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Speaker 1: conversations and people like, well, that's kind of weird that

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00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 1: you're having this, because even this season I had a

428
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 1: conversation with my mom during the photo shoot, and people

429
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,959
Speaker 1: were like, why she talking about this in from her

430
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 1: mom in from shoot? Because she can't kill me when

431
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 1: people are there. You were and she was perfect. But

432
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 1: you know, having having that conversation was really hard for

433
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 1: me because Bonus, you said, it's like for for for

434
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 1: me being the first gen, it's so hard because you're

435
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 1: straddling two worlds. And in my book Tears of My Mother,

436
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:51,640
Speaker 1: I talked about how first generations we often straddle two

437
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 1: worlds to the to the point that I propose that

438
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 1: we create a new name for the for the third

439
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,159
Speaker 1: world in a sense right that we are straddling because

440
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 1: one feat is here, another feat is here, but we

441
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: occupy that middle space and it's something that feel like

442
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,719
Speaker 1: only us No, And it was so hard for me,

443
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 1: And I clapped for you because at least you went

444
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 1: and chased your dreams I didn't start chasing my dreams

445
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 1: until I accomplished everything that she wanted me to, and

446
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,120
Speaker 1: part of that first step was actually doing the Royal

447
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:30,120
Speaker 1: Housewives because she couldn't say no because I've already been

448
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 1: a professor, I've already received my degrees, I've already been married,

449
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,919
Speaker 1: I've already had kids, and so it was hard for

450
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 1: her to say no because it's like, You've done what

451
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,680
Speaker 1: you need to do. And I think what's really important

452
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 1: that some people may not understand is I understand that

453
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 1: for everyone, your children are your pride, but for Nigerians

454
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:56,159
Speaker 1: in particular, your children filled the gap for what you

455
00:24:56,280 --> 00:25:01,160
Speaker 1: did accomplish, and so that's why they push it so hard.

456
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: Because for us, I have friends that their parents are,

457
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 1: their father are taxicab drivers, and for their father, that's okay,

458
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,360
Speaker 1: that that's all he achieved, but his child is now

459
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: a medical doctor, so you cannot look down on him

460
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 1: because of what his child has done. And it's really

461
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 1: a delicate balance because you know that your parents have

462
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 1: sacrificed so much for you to be here, but you

463
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: want to live your own life in the same breath,

464
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 1: you don't want to let them down because you know

465
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 1: that they didn't accomplish what they wanted to because they

466
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 1: sacrificed for you. And it's like this big mind. Oh

467
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:50,439
Speaker 1: my god, it's just so horrible. But I mean, I

468
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 1: don't have any you know, I don't have any beautiful

469
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 1: answers for it. I just know that that's a beautiful

470
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: conceptualization of it though. That's how people need. I mean,

471
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 1: I just hope that the next generation we as first

472
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:12,439
Speaker 1: gens for our children. We allowed them to dream. I

473
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 1: don't know if our parents allowed us to drink. And

474
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 1: if I could pass any gift to my kids, I

475
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: would say, you can dream, and you can dream thing.

476
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: You know. I will also say you have the most

477
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 1: beautiful children every time, every time, every time, you and

478
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 1: I just it really is. They have such good energy,

479
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,719
Speaker 1: they seem like such happy kids. And obviously your husband

480
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 1: is like a fan favorite. At this point, I mean,

481
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: we stand Eddie in this house and say that wait,

482
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: let me see, let me be aduilding mom. So yesterday

483
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: Eddie and I went to parent teacher conference for Carter

484
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 1: and Cruz and we went to Cameron's last week and

485
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: their teacher for Cardon, they said, you know, your sons

486
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: are so compassionate whenever they have a child struggling, you know,

487
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: Carter with his teacher said he's the first one to help,

488
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 1: and the Cruises teacher said he's the first one to help.

489
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 1: To the point that Cruz was out last week and

490
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 1: the kid that he walks to the bus to make

491
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 1: sure his frankness. The bus missed the bus because Cruz

492
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 1: wasn't there, and the teacher's like, oh my god, for god,

493
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: Cruis didn't come to school to day, so this kid

494
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,959
Speaker 1: missed the bus. The reason I'm telling the story is

495
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: here I am and my hoodie and and leggings at

496
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: this meeting, crying like a baby because I'm like my kids,

497
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: you know, even my daughter, they said the same thing.

498
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 1: I'm like, the one adjective that everyone has used to

499
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 1: describe my kids as compassion. And I was like, and

500
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: I am such a bit. I'm crying because I'm like

501
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: I want to be because they have this train and

502
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: I don't know why I don't have it. And I'm

503
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 1: literally and Eddie's looking at me like literally he faces

504
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,479
Speaker 1: like this he's look and the conference that he's like,

505
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: it's not about you get yourself together. In that moment,

506
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: I was just like, oh my gosh, like you know,

507
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: because at the core of this, I want my kids

508
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: to be successful. Yes, yes, yes, but I just want

509
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 1: to make good human beings. And to hear that, I

510
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 1: was just like, oh my god, how then my parents

511
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: failed me? I'm not but they did not, But I do.

512
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: I do want to ask, though, because whenever we have

513
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: people that have been on reality television on the podcast,

514
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: and we have had a few, one of the most

515
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: fascinating questions I think, and everyone always gives a different answer,

516
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: is when you see yourself edited to and depicted as

517
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: a character, And oh my god, I can already tell

518
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: it has to be such a mind fuck because you know,

519
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: even like when Bone and I see ourselves on television

520
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: playing characters, it's weird. And then when you see yourself

521
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: as yourself, but it's also filtered through this you know

522
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: need that the producers and editors have to make you

523
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: into a part of the narrative. I want to know

524
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: what your experience is with that and how much you

525
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: recognize yourself. Oh my gosh, I can cry answering this question,

526
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: and I don't know why, because I feel like, oh gosh,

527
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: that's such a you know, and you know, the saying

528
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: check on your strong friend. So you you don't know it,

529
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: but like that's like you check it in because it's

530
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: like no seriously, because you know you play. We're on

531
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,479
Speaker 1: this show, and everything we say we said it by

532
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: Everything has contexts, And I feel like the viewers sometimes

533
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: they're not privy to the context or things are cut

534
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: and spliced, and so even if it was said in

535
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: one way, now it's a whole another way. So when

536
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: I see myself, I feel like, you guys see the

537
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: worst version of me. Oh, it's who I am because

538
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: I said those things. But that's not all I am.

