WEBVTT - Ep. 423: Render - Villines Logging 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:17.200 My name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production of 0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:21.400 the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render where 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:25.720 we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the scenes 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:30.520 of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f h 0:00:30.760 --> 0:00:35.360 F Gear, American Maid, purpose built hunting and fishing gear 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:38.560 that's designed to be as rugged as the place. As 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:49.440 we explore, this is a great debate what to do 0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:53.000 right now. We do we stay in the heated conversation, 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:56.920 very interesting conversation we were having, but we would have 0:00:56.960 --> 0:00:58.960 to inform the listeners what we're talking to. Or do 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:01.960 we just start off? Who's here? Hard to say. 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:03.120 It's a roll of the dice. 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:05.240 I'm going to start off, and we're going to go 0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:08.680 in the middle. So I've got to my right and 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:11.400 I'm going to introduce him first, then I'll introduce the others. 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:13.399 This is weird going the street, Yeah it is. 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:16.400 But in the Tacovis hot seat is my friend Kaylen Balians. 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:20.559 You guys just entered into like right in the middle 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:24.080 of our conversation of when, like when was it October 0:01:24.120 --> 0:01:25.440 the third? 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:26.840 Probably? 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:29.200 I think I think Kaylin and I were bear hunting 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:32.800 on October the third, and he killed a really nice bear. 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:36.880 I mean it was i'd say three point fifty. What 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:39.479 did you think? What did we think? I can't really 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:40.680 remember what we settled on. 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:42.759 I think you said for sure three twenty five. 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:47.440 So, okay, a big old boar killed in National Forest. 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:50.720 Just we just went hunting for a day and a half, 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:57.840 and so we skined this bear in the woods, quartered 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:03.880 it up, basically left you know, a gut pile, the 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:07.960 hip structure. I mean, I mean, you know, like the 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:12.880 pelvis and stuff in some of the rib cage, big 0:02:12.919 --> 0:02:18.040 pile of bear. Though, left that bear and I came back, 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:24.920 maybe even just five days later, and you could not 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:28.240 have told that we skin that bear other than just 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:31.320 some you know, the leaves. It was just kind of 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:34.600 a beat down, greasy pile. But this is what I 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:36.880 was about to tell you when these people interrupted us 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:41.200 by turning the podcast on. Was there was bear trails 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:44.679 coming in from two directions to that carcass pile, like 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:47.560 padded out, like where they were stepping in the same 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:51.720 tracks like they do. And I don't know why I 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:56.720 didn't think about it, but I bet we could have 0:02:56.800 --> 0:03:03.880 killed another bear sitting on that carcass probably days later, yeah. 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:05.959 Yeah, probably the one that runs him out of woods. 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:11.600 Yeah yeah, So when what happened? I mean, go ahead 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:14.560 and you can just kind of quickly tell, like you're hunting, 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:15.480 and what happened? 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:18.919 You know, Basically I walked into a bear fight and 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:23.280 I didn't know it. Yeah yeah, I heard the the 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:26.799 racket going on down there, and I knew it was 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:28.639 a bear, but I did not know what was going on. 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:32.560 Were you hearing him vocalize or just leaves crunching and popping? 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:34.960 No, I could hear that. I could hear the vocalization. 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:37.800 Yeah yeah, I don't know what sound you call that, but. 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:42.080 Just woofing and chattering and huffing. 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:44.560 Yeah yeah. 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:47.360 So I eased down there to get a closer look, 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:50.760 which I could just see the one bear, but it 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:53.840 was like postured up. He got the coming off into 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:56.839 that little draw blow me, you know where the water 0:03:56.920 --> 0:04:01.440 was at, and I just let him come. He got 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:04.720 about twenty and I shot him, almost run me over, 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:08.440 come right up out at men. I just turned behind 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:10.280 my tree and let him go by. 