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Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production of

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Speaker 1: the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render where

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Speaker 1: we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the scenes

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Speaker 1: of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f h

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Speaker 1: F Gear, American Maid, purpose built hunting and fishing gear

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Speaker 1: that's designed to be as rugged as the place. As

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Speaker 1: we explore, this is a great debate what to do

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Speaker 1: right now. We do we stay in the heated conversation,

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Speaker 1: very interesting conversation we were having, but we would have

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Speaker 1: to inform the listeners what we're talking to. Or do

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Speaker 1: we just start off? Who's here? Hard to say.

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Speaker 2: It's a roll of the dice.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to start off, and we're going to go

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Speaker 1: in the middle. So I've got to my right and

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Speaker 1: I'm going to introduce him first, then I'll introduce the others.

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Speaker 2: This is weird going the street, Yeah it is.

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Speaker 1: But in the Tacovis hot seat is my friend Kaylen Balians.

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Speaker 1: You guys just entered into like right in the middle

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Speaker 1: of our conversation of when, like when was it October

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Speaker 1: the third?

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Speaker 3: Probably?

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Speaker 1: I think I think Kaylin and I were bear hunting

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Speaker 1: on October the third, and he killed a really nice bear.

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Speaker 1: I mean it was i'd say three point fifty. What

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Speaker 1: did you think? What did we think? I can't really

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Speaker 1: remember what we settled on.

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Speaker 3: I think you said for sure three twenty five.

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Speaker 1: So, okay, a big old boar killed in National Forest.

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Speaker 1: Just we just went hunting for a day and a half,

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Speaker 1: and so we skined this bear in the woods, quartered

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Speaker 1: it up, basically left you know, a gut pile, the

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Speaker 1: hip structure. I mean, I mean, you know, like the

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Speaker 1: pelvis and stuff in some of the rib cage, big

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Speaker 1: pile of bear. Though, left that bear and I came back,

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Speaker 1: maybe even just five days later, and you could not

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Speaker 1: have told that we skin that bear other than just

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Speaker 1: some you know, the leaves. It was just kind of

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Speaker 1: a beat down, greasy pile. But this is what I

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Speaker 1: was about to tell you when these people interrupted us

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Speaker 1: by turning the podcast on. Was there was bear trails

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Speaker 1: coming in from two directions to that carcass pile, like

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Speaker 1: padded out, like where they were stepping in the same

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Speaker 1: tracks like they do. And I don't know why I

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Speaker 1: didn't think about it, but I bet we could have

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Speaker 1: killed another bear sitting on that carcass probably days later, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, probably the one that runs him out of woods.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, So when what happened? I mean, go ahead

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Speaker 1: and you can just kind of quickly tell, like you're hunting,

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Speaker 1: and what happened?

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Speaker 4: You know, Basically I walked into a bear fight and

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Speaker 4: I didn't know it. Yeah yeah, I heard the the

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Speaker 4: racket going on down there, and I knew it was

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Speaker 4: a bear, but I did not know what was going on.

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Speaker 1: Were you hearing him vocalize or just leaves crunching and popping?

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Speaker 4: No, I could hear that. I could hear the vocalization.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I don't know what sound you call that, but.

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Speaker 1: Just woofing and chattering and huffing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 4: So I eased down there to get a closer look,

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Speaker 4: which I could just see the one bear, but it

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Speaker 4: was like postured up. He got the coming off into

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Speaker 4: that little draw blow me, you know where the water

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Speaker 4: was at, and I just let him come. He got

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Speaker 4: about twenty and I shot him, almost run me over,

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Speaker 4: come right up out at men. I just turned behind

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Speaker 1: How close do you think he actually got to you bear? Really?

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Speaker 1: Five ft?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So what happened is Kaylin's I saw right where

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Speaker 1: it all happened. You know, he is this little there's

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Speaker 1: kind of, so it's almost like you're in a tree

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Speaker 1: stand in a way, and you're shooting kind of down

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Speaker 1: at an angle. And I think your era passed through

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Speaker 3: Where the other bear was at.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's where we're getting But the bear turned and

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Speaker 1: But he just shoots straight up at you.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I shoot and re should get another arrow.

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Speaker 4: Well before I can get the other arrow, I look

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Speaker 4: to where he right shot him. Matt, he at the

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Speaker 4: he just ar it up, fell over death Moon, and

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Speaker 4: Probably twenty yards of him maybe, and just crouched down

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Speaker 4: waiting for him to die. I got to hear in

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Speaker 1: At this point, you've only seen one bear. Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: don't think you knew you heard potentially like what sounded

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah?

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Speaker 4: So I glanced up on the hill and here comes

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Speaker 4: one bigger than the one I just shot. And he's

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Speaker 4: coming to that bear I shot. He doesn't know him

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Speaker 4: around either, So I let him get down to the bear,

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Speaker 4: but I stand up first.

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Speaker 3: Just wave. That doesn't do it.

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Speaker 4: He kind of glanced at me, kept coming, so then

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Speaker 4: So I threw a rock at him, and he finally

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Speaker 1: And you hit him with the rock?

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Speaker 3: No, I didn't hit him. No.

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Speaker 1: How close did he get to the dead bear?

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Speaker 3: Ten or fifteen feet? I mean he was pretty well

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Speaker 3: to him? Wow?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, was he going to fight more?

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Speaker 3: I think so? Yeah, that's it. I waited to see

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what were you thinking, man?

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Speaker 4: That this bear has just whipped this three hundred and

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Speaker 4: and he's staying on you're a logger. He's still mad.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, after he wasn't really leaving, I left.

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Speaker 3: I just went to the truck.

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Speaker 1: Okay, now, okay, so you chunk of rock at him

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Speaker 4: He just kind of side heels and he drops off

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Speaker 3: Oh no, he come up on my side and he's

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Speaker 1: but it's like it's like he didn't. He didn't spook

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Speaker 4: I thought he would know from the bears that I've

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Speaker 4: As soon as he realized you know there's a human here,

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Speaker 3: But no, no, he didn't.

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Speaker 1: Like how much bigger was he than the one you shot.

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Speaker 3: Notice he was noticeably bigger.

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Speaker 1: I mean, liked make you think the one you shot

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean not small.

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Speaker 4: I knew it wasn't a small bear, but huh, but

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Speaker 3: Shows.

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Speaker 1: Well, I remember so well you I.

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Speaker 3: Told you it looked like a boltswagen coming off the hill.

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Speaker 1: Yes, well, but it also it painted my perception of

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Speaker 1: how big the bear that you killed was. Because Kaylan

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Speaker 1: shoots the bear, it's laying there dead, but this other

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Speaker 1: bear is circling and he just goes, I'm out of here.

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Speaker 1: So he dives off the mountain and goes back to

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Speaker 1: coverage or well no, I didn't where I was at.

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Speaker 1: I come out well after dark, well after dark, and

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Speaker 1: Kaylen goes, I got good news and bad news, and

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Speaker 1: and it's like, I don't know, it's getting dark at

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Speaker 4: It's more like nine o'clock probably probably how far back

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Speaker 3: It wasn't terrible.

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Speaker 1: It really wasn't that far from the truck. It was

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Speaker 3: But I had been a whole lot further that day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he had made a huge loop and killed it

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Speaker 1: you shot a sal yeah, and and I bet you

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Speaker 1: bear in the light, I just go, holy cow, that's

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Speaker 1: a big bear you shot, Kaylen. I mean it's like,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, I mean Stomper. I mean it might have.

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Speaker 1: I mean we were I really try to be conservative

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Speaker 1: oh that's a four hundred pounder. It was a big bear,

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Speaker 1: and it, no doubt weighed three twenty five. I mean

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Speaker 1: you know. So, I mean a piggin and the picture

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Speaker 1: you could tell how Biggie is because it's paws are enormous.

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Speaker 1: I didn't even see the bear, but I could tell

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Speaker 1: the picture good bear well. And then cal he had

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Speaker 1: just been whipped by this other bear, that's right, And

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Speaker 1: and the bear looked so big. I mean, when you

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Speaker 1: can tell a difference, I mean a fifty pound difference

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Speaker 1: between two bears standing side by side, you almost can't

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Speaker 1: tell the difference, right, like they would almost look identical.

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Speaker 1: One hundred pound difference. You'd start to see a difference,

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Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty pound difference, and it's like that

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Speaker 1: bears way bigger. But I mean, I think I think

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Speaker 1: it was a monster, the other one. I mean, you're

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Speaker 3: I never doubted it.

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Speaker 4: He told me when he got back to the truck,

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Speaker 4: and he's like, you ain't gonna believe what I just done.

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Speaker 3: And I was just joking killing the nine. He said no,

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Speaker 4: And then he told me the whole story, and he

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well I was. Just as the podcast started, I

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Speaker 1: Well, that concludes the podcast for the day. This is

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Speaker 2: kidding everyone. Yeah, don't indict him now.

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00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to pick off Bozeman. He's he's he's

442
00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 1: he's a good guy.

443
00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:58,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

444
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 4: Most people are like me. They they take for granted

445
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 4: what we're, what we do. I don't my hunting with

446
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 4: dogs or whatever, don't. I've never seen it hurting anything.

447
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 4: And don't think nothing about it. You don't think about

448
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 4: somebody taking it away and then next thing you know,

449
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 4: you wake up and it's gone.

450
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 3: Choice we've been through it.

451
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 1: You guys have had it taken away.

452
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, in my lifetime, I've seen it happen.

453
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 1: Tell us about that, because I'm from the wash Tatas

454
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 1: where we can still run deer with dogs and regardless

455
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 1: of whether you think that's good or bad, yeah, I mean.

456
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's a touchy subject.

457
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 4: But growing up, Dad always had beagles and we grew

458
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 4: up hunting deer with the beagles. I mean, we didn't

459
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:58,239
Speaker 4: see it hurting anything, and the next thing you know,

460
00:24:58,880 --> 00:24:59,640
Speaker 4: it got shut down.

461
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 1: I mean in the late nineties.

462
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't remember exactly what it was. I just

463
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,160
Speaker 4: know why I got to be part of it. And

464
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 4: I mean Dad was always he was a dog man.

465
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 4: He likes to take the dogs. And when they shut

466
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 4: that down, Dad pretty much quit hunting until deer hunting anyways,

467
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,199
Speaker 4: until me and him got started riding a lot and

468
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 4: doing it that way. But yeah, I mean he just

469
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,640
Speaker 4: got enjoyment out of he's dogs and doing it like that.

470
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 4: But yeah, that was that was in the back of

471
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 4: my mind when you was talking about that. Is like,

472
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 4: I mean, we take for granted that just because we

473
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 4: don't think it's hurting anything, these people out there that do,

474
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 4: and if they got a bigger voice when most of

475
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 4: the majority are like me, I feel that they're just

476
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 4: going to sit back and think, well, we're not hurting

477
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 4: anything and let it go and then well.

478
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was the late nineties when they

479
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 1: outlawed deer hunt with dogs in the northern part of

480
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 1: the state. And as I understand it, it was the

481
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 1: it was the pet project of one of the commissioners

482
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: that lived up here and didn't like deer dogs and

483
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: that he knew probably couldn't shut it down across the

484
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,439
Speaker 1: whole state, and he wanted it shut down in this

485
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 1: part of the state. And I mean, you know, twenty

486
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,959
Speaker 1: five years later, people hardly talk about it.

487
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 3: It was.