539
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: That's that's that's the piece, you know, Like if you

540
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: see me telling someone, hey, don't don't talk about my family, yes,

541
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: that's one piece, but the larger pieces because I am

542
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: this mom who goes to PTA meetings and I care

543
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: about my kids being compassionate and we do homework together

544
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: and I just want to make sure they're okay. And

545
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: so when you talk about my family, you were touching

546
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: my achilles heell, because the only thing in the world

547
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: that can break me is my family. But you don't

548
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: get that piece. You don't get that story, that that backstory,

549
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, But I feel like if we're talking

550
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: specifically about the Williamsburg moment, Matt and Matt, so Matt

551
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: was in town, Um, this is one of the this

552
00:30:58,200 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: is one of the few episodes where Matt and I

553
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: watched together season and and that episode, I mean I

554
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: had hills. I mean, Matt, you remember, like I I

555
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: held my breath that entire ten minutes span or whatever,

556
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: and like by the end, like you and I were

557
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: like on our feet just applauding, clapping for Wendy. Were

558
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: you essentially you booked seasonne? I mean, it's cemented the

559
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: legend because because and as as fans, of course, we

560
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: want to see Gazelle and Robin get dragged because I mean,

561
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: you know, as fans and also saying this, you know,

562
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: with compassion for them as the full and they are,

563
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: knowing that they're playing their roles. But I think that

564
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: it would be disingenuous for any fan of the show

565
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: to watch that and feel like like that was responsible

566
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: of them to do because and now to see them play,

567
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: you know, and not to get too too much into

568
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: the narrative of the season, because people can watch the

569
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: reunion for that. But I think it is really obtuse

570
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: for them to not recognize what they've done when they

571
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: bring something like that narrative onto the show, which, as

572
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: you said, goes from being known by hundreds of people

573
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: to millions, because, as you've been saying, your family, as

574
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: they grow older, can now recognize that this was a

575
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: narrative on the show when it had absolutely no basis

576
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: in truth. And so it is a lack of respect

577
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: for you, and you as a mama bear and as

578
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: someone who's a proud person and and like a lover

579
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: of your husband, like of course you're going to go

580
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: all the way in. And so yes, we appreciate that

581
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: moment because we love to see Giselle get dragged for

582
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: her foolishness and Ashley, you know, be exposed as the

583
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: henchman that she is on the show. But also like,

584
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: I want you to know that we are hundred percent

585
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: at least we bowen and I know where that comes from,

586
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: rooted in what you've been saying. Yeah, I think, yeah, well,

587
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: thank you guys. I appreciate that so much. You know,

588
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: it's we we sign up at this show and we

589
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: don't we know what comes with it. We get it.

590
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: We understand it. But what I realized last year at

591
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: the end of last year is you have to know

592
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: who you are when you come on this platform, because

593
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: if you don't, you will have millions of people telling

594
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: you who you are. So you have to know who

595
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: you are, because when I tell you, people will tell

596
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: you know, this is who you are, and for some

597
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: people they start to believe it. So I am very

598
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: I hold very close to my family and the people

599
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: who don't win and the people who know me because

600
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: when I say that I am, you know, Eddie will

601
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: tell you I'm the biggest softie ever. Um. And it's

602
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: so funny because I was watching the reunion, I guess

603
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: new narrative they're trying to play is that I control him.

604
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's a new narrative because they have him

605
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: air certain the questions and like quick bites. But he

606
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: literally gave gave a whole dissertation, and then at the

607
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: very end Andy asked me a question like, so when

608
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: you wather your final thoughts on this, I said it,

609
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: But then they played that in the way that I

610
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: cut him off and I spoke for him. In the

611
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,280
Speaker 1: whole world is saying, well, why don't you let him speak,

612
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: why would you cut him off? I didn't. I was

613
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 1: asked the question. I was asked the question, but you

614
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 1: didn't see that. So it's it's it's those moments that

615
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: you're just like, yeah, let me change the damn channel.

616
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: I know. Yeah, Well, there's no way that it's not

617
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: completely dissociated for you to watch yourself completely like reshuffled, spliced,

618
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: like assembled differently literally in like this real way. And

619
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 1: I think that with what you were saying earlier, like

620
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: I bring up me and Matt watching it together because

621
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: I think there are a lot of viewers who are

622
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: watching a moment like that and thinking, oh no, I

623
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,919
Speaker 1: do actually see the nuance behind this moment, that there

624
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: is more to it than even this something so a

625
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 1: emotional and big and there's obviously conflict here, but like

626
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: I think there there's this implicit understanding of like what

627
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: was going on? What was that play? Like I I

628
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 1: completely understood where you were coming from personally, um, and

629
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like you've done a very

630
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: remarkable job of like presenting the totality of yourself, even

631
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: though there's no way for a show like this to

632
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: represent that, like on your behalf and the best way.

633
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: I feel like you do bring all of yourself to

634
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: the show, which is why I love you, which is

635
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: why I've gone on record to say that you're my

636
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: favorite housewife. Don't I appreciate that? Oh, I really appreciate that.

637
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: You know. I think that for all of us, we

638
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,720
Speaker 1: come into this and we just you know, the hope

639
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: is just to bury your soul. And what Eddie was

640
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: telling me, because he's my therapist, UM told me you

641
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: have to be an authentic self. But with that you

642
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: also have to know that people digest you how they

643
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 1: want to, and you can be mad at how someone

644
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: digests you. And that has stuck with me. And you know,

645
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: I am just moving with the adage is better to

646
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: be hated for who I am the love for who

647
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: I'm not. So this is me and you love it.

648
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: Thank you. If this is me and you hate it,

649
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. But at least I'm giving you who I

650
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 1: really am. I don't know, don't apologize for Yeah, I

651
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: feel like, um, you really are you? You do elevate

652
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 1: the show, and I would say like, um, obviously. Next

653
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: week is the last episode of the Reunion at the

654
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: end of this season, and it is hosted by Nicki Minaj.

