Speaker 1: Look man, oh, I see you? Why look over there?
Speaker 1: How is that? Yes? Goodness ding Dong lost culture just calling.
Speaker 1: This is a major day. It's a major day. I
Speaker 1: have the only lit I have the King candle lit
Speaker 1: in front of me. Let me tell you something. I'm
Speaker 1: looking over there at the Eyom candle. It's lit across
Speaker 1: from me. Of course, everyone, all of our readers know
Speaker 1: that my house is decked out and only Home Essential
Speaker 1: is the only Essential home line. I have a question
Speaker 1: to ask, have you ordered your five wiks or seven weeks?
Speaker 1: I think the nine is out? I might be mistaken
Speaker 1: on the catalog on the off road. No, there's no.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a nine just yet. But there
Speaker 1: of course that. I ordered two five wicks and they're
Speaker 1: on the way to my apartment. They are on the way.
Speaker 1: I got matching ones for me and Sudie, and I
Speaker 1: could not be more excited. Then, when of a new line,
Speaker 1: a new line? Okay, well, is there anything that we
Speaker 1: should just any housekeeping? We should get out of the
Speaker 1: way first. I feel like we're just kind of diving
Speaker 1: head first into the guest and I have no qualms
Speaker 1: about that at all. I have no qualms about that.
Speaker 1: This episode is not just an episode of podcasting, but
Speaker 1: it's a testament to why you always have to shoot
Speaker 1: your shot in the d M s. Okay, this is
Speaker 1: what this is why that you have to go for
Speaker 1: it in life. I would say in terms of housekeeping,
Speaker 1: it's definitely Oscar season. I mean, I've definitely seen some
Speaker 1: films I'm actually in the middle of. Have you heard
Speaker 1: of this film Passing by Rebecca Hall? This has our
Speaker 1: our favorites, This has Tessa Thompson. This, Yes, it's exquisite.
Speaker 1: I'm watching it right now. I actually just watched King
Speaker 1: Richard the other day with Will Smith. That was amazing.
Speaker 1: About the Williams sisters. Everyone's got a stream that on
Speaker 1: HBO Max will Smith is unbeatable. For the Oscar I
Speaker 1: would say that might be a family. That might be
Speaker 1: a film I watch with the parents, like they understand
Speaker 1: what's going on visually just enough. You gotta understand anyone
Speaker 1: who anyone out there with immigrant parents who where there's
Speaker 1: sort of a language barrier. You gotta just watch something
Speaker 1: that's visually stimulating to sort of get them. Can I
Speaker 1: just can I just say say something. I took my
Speaker 1: parance to go see Hamilton's when they were in town
Speaker 1: for my birthday. Poor Dad fell asleep in the first
Speaker 1: act and I got upset at him. I was like, Dad, like,
Speaker 1: you got how can you fall asleep to this? It's
Speaker 1: so loud. That's it's so loud. There's so much going on.
Speaker 1: There's such a loud, explosive performance and even some effects,
Speaker 1: and even some effects. I mean he I think I
Speaker 1: think we went to go see Leyms in London and
Speaker 1: I think he lived was many booms in that show,
Speaker 1: many booms he was. He was also like, wow, I
Speaker 1: love that circular stage, the way it spins around. I go, well,
Speaker 1: there's one here too, there's a there's another circular stage
Speaker 1: on this one. Dad, Like, what what gives? I think
Speaker 1: if you're watching stuff this holiday season with your family,
Speaker 1: if they have a hard time, you know, staying compelled
Speaker 1: to watch something, just just do something big, bright, fun
Speaker 1: like King Richard. I'm just saying the tennis is popping
Speaker 1: off and kid tens off. I think this is I'm
Speaker 1: really excited to watch this. I'm saving it for for
Speaker 1: the holiday. It's a really good one. It is a
Speaker 1: crowd pleaser and it's it's like it's an amazing story.
Speaker 1: I mean, will Smith is great on Jane Ellis who
Speaker 1: plays Oris and Price their mother is great, the girls
Speaker 1: who played the Williams sisters are amazing, and it's just
Speaker 1: obviously we all know how the story ends, but it's
Speaker 1: kind of nice to see how the story begins. Like
Speaker 1: it's really very winning and it's a triumph, I would say.
Speaker 1: And then I also saw early screening of the film
Speaker 1: don't look up the new Netflix movie that's coming out,
Speaker 1: the new Adam McKay, and that was it will Stay
Speaker 1: with You, so look out for that one too. But basically,
Speaker 1: none of this is as important. I think we should
Speaker 1: just get right into it. I think we should get
Speaker 1: right into it because really the pop culture moment is
Speaker 1: really Housewives of Potomac reunion happening right now. And our guest,
Speaker 1: I don't know about you, Bowen, but when I turned
Speaker 1: on The Housewives of Potomac the first episode of the
Speaker 1: reunion and I saw who was sitting right on X
Speaker 1: to Andy, I said, absolutely and someone who does not
Speaker 1: take that positioning lightly in a literal sense, like she
Speaker 1: knows the placement, the meeting behind the placement, and oh
Speaker 1: my god. Basically they said Karen Huger, move over. Well,
Speaker 1: I just want to say you you remember the beginning
Speaker 1: of season five, we were watching it together or just
Speaker 1: checking in with each other, and I was just like,
Speaker 1: Wendy's got it. I was like, Wendy's got it. I
Speaker 1: love of this from the first episode. I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: very interested and honestly not to like be reflected too
Speaker 1: much in this, but I go, it is actually very
Speaker 1: meaningful to have this housewife who has this interesting relationship
Speaker 1: with her mother as this immigrant who expected a lot
Speaker 1: of her and who has opinions about her career path.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is extremely powerful to watch on
Speaker 1: a TV show like The Real Housewives, and I hope
Speaker 1: that it likes has sort of broaden people's scopes on
Speaker 1: like what that is. Speaking of her mother, she has
Speaker 1: a book coming out, Tears of My Mother, The Legacy
Speaker 1: of my Nigerian I'm bringing it out in Mayo in
Speaker 1: pre order now, pre order now, um we we we've
Speaker 1: been waving around our ownnee home essentials. I don't need
Speaker 1: the namestake candle right here. A lot of it is
Speaker 1: sold out right now, which is a great sign that
Speaker 1: means she's in demand. That means she's in demand. But
Speaker 1: we've been over that already. Um what else not political
Speaker 1: commentator and obviously the star right on Andy's right on
Speaker 1: that couch on the Real Housewives of Potomac. And I
Speaker 1: don't think we could be more excited to welcome and
Speaker 1: let's address her correctly your ears doctor, here we go.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I'm so deactiv. Yeah, we cannot. You
Speaker 1: can tell you how excited we are. I mean when
Speaker 1: I when I looked down at my phone, it was
Speaker 1: it was a better d M, you know, response than
Speaker 1: I've gotten from any gay man who's DM I've slipped.
Speaker 1: I loved it. I loved it. I was like, I
Speaker 1: am honor. It's so funny because when you reash out
Speaker 1: to me, I was like, they want me. I felt,
Speaker 1: So you're the first housewife we've ever had. Are you serious?
Speaker 1: I hear so many great things about your podcast, and
Speaker 1: even when I put it in my instant story, you know,
Speaker 1: like people like, oh I love that. I'm like, I know, well,
Speaker 1: it's our it's our honor. What are you talking about,
Speaker 1: it's my honor? I mean honestly, like, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, this is too much. How are you
Speaker 1: spending this this holiday week, Wendy, What's what's on the
Speaker 1: what's on the agenda? Um? So Thanksgiving? This coming up.
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving us like a blip for my family. And I
Speaker 1: think it's because of the two different cultures. Like Nigerians
Speaker 1: we don't do Thanksgiving. We do it here in America.
Speaker 1: But it's like, okay, let's get over this hump so
Speaker 1: we can get to the big shebang, which is a smith.
Speaker 1: So Christmas is like big for us. But this week
Speaker 1: is spent like decorating the house like they, you know,
Speaker 1: the people says I like to call them, came in
Speaker 1: and judged up the home for us. And I'm behind
Speaker 1: on grading for my students. And it's fall break at
Speaker 1: Hopkins and so I'm catching up on my grade book.
Speaker 1: So that's my life this week. What is what is
Speaker 1: the grade book these days? Is it? Because I think
Speaker 1: there's I kind of yearned for the days of remember
Speaker 1: someone someone tweeted this, like remember when you would peak
Speaker 1: at the physical grade book on your let's just say
Speaker 1: like you're in grade school, elementary school, middle school, when
Speaker 1: you would peek over at that grid page and to
Speaker 1: be like a hundred nine whatever and you just like
Speaker 1: get a sense of yourself. Now it's all electronic. I assume, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's all electronic. I put and no peaking, and then
Speaker 1: it's it's like every assignment has a different weight. So
Speaker 1: I'm I hate math. I'm not good at math. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, this is only worth five points. So
Speaker 1: now I'm using my low calculator on my iPhone, Like,
Speaker 1: so what's the three out of five? Is that a?
Speaker 1: Is that a A? Or is that be? Like so
Speaker 1: I I despised it and nothing is out of a hundred, Like,
Speaker 1: let's go back to everything is out behindred. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: the entire semester is out of a hundred. So everything
Speaker 1: was broken down. Sorry, I'm I'm a millennial professor and
Speaker 1: it comes out in my aggravation at all faculty meetings.
