Speaker 1: All right. Episode four, Episode four of the Bobby Casts.
Speaker 1: Welcome everyone. I'm your host, Bobby Bones, and Kelly Bannon
Speaker 1: is here and as always know how to do anything.
Speaker 1: She is. She too odd, I feel a little loud.
Speaker 1: All right, you're good. Mike Destro is our producer. Mike
Speaker 1: you good, good. All right. So the first time we
Speaker 1: have like a real guest. We've had people in here,
Speaker 1: but we haven't had anyone long form yet. So it's you.
Speaker 1: Kelly Bannon's here. Her name is spelled funny. If you
Speaker 1: do look it up, it's like k E L L
Speaker 1: E I g h p p l's like that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So here's here's some of Kelly song landlocked here. Maybe
Speaker 1: you've heard it on the show before. We might be
Speaker 1: it might be damn Hi, we can build a sax
Speaker 1: in the back, pick up, chucking up, don't get get off,
Speaker 1: stop everybody on the So. Kelly walked up to my house,
Speaker 1: which has been flooded for a while, and so, I mean,
Speaker 1: I talked about how it's a war zone. It's bad.
Speaker 1: It's like that's really bad. And I was telling you,
Speaker 1: like my house is all torn up right now, and
Speaker 1: it's it's not it's very dramatic here, like if all
Speaker 1: the hallway is like there's nothing at all, it's hot.
Speaker 1: It's really hot. Not to be deva. It was like,
Speaker 1: it's okay, it's this is because I've been here one
Speaker 1: other time and it's kind of a swanky place. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's swanky for an older building. I think it's
Speaker 1: a cool, lofty building. And so it's hot in my bedroom,
Speaker 1: which I'm not able to move in yet because they
Speaker 1: have heaters and dehydrators and defibrillators. I don't know what
Speaker 1: they have in that room. So I have heat coming
Speaker 1: up into the room and then I have the heat
Speaker 1: coming from the side because all the hall is torn up.
Speaker 1: So I wake up like I had the flu. I
Speaker 1: wake up and night sweats and or it feels like
Speaker 1: a pie the bed, like one of the two every
Speaker 1: time I wake up at night. So I'm sorry I
Speaker 1: had to walk through that. But to counter that, you
Speaker 1: do look like crap. So yeah, you know, not not
Speaker 1: your face. I'm just saying you obviously just came from
Speaker 1: marking out. Just the rest of you looks like crap.
Speaker 1: That means you didn't feel any pressure that that here's
Speaker 1: the thing, Like, Okay, so this is what girls think about?
Speaker 1: Do you want to do you want to know what
Speaker 1: girls think about? Why don't you tell me what I
Speaker 1: think about? You probably do know. I was all the
Speaker 1: time like, literally so this, I didn't have anything today
Speaker 1: that I needed to look like an artist for which
Speaker 1: means I didn't shower and I worked out this morning
Speaker 1: early with my trainer, and then I had just like
Speaker 1: a bunch of meetings but not anything where I needed
Speaker 1: to like look pretty. And so I was like, if
Speaker 1: I'm going to literally only shower for Bobby, wasn't what
Speaker 1: the only show? Because No? Here's why though, because that's
Speaker 1: like kind of like I feel weird if I like
Speaker 1: feel like I'm trying too hard. And I was like,
Speaker 1: I think makeup, and it would have been like only
Speaker 1: for you, which would have been like I would have
Speaker 1: felt awkward, felt like a first date except kind of awkward. Right,
Speaker 1: So I just rolled up in here. Yeah, Kelly Bannon,
Speaker 1: nasty Mike. We'll start with Mike's three questions Mike. Every
Speaker 1: time we've had a guest in, Mike, leave to three
Speaker 1: questions Mike. Question number one for Kelly Bannon, go ahead,
Speaker 1: Question number one, favorite Snapchat filter, Favorite oh, like, there
Speaker 1: he's bringing the hard stuff. Okay, I like truthfully, I
Speaker 1: like the advertising ones a lot of times, you know,
Speaker 1: like you know, the ones that are like the ones
Speaker 1: that are like they've they've paid for them for like
Speaker 1: a promotional purpose. Because here's the problem with the Snapchat filters.
Speaker 1: If you do like one of the like breaths that
Speaker 1: the girls are all into, like the flower crown or
Speaker 1: the butterflies, then you know, you people know you need
Speaker 1: to look pretty, And if you do like the puppy,
Speaker 1: you could put one of those on both of us. Now. Actually,
Speaker 1: I do like the bee, though the bee makes me
Speaker 1: crack of didn't makes you Yeah, you can just be stupid.
Speaker 1: Oh well, the one I don't like is the one
Speaker 1: that looked just like me and has like the glasses
Speaker 1: in the braces and they too. Question to last TV
Speaker 1: show you watched? Oh gosh, oh okay. We live with
Speaker 1: my mom right now because we're not in our house
Speaker 1: and my mom has Fox News on all day, so
Speaker 1: I haven't really it's not I haven't watched, but it's
Speaker 1: like it's just Fox News all the time in the
Speaker 1: background on I haven't watched the TV show in a minute, though,
Speaker 1: last question, Mike d Our, producer, and your favorite boy
Speaker 1: band in sync always really yeah, bactually started it that
Speaker 1: whole phase in scene kind of took it home. They
Speaker 1: finished it like they closed it out. See I I
Speaker 1: feel like it's like the best sing me your favorite
Speaker 1: Backstreet Boys song? Then? What what would be your favorite
Speaker 1: Backstreet Boys song? Okay, well, okay, now that is good.
Speaker 1: It's a good one. Wait what was that one New
Speaker 1: Kids on the New Kids on the Block that was
Speaker 1: like when at least like I was in early middle
Speaker 1: school and it was soretty young for you, Mike, but
Speaker 1: for us. But Backstreet Boys best song probably I don't
Speaker 1: know what he does to make you cray, but obvious
Speaker 1: make you smile. I don't have no fancy cup. Yeah
Speaker 1: to get to you, I walk a thousand? What is
Speaker 1: that gonna called? All I have to give? But the
Speaker 1: best Backstree Boys song does not hold up to Gone
Speaker 1: from in Sync and Gone wasn't even their biggest song.
Speaker 1: But wait, you cover something? I've seen you cover something
Speaker 1: from What do you cover or did you? Um? I
Speaker 1: don't know. We come, We kind of come to everything
Speaker 1: as we go. But like bye bye bye is better
Speaker 1: than anything that that Baxter Boys put out. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be me. That's better than anything to Backstreet Boys. But
Speaker 1: you're crazy, Yeah, even like pop pop. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: a girlfriend with nell A too friends. I mean, and
Speaker 1: then their best song, and it wasn't even their biggest song.
Speaker 1: But I think Gone was like the coolest song. It
Speaker 1: was all black and white. Remember the music video video.
Speaker 1: I actually don't remember that video. You know, the song
Speaker 1: like the circus needs to clown. I'm not sure that
Speaker 1: I do like a mind. Oh, this is the greatest
Speaker 1: then Sink song ever, and you guys are totally missed.
Speaker 1: You missed it. I don't want to. I don't think
Speaker 1: I know it. It was late in sync. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: break off a little bit. This is instinct Gone, by
Speaker 1: the way, Kelly Bannon's here, there's a thousand said that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this is such a great melody too. You know,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about so long? Like this is
Speaker 1: like justin Timberlake solo career, right before it was justin
Speaker 1: Timberlake solo career. But he does sound like a baby though.
Speaker 1: To me, you acting so strange, acting so strange. Maybe
Speaker 1: I was too blood to chee that you needed a change. Well,
Speaker 1: is it something the ship to make it turn away,
Speaker 1: make you walk out? Andy me cold fucking just found
Speaker 1: me to make it so that you all right here,
Speaker 1: here we go, Mike Bissing, get you off my march
Speaker 1: of my hardest to bee the man and be strong,
Speaker 1: draw myself and say true read made you go, God
Speaker 1: baby go, oh you go baby girl. Man, that was
Speaker 1: a damn and I'm glad you did that that. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: I want to go back and listen. There's more than
Speaker 1: bye bye bye great like in stinc is great in
Speaker 1: order of our lifetime and sink at one boy new
Speaker 1: Gets on the block was that was such a big deal?
