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Speaker 1: Hi. I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 2: We wanted to do something that highlighted our.

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Speaker 1: Relationship and what it's like to be siblings. We are

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Speaker 1: a sibling.

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Speaker 2: Railvalr No, no, sibling. You don't do that with your mouth, revelry.

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Speaker 3: That's good.

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Speaker 4: My man, Sean Cassidy, who I have known for a

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Speaker 4: minute now, is in the waiting room.

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Speaker 1: He uh produced, created.

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Speaker 4: A show but I still think could have been a hit.

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Speaker 4: And he danced with my mom. He's a superstar.

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Speaker 1: Uh bring him in. Let's see what the hell is this

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Speaker 1: fucking guy's doing now, because it's been a minute since

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Speaker 1: I've seen this. Dude, Look at you, Look at you. No, no,

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Speaker 1: look at you, look at you. This is crazy, dude.

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen you in so long.

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Speaker 3: It was a little unnerving.

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Speaker 1: Actually how long how long has it been?

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Speaker 3: I mean almost twenty years.

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Speaker 1: I think this fucking nuts. It's a quick trip. I

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Speaker 1: just I don't know. It's scary sometimes.

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Speaker 4: You know, I got three kids now, and they're all

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Speaker 4: older seventeen and fourteen.

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Speaker 1: And then it's just like before you even know it,

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Speaker 1: we're just dead, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully we have some fun along the way.

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Speaker 1: We do We do well. How are you? Number one?

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Speaker 3: I'm great. I have a few kids of my own.

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Speaker 3: We have I guess four kids. Maybe since I've seen you,

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Speaker 3: maybe that possible. Maybe. Yes, we have a nineteen year old,

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Speaker 3: eighteen year old, sixteen year old, and a thirteen year old.

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Speaker 3: And we live in the wine country of Santa Barbara,

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Speaker 3: which is a beautiful place to live and raise kids.

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Speaker 1: Wow. You lucky, man, I love it.

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Speaker 3: How is Aaron?

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Speaker 4: She's great, man, she's great. We have three seventeen, fourteen, eleven,

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Speaker 4: and yeah, things are pushing along very nicely, you know,

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Speaker 4: not without his bumps and a few little bruises, but

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Speaker 4: that's to be expected, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: But the fact that we've maintained for twenty plus years, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's pretty good, dude, It's pretty good. You know. I'm

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Speaker 1: still in this business, believe it or not. I'm still an.

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Speaker 4: Actor, but I'm producing. I have a deal at Fox,

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Speaker 4: so it's been really fun doing that. Doing this has

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Speaker 4: been a blast. And just hustle up money any way

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Speaker 4: I can. You know, I'll sell my.

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Speaker 1: Soul just it just depends on the price. That's kind

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Speaker 1: of where I'm at, you know, how long have you

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Speaker 1: been doing this podcast? Well? Shit, four years now five.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we were kind of when we started there was

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Speaker 4: nine hundred thousand podcasts and we're like, holy fuck, you know,

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Speaker 4: and this is when sort of Dax was blowing up,

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Speaker 4: and of course you've got Rogan and all those guys now.

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Speaker 4: But and we're like, oh, it's it's there's so many

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Speaker 4: people now. Of course there's six plus million podcasts out there,

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Speaker 4: so you know.

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Speaker 1: It's it's been fun though.

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Speaker 4: It's been fun to reconnect with my sister and do

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Speaker 4: something together creatively. It's there's been iterations of it, you

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Speaker 4: know what I mean, Like she's been busy as she

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Speaker 4: is nice sort of take over. But I dig it, man,

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Speaker 4: I dig it. I like talking, I like getting to.

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Speaker 1: Know I think I would enjoy it as well. You

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Speaker 1: have one, don't you?

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Speaker 3: No, I don't. I've been asked to them. But I

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Speaker 3: found the fact that there were six million already a

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Speaker 3: little daunting, and I thought, well, podcast, but when I

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Speaker 3: like the people who are hosting them, there's something interesting

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Speaker 3: to talk about. I think it's fun and I don't

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Speaker 3: listen to too many. I don't either, by the way,

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Speaker 3: I've been doing this forever. I don't listen to podcasts.

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Speaker 1: I just don't.

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Speaker 3: There's a great one called the five Hundred Songs of

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Speaker 3: Rock and Roll, History of Rock in five hundred songs,

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Speaker 3: where this man goes so deep dive on the connective

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Speaker 3: tissue of different songs and musicians play on records and

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Speaker 3: the songs that inspired the song, and the song the

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Speaker 3: songs that were ripped off. Sympathy for the Devil has

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Speaker 3: like a six hour podcast just on it. Wow. But

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Speaker 3: I'll listen to that because I just I tend to

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Speaker 3: know some of the people. And it's great when you're

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Speaker 3: on a hike you can just go for hours.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, now, I yeah, I know. It's great. It's great

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Speaker 1: to put the to put the earbuds in and just

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Speaker 4: I just I feel like there's so much more I

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Speaker 4: can do. And by the way, when I when I

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Speaker 4: walk in and when I run, I don't like, I

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Speaker 1: I I that's the time for my thoughts. Yeah, for sure,

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Speaker 1: you know, that's the time to sort of plan my

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Speaker 1: next strike.

