WEBVTT - D4vd Will Go To Trial; Celeste’s Shocking, Final Texts Revealed 0:00:02.120 --> 0:00:06.360 Hey, folks, it is Tuesday, July twenty eighth, and through 0:00:06.400 --> 0:00:10.399 nobody's surprise, a judge has officially ruled that singer David 0:00:10.960 --> 0:00:14.520 does have to go to trial for murder. But there 0:00:14.520 --> 0:00:18.880 were still some surprises in day five of his preliminary hearing, 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:21.680 and with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes. 0:00:21.680 --> 0:00:25.960 With surprises came when the defense started introducing some text 0:00:26.000 --> 0:00:31.360 messages from Celeste Robes that were pretty strong language in 0:00:31.480 --> 0:00:37.880 terms of real violent physical threats against David. I wasn't 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:38.720 expecting to hear that. 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:43.360 Yeah, this was definitely a surprise. Obviously, we knew there 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:47.280 was a lot and we're talking thousands of text messages 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:51.400 that investigators and the defense had access to, but we 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:54.720 until this hearing had not really seen much of it. 0:00:55.200 --> 0:01:00.280 But my goodness, it was surprising to see the own 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:03.560 the texts that were taking place in the twenty four 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:05.400 hours leading up to her death. 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:08.560 Yeah, tone, I guess is a good way to put it. Again, 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:10.760 we have talked about how this looked alike and a 0:01:10.800 --> 0:01:13.720 lot of what we have seen in this preliminary hearing. 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:17.959 They were behaving and discussing things you would expect the 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:22.240 much older older of age, adults in a very serious 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:24.800 relationship to be talking about. We're talking about a thirteen 0:01:24.840 --> 0:01:27.320 year old girl, so a lot of this is shocking. 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:29.000 So to get you caught up here is day five 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:32.480 of the preliminary hearing. It was to present evidence to 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:35.080 make sure there was enough to go to trial. We 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:37.880 were fully expecting. I guess that's the first headline that. 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:40.880 Was established in the first fifteen minutes of day one 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:42.360 in the preliminary hearing. 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:44.360 I think we can all agree yet. 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:46.600 We went through the process, so yes, it's no surprise 0:01:46.640 --> 0:01:49.640 the judge officially make the ruling, but still rose. We 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:53.000 had one detective who finished up the testimony yesterday who 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:54.960 was on the stand and rose. We started to get 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:58.680 some glimpses of what the defense might want to do. 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:03.680 Since she had two stab wounds. Did she do it 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:11.040 to herself or was it possibly self defense? Robes, is 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:14.760 this have they revealed now the direction they're going to go? 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:17.320 Because they've now presented these text messages in which she 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:20.040 sounds threatening, we're going to share them. But Robes, are 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:21.720 they establishing a direction now? 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:22.240 Yes? 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:24.920 I think it was very clear in day five that 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:29.480 I was almost said to four oh my goodness, David's 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:35.080 defense team was clearly setting or establishing the fact that 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:40.639 it was Celeste revs Hernandez who was making threats, making 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:46.120 death threats, making threats of mutilating certain body parts, and 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:49.720 threatening to ruin his life, his career. Get her dad 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:52.160 involved all of the things you might imagine a young 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:55.760 girl who was desperate to try and stay in a 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:58.400 relationship that she saw slipping through her fingers. I mean, 0:02:58.440 --> 0:03:01.720 you see this in attack. You you can feel her 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:06.080 anxiety almost in the text, but clearly her threats. And 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:09.200 then they made it very clear that David didn't want 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:11.080 her to come over, that she was the one who 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:13.040 was pushing to come over, that she was the one 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:15.800 who wanted to see him. So, yes, they are clearly 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:19.840 establishing or we're starting to see them establish a defense. 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:22.280 So this was Detective Corey Farrell, and we told you 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:25.760 about him yesterday, but he was on the stand for 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:28.959 over two days. But he was the one who had 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:31.200 the phone and went through a lot of their text messages. 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:33.360 So a couple of things that they did focus on 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:35.840 the prosecution at least when he was on the stand. 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:39.680 An important timeline between April twenty second and April twenty fifth. 