655
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: So before we asked, before we asked the question of

656
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 1: what was the culture that make you say culture is

657
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: for you, I want to know if you can tell

658
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 1: us a little bit about the experience of being at

659
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: a reunion hosted by Nicki Minaj, and if you can

660
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: tease how it went at all, or just just explain

661
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: what it's like to be in the presence of Oh

662
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: my gosh. So I I was just so taken aback

663
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: because it's it's it's layered. It is layered because first,

664
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 1: it's okay, Nicki Minaj is hosting the reunion, that in

665
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: itself was like, whoa. The second piece is Nicki Minaj

666
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: watches your show. So it's it's it's really so many

667
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: pieces to it. But once I found out that Nicki

668
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: Minaj was going to be the guest, it was in

669
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: that moment that you guys see the preview, because she

670
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 1: started out by sending us a video saying I can't

671
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: make it, but I love you guys. I was like,

672
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: oh and world, we bought that, And I was completely okay,

673
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: and I was honored by because I'm like, she did

674
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: a video first, this is great. Let's move on, let's

675
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: get to the questions. Oh my god, that's amazing. But

676
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: if but I'll be lying to you if I didn't

677
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: feel like something was up. I started to feel like

678
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: something was up after our first break. I don't know

679
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 1: what it is. I blame everything on my mommy's senses,

680
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: like I know my child could be upstairs. I'm like,

681
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: Carter is doing something bad. I don't know why. I

682
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: just feel it. And I was like, I turned to

683
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,879
Speaker 1: canvas and I was like, I think making minajes here.

684
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: She said what, No, I don't think that. I said,

685
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: something is going on, and I don't know. And so

686
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: when Andy said the whole thing about I think I

687
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: need a drink, I was like, she is here, and

688
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: it was such an amazing moment, and just let the

689
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 1: record show. You're gonna see at the very end something happens.

690
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: But I just know that the bottle that she's holding

691
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: when she walks in is now in my collection of alcohol.

692
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: I can't tell my kids. I I snagged that sucker.

693
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,919
Speaker 1: I was like, none of you get this. I think

694
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: I think everyone was so caught up taking pictures with her.

695
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: I was like, no, no, no, no no, no, no no.

696
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,760
Speaker 1: The bottle way she walks, and she says, I'm here, bitches,

697
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: that bitches, and we do something with that bottle. That

698
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 1: bottle is still in my house. You were not that

699
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: is coming to the house. Hope for all of my

700
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: pain the season that I have explained, that is my

701
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 1: token reward, and she really goes in on people what

702
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: I have I have never felt. So it's like it's

703
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: I it's almost like you're so I went almost close

704
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: to last, and it's like you're watching someone push your

705
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 1: friends off a cliff, carrying your friends stream as they

706
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:57,720
Speaker 1: go down, and in your head you're saying, I'm next,

707
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: I'm next. So the rust Squatch starts where Ashley and

708
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: you see Me and Carrot hold each other because we're like,

709
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 1: oh my god. And so in that moment we all

710
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 1: realize she is going to reload and it will be

711
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: your turn soon. It was so chaotic, it was so

712
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: chao Oh my god. You can tell that even in

713
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: the I don't know if it was the preview for

714
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 1: the episode or something for next week, but like, Nia

715
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: is completely thrown and I'm like, if you can like

716
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: a thrown off a cliffs, as Wendy says. Now, Wendy

717
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: we have to ask you the question that we ask

718
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: all of our lost culture is disgust, which is what

719
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,959
Speaker 1: was the culture that made you say culture is for you? Bowen?

720
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 1: Can you explain more in detail, this is the sort

721
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: of formative foundational pop culture or that kind of set

722
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 1: you off, That was the seed crystal that blossomed into

723
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 1: this beautiful lattice of culture in your life. Oh man? Okay,

724
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: So can I pick more than one? Yes? So too?

725
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: Oh man, I have so many. Okay, so I'll do

726
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 1: movie and music. Okay, perfect for movie. I you know,

727
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: I'm a child of an immigrant and I have an

728
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 1: older sister, and so why say that While my mom

729
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 1: was working it was me and my sister. We often

730
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:36,280
Speaker 1: turned to movies to tell us what life could be

731
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: if my mom worked hard enough. And Clueless that's my

732
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: favorite movie. Yeah, I just I just watched it the

733
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 1: other day because I watched it once a month. Clueless

734
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: change in my life. And once I saw that, I

735
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: saw all how the other side of the world lives

736
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: for us. You know, we were living in a two

737
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: bedroom apartment and to see these kids, and to see

738
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 1: her go to her closet and push a button and

739
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: her clothes rotated. I was like, this is amazing and

740
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: it never left me and I was like, this is

741
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 1: this is it? That movie as well as um gosh,

742
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: I know the song top that Top that I don't

743
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: really give about topping that? What song is that about?

744
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: The girl who the tea? What is it? What is it?

745
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: What is it is? Wich? That was my listen that

746
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 1: movie and The Boy Who Could Fly? Those were like

747
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: my nineties, like, oh, okay, honestly coolest you know what

748
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: it was? I was, I was we were obviously we're

749
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 1: all young when that first came out, but just remember

750
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: the image of Alicia Silverstone in that Jean Paul Guttier

751
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: like like like plaid ensemble that she had picked out

752
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: in her computer, and then her walking down and then

753
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 1: Dion Stacy dash in that like hat, you know, them

754
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: walking down and just um talking to each other this way,

755
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 1: and then you know, as if like the whole thing

756
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: is like it was. It felt like it was just

757
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: I didn't know why, but it hit me right in

758
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: my like yeah, I don't I don't know what it was,

759
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 1: but I was like I need to know everything. It

760
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: was so it was so much, you know, it's this timeless.

761
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: It created this very timeless fantasy. I mean, you know,

762
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: it's Jane Austin or whatever, but like it's still this

763
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: but the image of going to that high school and

764
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: dressing up that way and like driving through the palm trees,

765
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: like I just like that is so indelible to everybody,

766
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: I think, especially people of our age. You know, like

767
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 1: what a huge movie now that was. That was huge.

768
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: That was major. And and thank you to the casting

769
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: for making Gone right, for making Dion a woman of color,

770
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: because too often those movies existed, like you know, you

771
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: can have you know, the Breakfast Club like those movies,

772
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: but we didn't, I didn't have representation. But to see Dion,

773
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: you know in that movie, to see Stacy Dash, it

774
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: was like, oh wow, this is And also you know,

775
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: the thing about Dion and Clueless is yes, she is

776
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,879
Speaker 1: the best friend character, but she also has her own arc.

