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Speaker 1: The Michael Berry Show.

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Speaker 2: We love Victor Davis Hanson here on The Michael Berry Show.

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Speaker 2: He's been a guest on our show many times over

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Speaker 2: the years, and he had some interesting things to say

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Speaker 2: about why Trump won the twenty twenty four election, and

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Speaker 2: we've been spending a lot of time ourselves explaining it.

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Speaker 2: I read the article by g Guria. I never heard

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Speaker 2: of him before that appeared in the Free Press. I

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Speaker 2: think it's important to understand why we won this election. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: this is the entirety of that of that piece by

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Speaker 2: Victor Davis Hanson that we used earlier in the week

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Speaker 2: in the in the six o'clock or the second hour

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Speaker 2: of our show.

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Speaker 1: But even if you heard that, you haven't heard this

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Speaker 1: entirety of it. So give it a listen.

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Speaker 3: Victor, thank you Simus for giving us your time.

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Speaker 4: I thank you.

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Speaker 3: Very important moment in him and history. One of Australia's

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Speaker 3: top journalists, Paul Kelly, has just said this about the

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Speaker 3: American election. The wide swathes of Middle America. New Trump

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Speaker 3: wasn't any saint, but they turned the electoral matte red

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Speaker 3: because they endorsed his bedrock positions that living standards were

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Speaker 3: in retreat, inflation was too high, borders were not secure,

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Speaker 3: and elites were too arrogant. Is that a fair assessment.

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Speaker 4: I think it's a very fair it's a very accurate assessment.

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Speaker 4: I think they also saw that the occasional crudity of

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump was almost a mechanism and their desperation that

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Speaker 4: was necessary to get the attention of the elites. In

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Speaker 4: other words, they wanted somebody who wouldn't equivocate and didn't

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Speaker 4: come from that milieu. And so they were really saying,

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Speaker 4: your agenda has no support, and yet you're ramming it

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Speaker 4: down our throats, and you won't listen to us, and

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Speaker 4: you make fun of us, You call us garbage, deplorables.

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Speaker 4: They were deemables, clingers, chumps, drags. These are all pejoratives

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Speaker 4: that Biden and Obama and the Clintons of yous and

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Speaker 4: you forced us to do this. But we have now

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Speaker 4: a champion, and he's going to cut through all of

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Speaker 4: this and remind you that we run the country in

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Speaker 4: not Hollywood or the institutions, or's academia Silicon Valley. And

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Speaker 4: so they were in a complete bubble about what this

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Speaker 4: earthquake was about to hit them or this storm. Everybody

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Speaker 4: could see it. I think some of them saw it.

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Speaker 4: But the media felt in the last seventy two hours

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Speaker 4: maybe or four days, if they rigged a poll in Iowa,

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Speaker 4: or they said that it was dead even or that

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Speaker 4: the Senate was going to be held by the Democrats,

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Speaker 4: that would either get people to the polls or it

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Speaker 4: would raise money or create momentum. But John, there were

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Speaker 4: so many indicators that would prove what mister Kelly said

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Speaker 4: that the registrations were an all time high for Republicans.

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Speaker 4: They had gained six hundred thousand registrations since the last

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Speaker 4: time they contested Pennsylvania in twenty twenty. They had been

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Speaker 4: completely dumbfounded in twenty twenty on non election day balloting,

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Speaker 4: and yet they had more people non election day ballot

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Speaker 4: They mastered the art of early and male in ballet

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Speaker 4: than the Democrats did. They got almost twenty five percent

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Speaker 4: of black males. That really and then that wasn't really

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Speaker 4: the key statistic. Black males who did not vote for

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump stayed home, and so these big sinners that

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Speaker 4: they count on to swarm rural areas in Detroit, Pittsburgh,

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Speaker 4: Philadelphia were not there in sufficient numbers. They said there

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Speaker 4: was a female gap and that Donald Trump was a

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Speaker 4: sexist and he had alienated women. He got in many

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Speaker 4: states he got more suburban white women than he did

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Speaker 4: than did he the Hispanic vote, and we'd talked about that.

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Speaker 4: I had never seen a and I live in a

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Speaker 4: that had not been true. In twenty sixteen. They even

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Speaker 4: had the Omish going out, They worked the Arab American

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Speaker 4: seventy thirty. All of that was known to the posters

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Speaker 4: and to the media, and yet they kept telling us

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Speaker 4: that Donald Trump was dumbfounded by Saturday Night Live, that

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump had threatened to kill Liz Cheney, that Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump wanted to kill the media, and they didn't. Everybody

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Speaker 4: got sick of them. They didn't like to be lectured too,

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Speaker 3: The pict to The reality is is it looks to

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Speaker 3: be the case from here. All the money, all the celebrities,

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Speaker 3: all the so called influences, most of the media were

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Speaker 3: absolutely one sided and painting Trump as a threat to democracy.

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Speaker 3: This is surely actually in the end a win for

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Speaker 3: democracy because people saw through it all. They're not the

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Speaker 4: No, they, as you say, they had academia, Hollywood entertainment,

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Speaker 4: the celebrities, the money, Wall Street, the foundations. All they

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Speaker 4: lacked was the people because their agenda they had lied

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Speaker 4: to the American people. They had said Donald Trump was

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Speaker 4: a disruptor, a disuniter, and we under old Joe Biden

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Speaker 4: from Scranton in twenty twenty will unite the country under moderation,

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Speaker 4: and that was a complete live. They used him as

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Speaker 4: of open borders with no health or background checks, twelve

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Speaker 4: were overridden with crime, an attack on fossil fuels, nuclear power,

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Speaker 4: a disastrous foreign policy that you could define it by

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Speaker 4: the Afghanistan debacle or the two wars in Ukraine and

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Speaker 4: to Taiwan. In addition to that, at a time when

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Speaker 4: at astronomical levels. After the COVID lockdown, they printed money

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Speaker 4: staples and food insurance rent. So they didn't care about

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Speaker 4: the middle class, and they kept telling them, you're mistaken.

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Speaker 4: The border is secure, Mister mill York has said, inflation

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Speaker 4: is moderate. Kamala Harris said, Biden amis is working. People

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Speaker 4: abroad have never been more impressed with you. It was

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Speaker 4: all a lie. And the people finally just waited and

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Speaker 4: did their time, and they said, we can't take this anymore,

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Speaker 4: and we're going to send a message no matter what

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Speaker 4: you've said. But I don't think over there you wouldn't

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Speaker 4: New York Times Ciena Pole or Nate Silver said that

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Speaker 4: the Washington Post pole had been rehabilitated, or the Quinnipac pole.

