WEBVTT - 8-24: Bobby Cast Ep. 4 (Kelleigh Bannen) 0:00:01.960 --> 0:00:07.640 All right. Episode four, Episode four of the Bobby Casts. 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:12.479 Welcome everyone. I'm your host, Bobby Bones, and Kelly Bannon 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:17.200 is here and as always know how to do anything. 0:00:17.880 --> 0:00:20.319 She is. She too odd, I feel a little loud. 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:24.680 All right, you're good. Mike Destro is our producer. Mike 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:26.360 you good, good. All right. So the first time we 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:27.840 have like a real guest. We've had people in here, 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:30.600 but we haven't had anyone long form yet. So it's you. 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:33.720 Kelly Bannon's here. Her name is spelled funny. If you 0:00:33.720 --> 0:00:36.000 do look it up, it's like k E L L 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:39.840 E I g h p p l's like that. Yeah. 0:00:39.960 --> 0:00:43.000 So here's here's some of Kelly song landlocked here. Maybe 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:44.800 you've heard it on the show before. We might be 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:50.920 it might be damn Hi, we can build a sax 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:59.760 in the back, pick up, chucking up, don't get get off, 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:09.000 stop everybody on the So. Kelly walked up to my house, 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:12.080 which has been flooded for a while, and so, I mean, 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:14.839 I talked about how it's a war zone. It's bad. 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:18.000 It's like that's really bad. And I was telling you, 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:20.360 like my house is all torn up right now, and 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:23.440 it's it's not it's very dramatic here, like if all 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:26.440 the hallway is like there's nothing at all, it's hot. 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:28.600 It's really hot. Not to be deva. It was like, 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:34.360 it's okay, it's this is because I've been here one 0:01:34.400 --> 0:01:37.479 other time and it's kind of a swanky place. Yeah, 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:40.959 it's it's swanky for an older building. I think it's 0:01:40.959 --> 0:01:45.360 a cool, lofty building. And so it's hot in my bedroom, 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:46.920 which I'm not able to move in yet because they 0:01:46.959 --> 0:01:51.080 have heaters and dehydrators and defibrillators. I don't know what 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:53.440 they have in that room. So I have heat coming 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:54.600 up into the room and then I have the heat 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:56.800 coming from the side because all the hall is torn up. 0:01:57.040 --> 0:01:59.160 So I wake up like I had the flu. I 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:01.680 wake up and night sweats and or it feels like 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:03.240 a pie the bed, like one of the two every 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:05.480 time I wake up at night. So I'm sorry I 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:08.160 had to walk through that. But to counter that, you 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:14.280 do look like crap. So yeah, you know, not not 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:16.960 your face. I'm just saying you obviously just came from 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:19.360 marking out. Just the rest of you looks like crap. 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:25.959 That means you didn't feel any pressure that that here's 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:29.280 the thing, Like, Okay, so this is what girls think about? 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:30.760 Do you want to do you want to know what 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:34.480 girls think about? Why don't you tell me what I 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:38.000 think about? You probably do know. I was all the 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:42.120 time like, literally so this, I didn't have anything today 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:45.320 that I needed to look like an artist for which 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:48.760 means I didn't shower and I worked out this morning 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:50.760 early with my trainer, and then I had just like 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:53.120 a bunch of meetings but not anything where I needed 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:56.440 to like look pretty. And so I was like, if 0:02:56.440 --> 0:03:00.320 I'm going to literally only shower for Bobby, wasn't what 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:03.320 the only show? Because No? Here's why though, because that's 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:05.560 like kind of like I feel weird if I like 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:07.720 feel like I'm trying too hard. And I was like, 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:12.280 I think makeup, and it would have been like only 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:13.920 for you, which would have been like I would have 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:17.320 felt awkward, felt like a first date except kind of awkward. Right, 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:21.760 So I just rolled up in here. Yeah, Kelly Bannon, 0:03:22.040 --> 0:03:25.359 nasty Mike. We'll start with Mike's three questions Mike. Every 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:27.320 time we've had a guest in, Mike, leave to three 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:29.880 questions Mike. Question number one for Kelly Bannon, go ahead, 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:33.520 Question number one, favorite Snapchat filter, Favorite oh, like, there 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:40.640 he's bringing the hard stuff. Okay, I like truthfully, I 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:44.160 like the advertising ones a lot of times, you know, 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:46.960 like you know, the ones that are like the ones 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:49.320 that are like they've they've paid for them for like 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:53.080 a promotional purpose. Because here's the problem with the Snapchat filters. 