Speaker 1: I was. We were so young though, I like, I
Speaker 1: don't think we got to experience you remember girls like
Speaker 1: like and sleep over Party is having like the VHS
Speaker 1: of their video and like sleeping with like the video. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: vhs you have? How do you? Okay? Um, that's a tape.
Speaker 1: It's one of those rectangled things and used to put
Speaker 1: in like this big monster that a hole in it
Speaker 1: and it would suck it in and then play it
Speaker 1: on your TV. He's crazy, don't worry about Yeah, we'll
Speaker 1: google it later. Backstreet in Sync, New Kids, probably Backstreet.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you consider Boys the men a
Speaker 1: boy band, because then they get into the whole Joe
Speaker 1: to see. I'm gonna say boys and not a boy band.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say they're there because they didn't dance. To
Speaker 1: be a boy band, you have to be put on
Speaker 1: a lot of dance too. With the singing boys them
Speaker 1: in they were good because they sang really well. Like
Speaker 1: the package of a boy band has to be. You
Speaker 1: have to be young vocalists and do a lot of dances,
Speaker 1: a lot of dancing. So okay, I go in Sync,
Speaker 1: New Kids, Backstreet Boys. I mean, like I was going
Speaker 1: to ask you that those guys are really good musicians,
Speaker 1: so I wouldn't put him in a boy band group
Speaker 1: like I loved oh Town, who was the guy that
Speaker 1: just died that was like somebody's major manager, and so
Speaker 1: he was. He created all these groups, Backstreet, in Sync,
Speaker 1: oh Town. And he also and there are allegations against
Speaker 1: him for doing improper things. He created LFO like that
Speaker 1: was his thing. But he got in trouble for a
Speaker 1: Ponzi scheme that was even bigger than the one that
Speaker 1: the Bernie Madoff had. You know what does not make
Speaker 1: sense to me about that is like think about what
Speaker 1: he was making back then, with the kind of record
Speaker 1: stills they had, Like why would you do that? Because
Speaker 1: never get enough? Period? Like ever, the richest people I
Speaker 1: know are still out. It doesn't matter with money, No
Speaker 1: one's ever just contend. I don't know anyone who just like,
Speaker 1: I'm good to where I am. Do you know anybody
Speaker 1: who like, Okay, you're right, You're right. Everybody's like at
Speaker 1: the same time, just think about me a little bit.
Speaker 1: What's like what people say about when the people win
Speaker 1: the lottery, Like their happiness goes down because they don't
Speaker 1: know what to do and they start to see the
Speaker 1: relationships that they have and don't have and what they meet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I don't know anybody that goes let me just
Speaker 1: get it look a little poor better. It's a little poor.
Speaker 1: It's always let me just start to get a little richer.
Speaker 1: Even you know the richest billionaires is they do that.
Speaker 1: But with that, I play you one of the best
Speaker 1: boy band songs of all time, But this one right here,
Speaker 1: All or Nothing from Otown Top five boy band songs,
Speaker 1: even though they're not one of the talk three or
Speaker 1: four boy bands. I went and hung out. I hung
Speaker 1: out with them in Portland for like a whole night.
Speaker 1: Once they weren't nice to Jacob. He was one of
Speaker 1: the guys in the band. Is a whole story. But
Speaker 1: then's the champ. Yeah, these guys had what was that chorus? Though?
Speaker 1: I know I know that Okay god, okay, yeah, thank you?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah that was a jam. Uh so that was fun.
Speaker 1: Kelly Bannon's here. You have a new website that's up
Speaker 1: and it's called This Nationale Life. Yes, it's like a blog,
Speaker 1: I know, roll your eyes. That's where everything. No, no,
Speaker 1: it's not that everything is going there, but it's just
Speaker 1: hard to cut through because everybody has one. But everybody's
Speaker 1: going there, and everyone has one, and there will be
Speaker 1: those that thrive huge, but most won't. It's like all
Speaker 1: of it. It's all the whole thing. It's like artists
Speaker 1: of music and artists of of in radio and artists
Speaker 1: of whatever. The really good ones will cut through and
Speaker 1: go to the top. One thing that I have learned
Speaker 1: through my lifetime is the cream always rises. Eventually, the
Speaker 1: cream always rises. It might take a little longer for
Speaker 1: the cream to rise because of scenarios or circumstances. But
Speaker 1: early do I see somebody that's so good and they
Speaker 1: have a healthy head, and they don't make it unless
Speaker 1: they quit, you know what I mean. If you you quit,
Speaker 1: you didn't really want it anymore. So the cream always rises.
Speaker 1: And the same thing with blogs and the same thing
Speaker 1: with with podcasts. Like you see guys like Joe Rogan
Speaker 1: and guys that have been at it for a long
Speaker 1: time and have huge followings and because they're just good, compelling,
Speaker 1: um and so yours. It's called this national life called Naville.
Speaker 1: There's a blog and there's a podcast that actually started
Speaker 1: to do yeah. Um, so there was. I had no
Speaker 1: idea and I was like, hey, why don't you come up.
Speaker 1: I didn't know she was in a media tour today
Speaker 1: yesterday and I was like, hey, come by the house
Speaker 1: and do that. So what's the blog about? The blog? Okay?
Speaker 1: So I was in like I was in my record
Speaker 1: deal and music wasn't coming out, and oh man, that
Speaker 1: was like that was awesome. What car was that used
Speaker 1: to do? What was that? The thing you heard was
Speaker 1: a NASCAR hood that had my name on it that
Speaker 1: we have propped up against The wallet fell? Why what's
Speaker 1: the tape about? Okay, so, um so this national life
Speaker 1: the bog started just because well, one, I think there's
Speaker 1: a lot of really fun, cool things that go along
Speaker 1: with being an artist, like especially for girls, Like there's
Speaker 1: the glamy stuff in the fashion and like you get
Speaker 1: to do cool stuff, you know, we get to meet
Speaker 1: really neat people. And so part of me was like,
Speaker 1: like there's some neat stories to be told and fans
Speaker 1: want to know about it. And I wasn't able to
Speaker 1: put music out because I was you know, it was
Speaker 1: just kind of we were between sort of we were
Speaker 1: still at Universal and trying to find that next single
Speaker 1: record label. Yeah yeah, And I just was trying to
Speaker 1: look for a way to connect with fans. And I
Speaker 1: wanted to take my story back a little bit too,
Speaker 1: and um, not in like a bad way, just in
Speaker 1: like I wanted to be the person telling my story.
Speaker 1: And I also feel like like I've I'm not super young,
Speaker 1: Like I have a lot of experiences and I've had
Speaker 1: a lot of heartache, and I just like I can
Speaker 1: tell like, I think there's a gift in telling your
Speaker 1: story and sharing it with I think that's what you
Speaker 1: do so incredibly well too. It's like you don't give everything,
Speaker 1: you can't be vulnerable about every single thing. But when
Speaker 1: you can be vulnerable about something like it can be
Speaker 1: a real gift to other people. I love boy bands.
Speaker 1: You know you're vulnerable than that. So this Nashville Life
Speaker 1: will talk more about that in a minute. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: want to ask you about like a record deal that
Speaker 1: we talked about, the records and stuff. How old were
Speaker 1: you when you get your first record deal? So that's
Speaker 1: kind of old actually already for a female, it is
Speaker 1: older ish to get a first record deal. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: when we talk in terms here of age, we talk
Speaker 1: in artists terms. There's the thing on the show where
Speaker 1: we talk when you compare celebrity guys and girls on looks.
Speaker 1: There's the celebrity scale and there's the normal. I went
Speaker 1: telling the truth about do you want I can give
Speaker 1: you my artist age, then we can back that up.
Speaker 1: I got signed in to my record deal at twenty four,
Speaker 1: so you were active. I'm with twenty eight when I
Speaker 1: got signed and they knew it and yeah, older than Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of the like you not, you know, probably
Speaker 1: I got more hung up on that than they ever did.
Speaker 1: I mean, they don't. They're not going to be like
Speaker 1: she's thirty who you know? But like I think as
Speaker 1: long as I looked pretty good and like I didn't
Speaker 1: look super old. So if you're twenty eight and you
Speaker 1: get signed, how that? How did it happen? Where you
Speaker 1: get a deal? Do you go out and do you
Speaker 1: I think a lot of listeners would like to know
Speaker 1: how this works. Do you go and say I will
Speaker 1: be playing at this bar. Anyone who wants to come
Speaker 1: and watch me can come watch me, and anyone has
Speaker 1: to sign me can sign me. Well, you know, nowadays
Speaker 1: it's different, but like then, okay to to this day,
Speaker 1: they still do this thing called artist pitches, where like, okay,
Speaker 1: let's say you let's say you're a manager, you're a producer,
Speaker 1: and you have and you're working with the Raging Idiots.