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:15.360 How close do you think he actually got to you bear? Really? 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:15.960 Five ft? 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:17.200 Oh? Yeah? 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:21.040 Yeah, So what happened is Kaylin's I saw right where 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:24.200 it all happened. You know, he is this little there's 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:27.080 a dry creek bed and then there's a steep bank 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:29.839 that kind of goes up on a little mini ridge 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:32.000 kind of, so it's almost like you're in a tree 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:35.000 stand in a way, and you're shooting kind of down 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:38.120 at an angle. And I think your era passed through 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:40.520 that bear and hit the rocks on the other side 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:44.240 of him. That scared him so that the threat was 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:45.760 from the opposite side. 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:47.159 Where the other bear was at. 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:51.000 Okay, that's where we're getting But the bear turned and 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:55.240 ran straight towards the shot, right because you know, the 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:59.200 ear clacking on the rocks was bigger than the sound 0:04:59.240 --> 0:04:59.599 of the bow. 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:02.040 Yeah, yeah, closer. Yeah, And he didn't know I was 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:03.919 anywhere around, so right, yeah. 0:05:03.640 --> 0:05:06.360 But he just shoots straight up at you. 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:10.200 Oh yeah, I shoot and re should get another arrow. 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:13.479 Well before I can get the other arrow, I look 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:16.080 up and he's there. I mean, he's already on me. 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:18.200 So I just rolled behind a tree and he goes by, 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:20.280 and he makes a little loop and runs right back 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:23.800 to where he right shot him. Matt, he at the 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:25.960 other side of little waist, didn't he hell run up 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:29.320 the other side. Yeah, and yeah, I watched him die. Yeah, yeah, 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:32.359 he just ar it up, fell over death Moon, and 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:33.240 I thought it was over. 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:34.560 I got. 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:39.600 Probably twenty yards of him maybe, and just crouched down 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:42.600 waiting for him to die. I got to hear in 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:46.840 another racket, the same vocalization whatever you call that. 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:49.440 At this point, you've only seen one bear. Yeah, you 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:54.000 don't think you knew you heard potentially like what sounded 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:56.240 like a fight, but you didn't know there were two bears. 0:05:55.960 --> 0:05:57.719 Right, Yeah? 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:00.760 So I glanced up on the hill and here comes 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:04.240 one bigger than the one I just shot. And he's 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:06.920 coming to that bear I shot. He doesn't know him 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:11.600 around either, So I let him get down to the bear, 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:13.359 but I stand up first. 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:16.159 Just wave. That doesn't do it. 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:19.640 He kind of glanced at me, kept coming, so then 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:22.919 I yelled at him. That didn't do it. He's still coming. 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:25.200 So I threw a rock at him, and he finally 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:26.239 turned and walked off. 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:27.520 And you hit him with the rock? 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:30.000 No, I didn't hit him. No. 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:31.920 How close did he get to the dead bear? 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:37.000 Ten or fifteen feet? I mean he was pretty well 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:38.200 to him? Wow? 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:40.400 Yeah, was he going to fight more? 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:43.680 I think so? Yeah, that's it. I waited to see 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:44.320 what happened. 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:50.320 Yeah, what were you thinking, man? 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:55.600 That this bear has just whipped this three hundred and 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:57.960 twenty five pound bear, so I know he can whip me, 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:02.039 and he's staying on you're a logger. He's still mad. 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:06.120 So yeah, after he wasn't really leaving, I left. 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:07.520 I just went to the truck. 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:10.200 Okay, now, okay, so you chunk of rock at him 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:10.800 and what does he do? 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:11.600 Oh? 