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:41.680 That's the stretch of time when they got into a fight. 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:44.480 He lured her over, they say he killed her. He 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:46.280 had an album release and got it aud d da, 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:50.160 dada da. So let's start with Robes. How they say 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:54.280 this all kind of kicked off and why she was 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:59.640 so pissed on April twenty second, back and forth this again, 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:04.600 She's it's thirteen, but this feels like a silly thirteen 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:09.520 year old almost or a young person's argument. I'm mad 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:12.800 at you because I saw some other girl post something 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:14.280 on Instagram from your house. 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:16.640 Yeah that was the heh, and that's it. But that's 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:17.200 all it took. 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:21.440 And yes, she was upset about some other girl and 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:22.760 that is what set her off. 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:24.440 That is what upset her. 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:28.320 And yes it was something posted on social media. I mean, 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:34.359 this is very typical. But her level of I guess 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:38.280 of anger rose to a pretty high degree. She was 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:40.400 making some very specific threats. 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:42.599 So this is on April twenty second, they say, the 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:46.080 fight happens. Now, this was important as well. Robes, this 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:50.159 timeline of the last night of her life. They do 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:53.040 believe now to set this up first of all, Robes, 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:57.000 April twenty third, when they say he lured her over, 0:04:57.640 --> 0:05:00.000 you just mentioned and it needs to be mentioned here. 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:03.400 I guess they showed text messages at least the defenstive 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:08.120 for a couple of days she was begging to come over. 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:13.880 He kept saying, no, I'm busy, Robes. That establishes a 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:17.760 pretty good It takes almost that part off the table 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:22.039 of luring somebody. They're making the point he actually didn't 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:23.760 want to see her, So how is he planning to 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:24.240 kill her? 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:27.159 And that's really important for the defense because part of 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:33.240 the prosecution's justification for potentially bringing a death sentence or 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:36.320 a life in prison without the possibility of parole are 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:40.560 those aggravated circumstances. And part of the aggravated circumstances is 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:44.440 that he lured her over for financial gain and her 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:47.160 murder was going to give him money. So you've seen 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:50.839 them throughout this preliminary hearing try to already establish this 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:54.159 idea that so much money was at stake, millions and 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:57.640 millions of dollars, his bursioning career was all at stake, 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:00.920 and that yes, he lured her own over to kill 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:04.320 her for his own financial gain. If they can debunk 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:08.200 that in terms of his role in bringing her over. 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:11.800 That is going to go a long way in his 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:14.640 if he were to be found guilty in terms of 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:19.039 his sentencing, obviously they could eliminate the special circumstances. 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:21.800 It throws. This is why you get lawyers, and you 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:22.680 get good lawyers. 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:23.479 Robes. 0:06:24.360 --> 0:06:27.560 They might have just saved his life. The way to 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:29.200 look at that, this is why and we look at 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:31.520 all this evidence and go, my goodness, he's guilty, and 0:06:31.560 --> 0:06:34.080 how he's going to overcome it? Robes. Just by getting 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:38.040 that detail possibly off the table, gets the death penalty 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:41.160 possibly off the table, and saved his life. Ro That's 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:43.839 I guess good lawyering. That's why they get paid the 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:47.480 pig bucks exactly. So, yes, they pointed all of that out, 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:50.039 that he wasn't the one trying to get her over. 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:53.880 But he finally does say okay, they agree that she's 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:56.240 gonna come over on the twenty third. Now they have 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:59.039 a timeline that says at eight thirty nine to forvid 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:04.599 ordered and Uber for her and then around ten ten 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:09.000 pm this was the final text she ever sent. Robes 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:14.480 quote almost there open your door if you're home. And 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:17.640 they do have evidence now Robes that at ten ten 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:21.520 as well, the uber arrived and at ten ten he 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:29.960 wrote back gate opened door unlocked. Now Robes ten ten 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:33.800 to ten thirty one is a very crucial time period 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:35.600 of twenty one minutes. What the hell happened? 