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Speaker 4: It's so funny. I was just talking to Mom. I

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Speaker 4: literally just got off the phone with Mom to come

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Speaker 4: on with you, and she's like.

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Speaker 1: Oh, tell Shoan, I say, hi, Oh my god. We

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Speaker 1: sang together. You know what was that? What did you

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Speaker 3: Was it a variety show your mom hosted? Had a

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Speaker 3: special only Han special And they asked if I'd come on,

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Speaker 3: and we sat at a piano and she sang you

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Speaker 3: below to somebody else, you below to me saying a

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Speaker 3: little like, uh, valid version of the do run run

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Speaker 3: against that? Uh. Mom was and is adorable and I

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Speaker 3: had a crush on her, like everybody in the world,

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Speaker 3: I think, And it was really sweet. It was really

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Speaker 3: and you know what's interesting. I was thinking about this too,

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Speaker 3: passage of time. I was in Hawaii with your mom

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Speaker 3: when she was pregnant with Kate. Oh wow, she and

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Speaker 3: your dad you were already here and you were a

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Speaker 3: little kid, and you when you were born, you had

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Speaker 3: some health challenges.

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Speaker 1: D yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: I had maconium aspiration. Back in the day, they just

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Speaker 4: let you cook in there until you came out. You know,

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Speaker 4: I was in there for three weeks too long, and

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Speaker 4: I basically, you know, ate ship and almost died. I

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Speaker 4: mean Essentially, I took a dump in the boom and

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Speaker 3: I think you were in Hawaii too, right, kid, But

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Speaker 3: she was very pregnant, and I think this was after

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Speaker 3: we'd already done that special. We had mutual friends when

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Speaker 3: your dad and your uncles.

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Speaker 1: We used to play cards together and actual, oh yeah,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, amazing, No, I know when so my dad, you know,

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Speaker 4: we've talked about this. We had sort of a tumultuous

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Speaker 1: Good.

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Speaker 4: But that dude likes to gamble. I mean he still

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Speaker 4: goes and plays poker like five times a week in Ventura,

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Speaker 4: you know. And it's funny because oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: when I was I don't play cards much anymore, but

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Speaker 4: I got hooked on poker.

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Speaker 1: I was addicted to I loved it so so much.

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Speaker 1: I had a poker in my old house.

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Speaker 4: I play a commerce, I played hustler, I played in

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Speaker 4: WBT events, I played in World series of Poker events

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Speaker 4: where I I busted on the first hand on TV

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Speaker 4: on ESPN. That's a whole other story. And then when

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Speaker 4: I reconnected with my dad and it was just really

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Speaker 4: is so similar to me in so many ways, not

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Speaker 3: Just it also sound.

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Speaker 4: And look like yeah, I know, I know, and then

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Speaker 4: like we're getting teary eyed because it was just really unreal,

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Speaker 4: you know, to see someone in front of you who's

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Speaker 1: It was a really uh it was a moment. It

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Speaker 4: But anyway, all this to say that he still plays poker.

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Speaker 4: We used to go to Seaside, Oregon and him and

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Speaker 4: his brothers would play Liar's Poker. They'd have ones out

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Speaker 1: Poker with the serial Numbers.

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Speaker 3: They grew up in Portland, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I

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Speaker 3: remember them going to a story here and there too.

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Speaker 3: We may have played Portland together.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how I met them. Again, I think

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Speaker 3: Bernie Topplin is a real good pal of mine, and

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Speaker 3: Bernie produced an album for them. Yeah, And I'd know

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Speaker 3: I met Bernie when I was ten because my parents

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Speaker 3: went to see Elton John at the troupid Or and

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Speaker 3: he produced the Hudson Brothers.

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Speaker 1: How old were you and Elton and Bernie came to

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Speaker 1: Do you remember that? Oh? Yeah, very well? Because I

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Speaker 3: Why are my parents a going to the Troupadour which

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Speaker 1: Why are they going to see Elton John. How do

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Speaker 3: Because Elton John was a brand new thing and the

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Speaker 3: was a very big deal for Elton John. It kind

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Speaker 3: And he was like twenty three and Bernie was like

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Speaker 3: Bernie wanted to meet my mom, and I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 3: Elton wanted to meet my brother David, who wasn't They

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Speaker 3: playing tunes and Bernie talked to me, what are you doing?

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Speaker 3: I'm music and maybe I'll play music someday. Well, good

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Speaker 3: and when I did the show The Hardy Boys, Bernie

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Speaker 3: know Bernie Topping, Yeah, and they said, okay, he can

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Speaker 1: Connection then, well, I'm sure you know.

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Speaker 4: Growing up the way that you grew up in the

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Speaker 4: have some amazing, you know stories as far as yeah, you're.

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Speaker 3: Actually anything about that, OLLI, it's a whole other world

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Speaker 3: I was born in LA at Saint John's Hospital, Santa Monica.

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Speaker 4: a kid, you know, we're having dinner and they'd come up,

440
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 4: and it would like bother me, you know, because.

441
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,919
Speaker 1: She's my mom and you know, this is when I

442
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:00,080
Speaker 1: was little, you know.