777
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: In fact, we actually know more about Dion's romantic life

778
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: then we do Shares. And also you know, she has

779
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: experiences that Share doesn't have. You know, you get that

780
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: Share like takes a lot of cues from her and

781
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: from her relationship with Murray played by Donald Faison. And

782
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: also it's just they have this entire thing going on,

783
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: and it's it's not just the stock best friend, which,

784
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 1: of course, as we know, people of color and queer

785
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: people often are just the appendage. But that was not

786
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: the case with this movie. And it's just it is

787
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: ahead of its time, and it it Actually it's important

788
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,720
Speaker 1: for people growing up to see it, because then they recognize,

789
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: like a diverse group of friends is not just like

790
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: you know its it exists. It's out there. And I

791
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: just thought, especially at an affluent school, like that representation

792
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 1: too is just it had to mean a lot. It

793
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: meant a lot, and for for me and my thirties,

794
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: the fact that it still sticks with me as a

795
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: testament to how much it does mean and how much

796
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 1: it did me. You know. So yeah, so my music, yes, okay,

797
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: so I have to. The first would be Little Kim's

798
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: crush on You video when she switched her freaking way

799
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: I'm from red to yellow to blue to green, and

800
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 1: she had those contacts in her eyes. Let me tell you,

801
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: I was in the seventh grade and I said, I

802
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 1: don't want to wear glasses anymore, and my mom's, okay,

803
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: you need contacts. I got the same colored contacts as

804
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: her at one of them up until college when I

805
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: finally said okay, enough was enough. Up until college because

806
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: of her, she literally changed how I viewed fashion, how

807
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: I viewed sexuality. She just how she just dominated. In

808
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: that five minute video, I said, this is this is it? Alright.

809
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: Second Britney Spears. I loved Britney Spears song. Um, I

810
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: think it's I'm a Slave for You, where she had

811
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:59,720
Speaker 1: the yellow python and she had the jeans below her waist,

812
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: and then and then she did baby Baby that moved

813
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,879
Speaker 1: the culture, That moved the culture from me in so

814
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:12,919
Speaker 1: many ways, because it's just something about these women who

815
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 1: just are so sure and so confident about themselves and

816
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: just the way in which they are showing the world

817
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: that I'm owning this space. It's just, oh my gosh,

818
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: that those are fantastic answers. Have any have any of

819
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: you guys seen the Janet Jackson documentary that just came

820
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: out through the New York Times? Is that the one

821
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: that explores the thing with her and justined, Okay, yeah,

822
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: but basically, like everyone is sort of the setup of

823
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 1: it all is just like talking about Janet's career up

824
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:50,280
Speaker 1: until the shift when I think, um, it was Control

825
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: was the album where like things like before that, like

826
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 1: her first two albums were very sort of like fulfilling

827
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: the Joe Jackson like you know, thing of like Okay,

828
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 1: it's wholesome, it's you know, it should appeal to all people.

829
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: And then Control was when she started to like own

830
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: her sexuality. And that's when the culture did not know

831
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,720
Speaker 1: what to do with this black woman who was owning

832
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: her her physicality this way. And I mean talk about

833
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: like Little Kim like sort of doing that completely in

834
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 1: this revolutionary way herself. But with the Janet, it was

835
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: just this thing of like okay, and so of course

836
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: society is going to pile onto this woman for doing

837
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: something that falls out of line with what they value,

838
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 1: and so of course they're going to side with this

839
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 1: man who profits off proximity to black culture and all

840
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: this stuff highly recommended. But I mean, both Little Kim

841
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 1: and Britney Spears, I think fantastic answers and sort of

842
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: like all and I'm just I was just sort of

843
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: fresh off watching this documentary. I'm like, there's something about

844
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: that time in the culture. I know, we we all

845
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: talked about like early ots like impactful whatever. But like,

846
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: little Kim is so major on so many levels, and

847
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 1: I still don't think we've processed the impact. We don't

848
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: give her her flowers. Little Kim is why we're able.

849
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: You don't bowe, and you and I were having this

850
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: conversation of us occupying this space and people looking at

851
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: us and not knowing what to do with us. Little

852
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: Kim is why you're able to digest Cardi b Little

853
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: Kim is why you're able to digest Nicki Minaje. That

854
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:32,959
Speaker 1: is she she kicked that door open, and a lot

855
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:38,879
Speaker 1: of these women literally oh their entire image to her

856
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 1: because there was never a time before that women would wrap,

857
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: but they were They felt they had to wear men's clothing,

858
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,479
Speaker 1: like the Queen Latifa's of the world, the empty lights

859
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: of the world. They came before her, But Little Kim

860
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 1: was the first one to say, I can wrap about

861
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 1: this stuff that you know, may seem gangster to some people,

862
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: but I can do it. Wh I'll be in sexy

863
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: that's never been done before. So hats off to her.

864
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: Sometimes I just sit and listen to how many licks,

865
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: and I just like let it happen to me, And

866
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: I just like because she's she's going in so hard

867
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: and it's like you don't think she can heighten it.

868
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: But the whole song is this build and it just

869
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:24,399
Speaker 1: gets even more. And also that chorus that you get

870
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: to listen and I'm just like, the whole thing is

871
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 1: driving and it's just taking you to Mars. I am

872
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 1: obsessed and you're you're right because you know it's it's

873
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,959
Speaker 1: it's funny that you say Britney spears and also little

874
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,359
Speaker 1: Kim and in a way, you know, looking at these

875
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 1: girls and clueless who you know, we're confident and own themselves.

876
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: It seems like and sometimes I think like the things

877
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 1: that are most important to us are the things that

878
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 1: we need the most. So you, as a young person,

879
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: was what was the relationship to like I don't know

880
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: what it is in the culture with your mother, what

881
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 1: was their education Aasian relationship to sexuality? Like was it

882
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 1: something that you found yourself learning more from outside of

883
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,720
Speaker 1: of that or like what was that relationship I learned?

884
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 1: I we had my mom and I had conversations about

885
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: what happens to a woman's body as she matures, what

886
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: happens if you do have sex? Like what you know,

887
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: what the result of that is, but as far as

888
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 1: my own sexuality, that's something that I had to look

889
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: to the media for. It wasn't conversations that were that open.

890
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 1: And that's why when you guys see me in season six,

891
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: it's me be liberated too. We started filming the second

892
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: week of February and I had my surgery the end

893
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,760
Speaker 1: of January, I believe. So you guys are seeing someone

894
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 1: who just got this new body and she's like yes.

895
00:51:54,560 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: And sexuality is something that oftentimes is quailed Nigerian society,

896
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: especially for females. It doesn't happen as rampant, but they

897
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: still have female you know, general mutilation in Nigeria when

898
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 1: only men should enjoy the spoils of sexuality and women shouldn't.

899
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: So it's like this sense of ownership. And I feel

900
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: like I peaked late in life because my friends, I

901
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: feel like they understood it when they were younger, when

902
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 1: they were in their twenties, and I'm just getting into it.