488
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 6: For me it was more than hunting. My dad's always

489
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:25,959
Speaker 6: been a hand man, but mainly a running dog man. Uh,

490
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 6: it was more than shooting deer. Yeah, it wasn't about

491
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 6: shooting deer. I mean you were out there, Hume. It

492
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 6: was a way of life.

493
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

494
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 6: Deer season was like bigger than Christmas, way bigger than Christmas. Yeah,

495
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 6: and it was I mean it was a chase. And

496
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 6: you hear that all the time about anybody can kill

497
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 6: one with a dog, go cry.

498
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, starting out the fair chase act. Yeah, you ain't

499
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 4: never tried to kill it in front as I started

500
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 4: hunting with dogs. That was just the way we hunted.

501
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 3: Uh.

502
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 6: I'm not saying I haven't killed a lot of deer

503
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 6: in front of dogs. But when they outlawed the dogs

504
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 6: and I had to start still hunting, uh, I was like,

505
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 6: this is easy.

506
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.

507
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 3: I mean honestly, I thought it was easy.

508
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 6: Well, I started bowl hunting a lot when they outlawed

509
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 6: the dog deal.

510
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 3: Uh.

511
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 6: And at that time there wasn't The guys in our

512
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 6: part of the world that bowl hunted were hardcore, but

513
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,959
Speaker 6: there wasn't that many of them, you know. Uh, an

514
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 6: early season. Then it was easy with a bowl. I

515
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 6: mean it was just easy. Yeah, compared to I said

516
00:27:55,520 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 6: a walker hounds coming and there wasn't no matt and

517
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 6: he stopped.

518
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 3: When you've seen that.

519
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 6: Sunner coming, you started shooting, and when you run out

520
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 6: of shells, you either had it dead deer or they

521
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 6: were gone.

522
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

523
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 3: Uh that's been about. That was easy. Was it fun?

524
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 3: Most fun ever had?

525
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: Yeah?

526
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,199
Speaker 3: It was the best way of hunting.

527
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 6: The camaraderie yeah, Uh, everybody ganging up at whoever's house

528
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 6: it might be that morning, coming up with a playing,

529
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 6: drinking coffee.

530
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 3: It was more than hunting. It was a way of life.

531
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

532
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 6: Uh and likewise and't said, you know, I would have

533
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 6: been getting on up there as a teenager, didn't realize

534
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 6: what we had until it was gone.

535
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

536
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, that all That's what runs through my mind when

537
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 4: you was talking about that, just because there's more people

538
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 4: like me that ain't going to say anything and wake

539
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 4: up and what you should have been speaking up about's gone. Yeah,

540
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 4: and it's too late then yep. So yes, I fully

541
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 4: agree that people need to voice and it can change things.

542
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

543
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 5: For anyone listening that's interested, you can find all the

544
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 5: information you need to at back Country Hunters and Anglers.

545
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: Yeah that's that's a good one. They've got all the

546
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: info for how to get in touch with your senator.

547
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, well man this this uh Wenna say something, Josh.

548
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 2: I also want to talk about the bear Grease channel.

549
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, channel, and we got talk about honest this

550
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 2: new film.

551
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: We're not gonna be able to talk about Loggin.

552
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 3: Sorry, guys, I watched that video of the day.

553
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: Hit our video many so we have so the ten years.

554
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: Eleven years ago, I started the Bear Hunting Magazine YouTube channel.

555
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: At the time I was running Bear Hunting Magazine, started

556
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: a YouTube channel and we made videos for eight years.

557
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: And that channel videos too.

558
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 3: By the way, I.

559
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: Started watching a few. Man almost had just drifted away

560
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: from my consciousness for.

561
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 3: Sure between the last one.

562
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: And five years. For five years, the channel has laid dormant,

563
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: and yesterday we restarted it back up and we renamed

564
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: it the Bear Grease Channel. And so it's through meat Eater.

565
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 1: I had some people saying, Hey, Claire, did you quit

566
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: me Eater? No, I didn't quit meat Eater. This this

567
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: is this is through them, which we're thrilled about. That's

568
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: it's a good deal for us and for them.

569
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 3: But he had had come along.

570
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: Too, exactly well. And Bear's gonna be the main guy

571
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: on the channel. This first video you saw, watch his

572
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: videos anyway, me too, Man, me too. But there's gonna

573
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: be weekly content dropped on that YouTube channel. And Bear's

574
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: already got a bunch of really cool stuff that he's done. Yes,

575
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: he killed a hog with a self bow, he elk hunted. Uh,

576
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: he's been on a big falconry trip.

577
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 5: I'm excited for the Falconry where we trapped some hawks

578
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 5: in Texas.

579
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: Legally, but it's but it's YouTube style content like the

580
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: Meat Eater Mothership channel is like television type quality production

581
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: and it's I mean, it's great, it's fantastic. This is

582
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: like YouTube native, like fast paced, just like really showing

583
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: you what's going on, less production, no music stuff like that,

584
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 1: and so yeah, we're real excited about it.

585
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 2: It's gonna be awesome.

586
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 3: Yep. Yeah.

587
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: So next week, well there's a there's a film out

588
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: right now.

589
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, Squirrel Hunting on Mules came out yesterday. Well it'll

590
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 5: by the time this podcast airs. There ought to be

591
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 5: What do you think of his mule, Slow Trap?

592
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: Kaylin? Do you see all that shoot?

593
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 4: Pretty laid back, pretty laid back. I would trade you

594
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 4: I have one what he got.

595
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: I bet you would.

596
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 4: Talk to me before he well he's three three yeah.

597
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: And I mean that mule literally didn't even flinch the

598
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: first I mean you saw it.

599
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 3: I was surprised, But the one he was talking about

600
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 3: I shut off him. So oh it might be.

601
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: So the backstory, now you remember this, I was going

602
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: to send Slow Trap to Whalen. Yeah, last summer I

603
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: actually contacted Whaling Whaling train horses. No, I was gonna

604
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: have Whaling trained slow trap and just and and then

605
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: somewhere in the process, Bear was like, I'd like to

606
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: train it. And so I texted Whaling back and said, hey,

607
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: sorry man.

608
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 2: And you haven't talked to him since.

609
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: Sorry about that. Left you hanging all right. I bet

610
00:32:58,280 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: it was really awesome for Bear to get.

611
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 4: Oh, yes, and that is what When you told me that,

612
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 4: I was like, that'll be a good one for him

613
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 4: to start with, just from the videos and stuff i'd

614
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 4: seen on the meal, I kind of had him peg

615
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 4: and I thought that'll be a good one to get

616
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 4: his feet wet in. Yeah, now he's hooked and we

617
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 4: can send him something else.

618
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, Whaling's gonna send you one now, probably a crazy one.

619
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 3: We'll see.

620
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a that That is a nice little meal.

621
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: It's I wish it was taller. You got one like that.

622
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: I bet it's not fourteen hands, maybe fourteen.

623
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 3: If he's fourteen, he's big enough, I know, but he's

624
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 3: three year old. He's gonna grow.

625
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 2: He probably will will he grow after well.

626
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 4: Three.

627
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: So band Joe, which is his half brother, uh huh,

628
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: was still growing. When I and he was six years old,

629
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: he grew a lot.

630
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 2: How much could you expect him to grow another hand?

631
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 3: Maybe that dad always told us boys that they'd grow

632
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 3: a horse mule would go till the seven.

633
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: Okay, I think it horse mules mail.

634
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, it all depends. I think on the mule too.

635
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,800
Speaker 2: Is there a difference between a john mule and a horsemill?

636
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 2: Just interchangeable words.

637
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 1: We have a lot of words, depends on who you're

638
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: talking with. We've only fed that mule grass hay too.

639
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: I mean we've fed it a little bit of grain

640
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: here and there, but like it has not had ty

641
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,399
Speaker 1: Evans told me he said, yeah, if you fed that

642
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: mule alfalfa hay for a year, he said, it probably

643
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: speed the growth. Oh yeah, but I mean the mule

644
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 1: has free access. I just bought a year and a

645
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:41,439
Speaker 1: half old.

646
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,439
Speaker 4: Well, I say, just boways been a couple months ago,

647
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 4: now a little younger than what I was planning on buying.

648
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,919
Speaker 4: But I can wait till May to start messing with him.

649
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 4: But I got him thinking he'll be I mean, you've

650
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 4: had this discussion like a fourteen fourteen to two hand mule,

651
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 4: and that's what I thought he'll probably be that.

652
00:34:58,800 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: Well.

653
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 4: I put a stick to him the other day and

654
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 4: he's already fourteen one, I think, So he's gonna wind

655
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 4: up being probably bigger than what I wanted, bigger than

656
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 4: what you want.

657
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 3: But we'll see.

658
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 1: But yeah, he's.

659
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 3: Growed a lot since I got him, so we may

660
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,919
Speaker 3: do some trading. We'll talk later.

661
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 2: It's kind of turned into the mule swapshop here at

662
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 2: the BRender.

663
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, the one he's talking about. We can bring him

664
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 4: up here and lead him in here. Lucky did that

665
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 4: one the other day.

666
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, ze yeah, Well, uh, one other ticket item.

667
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: Jannist would tell us has a video coming out this

668
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: week that you should watch.

669
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 3: Sam.

670
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: It's about his Manitoba bear hunt. But Joannie is going

671
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: to be with us on the next render.

672
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 2: Did you rumor of that today?

673
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's gonna be with us, so we'll wait to

674
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: talk until then. But uh, but no, this episode, man,

675
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: it was so good. This login episode really was.

676
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.

677
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: Uh. In the what happened was I came to talk

678
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: to Kaylin and it's and I didn't really plan I mean,

679
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: I thought we might talk to somebody else, but there

680
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: wasn't too much planning involved in it. And while we're

681
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: sitting there at the global headquarters of the lines Logging.

682
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:19,919
Speaker 3: Which is the barn. It's a barn.

683
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I hope that was for pick up you

684
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: being sarcastic. Yes, but at first I was like, I

685
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: was kind of confused.

686
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 2: It's like Kaylin takes us to his corner office.

687
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 3: Good.

688
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: You needed to be confused for.

689
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 6: One thing you said about that that was completely true.

690
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 6: It is a location, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just you,

691
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 6: but it is in a hacup spot.

692
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: It is how wide is it? I guessed fifty foot.

693
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 3: It's thirty about fifties what it is? Yeah, I was right.

694
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 3: I don't know what you said. It's fifty foot wide.

695
00:36:58,840 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: I'll be done.

696
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 3: It's fifty foot long.

697
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: That's what I meant. That's what I That's what in

698
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:02,720
Speaker 1: my head.

699
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 2: Opening on the open side, Yeah, the open sides.

700
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, So Kaylen and I are are sitting there

701
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: and uh, Cody and his girls just kind of randomly

702
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:14,240
Speaker 1: pull up.

703
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 3: And going home. I had been to dad, I was

704
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 3: going home.

705
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then he walks over and I told them

706
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever done the main part of

707
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: an interview captured it quite like that. Usually I'm trying

708
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: to direct people to get on like these good headsets

709
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: and just so the audio call is really nice. But

710
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: I had this little handheld deal and I was just

711
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: kind of like bouncing around from one to the other

712
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: when they would talk, you know, and uh, and they

713
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: just kept talking as they do, and uh, it was

714
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: I I knew that it was really good.

715
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:52,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

716
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:57,879
Speaker 1: And then I did tell this to Kaylen earlier when

717
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: he started telling me about the story with Ethan. That's

718
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: why I came there. That's what I told Kaylen the

719
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: story that I wanted to hear because I'd heard him

720
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: tell me the story on the bear hunt that you

721
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: guys interrupted us talking about. At the first of the podcast.