443
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,239
Speaker 3: But your mom, who I watched have that experience more

444
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 3: than once, was always very gracious. She's very really gracious

445
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 3: and a lovely, lovely lady and very unshow busy. Like

446
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 3: my mom is like one of the most grounded people

447
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 3: you'll ever meet. And she taught me by example how

448
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 3: you treat people in public. And she always talked about,

449
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 3: you know what, really this was just our job. In fact,

450
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,360
Speaker 3: my parents used to say, we're just here in LA

451
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 3: for the movie or the TV show. Don't worry we're

452
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 3: going to be living on a farm in Pennsylvania, because

453
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 3: they were both these coast people. My dad was from

454
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 3: New York, she was in Pennsylvania, and they were like

455
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 3: always talking about we're going to go back, We're going

456
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:43,240
Speaker 3: to live in the country.

457
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 1: Dad wants to be wrighter.

458
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 3: So that never happened, but somehow that message like went

459
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 3: into me and I am basically living the life my

460
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 3: parents talked about mattering but weren't able to actually get

461
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 3: to themselves. And I've thought about that, but I've also

462
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 3: thought about what you were saying. And in terms of

463
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 3: like if people feel they own your parents, yeah, often

464
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 3: at your expense. It can be hard. And I recently

465
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 3: did this, oh actually sidebar about wine because somebody gave

466
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 3: me a bottle of your oh gogy ye maybe. Well,

467
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 3: there's one called Goldie. It's a chardonnay and the Kurt makes.

468
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 4: All the wine and Senrita Hills and it's a it's

469
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 4: a pino and it's.

470
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: Really it's fucking good man. There's like ten vintages, twelve

471
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 1: vintages of them.

472
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 3: We make one too here I'll tell you about in

473
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 3: a second.

474
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: But yeah, uh.

475
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 3: Oh, in terms of like feeling that like ownership of

476
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 3: your parent. I was. I was doing this event for

477
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,120
Speaker 3: Turner Classic Movies, and they were talking to me about

478
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,719
Speaker 3: my career and my mom and my dad, and I

479
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 3: introduced a movie she'd made called The Courtship of Vetti's

480
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 3: Father that she did with ron Howard, and she worked

481
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 3: with Ronnie twice. I'm the music man and this, and

482
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:04,919
Speaker 3: I was on the set of both of these when

483
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 3: I'm like four years old, and I remember being jealous

484
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 3: of Ronnie Howard because he was playing her son, and

485
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 3: everybody's thought was her son because of the movies, and

486
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 3: I'd forgotten I actually felt that way. I only seen

487
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 3: the movie there, I go, oh, because I've seen ron.

488
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 1: Over the years since.

489
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's an interesting, weird looked feeling pride parent.

490
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,400
Speaker 3: Isn't my mother beautiful? That people really love her? Isn't

491
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 3: that awesome? But I wish we just had this time ourselves.

492
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, no, for real.

493
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 4: I mean I can completely relate to that, you know.

494
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 4: And then as you get older, as I got older,

495
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 4: there's so much pride in the icon that is my mother,

496
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:55,640
Speaker 4: you know, whereas before it was maybe a rejection because

497
00:25:55,680 --> 00:26:02,400
Speaker 4: of an underdeveloped brain. Divorce and needing all of her attention,

498
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,679
Speaker 4: you know, maybe from an unhealthy place too, then growing

499
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 4: up dealing with my own shit and understanding and being

500
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 4: so prideful of how of what an icon she is

501
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 4: and what she has done, you know, for her industry

502
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 4: as a woman, you know, and even beyond that, you know,

503
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 4: mental health and children. So you know, it's it's funny

504
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 4: how you go from one place and then sort of

505
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 4: end up, you know, end up.

506
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 1: We are where I am right now.

507
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 3: You know, my mom's a great example of it's not

508
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 3: about the success you achieve, it's what you do with it. Yeah,

509
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 3: and Kurt is a pretty inspiring guy too. I think

510
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 3: only met him once. But I I worked at Disney

511
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 3: for a long time. I had an office, actually I

512
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 3: Walt Disney's office, believe it or not, for like four years. Wow,

513
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,439
Speaker 3: just dumb luck. Yeah, I ended up in there and

514
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 3: I used to give tours. This is where Walt gave

515
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 3: notes on Pinocchio and in the matter. Kurt Russell's picture

516
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 3: was all over the place at Disney. And when I

517
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 3: was a little kid, he was the Disney guy. And

518
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 3: the fact that he you know, transformed himself and went

519
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 3: way beyond that as an actor.

520
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: Pretty impressive. Oh yeah, oh god, yeah. And he's having

521
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: a major resurgence right now. It's just right working his

522
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: ass off. What was it dynamic? Like sibling dynamic growing up?

523
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: You know, as you guys were getting older. I mean,

524
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 1: was it fun? Did you have fun? Was there fighting?

525
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 4: I mean especially just you're on the road, you know,

526
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 4: I mean your move and you're shaking, Like how did

527
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 4: that all pan out?