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:55.840 If you do like one of the like breaths that 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:57.840 the girls are all into, like the flower crown or 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:00.160 the butterflies, then you know, you people know you need 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:02.400 to look pretty, And if you do like the puppy, 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:06.120 you could put one of those on both of us. Now. Actually, 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:08.120 I do like the bee, though the bee makes me 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:11.200 crack of didn't makes you Yeah, you can just be stupid. 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:16.720 Oh well, the one I don't like is the one 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:18.400 that looked just like me and has like the glasses 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:28.080 in the braces and they too. Question to last TV 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:34.159 show you watched? Oh gosh, oh okay. We live with 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:35.799 my mom right now because we're not in our house 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:38.000 and my mom has Fox News on all day, so 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:40.400 I haven't really it's not I haven't watched, but it's 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:43.000 like it's just Fox News all the time in the 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:46.360 background on I haven't watched the TV show in a minute, though, 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:49.800 last question, Mike d Our, producer, and your favorite boy 0:04:49.839 --> 0:04:59.279 band in sync always really yeah, bactually started it that 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:01.200 whole phase in scene kind of took it home. They 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:05.320 finished it like they closed it out. See I I 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:07.960 feel like it's like the best sing me your favorite 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:10.280 Backstreet Boys song? Then? What what would be your favorite 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:14.839 Backstreet Boys song? Okay, well, okay, now that is good. 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:17.360 It's a good one. Wait what was that one New 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:20.320 Kids on the New Kids on the Block that was 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:23.720 like when at least like I was in early middle 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:25.880 school and it was soretty young for you, Mike, but 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:34.680 for us. But Backstreet Boys best song probably I don't 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:38.320 know what he does to make you cray, but obvious 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:44.039 make you smile. I don't have no fancy cup. Yeah 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:48.159 to get to you, I walk a thousand? What is 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:53.640 that gonna called? All I have to give? But the 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:56.120 best Backstree Boys song does not hold up to Gone 0:05:56.520 --> 0:05:59.800 from in Sync and Gone wasn't even their biggest song. 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:03.799 But wait, you cover something? I've seen you cover something 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:08.200 from What do you cover or did you? Um? I 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:10.480 don't know. We come, We kind of come to everything 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:14.039 as we go. But like bye bye bye is better 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:17.320 than anything that that Baxter Boys put out. It's gonna 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:21.080 be me. That's better than anything to Backstreet Boys. But 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:37.600 you're crazy, Yeah, even like pop pop. I mean, that's 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:47.080 a girlfriend with nell A too friends. I mean, and 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:49.120 then their best song, and it wasn't even their biggest song. 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:50.840 But I think Gone was like the coolest song. It 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:53.280 was all black and white. Remember the music video video. 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:55.599 I actually don't remember that video. You know, the song 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:57.640 like the circus needs to clown. I'm not sure that 0:06:57.680 --> 0:07:00.000 I do like a mind. Oh, this is the greatest 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:02.679 then Sink song ever, and you guys are totally missed. 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:05.480 You missed it. I don't want to. I don't think 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:07.680 I know it. It was late in sync. I'm gonna 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:10.960 break off a little bit. This is instinct Gone, by 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:20.160 the way, Kelly Bannon's here, there's a thousand said that. 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:23.000 Oh yeah, this is such a great melody too. You know, 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:29.080 what are you talking about so long? Like this is 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:31.680 like justin Timberlake solo career, right before it was justin 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:35.040 Timberlake solo career. But he does sound like a baby though. 