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:13.640 He just kind of side heels and he drops off 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:16.200 back end of that creek where I just shot that one, 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:18.080 and then comes to He didn't run. 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:21.440 Oh no, he come up on my side and he's 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:22.040 circling me. 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:24.600 Oh wow. Yeah, yeah, I knew that. I knew that, 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:28.080 but it's like it's like he didn't. He didn't spook 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:29.680 like you would have thought. You would have thought the 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:32.680 second he knew there was a man standing there that 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:33.600 he would have just Yeah. 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:35.960 I thought he would know from the bears that I've 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:37.560 been around, and he didn't encountered. 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:37.880 I thought. 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:40.720 As soon as he realized you know there's a human here, 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:41.560 he's he's gone. 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:43.120 But no, no, he didn't. 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:45.440 Like how much bigger was he than the one you shot. 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:48.400 Notice he was noticeably bigger. 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:51.080 I mean, liked make you think the one you shot 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:51.720 was small. 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:54.000 Well, I mean not small. 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:55.920 I knew it wasn't a small bear, but huh, but 0:07:56.440 --> 0:08:00.640 first glance, I said, oh my gosh, I mean this 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:03.480 bear is quite a bit larger than one of you. 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:03.840 Shows. 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:07.600 Well, I remember so well you I. 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:09.920 Told you it looked like a boltswagen coming off the hill. 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:17.760 Yes, well, but it also it painted my perception of 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:21.240 how big the bear that you killed was. Because Kaylan 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:23.680 shoots the bear, it's laying there dead, but this other 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:26.400 bear is circling and he just goes, I'm out of here. 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:28.680 So he dives off the mountain and goes back to 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:32.400 the truck and I'm still off hunting. Don't have cell 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:35.280 coverage or well no, I didn't where I was at. 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:40.600 I come out well after dark, well after dark, and 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:44.400 Kaylen goes, I got good news and bad news, and 0:08:44.440 --> 0:08:48.120 he's like, I killed a bear, but it's still up 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:50.320 in the mountain, on the side of the mountain, you know, 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:53.240 and it's like, I don't know, it's getting dark at 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:57.120 seven thirty that time of year, and so now it's 0:08:57.200 --> 0:08:58.800 eight o'clock and you know. 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:02.120 It's more like nine o'clock probably probably how far back 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:02.680 in was it. 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:03.680 It wasn't terrible. 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:06.560 It really wasn't that far from the truck. It was 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:09.120 quite a bit of elevation change. 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:11.160 But I had been a whole lot further that day. 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:13.680 Yeah, he had made a huge loop and killed it 0:09:14.559 --> 0:09:16.640 on the way back to the truck. But I remember 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:19.240 you telling me that you just thought it was an 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:22.960 average bear. That's kind of what I or the picture 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:25.840 that I painted because of this other one was so 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:30.400 much bigger. And I actually remember telling you I bet 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:34.560 you shot a sal yeah, and and I bet you 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:37.920 shot the smaller of two, because I couldn't figure out 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:41.600 why there would be two even together. And I said, 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:44.360 I bet you shot a soal, and that other one 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:48.480 was just a decent boar. And so we go up 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:51.280 there in the dark, and the second I see his 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:55.520 bear in the light, I just go, holy cow, that's 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:57.720 a big bear you shot, Kaylen. I mean it's like, 0:09:58.480 --> 0:10:02.439 oh yeah, I mean Stomper. I mean it might have. 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:05.480 I mean we were I really try to be conservative 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:08.240 with bear weights because it's so easy just to be like, 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:12.640 oh that's a four hundred pounder. It was a big bear, 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:16.240 and it, no doubt weighed three twenty five. I mean 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:20.400 probably three twenty five. Three seventy five wouldn't surprise me, 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:23.880 you know. So, I mean a piggin and the picture 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:26.600 you could tell how Biggie is because it's paws are enormous. 