Speaker 1: I know this isn't how this happened for the Raging Idiots.
Speaker 1: I don't think that, but like, so, okay, we've got
Speaker 1: this band, like they they're really cool, We've got some side,
Speaker 1: we've got some songs, some recordings of them, and like
Speaker 1: you set meetings with an r that's like who signs
Speaker 1: people at record labels and you go in there like
Speaker 1: almost like a conference room performance, like you play for them?
Speaker 1: How did you? That's what I found had a manager. No,
Speaker 1: Actually the way I got found was I did this
Speaker 1: tour in two thousand nine called ninety Gigs and ninety
Speaker 1: Days and how to Recovery tie in. It was like
Speaker 1: to honor um, like the one year anniversary of my
Speaker 1: younger brother passing away, and I just didn't know what
Speaker 1: to do with that anniversary. So I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go play a bunch of shows. And it's like
Speaker 1: main national News and Paul Worley, who's a really famous
Speaker 1: producer here in town. He produced the Dixie Chicks and
Speaker 1: Sarah Evans, Martin McBride, Lady Anabelle um Um. He like,
Speaker 1: I think he just read about me and he was
Speaker 1: like she's just crazy enough, like I'll take a meeting
Speaker 1: with her. And I just went and played for him,
Speaker 1: just me and my guitar. I'm saying, like you know
Speaker 1: these So I mean, I wasn't even writing in in
Speaker 1: mainstream music row at that time. I was writing by
Speaker 1: myself and with like a couple other people. Yeah my song.
Speaker 1: So I was singing in front of this guy, singing
Speaker 1: in front this guy in his office, and he his
Speaker 1: job would be if he likes if he said yes
Speaker 1: to manage, you know, to produced, yes to make Okay,
Speaker 1: so you're going to play an he likes you, and
Speaker 1: he's like you okay, we're gonna He was really, I mean,
Speaker 1: Paul is a huge part of my story, but he
Speaker 1: was like okay, cool, Like this is happening in the meeting.
Speaker 1: He's like, uh, we're going to make a record together.
Speaker 1: Now you need to go write the songs. And I
Speaker 1: have a lot of connections and tell him obviously, so
Speaker 1: I'm gonna help you get in with songwriters. He said
Speaker 1: he had the connections. I mean, he's just like, I'm
Speaker 1: going to help you get those co writes and you're
Speaker 1: gonna go write your record and we're gonna, we're gonna,
Speaker 1: we're gonna make music together. So you made a record
Speaker 1: before you got a deal. We did like half a record.
Speaker 1: And so do you take the music to different record
Speaker 1: companies and you say, here's what it sounds like. And
Speaker 1: so who signed you? Mike Dungan and Autumn House at
Speaker 1: what was then Capitol Records but it is now Universal Records. Okay,
Speaker 1: so they signed you under the pretense of you're gonna
Speaker 1: be an artist, they tell you what kind of artists
Speaker 1: you needed to be. They actually signed me to something
Speaker 1: that doesn't happen anymore, which is called a development deal.
Speaker 1: But it was like, yeah, we really love what you're doing.
Speaker 1: And like other other record labels had passed on me too,
Speaker 1: Like we were pitching a couple different places, but and
Speaker 1: then one was still like in the conversation, but and
Speaker 1: I really loved them over there. They had so many
Speaker 1: artists that I really admired. I was like, oh, like
Speaker 1: what I want to be a part of what they're doing.
Speaker 1: And yeah, so they are like essentially they're like you
Speaker 1: gotta go right, Yeah, you gotta go right that right,
Speaker 1: that hit right those right, that first single right, that album? Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: so you go and you get a record deal. People
Speaker 1: think you get a record deal, so you make a
Speaker 1: lot of money immediately. I mean, you do get a
Speaker 1: little bit of a signing bonus, but like, what's what's
Speaker 1: a little bit of a signing bonus. I think at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, my signing bonus was forty
Speaker 1: dollars or fifty thousand dollars. That's not nothing. Just needs
Speaker 1: at But then I had probably twenty thousand and legal
Speaker 1: fees fifteen or twenty thousand and legal fees, And that's
Speaker 1: the that's the first check you get from the record label,
Speaker 1: and you don't get another check from the record label
Speaker 1: until you've made back all the money that they spend
Speaker 1: on you, essentially, or you're making your or they put
Speaker 1: out an album and then you make another album, and
Speaker 1: they advance you money, usually at the front end of
Speaker 1: each album cycle, so it's called like a recoup. So
Speaker 1: for example, if it takes ten dollars to make a
Speaker 1: record and the record makes thirteen dollars, you don't even
Speaker 1: start to get paid until the extra three dollars comes
Speaker 1: and you only get a fraction of the three dollars,
Speaker 1: which is very small. So, and people don't buy records,
Speaker 1: and people don't they really people don't buy music, and
Speaker 1: and and in five years, people just don't get to
Speaker 1: buy music, like it's not convenient. The making of music
Speaker 1: to be bought is not going to be a thing
Speaker 1: in five to ten years, it'll be a boutique thing.
Speaker 1: But where it's going to go as people are gonna
Speaker 1: have an artists are gonna have to find ways to
Speaker 1: monetize their music in different ways, and you know touring
Speaker 1: obviously and in merchandise obviously, but do you do special
Speaker 1: Facebook live shows? Do you fan experience? That's where the
Speaker 1: that's where the money is going to have to come,
Speaker 1: because you're already seeing no money come from music and
Speaker 1: so labels are trying to figure it out artists or
Speaker 1: trying to figure it out. And so you're with Universal
Speaker 1: and you decided to put out a single. What was
Speaker 1: the first single? The first single was called Sorry on
Speaker 1: the Rocks, and it actually got to thirty six, so
Speaker 1: it was my highest charting song. It wasn't like the
Speaker 1: highest selling, but it was the highest charting song that
Speaker 1: we put Clearly, he didn't I wasn't in the format
Speaker 1: you weren't. I don't know when when did you come? Yeah?
Speaker 1: It was two thou twelve here Sorry on the Rocks.
Speaker 1: So you have the song. Do you feel like it's
Speaker 1: going to be a huge hit? I mean I did?
Speaker 1: I did? I did? I mean, yeah, what are you
Speaker 1: talking about? I don't really want to do this on
Speaker 1: the I can get to the chorus, get to the chorus,
Speaker 1: gone listen. You finably have a nice studio here, it's
Speaker 1: too full, and you all say, I'm sorry, you've been
Speaker 1: checking all right, and now shag it's Magan worstool, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: very single, and you're excited and you're a new artist,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure the labels behind you like crazy. Well
Speaker 1: actually it was. It was total mayhem because the label
Speaker 1: head had just left, like I get signed, We're about
Speaker 1: to come out with this first single, and the label
Speaker 1: head leaves to go to another label. Because there's all
Speaker 1: this Cris is like totally inside baseball. So I don't
Speaker 1: want to bore you guys, but like I'll tell you
Speaker 1: it's boring. But we had we went out on our
Speaker 1: radio tour and that wasn't even a single we were promoting.
Speaker 1: So then they're like, wait, we think this should be
Speaker 1: the single. It just felt like really chaotic. So and
Speaker 1: I've been in that situation to where I had a
Speaker 1: CEO and right in the middle of them deciding what
Speaker 1: they were going to want me to do and let
Speaker 1: me figure out how I wanted to do. They switched
Speaker 1: and I got I got really lucky and had someone
Speaker 1: who came in and was like because that my original
Speaker 1: CEO was like you we want you to do something huge.