Speaker 1: They no, but I have to ask, so, like you
Speaker 1: are you back in the classroom now or is it
Speaker 1: still all virtual? So the good news is the program
Speaker 1: I teaching was always virtual. Every once in a while
Speaker 1: I did face to face classes, so it didn't the
Speaker 1: pandemic really didn't impact my teaching because we've always been virtual.
Speaker 1: It's just that in the spring I'll pick up one
Speaker 1: or two classes they're face to face because the weather
Speaker 1: is nice. I like to be on campus. But now
Speaker 1: I'm like, hell, no, I'm not in the classroom. I'm
Speaker 1: not doing that. No, no, no, no. You're saying how
Speaker 1: your students, some of your students, mostly you're undents, are
Speaker 1: very aware, but keep the boundary the distance between you
Speaker 1: being on them being aware that you're on the show.
Speaker 1: That you've had a couple be like, hey, um, I
Speaker 1: had this question about public affair stuff whatever, But then
Speaker 1: what's the deal with Robin and Gizella or whatever? And
Speaker 1: you're like, I can't tell you that. I swear the
Speaker 1: conversations for the most part. And when I say most part,
Speaker 1: I mean like of my students, they don't question, they
Speaker 1: don't say anything is completely professor student relationship. But then
Speaker 1: you always have those few who will say something like, hey,
Speaker 1: I was looking at page three of the syllabus and
Speaker 1: I wanted to know about the final exam and whether
Speaker 1: Karen Hugo is really shooting in suring. I like, here,
Speaker 1: really shot? How did we go from the syllabus to
Speaker 1: Surrey and peanuts? I'm self confused? And it escalates that quickly.
Speaker 1: Is now like a period between the syllabus conversation and
Speaker 1: then the Karen Hugo conversation. It's like a running thought.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, okay, all right, don't doesn't that put
Speaker 1: something on you to be like, well, I can't think
Speaker 1: any differently of this student. I can't let the professor
Speaker 1: student relationship be affected by what they just brought into this,
Speaker 1: Like I feel like that puts the onus on you
Speaker 1: to like, I don't know, like brush it off. Is
Speaker 1: that fair to say? Yeah? No, I I always what
Speaker 1: I do, what I have learned is I answer whatever
Speaker 1: question they have about the course, and I put l
Speaker 1: O L. I saw your last question. You have to
Speaker 1: stay too, smiley face. It's literally a copy of pace.
Speaker 1: It's literally a copy of pace I put for everything
Speaker 1: just to say I acknowledge it. I get it. But
Speaker 1: l O L smiley face. You know I I mean,
Speaker 1: what can I say? Like they want to know about
Speaker 1: you know, they want to know about Candice's album. They
Speaker 1: want to know if they could come to the album release.
Speaker 1: I'm like, girl, no, you cannot come to I have
Speaker 1: to say I um. I was on Instagram this morning
Speaker 1: and she posted a little bit of her singing Alone
Speaker 1: by Heart and the vocals are there and they've always
Speaker 1: been there and I really liked the album and drive
Speaker 1: Back is basically become the theme song to this podcast.
Speaker 1: But she's got the real chops like there's and I
Speaker 1: saw her on Kelly Clarkson and she killed it. I
Speaker 1: think she did. Wow, I think she killed it. I
Speaker 1: think that, you know, if nothing else, I'm happy for
Speaker 1: her chasing what she loves and what she has been
Speaker 1: doing since she was younger. No shade to anyone, but
Speaker 1: you know, Candice is not like, Okay, I'm on this platform,
Speaker 1: now what I'm going to start singing? No, she has
Speaker 1: pictures of her singings and she was little. So I'm
Speaker 1: always a big proponent of people chasing their dreams, no
Speaker 1: matter what it is. I'm glad she's doing that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's been really interesting, like because because from the first
Speaker 1: season to the second season, obviously it's like it's almost
Speaker 1: like a Wendy two point Oh. There has been like
Speaker 1: this this glow up if if you pardon me using
Speaker 1: the expression, but what I've really loved about it is
Speaker 1: like it is actually a progression from season one. If
Speaker 1: you really think about it, it it doesn't really come out
Speaker 1: of nowhere, because you've been saying since the first season
Speaker 1: that there was parts of you that you've been wanting
Speaker 1: to explore that you've maybe been hesitant to explore in
Speaker 1: the past because you do have this relationship with your
Speaker 1: mother and with your you know, Nigerian upbringing that sort
Speaker 1: of prevents you from stepping outside the box too too
Speaker 1: much because you have this expectation with yourself, with your mom,
Speaker 1: with your culture. So I actually think it's not really
Speaker 1: coming too far outside the box because you already made
Speaker 1: the big decision to be on a program like The
Speaker 1: Real Housewives of Potomac, and then it shouldn't feel too
Speaker 1: surprising for anyone like your castmates or anyone that's watching
Speaker 1: to see you also branch out into things that housewives
Speaker 1: have done in the past that we shouldn't be surprised
Speaker 1: your interests like home essentials. So what would you have
Speaker 1: to say to people that are like still on this
Speaker 1: narrative of but where's this new Wendy coming? Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I honestly would say to them, you know, look at
Speaker 1: how we end up season five, Season five, and then
Speaker 1: with myself and the conversation with my mom, she gave
Speaker 1: me her blessing so to speak, and said, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm proud of you go chase your dreams. So
Speaker 1: if you stop it there and you pick up from
Speaker 1: season six, it's like, okay, so now I'm living for
Speaker 1: me and in our culture, people may not know this,
Speaker 1: but part of the expectation is not just education, but
Speaker 1: for women is also family. And I finally had a girl.
Speaker 1: That was like the full circle moment, like you have
Speaker 1: your two boys, you have your girl, You've completed what
Speaker 1: you were set out to do as a Nigerian woman.
Speaker 1: Now go live. I have nothing else to beg of
Speaker 1: you because you have the degrees, you have, the children,
Speaker 1: you have the husband. Now go live and live. I did,
Speaker 1: and I don't know who else didn't get plastic surgery
Speaker 1: while we were in the pandemic. It's like the perfect
Speaker 1: time that you It's like the perfect time to heal.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know so many of my friends I
Speaker 1: didn't get that. I'm saying, like, yeah, that's about to say.
Speaker 1: So many people got no because we had masks on.
Speaker 1: So I just I mean, I get it, and I
Speaker 1: and and I'm not faulting people because I do understand
Speaker 1: if you leave somewhere as memory serves you, you're thinking
Speaker 1: about the professor, and let me speak to that too.
Speaker 1: I feel like, culturally, and when I say culturally, I
Speaker 1: mean as a society, we put people in professions and boxes.
Speaker 1: If you're a professor, you look like this. If you're
Speaker 1: a doctor, you look like this. And so here I
Speaker 1: am this professor and I got my tits out and
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, this, this is not this is not
Speaker 1: what we were ingrained to believe. And I love I
Speaker 1: love music and Nas has this song, Um has this
Speaker 1: lyric on Hate Me Now with him and Diddy, and
Speaker 1: he says, people fear what they don't understand, and and
Speaker 1: that's the truth. Well we don't understand something is almost
Speaker 1: like wait, that's not what I was talking. That doesn't
Speaker 1: make sense. That's that registering it is what it is.
Speaker 1: How do you feel like you can like assuage that
Speaker 1: fear and people? Though not that it's your responsibility. But
Speaker 1: I kind of feel this way sometimes, not to like
Speaker 1: I don't know lionize myself or anything, but like I
Speaker 1: feel like I kind of always every single day. When
Speaker 1: do you feel that way about? Like, I don't think
Speaker 1: an audience watching, you know, this show that I'm on
Speaker 1: really knows what to make of this, like queer Asian guy,
Speaker 1: and so that's why, like that's where a lot of
Speaker 1: their anger comes out in their frustration. They like vent
Speaker 1: all of these weird things onto me, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's just because you've never like seen seen someone like
Speaker 1: me before. And that's okay. But I I kind of
Speaker 1: think about this with everybody. I'm like, how do you
Speaker 1: sell yourself to people when they just like are kind
Speaker 1: of coming into this, I default saying I don't get
Speaker 1: their whole deal. What I have come to realize that
Speaker 1: I'm not, you know, all knowing is I feel like
Speaker 1: our biggest form of revolution it's just to exist because
Speaker 1: I don't know about you. I didn't see me growing up.
Speaker 1: I never saw a professor who was, yes, a professor,
Speaker 1: but also very confident in her sexuality in a public space.
Speaker 1: And I think that it always sucks being the first.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm the first, but sometimes when you
Speaker 1: have such a big platform, it puts you on this
Speaker 1: pedestal that you are not yeah, this person. And if
Speaker 1: I can like just reach out to everyone who has
Speaker 1: reached out to me and said thank you. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: a doctor, I'm a pharmacist, I'm a firefighter. And you
Speaker 1: have allowed me to live in my truth to say
Speaker 1: I don't have to go with the label or the
Speaker 1: stereotype that comes with me. Then that's what I have done.
Speaker 1: That that that is my contribution to the conversation because
Speaker 1: people need to see us, people need to see you
Speaker 1: existing in your truth, because when they don't, then we
Speaker 1: are helping continue the narrative of what people who look
Speaker 1: like us, think like us, love like us, are supposed
Speaker 1: to act like And that's not helping at all. Wendy,
Speaker 1: this is this is it. This is why you you
Speaker 1: tune in, This is why you watch her talking head
Speaker 1: on the political shows. This is this is the power.