528
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 3: It changed? I mean our father died when I was eighteen,

529
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 3: Patrick was fourteen, Ryan was ten, and my brother who

530
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 3: were my older brother David, were estranged, which was rough,

531
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 3: but in a strange way, his loss bonded us. I

532
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 3: literally remember the day he died, the four of us

533
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 3: hugging and crying and sort of forging this like he

534
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 3: will live in us. It wasn't said, but that was

535
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 3: the feeling, and it's been an actual experience. We are

536
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 3: now all well, David has passed, but Patrick, Bryan and

537
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 3: I are all older than my dad was when he died.

538
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 3: We see each other and see our father, you know,

539
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 3: like the experience you had with your dad.

540
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 1: You may see it in your uncles too. I don't know,

541
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: but it really validates this notion that life is continuous.

542
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 3: It just sort of travels through these cars we drive

543
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 3: called our bodies, you know. But he's here, David here,

544
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 3: and my brothers. Yes, we thought Patrick and I were

545
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 3: the closest in age. I was the oldest brother in

546
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 3: the house. And Patrick was an athlete and tall and

547
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 3: very like hot headed. And I would torture him mentally,

548
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 3: statistically often, which he reminds me of to this day.

549
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 3: And Ryan was often on the sidelines trying to find

550
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 3: a way in.

551
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 4: Was there a lot of competition between the kids, you

552
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 4: know what I mean between the brothers.

553
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, but we all kind of again had different lanes. Yeah, So,

554
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 3: I mean I couldn't throw football like Patrick. Patrick was

555
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 3: the quarterback at Beverly Hills High School. You know, I

556
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 3: was in satin pants shaking my ass at some club.

557
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 3: So and Ryan was very internal and thoughtful and artistic.

558
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 3: And he's kind of the historian in our family now.

559
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 3: He has every memento related to my father and my

560
00:29:55,520 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 3: parents and their careers and our lives. And David, you know,

561
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 3: he was an only child who my father had left,

562
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 3: which was sort of the core wound for him. Always

563
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 3: trying to get his approval. And my father was a

564
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 3: tough guy, and my father never.

565
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: They never reconciled that huh, back.

566
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 3: And forth, you know. But my dad, as you know,

567
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 3: inspiring in many ways as he was, he was not

568
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 3: a good father. He was not conscious father. There was

569
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 3: no going to the little league game or showing up

570
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 3: at the open house.

571
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: It wasn't on Broadway, okay, right? That was his priority.

572
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: His priority was his work, right.

573
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he was. He was a narcissist his priority, right.

574
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 3: But I got a lot of great stuff from him.

575
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: No doubt, no doubt about that, you know what I mean?

576
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: And you know he was he was.

577
00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 4: Physically around, it seems, but just not there, right, not

578
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 4: even that physics, not even that right, Okay, No, he

579
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 4: was like a guest star in the house. He'd show right.

580
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 4: And is that just because he was working so much?

581
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 4: I mean is that really what it was?

582
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 3: Often in New York?

583
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: Yeah?

584
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 4: But did he ever did your mom? Was it ever like,

585
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 4: you know, hey, like your kids needs you? I mean,

586
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 4: was there ever any chatter of that or was it just.

587
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: Like this is just what the fuck it is?

588
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 3: Yeah? Probably? But my mother, I mean, my mother was

589
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 3: working a lot too. Yeah, you know, honestly, I was

590
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 3: kind of running the house. You were, Yeah, there'd be

591
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 3: like housekeeper around maybe and me yeah and uh and

592
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 3: then David when David would show up, and David would

593
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 3: come like on weekends when he was younger, and we

594
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 3: looked together for a year when he was eighteen and

595
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 3: I was ten in New York and David ended up

596
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 3: in a Broadway show. It was his first job, and

597
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 3: that was really fun. But as we got to know

598
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 3: each other later, as we got, you know, closer in age,

599
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 3: and I'm in my twenties season his late twenties, and

600
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 3: I also now had this very similar experience because David

601
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 3: was a big pop star and eaty star off the

602
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 3: Partridge Family, and then I had a very similar experience

603
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 3: to his, like seven eight years later.

604
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: There are very few people that have had that experience.

605
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 3: So to be able to talk to him about it, like,

606
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, it was helpful for both of us.

607
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: I think, how did that happen for you?

608
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 3: You know?

609
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 4: I mean, because the way you talk right now is like, yes,

610
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 4: you didn't like the fame part your soul sort of

611
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 4: wants to find a dark room and creates stories. But

612
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 4: how did this all come about is did you want

613
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 4: to be a performer or.

614
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: Was this just something like fuck everyone's I knew, I

615
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: said earlier, I knew how to right. It was a

616
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: way I wanted out of my house. Here's true story.

617
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 3: I'll I signed a record contract when I was sixteen

618
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 3: while I'm in high school with Warner Brothers, and their

619
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 3: idea to break records for me was to record like

620
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 3: individual singles, put them out in various markets in Europe, Australia,

621
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 3: see if you can get a hit record. If you

622
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 3: get a hit record somewhere, then you can bring it

623
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 3: back to America, put it in front of the DJ

624
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 3: and it'll loop out of the pile of one hundred

625
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 3: that he's been given that week, you know. And I

626
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 3: ended up having like a number one record in Australia,

627
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 3: at a number one record in Germany. And I'm then

628
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 3: going back to high school in algebra, which was like

629
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 3: and then I graduated from high school. I haven't seen

630
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 3: any money, really, and do I go to college. Our

631
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 3: family's manager, who was like my aunt, basically said why

632
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 3: don't you go on some acting auditions, you know, see

633
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 3: if you can walk and talk at the same time. Job.