Speaker 1: We were they're offering me different jobs, but then the
Speaker 1: new when Bob Pittman came in, I was like, not
Speaker 1: only want you to do this, like we really want
Speaker 1: you to do all of this, where it could have
Speaker 1: been that so many of my friends it happens to
Speaker 1: and they want to bring in their own people totally,
Speaker 1: and I honestly it did not go as badly as
Speaker 1: it could have, and we ended up these two companies
Speaker 1: merged back together and so we're all back under the
Speaker 1: same leadership. But there were like eight months where it
Speaker 1: was like lose in charge and like what's going to
Speaker 1: happen and everything they support you or you that you
Speaker 1: they didn't find about you, right, that's human nature. Like,
Speaker 1: so that song goes to thirty nine or something right
Speaker 1: under top top forty, you get when do you get
Speaker 1: the call that goes, okay, the song is dead? Were actually,
Speaker 1: you know, my manager Carry and I didn't have a
Speaker 1: manager when I honestly, I didn't have a manager until
Speaker 1: like halfway through that because I didn't have a manager
Speaker 1: when I got signed, and like Carry called me and
Speaker 1: she was just like, you know, it's like it's over
Speaker 1: and I don't It's very like our world, and your
Speaker 1: world especially is so these numbers, like it is math
Speaker 1: the way that songs make it up the charts. It
Speaker 1: is literally math. And so what had happened is we'd
Speaker 1: break we'd broken into the top forty, which means you
Speaker 1: get all this like count downing stuff. You guys have
Speaker 1: heard countdowns. Sorry, I'm sure you do have to countdown.
Speaker 1: I've never heard this song before, but I have the
Speaker 1: biggest countdown in America, by the way, for the record,
Speaker 1: the country is the largest national countdown in country music. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't care, but I'm sure it's awesome. It's it's fine.
Speaker 1: It's a countdown that easy, the easiest. So um, So
Speaker 1: what happens is like, so you get all these extra
Speaker 1: plays on your song because it's in the countdown and
Speaker 1: all these stations are playing it, if that makes sense,
Speaker 1: and then you have to keep that forward momentum. I
Speaker 1: think like a couple of big superstars put songs out
Speaker 1: and they like jumped me in the charts, and we
Speaker 1: got knocked out of the forties. And you you can
Speaker 1: not go forward. If you stopped climbing a ladder, it's
Speaker 1: hard to reclimb it. That what happened, and like, I
Speaker 1: don't know. Should the song have been a hit? I
Speaker 1: don't know, probably not, but you know I didn't hate it.
Speaker 1: Thanks you yea? So okay, then what do you put on?
Speaker 1: So then we put out famous? Okay, this one. I
Speaker 1: was just into the format here, so I know this song.
Speaker 1: And so this is Kelly Bannon. This song is called
Speaker 1: famous because I'm gonna make like, yeah, you sing it.
Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm really good. This was the one agree on.
Speaker 1: It's so like a hundred and fifty thou singles. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: here's famous. You swipped me off my things from the
Speaker 1: moment I met you good. I want to lucky baby.
Speaker 1: I'll let you in my heart and my heart fast
Speaker 1: forward of the course. Just yet. I'm gonna make you
Speaker 1: famous about you? You know, I know what your name
Speaker 1: is this town. I'm gonna make you famous to don't
Speaker 1: you know what those around? Yeah, I'm gonna make your
Speaker 1: famous famous. So you put out famous. And I remember
Speaker 1: liking that song and where did it? Where did it
Speaker 1: pick up the char chartedby? It never charted? I think
Speaker 1: people were Okay, it's poppy. You guys just heard it.
Speaker 1: It is poppy, But now I mean it was, and
Speaker 1: it was before a lot of the other stuff that happened.
Speaker 1: That is poppy, But I just believe me. Are you poppy?
Speaker 1: Yeah you have changed things? Yeah you okay, But like
Speaker 1: we I just felt like, okay, yes, people are going
Speaker 1: to be like, it's poppy, but I felt like it was.
Speaker 1: It would be. We wouldn't have put out the best
Speaker 1: version of the song if we'd gone back and tried
Speaker 1: to make it country or in some It just was.
Speaker 1: That was the recording, and I believed in that recording,
Speaker 1: and I thought fans would love it, and they did actually,
Speaker 1: like they bought it, and they watched the video a million,
Speaker 1: well like two and a half million times. And but
Speaker 1: like radio, it was just two different. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know what it was like. It's different now
Speaker 1: it's like totally not. It actually makes me kind of
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's slowly catching up. I got in trouble.
Speaker 1: Rolling of the format was twenty years behind. I got
Speaker 1: everybody's been saying that though in town for a million years,
Speaker 1: like that's not did you get a little hand slap?
Speaker 1: I don't get hand slaps, I get, but I was
Speaker 1: really disliked in town for what I was doing with
Speaker 1: the radio show for about a year and a half
Speaker 1: until it was like, wow, okay, he's an artist advocate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you weren't just liked by artists, though you were disliked
Speaker 1: by peep. Artists really liked you. I don't know they
Speaker 1: liked me, but I think they appreciated that I was
Speaker 1: going out on limbs because I don't know. It's not
Speaker 1: like I'm but you know, I don't. I'm not sort
Speaker 1: of like the Nashville buddy hood. You're not and you're not,
Speaker 1: but you're personable like I do think they are. I mean,
Speaker 1: let's real nice. I think you're a nice person. Um,
Speaker 1: your best song to me was Smoke when I Drink. Really,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I didn't know that I play. I
Speaker 1: used to play in the dance party, and when I
Speaker 1: play songs in the dance party, I picked the song,
Speaker 1: you know what. So we asked, so what happened is
Speaker 1: I mean, we asked them to put take this to
Speaker 1: radio and they were like, you can't say smoke and
Speaker 1: drink and I've played bottom, So we just we just
Speaker 1: put it out digitally because I was on tour with
Speaker 1: Cole and I had to have music out. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I wasn't meaning that like a name drop. I was
Speaker 1: on the road with Darth Rooks. You know you did, yes,
Speaker 1: but does this smoke when I drinks? I think was
Speaker 1: your best song and they wouldn't play out Nicotina shooting
Speaker 1: turn on down, see it only smong one a drinking
Speaker 1: only smoke one A drinking stage moment. Keep it coming, baby,
Speaker 1: when you feel all right, I'm tuning up the giants.
Speaker 1: Turn you back Bay, keep telling my silver only smoke
Speaker 1: when I drink A tempo fun listen. I mean, smoking
Speaker 1: is gross. I don't care. The song was I don't smoke,
Speaker 1: and it's a metaphor, and I kind of just didn't care,
Speaker 1: like I don't, I didn't care. I thought this song
Speaker 1: was so cool. I didn't care, like sometimes you're you're
Speaker 1: just like you're as an artist and you know this
Speaker 1: like you are, you are a lot of who you
Speaker 1: are on stage, but you're not only who you are
Speaker 1: on stage, and so like to me, I loved so
Speaker 1: much about that song. I loved I love the writing
Speaker 1: on it. Um it was cool. I loved our recording
Speaker 1: of I was so proud of Jason, my producer. I
Speaker 1: just I love the way it came together, and yeah,
Speaker 1: it is a little rowdier. I what I do is
Speaker 1: a little rowdier. Probably, it's probably a little rowdier than
Speaker 1: I truly. My personality is I'm not super crazy like
Speaker 1: I do like bourbon. But you know, I just I
Speaker 1: loved that song and I thought it was a smash
Speaker 1: and yeah, no, it was also like do you remember
Speaker 1: that song smoking and Drinking that Mariana put out? It
Speaker 1: was right around that time and that didn't do well either.
Speaker 1: But so no, man, okay, that was my favorite song. Thanks,
Speaker 1: that's nice. I didn't know that you liked that. So
Speaker 1: then you get dropped from your label st you know,
Speaker 1: it was here's the thing, and you and I did
Speaker 1: have a really frank conversation about it, like don't it
Speaker 1: don't I have nothing to do with well no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I didn't mean that at all. I just mean, like, okay,
Speaker 1: you know, when you're a priority somewhere, And they didn't
Speaker 1: They were awesome, they didn't drop me, but I don't
Speaker 1: know if they were going too. It was like it
Speaker 1: was like, you know, like you've been with your boyfriend
Speaker 1: for forever, it's like your high school boyfriend, and like
Speaker 1: somebody's got to break up with somebody. It's like somebody's
Speaker 1: got to Nobody wants to break up, but you want
Speaker 1: to break up. Nobody wants to do the breaking Yeah, so,
Speaker 1: I so, I mean, honestly, we almost It was mid
Speaker 1: May when we finally decided we were going to put
Speaker 1: cheap sunglasses out the EP by ourselves, because but we
Speaker 1: also knew that the passion wasn't there anymore. And I
Speaker 1: don't mean that as a critical thing. It's just human nature,
Speaker 1: like you're not new to somebody anymore. You're not you're
Speaker 1: not the shiny new thing, and you had your minute
Speaker 1: to be the shiny toy. You were it didn't work out.