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:44.120 To me, you acting so strange, acting so strange. Maybe 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:51.240 I was too blood to chee that you needed a change. Well, 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:54.760 is it something the ship to make it turn away, 0:07:55.320 --> 0:08:00.760 make you walk out? Andy me cold fucking just found 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:04.400 me to make it so that you all right here, 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:13.440 here we go, Mike Bissing, get you off my march 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:16.960 of my hardest to bee the man and be strong, 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:30.080 draw myself and say true read made you go, God 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:36.920 baby go, oh you go baby girl. Man, that was 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:40.559 a damn and I'm glad you did that that. I'm like, okay, 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:43.080 I want to go back and listen. There's more than 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:46.120 bye bye bye great like in stinc is great in 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:51.440 order of our lifetime and sink at one boy new 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:53.760 Gets on the block was that was such a big deal? 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:56.120 I was. We were so young though, I like, I 0:08:56.120 --> 0:08:58.920 don't think we got to experience you remember girls like 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:01.480 like and sleep over Party is having like the VHS 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:06.520 of their video and like sleeping with like the video. Yeah, yeah, 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:13.560 vhs you have? How do you? Okay? Um, that's a tape. 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:15.600 It's one of those rectangled things and used to put 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:17.360 in like this big monster that a hole in it 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:19.400 and it would suck it in and then play it 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:23.400 on your TV. He's crazy, don't worry about Yeah, we'll 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:30.000 google it later. Backstreet in Sync, New Kids, probably Backstreet. 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:32.160 I don't know if you consider Boys the men a 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:35.680 boy band, because then they get into the whole Joe 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:38.480 to see. I'm gonna say boys and not a boy band. 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:41.880 I'm gonna say they're there because they didn't dance. To 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:43.760 be a boy band, you have to be put on 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:47.679 a lot of dance too. With the singing boys them 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:49.720 in they were good because they sang really well. Like 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:52.120 the package of a boy band has to be. You 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:57.319 have to be young vocalists and do a lot of dances, 0:09:57.320 --> 0:10:00.800 a lot of dancing. So okay, I go in Sync, 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:08.080 New Kids, Backstreet Boys. I mean, like I was going 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:13.640 to ask you that those guys are really good musicians, 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:15.200 so I wouldn't put him in a boy band group 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:17.600 like I loved oh Town, who was the guy that 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:21.480 just died that was like somebody's major manager, and so 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:24.560 he was. He created all these groups, Backstreet, in Sync, 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:29.120 oh Town. And he also and there are allegations against 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:32.320 him for doing improper things. He created LFO like that 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:35.120 was his thing. But he got in trouble for a 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:39.439 Ponzi scheme that was even bigger than the one that 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:42.440 the Bernie Madoff had. You know what does not make 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:44.160 sense to me about that is like think about what 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:46.559 he was making back then, with the kind of record 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:48.800 stills they had, Like why would you do that? Because 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:53.120 never get enough? Period? Like ever, the richest people I 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:56.560 know are still out. It doesn't matter with money, No 0:10:56.600 --> 0:11:00.200 one's ever just contend. I don't know anyone who just like, 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:02.560 I'm good to where I am. Do you know anybody 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:05.800 who like, Okay, you're right, You're right. Everybody's like at 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:08.360 the same time, just think about me a little bit. 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:10.280 What's like what people say about when the people win 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:13.880 the lottery, Like their happiness goes down because they don't 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:16.040 know what to do and they start to see the 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:19.640 relationships that they have and don't have and what they meet. Yeah, 0:11:19.760 --> 0:11:22.760 but I don't know anybody that goes let me just 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:26.040 get it look a little poor better. It's a little poor. 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:28.920 It's always let me just start to get a little richer. 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:33.080 Even you know the richest billionaires is they do that. 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:35.080 But with that, I play you one of the best 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:37.760 boy band songs of all time, But this one right here, 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:44.559 All or Nothing from Otown Top five boy band songs, 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:47.440 even though they're not one of the talk three or 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:50.280 four boy bands. I went and hung out. I hung 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:52.199 out with them in Portland for like a whole night. 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:55.480 Once they weren't nice to Jacob. He was one of 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:57.560 the guys in the band. Is a whole story. But 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:02.000 then's the champ. Yeah, these guys had what was that chorus? Though? 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:07.600 I know I know that Okay god, okay, yeah, thank you? 