634
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 3: So I literally went into it like that, and my

635
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 3: second audition was The Hardy Boys, and I got the part,

636
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 3: and Warner Brothers then quickly hustled to put together the

637
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 3: rest of these records. So the show comes on, my

638
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 3: album comes out. It's the biggest selling solo debut in

639
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 3: history until Whitney Houston.

640
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 1: A few years later.

641
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 3: Wow, a big record nominated for to Me. I opened

642
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 3: the words, I'm like Beyonce and the show's a big

643
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 3: hit and it's happened, and all I want to do

644
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 3: is go back to my room.

645
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, wait, So when this is all going

646
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: down and you're doing.

647
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 3: This is going down while you're one years old running

648
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 3: around on the beach in Honolulu with Kate, but are you.

649
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 4: Just like, oh my god, wait a minute, Like I

650
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 4: don't really want to be doing this, but they're pushing me.

651
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: To do it. Me. It just scared me.

652
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 3: It was like too much.

653
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: But you had no choice, right, I mean you did

654
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: have a boy.

655
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I could have joined the army.

656
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 4: You could have said like I don't want to do this,

657
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 4: I don't want to do it, but but you did.

658
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 3: But I wasn't like I don't want to do this.

659
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 3: I just didn't have a drive to do it. I

660
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 3: just sort of okay, I'll try that seems like an

661
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 3: interesting experience. I love to sing.

662
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could sing. Yeah. I wasn't a very good

663
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: actor when I started. I got better, but I.

664
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 3: Mean I wasn't like on some train to be an actor.

665
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:13,280
Speaker 3: And the concerts were amazing, I mean Madison Square Garden.

666
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:18,280
Speaker 3: Then yeah, Astrodome, fifty five thousand people. It was crazy.

667
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 3: But like, by the time I was twenty one, I

668
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 3: got married partially to escape, like I want a family,

669
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 3: bought a house, did a whole thing, and kind of

670
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 3: stayed home for the eighties and read books. And you know,

671
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 3: all my friends had gone to college. I hadn't, so

672
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 3: I felt like I better try and catch up. So

673
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 3: I ended up reading way more than they did because

674
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 3: they were at keg parties or whatever they were. And

675
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 3: then at like twenty nine, I sold my first script

676
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 3: and off I went, and I've been doing this consistently

677
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 3: since then.

678
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:56,240
Speaker 1: So wait a minute.

679
00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 4: You probably had an opportunity, obviously, to continue their career

680
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 4: that you that sort of fell on your lap, right,

681
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 4: and to sort of parlay that into big, big things,

682
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 4: and you made the choice to say, you know, what

683
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 4: I did the touring, I played msg hardy boys, like Okay,

684
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 4: I'm done with.

685
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 3: This, yes, But also I was really fortunate my first

686
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,280
Speaker 3: script I wrote it was a show called American Gothic,

687
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 3: which I the last acting I did was a Broadway

688
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 3: show called Blood Brothers with David We did it for

689
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 3: like over a year and a half on Broadway, and

690
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 3: in the day I'd already had it gotten a little

691
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 3: office at Universal, where I still am, weirdly, and I

692
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 3: wrote the script called American Gothic that became a series.

693
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 3: Sam Raimi produced it with me, and Wow starred Gary Cole.

694
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 3: Sarah Paulson's first job had a great cast and became

695
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 3: like the darling of the nineteen ninety four TV season

696
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 3: Beautiful in the New York Times. So suddenly I'm like

697
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 3: a new kid, and people the show was very dark,

698
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 3: and my image had been very light, you know, buenex Door,

699
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 3: so that people couldn't quite get their head around how

700
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 3: those two things went together. And I was off and

701
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 3: running now and I've been doing the job happily and

702
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 3: relatively successfully for thirty years since then. But had that

703
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 3: not happened when they called me to play Vegas? When

704
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 3: I'm thirty five, I would have been in Vegas playing

705
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 3: yeah you got to old, Yeah, Yeah, yeah family. Yeah.

706
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 3: But you know, I didn't want to be justin Timberlake.

707
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 3: I didn't want to like take the teen idol thing

708
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 3: and transition to be serious artists. Now. I just didn't

709
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 3: want to.

710
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. I loved what I was doing.

711
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 3: I still do. Yeah at this stage in my life,

712
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,919
Speaker 3: to be able to go out and tell stories, which

713
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 3: is primarily I mean, I sing songs and there's music.

714
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,399
Speaker 3: But when people ask me, why would you go out

715
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 3: at this stage in your life if you never did

716
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 3: it all those other years, said because all those are

717
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 3: the years I thought i'd have to, with all respect

718
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 3: to Mick Jagger, putting on the same outfit and shaking

719
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 3: the way. You know, I couldn't get my head around

720
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 3: how do I do anything else? But I realized, oh,

721
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 3: storyteller thirty years.

722
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: I can tell.