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:41.480 And that is when prosecutors say David murdered Celest Revus 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:45.200 Hernandez in those twenty minutes, because the reason why we 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:47.880 know what happened in those twenty one minutes at ten 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:50.880 thirty one. Between ten thirty one and ten thirty six, 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:55.880 he starts sending Celeste texts where are you at hello, 0:07:56.800 --> 0:07:59.880 bro Celeste, So it looks as though he is trying 0:07:59.880 --> 0:08:02.920 to yes, cover up or act as though if anyone 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:06.080 were to get her phone or to check text messages, 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:10.200 that he was acknowledging she had never arrived, that despite 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:14.080 the uber showing her being dropped off gate open door unlocked. 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:16.840 The next text from him or where are you at hello, 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:18.720 ro sess Celeste. 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:20.480 So yes, he was a bunch of all the list 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:21.800 of a few, but it was a bunch of. 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:23.760 Those trying to make it seem as though he was 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:26.560 concerned about where she was that she had never shown 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:27.720 up at his house. 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:31.160 So that means Robes, by the time she pulls up 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:34.720 at ten ten. In their theory, they say he attacked 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:36.840 her immediately. Yes, I don't know how they know that. 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:38.640 I think there's because of the text messages. 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:39.480 I guess I get. 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:43.319 But he had twenty minutes, twenty one minutes. What the 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:45.800 hell happened in that twenty one minutes and whatever happened 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:48.640 in that twenty one minutes robed is key to everything 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:51.400 in this case. It's fascinating that they had narrowed it 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:55.120 down to a few minutes of time in his whole case, 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:57.760 so they do have evidence. After that, at eleven ten, 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:02.240 he starts driving north at Tesla up towards Santa Barbara, 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:05.760 and this is where along the way her what her 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:07.040 passport was dumped. 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:09.880 Her passport ID and so yes, they found some items 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:13.280 that they actually traced back by using his GPS and 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:15.320 a cell phone data. I believe that is, I know 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:17.480 someone found it, but they were able to actually place 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:20.679 his car almost in the exact area where her items 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:21.160 were found. 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:23.600 Okay, So as damaging and damning as all that was 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:25.600 while the detective was up there, ropes, when the defense 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:28.680 got up there, this was as effective as they have 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:34.360 been throughout Robes I was shocked by the revelation about 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:37.200 her family what this way knew. 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:40.320 I was always confused by this and maybe more will 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:43.320 come out because for her, first of all, Babe, she's 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:47.360 been reported missing since April of twenty twenty four. Didn't 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:50.600 understand how where was she for him to send an 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:53.880 uber to take her from wherever she was staying and 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:56.000 it took more than an hour, so that's about where 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:57.920 she lived. Where she came from, it was about an 0:09:58.000 --> 0:10:02.280 hour's drive from his place. So if so, how was 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:05.520 she still missing If she was coming from the place 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:08.880 where she lived with her family, maybe she was with 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:12.000 other family members, but how would her parents not have 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:14.440 known where she was? It just that was always confusing 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:17.800 to me, how she was still missing if she had 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:19.880 to or if David had to send an uber to 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:22.520 go get her to bring her. 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:23.080 To his home. 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:26.160 They showed some text messages where she sent just a 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:29.000 zip code I believe was something to where all she 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:31.480 did was a zip code in numbers, and he understood 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:34.400 which place he was supposed to send the uber to 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:36.680 pick her up. But it was a home in a town. 