722
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,439
Speaker 1: Me and Caylen were going down there, and he told me, yeah,

723
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: so it's all time together, you know, it's like a yeah,

724
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: And I envisioned a podcast that kind of revolved around

725
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,240
Speaker 1: that story, honestly, That's what I had in my head.

726
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:34,720
Speaker 1: But and and it ended up being that. But so Kaylen,

727
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,240
Speaker 1: we just go back and forth and tell me about

728
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,439
Speaker 1: logging and trucks and equipment and stories about Frankie Dale

729
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: which were fascinating, Yeah, truly were. And then Caylen starts

730
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: telling me about Ethan, and what I told him just

731
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: today was that I was like that close to telling

732
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 1: them to stop because I wanted to record that on

733
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: the good equipment. I mean I might have even one

734
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: time like started to speak and almost mumbled words, but

735
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: he was going, and I just if there's one thing

736
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: I've learned after years of doing this, is when somebody

737
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 1: wants to talk, just let them talk, which is sometimes

738
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: hard for me to do. I want to interrupt him

739
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: and say something else, but he just I just let

740
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: him talk and tell the story. And it was so good,

741
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:32,399
Speaker 1: so authentic. I was like, there's no way that we're

742
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: telling that story again.

743
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 3: That was it. Yeah.

744
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 4: Well, knowing them too as well as I do, that

745
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 4: was as natural as you could get them to talking. Yeah,

746
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 4: I mean you stick headphones on and Mike and her

747
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 4: face and I mean it's not the same, but me

748
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,919
Speaker 4: knowing them, I knew Whereams was that first of all,

749
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 4: and everything going on, but that was that's what, in

750
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 4: my opinion, made it one of the better one, just

751
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 4: because it was so natural. I mean, it wasn't just

752
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 4: like Cody showing up nothing stage. I even told my

753
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 4: wife pads. I pat you on the back. I said,

754
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 4: it's unbelievable. I said, Cody just showed up. Yeah, and

755
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 4: he just.

756
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 3: Rolled with it and it turned out good.

757
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: Well, you felt that to me? You felt like you

758
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: were just standing there with us, which is what you

759
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 1: always want.

760
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:21,959
Speaker 2: Yep.

761
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: But sometimes it doesn't translate. Like when it was happening,

762
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: I knew that were that they would tell me really

763
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: cool stuff, but I thought, this is going to be

764
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:34,240
Speaker 1: really hard to translate this to the listener. I wasn't.

765
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 2: I wasn't there, but just listening to it myself. I

766
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 2: really liked that, Like I felt like I was standing

767
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 2: there with y'all just listening to y'all, y'all talk about,

768
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 2: you know, tell stories and stuff, and you know, you

769
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 2: could hear things echo in the back. You could hear

770
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,399
Speaker 2: the girls, the dogs. Yeah, I like that.

771
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 3: Well that was the saying.

772
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 4: Two days before that, I was down there helping them

773
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 4: work on that dozer, and that's what it felt like.

774
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 4: It felt like when we were standing down there just

775
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 4: talking and going on. Well, he was working on it.

776
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 1: So it was cool. So we get done. I say

777
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: to Cody, I say, uh man, this is gonna turn

778
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 1: out really nice something like that, didn't I And he goes,

779
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: what turned out nice? And I said, you've been sitting

780
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 1: here watching me put this microphone into your face. And

781
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: he's like, what do you mean? And I was like,

782
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: we're gonna make a podcast. He had to have been

783
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: tricking me. This is when Cody like, you think he's

784
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: just crazy, but really starting. Yeah, he was like, what

785
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,439
Speaker 1: do you mean? And I was like, you think I'm

786
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: just I was just here just getting this audio so

787
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,280
Speaker 1: I could go listen to it myself in the truck.

788
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: It was funny.

789
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 6: Well, in my mind you were going to go In

790
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,399
Speaker 6: my mind, you were going to his house, right, Yeah,

791
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 6: y'all were going to do the podcast.

792
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 3: Yes, you know, I thought what you were.

793
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 6: Doing down there, we're just gonna be like a little

794
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 6: piece of something here or there.

795
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 3: Maybe.

796
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, you didn't know you were going to be a star.

797
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

798
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 2: Did he make you sign a waiver? You can probably

799
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,399
Speaker 2: get all that You probably get all that content back.

800
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: Josh, No, it was so good, it really was. Bear

801
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: What stood to you, Well, I like the the look

802
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 1: inside of the logging world, because for me, as a

803
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:35,240
Speaker 1: hunter on National forest public land, you're always coming across

804
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: loggers and there's kind of a separation between the hunter

805
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: and the logger.

806
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 5: I would say, like in a lot of ways, it's

807
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 5: even viewed as like the loggers are kind of opposing

808
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 5: the hunter's goals, and it kind of like, you know,

809
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 5: like I feel like the loggers aren't always painted in

810
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,879
Speaker 5: the best light. But I really, I really like this

811
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 5: look at it because y'all are hunters and your loggers,

812
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 5: and you live close to the land. The land is,

813
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 5: you know, providing your living, so that gives you more

814
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 5: reason to care for the land and to steward the

815
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 5: resource that you're going and pulling. So I really like

816
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 5: the look, like the real look inside of the inside

817
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 5: of the logging woods.

818
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: That's that's a good that's a good comment.

819
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that because I think I think things

820
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 2: like that can be villainized. Like it's easy to villainize

821
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 2: people when you don't know them, when you don't know

822
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 2: their ethic, when you don't know how they do what

823
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 2: they do. It's easy just to say, oh, these guys

824
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 2: are just out there cutting trees. Yeah, and uh, I

825
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 2: think one of the one of the most impacting things

826
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 2: to me was listening to you guys talk about how

827
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 2: different sections of timber have been generational for you guys.

828
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's incredible. I mean, that's that is

829
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 2: exactly what we need more of, not less of, you know,

830
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,720
Speaker 2: we need we need this stuff that provides for families,

831
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,439
Speaker 2: people can work a good job, while at the same

832
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 2: time preserves the preserves the habitat for the animals, preserves

833
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 2: the longevity you know what I mean, it's it's sustainable

834
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 2: for generations. And that like that really impacted me when

835
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 2: when you talk about what was said this these woods

836
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 2: have put many kids through college.

837
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: Oh that was that was a guy I know that.

838
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 1: I remember him saying that to me over here, and

839
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: he told me, he said, this track of timber has

840
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,439
Speaker 1: put he said, every thirty years they cut it, send

841
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: a kid to college. I mean, and it's it's true.

842
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: And and the other thing that people don't realize that

843
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:45,919
Speaker 1: aren't that don't know loggers or and even hunters would

844
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: know this. There is very little timber in this country.

845
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: I mean like none basically that is virgin timber.

846
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 2: It's all been oa oh yeah.

847
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: And it's a renewable resource. I mean even out in

848
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: Big Wooly National Forest. I mean there's probably some places

849
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: there in the eastern side, in some of these deep

850
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 1: draws and ravines that didn't have marketable timber. You know

851
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: that just it just wasn't worth getting in. Those trees

852
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: today probably are cedar trees that are two foot or

853
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: at the back. I mean, you wouldn't look at that

854
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 1: tree and think that tree is five hundred years old,

855
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 1: but it might be. I mean, would you guys agree

856
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 1: with that, Like in some places there is some virgin timber.

857
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean on the government you take so government

858
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 6: land like uh like some of that wilderness land that

859
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 6: they don't touch at all, but.

860
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: But they did back. I mean, I know personally a

861
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: lot of federal wilderness in this part of the world

862
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: that would have been cut to the ground. But now

863
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: it's wilderness.

864
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm talking about Uh, I'm talking about you know,

865
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 6: a lot of place well in my lifetime and before

866
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 6: I know they haven't cut yeah. Uh but guess what

867
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 6: you go through there now mm hmm. Those big trees

868
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 6: are falling over yeah. Yeah, if you Dad's famous one

869
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 6: of the Dad's most famous lines ever is it's a crop.

870
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 3: Yeah.

871
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 6: I've heard him say that my whole life. If you

872
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 6: don't take care of it. Nature takes care of it.

873
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 6: I mean, those big trees. As much as I myself

874
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 6: like to ride and hunt in big timber, there's nothing

875
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 6: better it being in big timber.

876
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 3: You know. We was talking about that last night.

877
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 6: We was watching the Turkey Hut and it was a

878
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 6: timber turkey hunt because there's nothing better than killing the

879
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 6: old the old woods gobbler, there's nothing like them. But

880
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 6: nothing lasts forever. Yeah, those big trees that are protected

881
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 6: if you can't. There's this section of government land that

882
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 6: I hunt and have for a lifetime. You go back

883
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 6: from one year to the max, and it's amazing how

884
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 6: much of that big virgin timber.

885
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,240
Speaker 3: It's fell over. Yeah. Uh.

886
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:11,240
Speaker 6: And when it starts falling over like that, it's a mess.

887
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 6: It's a mess for years. You know, it's just barriers

888
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 6: grow up. It's just a mess.

889
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

890
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,280
Speaker 3: That's nature's way of taking care of it. Yeah.

891
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,959
Speaker 6: I mean you can either manage it or God will.

892
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 6: I mean, that's just work.

893
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

894
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: Well, and there I said it on the podcast. But

895
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: I think we know now how incredible that some you know,

896
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: select timber harvest can be for wildlife proper. I mean,

897
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: the best thing you could do for a big piece

898
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 1: of timber if you wanted to make it. Deer in

899
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 1: Turkey habitat is cut some of the timber, and so,

900
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 1: you know, and I think most of the people that

901
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 1: be listening to this would know that, but the general

902
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: population maybe in some other places, you know, might you

903
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: might say loggers. They might go, oh man, yeah, those

904
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: are bad guys. And it's just ridiculous. I mean, like

905
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: I said, even though the world is much more, much

906
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: more plastic and much more metal than it used to be,

907
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: you know, one hundred years ago during the Wooden Age,

908
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: we still use an incredible amount of wood. I mean,

909
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: just I mean, we live in a very wooden world still.

910
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:24,399
Speaker 1: I know the guy that, well, if you're talking about

911
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 1: paper and cardboard, I mean, I think that there's going

912
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 1: to be a transition more to cardboard and paper getting

913
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 1: away from plastics now that they're seeing how wild plastics

914
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 1: are just in terms of all the all the stuff.

915
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: But anyway, I mean, so it's it's hard to be

916
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 1: upset with a logger when if you're a human today,

917
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: you know, and especially like these guys. And so the

918
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 1: next episode is going to be primarily with Teddy via Lines,

919
00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 1: which is Cody's dad, Kaitlyn Whalen's uncle, and he started.

920
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: The first things he said to me was he said,

921
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: I love big timber, and he said I hate clear cutting.

922
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: We select cut logs our entire lives, you know.

923
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 4: And well did Josh's point wall Togo when he was

924
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,919
Speaker 4: talking about that stood out to him about the generation's

925
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 4: log in the same spot. I can remember, which I've

926
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 4: been out of this business for twenty years now, but

927
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,720
Speaker 4: I was like then when they was telling their stories

928
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 4: about being eight nine year old with their little chainsaws. Well,

929
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,720
Speaker 4: I was twelve and they put me on a skitter.

930
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 4: I was getting three load of logs a day behind

931
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:39,879
Speaker 4: my dad.