Speaker 1: So to them it's like, let's find the next shine.
Speaker 1: And it's not them, it's everyone. This is the nature
Speaker 1: of the business. Humative businesses, all creative businesses. Everybody likes
Speaker 1: the shiny toy. Doesn't matter if it's on TV, the
Speaker 1: movie's music, radio. Everybody likes the shiny toy. And the
Speaker 1: goal is to stay shiny. Yeah it's hard, it's yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's almost impossible. And when you don't
Speaker 1: become shiny, you have to re shine yourself or someone
Speaker 1: else is going to come in a movie inside and
Speaker 1: that's in a a field. That's always the case, and
Speaker 1: it will always be the case from now until forever.
Speaker 1: So this isn't new, and it will be something that
Speaker 1: happens with every artist of every If you're a painter,
Speaker 1: it's the same thing. Art's tough because there isn't there
Speaker 1: aren't definitions. I have a friend who was, uh, I
Speaker 1: have a friend that was you know, it was an artist. Okay,
Speaker 1: I have to be careful just because I don't care.
Speaker 1: I would tell the whole story. But my thing is
Speaker 1: I don't put other people stories out there unless unless
Speaker 1: I'm allowed to, or it's about me. Those are my
Speaker 1: So this friend sends me music and at one point
Speaker 1: this friend was a big artist and they quit being
Speaker 1: an artist for a bit, and uh, so they sent
Speaker 1: me some music and they're like, hey, listen to what
Speaker 1: you think. And so I just was frank and was
Speaker 1: honest about it, and and I sent it back and
Speaker 1: I said, listen, but I'll tell you all of this.
Speaker 1: But none of what I say or what anyone says matters,
Speaker 1: because with or anything creative, you just don't know. It's so.
Speaker 1: And if anyone ever tells you that they do, they're
Speaker 1: they're wrong. Anyone that's for sure about anything creative is
Speaker 1: wrong because you don't know. You can have every structurally
Speaker 1: perfect song and then all of a sudden, who let
Speaker 1: the dogs outcomes out? I mean it's a right, I
Speaker 1: mean really that that that's the rule of all. So,
Speaker 1: you know, I send this note back and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't think this, this is this. I like this,
Speaker 1: but I said, but all of this advice, or any
Speaker 1: advice one person gives you, it's not right. The only
Speaker 1: advice that's real is yours, and you have to follow
Speaker 1: your gut, and then if it doesn't work, okay, then
Speaker 1: follow your gut again until you decide it it's not
Speaker 1: for you. Yeah, I don't think that's actually great advice.
Speaker 1: And so it was just like just you have to
Speaker 1: surround yourself people you trust, surround yourself for people that
Speaker 1: aren't yes people, and then once they pile in all
Speaker 1: of their advice, then you make your own decision and
Speaker 1: it has to be your decision. So it's it's tough.
Speaker 1: So okay, you go and you don't have a record
Speaker 1: label anymore, so do you pay for By the way,
Speaker 1: Kelly Bannon has a it's called Cheap Sunglasses, and you
Speaker 1: can download it, you can stream. I would say download
Speaker 1: it because you stream, it's staying and pay and true.
Speaker 1: But I stream but and I download but whatever, But
Speaker 1: it's out there cheap sunglasses. Did you do that with
Speaker 1: your own money? Yeah? Well that was what's crazy is
Speaker 1: I was still signed and I just was like, freak this,
Speaker 1: I gotta I've gotta go make my I've got to
Speaker 1: go make music. Ro I'm gonna go crazy. So I
Speaker 1: just kind of disappeared and made it and paid for it,
Speaker 1: paid for it yourself. Yeah. So actually, not only that
Speaker 1: I borrowed money from my parents. That sucks, man, it's hard.
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel really fortunate that they loaned me
Speaker 1: a little money. But yeah, a minute, I got to
Speaker 1: say multiple thanks. Firing off, Mike. What am I doing? Oh?
Speaker 1: I still hear smoke when I drink? Okay, this is
Speaker 1: a montage. They don't go together. Apparently we might be
Speaker 1: might be. Damn. We can feel the same to the
Speaker 1: back to pick up. So that's on there, Mike. How
Speaker 1: long will be in? So far? We're good, We're we're good.
Speaker 1: We've got plenty of time. Cheap sunglasses is the name
Speaker 1: of it. Here's cheap sunglasses, cheap sun glass. Just just
Speaker 1: my thing palls out of fast so he didn't bike
Speaker 1: just so away. Well, I'm a made a plastic I
Speaker 1: don't want to be cheap sunless. You picked that song
Speaker 1: as the title of the whole record? Why, Um, I
Speaker 1: wrote it about leaving your label and just like making
Speaker 1: the decision and like where I was then, and like,
Speaker 1: I think this is for me writing that song, like
Speaker 1: as a as a girl, as a woman in like
Speaker 1: and I think in any entertainment business or like, you
Speaker 1: want to be fun and you want to be pretty,
Speaker 1: and you like want to be those things, but you
Speaker 1: also want to be more than those things, right, Like
Speaker 1: you don't just want to be the pretty girl along
Speaker 1: for the ride. But so it's like that that song.
Speaker 1: I felt like we actually did a pretty good job
Speaker 1: of like kind of navigating that Like, yeah, I want
Speaker 1: I want to be that girl. I don't want to
Speaker 1: be that girl, but I also want, like I want
Speaker 1: more than that too. Do you feel because I'm five, okay,
Speaker 1: do you feel at thirty five? And never I've never
Speaker 1: said that publicly, you know what I think? Kelly honestly,
Speaker 1: and again I would just tell you the choice because
Speaker 1: uh that I think that's an advantage now really I do, okay,
Speaker 1: because first I don't need to go get botox because
Speaker 1: I'm first. No, forever it was a disadvantage to be
Speaker 1: older than twenty three. It's just not about it's becoming
Speaker 1: more about the actual product than it is just what
Speaker 1: is supposed to fit. Yeah, and so the fact that
Speaker 1: you're on it and again in at thirty two, girl,
Speaker 1: I know girls are like, as it's not for me,
Speaker 1: and they're artists. I know they're in the thirties. Now
Speaker 1: they're like, I don't know if I can do. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, because this is because there aren't any like
Speaker 1: real life human adult female artist right now. You're a
Speaker 1: real life human female in a land where there are none.
Speaker 1: There are none like you're You're a real life You're
Speaker 1: not Martina McBride, someone who was a big artist back
Speaker 1: when we were kids. You're in an area where no
Speaker 1: other artists are. You're a real life growing up female.
Speaker 1: You're not a teen, you're not an early twenties. You're
Speaker 1: an adult, and there's no one in that. There's nobody there.
Speaker 1: So as some people look at it and I just
Speaker 1: get frustrated at at because of what it's always been.
Speaker 1: That's what it's always supposed to be, and I just
Speaker 1: don't think that is what I think it is anymore.
Speaker 1: And so to me, I would rather be thirty five
Speaker 1: than twenty eight right now, totally, even as an artist. Like, yes,
Speaker 1: I mean if I could be my thirty five year
Speaker 1: old self in my twenties, yeah no, yeah no, there's
Speaker 1: no comparison. Like I couldn't go back and do that again.
Speaker 1: I couldn't go back and do high school. I couldn't
Speaker 1: go back and do middle school. And I would not
Speaker 1: go back and do my mid twenties. It was it
Speaker 1: was hard. Yeah, I like, my last three months have
Speaker 1: been pretty good. Other than that, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the book before that. So, um, Kelly Bannon is here,
Speaker 1: and so she has a record out. She has a
Speaker 1: blog on a website called This Nashville Life, and you
Speaker 1: can check it out, and she writes and she talks
Speaker 1: and she does all of this and you're gonna see
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's my advice to you. You have
Speaker 1: to and listen to Kelly's podcast. I haven't yet listen
Speaker 1: to one that you sent me. You did you did
Speaker 1: listen to I told you I was going to. Well,
Speaker 1: I just think you. I assume you like, don't have
Speaker 1: time for the I don't. But unless I say I'm
Speaker 1: going to do it my rule live, I don't have
Speaker 1: time because I mean my schedule one thing against the next. However,
Speaker 1: I put things in there are important and I said
Speaker 1: I'm going to listen to this. And I listened to it,
Speaker 1: and I said, I think it's good, but I think
Speaker 1: it's too long. And that was what I came back
Speaker 1: to you with. It's almost impossible to develop following until
Speaker 1: you do. And you have to do it so consistently.
