thousand 1313 01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:42,560 Speaker 2: and six Kubiak Texans, you know football is back.