932
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 3: No, he can try to warn up y'all twelve at twelve.

933
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 4: But one of the first things when he said that,

934
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 4: something popped in my mind. Something Dad told me, Well,

935
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 4: I'm a kid, first of all. And just a few

936
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 4: drags in and Dad stopped me and said, all that

937
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:02,479
Speaker 4: little stuff, don't run over as little as you can,

938
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:07,879
Speaker 4: because he said, them oak bushes that big around, He said,

939
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 4: it's going to be cut one of these days. He said,

940
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 4: be mindful, of course, you're on a piece of equipment

941
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 4: that it's you can't not run over everything, right, I mean,

942
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 4: but you can be selective on how you operate. But

943
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 4: that was ingrained in us at a very young age.

944
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 4: This is what's going to support the next generation. And

945
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 4: it's the same thing. I drive by and say, well, Dad,

946
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 4: what didn't you cut that tree? Because to me it

947
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 4: was as big as some of the other ones he

948
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 4: had cut. But he'd say, Son, we got to leave something.

949
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 3: To come back to.

950
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:46,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

951
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 2: So, and that's that's really really that's that's profound, you

952
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 2: know what I mean. It's a it's a profound thing

953
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 2: to make choices like that because I think I think humans,

954
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 2: especially Westerners, have gotten really short sighted, you know what

955
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 2: I mean. It's really about instant gratification, how it's going

956
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 2: to benefit us right now in the moment. And to

957
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 2: have people that are thinking, hey, I want to come

958
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 2: back to that tree in ten or twenty or thirty years,

959
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 2: that's sampling.

960
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 4: There's a good possibility that some of that stuff Dad

961
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 4: told me about them to or.

962
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 3: Have cut it since.

963
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 2: Exactly so, man, before y'all leave, y'all ought to go.

964
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 1: I'll take you in my front yard. I bought and

965
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 1: planted myself in two thousand and five a two inch

966
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 1: at the base red oak, just like I bought from

967
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: the landscape place and it was two thousand and five.

968
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I know for a fact when I planted it,

969
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:49,240
Speaker 1: and that tree, yeah, you could cut it, make furniture

970
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: out of it.

971
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 2: You want them to take it down for they leave.

972
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: Matter of fact that y'all bring your saw, I'm ready

973
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 1: to cash it in.

974
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 2: Y'all are mainly cutting hardwoods.

975
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 1: I mean that's all that's up here for for the

976
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 1: most part. Yeah, some some pine.

977
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 6: When we were kids, I would say we cut a

978
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 6: lot of pine on a couple of different tracks, a

979
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:17,919
Speaker 6: lot of pine. But in the last several years, very

980
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 6: little that weave even.

981
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: Just because it's not there. It's not marketable not there. Yeah,

982
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: well it doesn't seem like the I mean you go

983
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 1: south of the Arkansas River and it's almost not all pine,

984
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 1: but those pine plantations. I mean it feels like the

985
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: world's got plenty of pines. You wouldn't even I mean

986
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: hardwood seems not a little part.

987
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 3: I mean that's there's some pine out there. Uh.

988
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 6: Some of these government tracks, yeah, we'll have you know,

989
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,320
Speaker 6: pine on them, and most of that's pretty small stuff.

990
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 3: Whatever but.

991
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, most of your private land stuff, we don't.

992
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 6: We just don't run across much pine anymore, not apply.

993
00:52:58,760 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 2: Mhm.

994
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 1: Okay, on what what stood out to you? I know

995
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: it's hard to listen to a podcast that you were

996
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 1: the main guy. But I mean, like, did anything, did

997
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 1: anything stand out to you?

998
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 3: No?

999
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: Not really, he probably didn't even listen to it.

1000
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 3: Okay, I can vouch for him.

1001
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, Well he's just like, yep, he told just

1002
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 1: like a good job man a few words. Well, Cody,

1003
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: did what I mean? Were you did you hear? Did

1004
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:31,359
Speaker 1: we get right?

1005
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:32,760
Speaker 2: How do you do putting it together?

1006
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 1: Oh?

1007
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 3: I told him when we came in here, he did

1008
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 3: with what he had to work.

1009
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 2: With, the talent, the talent he had to work with.

1010
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, but what actually what stood out to me?

1011
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 6: I didn't know it was out He told me last

1012
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 6: night that we were coming here today. Yeah, he's like

1013
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 6: he put that out today.

1014
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 3: So I'm a home last night and watched it.

1015
00:53:56,560 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 6: Oh when he got talking about Ed, you know, just

1016
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:10,280
Speaker 6: his uh that mentality mm hmmm. I mean you can't

1017
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 6: you can't describe a man any what is.

1018
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. He describes his.

1019
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: Dad mm hmm. Yeah, that was. I mean we put

1020
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: like six minutes of probably of content there, and I mean,

1021
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 1: Caitlyn could have said so much more. But what you

1022
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 1: said about him was profound. And I have said that

1023
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: statement that you that the couple of ideas that he

1024
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: had there, I mean just just kind of like life philosophies,

1025
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: you know, just uh when he said, uh, well, talking

1026
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 1: about contentment, but then talking about when he said, if

1027
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 1: you're really being honest with people, you know, you're probably

1028
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 1: not going to get rich. And I've said that to

1029
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 1: multiple people, and again you qualified it and said, I

1030
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 1: know that that's not entirely true. They're wealthy people that

1031
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: are honest, but there's a lot of truth to it.

1032
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: And you know, just the idea that it just goes

1033
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: against the grain so much of what just pulsates through

1034
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 1: American society. I mean, it's like you almost feel bad

1035
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 1: for not trying to get rich. I mean that's the

1036
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:44,240
Speaker 1: vibe that I feel. It's almost like if you're not trying,

1037
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:49,399
Speaker 1: it's almost irresponsible. This is America, capitalism, most prosperous nation

1038
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: on earth, and it's just like I'll tell you something

1039
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 1: that I read and I'm going to try to tie

1040
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 1: it in and you're going to think I'm crazy. But

1041
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 1: I was reading a book about Inuits. I'm going to

1042
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: I'm going on a big trip in a couple of weeks.

1043
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 1: And they said that nomadic hunter gatherer people. A huge

1044
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 1: difference between nomadic hunter gatherer people and agrarian people was

1045
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:24,760
Speaker 1: the way that they viewed objects. And this guy said

1046
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 1: that nomadic people, this is all going to tie together. Boys,

1047
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 1: nomadic people typically viewed objects with suspicion and kind of

1048
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: because they knew that they if they were going to

1049
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 1: take something with them, they were going to.

1050
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 2: Have to carry it right.

1051
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 1: They thought about things in literal terms of weight, and

1052
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: so in general, nomadic people did not gather up material objects. Farmers,

1053
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:58,399
Speaker 1: on the other hand, agrarian societies were just like, well,

1054
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: I might as well take that home a place to

1055
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 1: put it, yep. And this guy said that the Western

1056
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 1: the Western thought process has been so influenced by the

1057
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 1: agrarian world that we have we falsely think that desire

1058
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 1: for material wealth is a native human desire that just

1059
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: runs inside of all of us. Like he said, that's

1060
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 1: actually not true, because you like psychologists and all these

1061
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 1: people would say that it is. That's just human nature.

1062
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: Like if you just pulled pluck somebody out of Africa

1063
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: and out of Europe and out of India and you

1064
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 1: put them all in a laboratory, they would all have

1065
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 1: this innate desire to accumulate material objects and wealth. And

1066
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: this guy is saying, no, that's not true. We just

1067
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 1: are so ingrained with this this thing that it's this

1068
00:57:56,120 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 1: desire for material wealth is actually something relatively new. And

1069
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 1: when Europeans first arrived in North America, they were astonished.

1070
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: It's in the it's in the record all over the place.

1071
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 1: It's fascinating to me. They were astonished at these guys

1072
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 1: trying to find gold, Like they were like, what do

1073
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 1: you what do you want? And they're like gold what for?

1074
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 1: I mean you can't eat it, you can't can't plant

1075
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: it and make it grow, you can't build something with it.

1076
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: And they actually thought these guys were crazy. And so

1077
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 1: I just think about Eddie and kind of the mentality

1078
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 1: just like not this file. And again, to me, the

1079
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 1: key component is contentment, not how much money. I mean,

1080
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: you know, it's not like, well, if you have more

1081
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 1: than this many dollars, you're you're evil. I mean, you

1082
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 1: can't do that you know, but just this idea of

1083
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 1: contentment being pretty powerful and and it makes me aware

1084
00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 1: of the vibe of of this generation, of this time.

1085
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that was a profound section. I thought.

1086
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that was the best part to me by far. Yeah.

1087
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 6: Just knowing him, Yeah, knowing him, I mean he just

1088
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 6: wanted to be my dad. I mean him and dad

1089
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 6: are one and the same. Yeah, I lived in the

1090
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 6: house of one. That's the only difference, honestly.

1091
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1092
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:39,439
Speaker 6: Uh, But growing up, I wouldn't have said, that's that's

1093
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 6: the guy I want to be, like, he's you know

1094
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 6: what I mean, he wasn't that larger than life.

1095
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 3: He was just the dead to me.

1096
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 6: But the older I got, you know, uh, and before

1097
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 6: he got sick and whatever, just going down there, just

1098
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 6: going to his house. U. He might be on the

1099
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 6: back porch with a cup of coffee in the winter time.

1100
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 6: He'd bet now by that stove with a cup of

1101
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 6: coffee whatever, just going in the house.

1102
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 3: You got that feeling of yeah mm hmmm. So to me,

1103
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:23,959
Speaker 3: that was that made the podcast for me, Yeah for sure,

1104
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 3: Yeah mm hmm.

1105
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was that was unique.

1106
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 3: Unique.

1107
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to the next episode, you know.

1108
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 1: It's it's I hope, I hope us bringing up Frankie

1109
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 1: Dale was I mean not surely his family would be

1110
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 1: proud of what all was said about him. Uh, those

1111
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 1: stories were really interesting to me. Yeah, I mean, just

1112
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 1: the way you describe him. And then I wouldn't have

1113
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 1: known that he died, Like the listener was on the

1114
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 1: same journey as me, because you started talking about Frankie Dale,

1115
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 1: and you know, you you talked about what a character

1116
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 1: he was, and then and then I go and basically

1117
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 1: in my mind, I'm leading to questions about, man, this

1118
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 1: is really dangerous.

1119
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 3: You know.

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01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 1: Do y'all have stories of guys getting killed? Now, I

1121
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 1: knew about Kaylin's story about Ethan, That's kind of why

1122
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 1: I'm there, But I had no idea that y'all would

1123
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 1: have known people that had been I mean I figured

1124
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 1: you did, but known people have been killed. And then

1125
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 1: for Kaylen go, well, Freckie Dale got killed like three

1126
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 1: years ago. I mean, it just painted the picture. Yeah,

1127
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 1: I mean, and then it also when I started doing

1128
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 1: the research on logging, just how dangered it actually is.

1129
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1130
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 1: The Bureau of Labor Statistics puts out stuff every year

1131
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 1: about the most dangerous jobs. You know, I didn't. It

1132
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 1: wasn't like a deep deep dive into it. But basically

1133
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 1: in the nineteen nineties, logging peaked as the most danger

1134
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 1: like it was the most dangerous time. Yeah, I mean,

1135
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 1: it almost feels like maybe back in the day deeper

1136
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 1: it would have been more dangerous. But since the Bureau

1137
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 1: was keeping stats, it peaked in the nineteen nineties. I

1138
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 1: wonder if y'all had any insight.