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:27.960 I didn't even see the bear, but I could tell 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:32.280 the picture good bear well. And then cal he had 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:35.559 just been whipped by this other bear, that's right, And 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:37.880 and the bear looked so big. I mean, when you 0:10:37.920 --> 0:10:41.440 can tell a difference, I mean a fifty pound difference 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:44.080 between two bears standing side by side, you almost can't 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:47.960 tell the difference, right, like they would almost look identical. 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:52.640 One hundred pound difference. You'd start to see a difference, 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:57.440 one hundred and fifty pound difference, and it's like that 0:10:57.480 --> 0:11:00.840 bears way bigger. But I mean, I think I think 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:08.120 it was a monster, the other one. I mean, you're 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:08.720 the one with no. 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:09.640 I never doubted it. 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:12.800 He told me when he got back to the truck, 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:15.000 and he's like, you ain't gonna believe what I just done. 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:19.880 And I was just joking killing the nine. He said no, 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:20.720 but I could have. 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:23.440 And then he told me the whole story, and he 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:25.800 said it he said that other bear was big. 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:31.559 Yeah, well I was. Just as the podcast started, I 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:34.160 told Kaylen, I said, man, I think about that all 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:37.400 the time, and partly because me and bear went back 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:40.440 in there five to seven days later, and it was 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:43.400 it was as if a bear had never been in 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:47.040 those woods. I mean, because that same day I had 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:50.920 been over the mountain from you and had all but 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:53.480 killed a bear. I mean, it was probably the closest 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:56.200 I've been in national forest of killing a bear, but 0:11:56.360 --> 0:11:59.280 not killing it. I'm setting over a little water hole 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:02.720 and you know, nine o'clock in the morning, I see 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:06.240 a bear coming like straight to the water hole. Wind's good, 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:09.800 everything's good. It's a color phase bear, real pretty color 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:12.319 phase board wasn't very big. I bet it didn't weigh 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:15.600 one hundred and ninety two hundred and ten pounds maybe, 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:19.480 I mean, just lanky, kind of tall, but chocolate brown. 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:23.880 And he's coming up this little dry creek to this 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:27.280 little pool of water. And I'm in the same scenario 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:29.559 as you up on the side of a steep ridge. 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:31.680 I mean, it was a deep drawl like this on 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:35.000 both sides, just straight up. He has no idea in there, 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:38.800 He's walking winds thermals are carried up. I mean it's done. 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:41.959 He's at twenty yards and I stand up and it's 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:45.520 like I'm in a tree stand and he, I mean, 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:46.959 he's just about to walk out in front of me, 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:51.080 and i'd draw the bow back, and I don't know why, 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:53.680 but rather than staying in the creek and going to 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:56.960 that water hole, he just he just turns and starts 0:12:56.960 --> 0:12:59.360 going up the other side of the ridge from me. 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:01.720 But he's gonna walk right out in front of me. 0:13:02.240 --> 0:13:05.840 I don't even panic. I'm just like, no problem, got 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:07.959 the bow drawn, and I'm just waiting for an opening. 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:12.600 And you know, he hits a couple openings that you 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:16.800 probably could have shot, but you shouldn't. But I just 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:19.760 knew he was gonna just stop in some opening up there, 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:23.200 and anyway, he doesn't. He just he just walks straight 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:26.160 up that mountain, and rather than veering towards the water hole, 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:29.280 he starts to veer more just like straight up, and 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:33.360 he just kind of like just just slips through my fingers, 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:36.959 you know. And I sat there the entire rest of 0:13:36.960 --> 0:13:41.880 the day, entire rest of the day, and thirty minutes 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:46.640 before dark, a bear came from the opposite. A black 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:49.720 bear came from the opposite direction, and there was a 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:51.679 whole water right in front of me. That was the 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:55.720 main