Speaker 1: I would say, like when you came on the show,
Speaker 1: and I remember you were on Watch What Happens Live
Speaker 1: one time and Andy said, I'm so proud to have
Speaker 1: you as a housewife. I really do think I remember
Speaker 1: him saying that, and I was like, yeah, it really is.
Speaker 1: You are a different kind of real housewife. And so
Speaker 1: I was wondering, how did it come to you? Did
Speaker 1: they were they scouting? Did you have a friend on
Speaker 1: the show, Because I know often it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: they try to make it so that it feels like
Speaker 1: a real friend group. But how did it come to you?
Speaker 1: And I wonder what the process of you accepting the
Speaker 1: role on the show was like, because it had to
Speaker 1: be a consideration. Yeah. So it's it's funny because I
Speaker 1: knew I had met two of the ladies prior to
Speaker 1: even being in this universe type of thing. But I
Speaker 1: had someone who I mean, I don't even have a
Speaker 1: title for them. They're not They're connector. And I was
Speaker 1: in New York filming a local segment and she said, Hey,
Speaker 1: would you ever do reality TV? And I said, I
Speaker 1: don't know, but never say never. I am a big
Speaker 1: yolo type of person. And so she said, okay, I
Speaker 1: want you to to meet some people. And so I had
Speaker 1: a meeting with some of the head honchos for the
Speaker 1: production company that does Potone It and what I thought
Speaker 1: would be a thirty minute meeting ended up lasting for
Speaker 1: hours and we had a great conversation. And after that conversation,
Speaker 1: they were like, we love you, and the rest is history.
Speaker 1: But I didn't go into it. I didn't, you know,
Speaker 1: apply to a casting call or anything like that. It
Speaker 1: was really your friend who said would you ever consider this?
Speaker 1: And at that point I was at a really weird
Speaker 1: space in my career meeting. I have been doing the
Speaker 1: local commentary for so long, and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: what's next for me? And I said, whatever I do next,
Speaker 1: I have to do it quickly because I know that
Speaker 1: my biological clock in my head for me is ticking
Speaker 1: and I will not have one more baby. So when
Speaker 1: she presented the opportunity to me, I was like, yeah, sure.
Speaker 1: And the reason I added that last pieces when we
Speaker 1: came home from New York, my whole family was with
Speaker 1: me from that meeting that week, we conceived Camera and
Speaker 1: so it was just like this weird alignment because if
Speaker 1: if I would have conceived her prior to the meeting,
Speaker 1: I don't think I would have taken it, you know,
Speaker 1: because I would have been like, oh, motherhood, you know,
Speaker 1: this is perfect, you know my last one. Let me
Speaker 1: just take it easy. But literally, at like when we
Speaker 1: came back, she was conceived. And so it's it's just
Speaker 1: so funny how you know destiny works and how everything
Speaker 1: lined up. And then that explains the because I think
Speaker 1: the timing and I getting this right, you Guys shot
Speaker 1: season five like two months after Cameron was born. Yes,
Speaker 1: Cameron was born in July. Production came knocking on my
Speaker 1: door in August and we started filming the first week
Speaker 1: of September. And so it just and I remember my
Speaker 1: interview for for you know, with the executives. They said,
Speaker 1: would you have any other kids, you know, would you
Speaker 1: consider And I said, yeah, I would want one more.
Speaker 1: I want a girl. And I even said I want
Speaker 1: a girl and I want to have her now because
Speaker 1: I want her to be able to walk by the
Speaker 1: time you and my husband when an anniversary. Literally, wow,
Speaker 1: that is planning a Yeah. So here we are. Yeah,
Speaker 1: back to talk about your mother, like talk about like
Speaker 1: how liberating that was, because I I do relate to
Speaker 1: that a lot too. Where Like I grew up all
Speaker 1: the way through college thinking I have this, I am
Speaker 1: duty bound to what my parents want from me in
Speaker 1: my career, and it was I was pre mad and
Speaker 1: then Matt. Matt remembers this moment where I was I
Speaker 1: fully fell into this depression after we graduated college where
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't think I want to go
Speaker 1: to med school. I think I might try to pursue
Speaker 1: this show biz thing um and he was going to
Speaker 1: go home to Denver, and I remember I had seen
Speaker 1: Bowen perform all throughout college, and I was like, that
Speaker 1: is absolutely not happening. And we said, I we we
Speaker 1: basically anchored Bowen to New York to keep on performing.
Speaker 1: But it was it was a big thing for you.
Speaker 1: But it was this huge conversation that I had to
Speaker 1: have with my parents were they weren't even like I
Speaker 1: don't think they ever gave me the blessing to like
Speaker 1: do this, but even just that that tiny, tiny like
Speaker 1: interstitial space that I found to be like Okay, well
Speaker 1: you're not saying that you're going to disown me if
Speaker 1: I do this, so I'm gonnam to do it was
Speaker 1: like such a such a moment I think in like
Speaker 1: like the first generation development of people. And so I
Speaker 1: don't know, like what was that like having that conversation
Speaker 1: with your mother having camera's role and then like making
Speaker 1: the decision like like how soon was it after that
Speaker 1: where you decided I'm going to go for everything that
Speaker 1: I want to go for. Wow, that's a powerful question.
Speaker 1: It's it's actually funny because I said to myself, I
Speaker 1: can only have this conversation with her with cameras rolling,
Speaker 1: because I know she won't call me in front of people,
Speaker 1: so that was like my safety. So people didn't know
Speaker 1: that because I think sometimes we have like these hard
Speaker 1: conversations and people like, well, that's kind of weird that
Speaker 1: you're having this, because even this season I had a
Speaker 1: conversation with my mom during the photo shoot, and people
Speaker 1: were like, why she talking about this in from her
Speaker 1: mom in from shoot? Because she can't kill me when
Speaker 1: people are there. You were and she was perfect. But
Speaker 1: you know, having having that conversation was really hard for
Speaker 1: me because Bonus, you said, it's like for for for
Speaker 1: me being the first gen, it's so hard because you're
Speaker 1: straddling two worlds. And in my book Tears of My Mother,
Speaker 1: I talked about how first generations we often straddle two
Speaker 1: worlds to the to the point that I propose that
Speaker 1: we create a new name for the for the third
Speaker 1: world in a sense right that we are straddling because
Speaker 1: one feat is here, another feat is here, but we
Speaker 1: occupy that middle space and it's something that feel like
Speaker 1: only us No, And it was so hard for me,
Speaker 1: And I clapped for you because at least you went
Speaker 1: and chased your dreams I didn't start chasing my dreams
Speaker 1: until I accomplished everything that she wanted me to, and
Speaker 1: part of that first step was actually doing the Royal
Speaker 1: Housewives because she couldn't say no because I've already been
Speaker 1: a professor, I've already received my degrees, I've already been married,
Speaker 1: I've already had kids, and so it was hard for
Speaker 1: her to say no because it's like, You've done what
Speaker 1: you need to do. And I think what's really important
Speaker 1: that some people may not understand is I understand that
Speaker 1: for everyone, your children are your pride, but for Nigerians
Speaker 1: in particular, your children filled the gap for what you
Speaker 1: did accomplish, and so that's why they push it so hard.
Speaker 1: Because for us, I have friends that their parents are,
Speaker 1: their father are taxicab drivers, and for their father, that's okay,
Speaker 1: that that's all he achieved, but his child is now
Speaker 1: a medical doctor, so you cannot look down on him
Speaker 1: because of what his child has done. And it's really
Speaker 1: a delicate balance because you know that your parents have
Speaker 1: sacrificed so much for you to be here, but you
Speaker 1: want to live your own life in the same breath,
Speaker 1: you don't want to let them down because you know
Speaker 1: that they didn't accomplish what they wanted to because they
Speaker 1: sacrificed for you. And it's like this big mind. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, it's just so horrible. But I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't have any you know, I don't have any beautiful
Speaker 1: answers for it. I just know that that's a beautiful
Speaker 1: conceptualization of it though. That's how people need. I mean,
Speaker 1: I just hope that the next generation we as first
Speaker 1: gens for our children. We allowed them to dream. I
Speaker 1: don't know if our parents allowed us to drink. And
Speaker 1: if I could pass any gift to my kids, I
Speaker 1: would say, you can dream, and you can dream thing.
Speaker 1: You know. I will also say you have the most
Speaker 1: beautiful children every time, every time, every time, you and
Speaker 1: I just it really is. They have such good energy,
Speaker 1: they seem like such happy kids. And obviously your husband
Speaker 1: is like a fan favorite. At this point, I mean,
Speaker 1: we stand Eddie in this house and say that wait,
Speaker 1: let me see, let me be aduilding mom. So yesterday
Speaker 1: Eddie and I went to parent teacher conference for Carter
Speaker 1: and Cruz and we went to Cameron's last week and
Speaker 1: their teacher for Cardon, they said, you know, your sons
Speaker 1: are so compassionate whenever they have a child struggling, you know,
Speaker 1: Carter with his teacher said he's the first one to help,
Speaker 1: and the Cruises teacher said he's the first one to help.