723
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 3: Stories that people might find interesting or funny or emotional

724
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 3: or whatever, and sing songs, but present the songs in

725
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 3: a context that is fresh, so you don't feel like

726
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:27,720
Speaker 3: I'm just doing some old these tour.

727
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 4: That's cool, that's cool. As it set up, like, are

728
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 4: you already doing dates? I mean, is this something I

729
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 4: did it for four years and stopped last year. I

730
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 4: did it during the pandemic, which was yeah, yeah, yeah,

731
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 4: just out of the blue, they called me in Mark

732
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 4: and Philly in Boston to do shows around the holidays on.

733
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:45,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

734
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,760
Speaker 3: So I'm thinking that maybe at the end of next.

735
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: Year I'll go out with a real tour again. How

736
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 1: does that feel? Man? Because as a writer, you know

737
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: that you.

738
00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 4: Don't get that those performing nerves, know, even as an

739
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 4: actor doing like shows that we do, right, I mean,

740
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 4: it's like you know, your rolling camera and like like

741
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 4: here we go. I mean, have you felt that? And

742
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 4: you know, I know you've been doing it for the

743
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 4: last four years, but what is it like to get

744
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 4: on stage again and feel that sort of rush better?

745
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: It's way better.

746
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 3: Well again, when you're playing like a basketball arena, Yeah,

747
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 3: everybody's screaming, you can't really engage. You're just feeling this energy,

748
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 3: which is amazing. But now I can look people in

749
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 3: the eye and actually have interaction, talk about things that

750
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 3: kind are funny or meaningful or you know, hopefully interesting,

751
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 3: and have a shared experience the other You know, I'm

752
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 3: stupid because I'm I thought, well, I'm the only one

753
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 3: who's changed. It's like, no, no, the whole audience has changed.

754
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 3: They've a lot, we've gotten married with the wars or

755
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 3: head kids. So they bring something to the party too,

756
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 3: you know. And it's actually beautiful. It's really it's really fun.

757
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: You should call my dad because the Hudson Brothers are

758
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: going back out on tour. They are Yeah that Oh

759
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,479
Speaker 1: my god, I'm fuck dude, Like I mean, a.

760
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 4: Billion years ago, I mean, they are always in some

761
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 4: sort of tumultuous situation where they're not talking to each other.

762
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 4: Now they're friends, and now this one's talking to this

763
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 4: Now I'm not talking. It's the brother thing, you know,

764
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 4: and then and then, but now you know, they're together.

765
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 4: They got the band back together, and they're they got

766
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 4: dates there going on the road.

767
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: You guys should reunite, you know, open, free, open for

768
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 1: each other. That's awesome. That's fun, man, that's good for

769
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: you too.

770
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 3: I've seen some videos.

771
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, big voice, Oh it's big. Yes, this

772
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: is It's been so great for her her.

773
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 4: You know, she's accomplished, you know, so much as an

774
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 4: actor and a businesswoman, and singing is always something that

775
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 4: she loved to do but was afraid to do. And

776
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 4: Kate's not really afraid of much, but she faced those fears.

777
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:15,399
Speaker 4: She said, fuck it, let's go.

778
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: You know. I think she financed some of it herself.

779
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: I could be wrong about that, I don't know, but

780
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,280
Speaker 1: she just put her money where her mouth was literally

781
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: and just crushed it. I mean, she is. Her album

782
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: is great, you know. Her voice is big and real

783
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 1: and gritty, and we've seen her multiple times and it's

784
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 1: just been really fun for her and for us to

785
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 1: sort of watch her fulfill.

786
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 3: Do you have any musical anything. Do you play any

787
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 3: instruments or.

788
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: Don't play any instruments? My biggest regret, honestly is I

789
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: wish I played instruments. Yeah, I make the joke like

790
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: I don't know. Dad left when I was a kid,

791
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: but you know, really what I.

792
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 4: Hate him for is he just didn't teach me the guitar,

793
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 4: you know, I mean, and that's the bummer.

794
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: I love music. I love to sing. I can sing, you.

795
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 4: Know, but no, I mean I don't. I don't have

796
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 4: any sort of real aspirations, you know.

797
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 3: But kids.

798
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 1: Rio, my daughter is like a performer through and through

799
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 1: and through. I mean, it's nuts.

800
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 4: She's just she's eleven and she loves to sing, and

801
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 4: she takes you know, hours of dance class every week.

802
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: And she does plays. I mean, she's just I don't know,

803
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:31,919
Speaker 1: I don't know where she came from. Dude.

804
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 4: She's like sets her alarm at six twenty in the morning,

805
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 4: she's dressed, she's ready, she makes her own lunch. You know,

806
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 4: we're still in bed, and Rio's like ready to roll,

807
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 4: ready to go. I mean, she's extremely self sufficient. Her

808
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 4: executive functioning is better than mine. She's she's amazing.

809
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: All my kids are great. They all want to be actors.

810
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 4: Wilder, my oldest just finished his first acting class, which

811
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 4: is an adult acting class, which was good.

812
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: I want him to be with adults. He loved it.