Speaker 1: And this is that anybody who wants to do a
Speaker 1: podcast or a blog, you have to do it so
Speaker 1: consistent all the time and let people every time into you.
Speaker 1: You feel like you're beating it to death that people
Speaker 1: are just now discovering it. For example, we do a segment,
Speaker 1: it's our highest rated segment on our show, tell Me
Speaker 1: Something Good. We do it every day twice a day,
Speaker 1: and I feel like, man, how are people not tirer
Speaker 1: of this? Every day twice a day. I'm just like,
Speaker 1: how are And some people and people come up to
Speaker 1: me and they're like, that's my favorite segment, Like I
Speaker 1: listened to that segment and I'm just like, I love that.
Speaker 1: And frankly, that segment has changed the culture of radio
Speaker 1: in general. And that's a whole back story of how
Speaker 1: we started it. Twelve years ago. Research said it worked
Speaker 1: to other stations started doing it, so other stations so
Speaker 1: now everybody does it. But for me, it's the same
Speaker 1: thing with the podcast, like you have to do it
Speaker 1: where you feel like you're beating it to death, and
Speaker 1: when you're like, oh, I just don't want to do
Speaker 1: another one, you have to do what you're thinking right now,
Speaker 1: three more you no, why am I hearing not at all?
Speaker 1: I want to see you succeed. And that's the key,
Speaker 1: is just repetition and when you're tired of yourself. People
Speaker 1: are just now discovering it. You know. That is a
Speaker 1: creepy part of our job. Like we had video content,
Speaker 1: like we had essentially like a music video for each
Speaker 1: song on the on the EP, and some of them
Speaker 1: were like more involved, like real official music videos, and
Speaker 1: some of them were less involved. But I got to
Speaker 1: the point where I was like, oh my gosh, people
Speaker 1: must hate me, like I am so sick of my
Speaker 1: face and my stuff, you know, And I get sick
Speaker 1: of me more than anybody. Yeah, I was super sick
Speaker 1: of myself. I get to like I don't want to.
Speaker 1: I can't some of myself. I can't look at myself.
Speaker 1: But again, if I'm tweeting all day, people might see
Speaker 1: three tweets. They might see three tweets if I put
Speaker 1: out forty tweets and and they follow me. Everyone is
Speaker 1: so and this is everyone. Everyone is so wrapped up
Speaker 1: in themselves that we think everyone sees what we see,
Speaker 1: and they don't because everyone so wrapped up in themselves
Speaker 1: that they only catch peripherally the other things. So you
Speaker 1: just have to hit it and hit it and hit it.
Speaker 1: Anybody creative, You have to hit it over and over again,
Speaker 1: and it won't work seventy two times, and in the
Speaker 1: seventy third time you'll get lucky. And all it is
Speaker 1: is you've worked so hard to get lucky. Yeah, my
Speaker 1: dad used to say that the harder I work, the
Speaker 1: luckier I get. It's my career, Like I'm an overnight success,
Speaker 1: except I've been doing this for in the mornings for
Speaker 1: fourteen freaking years. Yeah, whit hell am I so? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Fourteen years. I've been doing mornings like and it's a grind.
Speaker 1: Been tired for years, for fourteen years. So you know,
Speaker 1: I like what you're doing, and I hope you do
Speaker 1: it consistently. Thank you. It's hard to do it consistently.
Speaker 1: But nothing. It's you know, if if it was easy,
Speaker 1: everybody would do it and everybody would be successful, and
Speaker 1: and hardly anyone is. Kelly Bannon is here, by the
Speaker 1: way in Cheap Sunglasses is the record. This is again
Speaker 1: the song Cheap Sunglasses sust I don't like, do you
Speaker 1: have a negative feeling about being thirty five? Like? To
Speaker 1: me that that really sets me wrong, because you shouldn't.
Speaker 1: I guess it's because I think you know, you've been
Speaker 1: conditioned by this town, in this industry to think thirty
Speaker 1: five years older, the female artist is old. You've been
Speaker 1: conditioned to think that, and I'm telling you now it
Speaker 1: is not old. Like I cannot wait for new show
Speaker 1: chrome music in country like. It doesn't matter to me
Speaker 1: if the artist is good. I don't care how old
Speaker 1: they are. I don't care young they are. I don't
Speaker 1: care if they're sixteen. Make a great soul, but you've
Speaker 1: been conditioned. And I don't think that way about other people,
Speaker 1: but I do feel I think, but it's probably back
Speaker 1: to what you were saying. It's like you think everyone's
Speaker 1: obsessed with you the way he CRUs with yourself, and
Speaker 1: no one actually gives us unless you're Sam Hunt. Nobody cares,
Speaker 1: but cares, and even I'm like, dang Sam like that Instagram.
Speaker 1: But even that because like Sam Vogan and that here's
Speaker 1: the frustrating part for me as a show. It's like
Speaker 1: I don't have and Mike knows me well because Mike
Speaker 1: and I spend most of our days together outside of
Speaker 1: the show. Like I don't hang out with anybody, but
Speaker 1: I know everybody and I know I know the good guys.
Speaker 1: I know the guys that I would never hang out
Speaker 1: within a million years, um, but that's just human nature.
Speaker 1: And like Sam's a good dude. Like I like Sam
Speaker 1: a lot, and I know stuff it like I saw
Speaker 1: the interimbody. I knew that was immediately, and it's still
Speaker 1: a lot that like people are arguing about it, and
Speaker 1: I could go on the show comments that fine line
Speaker 1: of like I know Sam, I know who that girl is.
Speaker 1: I just there's a part of my human nous that's
Speaker 1: like unless I talk to Sam and he's like, go
Speaker 1: for it, I'm not gonna do it. I can't do it.
Speaker 1: Have you always known where that line is? Because that
Speaker 1: I still don't know where the okay, It's like, honestly,
Speaker 1: I don't. And I think what's my biggest weakness is
Speaker 1: my biggest strength is that I just say what I
Speaker 1: feel like I should say, and seven percent of the
Speaker 1: time it's right. It's a thirteen percent of time that
Speaker 1: gets me in trouble. Has the percentage gone up? I
Speaker 1: think I've got a little smarter and at times I've
Speaker 1: gotten a little bolder because I know and I know
Speaker 1: when it gets I'll do things sometimes but sometimes it's wrong,
Speaker 1: but it's like the it is the right move. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you an example is and I was talking about
Speaker 1: it this morning. I did interview with Rolling Stone and
Speaker 1: they were talking about the show and the Raging Idiots
Speaker 1: and the comedy and the a lot of stuff, and
Speaker 1: they were asking me what the success of the show was.
Speaker 1: I said, listen, I am the best interviewer in radio
Speaker 1: except for Howard Stern. Like artists come in and they
Speaker 1: I'm appeared to them instead of And I said it
Speaker 1: so boldly, and I knew it was going to be
Speaker 1: one of the heads. And if I wanted them, I
Speaker 1: would have put it up there as the head. And
Speaker 1: I only did it for real. Do I believe it though? Yeah,
Speaker 1: But I also put it up there as a standard
Speaker 1: that I feel like I have to achieve. Like I
Speaker 1: said that now I have to keep. It's also a goal.