Speaker 1: To the point that Cruz was out last week and
Speaker 1: the kid that he walks to the bus to make
Speaker 1: sure his frankness. The bus missed the bus because Cruz
Speaker 1: wasn't there, and the teacher's like, oh my god, for god,
Speaker 1: Cruis didn't come to school to day, so this kid
Speaker 1: missed the bus. The reason I'm telling the story is
Speaker 1: here I am and my hoodie and and leggings at
Speaker 1: this meeting, crying like a baby because I'm like my kids,
Speaker 1: you know, even my daughter, they said the same thing.
Speaker 1: I'm like, the one adjective that everyone has used to
Speaker 1: describe my kids as compassion. And I was like, and
Speaker 1: I am such a bit. I'm crying because I'm like
Speaker 1: I want to be because they have this train and
Speaker 1: I don't know why I don't have it. And I'm
Speaker 1: literally and Eddie's looking at me like literally he faces
Speaker 1: like this he's look and the conference that he's like,
Speaker 1: it's not about you get yourself together. In that moment,
Speaker 1: I was just like, oh my gosh, like you know,
Speaker 1: because at the core of this, I want my kids
Speaker 1: to be successful. Yes, yes, yes, but I just want
Speaker 1: to make good human beings. And to hear that, I
Speaker 1: was just like, oh my god, how then my parents
Speaker 1: failed me? I'm not but they did not, But I do.
Speaker 1: I do want to ask, though, because whenever we have
Speaker 1: people that have been on reality television on the podcast,
Speaker 1: and we have had a few, one of the most
Speaker 1: fascinating questions I think, and everyone always gives a different answer,
Speaker 1: is when you see yourself edited to and depicted as
Speaker 1: a character, And oh my god, I can already tell
Speaker 1: it has to be such a mind fuck because you know,
Speaker 1: even like when Bone and I see ourselves on television
Speaker 1: playing characters, it's weird. And then when you see yourself
Speaker 1: as yourself, but it's also filtered through this you know
Speaker 1: need that the producers and editors have to make you
Speaker 1: into a part of the narrative. I want to know
Speaker 1: what your experience is with that and how much you
Speaker 1: recognize yourself. Oh my gosh, I can cry answering this question,
Speaker 1: and I don't know why, because I feel like, oh gosh,
Speaker 1: that's such a you know, and you know, the saying
Speaker 1: check on your strong friend. So you you don't know it,
Speaker 1: but like that's like you check it in because it's
Speaker 1: like no seriously, because you know you play. We're on
Speaker 1: this show, and everything we say we said it by
Speaker 1: Everything has contexts, And I feel like the viewers sometimes
Speaker 1: they're not privy to the context or things are cut
Speaker 1: and spliced, and so even if it was said in
Speaker 1: one way, now it's a whole another way. So when
Speaker 1: I see myself, I feel like, you guys see the
Speaker 1: worst version of me. Oh, it's who I am because
Speaker 1: I said those things. But that's not all I am.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's the piece, you know, Like if you
Speaker 1: see me telling someone, hey, don't don't talk about my family, yes,
Speaker 1: that's one piece, but the larger pieces because I am
Speaker 1: this mom who goes to PTA meetings and I care
Speaker 1: about my kids being compassionate and we do homework together
Speaker 1: and I just want to make sure they're okay. And
Speaker 1: so when you talk about my family, you were touching
Speaker 1: my achilles heell, because the only thing in the world
Speaker 1: that can break me is my family. But you don't
Speaker 1: get that piece. You don't get that story, that that backstory,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, But I feel like if we're talking
Speaker 1: specifically about the Williamsburg moment, Matt and Matt, so Matt
Speaker 1: was in town, Um, this is one of the this
Speaker 1: is one of the few episodes where Matt and I
Speaker 1: watched together season and and that episode, I mean I
Speaker 1: had hills. I mean, Matt, you remember, like I I
Speaker 1: held my breath that entire ten minutes span or whatever,
Speaker 1: and like by the end, like you and I were
Speaker 1: like on our feet just applauding, clapping for Wendy. Were
Speaker 1: you essentially you booked seasonne? I mean, it's cemented the
Speaker 1: legend because because and as as fans, of course, we
Speaker 1: want to see Gazelle and Robin get dragged because I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, as fans and also saying this, you know,
Speaker 1: with compassion for them as the full and they are,
Speaker 1: knowing that they're playing their roles. But I think that
Speaker 1: it would be disingenuous for any fan of the show
Speaker 1: to watch that and feel like like that was responsible
Speaker 1: of them to do because and now to see them play,
Speaker 1: you know, and not to get too too much into
Speaker 1: the narrative of the season, because people can watch the
Speaker 1: reunion for that. But I think it is really obtuse
Speaker 1: for them to not recognize what they've done when they
Speaker 1: bring something like that narrative onto the show, which, as
Speaker 1: you said, goes from being known by hundreds of people
Speaker 1: to millions, because, as you've been saying, your family, as
Speaker 1: they grow older, can now recognize that this was a
Speaker 1: narrative on the show when it had absolutely no basis
Speaker 1: in truth. And so it is a lack of respect
Speaker 1: for you, and you as a mama bear and as
Speaker 1: someone who's a proud person and and like a lover
Speaker 1: of your husband, like of course you're going to go
Speaker 1: all the way in. And so yes, we appreciate that
Speaker 1: moment because we love to see Giselle get dragged for
Speaker 1: her foolishness and Ashley, you know, be exposed as the
Speaker 1: henchman that she is on the show. But also like,
Speaker 1: I want you to know that we are hundred percent
Speaker 1: at least we bowen and I know where that comes from,
Speaker 1: rooted in what you've been saying. Yeah, I think, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: thank you guys. I appreciate that so much. You know,
Speaker 1: it's we we sign up at this show and we
Speaker 1: don't we know what comes with it. We get it.
Speaker 1: We understand it. But what I realized last year at
Speaker 1: the end of last year is you have to know
Speaker 1: who you are when you come on this platform, because
Speaker 1: if you don't, you will have millions of people telling
Speaker 1: you who you are. So you have to know who
Speaker 1: you are, because when I tell you, people will tell
Speaker 1: you know, this is who you are, and for some
Speaker 1: people they start to believe it. So I am very
Speaker 1: I hold very close to my family and the people
Speaker 1: who don't win and the people who know me because
Speaker 1: when I say that I am, you know, Eddie will
Speaker 1: tell you I'm the biggest softie ever. Um. And it's
Speaker 1: so funny because I was watching the reunion, I guess
Speaker 1: new narrative they're trying to play is that I control him.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's a new narrative because they have him
Speaker 1: air certain the questions and like quick bites. But he
Speaker 1: literally gave gave a whole dissertation, and then at the
Speaker 1: very end Andy asked me a question like, so when
Speaker 1: you wather your final thoughts on this, I said it,
Speaker 1: But then they played that in the way that I
Speaker 1: cut him off and I spoke for him. In the
Speaker 1: whole world is saying, well, why don't you let him speak,
Speaker 1: why would you cut him off? I didn't. I was
Speaker 1: asked the question. I was asked the question, but you
Speaker 1: didn't see that. So it's it's it's those moments that
Speaker 1: you're just like, yeah, let me change the damn channel.
Speaker 1: I know. Yeah, Well, there's no way that it's not
Speaker 1: completely dissociated for you to watch yourself completely like reshuffled, spliced,
Speaker 1: like assembled differently literally in like this real way. And
Speaker 1: I think that with what you were saying earlier, like
Speaker 1: I bring up me and Matt watching it together because
Speaker 1: I think there are a lot of viewers who are
Speaker 1: watching a moment like that and thinking, oh no, I
Speaker 1: do actually see the nuance behind this moment, that there
Speaker 1: is more to it than even this something so a
Speaker 1: emotional and big and there's obviously conflict here, but like
Speaker 1: I think there there's this implicit understanding of like what
Speaker 1: was going on? What was that play? Like I I
Speaker 1: completely understood where you were coming from personally, um, and
Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like you've done a very
Speaker 1: remarkable job of like presenting the totality of yourself, even
Speaker 1: though there's no way for a show like this to
Speaker 1: represent that, like on your behalf and the best way.
Speaker 1: I feel like you do bring all of yourself to
Speaker 1: the show, which is why I love you, which is
Speaker 1: why I've gone on record to say that you're my
Speaker 1: favorite housewife. Don't I appreciate that? Oh, I really appreciate that.
Speaker 1: You know. I think that for all of us, we
Speaker 1: come into this and we just you know, the hope
Speaker 1: is just to bury your soul. And what Eddie was
Speaker 1: telling me, because he's my therapist, UM told me you
Speaker 1: have to be an authentic self. But with that you
Speaker 1: also have to know that people digest you how they
Speaker 1: want to, and you can be mad at how someone
Speaker 1: digests you. And that has stuck with me. And you know,
Speaker 1: I am just moving with the adage is better to
Speaker 1: be hated for who I am the love for who
Speaker 1: I'm not. So this is me and you love it.
Speaker 1: Thank you. If this is me and you hate it,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. But at least I'm giving you who I
Speaker 1: really am. I don't know, don't apologize for Yeah, I
Speaker 1: feel like, um, you really are you? You do elevate
Speaker 1: the show, and I would say like, um, obviously. Next
Speaker 1: week is the last episode of the Reunion at the
Speaker 1: end of this season, and it is hosted by Nicki Minaj.