watering hole. Bear trails beat out to it. But 0:13:56.080 --> 0:13:59.800 thirty yards up from this main water was as real 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:02.680 mall pull of water a bout his I mean like 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:06.680 two inches three inches deep, just barely any water at all, 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:10.360 and that bear, rather than coming the main hole, drank 0:14:10.360 --> 0:14:13.319 water out of that hole. And I saw him just 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:15.200 kind of lift up his head and kind of look 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:17.360 around and I could just barely see him, and I 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:19.960 kind of stood up, and he just kind of sat 0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:22.040 there by that water for a minute and then just 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:25.040 turned and walked away. Came and I tried to go 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:26.920 after him, but anyway, it's a great day of hunting. 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:30.800 Brought bear back in there, and we did the exact 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:32.880 same hunt day and a half and didn't get didn't 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:35.520 even see one, didn't I. 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:40.240 Was that close to killing one thirty minutes after daylight. Yeah, Yeah, 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:41.800 I saw three bear that one day. 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:42.480 Yeah. 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:48.040 Wow, that was an unbelievable day of the forest bear hunting. Yeah, 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:51.040 and then it just it just was gone. It just 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:52.320 was completely gone. 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:52.840 Quick. 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:54.600 You're going to introduce the rest of us. 0:14:54.800 --> 0:15:00.720 Well, that concludes the podcast for the day. This is 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:04.560 a unique render. We have the the guys that were 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:09.040 on the last episode, American loggers, Kaylin vi Lines. This 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:13.280 is the Kalyn Lines that told was was main player 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:16.760 on that to his right, wild eyed? 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:23.720 How'd you feel about that description? 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:32.120 Oh man, I'm so glad you guys are here. The 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:36.120 Josh is here. And then the one who is going 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:41.040 to validate, validate or invalidate all these stories, the older 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:47.640 brother of Kaylin Whalon Lines, who I'm told their father 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:53.800 tried to name them Whalen and Willie, so Kaylan would 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:56.720 have been Willy, that would have been happening, but their 0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:57.800 mother shut it down. 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:02.240 That was always no. 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:06.480 And then we got Barry DUKEM Bear, John nukelemb with us. Yep, 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:11.600 so Bear brought a bow. He might show us, but no, 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:14.640 it's pretty pretty rare for us to have the actual 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:19.760 people that were on the episode. But I want to 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:22.680 do something real quick before we get into the log 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:28.240 and stuff. Is I've asked Bear to tell us a 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:31.520 little bit about a couple of things that are going 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:36.920 on that are relevant with conservation legislation. I want to 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:39.480 be We're gonna try to be a little more active 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:41.440 and the stuff that we all know that's going on, 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:45.520 but like this boundary water stuff, and then there was 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:47.720 one other thing going on in Mississippi. Give us a. 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:50.520 Highlight of those bear Well, the boundary waters is the 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:53.440 big event that I think everyone's been hearing about. 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:56.280 But basically they're trying to make it to where. 0:16:56.640 --> 0:17:00.600 They're allowing foreign mining companies to come mine above the 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:03.440 boundary waters and all the runoff of that is going 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:07.840 to really affect the public land that we have access to. 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:11.080 So overall it's a bad deal. We don't want it 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:16.480 to happen. But through hunters and anglers calling in to 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:22.480 their senators, they have postponed the basically the day that 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:24.399 they decide whether or not they're going to allow it 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:27.000 or not. So basically, through the voice of the hunters 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:32.000 and anglers, that has has changed what's happening inside of 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:36.359 the government systems. Yeah, because they were going to decide, 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:38.879 I want to say it was two days ago. 0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:41.240 Yea, a couple days of February tenth or something. 