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:39.080 They know where it is. Who was there? You're right, 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:41.319 it's as if she had a residence, as she had 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:43.640 a full time home somewhere, so how was she missing. 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:46.559 There were reports that she had stayed with other family members, 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:49.000 But okay, that still means you're not missing. I mean, 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:50.960 even if you're not living with maybe your mother or 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:53.600 your father, you're with an aunt, you're with a cousin, 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:55.719 you're with somebody. It sounded like that's where she had 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:58.680 bounced around, So I guess it's just a little fuzzy 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:04.240 to me that she was still technically missing from from 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:07.120 her whereabouts wasn't known by her parents, or at least 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:08.199 that's what it was implied. 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:10.720 Well, it was implied, but Robes it was flat out 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:15.880 stated in court yesterday that her parents knew about this relationship, 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:20.280 her adult sister knew about it, her cousins knew, her 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:25.000 friends knew. Not only that Robes, they had given their 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:30.520 blessing to this relationship. I am not clear on what's 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:31.160 happening here. 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:33.520 Yes, And they even went so far as to say 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:38.800 that her parents signed a permission slip allowing her to 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:43.360 travel with him to London, and that her sister came too. 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:45.920 So and you think about that, even David trying to 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:47.720 say he doesn't know or he didn't realize how old 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:50.800 she was. Obviously she had a passport. Obviously you can 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:53.480 see her date of birth. And yes, when you travel 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:57.480 overseas with a minor, you have to have some sort 0:11:57.480 --> 0:12:00.320 of documentation from a parent that they were all to 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:03.280 leave the country. So all away with her sister on 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:05.800 this one, her adult sister. 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:09.559 Is there any chance that he wasn't involved? Is can 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:12.439 he make any argument that even then he still didn't 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:14.040 know she was thirteen years I think. 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:16.640 That would be really hard for anyone to believe. But 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:20.240 initially maybe that she lied about her age. Fine, kids 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:22.480 do that. Young young kids do that, wanting to be 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:25.760 older and cooler. So maybe initially I would buy that 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:27.840 he might not have known how old she was but 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:30.959 when she was eleven, But maybe she said she was 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:34.800 fourteen when she was eleven, who knows. And he was seventeen, 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:37.880 so he didn't think it was that crazy. But eventually, 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:39.520 obviously he had to have known. 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:42.440 Yeah, when you say, hey, you want to drive tonight 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:45.400 and she had no license. 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:47.160 Or hey you want to go to the club tonight, 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:47.760 or you want to. 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:50.559 Yeah, it's all kinds of stuff, Okay, But the stuff 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:56.160 about the family knowing and blessing the relationship is confusing 0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:58.400 to me. The detail that they he even went to 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:00.079 church with the family ones. 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:02.800 Yeah, and we had heard before that she traveled with 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:06.080 him to Texas to meet his family. So it seemed 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:09.319 as though, or it's starting to seem as though both 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:14.360 families were aware of this relationship as illegal as it was. 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:20.960 Bro This is going to get fleshed out in a 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:24.360 trial at some point. The dynamics in the background on 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:29.440 this are mind blowing to me. So he's committing a 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:34.360 crime and everybody around is welcome him into the church. 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:38.920 They know how old she is. He's not lying about 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:39.920 his age. 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:40.520 Is he? 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:43.520 I wouldn't think so. I mean, how couldy? 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:46.360 He looks as like he looks like an eighteen, nineteen 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:47.800 twenty year old old who's. 