1139
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 3: Into that time we got into it.

1140
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, y'all got into it. Yeah, not your dad's.

1141
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 4: I could see the pace of it, the pace, the

1142
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 4: pace picking up in the nineties, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1143
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 1: And there was less there was mechanization, but there were

1144
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 1: more hand cutting.

1145
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 3: Going on, you bet, yeah. Yeah.

1146
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:50,479
Speaker 6: And today in the nineties it would have been most

1147
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 6: of the guys around here would have been hand cutting,

1148
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 6: I mean cutting them down, I just don't yep. And

1149
01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 6: they had also been cutting the links we cow bucking up.

1150
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 6: Most all that would have been changed that work, I mean,

1151
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 6: there was probably the nineties probably would have been when

1152
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 6: I probably seen the first buck up saw, which is

1153
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 6: a mechanical hydraug solid hooks on load and you can

1154
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 6: cut them the lamp through out there with a loader.

1155
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're you cut them at the stump, they

1156
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 1: fall over and then the buck up saw cuts them

1157
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 1: into the links the load. Yeah, gotcha.

1158
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:27,600
Speaker 6: The first buckups I probablyould ever heard. That would have

1159
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 6: been in the nineties and I was a little kid.

1160
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 1: So it got safer when he had a buckup saw.

1161
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 3: Yeah. It took up one, it took it took out. Yeah.

1162
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 1: Yeah one time you cutting through that log.

1163
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 3: But it's like Kim talking about getting hung up.

1164
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, when he got hung up in the log

1165
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 4: ball that was because he was bucking up log with

1166
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 4: a chainsaw yea instead of having the buckups.

1167
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 3: All that takes that gentlement out of it.

1168
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:50,080
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean that would have been the heyday.

1169
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:53,320
Speaker 6: Well that's when it is, you bet.

1170
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 1: So that's when it peaked one hundred and twenty eight

1171
01:03:56,000 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 1: deaths per hundred thousand workers per year. And that was

1172
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 1: way above like the number two thing in the nineties.

1173
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 1: So this is what I was trying to describe, Like

1174
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 1: the second thing, I don't even know what it was,

1175
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 1: but whatever it was, it was deaths like in the

1176
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 1: like fifty sixty if it was commercial fishing, and they

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01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 1: give the statistic based upon one hundred thousand workers. Out

1178
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 1: of one hundred thousand workers, one hundred and twenty eight

1179
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 1: died today. And I think the most recent stats I've

1180
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 1: found were like twenty seventeen or something, and it was

1181
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 1: a little bit unclear, but it was between fifty and

1182
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:41,240
Speaker 1: one hundred deaths per one hundred thousand today really, and

1183
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 1: logan was still the most dangerous, but it was right

1184
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 1: in line closer to in line with commercial fishing, commercial fishing,

1185
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 1: iron working, small aircraft pilot. And when you think about that,

1186
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 1: that makes sense too. It's like per one hundred thousand,

1187
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 1: you might be like, you know, how many how many

1188
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 1: people we hear about people around here that are dying

1189
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:12,920
Speaker 1: in little plane crashes occasionally, But anyway, it's pretty interesting stuff.

1190
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:13,919
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1191
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 1: The other interesting stat that I learned was that and

1192
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 1: now this was an older statistic from like it was

1193
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 1: a couple of years old, but that the average American

1194
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 1: uses one tree eighteen inch tree hundred foot long and

1195
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:35,520
Speaker 1: paper and wood every year. Did that was that surprising?

1196
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 3: A hundred foot long?

1197
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:40,560
Speaker 1: You didn't listen? Did you even listen?

1198
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 3: Cody nd.

1199
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 1: That's what it said. The amount of realized the tree

1200
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 1: couldn't be one hundred, So I mean.

1201
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 2: Just that amount, that's what they said, just in paper products.

1202
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 2: Just mean the number of Amazon packages that I get

1203
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 2: at my house and the amount of boxes I break down.

1204
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 1: That the surprise, But that's increased in the last I

1205
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 1: said after COVID, I wanted to start investing in cardboard companies.

1206
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:08,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt.

1207
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:10,280
Speaker 1: Everything's in cardboard.

1208
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 3: Yep.

1209
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 1: I mean everything shipped, everything's in cardboard. But anyway, that's

1210
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 1: a that sound like a lot. I wouldn't have thought

1211
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 1: every American was using one giant tree every year. I'm

1212
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 1: thinking about just buying my tree straight from these.

1213
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 2: Guys making your on cardboard, just just mail order.

1214
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 1: Maybe that's a new business. Y'all could ship people logs

1215
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 1: just so they could hand pick, because that's the way

1216
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:38,400
Speaker 1: it works.

1217
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:40,640
Speaker 2: It's like over there, dugout canoes in there.

1218
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:42,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1219
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 5: I've actually been looking at these big snakewood logs that

1220
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 5: they shipped from Canada, like a thousand bucks for a

1221
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:53,040
Speaker 5: six foot log to ship it. Oh really, and yeah,

1222
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:56,200
Speaker 5: I'm really considering it because I've never seen a snake

1223
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 5: wood boat.

1224
01:06:57,480 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 3: We may have some snake woodland around you think.

1225
01:06:59,600 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 1: Is that?

1226
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 2: Is that a thing y'all have her.

1227
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 7: If I ever heard of speaking.

1228
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:20,479
Speaker 1: Of wood, show us your bow. So this bow new bow,

1229
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:22,120
Speaker 1: speaking of wood.

1230
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, speaking of speaking of wood, I got osage orange

1231
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 5: black walnut on the handle with a big knot going

1232
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:32,240
Speaker 5: right through the middle and then all of wood, which

1233
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:37,040
Speaker 5: surprisingly well, actually not surprisingly, but it kind of caught

1234
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 5: me off guard. Whenever I was cutting through that olive wood,

1235
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:44,720
Speaker 5: it smelled like green olives, like really really strong, and

1236
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:47,120
Speaker 5: even whenever I'm filing it, it smells like olives.

1237
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:51,240
Speaker 1: But I can you smell it right now? Probably it

1238
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:54,280
Speaker 1: kind of has a pungent, like a sharp odor. I

1239
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 1: wouldn't have picked it as olives, but I smell when

1240
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 1: you're smelling that that odor, I think is just the

1241
01:07:58,680 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 1: hard wood.

1242
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:01,760
Speaker 3: I don't like all you don't want to smell that owner.

1243
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 5: I think it's just from the place I got it

1244
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:05,080
Speaker 5: smells like that.

1245
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 1: But no, whenever I cut through it, it smelled like olives.

1246
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:09,480
Speaker 3: I'll take your word for it.

1247
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 2: I like that riser on there in that grip.

1248
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 1: It's not finished out. You know, this is the rough,

1249
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:19,280
Speaker 1: so he'll he'll take a lot more off of that.

1250
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:22,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, but I'm kind of trying to the carm

1251
01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:28,800
Speaker 5: hole replicate more of a like your fiberglass recurve. Like

1252
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:31,320
Speaker 5: if you look at a recurve, it's it's got a

1253
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:33,439
Speaker 5: lot more material on the handle and you can get

1254
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:34,599
Speaker 5: a lot deeper in that grip.

1255
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:37,680
Speaker 1: And that's one of the major factors bigger handle or

1256
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 1: why it's easier to shoot a fiberglass recurve than a

1257
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:42,800
Speaker 1: self bow. And so I'm trying to get as close

1258
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 1: to that as i can, but it'll still needy handle

1259
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 1: on it. Yeah, but anyway, there it is, looks good.

1260
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:53,040
Speaker 1: Did where did that stave? O sage?

1261
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:54,800
Speaker 3: Stave? Where'd you get that?

1262
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:57,480
Speaker 1: The O Sage?

1263
01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:00,360
Speaker 5: I believe this stave came from one one of my

1264
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:04,680
Speaker 5: one of my bowyer teachers.

1265
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:07,800
Speaker 1: He gave me that stave. Do y'all have osage over there?

1266
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:11,760
Speaker 3: You know, not about knowledge?

1267
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 1: You don't see it. Man, We've got we've got a

1268
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:18,519
Speaker 1: lot of osage. I think the further west you get,

1269
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:21,559
Speaker 1: you get more. I mean, I've got a ton of

1270
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:22,959
Speaker 1: osage on this property.

1271
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:26,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're got weird cut We're in kind of like

1272
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 5: a like a zone where there's osage.

1273
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:31,679
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1274
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's incredible wood, man, when you cut it and

1275
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:41,360
Speaker 1: cut it with a saw. It is almost neon yellow.

1276
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:43,160
Speaker 1: Have you have you ever cut it with us?

1277
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 3: All?

1278
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 1: Yeah? And you just see a big old pile this bright.

1279
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:48,320
Speaker 1: It dulls over.

1280
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:51,760
Speaker 5: If you see one that's like thirty years old that's

1281
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 5: been sitting in the sun or taking a lot of use,

1282
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:58,320
Speaker 5: it'll be jet black, like really jet black black black.

1283
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:00,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty wild.

1284
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:03,400
Speaker 2: Is that bow right there?

1285
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:03,719
Speaker 3: What?

1286
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 2: What's what do you what do you intend to do

1287
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:06,640
Speaker 2: with it? Is that gonna be a hunting bow? Is

1288
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 2: that gonna be a yeah?

1289
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:09,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is gonna be a hunting bow.

1290
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 5: I don't know if I should say what I'm exactly

1291
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:17,760
Speaker 5: I'm doing with it?

1292
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 2: Can you foreshadow?

1293
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 7: Not?

1294
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:19,639
Speaker 1: Certainly?

1295
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:21,639
Speaker 2: You're not a shadow like you're dad.

1296
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:25,160
Speaker 1: Kidding, I'm kidding. Were probably here's a shadow.

1297
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 5: We're going to Alaska and I need to make the

1298
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:30,760
Speaker 5: bow totally waterproof.

1299
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 3: That's what.

1300
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:33,880
Speaker 2: There's your foreshadowing.

1301
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:40,800
Speaker 3: I want to know, how do you how do you

1302
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:42,280
Speaker 3: come up with what poundages?

1303
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:43,200
Speaker 1: Well?

1304
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:47,200
Speaker 3: Is that all about right now? String? Or is it

1305
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:48,040
Speaker 3: all right in the bow?

1306
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:49,160
Speaker 1: It's all in the bow.

1307
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:51,320
Speaker 5: I mean you can adjust it a little with a string,

1308
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 5: but yeah, I'll put it up in a tailer and rack,

1309
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:55,680
Speaker 5: and I'll take wood off of this side and I'll

1310
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:58,439
Speaker 5: put just a bow scale on it and pull it down.

1311
01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:01,559
Speaker 1: He's constantly testing the wight. He'll put a string on it,

1312
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:02,960
Speaker 1: test the way.

1313
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 3: You know what you've got.

1314
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:10,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's yeah, and when I stand it, it'll probably lose.

1315
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:12,639
Speaker 1: But he's had several that got it kind of got

1316
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 1: away from him a little bit, and he's like, you

1317
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:17,920
Speaker 1: know it's too it got too light quick, you know,

1318
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 1: so you can once.

1319
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean you sometimes you can cut him shorter,

1320
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:26,559
Speaker 5: make the string shorter, but yeah, it's it's no good

1321
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:27,920
Speaker 5: once you get him too late.