Speaker 1: So before we asked, before we asked the question of
Speaker 1: what was the culture that make you say culture is
Speaker 1: for you, I want to know if you can tell
Speaker 1: us a little bit about the experience of being at
Speaker 1: a reunion hosted by Nicki Minaj, and if you can
Speaker 1: tease how it went at all, or just just explain
Speaker 1: what it's like to be in the presence of Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh. So I I was just so taken aback
Speaker 1: because it's it's it's layered. It is layered because first,
Speaker 1: it's okay, Nicki Minaj is hosting the reunion, that in
Speaker 1: itself was like, whoa. The second piece is Nicki Minaj
Speaker 1: watches your show. So it's it's it's really so many
Speaker 1: pieces to it. But once I found out that Nicki
Speaker 1: Minaj was going to be the guest, it was in
Speaker 1: that moment that you guys see the preview, because she
Speaker 1: started out by sending us a video saying I can't
Speaker 1: make it, but I love you guys. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh and world, we bought that, And I was completely okay,
Speaker 1: and I was honored by because I'm like, she did
Speaker 1: a video first, this is great. Let's move on, let's
Speaker 1: get to the questions. Oh my god, that's amazing. But
Speaker 1: if but I'll be lying to you if I didn't
Speaker 1: feel like something was up. I started to feel like
Speaker 1: something was up after our first break. I don't know
Speaker 1: what it is. I blame everything on my mommy's senses,
Speaker 1: like I know my child could be upstairs. I'm like,
Speaker 1: Carter is doing something bad. I don't know why. I
Speaker 1: just feel it. And I was like, I turned to
Speaker 1: canvas and I was like, I think making minajes here.
Speaker 1: She said what, No, I don't think that. I said,
Speaker 1: something is going on, and I don't know. And so
Speaker 1: when Andy said the whole thing about I think I
Speaker 1: need a drink, I was like, she is here, and
Speaker 1: it was such an amazing moment, and just let the
Speaker 1: record show. You're gonna see at the very end something happens.
Speaker 1: But I just know that the bottle that she's holding
Speaker 1: when she walks in is now in my collection of alcohol.
Speaker 1: I can't tell my kids. I I snagged that sucker.
Speaker 1: I was like, none of you get this. I think
Speaker 1: I think everyone was so caught up taking pictures with her.
Speaker 1: I was like, no, no, no, no no, no, no no.
Speaker 1: The bottle way she walks, and she says, I'm here, bitches,
Speaker 1: that bitches, and we do something with that bottle. That
Speaker 1: bottle is still in my house. You were not that
Speaker 1: is coming to the house. Hope for all of my
Speaker 1: pain the season that I have explained, that is my
Speaker 1: token reward, and she really goes in on people what
Speaker 1: I have I have never felt. So it's like it's
Speaker 1: I it's almost like you're so I went almost close
Speaker 1: to last, and it's like you're watching someone push your
Speaker 1: friends off a cliff, carrying your friends stream as they
Speaker 1: go down, and in your head you're saying, I'm next,
Speaker 1: I'm next. So the rust Squatch starts where Ashley and
Speaker 1: you see Me and Carrot hold each other because we're like,
Speaker 1: oh my god. And so in that moment we all
Speaker 1: realize she is going to reload and it will be
Speaker 1: your turn soon. It was so chaotic, it was so
Speaker 1: chao Oh my god. You can tell that even in
Speaker 1: the I don't know if it was the preview for
Speaker 1: the episode or something for next week, but like, Nia
Speaker 1: is completely thrown and I'm like, if you can like
Speaker 1: a thrown off a cliffs, as Wendy says. Now, Wendy
Speaker 1: we have to ask you the question that we ask
Speaker 1: all of our lost culture is disgust, which is what
Speaker 1: was the culture that made you say culture is for you? Bowen?
Speaker 1: Can you explain more in detail, this is the sort
Speaker 1: of formative foundational pop culture or that kind of set
Speaker 1: you off, That was the seed crystal that blossomed into
Speaker 1: this beautiful lattice of culture in your life. Oh man? Okay,
Speaker 1: So can I pick more than one? Yes? So too?
Speaker 1: Oh man, I have so many. Okay, so I'll do
Speaker 1: movie and music. Okay, perfect for movie. I you know,
Speaker 1: I'm a child of an immigrant and I have an
Speaker 1: older sister, and so why say that While my mom
Speaker 1: was working it was me and my sister. We often
Speaker 1: turned to movies to tell us what life could be
Speaker 1: if my mom worked hard enough. And Clueless that's my
Speaker 1: favorite movie. Yeah, I just I just watched it the
Speaker 1: other day because I watched it once a month. Clueless
Speaker 1: change in my life. And once I saw that, I
Speaker 1: saw all how the other side of the world lives
Speaker 1: for us. You know, we were living in a two
Speaker 1: bedroom apartment and to see these kids, and to see
Speaker 1: her go to her closet and push a button and
Speaker 1: her clothes rotated. I was like, this is amazing and
Speaker 1: it never left me and I was like, this is
Speaker 1: this is it? That movie as well as um gosh,
Speaker 1: I know the song top that Top that I don't
Speaker 1: really give about topping that? What song is that about?
Speaker 1: The girl who the tea? What is it? What is it?
Speaker 1: What is it is? Wich? That was my listen that
Speaker 1: movie and The Boy Who Could Fly? Those were like
Speaker 1: my nineties, like, oh, okay, honestly coolest you know what
Speaker 1: it was? I was, I was we were obviously we're
Speaker 1: all young when that first came out, but just remember
Speaker 1: the image of Alicia Silverstone in that Jean Paul Guttier
Speaker 1: like like like plaid ensemble that she had picked out
Speaker 1: in her computer, and then her walking down and then
Speaker 1: Dion Stacy dash in that like hat, you know, them
Speaker 1: walking down and just um talking to each other this way,
Speaker 1: and then you know, as if like the whole thing
Speaker 1: is like it was. It felt like it was just
Speaker 1: I didn't know why, but it hit me right in
Speaker 1: my like yeah, I don't I don't know what it was,
Speaker 1: but I was like I need to know everything. It
Speaker 1: was so it was so much, you know, it's this timeless.
Speaker 1: It created this very timeless fantasy. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: it's Jane Austin or whatever, but like it's still this
Speaker 1: but the image of going to that high school and
Speaker 1: dressing up that way and like driving through the palm trees,
Speaker 1: like I just like that is so indelible to everybody,
Speaker 1: I think, especially people of our age. You know, like
Speaker 1: what a huge movie now that was. That was huge.
Speaker 1: That was major. And and thank you to the casting
Speaker 1: for making Gone right, for making Dion a woman of color,
Speaker 1: because too often those movies existed, like you know, you
Speaker 1: can have you know, the Breakfast Club like those movies,
Speaker 1: but we didn't, I didn't have representation. But to see Dion,
Speaker 1: you know in that movie, to see Stacy Dash, it
Speaker 1: was like, oh wow, this is And also you know,
Speaker 1: the thing about Dion and Clueless is yes, she is
Speaker 1: the best friend character, but she also has her own arc.
Speaker 1: In fact, we actually know more about Dion's romantic life
Speaker 1: then we do Shares. And also you know, she has
Speaker 1: experiences that Share doesn't have. You know, you get that
Speaker 1: Share like takes a lot of cues from her and
Speaker 1: from her relationship with Murray played by Donald Faison. And
Speaker 1: also it's just they have this entire thing going on,
Speaker 1: and it's it's not just the stock best friend, which,
Speaker 1: of course, as we know, people of color and queer
Speaker 1: people often are just the appendage. But that was not
Speaker 1: the case with this movie. And it's just it is
Speaker 1: ahead of its time, and it it Actually it's important
Speaker 1: for people growing up to see it, because then they recognize,
Speaker 1: like a diverse group of friends is not just like
Speaker 1: you know its it exists. It's out there. And I
Speaker 1: just thought, especially at an affluent school, like that representation
Speaker 1: too is just it had to mean a lot. It
Speaker 1: meant a lot, and for for me and my thirties,
Speaker 1: the fact that it still sticks with me as a
Speaker 1: testament to how much it does mean and how much
Speaker 1: it did me. You know. So yeah, so my music, yes, okay,
Speaker 1: so I have to. The first would be Little Kim's
Speaker 1: crush on You video when she switched her freaking way
Speaker 1: I'm from red to yellow to blue to green, and
Speaker 1: she had those contacts in her eyes. Let me tell you,
Speaker 1: I was in the seventh grade and I said, I
Speaker 1: don't want to wear glasses anymore, and my mom's, okay,
Speaker 1: you need contacts. I got the same colored contacts as
Speaker 1: her at one of them up until college when I
Speaker 1: finally said okay, enough was enough. Up until college because
Speaker 1: of her, she literally changed how I viewed fashion, how
Speaker 1: I viewed sexuality. She just how she just dominated. In
Speaker 1: that five minute video, I said, this is this is it? Alright.
Speaker 1: Second Britney Spears. I loved Britney Spears song. Um, I
Speaker 1: think it's I'm a Slave for You, where she had
Speaker 1: the yellow python and she had the jeans below her waist,
Speaker 1: and then and then she did baby Baby that moved
Speaker 1: the culture, That moved the culture from me in so
Speaker 1: many ways, because it's just something about these women who
Speaker 1: just are so sure and so confident about themselves and
Speaker 1: just the way in which they are showing the world
Speaker 1: that I'm owning this space. It's just, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: that those are fantastic answers. Have any have any of
Speaker 1: you guys seen the Janet Jackson documentary that just came
Speaker 1: out through the New York Times? Is that the one
Speaker 1: that explores the thing with her and justined, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: but basically, like everyone is sort of the setup of
Speaker 1: it all is just like talking about Janet's career up
Speaker 1: until the shift when I think, um, it was Control
Speaker 1: was the album where like things like before that, like
Speaker 1: her first two albums were very sort of like fulfilling
Speaker 1: the Joe Jackson like you know, thing of like Okay,
Speaker 1: it's wholesome, it's you know, it should appeal to all people.