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Speaker 4: They showed it was Debonie even, or Harris was ahead

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Speaker 4: was three points and it was all completely bogus. There

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Speaker 4: was no factual basis, no data for any of it.

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Speaker 4: It was just a mechanism of massaging the outcome.

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Speaker 3: Did you see yourself or imagine such a decisive victory?

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Speaker 4: Did I imagine the victory such a deacon victory? Is? Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I thought he had a good chance of winning the

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Speaker 4: Obama ran in twenty twelve against Romney for reelection, he

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Speaker 4: won one precinct in Philadelphia, very dubiously, so thirty thousand

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Speaker 4: you hear that Donald Trump was going to get half

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Speaker 4: going to get union people or the United Auto Workers

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Speaker 4: And then when you saw that suburban white women were

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Speaker 4: see that he had made inroads. And you had to

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Speaker 4: superimpose that fact on the reality that unlike a Bob

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Speaker 4: mean fanatical is defined by they would do anything to

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Speaker 4: vote for him. If there's a hurricane in rural North Carolina,

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Speaker 4: they didn't matter. They were going to get out and

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Speaker 4: win him that state. Nobody had ever seen such loyalty

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Speaker 4: by these irredeemables. These were the people of East Palestine

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Speaker 4: And so I think it's a very good lesson because

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Speaker 4: know what another irony we were told John that with

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Speaker 4: the National Voters Compact that the Blue States had were

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Speaker 4: Electoral College, which has a lot of constitutional protections in

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Speaker 4: it and has a long history of utility for both sides.

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Speaker 4: And these state legislatures had voted to go around the

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Speaker 4: And guess what. Donald Trump was the first person in

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Speaker 4: He will probably be the first Republicans as ninety eighty

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Speaker 3: He moved. Trump moved quite quickly in his acceptance speech,

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Speaker 3: victory speech, whatever you might choose to call it, to

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Speaker 3: say that he would seek to heal America given that

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Speaker 3: he may in fact have secured that first majority vote

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Speaker 3: I have to say he is. People apparently don't know

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Speaker 4: I must remember that after twenty sixteen, after they were

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Speaker 4: and he was calling her quoke and Hillary. Everybody thought that,

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Speaker 4: given she had destroyed thirty thousand emails and the devices

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Speaker 4: have the dl JAGO after and what he's say. The

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Speaker 4: first thing he said, she's suffered enough. People went to

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Speaker 4: him and said, you've got to fire James Comy, the

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Speaker 4: going to do that. He never did any of that.

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Speaker 4: But how can he heal the country? When Latita James,

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Speaker 4: and said that she's going to press down. How can

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Speaker 4: you do when Alvin Bragg at the end of the month,

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Speaker 4: Jack Smith has re indicted him a federal prosecutor for

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Speaker 4: all of these were minor matters that no other prosecutor

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Speaker 4: would have picked up. They've never done it against the

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Speaker 4: but maybe Fanny Willis or Latita James or Alvin Bragg

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Speaker 4: Australia and Britain especially would appreciate that. I mean, he's

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Speaker 4: very anachronistic, and he's been made fun of that had

436
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Speaker 4: he still talks of Reagan and Thatcher and Roosevelt in

437
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Speaker 4: Churchill and thinks that you know that the British version

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Speaker 4: of the European Western experience is the one closer to

439
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Speaker 4: the American spirit. And we'll see. But I think if

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Speaker 4: I was if I was a member of the former

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Speaker 4: British Commonwealth or the present British Commonwealth, I would feel

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Speaker 4: that this was an opportunity to have an American president

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Speaker 4: that would take political heat to be a very strong

444
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Speaker 4: ally in a way that we haven't seen before. And

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Speaker 4: I think you're going to see that very quickly. I

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Speaker 4: think he's going to increase the defense budget. He's already

447
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Speaker 4: talked about that, about breaking up the swamp, stopping the

448
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Speaker 4: res so we don't end up building one hundred and

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Speaker 4: seventy seven million dollar F twenty two's or fourteen billion

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Speaker 4: dollar aircraft carriers alone. We start to produce, as we

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Speaker 4: did in World Ward two thousands of cheap drones, thousands

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Speaker 4: of Patriot missiles at a cheaper cost, a whole new

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Speaker 4: way of trying to defend the West.

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Speaker 3: The thoughtful media in Australia, we do have some appointed

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Speaker 3: to the fact that this has to be raised. Both

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Speaker 3: our Prime minister and our former Prime minister, our ambassador

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Speaker 3: to America have been personally, quite unwisely in my view,

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Speaker 3: critical of President Trump in the past, and there's real

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Speaker 3: speculation as to what that will mean for the relationship.

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Speaker 3: It raises the question of people claiming that he can

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Speaker 3: be vindictive. I'd be interested in your perspectives. I think

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Speaker 3: our Prime minister and our ambassador they'll be scrammed nowcles

463
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Speaker 3: to try and fix the relationship. But they have handed

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Speaker 3: him something of a club.

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Speaker 4: I would have thought, yeah, well, that's what the left says,

466
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Speaker 4: But most of those charges are projectionists. So he was

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Speaker 4: in a position to fire all of the DOJ lawyers,

468
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Speaker 4: three hundred of them that had hounded him out. He

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Speaker 4: did not do that. Obama did that. Biden did that.

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Speaker 4: He did not do that. Obama weaponized the IRS against

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Speaker 4: his Trump did not do that. Trump did not indict.

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Speaker 4: He's not going to have local or state prosecutors work

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Speaker 4: as surrogates to go after the Biden family. In fact,

474
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Speaker 4: I would imagine he might even pardon Hunter Biden. And

475
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Speaker 4: he's a transactional kind of art of the deal. So

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Speaker 4: with the Europeans, and he talks a tough game and

477
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Speaker 4: then he he gets them to reluctantly spend one hundred

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Speaker 4: billion dollars on arms, and then all of a sudden,

479
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Speaker 4: the Ukraine War during the Biden administration breaks out, and

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Speaker 4: they're much better because of Trump. They're in a much

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Speaker 4: better position to defend themselves. Of course, they don't give

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Speaker 4: him any credit. So he talks certain ways, but he's

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Speaker 4: been actually criticized on the right for not being more

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Speaker 4: vindictive and for not playing tit for tat. I've had

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Speaker 4: so many prominent Republican people, are conservatives talk to me

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Speaker 4: and say, you know, somebody's got to talk to him

487
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Speaker 4: because he doesn't understand the terms. These people attack him

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Speaker 4: and attack him, and he mouse often, he replies, but

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Speaker 4: they're not going to get the message until we start

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Speaker 4: indicting those people. Or if they want to have sanctuary cities,

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Speaker 4: then we have to have sanctuary gun cities, or maybe

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Speaker 4: we our sanctuary this right wing city is. But he

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Speaker 4: hasn't done that at all, and.