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:53.720 Going along with the relationship. You all know she's thirteen ropes. 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:54.960 I'm what am I missing? 0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:56.720 I don't know. 0:13:56.920 --> 0:14:01.320 Different families, different different different beliefs. I mean, look, some 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:04.440 cultures will marry off their daughters very young, so different 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:06.840 folks have different beliefs about what the right age is. 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:09.960 Even though we have laws in this country saying exactly 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:13.120 when the right age is. Who knows what different families, 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:16.760 different folks, how they operate well. 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:20.640 And this is where again he wrapped up this this 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:23.800 detective we're talking about ro if they shared some text messages. Again, 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:26.360 this was the other bombshell part of the surprising part. 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:30.200 The defense gets up there and yeah, they just listen 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:32.760 to the prosecution go through all these text messages that 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:37.320 are so damning to David. Then they put off these 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:41.320 robes that are kind of damning. Might not be the 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:42.520 right word, but they. 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:44.200 Paint threatens a certain picture. 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:49.520 Robes. Was she serious? She was only thirteen or fourteen? Robes. 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:52.760 This is some some pretty heavy stuff that the defense 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:55.560 can use to suggest he might have been fearful or 0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:56.880 she might have been unstable. 0:14:57.120 --> 0:15:01.040 Yes, so the threat the texts that they put up 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:05.520 or they discussed in court. Celeste sends this to David. 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:08.600 I swear to God, I will kill you. I will 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:11.880 strangle you to death. I will tell my dad so 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:15.400 many lies about you. I will end your career and 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:20.920 your life. I will straight up mutilate your penis. 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:24.280 I don't know what to make of that, babe. So 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:28.920 fourteen year old kid, thirteen, fourteen year old kid sending 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:32.320 that stuff? What in God's good Heaven. 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:35.480 That is the first we have heard or seen any 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:39.400 texts even like, not even in that tone or in 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:39.800 that like. 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:41.520 This was shocking to see. 0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:44.560 Yeah, I mean, is that just how you kind of talk? 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:47.960 And obviously it's not supposed to be taking taken seriously 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:50.760 when she says, I swear to God, I will kill you, 0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:53.200 I will strangle you to. 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:56.640 Death, I will mutilate your penis. 0:15:56.560 --> 0:15:59.960 Roums, What is is there any and they shared up 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:02.960 from him and his response to her, he didn't. I mean, 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:04.880 there might be others somewhere they can dig up in 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:07.320 the prosecution. At least the defense showed some responses that 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:10.640 were measured in how he was responding and trying to 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:14.160 deal with her robes. I don't know if the defense 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:17.480 is going to be able to take this and make 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:21.360 it a defense he was. She had already threatened to 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:26.000 literally kill him, came over that night a ratic out 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:30.080 of control. She did this, she picked up that, and 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:33.440 what can you say? But who can tell that story? 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:37.920 He's the only one man, He is the only one. 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:40.840 So you can't enter that even into evidence. You can't 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:42.360 enter that scenario. 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:44.440 Unless he's willing to testify. 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:48.040 Or unless they have some forensic somebody who can put 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:52.600 together the scene. No, you can't robes he's it? Am 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:53.440 I missing something? 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:54.200 Nope? 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:57.320 Who else can tell that story? But stay here, folks, 0:16:57.360 --> 0:17:01.080 The defense was not done. They may a couple of 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:06.640 other significant points that again lead to a counter narrative 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:08.000 that is developing. 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:19.800 And welcome back everyone to this episode of Amy and TJ. 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:22.560 We are talking about day five, and it was a doozy. 