813
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 4: Body my middle kid, when he's now fourteen, When he

814
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 4: was ten, he actually did a pilot that I did

815
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 4: sitcom and he auditioned for it. I thought it was

816
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 4: just going to be a guest spot, but apparently it

817
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 4: was a regular. So he tested for the network, tested

818
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 4: for the studio, and got the gig. And so everyone's

819
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 4: sort of dabbling into it, you know what I mean,

820
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 4: They're all they're all on that on the path.

821
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 3: Anyway, maybe I'll see them in my travels. Maybe I'll

822
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:28,919
Speaker 3: have a show they come in for. That'll be fun.

823
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, well we need to how about us, like,

824
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: let's fucking do something to do? Are you in La now?

825
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: I'm in La. I live in La.

826
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 4: I live in Brentwood, And yeah, you got your Universal deal?

827
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 4: What is your deal at Universal? Is it like a

828
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 4: first look or an exclusive deal?

829
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 3: No, it's an overall. I've got an overall a long time.

830
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: So you got to go there first though, before anything.

831
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 3: No, I mean NBC Universal you basically, Yeah, there are

832
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 3: NBC's the mother Ships. So you pitched that, pitched a peacock. Yeah,

833
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 3: they don't want it, and they don't want everything. Yeah,

834
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 3: you go everywhere.

835
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

836
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 4: So yeah, I've had this deal at Fox now for

837
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 4: a couple of years. We're in our second year and

838
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:12,240
Speaker 4: it's been so fun. It is like sort of reinvigorated

839
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,800
Speaker 4: my creativity, you know, as you know, as an actor,

840
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 4: you're only as creative as the script that you're given

841
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 4: and the material, and then you're waiting and auditioning for

842
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 4: that gig.

843
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: Where this is you're controlling your own destiny.

844
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 4: And you know, we've sold a bunch of shows we're

845
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 4: in development, and a bunch of comedies and dramas, and

846
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,760
Speaker 4: it's just so much fun.

847
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: I love it, really do. Well.

848
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 3: You just said it. One of the reasons I didn't

849
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 3: love acting is you have to wait for somebody to

850
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 3: call you. And yeah, it's like magician, I can make

851
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 3: my own work.

852
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:44,720
Speaker 1: I can work for other people.

853
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 3: Yeah.

854
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:51,760
Speaker 4: How much does your experience growing up sort of factor

855
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 4: into you as a parent?

856
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: And you this is your second time around, right, you

857
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: have other kids? Third?

858
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 4: Okay, so how have you seen how have you at

859
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 4: least upon reflection, if you ever have.

860
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: Evolved as a dad? I'm old. Did you do it

861
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 1: differently when you were young? Yes?

862
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 3: It wasn't good. I mean you weren't good. No, I

863
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 3: was twenty one.

864
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: You were twenty one when you and your first kid.

865
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 3: I was nineteen when I met my first wife. She

866
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 3: had an eight year old. So there's a human being

867
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 3: out there who's eleven years younger than me.

868
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: I called the dad who I raised.

869
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 3: And we had two kids by the time I was

870
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 3: twenty five, and so I have like real grown up Yeah.

871
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:44,760
Speaker 3: And I got married from second time, like fifteen years later,

872
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 3: and that marriage didn't last very long, but a beautiful

873
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 3: daughter who's twenty five now. And then I met Tracy,

874
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 3: my wife or life. I've been married to over twenty

875
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 3: years and we have a great marriage. But we have

876
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 3: four more kids. So I got a lot of kids

877
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,240
Speaker 3: and Thanksgiving lot of people and hey, they bring people.

878
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but how am I better? Uh? More patient,

879
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 3: more understanding, less fearful. I've watched the arc of how

880
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 3: they change. You know, when my my girls stopped talking

881
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 3: to me at fourteen, that's normal. They come back to

882
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 3: me at sixteen and then I'm wonderful again, and so

883
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 3: I am lest I think by that stuff.

884
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you're gonna take it as personally right, No,

885
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 4: I dude, I know what you mean. I you know

886
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,919
Speaker 4: my seventeen year old, fourteen year old, you know, they

887
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 4: go through these things.

888
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the fuck happened to you?

889
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 4: Like you two years ago you were not getting out

890
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 4: of my bed and you were saying, dad, can you

891
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 4: please cuddle?

892
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 1: And now it's over. I'm non existent. But you can't

893
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:57,280
Speaker 1: take that personally. They'll be back. Yeah, yeah, you just can't.

894
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 3: I talk to my twenty five year old daughter almost

895
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 3: every day. We're really close and our son, our oldest son,

896
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 3: not my oldest son, but our oldest son, went to

897
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 3: college last year as a baseball player. Six five is

898
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 3: a big guy and a really really good athlete, and

899
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 3: I'm just loving the experience of seeing him become a man, yeah,

900
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 3: and sharing it with his mom, which in experience I

901
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 3: never had. And I never had an adult relationship with

902
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 3: my father because he passed.

903
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: Away so young.

904
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 3: So my son, my oldest son, is going to be

905
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 3: forty this year, was one of my closest friends. And

906
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 3: it's an amazing relationship because in his case, I'm a

907
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 3: very young dad.

908
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: Most of us don't have a dad as young as

909
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 1: I am.

910
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 3: In my thirteen year old daughter's case, I'm the old dad.