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Speaker 3: He will return to Washington, presumably vastly more experienced. He

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Speaker 3: now knows, I think how the place works, and he

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Speaker 3: will know. I would imagine who are real change agents

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Speaker 3: and who to put, who to build around him if

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Speaker 3: you like a good team around himself, that presumably with

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Speaker 3: a sympathetic House and Congress, as it appears he will have.

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Speaker 3: The Cynics might say that will give him unfettered power.

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Speaker 3: Others might say it will help him govern in a

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Speaker 3: very clean way. To respond, let's face it to Americans

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Speaker 3: vital concerns. The economy is not doing well for them,

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Speaker 3: immigration is a problem, and the elites and their wokism

505
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Speaker 3: are mad. People know now much more effectively how to

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Speaker 3: start to change these things. Would that be a fair assessment.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it is he doesn't see that as radical.

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Speaker 4: He sees it as he's called it common sense. He's

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Speaker 4: taken the example of Mexico. Mexico sent by deliberation twelve

510
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Speaker 4: million illegals. Here, we have three hundred and fifty thousand

511
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Speaker 4: people with criminal records that were knowingly let in from

512
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Speaker 4: Latin America and Mexico. They've committed horrendous crimes. We have

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Speaker 4: the cartels that have killed indirectly but by design in

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Speaker 4: a way, by masking fentanyl with prescription drugs and candy,

515
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Speaker 4: even one hundred thousand Americans. And Biden was so afraid

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Speaker 4: to say anything to Mexico. The first thing Trump said,

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Speaker 4: and he even said it before the election, I'm going

518
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Speaker 4: to call the president of Mexico up and I'm going

519
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Speaker 4: to say no more fentanyl and no more illegalation immigration.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to slap a twenty five percent tariff on you,

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Speaker 4: and I'm going to probably tax your remittance as you

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Speaker 4: get sixty billion. We'll see how you like it. And

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Speaker 4: he's serious about that. He's not trying to bully people,

524
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Speaker 4: but he does things like that. So if you have

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Speaker 4: a international incident where Australia isn't a very vulnerable to

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Speaker 4: take your country and they feel that they need the

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Speaker 4: support and encouragement of the United States. He's not going

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Speaker 4: if he believes that. If he were to agree with you,

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Speaker 4: he's not going to call up and say, well, on

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Speaker 4: the one hand, on the other hand, he would say,

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Speaker 4: what do you need, when do you need it, and

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Speaker 4: I'll do it. And that's the type of ally he is.

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Speaker 4: He's not wishy washy, and that's what bothers the left.

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00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 4: They think in nuances or ingredations and incrementalism. He's not that.

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Speaker 4: For better or worse. He's very decisive. He's not reckless,

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Speaker 4: but he's very decisive, and he moves very decisively with China,

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Speaker 4: with Russia, with the radical Islamic world. And if you

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Speaker 4: think what he said he was going to do in

539
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Speaker 4: two thousand and fifteen, he said he was going to

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Speaker 4: get rid of Isis and in fact they use the bulgarity,

541
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Speaker 4: I'm going to bomb the shit out of them. He

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Speaker 4: said he was going to deal with the Iranians who

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Speaker 4: had killed Americans in Iraq. That was Solomani. He said

544
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Speaker 4: that he was going to cut off Iran and bankrupt him.

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Speaker 4: He almost did. He would have if they hadn't uplifted

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Speaker 4: the sanction, all of those things he did. And I

547
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Speaker 4: was talking to, you know, to some Israelis diplomats, and

548
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Speaker 4: they said, we've had so many sophisticated people who knew

549
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Speaker 4: the Middle East, and we've asked them for support, and

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Speaker 4: they always give us a thousand reasons why they couldn't

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Speaker 4: do it. And they were asking me, as an American,

552
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Speaker 4: what is it with your president? He came over here

553
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Speaker 4: and our team said to him, we'd like to finally

554
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Speaker 4: get the embassy in Jerusalem. He said it always belonged there.

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Speaker 4: And then they said, they keep talking about the Golden Heights,

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Speaker 4: but it's Israeli. He said, yes, it is. That's done.

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Speaker 4: And then they said, when Iran is the cause of

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Speaker 4: all these problems, is there any chance that we could

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Speaker 4: discuss the Iran deal or the one hundred billion in

560
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Speaker 4: oil revenue. He said, they're done, We're out of the

561
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Speaker 4: Iran deal. We're going to get this. And then they

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Speaker 4: would say things like the Houthis are terrorists, but no

563
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Speaker 4: American would wants to ruffle their Farewell, we'll just call

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Speaker 4: them terrorists. And as this diplomat spoke to me, he

565
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Speaker 4: said he did more for Israel that needed to be done,

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Speaker 4: not just because he liked Israel, but were fair and

567
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Speaker 4: were for the greater good of the Middle East. He

568
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Speaker 4: did more in two months than the last fifty years

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Speaker 4: of American presidencies. And he said the odd thing about

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Speaker 4: it was he probably was not as sophisticated or as

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Speaker 4: well read in the intricacies and the nuances of Middle

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Speaker 4: East history and diplomacy, but he had an innate, I mean,

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Speaker 4: and sense of Moraley what had to be done and

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Speaker 4: why it wasn't done. And so that's why he's kind

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Speaker 4: of you know, you to Israel today and he doesn't

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Speaker 4: mention Israel much, He doesn't really talk about it, but

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Speaker 4: when you go to Israel, he's almost a sainted figure

578
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Speaker 4: because he did more for the autonomy of Israel than

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Speaker 4: any other president has done, and yet he didn't really

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Speaker 4: He may John have got forty percent of the Muslim

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Speaker 4: vote in Michigan, the more the left pan or to Yeah,

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Speaker 4: he did. Part of it was one of.

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Speaker 3: His daughters in the West. We do have a look

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Speaker 3: in the wish that there are many many people in

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Speaker 3: the Middle East who are quality cheering Israel on because

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Speaker 3: they frightened of Iran.