903
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, yes, I'm loving this, and I'm like

904
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: I'm like ten years late here, guys, but whatever, because

905
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: I think I think as as as gay men too,

906
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,399
Speaker 1: like when you look at especially when we were growing

907
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 1: up and this is why I think it's great that

908
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 1: there is so much more representation. I mean, it matters

909
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: in every sense because I mean as a gay man,

910
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: I'll just say it, like, you don't really figure out

911
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 1: how to have sex until you're in your mid to

912
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: late twenties. Our generation away, Like at least that's how

913
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 1: I can speak for myself. I was unsure of that

914
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 1: because we really didn't. Yes, we had sex education, but

915
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: it was entirely focused on the heterosexual point of view.

916
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 1: I mean, there was no there was absolutely no education.

917
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: You know. Our friend John Early has a joke, I'm

918
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 1: in a butcher, But it's like, I think in high

919
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 1: school I could have benefited from less trigonometry and more

920
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: how to use my butt for sex. Like and it's

921
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 1: just like and it's like I identify with that because

922
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: because we were just kind of like thrown to the wolves, Like,

923
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 1: how are you exactly going to learn not just about

924
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: the mechanics, but about the specifics and the nuances of

925
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 1: sexuality if you don't have anyone telling you because either

926
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 1: they don't know or it feels taboo, you know what

927
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 1: I mean. I love that, and I think that that's

928
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: so important for you to say to me as a

929
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 1: heterosexual woman, because so many times I'm in these spaces

930
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: and we have conversations about diversity, and I just think

931
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 1: that and I often say this in my meetings. I

932
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 1: feel like we put so much emphasis on racial diversity

933
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: or gender diversity, but we need to understand what it

934
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: means for people who come from different backgrounds all over

935
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:14,959
Speaker 1: and how we're educating them, because like, I never thought

936
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 1: of that. I never thought of sexual education and how

937
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: that looks at it through one lens, Like I would

938
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: have never thought about that, And what does that mean

939
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 1: for for people who are trying to reconcile, Like I

940
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,479
Speaker 1: was like, what does sex look like? And for you guys,

941
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: he didn't even have anything, and that breaks my heart.

942
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, I promise you. They were talking.

943
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 1: It's funny because they were talking about it on the

944
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 1: reel like it was a topic on the reel. It

945
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:46,439
Speaker 1: was like one of the hot topics they were saying,

946
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: Like they were discussing whether or not anal sex should

947
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 1: be taught during sex education, and a couple of the

948
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,439
Speaker 1: hosts were like, this is too much, Like I don't

949
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: want my child like this feels like a little extra

950
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 1: and I feel like there wasn't a voice saying, well,

951
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: remember that is that is actually how some people have

952
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 1: sex and they don't have another option. So that's just

953
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: a different perspective I think to look at it, like,

954
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 1: of course, like if I'm a heterosexual person with heterosexual

955
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: children and I think, you know, but sex, I'm like, okay, wait,

956
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,760
Speaker 1: maybe I'm hesitant, but I do think it's important to voice.

957
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,240
Speaker 1: And that's why I think it is. It's it's actually

958
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 1: crucial to have more representation in terms of like the

959
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:33,800
Speaker 1: voices teaching, you know, just acknowledging the spectrum of sexuality

960
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 1: amongst everyone and like radically changing the way that we

961
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 1: speak to each other and respecting each other's sexual identities, um,

962
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 1: gender identities, et cetera. Because it's not monolithic. And I

963
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 1: think that we need to be more respectful, definitely, but

964
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 1: absolutely at the baseline, just more aware and more like

965
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 1: as you said before, compassionate about what people need. Dr

966
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: Matt correctly. I just think until like we get there

967
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 1: in terms of the educational aspect of it, Like I

968
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 1: think what Wendy's saying is very after where it's like

969
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 1: you are, only a lot of people are getting their

970
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 1: sexual sort of context from the media and that's okay,

971
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 1: and there's I mean, now it's got I mean, the

972
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:28,359
Speaker 1: documentary talks about how even now, like you know, we've

973
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,720
Speaker 1: gotten much better about empowering women to have to to

974
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 1: to be sexually sort of liberated in media, but like

975
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 1: that's sort of the only way a lot of people

976
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: like figure it out because there's nothing a textbook can

977
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 1: teach you about, you know, only having some ownership or

978
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,800
Speaker 1: you know, autonomy in that no matter what you're gendero is,

979
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: no matter what kind of sex you have, Like I

980
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: feel like you might as well watch someone I don't know,

981
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 1: like let's just say little Kim like have her tid

982
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: out at an award show and be like, well, that's

983
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,800
Speaker 1: that's pretty crazy and cool, Like let me try to

984
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 1: explore that part of myself. I don't know. It is

985
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 1: important though, that while I think it's it's not necessarily

986
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 1: destructive or or any other way one way or the other,

987
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: that people get their you know, representation of sexuality in

988
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 1: the media. I think that's really why it's important that

989
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 1: that representation be responsible and also be be holistic, you

990
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Because because I do think that

991
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 1: it's different for women and men. You know what I

992
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 1: mean for a woman to say, I'm going to step

993
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 1: out like and this is going to be the way

994
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 1: I represent myself. Like, I think that we just have

995
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: to acknowledge the fact that, like the society treats and

996
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 1: we see it in the media, the way that these

997
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: women are treated and the way that you know, they

998
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 1: get disregarded, for example with Janet Like this is why

999
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 1: I think, actually it does matter that the textbooks change,

1000
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: It does matter that that it gets um addressed in schools.

1001
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: I think it's actually the response ability of people educating

1002
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 1: our young humans to have a more compassionate approach. Because

1003
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 1: you're talking about the media, Like, yes, I do think

1004
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: it can be empowering, as we're all talking about, but

1005
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 1: also the media is entertainment industry is a business, and

1006
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 1: these people, these like corporations and these people that put

1007
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: things together are not necessarily thinking, let me responsibly educate

1008
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 1: the young people that are going to watch this sexuality.

1009
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: So I think it does have to be a holistic approach. However,

1010
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: I think are these empowering figures, And I think as

1011
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 1: we move forward and as we see media change, it

1012
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 1: is getting more holistic and responsible. I mean, you don't

1013
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 1: turn on HBO now and every single show has rape.