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:11.480 Oh yeah that was a jam. Uh so that was fun. 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:15.120 Kelly Bannon's here. You have a new website that's up 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:18.640 and it's called This Nationale Life. Yes, it's like a blog, 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:22.720 I know, roll your eyes. That's where everything. No, no, 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:25.800 it's not that everything is going there, but it's just 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:30.280 hard to cut through because everybody has one. But everybody's 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:33.640 going there, and everyone has one, and there will be 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:38.880 those that thrive huge, but most won't. It's like all 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:41.439 of it. It's all the whole thing. It's like artists 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:45.400 of music and artists of of in radio and artists 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:48.960 of whatever. The really good ones will cut through and 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:50.720 go to the top. One thing that I have learned 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:53.600 through my lifetime is the cream always rises. Eventually, the 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:55.920 cream always rises. It might take a little longer for 0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:59.680 the cream to rise because of scenarios or circumstances. But 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:02.720 early do I see somebody that's so good and they 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:06.240 have a healthy head, and they don't make it unless 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:10.080 they quit, you know what I mean. If you you quit, 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:14.280 you didn't really want it anymore. So the cream always rises. 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:15.600 And the same thing with blogs and the same thing 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:18.520 with with podcasts. Like you see guys like Joe Rogan 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:20.160 and guys that have been at it for a long 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:24.280 time and have huge followings and because they're just good, compelling, 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:28.720 um and so yours. It's called this national life called Naville. 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:31.000 There's a blog and there's a podcast that actually started 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:34.000 to do yeah. Um, so there was. I had no 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:35.840 idea and I was like, hey, why don't you come up. 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:37.440 I didn't know she was in a media tour today 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:42.160 yesterday and I was like, hey, come by the house 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:44.640 and do that. So what's the blog about? The blog? Okay? 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:46.839 So I was in like I was in my record 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:50.160 deal and music wasn't coming out, and oh man, that 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:52.640 was like that was awesome. What car was that used 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:54.240 to do? What was that? The thing you heard was 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:57.760 a NASCAR hood that had my name on it that 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:00.280 we have propped up against The wallet fell? Why what's 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:11.160 the tape about? Okay, so, um so this national life 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:14.040 the bog started just because well, one, I think there's 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:15.960 a lot of really fun, cool things that go along 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:18.400 with being an artist, like especially for girls, Like there's 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:21.280 the glamy stuff in the fashion and like you get 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:23.200 to do cool stuff, you know, we get to meet 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:26.120 really neat people. And so part of me was like, 0:14:26.120 --> 0:14:28.280 like there's some neat stories to be told and fans 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:29.600 want to know about it. And I wasn't able to 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:31.240 put music out because I was you know, it was 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:33.640 just kind of we were between sort of we were 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:38.000 still at Universal and trying to find that next single 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:42.000 record label. Yeah yeah, And I just was trying to 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:44.440 look for a way to connect with fans. And I 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:46.920 wanted to take my story back a little bit too, 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:49.520 and um, not in like a bad way, just in 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:52.560 like I wanted to be the person telling my story. 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:56.160 And I also feel like like I've I'm not super young, 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:58.440 Like I have a lot of experiences and I've had 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:00.520 a lot of heartache, and I just like I can 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:03.240 tell like, I think there's a gift in telling your 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:04.960 story and sharing it with I think that's what you 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:08.600 do so incredibly well too. It's like you don't give everything, 0:15:08.720 --> 0:15:11.080 you can't be vulnerable about every single thing. But when 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:12.920 you can be vulnerable about something like it can be 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:15.320 a real gift to other people. I love boy bands. 