Speaker 1: And then Control was when she started to like own
Speaker 1: her sexuality. And that's when the culture did not know
Speaker 1: what to do with this black woman who was owning
Speaker 1: her her physicality this way. And I mean talk about
Speaker 1: like Little Kim like sort of doing that completely in
Speaker 1: this revolutionary way herself. But with the Janet, it was
Speaker 1: just this thing of like okay, and so of course
Speaker 1: society is going to pile onto this woman for doing
Speaker 1: something that falls out of line with what they value,
Speaker 1: and so of course they're going to side with this
Speaker 1: man who profits off proximity to black culture and all
Speaker 1: this stuff highly recommended. But I mean, both Little Kim
Speaker 1: and Britney Spears, I think fantastic answers and sort of
Speaker 1: like all and I'm just I was just sort of
Speaker 1: fresh off watching this documentary. I'm like, there's something about
Speaker 1: that time in the culture. I know, we we all
Speaker 1: talked about like early ots like impactful whatever. But like,
Speaker 1: little Kim is so major on so many levels, and
Speaker 1: I still don't think we've processed the impact. We don't
Speaker 1: give her her flowers. Little Kim is why we're able.
Speaker 1: You don't bowe, and you and I were having this
Speaker 1: conversation of us occupying this space and people looking at
Speaker 1: us and not knowing what to do with us. Little
Speaker 1: Kim is why you're able to digest Cardi b Little
Speaker 1: Kim is why you're able to digest Nicki Minaje. That
Speaker 1: is she she kicked that door open, and a lot
Speaker 1: of these women literally oh their entire image to her
Speaker 1: because there was never a time before that women would wrap,
Speaker 1: but they were They felt they had to wear men's clothing,
Speaker 1: like the Queen Latifa's of the world, the empty lights
Speaker 1: of the world. They came before her, But Little Kim
Speaker 1: was the first one to say, I can wrap about
Speaker 1: this stuff that you know, may seem gangster to some people,
Speaker 1: but I can do it. Wh I'll be in sexy
Speaker 1: that's never been done before. So hats off to her.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I just sit and listen to how many licks,
Speaker 1: and I just like let it happen to me, And
Speaker 1: I just like because she's she's going in so hard
Speaker 1: and it's like you don't think she can heighten it.
Speaker 1: But the whole song is this build and it just
Speaker 1: gets even more. And also that chorus that you get
Speaker 1: to listen and I'm just like, the whole thing is
Speaker 1: driving and it's just taking you to Mars. I am
Speaker 1: obsessed and you're you're right because you know it's it's
Speaker 1: it's funny that you say Britney spears and also little
Speaker 1: Kim and in a way, you know, looking at these
Speaker 1: girls and clueless who you know, we're confident and own themselves.
Speaker 1: It seems like and sometimes I think like the things
Speaker 1: that are most important to us are the things that
Speaker 1: we need the most. So you, as a young person,
Speaker 1: was what was the relationship to like I don't know
Speaker 1: what it is in the culture with your mother, what
Speaker 1: was their education Aasian relationship to sexuality? Like was it
Speaker 1: something that you found yourself learning more from outside of
Speaker 1: of that or like what was that relationship I learned?
Speaker 1: I we had my mom and I had conversations about
Speaker 1: what happens to a woman's body as she matures, what
Speaker 1: happens if you do have sex? Like what you know,
Speaker 1: what the result of that is, but as far as
Speaker 1: my own sexuality, that's something that I had to look
Speaker 1: to the media for. It wasn't conversations that were that open.
Speaker 1: And that's why when you guys see me in season six,
Speaker 1: it's me be liberated too. We started filming the second
Speaker 1: week of February and I had my surgery the end
Speaker 1: of January, I believe. So you guys are seeing someone
Speaker 1: who just got this new body and she's like yes.
Speaker 1: And sexuality is something that oftentimes is quailed Nigerian society,
Speaker 1: especially for females. It doesn't happen as rampant, but they
Speaker 1: still have female you know, general mutilation in Nigeria when
Speaker 1: only men should enjoy the spoils of sexuality and women shouldn't.
Speaker 1: So it's like this sense of ownership. And I feel
Speaker 1: like I peaked late in life because my friends, I
Speaker 1: feel like they understood it when they were younger, when
Speaker 1: they were in their twenties, and I'm just getting into it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, yes, I'm loving this, and I'm like
Speaker 1: I'm like ten years late here, guys, but whatever, because
Speaker 1: I think I think as as as gay men too,
Speaker 1: like when you look at especially when we were growing
Speaker 1: up and this is why I think it's great that
Speaker 1: there is so much more representation. I mean, it matters
Speaker 1: in every sense because I mean as a gay man,
Speaker 1: I'll just say it, like, you don't really figure out
Speaker 1: how to have sex until you're in your mid to
Speaker 1: late twenties. Our generation away, Like at least that's how
Speaker 1: I can speak for myself. I was unsure of that
Speaker 1: because we really didn't. Yes, we had sex education, but
Speaker 1: it was entirely focused on the heterosexual point of view.
Speaker 1: I mean, there was no there was absolutely no education.
Speaker 1: You know. Our friend John Early has a joke, I'm
Speaker 1: in a butcher, But it's like, I think in high
Speaker 1: school I could have benefited from less trigonometry and more
Speaker 1: how to use my butt for sex. Like and it's
Speaker 1: just like and it's like I identify with that because
Speaker 1: because we were just kind of like thrown to the wolves, Like,
Speaker 1: how are you exactly going to learn not just about
Speaker 1: the mechanics, but about the specifics and the nuances of
Speaker 1: sexuality if you don't have anyone telling you because either
Speaker 1: they don't know or it feels taboo, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. I love that, and I think that that's
Speaker 1: so important for you to say to me as a
Speaker 1: heterosexual woman, because so many times I'm in these spaces
Speaker 1: and we have conversations about diversity, and I just think
Speaker 1: that and I often say this in my meetings. I
Speaker 1: feel like we put so much emphasis on racial diversity
Speaker 1: or gender diversity, but we need to understand what it
Speaker 1: means for people who come from different backgrounds all over
Speaker 1: and how we're educating them, because like, I never thought
Speaker 1: of that. I never thought of sexual education and how
Speaker 1: that looks at it through one lens, Like I would
Speaker 1: have never thought about that, And what does that mean
Speaker 1: for for people who are trying to reconcile, Like I
Speaker 1: was like, what does sex look like? And for you guys,
Speaker 1: he didn't even have anything, and that breaks my heart.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, I promise you. They were talking.
Speaker 1: It's funny because they were talking about it on the
Speaker 1: reel like it was a topic on the reel. It
Speaker 1: was like one of the hot topics they were saying,
Speaker 1: Like they were discussing whether or not anal sex should
Speaker 1: be taught during sex education, and a couple of the
Speaker 1: hosts were like, this is too much, Like I don't
Speaker 1: want my child like this feels like a little extra
Speaker 1: and I feel like there wasn't a voice saying, well,
Speaker 1: remember that is that is actually how some people have
Speaker 1: sex and they don't have another option. So that's just
Speaker 1: a different perspective I think to look at it, like,
Speaker 1: of course, like if I'm a heterosexual person with heterosexual
Speaker 1: children and I think, you know, but sex, I'm like, okay, wait,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm hesitant, but I do think it's important to voice.
Speaker 1: And that's why I think it is. It's it's actually
Speaker 1: crucial to have more representation in terms of like the
Speaker 1: voices teaching, you know, just acknowledging the spectrum of sexuality
Speaker 1: amongst everyone and like radically changing the way that we
Speaker 1: speak to each other and respecting each other's sexual identities, um,
Speaker 1: gender identities, et cetera. Because it's not monolithic. And I
Speaker 1: think that we need to be more respectful, definitely, but
Speaker 1: absolutely at the baseline, just more aware and more like
Speaker 1: as you said before, compassionate about what people need. Dr
Speaker 1: Matt correctly. I just think until like we get there
Speaker 1: in terms of the educational aspect of it, Like I
Speaker 1: think what Wendy's saying is very after where it's like
Speaker 1: you are, only a lot of people are getting their
Speaker 1: sexual sort of context from the media and that's okay,
Speaker 1: and there's I mean, now it's got I mean, the
Speaker 1: documentary talks about how even now, like you know, we've
Speaker 1: gotten much better about empowering women to have to to
Speaker 1: to be sexually sort of liberated in media, but like
Speaker 1: that's sort of the only way a lot of people
Speaker 1: like figure it out because there's nothing a textbook can
Speaker 1: teach you about, you know, only having some ownership or
Speaker 1: you know, autonomy in that no matter what you're gendero is,
Speaker 1: no matter what kind of sex you have, Like I
Speaker 1: feel like you might as well watch someone I don't know,
Speaker 1: like let's just say little Kim like have her tid
Speaker 1: out at an award show and be like, well, that's
Speaker 1: that's pretty crazy and cool, Like let me try to
Speaker 1: explore that part of myself. I don't know. It is
Speaker 1: important though, that while I think it's it's not necessarily
Speaker 1: destructive or or any other way one way or the other,
Speaker 1: that people get their you know, representation of sexuality in
Speaker 1: the media. I think that's really why it's important that
Speaker 1: that representation be responsible and also be be holistic, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Because because I do think that
Speaker 1: it's different for women and men. You know what I
Speaker 1: mean for a woman to say, I'm going to step
Speaker 1: out like and this is going to be the way
Speaker 1: I represent myself. Like, I think that we just have
Speaker 1: to acknowledge the fact that, like the society treats and
Speaker 1: we see it in the media, the way that these
Speaker 1: women are treated and the way that you know, they
Speaker 1: get disregarded, for example with Janet Like this is why
Speaker 1: I think, actually it does matter that the textbooks change,
Speaker 1: It does matter that that it gets um addressed in schools.