1014
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 1: I mean at least as a conversation about like the

1015
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 1: fact that that needs to change. And um so I

1016
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: think we're getting better, but I do think it's important

1017
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 1: that education wise, we get more holistic, more respectful, and

1018
00:58:56,240 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 1: more informative in real ways. Absolutely, And just to you know,

1019
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 1: tree branch off of that. That's why at the reunion

1020
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 1: when Andy was, you know, saying, what surgery did I have?

1021
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 1: I informed him, but I also gave like a disclaimer.

1022
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 1: Women are dying from this, and it was really important

1023
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: for me to find a board certified surgeon because I

1024
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: know the power of this platform and I understand it

1025
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 1: and it's not lost on me. So I would never

1026
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 1: want someone to say, I want to do what Wendy did,

1027
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 1: but you know, maybe I want to cut costs. Well,

1028
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 1: I want to be very clear, people are dying. So

1029
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 1: if you're going to do it, go to a board

1030
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 1: certified surgeon. Because you know, I think that to what

1031
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 1: you're saying at media does have a sense of responsibility

1032
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 1: for it to be responsible what they are showing. And

1033
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 1: I definitely felt that in that moment and it's great

1034
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 1: that they showed you saying that too, because, as you said,

1035
00:59:56,400 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: they can cut around anything, because then I think you

1036
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 1: you probably would have been mortified to watch it, and

1037
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 1: had they not included that, there's a reason why you

1038
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 1: said it. Yeah. Thanks, I'm glad at least they including

1039
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 1: one thing I like, right, it must be so frustrating

1040
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: all but one one more thing we should commend you

1041
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 1: for before we move on to I don't think so,

1042
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 1: honey is I'm very glad they did also show you

1043
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 1: asking Ashley, do you think colorism exists in society? She

1044
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:25,439
Speaker 1: says yes? Do you think it exists within this friend group?

1045
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 1: She says no, Like that is the perfect way to

1046
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 1: sort of isolate her worldview on not her world view

1047
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 1: or her view on this show privilege that it. You

1048
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 1: really kind of honed in on that in a way

1049
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 1: that I think was fair to her. You were, you

1050
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 1: gave her an opportunity to clarify what she thought, and

1051
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 1: she's still she's still kind of talked her way out

1052
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 1: of this truth. And like Matt says this, I mean

1053
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 1: a lot of people say this, but each Housewives franchise

1054
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 1: is about a different thing in society. You know in

1055
01:00:56,800 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 1: New York it's about alcoholism, and you religious, well, they

1056
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 1: have there's a clear issue with with each thing. And

1057
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 1: I think that, okay, tell me what each one is

1058
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 1: real quick. I didn't know that well. I think that

1059
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:12,919
Speaker 1: the that's something that's very dark in the New York

1060
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 1: Housewives is they all seem to have a real dependency

1061
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 1: and they're grappling with alcohol abuse. I mean, I think

1062
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 1: that it's from the very beginning you've seen these women

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01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 1: change and they've all been through divorces and been through

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01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 1: hardship and different traumas, and I think that it's something

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01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 1: that threads them all. Is it gets really dark with alcohol.

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01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 1: And I think that that's probably the larger conversation that

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01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 1: needs to happen with Beverly Hills. I think, you know,

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01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 1: there's so much about the cracks in the China, but

1069
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 1: it's about appearing a certain way but really having um

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01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 1: really one thing go on. I mean, if you go

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01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 1: back to the first season, second season, like it's all

1072
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 1: about how one of the women is being abused physically

1073
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 1: to the point where she may she may die, and

1074
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 1: one it gets spoken out loud and then the show

1075
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 1: takes a turn and it's really about, like, you know,

1076
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 1: these women speak in their truth in a real way

1077
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 1: and not caring what people think. When I watch Potomac,

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01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 1: I think that there is there is an issue with colorism,

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01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 1: and I think that there there and I every time

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01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 1: it comes up on the show, I think, you know,

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01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 1: it's almost a shame that there can't be more of

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01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 1: a discussion about it, because I do think like me

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01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 1: as a viewer, and you know, I'm also very aware

1084
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 1: of the fact that I'm not the person to lead

1085
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 1: this discussion, but I do think it should be had.

1086
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 1: Is you know, um, I think that the darker skinned

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01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 1: women are treated differently than the lighter skinned women. And

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01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 1: for you to pose that question to Ashley and for

1089
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 1: her to shirk the responsibility, I think kind of says

1090
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 1: it all because what we're not acknowledging is even if

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01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 1: she feels she doesn't behave a certain way, she's not

1092
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 1: taking in the totality of what the experience of being

1093
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 1: on the show is, which is you guys deal with

1094
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 1: the viewers and how they treat you as well, and

1095
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 1: so you know, only you know that experience. But I

1096
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 1: do think that there is obviously a difference that's just

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01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 1: what I'll say, that's what I never And first of all,

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01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 1: thank you that was so well put. Um, But I A,

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01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 1: I didn't know that other people noticed it. Like I

1100
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 1: know that there's a subsection of people who noticed that.

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01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 1: I didn't know that all the viewers and if I'm

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01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 1: being very candid, viewers that are not black noticed yes. Yes,

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01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 1: And so that's very interesting to me that you have

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01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 1: said that, because we just thought that it's something within

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01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 1: black culture that we know of, because we have dealt

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01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 1: with it our whole lives versus everyone who sees it

1107
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 1: and they're like, no, there's colorism at play here. So wow, Wow,

1108
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:51,440
Speaker 1: it did take it coming up on the show, and

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01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:54,840
Speaker 1: like there are I do. I One of my favorite recappers,

1110
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 1: just Brooke Ashley, and she she's on YouTube and she

1111
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 1: talks about the show and she makes it a point

1112
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 1: and she's so frustrated with it that, you know what

1113
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 1: stops her from enjoying the show often, um, which is

1114
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 1: a shame. But the fact is, like when I see

1115
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 1: them get on Canvas and they don't get on Ashley

1116
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 1: the same way, and they don't get on you know

1117
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 1: the way that Giselle and Robin can sometimes be the

1118
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 1: same way. You can't help but notice that that's all

1119
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 1: I'll say, you know what I mean, Wow, fascinating. We'll

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Speaker 1: just we'll just leave it at that. Uh, we live

1121
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:43,439
Speaker 1: it at that and everyone can think about it. So

1122
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:48,680
Speaker 1: now moving into our iconic segment, I don't think so, honey,

1123
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 1: which is the cornerstone, the touchstone of lost culturess, where

1124
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 1: we take one minute to rant against something in culture,

1125
01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:00,439
Speaker 1: pop culture, whatever is grinding your gears because it needs

1126
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:05,440
Speaker 1: to be addressed correctly as it were. Um, I do

1127
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:09,959
Speaker 1: have I do have a topic. Okay, this is Matt

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01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 1: rodgerss I don't think so, honey. His time starts now.