Speaker 1: It's like I'm pinning it up on my board and
Speaker 1: I walk out every day and it's like slap it
Speaker 1: because every day you got to live up to it. Well,
Speaker 1: that's the thing too, if it's your giftedness, like I
Speaker 1: feel like that about even just like singing, like I
Speaker 1: do think I'm a really really good singer, but that
Speaker 1: doesn't mean like I still have to go out and
Speaker 1: prove it and at night after day, like I Babe
Speaker 1: RhoD said, the home runs you hit yesterday don't win
Speaker 1: the games today. And so I'm full of things. But
Speaker 1: my grandma and like books, like I love to read,
Speaker 1: and I love read about people too, like I'm fascinated
Speaker 1: with successful people and how they build success and the
Speaker 1: tools that they used to be Like I'm fascinated with it,
Speaker 1: and so that's why I do. I love people. I
Speaker 1: love reading about people and people that I love the
Speaker 1: faults of people and the faults or what really make humans. Well,
Speaker 1: it's what you just said that the fault is usually
Speaker 1: the other side of the coin to like whatever that
Speaker 1: really unique giftednesses or like that's really really them, you know,
Speaker 1: like that's and crazy crazy too, So let's well there's
Speaker 1: that also. Um, well, okay, so people can hear your podcast.
Speaker 1: What are you talking about on the podcast? Well, I'm
Speaker 1: actually I'm really proud of it, Like, well, the first
Speaker 1: one that came out today is called The Radio Game,
Speaker 1: and we just sort of talk about what happened with
Speaker 1: famous and then we also interview someone like from a
Speaker 1: from a label that explains like how songs make it
Speaker 1: up the charts. This there's an episode that's called That's
Speaker 1: Not Country. That's about why we love to hate on
Speaker 1: things that aren't our definition of country, Like what is
Speaker 1: that culture about? That's what's gonna be with Shane McNally. Um,
Speaker 1: there's an episode called Get Hot or Go Home. You've
Speaker 1: already take all these just know we're releasing them every
Speaker 1: two weeks where we've got to go more than that,
Speaker 1: you know, I know you have to go, but I can't.
Speaker 1: I kind of can't afford because there is a production
Speaker 1: your parents. That's always You're right. I don't have any parents,
Speaker 1: but if I did, I borrowed from them if they
Speaker 1: were living right now, I'm living with my mom. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just really it's the five has been a bit,
Speaker 1: but I've done my age. Like I'm like, not in
Speaker 1: my house right now. Yeah, I know, I think you're right.
Speaker 1: I mean, we kind of. I just because of my
Speaker 1: schedule and working, I just I can't. And it's a high.
Speaker 1: I don't say those two words. You can't say those words. Okay,
Speaker 1: I know that what I know your schedule is crazy.
Speaker 1: But what my podcast is it is a different format
Speaker 1: than what you're doing right now, and it's just it.
Speaker 1: I don't have the time to do it the way
Speaker 1: that I want to any quicker than every two weeks.
Speaker 1: I personally the way, you know what, I lose your
Speaker 1: talk when someone tells me I can't I go. You
Speaker 1: could if you really want to. I wanted to. You
Speaker 1: know what, I am a super perfectionist and super competitive,
Speaker 1: but I do think like there is a point where
Speaker 1: you said, like, I cannot do everything. I thought I
Speaker 1: could do everything forever you're talking to the guy. I
Speaker 1: thought you could do everything too, and you can't. But
Speaker 1: you have to like know and you like, I mean,
Speaker 1: you have people that help you with some of your
Speaker 1: stuff and have what I call a babysitter. It's a
Speaker 1: manager in but I have a babysitter and she is
Speaker 1: over everything that I do. Like she's not over the
Speaker 1: radio show, but the idiots, the comedy, the books, the
Speaker 1: um porno you know. Yeah, so there are there were
Speaker 1: the port account, the cat, my computer h twice in
Speaker 1: the past week. Are they hacking my Twitter? But so
Speaker 1: you know, I have like six projects going at once.
Speaker 1: It's a TV show, um, all these things. We have
Speaker 1: to have people in our lives to do this. But
Speaker 1: I'm much more. I mean I have I do have
Speaker 1: a team that's helping me, but I don't have the
Speaker 1: same sort of structor. I'm really in a lot of ways,
Speaker 1: And I mean I am creating the content myself by
Speaker 1: myself a lot of it. So yeah, I'm trying to
Speaker 1: do that balance of like I still want to believe
Speaker 1: that like I need to. I'm just telling you have
Speaker 1: to feed the people or they're just gonna go like
Speaker 1: a what's next? Ye, there's a reason shows come on
Speaker 1: every week. Okay. I know it's tough, and it doesn't
Speaker 1: have to be well, just because I want it to
Speaker 1: be really, really great. Nobody cares. Give them something compelling.
Speaker 1: Nobody cares how perfect something is. As long as it's compelling,
Speaker 1: you should work for me. It's even worse. I now,
Speaker 1: I'm like, shoot, I thought I was maybe going to
Speaker 1: go to sleep tonight, and I'm like, no, I can't
Speaker 1: go to sleep tonight. Yeah, you know what happened today? No, No,
Speaker 1: this whole thing. We come in and we heard this
Speaker 1: whole thing here, and it's like whatever. But you also
Speaker 1: like being compelled. It's all the key with songs with
Speaker 1: me talking with you just have to be compelling. That's it.
Speaker 1: At the end of story, you have a perfect if
Speaker 1: it's about perfect speaking that is. That is a real
Speaker 1: problem for me, for sure. I mean, like I believe
Speaker 1: if I if I make it perfect, it will do better.
Speaker 1: And that actually isn't It is rarely true. If you
Speaker 1: take it down a notch in quality and add up
Speaker 1: to notches and quantity, it will be better, and I'm
Speaker 1: now even like I'm a tail here podcast from nothing
Speaker 1: he had one had no fault, nothing, and he started
Speaker 1: doing a punk rock podcast I think turned into like
Speaker 1: a punk rock it would be a message board something.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you guys are stressing me out. Now
Speaker 1: I go home. Winners stress loser's rest. There you go.
Speaker 1: I just made that one up. Write that one that
Speaker 1: that was quoted to me. All right, listen Kelly Bannons,
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you can check out her blog and
Speaker 1: her her once she did a podcast every six months
Speaker 1: since I was able to. Could you don't have to
Speaker 1: drink such a jerk about it? I do kind of Um,
Speaker 1: I want the best for you. Do you know that's
Speaker 1: really nice? Like I do. Think that's why I say that,
Speaker 1: Kelly Bannon k E L L E I g H.
Speaker 1: That's how you spell it. Um. So you can find
Speaker 1: cheap sunglasses in the record. You can download it. You can.
Speaker 1: You're out playing shows them. I wish I was playing
Speaker 1: more shows, but I am. I am out playing a
Speaker 1: decent amount of shows. I don't even know how we met,
Speaker 1: how do we meet? We met? Actually, I have a
Speaker 1: really vivid memory of meeting you, which I hope it
Speaker 1: doesn't freak you out, but um, like I know what
Speaker 1: I was wearing. I had. That was a really vivid
Speaker 1: day for me. It was CRS. Do you remember how
Speaker 1: you think about you? Though it's just an example of
Speaker 1: us going back, but I remember. I mean I actually
Speaker 1: think you were dressed up, which isn't like how I
Speaker 1: think of you normally. I kind of want to think
Speaker 1: you were in like a suit or something. Maybe maybe
Speaker 1: I was like, No, it was CRS is like a
Speaker 1: radio convention. Yeah, and it was that that the fan
Speaker 1: part where it's not a fan part, it's like where
Speaker 1: you go and just sign you know. No, I was
Speaker 1: signing and you were probably coming from a signing and um,
Speaker 1: like I think probably like promo. My promo team was
Speaker 1: like introducing me, but I had already heard the show. Um,
Speaker 1: because it's your show started on my birthday. And that's
Speaker 1: like a really symbolic day for me for a lot
Speaker 1: of reasons, obviously, like I was bestie because of your show. Um,
Speaker 1: I didn't want to take it like too heavy, so
Speaker 1: I was like I'm backtracking now, I'm like, oh, shoot,
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have that. But you but we met Okay,
Speaker 1: So we met and I just like, I, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I just had that left an impression on me that moment,
Speaker 1: that that moment, that conversation. It did jerk. No, I wasn't.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know why you like to think that.
Speaker 1: People think that about everybody is annoyed with me all
Speaker 1: the time. I think that now I think everybody I
Speaker 1: think I'm super annoy and I might be. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you a story. This is an awful story has happened,
Speaker 1: like last week is awful. And so I get an
Speaker 1: email and the truth about emails. I can't keep up
Speaker 1: with my email, my workingmi. I can't keep up with Twitter,
Speaker 1: and I see every tweet sent to me. I see.
Speaker 1: I make that a priority. I see most of Instagram.