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Speaker 4: Yes, he did, and he was He made the argument

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Speaker 4: that Hamas does not represent or it may have been

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Speaker 4: elected once, but it's not in the interests of the

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Speaker 4: people of Gaza that Iran. If you cut off the

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Speaker 4: head of the snake, then people would be free to

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Speaker 4: deal with Hesbalah and Hamas and the Hutis. A lot

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Speaker 4: of people from the Middle East appreciate that, and so

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Speaker 4: I think it's an exciting time. We'll see if he

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Speaker 4: gets good people around him. One of the problems that

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Speaker 4: when you talk to people surrounding him in twenty sixteen,

597
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 4: no one wanted to work for him, The Maverick, the Outsider.

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Speaker 4: Twenty twenty, it was sort of that he had a team.

599
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Speaker 4: Now they're getting six and seven applications for even minor position.

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Speaker 4: Everybody wants to work for Donald Trump. And I don't

601
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Speaker 4: know if he's going to be able to filter out.

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Speaker 4: But suddenly the thing in Washington is all of these

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Speaker 4: never Trump or anybody wants to be part of this team.

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Speaker 4: They're very excited and they're going to have a terrible

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Speaker 4: time trying to find people who will not do what

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Speaker 4: happened last time with the anonymous the person in Homeland

607
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Speaker 4: Security that was bragging to the New York Times, and

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Speaker 4: he was sort of an insurrectionist in devailing executive orders

609
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Speaker 4: or people in the Defense Department that were overriding Trump's orders.

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Speaker 4: He's got to get a team that loyal, but he's

611
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Speaker 4: got so many people that want to participate.

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Speaker 3: He did say, as I understand it, at one point,

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Speaker 3: that Israeli should go after Iran's nuclear capability. Presumably he's

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Speaker 3: likely to revisit that, and presumably the Iranians are now

615
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 3: deeply concerned because plainly they've been hit much harder already

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Speaker 3: by the Israelis, and they're admitting plainly they now know

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Speaker 3: that Israeli is highly effective with American encouragement. I would

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Speaker 3: have thought the Israelis could do a men's damage to

619
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Speaker 3: Iran and they would be extraordinarily subdued by that. At

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Speaker 3: the moment.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say that because of his Yeah, a

622
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Speaker 4: lot of people RFK Tulsi Gabbard around him, and he

623
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Speaker 4: is campaign streng against optional military wars in the Middle East,

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Speaker 4: especially land engagements. Cost of benefit analysis, these are not

625
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Speaker 4: worth it. But as I understand, his message to net

626
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Speaker 4: Yahoo is it would be better for you if you

627
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Speaker 4: feel that Iran is going to attack you again, either

628
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Speaker 4: to write it out and then take it in retaliation.

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Speaker 4: Given the prompt to take out the nuclear facilities, their

630
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Speaker 4: military bases, they're oil before I'm president, that would be easier.

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Speaker 4: So that is the message that I think he's telling

632
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Speaker 4: the Israelis, And if they don't do it, I think

633
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 4: the message is the United States is not going to

634
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Speaker 4: interfere in your internal affairs. We're not neo conservatives. We're

635
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Speaker 4: not going to go try to bomb Iraq and Iran

636
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Speaker 4: and change the government. But I can tell you this,

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Speaker 4: given the provocations that Iran has leveled at you, we're

638
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 4: going to be very supportive of helping you protect your

639
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 4: homeland and more importantly, the decision of what targets to

640
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 4: hit and when to hit them, and how to hit

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Speaker 4: them as yours as an a grieved sovereign nation, and

642
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 4: we will facilitate your decision. But we're not going to

643
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 4: interfere and tell you you can't do this and you

644
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 4: can't do that. And I think that is one reason

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00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 4: why Iran is very hesitant. They're in a situation now

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Speaker 4: where they've sent five hundred projectiles into Israel, only about

647
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Speaker 4: five or six have hit anything. Israel has retaliated twice

648
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Speaker 4: and just demonstrated that they can take out the entire

649
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 4: air defense system of Iran, and the next time they're provoked,

650
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 4: they have the ability to take out all of its

651
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 4: oil revenue ability and its nuclear sites, even if that

652
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 4: were to take a week with complete impunity, And so

653
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 4: Iran now is in a very difficult position if it

654
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 4: doesn't do anything, loses face among its satellites, the Huthis Hezbollah.

655
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 4: If it does do something and provokes Israel a third time,

656
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 4: they may not have any revenue or nuclear program or

657
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 4: any military basis. So there's nothing that can stop the

658
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 4: Israeli Air Force from doing that. And with a new

659
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 4: administration that would encourage Israel to take care of its

660
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 4: own deterrent needs, I think Iran is going to be

661
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 4: very cautious.

662
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 3: This will have enormous amplifications for Iran's allies, if you like.

663
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 3: I would have thought, particularly the Russians, but also the

664
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Speaker 3: Chinese coming to Russia first. In a town hall meeting

665
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 3: not so long ago, the President Trump said, if I'm president,

666
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 3: I will have that war settled in one day, because

667
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 3: MBE will move to try and force a deal. I've

668
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 3: heard this line that he might say to the Ukrainians,

669
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 3: you'll have to see in territory, will stop helping you.

670
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 3: But he might say to the Russians, unless you agree

671
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:09,280
Speaker 3: to something now, we'll give the Ukrainians everything they need.

672
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 3: That's the sort of it would reflect that transactional skill

673
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 3: that he and ability he has. How do you think

674
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 3: he might tackle this.

675
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 4: Well, I think that's pretty much. He's a deal maker.

676
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 4: So he's not going to go in, as the Left

677
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,240
Speaker 4: alleges and just pull the rug from Ukraine, not because

678
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 4: he would agree or disagree with that, but because it

679
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 4: would be impossible for him to get a settlement. He

680
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 4: actually is a much more interested in humanitarian questions than

681
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 4: the Left is. He's talking always about the one million

682
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:49,959
Speaker 4: plus dead wounded, missing on both sides, and largest war

683
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,879
Speaker 4: in war Europe since World War Two. So I think

684
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 4: we know the outline of what he wants to do.

685
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 4: He wants to tell the Ukrainians, you have our so

686
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 4: port We're going to continue to arm you, but this

687
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 4: is what I want putin to do and you to do.