1322
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 2: Have you ever had one blow up on you when

1323
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:30,040
Speaker 2: you're shooting.

1324
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:34,559
Speaker 1: No, but I'm kind of surprised I haven't yet.

1325
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:36,679
Speaker 5: I know a lot of people who had him blow

1326
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 5: up on him.

1327
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 1: Gary Nucom had an American compound bow. There was a

1328
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:48,240
Speaker 1: company called American. Did you ever hear that in the nineties. Uh,

1329
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:51,439
Speaker 1: there was a company called American. And he was shooting

1330
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:55,080
Speaker 1: trying to shoot bows super fast. He was shooting just

1331
01:11:55,120 --> 01:12:00,240
Speaker 1: the lightest arrow possible, and so that's real hard on boat,

1332
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 1: trying to get to shoot real flat. He kind of

1333
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:05,080
Speaker 1: had like hot rid bows and I remember being out

1334
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:07,880
Speaker 1: in the yard with him one day when that thing

1335
01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:10,439
Speaker 1: just came apart at the compound bow.

1336
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:15,080
Speaker 4: There, I had a high country done the exact same.

1337
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:16,679
Speaker 4: When I got done, I was holding the riser.

1338
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:19,519
Speaker 3: That was it. Everything else was hanging down here. I

1339
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:20,760
Speaker 3: don't do that again.

1340
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:25,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, there's pieces of that, but I never

1341
01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:28,680
Speaker 4: did find Yeah.

1342
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:31,280
Speaker 1: I find that in the archaeological record one day.

1343
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:33,080
Speaker 3: Uh.

1344
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:38,559
Speaker 1: Well man, thank you guys for coming. Yeah, and it's

1345
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:42,200
Speaker 1: it's uh. We could have we could have had you

1346
01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:45,720
Speaker 1: on after this next episode, but it just worked out

1347
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:48,800
Speaker 1: for y'all to come this time. Whalen, what what stood

1348
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:50,600
Speaker 1: out to you? I hadn't really even asked you that.

1349
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:57,280
Speaker 3: No, it it brought back a lot of memories. It was.

1350
01:12:57,400 --> 01:12:58,200
Speaker 3: It was good.

1351
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:03,080
Speaker 4: Start finish for me because it did. Like I said,

1352
01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:05,760
Speaker 4: I've been out over twenty years. Cody brought up a

1353
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:09,639
Speaker 4: good point where ago, I've got two brothers. They're sitting

1354
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:18,320
Speaker 4: right there, and to see them what they've done, it's good.

1355
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:21,280
Speaker 4: I got a lot of laughs thinking about because it

1356
01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:24,599
Speaker 4: brought up a lot of memories. Think about them too,

1357
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:26,519
Speaker 4: one of them, whichever one of them, talked about them.

1358
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:29,840
Speaker 4: Color and the homelight chainsaw, and I can remember. I

1359
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 4: think it was Colin that he took that old color,

1360
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 4: and it was it didn't want to start a lot

1361
01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:36,400
Speaker 4: of times.

1362
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:38,640
Speaker 3: That's a famous yeah, afraid.

1363
01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 4: It would start to good the first time, the first

1364
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 4: time once it got hot, A what did want to start?

1365
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:44,519
Speaker 3: Now?

1366
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:48,160
Speaker 4: Well, I witnessed him crank on as much he got mad,

1367
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 4: and as far as he could throw.

1368
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 3: That saw, he throwed it over the hill. Yeah, and

1369
01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:52,840
Speaker 3: left it.

1370
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:56,479
Speaker 4: Dad come in to fill up with gas and he

1371
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:58,160
Speaker 4: was like, where you saw?

1372
01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:02,200
Speaker 3: Because I got mad? He won't know why I hadn't

1373
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:02,960
Speaker 3: bucked up the laws?

1374
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:06,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, why why haven't you done your job? And then

1375
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:10,160
Speaker 4: he says, and where's your saw? Yeah, it's over that hill,

1376
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:11,760
Speaker 4: said we'll go get it.

1377
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

1378
01:14:13,439 --> 01:14:15,559
Speaker 4: That and coming in with dragon logs and seeing them

1379
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:17,720
Speaker 4: playing baseball, sticking.

1380
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:20,960
Speaker 3: Rock and bus meant we had done our job. Yeah

1381
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:21,639
Speaker 3: we're caught up.

1382
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:23,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're caught up like that.

1383
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 4: But yeah, no, it was I'm like Cody, the the

1384
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:29,719
Speaker 4: contentment that our father had.

1385
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 3: Looking back makes a lot more sense now.

1386
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:38,760
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm mm hmm.

1387
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:45,840
Speaker 4: Recently stepped away from a twenty year career for that

1388
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:53,040
Speaker 4: purpose to have more contentment. To be to be home, and.

1389
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:53,599
Speaker 3: I always knew.

1390
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:57,920
Speaker 4: Cody brought up a good point in the podcast about

1391
01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:02,920
Speaker 4: it being addictive, and I can tell you for me,

1392
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:07,040
Speaker 4: I loved driving a skitter. I mean that's what I

1393
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:10,160
Speaker 4: grew up doing, done it for well until I was

1394
01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:14,840
Speaker 4: twenty four, I think, and working inside for twenty years,

1395
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:17,080
Speaker 4: never could get used to it. I enjoyed my job,

1396
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 4: I enjoyed the people, but I didn't even have a

1397
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:23,040
Speaker 4: window to look out of. And it was hard. I

1398
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:24,560
Speaker 4: mean there was days I would have loved to have

1399
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:26,680
Speaker 4: been sitting behind a big molder in his tearing at

1400
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:35,000
Speaker 4: roar and grabbing trees and going. And now I can

1401
01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:36,160
Speaker 4: get back outside again.

1402
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 1: And do you mind telling us? It brought up a

1403
01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:42,080
Speaker 1: lot of what you did and what you do now.

1404
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:43,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't have to, you.

1405
01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:43,800
Speaker 3: Know, it's fine.

1406
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:45,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, I went to tell us some combat for twenty

1407
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 4: one years. Yeah, pistol shop customers.

1408
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:54,280
Speaker 3: Pistol shop here, eleven custom a rs.

1409
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:57,800
Speaker 4: And God blessed me with way to provide for my

1410
01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 4: family when I the year I started for them was

1411
01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:06,479
Speaker 4: the year my oldest daughter was born. And I was

1412
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:09,840
Speaker 4: able to step away because I mean, just like the

1413
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:14,360
Speaker 4: last few days in the wintertime, thursdays you don't work.

1414
01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:18,880
Speaker 4: I need a steady paycheck, and I was able to

1415
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:23,839
Speaker 4: step away. Now I'm helping my cousin run a turkey

1416
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:26,679
Speaker 4: farm that's less than a quarter mile from my house.

1417
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 4: So for the first time in a long time, I've

1418
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:31,240
Speaker 4: got up every morning for the last six months and

1419
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:34,560
Speaker 4: watched the sun come up. And I literally wrote a

1420
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:38,120
Speaker 4: mule to work several days. And it's just it's been great.

1421
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:44,800
Speaker 4: But to my point that I was able to do it,

1422
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:49,600
Speaker 4: and the contentment that I have is it's priceless. I

1423
01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:52,280
Speaker 4: have a better understanding what our father always told us.

1424
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:56,360
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, yeah. I mean, I don't want to talk

1425
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:58,080
Speaker 3: too much. You can edit out if you don't like it.

1426
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:02,080
Speaker 3: And I told you editor when I.

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01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:06,920
Speaker 6: Told you, But have you asked us what the biggest

1428
01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:09,000
Speaker 6: benefit was? And I said the freedom.

1429
01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:10,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1430
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 6: Uh five years ago, six years ago, in twenty twenty

1431
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:21,920
Speaker 6: June twenty twenty, I found out that I had cold cancer.

1432
01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:27,680
Speaker 4: Oh, redact to that editor, put it back, put it

1433
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:28,519
Speaker 4: back back, that's what.

1434
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, he didn't hear what I said. I made a

1435
01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:33,000
Speaker 1: joke when you started to the editor to cut it out. Yeah,

1436
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:34,920
Speaker 1: And then when I realized where we're going. I'm like,

1437
01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:37,240
Speaker 1: we better keep the sin anyway.

1438
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:41,200
Speaker 6: Oh, I was thirty six years old, found out I

1439
01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:41,960
Speaker 6: had cold cancer.

1440
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:42,479
Speaker 1: Wow.

1441
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:44,559
Speaker 3: Leading up to that.

1442
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:49,720
Speaker 6: H I mean, I'm not gonna throw out numbers or

1443
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:53,400
Speaker 6: talk about production or anything. But leading up to that point,

1444
01:17:54,120 --> 01:18:00,920
Speaker 6: the logging business had been good for us, really good. Oh.

1445
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:04,160
Speaker 6: And I got to the point I was working on Saturday,

1446
01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:07,559
Speaker 6: lots of Saturdays. If I wasn't working on Saturdays, I

1447
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:09,439
Speaker 6: was taking care of equipment.

1448
01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:12,360
Speaker 3: Uh.

1449
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:15,479
Speaker 6: I loved the bass fish in the summertime. At night,

1450
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:19,920
Speaker 6: I loved the bass fish, tournament fish whatever. I had

1451
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:24,840
Speaker 6: quit bass fishing, I mean I was, I was working.

1452
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:28,120
Speaker 6: I mean I wasn't even hunting like I normally would hunt.

1453
01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:32,320
Speaker 6: And then that summer I found out I had a

1454
01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:33,000
Speaker 6: cold cancer.

1455
01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:36,360
Speaker 3: Uh.

1456
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 6: I was cutting timber when they called me, had my

1457
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:41,280
Speaker 6: phone in my pocket. I had been to the doctor.

1458
01:18:41,400 --> 01:18:45,840
Speaker 6: I knew they were going to call me whatever. And

1459
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:47,599
Speaker 6: I had been looking to this little stretch of timber

1460
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:50,240
Speaker 6: for a week. I mean I had cut everything out

1461
01:18:50,280 --> 01:18:52,000
Speaker 6: below it. I had it set up.

1462
01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:56,840
Speaker 3: Uh. And I was cutting that little section of some big,

1463
01:18:56,920 --> 01:18:58,360
Speaker 3: nice timber. That morning.

1464
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:01,719
Speaker 6: I could hear Dad over here, he's cutting and Frank

1465
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:03,599
Speaker 6: he was working with us the time he's over here.

1466
01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:06,640
Speaker 6: I could hear his slaves running and my phone but

1467
01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:09,000
Speaker 6: I've cut the tree and my phone vibrates in my

1468
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 6: pocket and it's the doctor. And he said, what we

1469
01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:17,759
Speaker 6: found is colon cancer. And he said it was early stages.

1470
01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:23,120
Speaker 6: He said, this is early. He said, I think you

1471
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:25,080
Speaker 6: can probably get took care of me. He said, if

1472
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:27,519
Speaker 6: you don't take care of it, this will kill you.

1473
01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:33,559
Speaker 6: That was exact words. I got off the phone. My

1474
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:37,000
Speaker 6: chainsaw still stuck in a tree over there, Idland. I

1475
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:39,639
Speaker 6: walked over there to white oak stump and I got

1476
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:45,200
Speaker 6: down and I had done some bread. And I can

1477
01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:48,120
Speaker 6: tell you lots of stories about the whole, you know,

1478
01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:50,599
Speaker 6: just the whole what I came out of that with.