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:20.440 You know you're vulnerable than that. So this Nashville Life 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:22.720 will talk more about that in a minute. Yeah, I 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:24.200 want to ask you about like a record deal that 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:26.160 we talked about, the records and stuff. How old were 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:28.480 you when you get your first record deal? So that's 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:31.080 kind of old actually already for a female, it is 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:33.840 older ish to get a first record deal. Yeah, And 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:36.200 when we talk in terms here of age, we talk 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:38.480 in artists terms. There's the thing on the show where 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:41.960 we talk when you compare celebrity guys and girls on looks. 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:44.720 There's the celebrity scale and there's the normal. I went 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:46.560 telling the truth about do you want I can give 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:48.520 you my artist age, then we can back that up. 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:51.000 I got signed in to my record deal at twenty four, 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:55.480 so you were active. I'm with twenty eight when I 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:59.120 got signed and they knew it and yeah, older than Yeah, 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:03.200 a lot of the like you not, you know, probably 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:05.600 I got more hung up on that than they ever did. 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:07.600 I mean, they don't. They're not going to be like 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:10.680 she's thirty who you know? But like I think as 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:13.040 long as I looked pretty good and like I didn't 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:16.080 look super old. So if you're twenty eight and you 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:17.720 get signed, how that? How did it happen? Where you 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:19.600 get a deal? Do you go out and do you 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:21.640 I think a lot of listeners would like to know 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:23.720 how this works. Do you go and say I will 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:25.880 be playing at this bar. Anyone who wants to come 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:27.360 and watch me can come watch me, and anyone has 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:29.960 to sign me can sign me. Well, you know, nowadays 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:33.800 it's different, but like then, okay to to this day, 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:37.280 they still do this thing called artist pitches, where like, okay, 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:40.160 let's say you let's say you're a manager, you're a producer, 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:42.000 and you have and you're working with the Raging Idiots. 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:43.880 I know this isn't how this happened for the Raging Idiots. 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:47.040 I don't think that, but like, so, okay, we've got 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:49.720 this band, like they they're really cool, We've got some side, 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:52.160 we've got some songs, some recordings of them, and like 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:55.200 you set meetings with an r that's like who signs 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:57.880 people at record labels and you go in there like 0:16:58.200 --> 0:17:00.840 almost like a conference room performance, like you play for them? 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:05.000 How did you? That's what I found had a manager. No, 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:08.280 Actually the way I got found was I did this 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:11.040 tour in two thousand nine called ninety Gigs and ninety 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:14.760 Days and how to Recovery tie in. It was like 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:18.399 to honor um, like the one year anniversary of my 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:20.439 younger brother passing away, and I just didn't know what 0:17:20.480 --> 0:17:21.840 to do with that anniversary. So I was like, I'm 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:24.600 gonna go play a bunch of shows. And it's like 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:28.280 main national News and Paul Worley, who's a really famous 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:30.679 producer here in town. He produced the Dixie Chicks and 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:36.199 Sarah Evans, Martin McBride, Lady Anabelle um Um. He like, 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:37.919 I think he just read about me and he was 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:40.720 like she's just crazy enough, like I'll take a meeting 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:42.280 with her. And I just went and played for him, 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:46.280 just me and my guitar. I'm saying, like you know 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:48.679 these So I mean, I wasn't even writing in in 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:51.120 mainstream music row at that time. I was writing by 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:54.240 myself and with like a couple other people. Yeah my song. 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:56.560 So I was singing in front of this guy, singing 0:17:56.560 --> 0:17:59.199 in front this guy in his office, and he his 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:01.200 job would be if he likes if he said yes 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:05.600 to manage, you know, to produced, yes to make Okay, 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:07.879 so you're going to play an he likes you, and 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:10.080 he's like you okay, we're gonna He was really, I mean, 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:11.840 Paul is a huge part of my story, but he 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:14.639 was like okay, cool, Like this is happening in the meeting. 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:18.560 He's like, uh, we're going to make a record together. 