Speaker 1: I don't look at Facebook a whole lot because that's
Speaker 1: just fighting ground and it makes me feel negative. So
Speaker 1: the comments on Facebook, I'll go over Facebook is it's
Speaker 1: like the bad part of town. You know, you only
Speaker 1: go into bad part time daylight. So I look in
Speaker 1: the Facebook comments wonder like, hey, to tell me something
Speaker 1: good story. Otherwise again, you don't go into bad part time, don't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And the people so just don't ever read the comments
Speaker 1: on any YouTube video. Is my advice to you people
Speaker 1: if you want to not be sad, are amazing behind
Speaker 1: the computer, amazing critics and amazing at what they do.
Speaker 1: So anyway, um, and so I try to read many
Speaker 1: emails as possible. I sit in my room, I'm reading
Speaker 1: email out through email and a listener says, hey, you
Speaker 1: didn't say hi to me. You were a complete jerk.
Speaker 1: And I was like, man, I've never in my life
Speaker 1: that I know of like blown someone off. Ever, not
Speaker 1: one time in my life have I ever that I
Speaker 1: know of blown someone off like to to find like
Speaker 1: you see them and you would go the other way,
Speaker 1: or you don't say hi on purposes that what you
Speaker 1: mean by blowing or if somebody comes he goes hey Bobby.
Speaker 1: I never like my show would not exist if it
Speaker 1: weren't for the people listening to it. And I know
Speaker 1: where my bread is buttered, and it's the people that
Speaker 1: listen to the show every day. Like so she says, hey,
Speaker 1: you didn't say hi to me. Actually you were a
Speaker 1: total jerk. And I was like, let me read this
Speaker 1: more into this, And so I replied back to her
Speaker 1: and said, hey, where because I was curious as to
Speaker 1: where I was a jerk was it wasn't. But she
Speaker 1: never came up to me. She saw me in the
Speaker 1: same room and I'm gonna tell you I'm not Mr Gagarris.
Speaker 1: I'm not talking to everybody because I feel like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm annoying. So she she didn't come up to me
Speaker 1: and say hi, and she sent me an email of
Speaker 1: the house. Since I wasn't walking around the room saying
Speaker 1: hid everybody. I was a complete I think dick was
Speaker 1: the word she used. And so she was like, uh,
Speaker 1: you really let me down. And so I said where
Speaker 1: did we meet? What we didn't meet? I just saw
Speaker 1: you across the room, and so I replied back, I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, sorry about that. And my my cousin
Speaker 1: just died, So you didn't sorry, you really said this.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to make it kind of feel like
Speaker 1: she made me feel that's okay. Yeah, And then I
Speaker 1: replied back, I was like, Okay, I didn't die, but
Speaker 1: you didn't meet me. So I didn't think it was fair.
Speaker 1: But I let her sit on that because I died
Speaker 1: email for like twenty minutes. Did I did? But that's interesting,
Speaker 1: like fan culture like they expected like and I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to be mean, but she thought you should have
Speaker 1: worked the room. I don't. I don't work room like
Speaker 1: that's hard. It's actually really hard to do that, like
Speaker 1: you know, work their own problems. But it's feels awkward,
Speaker 1: like you don't know that they want to meet you.
Speaker 1: That's the thing most people don't. Most people don't care.
Speaker 1: They're like the guy on the radio who cares Hey
Speaker 1: and Bobby Bobby ponies in the radio. Would you like
Speaker 1: to meet me and get a picture? I would never
Speaker 1: do that, it's so awesome. Could you please do that?
Speaker 1: But I did. I would sent her a nice note
Speaker 1: after I let that one sit for a minute. I
Speaker 1: didn't think it was fun. I did laugh because I'm
Speaker 1: twisted and I know, I know, but it was me
Speaker 1: for anyway. It's getting hot in this room too, because
Speaker 1: it's like my house a hundred degrees. But I no no,
Speaker 1: I say, hey, listen, I'm really sorry to happen. But
Speaker 1: if you would to hide to me next time, I
Speaker 1: would love to say hi and talk and take pictures
Speaker 1: or whatever whatever you want, like I don't anyway. Um,
Speaker 1: that's well, makes for the whole email about your cousin dying. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I didn't drink anybody. They didn't really die. Um,
Speaker 1: that's it. Mike. Is there anything that you've heard that
Speaker 1: you want to follow up on? No, I'm good. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, like, if I wouldn't guess
Speaker 1: how old you were, I would say, oh my, I've
Speaker 1: never known you all my love forever. Yeah, you tell them,
Speaker 1: you'd be like, okay, thirty four. I would have got four.
Speaker 1: I hadn't I didn't know how old you were. I
Speaker 1: probably would have put it at about thirty one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: probably because I'm so wise. Yeah, you're like Gandoff from
Speaker 1: What the Game with? No, Yeah, you're like Gandalf from
Speaker 1: Lord of the Rings one point five million dollars to
Speaker 1: be in the Facebook guy's wedding just to stand there,
Speaker 1: and he turned it down. All they asked because they
Speaker 1: did a theme and they offered the guy that plays
Speaker 1: Gandoff what you know, his name, sir Ian McClellan or whatever,
Speaker 1: one point five million dollars just to stand in costume,
Speaker 1: and he said, no, you don't want to do it. Wow.
Speaker 1: That is kind of like, Wow, you must have a
Speaker 1: lot of money if you can say no to a
Speaker 1: million dollars or you're just old and don't care, or yeah,
Speaker 1: but he's probably both. Got Mike, is are what where
Speaker 1: we at? On time? Almost an hour? Okay, Kelly Bannett,
Speaker 1: thank you for hanging today. Thank you this Nashville life.
Speaker 1: You can look at pictures and words, and you can
Speaker 1: listen to her podcast and really like check out the
Speaker 1: album and however you check it out and stream it,
Speaker 1: download it whatever, because in reality, you're gonna do whatever
Speaker 1: you're gonna do anyway out there listening. This is a landlock,
Speaker 1: my damn. And this is Cheap Sunglasses, which is the
Speaker 1: title track Cheap Sunless. I feel like we gotta go
Speaker 1: honest talk to you. I thank you. I do too.
Speaker 1: That was I think you kinda need to be a
Speaker 1: little more um more confident with yourself. God. You know what,
Speaker 1: you're the second person that told me that today. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I also probably wouldn't say that. Back to that comment,
Speaker 1: you're you're well, no, well, you know what it's because
Speaker 1: it's the person that said it is like, you're, like,
Speaker 1: I think of Nada as so similar to you in
Speaker 1: a lot of what she said that to me earlier,
Speaker 1: because we were but we were having like serious talk
Speaker 1: and I was like baring my soul and she was like,
Speaker 1: you need to be more confident. That will also cut you,
Speaker 1: like not as the closest thing to me. Like no,
Speaker 1: I think y'all are super similar and that's why when
Speaker 1: we fight, it's we can also wipe it away in
Speaker 1: like one second, it's like and then it's like, all right,
Speaker 1: we're we're nuts. Uh. There's also a cool um cover
Speaker 1: that Kelly did. Let it go, James Bay, come on
Speaker 1: you And I didn't know until I saw it again.
Speaker 1: You want to Pip and Joy hat and they was I, yeah, good,
Speaker 1: I like my Pimp and Joy hat. Thank you, Kelly,
Speaker 1: thank you. I hope everything goes awesome for you. Let
Speaker 1: me throw it over to our announcer and out who's
Speaker 1: standing by ready to act. I'm ready to get us
Speaker 1: out of here. All right now it's back over to
Speaker 1: you all. Thanks Bobby. That's it for this week. What
Speaker 1: episode We're happened for the episode four other Bobby guests
Speaker 1: from Bobby's House. A guest today has been Kelly Bannon,
Speaker 1: your producers always, Mike d At, Mike d stro D,
Speaker 1: E E. S. T r oh on all of them. Hey, Kelly,
Speaker 1: what's your name on all your stuff? Kelly Vannon. She
Speaker 1: spelled it so funny, though, I know my mom did
Speaker 1: that at K E L L E I G H
Speaker 1: B A N N E N oh my don't, my goodness.
Speaker 1: And then uh, I'm your host. He was your host,
Speaker 1: Bobby Bollings and thanks to our sponsor no one yet.
Speaker 1: All right, we'll see you next week on the Bobby Cast. Goodbye, everyone,