688
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 4: During the Obama administration, Obama never said he wanted to

689
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 4: use force to get back the Crimean Dombas. Neither did Trump,

690
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 4: neither did Biden. And I think people who look at

691
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:23,280
Speaker 4: the history of those areas, in the long association within

692
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 4: the areas and in their surrounding areas with Russia, understands

693
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 4: that it was militarily impossible for Ukraine to take back

694
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 4: the Crimea and Dombach. And I think that will be

695
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 4: the bone, one of the two bones that Putin gets.

696
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 4: He can tell the Russian people, I had to go

697
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 4: to war to make sure that Crimea remains ours forever,

698
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 4: like it has been since seventeen eighty seven. It was

699
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 4: an independent country for three years after eighty nine. Then

700
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 4: Ukraine took it Fromas. That's will be the propaganda and

701
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 4: the Dombas. This was Stolin, this was Khrushchev's area. He

702
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 4: seated it stupidly to Ukraine. He thought Ukraine would be

703
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 4: part of the Soviet Union forever. Now it's ours. And

704
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 4: then second, Putin will tell the Russian people, we went

705
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 4: to war to make sure that Ukraine is not in NATO,

706
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,240
Speaker 4: and I don't think Trump will put it in NATO.

707
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 4: And then Ukraine will say, well, what do we get

708
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 4: out of it? And He'll probably say you're free to

709
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 4: join the EU. We'll try to get a demilitarized zone.

710
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 4: Russia will go back to where they were on February

711
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 4: twenty fourth of twenty twenty two, and we will arm

712
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 4: you to the teeth. And I think that's the outlines

713
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 4: of a deal, more or less, and that would be

714
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 4: I think nobody's going to be satisfied. But it would

715
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 4: stop the blood killing, it would stop the escalation, it

716
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 4: would stop the talk of the use of nuclear weapons.

717
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 4: This week, people had suggested that some of the Russians

718
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 4: were pretty in explosive devices on cargo and passenger planes

719
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 4: headed to the West. If we don't do that, it's

720
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 4: going to be an escalation. And I think he doesn't

721
00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 4: want that, so he's willing to be a broker to

722
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 4: cut a deal.

723
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 3: We know, of course that he he doesn't like the

724
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 3: leader of North Korea very much, refers to him as

725
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,399
Speaker 3: a little rocketman. The little rocketman appears to be supplying

726
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 3: mercenaries and quite substantial numbers to Russia. I would imagine

727
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 3: Trump will be onto that one very quickly.

728
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 4: I think so he was last time. Even there, though

729
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 4: he confounded the left. The left started out saying that

730
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 4: he was too mean. He was too reckless when he said,

731
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 4: my button's bigger than yours. He came in where North

732
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 4: Korea was just being a very useful bulldog that the

733
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,800
Speaker 4: China Master cut loose and caused havoc, and then China

734
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 4: kind of chuckled about it. And when they started threatening

735
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 4: to send missiles into the West Coast, Trump was alarmed

736
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 4: and said, I have a bigger button than you do,

737
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 4: and we can do the same thing to you, and

738
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 4: ours will work. He said, ours will work. The left

739
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 4: went crazy, and then he did what everybody who read

740
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 4: any of his books or followed his career knew he

741
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 4: would do. He wrote a letter to North Korea and said,

742
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 4: this is not in your interest to be on the

743
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 4: wrong side of my administration. I'm willing to talk. They talked,

744
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 4: and then he did exactly what he wrote about in

745
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 4: his books. He said, I like mister Kim Jong un.

746
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 4: We can cut a deal. I didn't find him to

747
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 4: be a monster. If you read anything he wrote about.

748
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 4: That's what he always said. When you make a deal,

749
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 4: you do not insult your opposition, and then when you

750
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 4: make the deal, you make sure you get an advantage.

751
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 4: And then after the deal is over, you did not

752
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 4: privately ridicule him, that you praise him to the skies,

753
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 4: and that's exactly what he does. So I would imagine

754
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 4: that he would tell Kim Jong un in stage one,

755
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 4: what you're doing is unacceptable. If you keep doing it,

756
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 4: it's going to end badly for you. Then stage two

757
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 4: is I'm willing to make a deal, and then make

758
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 4: some kind of deal and then pray Kim John un.

759
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 4: And that's where the left came in and said, look

760
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 4: at this, he's praising a dictator, even though he had

761
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 4: They had just told us that he's deliberately antagonizing a dictator.

762
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 4: They had no idea the modus operandi of how he works,

763
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 4: but it was working, and it worked with Putin, and

764
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 4: it worked with Chi and we didn't have a war,

765
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:24,399
Speaker 4: and it worked with the radical islamances. As soon as

766
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 4: he did this, he said, Iran is an outlaw nation.

767
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 4: He killed Solomani. No one even dared to do that.

768
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 4: He bombed the crap, he said, out of Isis. And

769
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 4: then he Iran called him up and said, you've made

770
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 4: us look ridiculous, and Trump said, well, I'm about ready

771
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 4: to hit you. And they said, can we send sixteen

772
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 4: or seventeen missiles over to you in Iraq and Syria

773
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 4: and get close to your base. We'll tell you the

774
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 4: time and the location. Put everybody in and it'll save it.

775
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 4: So he said, yeah, as long as you don't kill

776
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 4: one America. If you kill one American, we're going to

777
00:48:56,040 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 4: send a salvo. So there's some disagreement the military. Some

778
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 4: people suffered shell shock from the but Iranians basically did

779
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:06,839
Speaker 4: what they said they were going to do it. It

780
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 4: was a put timpkin attack. And then Trump didn't cause

781
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 4: a war, but Iran behaved, and then he put sanctions

782
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 4: on and yet they criticized him for that. They said

783
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 4: he was provoking a war with Iran. And then when

784
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 4: Iran didn't do anything and back down, and they said, well,

785
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 4: they sent missiles in and he didn't reply to them.

786
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 4: He didn't care about America. So we got to the

787
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 4: point whatever he did they were going to criticize, but

788
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 4: it all had utility, and they haven't come up with

789
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 4: any formula or solution that improved on his own. And

790
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 4: as soon as he left the world fell apart. It

791
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 4: really did.

792
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 3: What does bring us to presidency? There's a general view

793
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 3: in many quarters at the next four or five years.

794
00:49:55,800 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 3: In other words, during the next presidential term, well is

795
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 3: the most dangerous time of all the warnings that the

796
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 3: Chinese military has been told to be ready by twenty

797
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 3: twenty seven to take Taiwan by force it necessary. I

798
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 3: would imagine that Trump's reelection is hardly being welcomed in

799
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 3: Beijing today.