1129
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. Method acting, girl, This is

1130
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:19,920
Speaker 1: this is a mess. So I'm reading reviews for the

1131
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 1: Power of the Dog, which is the new Jane Campion

1132
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 1: movie with Benn and decumber Batch and Kirsten duns and

1133
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 1: he says he did not bathe while he was I said,

1134
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 1: if you have to do that to get into character,

1135
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, that is not method acting.

1136
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 1: That does not make you a better actor, That makes

1137
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 1: you disgusting to be around, that makes you a health hazard,

1138
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 1: that makes you a safety concern that makes me if

1139
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:44,280
Speaker 1: I'm Kirsten Dunts very unasy. If I don't want to

1140
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:46,840
Speaker 1: be around you, if you smell like ass, I don't

1141
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 1: think so honey method acting Lady Gaga. We need you

1142
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 1: to be in one piece. We can't have you driving

1143
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 1: yourself crazy for nine months pretending you're an Italian woman

1144
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 1: for a house of Gucci, which, by the way, I'm

1145
01:05:55,560 --> 01:06:00,200
Speaker 1: seeing tonight very excited. Do not drive yourself crazy to go.

1146
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:02,400
Speaker 1: I got you are already crazy enough. You are just

1147
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 1: crazy enough that we love you. We don't need you

1148
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 1: going off the deep. And as you said in Shower,

1149
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:10,920
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey, method acting girl. I want

1150
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 1: to talk to you on set. I don't want to

1151
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:15,080
Speaker 1: talk to Mr Magoo. I don't think so honey. And

1152
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 1: that's one minute Vera. I'm just saying, like if I

1153
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 1: was as an actor on set and someone was in

1154
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 1: character the whole time, like I'm looking at them side

1155
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 1: ied because it's like you're not this person. Also, that's

1156
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:32,480
Speaker 1: what acting is like. I think that everyone does what

1157
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 1: they need to do to give a good performance, but

1158
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:39,480
Speaker 1: when it comes to you not bathing for weeks, I'm like,

1159
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:44,120
Speaker 1: you're not thinking about other people. This is narcissism, ego maniacal.

1160
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:48,440
Speaker 1: You're only thinking about yourself to to sort of like

1161
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:51,520
Speaker 1: destroy the boundary between like what you're doing on a

1162
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 1: set and what you're doing at home. That I feel

1163
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 1: like that is slightly dangerous because like, how are I'm

1164
01:06:57,760 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 1: just thinking about like Daniel day Lewis being like Abraham

1165
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:05,200
Speaker 1: Lincoln while he's like chilling on the couch, Like it's

1166
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 1: like how how is able? How is a Lincoln? That

1167
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 1: is like the most egregious example to me. I'm like,

1168
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 1: how does that work like for you as a human

1169
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:16,840
Speaker 1: being to like process through your your gray matter? Like

1170
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 1: how are you doing that? Like there's there's something damaging

1171
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 1: about that? Potentially. Here's here's the funny thing, Daniel dy Lewis,

1172
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 1: if you go at home and you're Abraham Lincoln, how

1173
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 1: does Abraham Lincoln negotiate a microwave? How does Abraham Abraham

1174
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 1: Lincoln work the Apple TV? So don't pretend like you're

1175
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 1: Ableham Lincoln. Unless he actually went to go live in

1176
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 1: a cottage, which I'm not pling it against the girl.

1177
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 1: Probably she did go live in a cottage with a

1178
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 1: lantern or whatever. But also Abraham Lincoln lived in the

1179
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 1: White House. You can't possibly do that a mess. Everything

1180
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 1: about it is just all over the place. I don't

1181
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 1: understand it. And Lady Gaga literally in all her interviews

1182
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 1: and she's doing she's on quite the press tour for

1183
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 1: a House of Gucci right now. It's like I lived

1184
01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:58,800
Speaker 1: as her for nine months and I almost broke and

1185
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:01,320
Speaker 1: when I went home, I never real character And I'm

1186
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 1: just like to be a fly on the wall while

1187
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 1: she walks around her apartment like as this woman, Like

1188
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:10,680
Speaker 1: what does that even mean? Like in your quiet moments,

1189
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 1: are you losing your mind? I would go crazy, And

1190
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:17,000
Speaker 1: I'm just like, I can't get past the bathing thing,

1191
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:20,160
Speaker 1: like because then you're just not thinking about your colleagues

1192
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:23,160
Speaker 1: and you become someone who I would go to hr about,

1193
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:27,000
Speaker 1: to be honest. But but the entertainment industry gets away

1194
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:29,960
Speaker 1: with murder because we cater to these egos. And I'm like,

1195
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:31,800
Speaker 1: I heard the performances great, and I can't wait to

1196
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:35,640
Speaker 1: see the movie, so we love it, um bowen, I

1197
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 1: iconically don't know where my phone is, Okay, so it

1198
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 1: is your time to do I don't think so, honey,

1199
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 1: and I will I will time you from here, but

1200
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:46,040
Speaker 1: so you go, this is Bowen Yang's I don't think so, honey.

1201
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:49,479
Speaker 1: His time starts now. I don't think so, honey, Les

1202
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:52,519
Speaker 1: Moon Vez. If you do watch this Jane Jackson documentary,

1203
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:55,720
Speaker 1: they make the case very convincingly that the whole fall out,

1204
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:58,679
Speaker 1: the whole reason why her career was sort of created,

1205
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 1: was because of him, because he was so egomaniacal to

1206
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:05,760
Speaker 1: demand an apology from her for what happened, for all

1207
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:10,439
Speaker 1: these FEC finds whatever. The FEC chairman ten years and

1208
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:13,800
Speaker 1: two thousand and fourteen said, the reaction was overblown and

1209
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:15,800
Speaker 1: for for less moon Best to be the person who

1210
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:19,920
Speaker 1: took a hammer to Janet Jackson's career and destroyed it,

1211
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:26,000
Speaker 1: just shattered. It is unforgivable to me, just as unforgivable.