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:45.240 Yeah, And because of how many people were calling in 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:49.359 and emailing their senators, they've postponed it because they're starting 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:49.840 to see. 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:52.560 That do we know a future date when they're supposed 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:53.520 to decide that. 0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:55.560 I'm not sure. They just said they were going to 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:59.720 do a more further analysis on the deal, and it'll 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:02.200 come up again. It's come up. It comes up all 0:18:02.240 --> 0:18:05.159 the time, like every couple of years. Maybe maybe, I 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:07.080 mean we were talking about this like a year ago. 0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:11.480 But the boundary waters are on the border between Canada 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:20.440 and Minnesota. Yeah I think so, yeah, yeah, And uh 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:25.440 but it's a it's a big, huge federal wilderness and 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:28.280 uh yeah, I mean there's gonna be stuff like this 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:29.800 coming up more and more. 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:32.800 But yeah, but what we can take from this one 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:36.640 is the fact that our voice inside of it actually 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:41.480 changed so far, has actually changed to what's going on. 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:46.240 So yeah, so keep calling and keep keep the pressure 0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:47.160 on the you. 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:47.560 Know what I mean. 0:18:47.640 --> 0:18:51.000 It's like as we all know this, I mean that 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:55.400 we hear it, but I mean, golly, we've just got 0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:58.800 to become more active in this stuff. And per For example, 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:02.560 miss tell us about the Mississippi Bill, which has been 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:06.800 kind of resolved, but it tells you what can happen. 0:19:07.000 --> 0:19:12.240 Yeah, Well, the attempt was to eradicate all hunting. 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:13.680 With dogs in Mississippi. 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:17.280 Unless unless it was on the private land that was 0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:20.479 two thousand acres of private land or bigger. That's the 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:23.359 only that's the only land that you can hunt with 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:27.600 dogs on. But that's including squirrel dogs, rabbit dogs, deer dogs, 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:31.480 any any sort of dog hunting. And so they wanted 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:34.240 to take it out because it was not fair chase, 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:35.880 was the argument. 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:44.080 They called it the the fair Chase. It was crazy. 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:46.879 It was crazy what they called it. Uh do you bear? 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:50.000 Do you remember what it was? Keep talking, keep talking, 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:50.800 I'm gonna find it. 0:19:50.920 --> 0:19:51.080 Well. 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:54.240 Yeah, basically, the the their point that they were trying 0:19:54.280 --> 0:19:56.280 to make was if you're hunting with dogs, that's not 0:19:56.560 --> 0:20:00.000 fair chase. It doesn't fall within the fair chase uh 0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:04.520 rules and guidelines. So but the good news on that 0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:07.480 one is is it got it got shut down. 0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:09.480 The bill is yeah, it was a House Bill eight 0:20:09.520 --> 0:20:12.040 twenty eight, and good news is it got shut down. 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:15.000 But this just goes to show you these guys called 0:20:15.000 --> 0:20:19.680 it the Fair Chase Act, introduced to restrict hunting with dogs, 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:25.000 limiting dog hunting to properties of over two thousand contiguous acres, 0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:28.720 which essentially would shut down dog hunting. You know, Yeah, 0:20:28.760 --> 0:20:32.560 no one has access to today private and you would 0:20:32.560 --> 0:20:34.960 feel like a state like Mississippi would be immune to this, 0:20:35.080 --> 0:20:37.520 and so far they've proven to be by the fact 0:20:37.520 --> 0:20:40.040 that the bill got shut down. But just the fact 0:20:40.080 --> 0:20:43.959 that that is even there just tells you that kind 0:20:44.000 --> 0:20:46.200 of stuff can happen anywhere. 0:20:46.440 --> 0:20:46.920 Yeah. 0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:50.800 So, and what is important is that even though we 0:20:50.840 --> 0:20:53.520 don't have a lot to do, like with the with 0:20:53.560 --> 0:20:56.480 the Boundary Waters in particular, like we hardly even know 0:20:56.520 --> 0:20:58.919 what state that's in. I've never been to the Boundary Waters, 0:20:58.960 --> 0:21:01.639 but it's still important for me to call into the 0:21:01.720 --> 0:21:05.600 senators because it's the it's it's even if it's not 0:21:05.720 --> 0:21:08.359 relevant to you, it is because eventually it's gonna make 0:21:08.400 --> 0:21:11.480 it to you. If as they start to come for 0:21:11.560 --> 0:21:13.840 things at the bottom ring of the lighter, it's going 0:21:13.920 --> 0:21:16.679 to work its way up. So it's important to stop 0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:20.480 it now, calling into your senators now before it reaches you. 0:21:30.080 --> 0:21:35.240 When I started learning about bear hunting with hounds, specifically, 0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:38.199 the state I'm thinking of is Michigan. Like ten years ago, 0:21:38.760 --> 0:21:42.320 I did a did some filming for the Michigan Bear 0:21:42.400 --> 0:21:46.480