800
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 4: No, it is not welcomed. And of course on the

801
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 4: far right there was always a conspiracy theory because of

802
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:33,359
Speaker 4: the lab leak that people felt. I don't subscribe to that,

803
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 4: but is a sign of what the right thought of China.

804
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 4: They felt that the cold COVID that originated in China

805
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 4: was somehow connected to the Chinese fear of Tom Frump

806
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:50,280
Speaker 4: and wanting them out. When in November of twenty nineteen

807
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 4: it was almost sure that he was going to be

808
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 4: re elected, He was ahead of the polls. He would

809
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,280
Speaker 4: have been re elected if it had not been for

810
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,959
Speaker 4: COVID and the lockdown, and then the George Floyd riot,

811
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 4: which I think in themselves were a result of the

812
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 4: lockdown their intensity. So China realizes that for all the

813
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 4: talk about their they are ascendant, and they are all powerful,

814
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 4: and they have a bigger military. They still have. I

815
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 4: think in most economists will agree that they still have

816
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 4: only about seventy to eighty percent of our GDP. They

817
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:29,720
Speaker 4: have four times the population, and of very crude formations,

818
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 4: that takes four Chinese workers to approximate seventy percent of

819
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 4: what one worker does in the United States. We're a

820
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 4: very productive society and in many areas for all of

821
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 4: the Chinese, stealing and copying were much more pre eminent.

822
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 4: And under Trump, I think China will be faced with

823
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,399
Speaker 4: a lot of things that is going to bother them.

824
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 4: They have over three hundred thousand students come here. Most

825
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 4: people think two or three percent are actively agent espionage.

826
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 4: I don't think that's going to continue. I think that

827
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 4: they have a lot of asymmetrical tariffs. They know that.

828
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 4: I think for everyone, Trump will try to outdo their tariffs.

829
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 4: Not a blanket tarraff, but a tit for tat. I

830
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 4: think he will tell the Chinese, if you go and

831
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 4: bully the Taiwanese, or the Philippines or any of our

832
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 4: more prominent allies, we have ways of retaliating against you,

833
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 4: and we will do that, and we wish you wouldn't

834
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 4: do that. The thing about it so strange is that

835
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 4: under prior Republican administrators candidates that believed in the same

836
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 4: theory of deterrence as Trump, there was kind of a

837
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 4: bragadaccio that was different than Trump's. They actually would kind

838
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 4: of brag that we want to get go to war

839
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 4: with them or something. Trump talks a great game, but

840
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 4: he does not want to destroy relations with China or

841
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 4: any of our adversaries. He just wants to remind them

842
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 4: that they have overreached and what they're doing is not

843
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 4: in their interests and they will stop it. But he

844
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 4: doesn't really want to go to war. And there's no

845
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 4: idea of going into Iraq or Afghanistan or bombing Libya

846
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 4: like Hillary did to create some type of utopia. He

847
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 4: doesn't have any dreams like that. It's all Jacksonian and

848
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 4: he wants to protect the Western world. And when I

849
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 4: go to Europe, it's very bizarre john to hear people

850
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 4: who are going to be beneficiaries of Trump's foreign policy

851
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,879
Speaker 4: damn him and then praise people who would not lift

852
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 4: a finger to help Europe in a crisis or would

853
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 4: you know? Trump said to the Germans, you're playing with

854
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 4: fire with a North Stream pipeline number two, and you're

855
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 4: heavily dependent on natural gas and we better stop that

856
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 4: for your own benefit. Biden then said he was a

857
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 4: warmonger or he was alienating or ally, and then they

858
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 4: went over Trump tried to stop the pipeline, Biden came

859
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 4: in and green lighted it, which was I think unfortunate.

860
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 4: And the same thing they said Trump was suspended armaments.

861
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Speaker 4: He did not. He everything that the Congress opposed approved.

862
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 4: He sent to Ukraine. Eventually Biden came in and put

863
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 4: another arms embargo on Ukraine, and he said he would

864
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:40,800
Speaker 4: only react if it was a major invasion, if Putin

865
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 4: went into Ukraine. He asked Zelenski, do you want to

866
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 4: write out, We'll fly you out of Kiev the first week.

867
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Speaker 4: So it's a very it's a very strange paradoxical disconnect

868
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 4: where people who are beneficiaries of American muscularity attacked the

869
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,919
Speaker 4: person who cares for them or wants to help them,

870
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 4: and then praise the multilaterals, people who appease and would

871
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 4: allow them to be very vulnerable, and yet it's all emotional.

872
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 4: They just don't like Donald Trump's visage, they don't like

873
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 4: the way he looks, they don't like his accent. They

874
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 4: don't like his mannerisms, they don't like his language, so

875
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 4: they can't get over that.

876
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 3: You refer to American muscularity. Three questions as we if

877
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 3: you like, bring the boat into Harvard. That muscularity depends

878
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 3: on the vibrancy of the American economy. First question would be,

879
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 3: presumably Trump will not support decisions that around the environment

880
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 3: that hobble American growth. With any great enthusiasm, you'll see

881
00:55:55,920 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 3: a resetting of America's environmental objectives. Would that be a

882
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 3: a rewaiting in favor of economic growth and cost of moving.

883
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 4: I think that will be done by executive orders. I

884
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 4: mean he'll preface it as he always do. He loves

885
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 4: I love our water, I love our clean error. I'm

886
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 4: a conservationist, not an environmentalist. I'm a conservationist. But then

887
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 4: he will lift the ev mandate that has almost destroyed

888
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 4: some of our major automakers. That will be gone. He

889
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 4: will promote, especially this new technology of smaller nuclear power

890
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 4: plants that are much safer and much easier to build,

891
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 4: and much quicker to build. He said that when Biden

892
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:42,879
Speaker 4: replied to him, as did Harris, well we're pumping more

893
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 4: natural gas and oil than you did. He just simply said,

894
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:50,720
Speaker 4: you weren't until the midterms and then you copied my protocols.

895
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,800
Speaker 4: But you're not telling the truth because if you'd follow

896
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 4: them to their comprehensiveness, you would have been pumping three

897
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 4: to four more million barrels. And he always prefaces that

898
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 4: in terms of Europe, we could be supplying it's a

899
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 4: great deal. We could be supplying Europe with all the

900
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:11,760
Speaker 4: liquid natural gas they want. And of course he said

901
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 4: that it was a big mistake for the Europeans and

902
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 4: Joe Biden to stop the Greek Cypriot Israel natural gas

903
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 4: line to Europe. He's a businessman. He wants as much

904
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 4: production of food, fuel building. He just said the other day,

905
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 4: I'm a builder. Builders in America. Unite. We're gonna build houses.