1479
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:54,080
Speaker 6: But one of the biggest things I came out of

1480
01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:57,720
Speaker 6: that with was I'm not going to say I was

1481
01:19:57,760 --> 01:20:03,960
Speaker 6: to the point of being driven by a dollar, but

1482
01:20:04,040 --> 01:20:06,960
Speaker 6: I was getting there. I mean, I was getting to

1483
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:09,800
Speaker 6: the point where, you know, we were doing pretty good,

1484
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:15,400
Speaker 6: making some money. And when that starts happening, you want

1485
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:18,519
Speaker 6: to make more of it. But guess what it's like

1486
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:21,960
Speaker 6: you're talking about what you just you just keep wanting more.

1487
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:23,920
Speaker 6: You'll never be satisfied if you left that.

1488
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:25,960
Speaker 3: Drive you.

1489
01:20:26,200 --> 01:20:30,200
Speaker 6: I mean, I know guys that just like logging that much.

1490
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:32,360
Speaker 6: They'll be out there on Saturday and they're really doing

1491
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:34,120
Speaker 6: it for the money. They just like it that much.

1492
01:20:35,479 --> 01:20:37,479
Speaker 6: That's you know, I'm not knocking those guys at all.

1493
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:39,240
Speaker 6: If that's what you love doing and get after it.

1494
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:45,439
Speaker 6: But I think God put the brakes on for me.

1495
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:48,840
Speaker 6: I mean, there's some other things that came out of that,

1496
01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:52,240
Speaker 6: but one of the biggest things that for me was

1497
01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:58,040
Speaker 6: God was like, what you know, this is what's really important.

1498
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 6: I had to kids at the time. One was gods

1499
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:05,000
Speaker 6: should have to do the math. One was two, I

1500
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:10,680
Speaker 6: think the other one was even younger. But after I

1501
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:14,439
Speaker 6: got back held up, they did surgery. I mean, the

1502
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:18,040
Speaker 6: good Lord took care of me cancer free. I've done

1503
01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:23,160
Speaker 6: scan after scan since then and scopes and so where

1504
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:25,320
Speaker 6: a famous good But God healed me.

1505
01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:25,880
Speaker 3: We'll just.

1506
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:29,120
Speaker 6: Shortened up and say God healed me because he did.

1507
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:34,479
Speaker 6: Oh but after that, when I came out of that,

1508
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:35,320
Speaker 6: I got healed up.

1509
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:42,439
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, what you know, what is really important?

1510
01:21:42,439 --> 01:21:47,840
Speaker 6: And then since that time, that's amazing how much more

1511
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:51,880
Speaker 6: time I spent with Dad. Uh not in the woods.

1512
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:54,160
Speaker 6: He was there for all of it, you know, work

1513
01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:58,160
Speaker 6: and we were said beside. But since then we spent

1514
01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:02,360
Speaker 6: the last five we've done so much more hunting.

1515
01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:03,519
Speaker 1: Uh.

1516
01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:07,880
Speaker 3: I got back into fishing fish all time in the summertime. Uh.

1517
01:22:10,240 --> 01:22:12,120
Speaker 6: I don't know, It's just it's funny how God can

1518
01:22:12,240 --> 01:22:17,160
Speaker 6: just hold you up and be like, what's really you know,

1519
01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:19,000
Speaker 6: what's your other point? I mean, We're only gonna get

1520
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:22,960
Speaker 6: to do this one time. M hm, you better do

1521
01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:26,360
Speaker 6: what you I mean, if you got kids and friends

1522
01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:29,400
Speaker 6: and family, enjoy them. Because I heard a guy say

1523
01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:31,920
Speaker 6: that day, nobody ever said on their on their deathbed,

1524
01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:34,360
Speaker 6: I wish I went to work more. Yeah, and that's

1525
01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:34,840
Speaker 6: so true.

1526
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:36,000
Speaker 3: Yeah m hm.

1527
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:41,559
Speaker 4: Well that's the reason I'm doing what I do now,

1528
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:49,960
Speaker 4: because looking back on took it for granted. Dad always

1529
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:53,000
Speaker 4: told us, boys, when about the only time we took

1530
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:57,120
Speaker 4: a vacation was in November, we'd take off a couple

1531
01:22:57,120 --> 01:23:01,320
Speaker 4: of weeks deer hunting, and that always still boys do

1532
01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:05,200
Speaker 4: it way you can I know now what he meant.

1533
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:10,519
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm forty five years old and got two

1534
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:13,200
Speaker 4: kids chased around all over playing ball and I love it.

1535
01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:20,439
Speaker 4: But a year or two ago, we had got out

1536
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:23,479
Speaker 4: and my youngest daughter ride, took her, We went square hunting,

1537
01:23:24,240 --> 01:23:28,759
Speaker 4: took mom's dog, just walked a circle, killed a few squirrels,

1538
01:23:28,760 --> 01:23:33,240
Speaker 4: had a big time. And my youngest daughter had never

1539
01:23:33,240 --> 01:23:37,679
Speaker 4: even courted. And I told my wife then, I said

1540
01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:43,360
Speaker 4: something gotta change. I said, missed way too much. I said,

1541
01:23:43,439 --> 01:23:46,160
Speaker 4: things has got to slow down. I said, there's got

1542
01:23:46,160 --> 01:23:49,080
Speaker 4: to be more of this. I've always loved riding, loved

1543
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:52,200
Speaker 4: breaking animals. Been able to get back to that, but

1544
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:55,639
Speaker 4: that contentment, I mean, this is circle back around.

1545
01:23:55,720 --> 01:24:01,120
Speaker 3: But that's you can't put a price on that. Yeah,

1546
01:24:01,479 --> 01:24:04,880
Speaker 3: for sure, Dad now is fighting cancer. You know that.

1547
01:24:06,479 --> 01:24:09,559
Speaker 6: He just kind of found out in November. Uh, he's

1548
01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:13,120
Speaker 6: doing good right now, be real good right now. But

1549
01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:16,519
Speaker 6: when all that happened, and I was able to look

1550
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:20,360
Speaker 6: back on, you know, the last five six years and

1551
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:23,960
Speaker 6: be like, you know, I haven't taken it for granted.

1552
01:24:24,439 --> 01:24:27,960
Speaker 6: Every time we went, we're out, you know, doing something

1553
01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:33,759
Speaker 6: besides working. I mean, I've enjoyed it. And now looking

1554
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:36,760
Speaker 6: back on his lot, I mean you can see what

1555
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:43,720
Speaker 6: God kind of lined up for you. Uh, but it's

1556
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:46,599
Speaker 6: been Yeah, it's quite journey.

1557
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:52,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, not to bring up everything bad

1558
01:24:52,280 --> 01:24:56,200
Speaker 4: going on, but our dad was diagnosed with liver body

1559
01:24:56,240 --> 01:24:56,800
Speaker 4: of dementia.

1560
01:24:56,920 --> 01:24:59,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, three almost three years ago.

1561
01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:06,120
Speaker 4: Now going on going on four years, and it seems

1562
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:08,800
Speaker 4: but I hate to say it, but it seems like

1563
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:12,880
Speaker 4: one bad thing after another just happened. But boy, it

1564
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:19,920
Speaker 4: puts things in perspective. M Yeah, it makes you think

1565
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:23,320
Speaker 4: about the things that he told you. Oh yeah, that's

1566
01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:26,240
Speaker 4: the reason this. I mean, yeah, I got a lot

1567
01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:29,240
Speaker 4: of laughs out of it, out of it and everything,

1568
01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:33,200
Speaker 4: but it brought up a lot of good memories.

1569
01:25:33,320 --> 01:25:35,320
Speaker 3: I mean that, don't get me wrong.

1570
01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:42,519
Speaker 4: We we've always had it good. Oh yeah, I mean

1571
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:44,800
Speaker 4: not knowing any better, not knowing, and we didn't know

1572
01:25:44,840 --> 01:25:45,880
Speaker 4: when we as kids how tough.

1573
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:46,880
Speaker 3: It probably really was.

1574
01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:52,559
Speaker 4: What our fathers mothers went through because we didn't know

1575
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:55,720
Speaker 4: that we didn't have anything. I'm looking back on it.

1576
01:25:56,040 --> 01:25:58,479
Speaker 4: I mean we had, don't get me wrong, we had

1577
01:25:58,479 --> 01:25:58,800
Speaker 4: a lot.

1578
01:26:00,479 --> 01:26:02,439
Speaker 3: But yeah, I can remember being.

1579
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:07,759
Speaker 6: Like an early teenager thirteen, fourteen years old or whatever,

1580
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:11,640
Speaker 6: coming home from school one day and mom said, oh,

1581
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:14,920
Speaker 6: so and so had a heart attack, and I was like, well,

1582
01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:16,599
Speaker 6: what happened to him? And she said, I think it

1583
01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:17,600
Speaker 6: was just stress.

1584
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:21,559
Speaker 3: And I was like what And she said, he was

1585
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:25,680
Speaker 3: just stressed out. And I said, what's that mean? What

1586
01:26:25,720 --> 01:26:28,360
Speaker 3: does that mean? Oh?

1587
01:26:29,160 --> 01:26:32,360
Speaker 6: And it wasn't anything to do with me. There was

1588
01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:34,840
Speaker 6: everything to do with the two people that raised me.

1589
01:26:36,280 --> 01:26:40,040
Speaker 6: I never heard the word stress. I never heard them say, man,

1590
01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:43,200
Speaker 6: I'm stressed out. This is going wrong, that's going wrong.

1591
01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:46,120
Speaker 6: I mean they were trying to raise two kids. My

1592
01:26:46,160 --> 01:26:48,960
Speaker 6: sister was born with a hold her heart and that's

1593
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:53,080
Speaker 6: a whole other podcast. I mean, she's a miracle. Yeah,

1594
01:26:53,320 --> 01:26:59,280
Speaker 6: still love today. They dealt with that, but they never

1595
01:26:59,320 --> 01:27:03,400
Speaker 6: talked about being stressed out or it's so bad.

1596
01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:05,720
Speaker 2: It was just weren't victims of no, sir.

1597
01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:07,120
Speaker 1: It was that happened.

1598
01:27:07,320 --> 01:27:09,439
Speaker 6: It was just life and how we dealt with it,

1599
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:14,000
Speaker 6: how they dealt with it. Oh, and I'm so thankful

1600
01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:17,680
Speaker 6: for that. I mean, looking back on it now, I

1601
01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:19,760
Speaker 6: can look back on it and be like, you know,

1602
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:23,400
Speaker 6: everybody didn't have the mom and daddy that I did.

1603
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:27,720
Speaker 6: I mean, it's just playing simple. Everybody didn't, but I

1604
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:28,679
Speaker 6: sure I'm glad I didn't.