1212
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 1: I'm not going to make this compared to to to

1213
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:31,400
Speaker 1: quantify this, but as unforgivable as all the sexual assaults

1214
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 1: that he's sort of toxically poisoned the culture at CBS

1215
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:40,080
Speaker 1: with um what a small small man, Julie ted Moonvez

1216
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:44,759
Speaker 1: standing by his husband, her husband. You're so so so awful,

1217
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:48,240
Speaker 1: just to true true, like simping for the white man.

1218
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:52,400
Speaker 1: You're you're You're shamed, you You're you're truly I'm ashamed

1219
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:55,080
Speaker 1: for you as an Asian person. Do you know what

1220
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:57,760
Speaker 1: I'm saying? And that I went seconds, one minute and

1221
01:09:57,760 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 1: ten seconds. But you know what got a little cons

1222
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:03,479
Speaker 1: whenever Julie Chen Muvez, we have the opportunity to roast her.

1223
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 1: You know, I'm on you know we're roasting her. And

1224
01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:10,799
Speaker 1: I say this as a Viacom's CDs employee, lesbian Vez.

1225
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 1: I mean, truly despicable human being, one of the most

1226
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 1: despicable human beings in the world, and luckily he's banished

1227
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 1: from society. And I guess Justin nimber League finally did

1228
01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 1: offer that like limptic apology. Well, no, it's so funny

1229
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:27,479
Speaker 1: and I just want to say they like they like

1230
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:31,599
Speaker 1: put Justin's apology on uh you know, a text thing

1231
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 1: on the documentary, and it's so ironic that he says

1232
01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 1: I want to apologie. Well this is what he said.

1233
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 1: I apologize to both Britney Spears and Janet Jackson individually.

1234
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:43,320
Speaker 1: I mean that sentence doesn't make anyone, doesn't make any

1235
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:45,519
Speaker 1: sense because what you've done is you've lumped them together,

1236
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:50,599
Speaker 1: one together, perfect apologies. What are anyway. That's just my thought.

1237
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:56,719
Speaker 1: We know when do you agree? Do agrees? Okay? Okay,

1238
01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:58,800
Speaker 1: well this this is gonna be a moment for a life.

1239
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:02,040
Speaker 1: As Nicki Minaje one said, because when CEO is going

1240
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 1: to do and I don't think so, honey, do you

1241
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:06,599
Speaker 1: have something in mind? I can go off the top

1242
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 1: of my head. I guess something. I want yea because

1243
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:17,599
Speaker 1: you I mean because baby, okay, rehearsal, no rehearsal, need dead.

1244
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:23,439
Speaker 1: This is we're going live. Dr weend steps. I don't

1245
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:25,479
Speaker 1: think so many her time starts. Now. I'm really get

1246
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 1: antied of all of these celebrities who continue to go

1247
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:30,439
Speaker 1: to space, like Michael straighthand like, why is your going

1248
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:33,479
Speaker 1: to space? I am leaving for people to stop this.

1249
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 1: So my issue is this space is one of these

1250
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:39,400
Speaker 1: things that should be discovered and looked at by other people.

1251
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:41,760
Speaker 1: Why is the only people who are in the top

1252
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:44,320
Speaker 1: tier of society they get to take their little remedy

1253
01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 1: as on this rocket and go up. I want to

1254
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 1: go to the space. I think people want to go

1255
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:51,160
Speaker 1: to space. People in Oregon want to go to space.

1256
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:53,479
Speaker 1: Why don't we sign up for people to go to space?

1257
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:56,799
Speaker 1: And we want everybody to get like their COVID vaccine

1258
01:11:56,840 --> 01:11:59,320
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Hello, yes, we want people to

1259
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 1: get the COVID see, but the same talk. In the

1260
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:02,680
Speaker 1: same way you guys are forcing people to get their

1261
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 1: back seat, you should be having the same people signed

1262
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:07,160
Speaker 1: up to go to space. If I get back seating

1263
01:12:07,479 --> 01:12:09,760
Speaker 1: a free trip to space, maybe that would work. If

1264
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:11,479
Speaker 1: I get a booster, do I go to space? I

1265
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 1: don't think so funny? So do you guys allow us

1266
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:18,519
Speaker 1: to go to space? I think that we should get something,

1267
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:21,479
Speaker 1: maybe if we turkey, maybe something for Christmas. But what

1268
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:24,360
Speaker 1: I do not like is these ragney as celebrities continue

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Speaker 1: to go to space. No, herny oh that was the

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Speaker 1: best of all time, Right they get to go to

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Speaker 1: Why point of contention for me? You want to go

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Speaker 1: to space? No? I don't. But I just want to

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Speaker 1: know that other people beside these rich people can go

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Speaker 1: to space. It's not fair when they go up do

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Speaker 1: they get upon the goal and come back down and

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Speaker 1: we don't know about it? Like? What is up there?

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Speaker 1: Why do you there? What'sn't there? Wait? Michael Strahan wants

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Speaker 1: to go. I miss going today. He's going to space? Right,

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Speaker 1: come on, here's the thing. What did Michael Strahan do

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Speaker 1: in the beginning of his career that qualified him to

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Speaker 1: do all these other things, Like he's like a daytime host,

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Speaker 1: he's going to space, he's doing okay and yes, okay,

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Speaker 1: Well if anyone if eventually there might come a day

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Speaker 1: where Dr Wendy would want to actually go to space

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Speaker 1: and if and we just hope and pray that you

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Speaker 1: have that access when that day comes. Because you dewife

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Speaker 1: and on Lost Coach, first Housewife and it's more to

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Speaker 1: my utility though I love it. Oh my god, I

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Speaker 1: have to tell you this was so enjoyable. It was

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Speaker 1: so great to get to know you a little bit

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Speaker 1: better because we are, like we said, such fans on

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Speaker 1: the show and everything that even though sometimes they edit

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Speaker 1: it in a certain way, I just want to let's

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Speaker 1: let you know, like it's coming across. You really do

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Speaker 1: carry the light and we're big, big, big fans. Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much. I'm for ever grateful to everyone

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Speaker 1: who watches the show, and for ever grateful to you

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Speaker 1: guys who just give me positivity because it is not

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Speaker 1: something that is for the faith of heart, so you know,

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Speaker 1: you slide it in my d M made my week.

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Speaker 1: So thank you for being a light to us. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate you, but Wendy True made my a week. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for thank you. We do end every

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Speaker 1: episode with a song, and it's gonna, it's gonna. What

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Speaker 1: do you think, bro? Is it drive back? Don't you

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Speaker 1: know you'll made me drink come yeah, even when I

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Speaker 1: don't know why I picked her key, But that's that.

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