Speaker 1: I think it's actually the response ability of people educating
Speaker 1: our young humans to have a more compassionate approach. Because
Speaker 1: you're talking about the media, Like, yes, I do think
Speaker 1: it can be empowering, as we're all talking about, but
Speaker 1: also the media is entertainment industry is a business, and
Speaker 1: these people, these like corporations and these people that put
Speaker 1: things together are not necessarily thinking, let me responsibly educate
Speaker 1: the young people that are going to watch this sexuality.
Speaker 1: So I think it does have to be a holistic approach. However,
Speaker 1: I think are these empowering figures, And I think as
Speaker 1: we move forward and as we see media change, it
Speaker 1: is getting more holistic and responsible. I mean, you don't
Speaker 1: turn on HBO now and every single show has rape.
Speaker 1: I mean at least as a conversation about like the
Speaker 1: fact that that needs to change. And um so I
Speaker 1: think we're getting better, but I do think it's important
Speaker 1: that education wise, we get more holistic, more respectful, and
Speaker 1: more informative in real ways. Absolutely, And just to you know,
Speaker 1: tree branch off of that. That's why at the reunion
Speaker 1: when Andy was, you know, saying, what surgery did I have?
Speaker 1: I informed him, but I also gave like a disclaimer.
Speaker 1: Women are dying from this, and it was really important
Speaker 1: for me to find a board certified surgeon because I
Speaker 1: know the power of this platform and I understand it
Speaker 1: and it's not lost on me. So I would never
Speaker 1: want someone to say, I want to do what Wendy did,
Speaker 1: but you know, maybe I want to cut costs. Well,
Speaker 1: I want to be very clear, people are dying. So
Speaker 1: if you're going to do it, go to a board
Speaker 1: certified surgeon. Because you know, I think that to what
Speaker 1: you're saying at media does have a sense of responsibility
Speaker 1: for it to be responsible what they are showing. And
Speaker 1: I definitely felt that in that moment and it's great
Speaker 1: that they showed you saying that too, because, as you said,
Speaker 1: they can cut around anything, because then I think you
Speaker 1: you probably would have been mortified to watch it, and
Speaker 1: had they not included that, there's a reason why you
Speaker 1: said it. Yeah. Thanks, I'm glad at least they including
Speaker 1: one thing I like, right, it must be so frustrating
Speaker 1: all but one one more thing we should commend you
Speaker 1: for before we move on to I don't think so,
Speaker 1: honey is I'm very glad they did also show you
Speaker 1: asking Ashley, do you think colorism exists in society? She
Speaker 1: says yes? Do you think it exists within this friend group?
Speaker 1: She says no, Like that is the perfect way to
Speaker 1: sort of isolate her worldview on not her world view
Speaker 1: or her view on this show privilege that it. You
Speaker 1: really kind of honed in on that in a way
Speaker 1: that I think was fair to her. You were, you
Speaker 1: gave her an opportunity to clarify what she thought, and
Speaker 1: she's still she's still kind of talked her way out
Speaker 1: of this truth. And like Matt says this, I mean
Speaker 1: a lot of people say this, but each Housewives franchise
Speaker 1: is about a different thing in society. You know in
Speaker 1: New York it's about alcoholism, and you religious, well, they
Speaker 1: have there's a clear issue with with each thing. And
Speaker 1: I think that, okay, tell me what each one is
Speaker 1: real quick. I didn't know that well. I think that
Speaker 1: the that's something that's very dark in the New York
Speaker 1: Housewives is they all seem to have a real dependency
Speaker 1: and they're grappling with alcohol abuse. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: that it's from the very beginning you've seen these women
Speaker 1: change and they've all been through divorces and been through
Speaker 1: hardship and different traumas, and I think that it's something
Speaker 1: that threads them all. Is it gets really dark with alcohol.
Speaker 1: And I think that that's probably the larger conversation that
Speaker 1: needs to happen with Beverly Hills. I think, you know,
Speaker 1: there's so much about the cracks in the China, but
Speaker 1: it's about appearing a certain way but really having um
Speaker 1: really one thing go on. I mean, if you go
Speaker 1: back to the first season, second season, like it's all
Speaker 1: about how one of the women is being abused physically
Speaker 1: to the point where she may she may die, and
Speaker 1: one it gets spoken out loud and then the show
Speaker 1: takes a turn and it's really about, like, you know,
Speaker 1: these women speak in their truth in a real way
Speaker 1: and not caring what people think. When I watch Potomac,
Speaker 1: I think that there is there is an issue with colorism,
Speaker 1: and I think that there there and I every time
Speaker 1: it comes up on the show, I think, you know,
Speaker 1: it's almost a shame that there can't be more of
Speaker 1: a discussion about it, because I do think like me
Speaker 1: as a viewer, and you know, I'm also very aware
Speaker 1: of the fact that I'm not the person to lead
Speaker 1: this discussion, but I do think it should be had.
Speaker 1: Is you know, um, I think that the darker skinned
Speaker 1: women are treated differently than the lighter skinned women. And
Speaker 1: for you to pose that question to Ashley and for
Speaker 1: her to shirk the responsibility, I think kind of says
Speaker 1: it all because what we're not acknowledging is even if
Speaker 1: she feels she doesn't behave a certain way, she's not
Speaker 1: taking in the totality of what the experience of being
Speaker 1: on the show is, which is you guys deal with
Speaker 1: the viewers and how they treat you as well, and
Speaker 1: so you know, only you know that experience. But I
Speaker 1: do think that there is obviously a difference that's just
Speaker 1: what I'll say, that's what I never And first of all,
Speaker 1: thank you that was so well put. Um, But I A,
Speaker 1: I didn't know that other people noticed it. Like I
Speaker 1: know that there's a subsection of people who noticed that.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that all the viewers and if I'm
Speaker 1: being very candid, viewers that are not black noticed yes. Yes,
Speaker 1: And so that's very interesting to me that you have
Speaker 1: said that, because we just thought that it's something within
Speaker 1: black culture that we know of, because we have dealt
Speaker 1: with it our whole lives versus everyone who sees it
Speaker 1: and they're like, no, there's colorism at play here. So wow, Wow,
Speaker 1: it did take it coming up on the show, and
Speaker 1: like there are I do. I One of my favorite recappers,
Speaker 1: just Brooke Ashley, and she she's on YouTube and she
Speaker 1: talks about the show and she makes it a point
Speaker 1: and she's so frustrated with it that, you know what
Speaker 1: stops her from enjoying the show often, um, which is
Speaker 1: a shame. But the fact is, like when I see
Speaker 1: them get on Canvas and they don't get on Ashley
Speaker 1: the same way, and they don't get on you know
Speaker 1: the way that Giselle and Robin can sometimes be the
Speaker 1: same way. You can't help but notice that that's all
Speaker 1: I'll say, you know what I mean, Wow, fascinating. We'll
Speaker 1: just we'll just leave it at that. Uh, we live
Speaker 1: it at that and everyone can think about it. So
Speaker 1: now moving into our iconic segment, I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: which is the cornerstone, the touchstone of lost culturess, where
Speaker 1: we take one minute to rant against something in culture,
Speaker 1: pop culture, whatever is grinding your gears because it needs
Speaker 1: to be addressed correctly as it were. Um, I do
Speaker 1: have I do have a topic. Okay, this is Matt
Speaker 1: rodgerss I don't think so, honey. His time starts now.
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. Method acting, girl, This is
Speaker 1: this is a mess. So I'm reading reviews for the
Speaker 1: Power of the Dog, which is the new Jane Campion
Speaker 1: movie with Benn and decumber Batch and Kirsten duns and
Speaker 1: he says he did not bathe while he was I said,
Speaker 1: if you have to do that to get into character,
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, that is not method acting.
Speaker 1: That does not make you a better actor, That makes
Speaker 1: you disgusting to be around, that makes you a health hazard,
Speaker 1: that makes you a safety concern that makes me if
Speaker 1: I'm Kirsten Dunts very unasy. If I don't want to
Speaker 1: be around you, if you smell like ass, I don't
Speaker 1: think so honey method acting Lady Gaga. We need you
Speaker 1: to be in one piece. We can't have you driving
Speaker 1: yourself crazy for nine months pretending you're an Italian woman
Speaker 1: for a house of Gucci, which, by the way, I'm
Speaker 1: seeing tonight very excited. Do not drive yourself crazy to go.