906
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 4: We're not going to have any homeless. We're going to

907
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 4: get the country movie again. He tells the story almost

908
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 4: every time when he's addressing people. Elon, can you imagine

909
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 4: with this huge rocket, it's ten stories high, it comes down,

910
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 4: it's ten thousand degrees, it's going to burn up everything

911
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 4: or crash in the ocean, and then this arm come

912
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 4: out of nowhere, and I call Elon out, Elon, what

913
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 4: did you do? I grabbed a rocket? Mister president. Can

914
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 4: the Chinese do this? Not for ten years? Mister President.

915
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 4: That's the kind of can't. It's It reminds me of JFK.

916
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 4: He had that same idea that we were going to

917
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 4: get back moving again and build things and be preeminent.

918
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 4: And it's very funny. One of the touchstones is the

919
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 4: way he reacts to Elon Musk, who the Left hates

920
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 4: because of his purchase of X, but his attitude is

921
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 4: my God. He created an electric company. The vehicles are

922
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 4: better than the Big threes vehicles. He's the only person

923
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 4: really to break into the eight three. He saved NASA

924
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 4: from itself. He revolutionized social media. He's a renaissance man.

925
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 4: We've got to get We've got to tap into this

926
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 4: guy's genius. He's American. He's American. This is the kind

927
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 4: of guys we want. Even people he doesn't particularly fond of,

928
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:03,439
Speaker 4: like Jeff Bezos, he's been very fair to. He likes

929
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 4: people like that that are entrepreneurial, successful. He's not envious

930
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 4: of them as most people are. So I think it's

931
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 4: an exciting time if you're an entrepreneur in the United States.

932
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Speaker 3: Well, Elon Musk himself was identified to trillion I think

933
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 3: in potential savings. And that does lead to the question

934
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 3: about America's loss of control of the budget in recent years,

935
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 3: and the prospect that in many ways President Trump may

936
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 3: want to cut taxes, for example, which might have an

937
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 3: even more delectarious effect on that bottom line. Neil Ferguson

938
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 3: was an Australia recently and he made a fascinating comment.

939
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 3: I heard him observe that down he's an economic historian,

940
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 3: of course, that down through the ages, no great country

941
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 3: has remained great for long. When the cost of servicing

942
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 3: its debt succeeds what expends on defense, will America cross

943
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 3: that rivercun as I understand it last financial year getting

944
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 3: that budget under control. It means growth, but it also

945
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 3: means restraint. Elon Musk is pointing to areas where they

946
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 3: can be big savings. How do you see that unfolding?

947
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 3: And how worry you about that budgetary mess? It seemed

948
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 3: to actually received very little attention during the campaign.

949
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 4: It does I'm very worried about it. That was his

950
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 4: great failure in the first term. That, of course, it

951
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 4: was the COVID stimulus. He hadn't been as reckless Obama,

952
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 4: but he ended up as being reckless because of the

953
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 4: COVID stimulus. The problem with the thirty six trillion dollar

954
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 4: debt is that half of it was run up by Republicans.

955
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 4: And when Republicans run up the debt and they're supposed

956
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 4: to be sober and judicious custodians of physical sanity, then

957
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 4: the left says, well, if they did it, then we're

958
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 4: going to do it because as if they say they're tightwads,

959
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:05,440
Speaker 4: and they're not tight wads, so what do you expect

960
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 4: of us. The other thing is when you promise no

961
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 4: tips here, no income tax on Social Security, it's kind

962
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 4: of people here have been katching, kaching, kaching. Mister President,

963
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 4: you're giving them four trillion dollars of lost revenue. And

964
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 4: he says, well, we're going to deregulate the economy and

965
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 4: grow our way out of it. I think people think

966
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 4: we can grow partly out of it, but not at

967
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 4: current spendings. And then when you put all of the

968
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 4: social entitlements like Medicare and Social Security off the budget,

969
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 4: what are you left with? Well, the left says, you

970
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 4: have nothing to cut except defense or trim around their margins.

971
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 4: But now he's saying, yes, there's a lot to cut

972
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 4: because what you think are essential, we're pretty much products

973
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 4: of the great society that we got along fine with without.

974
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 4: Why do we need a department of energy? Why do

975
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 4: we need some of these Why do we have to

976
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 4: have a prob to like National Public Radio or PBS.

977
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 4: Maybe we can outsource it. They're talking of all these

978
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 4: other areas that are sizable as a way of avoiding

979
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 4: to cut social Security or Medicare. But he's going to

980
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,919
Speaker 4: have to get the physical. We're spending one point one

981
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 4: billion servicing the debt. We spend eight hundred million, eight

982
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 4: hundred billion, excuse me, on defense. So he's very worried

983
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 4: about defense, as you and I've talked before, because we're

984
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 4: putting our money into too few platforms and we're behind.

985
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 4: We don't make things anymore, or supply chains are dependent

986
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 4: on foreign suppliers. We've demonized a particular cohort, the white

987
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 4: male from the middle class that died at double its

988
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 4: numbers in Iraq and Afghanistan fifty thousand short. We have

989
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 4: a whole group of generals who, upon retirement violate the

990
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 4: uniform quote of military justice, attack, the commander in chiefs,

991
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 4: all of these things. He's talked about about hoving to

992
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 4: address that. But debt is I think should be the

993
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 4: center of his focus, because we can't go on this way, And.

994
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 3: That raises the question of tariff's I can understand. I

995
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 3: really can't genuinely understand the motive appeal to somebody like

996
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 3: the Vice President elect in many ways is such an

997
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 3: interesting and clear thinking man. And yet you know he

998
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 3: said the hollowing out of American industry, and yet conventional

999
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 3: economic wisdom would say tariffs are not the answer. I

1000
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 3: can understand too. Why you would want to use the

1001
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 3: threat of that against the Chinese when you think they're

1002
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 3: not dealing in good faith. That's a different matter. But

1003
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 3: tariffs per se are generally regarded as counterproductive v and

1004
01:03:56,640 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 3: inducive to reduced trade at least to trade world worst,

1005
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 3: and a reduction in living standards for all of us.

1006
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 3: Where do you think that debite mott Land.

1007
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 4: Well, sometimes he's been very sloppy in the use of tariffs.

