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Speaker 1: M Hi, everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.

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Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford and he is Wes Hodkowitz. We're

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Speaker 1: coming to you here from our studios at lambeau Field

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Speaker 1: and West were one day closer to the two thousand

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Speaker 1: seventeen season finale for both the Green Bay Packers and

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Speaker 1: the Detroit Lions. It will be Sunday, a noon central

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Speaker 1: kickoff at Ford Field in Detroit, and um kind of

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Speaker 1: the story of the season, you might say, for the

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Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers in the sense that they are going

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Speaker 1: into this game with an awfully lengthy injury list. Mike

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Speaker 1: McCarthy even wondering as of Wednesday before excuse me, before

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Speaker 1: the first practice of the week, whether he'd even have

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Speaker 1: couple of things he mentioned Davante Adams not cleared from

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Speaker 1: the concussion protocol, Jordy Nelson probably not going to be

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Speaker 1: able to play with that shoulder injury, and also Aaron Jones,

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Speaker 1: the rookie running back dealing with another knee injury, also

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Speaker 1: very unlikely to make it this week. So on the

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Speaker 1: offensive side of the ball, um Brett Hunley's got uh.

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Speaker 1: You know he's gonna be working with a lot of

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Speaker 1: one too. And it really the one I think is

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Speaker 1: the canary in the coal mine for the Packers is

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Speaker 1: Richard Rodgers, also with the shoulder injury right practicing on Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: Michael Spofford, you can go back over the last four years,

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Speaker 1: remind me of another time where Richard Rogers didn't practice

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Speaker 1: at all. Um, he's basically been out there, let alone

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Speaker 1: missing a game, which he hasn't done. He's barely, if

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Speaker 1: and Mr Available in his time with the Packers. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So I think that kind of shows the attrition of

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Speaker 1: getting back to your original point, whether it's Michael Clark,

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Speaker 1: Jeronimo Allison was with not practice due to an illness,

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Speaker 1: but you would imagine he potentially would be back in

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Speaker 1: many different guys that could get some opportunities in this

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Speaker 1: of it. Aaron Jones being out with likely being out

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Speaker 1: Davonte May's. Hey, what better way Mike to get your

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Speaker 1: that bad taste out of your mouth about how the

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Speaker 1: fumbles went, how the game time went earlier this year.

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Speaker 1: If he's able to get on the field and produced, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you talk about a guy who's got to be chopping

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Speaker 1: He's been waiting. He hasn't said anything. He's a quiet guy.

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Speaker 1: He knows, uh that other opportunity with a couple of

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Speaker 1: but Davante May's will be right behind. I would like

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Speaker 1: for his sake, for his rookie season to to end

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Speaker 1: if he doesn't get another chance, because um this, I

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Speaker 1: with all due respect to Maze and where he came

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Speaker 1: from um and obviously you documented it earlier this summer

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Speaker 1: He will call specific plays to give opportunities to specific players,

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Speaker 1: He's not going to call plays so that Geronimo Allison

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Speaker 1: It could mean that a guy like Trevor Davis gets opportunities,

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Speaker 1: So then you have Reggie Gilbert. You know, when they

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Speaker 1: overextend himself because again, you have a significant, you know,

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Speaker 1: for him at that perspective. All right, what's that We'll

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Speaker 1: right after this, h welcome back to Packers Unscripted. Mike

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Speaker 1: Spofford right here, West Hodkuitz over there, And what's one

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Speaker 1: He plays basketball at universe at St. Francis University in

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Speaker 1: doesn't even sign an agent. Packers signed him in early May,

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Speaker 1: They drafted two receivers in Malachai Dupre and D'Angelo Yancey.

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Speaker 1: an incredible journey he's been on. I remember talking him

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Speaker 1: for Packers dot Com. He doesn't consider himself a basketball

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Speaker 1: What a year it's been for him going from where

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Speaker 1: the playbook last year, it almost slowed him down because

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Speaker 1: is he is able to handle it all. But then

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Speaker 1: when he got out on the field, mentally he was

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Speaker 1: understanding everything. Now he's just that half a step quicker

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Speaker 1: because now it's more reaction rather than processing on the fly,

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Speaker 1: and we're seeing the results, and that's why I think

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Speaker 1: that middle of that defense, Kenny Clark, Blake Martinez the future.

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Speaker 1: They're really solid for the Packers now at this point, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would agree, But with that we will call it

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Speaker 1: a wrap on this edition of Packers Unscripted. Be sure

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Speaker 1: at Mike Spofford at Packers for the team account. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for tuning in, everybody. We'll see you next time. H

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