Speaker 1: I got you are already crazy enough. You are just
Speaker 1: crazy enough that we love you. We don't need you
Speaker 1: going off the deep. And as you said in Shower,
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey, method acting girl. I want
Speaker 1: to talk to you on set. I don't want to
Speaker 1: talk to Mr Magoo. I don't think so honey. And
Speaker 1: that's one minute Vera. I'm just saying, like if I
Speaker 1: was as an actor on set and someone was in
Speaker 1: character the whole time, like I'm looking at them side
Speaker 1: ied because it's like you're not this person. Also, that's
Speaker 1: what acting is like. I think that everyone does what
Speaker 1: they need to do to give a good performance, but
Speaker 1: when it comes to you not bathing for weeks, I'm like,
Speaker 1: you're not thinking about other people. This is narcissism, ego maniacal.
Speaker 1: You're only thinking about yourself to to sort of like
Speaker 1: destroy the boundary between like what you're doing on a
Speaker 1: set and what you're doing at home. That I feel
Speaker 1: like that is slightly dangerous because like, how are I'm
Speaker 1: just thinking about like Daniel day Lewis being like Abraham
Speaker 1: Lincoln while he's like chilling on the couch, Like it's
Speaker 1: like how how is able? How is a Lincoln? That
Speaker 1: is like the most egregious example to me. I'm like,
Speaker 1: how does that work like for you as a human
Speaker 1: being to like process through your your gray matter? Like
Speaker 1: how are you doing that? Like there's there's something damaging
Speaker 1: about that? Potentially. Here's here's the funny thing, Daniel dy Lewis,
Speaker 1: if you go at home and you're Abraham Lincoln, how
Speaker 1: does Abraham Lincoln negotiate a microwave? How does Abraham Abraham
Speaker 1: Lincoln work the Apple TV? So don't pretend like you're
Speaker 1: Ableham Lincoln. Unless he actually went to go live in
Speaker 1: a cottage, which I'm not pling it against the girl.
Speaker 1: Probably she did go live in a cottage with a
Speaker 1: lantern or whatever. But also Abraham Lincoln lived in the
Speaker 1: White House. You can't possibly do that a mess. Everything
Speaker 1: about it is just all over the place. I don't
Speaker 1: understand it. And Lady Gaga literally in all her interviews
Speaker 1: and she's doing she's on quite the press tour for
Speaker 1: a House of Gucci right now. It's like I lived
Speaker 1: as her for nine months and I almost broke and
Speaker 1: when I went home, I never real character And I'm
Speaker 1: just like to be a fly on the wall while
Speaker 1: she walks around her apartment like as this woman, Like
Speaker 1: what does that even mean? Like in your quiet moments,
Speaker 1: are you losing your mind? I would go crazy, And
Speaker 1: I'm just like, I can't get past the bathing thing,
Speaker 1: like because then you're just not thinking about your colleagues
Speaker 1: and you become someone who I would go to hr about,
Speaker 1: to be honest. But but the entertainment industry gets away
Speaker 1: with murder because we cater to these egos. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: I heard the performances great, and I can't wait to
Speaker 1: see the movie, so we love it, um bowen, I
Speaker 1: iconically don't know where my phone is, Okay, so it
Speaker 1: is your time to do I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: and I will I will time you from here, but
Speaker 1: so you go, this is Bowen Yang's I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: His time starts now. I don't think so, honey, Les
Speaker 1: Moon Vez. If you do watch this Jane Jackson documentary,
Speaker 1: they make the case very convincingly that the whole fall out,
Speaker 1: the whole reason why her career was sort of created,
Speaker 1: was because of him, because he was so egomaniacal to
Speaker 1: demand an apology from her for what happened, for all
Speaker 1: these FEC finds whatever. The FEC chairman ten years and
Speaker 1: two thousand and fourteen said, the reaction was overblown and
Speaker 1: for for less moon Best to be the person who
Speaker 1: took a hammer to Janet Jackson's career and destroyed it,
Speaker 1: just shattered. It is unforgivable to me, just as unforgivable.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to make this compared to to to
Speaker 1: quantify this, but as unforgivable as all the sexual assaults
Speaker 1: that he's sort of toxically poisoned the culture at CBS
Speaker 1: with um what a small small man, Julie ted Moonvez
Speaker 1: standing by his husband, her husband. You're so so so awful,
Speaker 1: just to true true, like simping for the white man.
Speaker 1: You're you're You're shamed, you You're you're truly I'm ashamed
Speaker 1: for you as an Asian person. Do you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying? And that I went seconds, one minute and
Speaker 1: ten seconds. But you know what got a little cons
Speaker 1: whenever Julie Chen Muvez, we have the opportunity to roast her.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm on you know we're roasting her. And
Speaker 1: I say this as a Viacom's CDs employee, lesbian Vez.
Speaker 1: I mean, truly despicable human being, one of the most
Speaker 1: despicable human beings in the world, and luckily he's banished
Speaker 1: from society. And I guess Justin nimber League finally did
Speaker 1: offer that like limptic apology. Well, no, it's so funny
Speaker 1: and I just want to say they like they like
Speaker 1: put Justin's apology on uh you know, a text thing
Speaker 1: on the documentary, and it's so ironic that he says
Speaker 1: I want to apologie. Well this is what he said.
Speaker 1: I apologize to both Britney Spears and Janet Jackson individually.
Speaker 1: I mean that sentence doesn't make anyone, doesn't make any
Speaker 1: sense because what you've done is you've lumped them together,
Speaker 1: one together, perfect apologies. What are anyway. That's just my thought.
Speaker 1: We know when do you agree? Do agrees? Okay? Okay,
Speaker 1: well this this is gonna be a moment for a life.
Speaker 1: As Nicki Minaje one said, because when CEO is going
Speaker 1: to do and I don't think so, honey, do you
Speaker 1: have something in mind? I can go off the top
Speaker 1: of my head. I guess something. I want yea because
Speaker 1: you I mean because baby, okay, rehearsal, no rehearsal, need dead.
Speaker 1: This is we're going live. Dr weend steps. I don't
Speaker 1: think so many her time starts. Now. I'm really get
Speaker 1: antied of all of these celebrities who continue to go
Speaker 1: to space, like Michael straighthand like, why is your going
Speaker 1: to space? I am leaving for people to stop this.
Speaker 1: So my issue is this space is one of these
Speaker 1: things that should be discovered and looked at by other people.
Speaker 1: Why is the only people who are in the top
Speaker 1: tier of society they get to take their little remedy
Speaker 1: as on this rocket and go up. I want to
Speaker 1: go to the space. I think people want to go
Speaker 1: to space. People in Oregon want to go to space.
Speaker 1: Why don't we sign up for people to go to space?
Speaker 1: And we want everybody to get like their COVID vaccine
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Hello, yes, we want people to
Speaker 1: get the COVID see, but the same talk. In the
Speaker 1: same way you guys are forcing people to get their
Speaker 1: back seat, you should be having the same people signed
Speaker 1: up to go to space. If I get back seating
Speaker 1: a free trip to space, maybe that would work. If
Speaker 1: I get a booster, do I go to space? I
Speaker 1: don't think so funny? So do you guys allow us
Speaker 1: to go to space? I think that we should get something,
Speaker 1: maybe if we turkey, maybe something for Christmas. But what
Speaker 1: I do not like is these ragney as celebrities continue
Speaker 1: to go to space. No, herny oh that was the
Speaker 1: best of all time, Right they get to go to
Speaker 1: Why point of contention for me? You want to go
Speaker 1: to space? No? I don't. But I just want to
Speaker 1: know that other people beside these rich people can go
Speaker 1: to space. It's not fair when they go up do
Speaker 1: they get upon the goal and come back down and
Speaker 1: we don't know about it? Like? What is up there?
Speaker 1: Why do you there? What'sn't there? Wait? Michael Strahan wants
Speaker 1: to go. I miss going today. He's going to space? Right,
Speaker 1: come on, here's the thing. What did Michael Strahan do
Speaker 1: in the beginning of his career that qualified him to
Speaker 1: do all these other things, Like he's like a daytime host,
Speaker 1: he's going to space, he's doing okay and yes, okay,
Speaker 1: Well if anyone if eventually there might come a day
Speaker 1: where Dr Wendy would want to actually go to space
Speaker 1: and if and we just hope and pray that you
Speaker 1: have that access when that day comes. Because you dewife
Speaker 1: and on Lost Coach, first Housewife and it's more to
Speaker 1: my utility though I love it. Oh my god, I
Speaker 1: have to tell you this was so enjoyable. It was
Speaker 1: so great to get to know you a little bit
Speaker 1: better because we are, like we said, such fans on
Speaker 1: the show and everything that even though sometimes they edit
Speaker 1: it in a certain way, I just want to let's
Speaker 1: let you know, like it's coming across. You really do
Speaker 1: carry the light and we're big, big, big fans. Well,
Speaker 1: thank you so much. I'm for ever grateful to everyone
Speaker 1: who watches the show, and for ever grateful to you
Speaker 1: guys who just give me positivity because it is not
Speaker 1: something that is for the faith of heart, so you know,
Speaker 1: you slide it in my d M made my week.
Speaker 1: So thank you for being a light to us. I
Speaker 1: appreciate you, but Wendy True made my a week. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much for thank you. We do end every
Speaker 1: episode with a song, and it's gonna, it's gonna. What
Speaker 1: do you think, bro? Is it drive back? Don't you
Speaker 1: know you'll made me drink come yeah, even when I
Speaker 1: don't know why I picked her key, But that's that.
Speaker 1: There you go, that's a gay man dot Com by