911
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 4: So yeah, wow, you you run a really I mean,

912
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 4: there's probably not a lot like you out there.

913
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: As far as.

914
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 3: Your friend Euselli, I'm a romantic.

915
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: And no, no, no, I get it. I get it.

916
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:11,919
Speaker 1: I get it. Wow. That's really really cool. And your

917
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 1: relationships have just sort of flourished with all your kids,

918
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 1: like you've maintained that connection that love. It's pretty awesome.

919
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:23,800
Speaker 3: Christmas and Thanksgiving it really fun.

920
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: You ever thought about writing something? I mean, it's so different.

921
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:29,399
Speaker 3: Well I do.

922
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: I think I just disguised a great family story in there.

923
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 3: Writing a feature right now, a little side thing about

924
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 3: a guy who's been married three times with kids from

925
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 3: three different ones.

926
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 1: And yeah, most of them are adults.

927
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:46,760
Speaker 3: All of them movie, I think are adults.

928
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that's it's such a great deep

929
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: there's so much to explore in all those relationships. I mean,

930
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: it's pretty cool.

931
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 3: It's so fast though, that's the thing. It's like, it's

932
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 3: just I know people say when you're a little kid,

933
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, but.

934
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:05,240
Speaker 1: It's just it's a rocket ship. Look at you.

935
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 4: No, I'm experiencing that right now, man, Like you know

936
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 4: all the things that our parents told us, well, hey,

937
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 4: you know, take advantage of this or don't forget this

938
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 4: or remember this time. And I mean, now as you

939
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 4: get older, that's that shit is true. I said it

940
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 4: to my kids and they're like, oh, I'm like, don't

941
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 4: I know what you're gonna do, But trust me because

942
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 4: I can't even believe it. My kid's going to go

943
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,919
Speaker 4: to college and that was my little butter ball when

944
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 4: he's out of his room. I'm an emotional human, like

945
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:36,760
Speaker 4: I'm going to be devastated.

946
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:38,439
Speaker 1: Oh buddy, it's toy story four.

947
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 3: You'll walk around the house and you'll see his little stuff.

948
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: Can and it's it's like a death.

949
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 3: They don't tell you that either when you're to college. Yeah,

950
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 3: just like it's really an adjustment. And we have another

951
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 3: one about to go this year. Then they'll just be

952
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 3: the two girls here years though, you know, empty nest.

953
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, no, I no, no, you're right.

954
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 4: It is like a death because you know, when I

955
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 4: put myself, you know, just project myself into that moment

956
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 4: and you walk by his room and all the stuff

957
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 4: is still there, but he's just not there anymore.

958
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: It's still like, oh, oh my god, Wilder. Even though

959
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: it wasn't chatty Kathy all the time, I was like,

960
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 1: he was just there and it felt good, you know,

961
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: and now it's gone. It's crazy. It's crazy, dude.

962
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 4: But it does make you realize, you know, having kids,

963
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 4: for me, really put into perspective how much my parents

964
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:46,959
Speaker 4: love me. And instead of taking that for granted, once

965
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 4: I had kids, I'm able to sort of appreciate it more.

966
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 4: You know, when they look at you, Mom looks at you,

967
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 4: and it's look, I just love you so much. They

968
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 4: get emotional watching you do something and.

969
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: You're like, what is going on? Like what? Yeah, now

970
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 1: I understand that fully, you know. I'm sure mom's looking

971
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 1: at me like I cannot believe you're forty eight years old.

972
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure she's also bursting with pride.

973
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:16,720
Speaker 4: Yes, well, dude, this has been fun, Sean. Thank you

974
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 4: for coming on, buddy, and it's been great to reconnect, honestly.

975
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 3: Like it's the reason I did it.

976
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 1: I see you. I was very excited to see you talk. Dude.

977
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 4: You look amazing by the way you look like. I

978
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 4: think you've gotten younger. You look fucking great.

979
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm less stressed than I was.

980
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it's true. You look great. You look great

981
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: for you. Yeah, and then maybe we can I don't know,

982
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:40,399
Speaker 1: hopefully when you reconnect, maybe in the new year.

983
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 3: But we can take a little drive up to the

984
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 3: wine country. I love it wine by the way. Oh

985
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 3: my wife will kill me if I don't mention it.

986
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got my first crush.

987
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, my crush dot com. We make a war. Two rows, Santa.

988
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 1: Rina Hills Grapes, Yep, Sam's cart backyard.

989
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 3: So come on up, we'll share some more.

990
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 1: My first crush. Let's do it. Buy it? Yeah, I

991
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 1: want to drink that. Let's do it. I would love

992
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: to all your family from you too. Brother. It's great

993
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:09,919
Speaker 1: talking to you man.

994
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:15,280
Speaker 4: All right, Buddy shodcast man, it's been a minute.

995
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: He looks great.

996
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 4: That was really really fun, really really fun to talk

997
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 4: to him. We had a blast doing that show. He is,

998
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:25,800
Speaker 4: you know, a very talented writer.

999
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: You know. It just seems, honestly right.

1000
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 4: Now, just very content and I I'm happy for him

1001
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 4: and his family and what a guy.

1002
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 1: All Right, I'm out of here. Piece