1605
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:38,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's why this was it was Uh, I mean,

1606
01:27:38,720 --> 01:27:42,360
Speaker 1: you know this podcast obviously is focusing on this logging thing,

1607
01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:46,160
Speaker 1: but you're seeing behind it to see little pictures into

1608
01:27:46,160 --> 01:27:49,360
Speaker 1: you guys family. And that's what I noticed right away

1609
01:27:49,400 --> 01:27:51,559
Speaker 1: when I got to know you guys, which I hadn't

1610
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:53,000
Speaker 1: known you my whole life. I mean, I don't know

1611
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:58,040
Speaker 1: five or six years ago, Caitlyn we met, but no,

1612
01:27:58,280 --> 01:28:01,559
Speaker 1: y'all really do have so I'm really really special. And

1613
01:28:01,640 --> 01:28:05,040
Speaker 1: I mean your families are strong believers. I knew that

1614
01:28:05,320 --> 01:28:10,519
Speaker 1: right away, which was unique. And then yeah, just the

1615
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:14,920
Speaker 1: history that you guys have and where y'all live, and

1616
01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:17,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I got a cool story and I'm glad

1617
01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:20,720
Speaker 1: we found a way to kind of share it. And

1618
01:28:20,760 --> 01:28:23,559
Speaker 1: we're kind of just getting started because next episodes all

1619
01:28:23,560 --> 01:28:30,080
Speaker 1: about your dad, yep. And it's really good, this this

1620
01:28:30,200 --> 01:28:34,080
Speaker 1: whole episode. I actually the way I build these is

1621
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:37,519
Speaker 1: you kind of just like I don't see the whole

1622
01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:39,920
Speaker 1: thing when I start. I mean, even when I'm like,

1623
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:43,240
Speaker 1: have done all the interviews, I come back here and

1624
01:28:43,320 --> 01:28:46,519
Speaker 1: I listened to every episode, I mean every interview, and

1625
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:48,920
Speaker 1: I had like two and a half hours of talking

1626
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:53,400
Speaker 1: that between at your house with your dad and then

1627
01:28:53,439 --> 01:28:58,639
Speaker 1: our stuff at the Global headquarters, and so I just

1628
01:28:58,479 --> 01:29:00,519
Speaker 1: I listened to the whole thing and I just pull

1629
01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:03,640
Speaker 1: out the pieces that I'm just like, that's interesting. I

1630
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:05,400
Speaker 1: want that in there. I don't know where it's gonna fit.

1631
01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:08,160
Speaker 1: So I started pulled out pieces and stacking them together

1632
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:11,080
Speaker 1: in like little bricks and blocks, and the whole time

1633
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:15,400
Speaker 1: I was thinking, Okay, this is all going to Teddy.

1634
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:19,680
Speaker 1: You know, we got to introduce Teddy. And you know,

1635
01:29:19,720 --> 01:29:21,880
Speaker 1: I like built this whole episode and we hadn't even

1636
01:29:22,479 --> 01:29:25,680
Speaker 1: talked to him yet, and uh, it just you know,

1637
01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:28,920
Speaker 1: and I did that because it was good. I just

1638
01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:32,519
Speaker 1: kept stacking stuff on top of stuff. But but uh,

1639
01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:35,400
Speaker 1: that's good though, because next episode will be and.

1640
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:39,679
Speaker 3: I'm glad you got him. Yeah, you got him going well.

1641
01:29:39,880 --> 01:29:41,600
Speaker 6: I mean we've talked about it for years, like with

1642
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:43,599
Speaker 6: Hillard or other uncle Hillard.

1643
01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:44,080
Speaker 1: That's right.

1644
01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:50,519
Speaker 3: Why didn't somebody have a tape recorder when he started?

1645
01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:52,559
Speaker 6: I mean, I've got like an eight or ten minute

1646
01:29:52,640 --> 01:29:54,800
Speaker 6: video that healer doesn't know what he don't know?

1647
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:57,200
Speaker 3: I got on my phone.

1648
01:29:57,760 --> 01:30:00,479
Speaker 6: Yeah, just because one day I just happened to be like, oh,

1649
01:30:00,560 --> 01:30:04,200
Speaker 6: here's my chance. And I've got a couple of different

1650
01:30:04,200 --> 01:30:07,240
Speaker 6: ones of Dad and Frankie Dale together talking about.

1651
01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:09,920
Speaker 3: The old time class. Oh do you really like sitting

1652
01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:11,200
Speaker 3: in the truck? Sit down, eat lunch?

1653
01:30:11,960 --> 01:30:15,880
Speaker 6: And I would purposely get them going and and i'd

1654
01:30:15,960 --> 01:30:17,040
Speaker 6: hit record on my phone.

1655
01:30:17,160 --> 01:30:19,759
Speaker 3: Really, I've got.

1656
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:21,479
Speaker 6: A couple of different twenty men, and one of them

1657
01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:25,360
Speaker 6: is a good one. But we everybody said for years

1658
01:30:25,400 --> 01:30:28,360
Speaker 6: would be like like lit with Grandma. Why didn't somebody

1659
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:28,920
Speaker 6: record that?

1660
01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:29,760
Speaker 3: Well?

1661
01:30:30,120 --> 01:30:32,599
Speaker 1: Can I tell them about Hillard when we went over there?

1662
01:30:32,680 --> 01:30:32,880
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1663
01:30:33,080 --> 01:30:38,400
Speaker 1: Okay, so there Teddy. It is confusing. I've been around enough.

1664
01:30:38,439 --> 01:30:41,080
Speaker 1: I know the story now. But Teddy and Eddie, their

1665
01:30:41,200 --> 01:30:44,080
Speaker 1: dads have an older brother named Hillard, and he is

1666
01:30:44,120 --> 01:30:48,040
Speaker 1: the oldest living brother. There's another brother that's older, but

1667
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:53,000
Speaker 1: Hillard is eighty seven, eighty seven, still live, still in

1668
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:57,920
Speaker 1: incredible health in Kaylin last year, sometime two years ago,

1669
01:30:58,240 --> 01:31:01,920
Speaker 1: said uncle hill Lord, I've got a buddy that would

1670
01:31:01,960 --> 01:31:05,400
Speaker 1: like to come interview you and talk to you about

1671
01:31:06,479 --> 01:31:10,800
Speaker 1: talk about Yeah, we're going to talk about Buffalo River

1672
01:31:10,840 --> 01:31:15,040
Speaker 1: when we were Buffalo River episodes. And anyway, I ended

1673
01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:17,960
Speaker 1: up going over there and meeting with him and we

1674
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:25,479
Speaker 1: put these stinking headsets on him and I did, and

1675
01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:28,400
Speaker 1: I warned you about that before you out there. I know.

1676
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:31,360
Speaker 1: The thing was is that we I felt like I

1677
01:31:31,400 --> 01:31:33,400
Speaker 1: had some rapport with him. I mean I talked to

1678
01:31:33,479 --> 01:31:35,960
Speaker 1: him and he was warmed up, and he was just

1679
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:39,439
Speaker 1: seemed to be enjoying himself. And then I was like, man, hey,

1680
01:31:39,560 --> 01:31:41,719
Speaker 1: let's let's go ahead and do this and put this

1681
01:31:41,720 --> 01:31:45,920
Speaker 1: this headset on him. And it was like something shifted.

1682
01:31:46,160 --> 01:31:47,519
Speaker 2: Like putting the muzzle on the dogs.

1683
01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:50,479
Speaker 1: And he turned to Kaitlin and he just said he

1684
01:31:50,520 --> 01:31:53,960
Speaker 1: I don't want to do this, and uh, and anyway,

1685
01:31:54,040 --> 01:31:57,639
Speaker 1: it was a shame and I was just like, hey,

1686
01:31:57,800 --> 01:31:59,960
Speaker 1: no problem, I don't want you to feel uncomfortable. And

1687
01:32:00,160 --> 01:32:04,040
Speaker 1: I mean he's just a he's just a Hillard's eighty seven,

1688
01:32:05,640 --> 01:32:10,840
Speaker 1: but he's probably fifty years behind the times in terms

1689
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:15,120
Speaker 1: of just his knowledge of I mean, he's like a

1690
01:32:15,160 --> 01:32:17,120
Speaker 1: guy that you plucked out of the nineteen forties.

1691
01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:20,000
Speaker 3: You had a long conversation with him after Yousuk.

1692
01:32:20,439 --> 01:32:22,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, he took the headsets off and then talked about

1693
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:25,200
Speaker 1: all the things we wanted to talk about. He had

1694
01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:29,120
Speaker 1: no problem telling me and just talking to us, but

1695
01:32:29,200 --> 01:32:31,800
Speaker 1: he just didn't want to be recorded. He just was like,

1696
01:32:31,840 --> 01:32:35,040
Speaker 1: I just don't want to be recorded. I mean, yeah,

1697
01:32:35,080 --> 01:32:36,880
Speaker 1: So It's not like we hadn't tried to get Hillard.

1698
01:32:36,960 --> 01:32:37,120
Speaker 3: Now.

1699
01:32:37,560 --> 01:32:44,040
Speaker 1: Now, Hillard's younger brother also your uncle, Willarard. He loves

1700
01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:46,439
Speaker 1: to be recorded. I don't want to make it sound

1701
01:32:46,439 --> 01:32:51,160
Speaker 1: like he loves to be recorded. But just today, this year,

1702
01:32:51,240 --> 01:32:53,479
Speaker 1: there's going to be a film that comes out about

1703
01:32:53,479 --> 01:32:58,720
Speaker 1: our bear Camp and we made sorghum. I'll show you

1704
01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:01,679
Speaker 1: all a clip of it. Nobody's seen it, but anyway,

1705
01:33:01,960 --> 01:33:04,799
Speaker 1: you're gonna get to see Hillard Vallins, which is y'all's

1706
01:33:04,880 --> 01:33:07,240
Speaker 1: uncle war Willard excuse.

1707
01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:12,200
Speaker 4: Me, Willard Junior Willard and any boy boy.

1708
01:33:12,400 --> 01:33:14,439
Speaker 1: Yeah that's what. That's what everybody knows me as a

1709
01:33:14,439 --> 01:33:17,800
Speaker 1: sonny boy. But uh so, anyway, yeah, a lot of

1710
01:33:17,840 --> 01:33:20,120
Speaker 1: tie ins with you guys. I mean, getting to know

1711
01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:23,439
Speaker 1: you guys has been just incredible. I mean just it's

1712
01:33:23,439 --> 01:33:25,519
Speaker 1: been a lot of fun. And then our other buddy,

1713
01:33:25,960 --> 01:33:30,560
Speaker 1: my buddy justin House is like y'all's little brother who's.

1714
01:33:30,360 --> 01:33:32,519
Speaker 2: Become a good friend of mine.

1715
01:33:32,640 --> 01:33:34,320
Speaker 1: Y'all just gang up and whoop him.

1716
01:33:34,360 --> 01:33:34,519
Speaker 3: Though.

1717
01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:38,200
Speaker 2: My youngest daughter and I he won't even listen to this.

1718
01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:39,759
Speaker 1: Whatever you want.

1719
01:33:40,080 --> 01:33:41,680
Speaker 2: My youngest daughter and I are going to his house

1720
01:33:41,720 --> 01:33:43,080
Speaker 2: on Sunday, we're gonna ride mules.

1721
01:33:43,240 --> 01:33:44,280
Speaker 3: Oh really yep.

1722
01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:50,080
Speaker 1: Yeah ah no yeah So anyway, thank you guys, we've

1723
01:33:50,080 --> 01:33:55,519
Speaker 1: been going this is long long time. Well thanks a lot,

1724
01:33:55,640 --> 01:33:59,120
Speaker 1: and uh anything else. Keep the Wild.

1725
01:33:59,200 --> 01:34:03,000
Speaker 2: Check out the Real Bear Grease Instagram Real Bear.

1726
01:34:03,200 --> 01:34:05,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have a new Instagram channel, Page two. I

1727
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:08,679
Speaker 1: forgotten say that. Yep, yep. See if we can get

1728
01:34:08,720 --> 01:34:13,639
Speaker 1: Hillard Lines to like us on Instagram. If the Wild

1729
01:34:13,720 --> 01:34:15,679
Speaker 1: places wild because that's where the bears live.