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:20.679 Now you need to go write the songs. And I 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:23.120 have a lot of connections and tell him obviously, so 0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:25.880 I'm gonna help you get in with songwriters. He said 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:27.920 he had the connections. I mean, he's just like, I'm 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:30.080 going to help you get those co writes and you're 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:32.440 gonna go write your record and we're gonna, we're gonna, 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:35.119 we're gonna make music together. So you made a record 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:37.480 before you got a deal. We did like half a record. 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:40.480 And so do you take the music to different record 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:43.159 companies and you say, here's what it sounds like. And 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:47.200 so who signed you? Mike Dungan and Autumn House at 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:50.879 what was then Capitol Records but it is now Universal Records. Okay, 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:53.440 so they signed you under the pretense of you're gonna 0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:55.119 be an artist, they tell you what kind of artists 0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:57.400 you needed to be. They actually signed me to something 0:18:57.400 --> 0:18:59.760 that doesn't happen anymore, which is called a development deal. 0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:02.760 But it was like, yeah, we really love what you're doing. 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:06.480 And like other other record labels had passed on me too, 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:09.399 Like we were pitching a couple different places, but and 0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:11.399 then one was still like in the conversation, but and 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:13.440 I really loved them over there. They had so many 0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:15.840 artists that I really admired. I was like, oh, like 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:17.440 what I want to be a part of what they're doing. 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:20.520 And yeah, so they are like essentially they're like you 0:19:20.560 --> 0:19:22.800 gotta go right, Yeah, you gotta go right that right, 0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:27.800 that hit right those right, that first single right, that album? Um, yeah, 0:19:27.960 --> 0:19:29.800 so you go and you get a record deal. People 0:19:29.800 --> 0:19:30.960 think you get a record deal, so you make a 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:33.560 lot of money immediately. I mean, you do get a 0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:36.400 little bit of a signing bonus, but like, what's what's 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:38.439 a little bit of a signing bonus. I think at 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:41.720 the end of the day, my signing bonus was forty 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:44.400 dollars or fifty thousand dollars. That's not nothing. Just needs 0:19:44.440 --> 0:19:46.800 at But then I had probably twenty thousand and legal 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:50.919 fees fifteen or twenty thousand and legal fees, And that's 0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:53.359 the that's the first check you get from the record label, 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:55.840 and you don't get another check from the record label 0:19:56.440 --> 0:19:59.560 until you've made back all the money that they spend 0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:03.240 on you, essentially, or you're making your or they put 0:20:03.240 --> 0:20:05.399 out an album and then you make another album, and 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:07.520 they advance you money, usually at the front end of 0:20:07.520 --> 0:20:09.800 each album cycle, so it's called like a recoup. So 0:20:10.080 --> 0:20:12.399 for example, if it takes ten dollars to make a 0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:16.080 record and the record makes thirteen dollars, you don't even 0:20:16.119 --> 0:20:18.200 start to get paid until the extra three dollars comes 0:20:18.440 --> 0:20:20.320 and you only get a fraction of the three dollars, 0:20:20.320 --> 0:20:24.480 which is very small. So, and people don't buy records, 0:20:24.480 --> 0:20:26.720 and people don't they really people don't buy music, and 0:20:26.720 --> 0:20:28.600 and and in five years, people just don't get to 0:20:28.600 --> 0:20:32.159 buy music, like it's not convenient. The making of music 0:20:32.200 --> 0:20:34.640 to be bought is not going to be a thing 0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:38.600 in five to ten years, it'll be a boutique thing. 0:20:39.160 --> 0:20:41.040 But where it's going to go as people are gonna 0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:43.000 have an artists are gonna have to find ways to 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:46.000 monetize their music in different ways, and you know touring 0:20:46.040 --> 0:20:50.600 obviously and in merchandise obviously, but do you do special 0:20:50.680 --> 0:20:54.240 Facebook live shows? Do you fan experience? That's where the 0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:55.639 that's where the money is going to have to come, 0:20:55.680 --> 0:20:57.920 because you're already seeing no money come from music and 0:20:57.960 --> 0:20:59.800 so labels are trying to figure it out artists or 0:20:59.800 --> 0:21:03.200 trying to figure it out. And so you're with Universal 0:21:03.320 --> 0:21:05.000 and you decided to put out a single. What was 0:21:05.040 --> 0:21:07.199 the first single? The first single was called Sorry on 0:21:07.240 --> 0:21:10.000 the Rocks, and it actually got to thirty six, so 0:21:10.040 --> 0:21:12.520 it was my highest charting song. It wasn't like the 0:21:12.560 --> 0:21:15.000 highest selling, but it was the highest charting song that 0:21:15.040 --> 0:21:21.520 we put Clearly, he didn't I wasn't in the format 0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:24.760 you weren't. I don't know when when did you come? Yeah? 0:21:24.840 --> 0:21:27.760 It was two thou twelve here Sorry on the Rocks. 0:21:28.240 --> 0:21:29.919 So you have the song. Do you feel like it's 0:21:29.920 --> 0:21:34.200 going to be a huge hit? I mean I did? 0:21:35.160 --> 0:21:40.000 I did? I did? I mean, yeah, what are you 0:21:40.240 --> 0:21:47.080 talking about? I don't really want to do this on 0:21:47.160 --> 0:21:51.840 the I can get to the chorus, get to the chorus, 0:21:51.880 --> 0:21:59.359