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:25.680 It was the final day of the David Anthony Burke 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:29.400 preliminary hearing where a judge, yes, ultimately decided no surprise 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:32.400 to anyone that this is going to trial. But what 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:37.440 was surprising was the window into what we are about 0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:40.480 to see from David's defense team, what his defense will 0:17:40.600 --> 0:17:43.000 likely be a trial, and they are already painting a 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:51.480 picture of a erratic, maybe even vengeful, angry Celestrivas Hernandez 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:55.199 who was making threats in the hours leading up to 0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:58.960 her own death. In addition to some of these texts 0:17:58.960 --> 0:18:01.720 that we saw come out in court yesterday, we also 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:06.800 yes learned that she was begging him, begging David to 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:08.800 come to his home, not the other way around, Not 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:13.040 that luring thing that prosecutors have been painting a picture 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:16.399 of and so she insisted on going to his house 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:19.560 that night, and David was They were texting back and forth. 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:23.960 Robes, she he's planning. They said he had to get 0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:27.679 her over that night to kill her. He'd been telling 0:18:27.720 --> 0:18:30.560 her not to come for days, said he was busy, 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:33.959 apparently had an album coming out in a couple of days. Right, Robes. 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:37.800 That is a very good point that they were able 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:42.199 to make Robes and show that she was pestering to 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:44.240 a certain degree. Have to see you this week. I 0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:46.679 can't go another week without da da da da. Can 0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:47.920 I come with the night? We need to talk about 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:52.480 this face to face Robes. Look, we've been waiting. On 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:55.119 the defense, we were waiting. They usually always come up 0:18:55.160 --> 0:18:56.680 with something the other thing they show in the text 0:18:56.760 --> 0:18:59.520 from that night, Robes, they had a good line that 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:02.040 always saw he wasn't planning a murder. He was planning dinner. 0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:04.280 He was actually texting her as she was on the 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:06.760 way in the uber about possibly getting in and out burger. 0:19:07.640 --> 0:19:11.120 That is so strange, like could he have been doing 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:14.480 it to have her guard be down and think, Okay, 0:19:14.480 --> 0:19:17.960 we're going to have a lovely, fun takeout dinner and 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:20.760 We're gonna have makeup sex and everything's going to be fine. 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:24.800 Or was is that true? Was he really he didn't 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:27.080 have murder on his mind. He had a burger on 0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:31.520 his mind, and he was not expecting things to unravel 0:19:31.560 --> 0:19:32.679 the way they did so quickly. 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:35.879 And this bro, what do you make of it? He 0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:42.679 can prove now that at least she told him she 0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:46.000 was older. They have text messages from two different years, 0:19:46.000 --> 0:19:47.600 and one of them she says she was sixteen, another 0:19:47.640 --> 0:19:51.040 she says she was eighteen. Does he know that he 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:52.880 believe that? Yeah. 0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:55.359 I don't think it's unreasonable to think that a thirteen 0:19:55.400 --> 0:19:57.880 year old girl would lie about her age. I think 0:19:57.880 --> 0:20:00.960 that plenty of girls have done that to try and 0:20:01.000 --> 0:20:03.320 get the attention of an older guy. I don't think 0:20:03.359 --> 0:20:06.320 that's unreasonable to think. But I do believe after a 0:20:06.359 --> 0:20:10.119 three year relationship, at some point, meeting the family, et cetera, 0:20:11.359 --> 0:20:13.800 I feel like it's unreasonable to believe that he wouldn't 0:20:13.800 --> 0:20:16.040 have actually known her real age. I think maybe initially 0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:18.720 and maybe for a little while. I've been duped by 0:20:18.720 --> 0:20:21.639 someone's age before, so it can happen. But as an 0:20:21.680 --> 0:20:25.600 adult with another adult, let me just please put that 0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:26.480 into context. 0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:28.680 But yes, so I. 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:30.679 Need to give further details. 0:20:32.160 --> 0:20:36.359 No, completely different situation, but that's not unreasonable to me. 0:20:37.560 --> 0:20:39.960 But still I guess that would just only speak to 0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:44.560 the sexual crimes he's facing and Rome. 0:20:44.640 --> 0:20:47.719 The other part of that is she was threatening him. 0:20:48.240 --> 0:20:52.280 What was she threatening him with revealing the relationship? Yes, 0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:56.560 so I would in a legal relationship. 0:20:56.600 --> 0:20:59.000 That's a really good point. He wouldn't have had his 0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:02.000 career wouldn't be on the line if she was of age. 0:21:03.080 --> 0:21:05.400 It just would have been a messy breakup and some 0:21:05.440 --> 0:21:07.160 girls saying he did me wrong, but. 0:21:07.480 --> 0:21:09.520 That'd be it. He had to deal with all that 0:21:09.560 --> 0:21:10.640 on and pretty. 0:21:10.359 --> 0:21:12.719 Much every singer songwriter in the world has actually made 0:21:12.800 --> 0:21:15.440 millions of dollars off of those scenarios with their lyrics. 0:21:15.520 --> 0:21:17.920 So yes, it would not have been an issue had 0:21:17.920 --> 0:21:20.639