1008
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 4: But when you talk to some of his advisors, like

1009
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 4: Kevin Hassert, for example, I think who's his most influential

1010
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 4: Economic Advisor, they will clarify it. And they said, of

1011
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:29,200
Speaker 4: course free trade allows everybody to benefit. But if the

1012
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 4: free trade is not fair, and by that they mean

1013
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 4: primarily the Chinese, but also the Europeans. If they have

1014
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 4: tariffs on goods on American products and we don't have

1015
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:46,160
Speaker 4: tariffs on the same identical American product European import, then

1016
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 4: he's going to put a tariff to equalize it. And

1017
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 4: then if the free marketer comes back to Donald Trump

1018
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 4: and says, well, you can't do that because they're more

1019
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 4: they are more effective, or this this particular product is

1020
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 4: done cheaper and benefits the world because it can be

1021
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 4: done better over there, then he will say, well, then

1022
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 4: we're going to find something that we do that's better

1023
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:13,200
Speaker 4: than what they do. But they don't play fair. So

1024
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 4: I think what they're trying to say is they're going

1025
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 4: to look at the totality of import and exports, look

1026
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 4: at the various tariffs, and as a general rule, I

1027
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:26,959
Speaker 4: don't think I'm being chavinistic, but the reports that I've

1028
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 4: seen show that the United States is one of the

1029
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 4: most asymmetrically tariff countries in the world. In other words,

1030
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 4: since World War Two, it's been the position of both

1031
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 4: parties that the United States shall take a hit in

1032
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 4: trade to allow countries that are allies of the United States,

1033
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:52,920
Speaker 4: but even neutrals, to develop economically at our detriment, based

1034
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 4: on two realities. One we can take the hit because

1035
01:05:55,720 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 4: we're so wealthy, and two that newfound prosperity will end

1036
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 4: up in freedom and consensuality and pro western cinements. I

1037
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 4: don't think that's operative anymore. If you drive through my hometown,

1038
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:14,320
Speaker 4: I will see six or seven major factories have been

1039
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 4: closed for twenty years, gang activity, poverty, per capita income

1040
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 4: of sixteen thousand dollars a year. When I was in

1041
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:26,200
Speaker 4: high school, it was booming. We made trailers, we made

1042
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 4: hydraulic lifts. We had one of the biggest canries in

1043
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:33,440
Speaker 4: the country. But all of those were put out of business.

1044
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 4: You could argue by cheap Chinese, Taiwanese, Korean exports. Now

1045
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 4: those countries have reached a level of affluence for that

1046
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:45,960
Speaker 4: asymmetry is not conducive to anybody anymore. So I think

1047
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 4: he's going to target those with some exceptions, and the

1048
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:53,560
Speaker 4: exceptions are countries that are military allies of the United States.

1049
01:06:54,240 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 4: And I think one thing I will say just to finish.

1050
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 4: And when I say he's transactional. I've been writing another

1051
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:10,560
Speaker 4: book about him, just starting, and I've been reading a

1052
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:15,040
Speaker 4: lot about his past. He's very I don't say insecure,

1053
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 4: but he's very sensitive and he feels that if people

1054
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 4: are going to attack him personally or the country, the

1055
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 4: United States, the embodiment of him as president, then he's

1056
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:30,520
Speaker 4: going to reply in kind so they will cease doing it.

1057
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 4: And that ended up in the minute name calling. But

1058
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 4: I've been watching various foreign leaders that have been bullying

1059
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 4: the United States, and I noticed that they calm down

1060
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 4: during the campaign with the idea that Trump might be elected,

1061
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:51,560
Speaker 4: Especially president early on of Turkey, he has not been

1062
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 4: as boisterous or saber rattling against Trump as you would think,

1063
01:07:55,440 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 4: given he would see Trumps more likely to stand up

1064
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 4: to Turkey than Biden or Harris or Obama. And I

1065
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:10,000
Speaker 4: think it's in all of us as humans that we

1066
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:14,880
Speaker 4: develop a respect for people who are confident and treat

1067
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:18,360
Speaker 4: us as equals. And whether we like it or not,

1068
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 4: maybe we're ashamed to admit it, but we have we

1069
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:25,360
Speaker 4: develop a sense of contempt for people who weak, are

1070
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:31,240
Speaker 4: considered weak, or obsequious or toadish, and we all like

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Speaker 4: to be treated with respect. And Donald Trump doesn't look

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Speaker 4: at magnanimity as weakness to be exploited. When he sees

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Speaker 4: magnanimimity from a foreign leaders, he feels they should be

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Speaker 4: reciprocated in kind. That's all. That's unusual and a leader.

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Speaker 4: So if I was an Australian or a British person,

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Speaker 4: or European, our Japanese or South Korean, I would are

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Speaker 4: in Israeli. I would feel a sense of relief because

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Speaker 4: the world is more dangerous. We're closer to the use

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Speaker 4: of tactical nuclear weapons than I've seen any point in

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Speaker 4: my life, and I think that he will restore a

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Speaker 4: sense of deterrence without trying to be chauvinistic and with

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Speaker 3: Well, as an Australian, I have to say the biggest

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Speaker 3: criticism I'd make of my country is that we're asleep

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Speaker 3: I believe the Wall Street Journal was right when they

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Speaker 3: pointed out that Kamala Harris seemed to have little experience

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Speaker 3: or interest in this matter, and that certain of these

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Speaker 3: bad actors would have tried her on very early on,

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Speaker 3: and I see no evidence that she was equipped for that.

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Speaker 3: So I have to say as an Australian.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's very funny because today as a historian or

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Speaker 4: World War Two, it's remarkable how of all countries, given

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Speaker 4: it was able to field crack troops all the way

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Speaker 4: to North Africa to Burma, all over the world, and

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Speaker 4: had a reputation of a very muscular, tough military that

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Speaker 4: was not afraid to fight for itself. That's why it

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Speaker 4: had such a strong affinity with the United States still does.

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Speaker 4: As I said before, I think in one of our broadcasts,

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Speaker 4: the last Pew International poll that I saw, it listed

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Speaker 4: Australia as the one country the United States had the

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Speaker 4: highest regard for the people of the United States. I

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Speaker 4: hope he can develop that relationship, so do I.

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Speaker 3: Victor, you have been very very kind with your time. Again,

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Speaker 3: your insights have been absolutely magnificent, and I'm hoping that

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Speaker 3: lots and lots of people The last time we talked

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Speaker 3: to immediately after election. We hit about two and a

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Speaker 3: half million YouTube downloads, so give them the importance of

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Speaker 3: what you had to say. I particularly hope this time

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Speaker 3: that people in my country tapping. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: Well, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 3: John.

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