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Speaker 1: with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. What's up everybody, DJ?

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Speaker 1: Bucky here, Move the Sticks and a special conversation for

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Speaker 1: today's episode. Buck. I feel like we've we've been able

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Speaker 1: to get some coaches we're interested in talking to each

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Speaker 1: and every week on the show. Really highlighted last week

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Speaker 1: by by urban Meyer. If you have if you've missed

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Speaker 1: that interview, you want to go back and check that out.

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Speaker 1: It with outstanding. But we've got another good one today, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Gray one. Today James Franklin, the head coach of Penn State,

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Speaker 1: joins the program in DJ. You and I have talked

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Speaker 1: offline about how important it is to not only talk

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Speaker 1: to coaches who have orchestrated turnarounds, but guys who have

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Speaker 1: proven formulas for can straight and turnarounds that multiple programs

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Speaker 1: where James Franklin has done it. He did it at Vanderbilt,

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Speaker 1: he has since done it at Penn State. And to

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Speaker 1: have Penn State consistently competing not only for the Big

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Speaker 1: Ten title, but being in the conversation to be in

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Speaker 1: the playoff four, that is what you want to see.

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Speaker 1: So I'm excited to talk to him about the things

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Speaker 1: that he has done to create the culture at Penn State. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a culture really based off toughness and uh and

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to talk to him about how they're

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Speaker 1: able to cultivate that. One of the questions we always

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Speaker 1: you find them? Or do you do you build them?

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Speaker 1: You know what, do they exist out there you gotta go,

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Speaker 1: you know, locate them or do you have to be

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Speaker 1: trained up and and and ingrain that toughness on him

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Speaker 1: once they get on campus. So those are conversation looking

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Speaker 1: forward to having with coach Franklin and and Buckets. It's

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Speaker 1: always interesting we get to talk to a coach coming

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Speaker 1: off of a loss. Now, this team had been rolling,

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Speaker 1: was in the top four in the country. Tough loss

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Speaker 1: last week in Minnesota's also looking forward to chatting with

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Speaker 1: him of of how you refocus a team. Get him

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Speaker 1: and go yeah, Like, it would be interesting to talk

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Speaker 1: to him because when we talk to these coaches were

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Speaker 1: How do you kind of pick them up off the mat?

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Speaker 1: How do you get them to take on the resiliency

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Speaker 1: that the head coach has. So we'll be able to

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Speaker 1: ask James Franklin does questions and a couple more. Well,

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Speaker 1: let's stop, We'll stop telling you what we we're gonna

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Speaker 1: ask him and let's just do it. Um. Here's our

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Speaker 1: conversation with the head coach Penn State University, James Franklin. Alright, coach,

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Speaker 1: appreciate your time today. The first question from me, You

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Speaker 1: use this. You have a choice, and in my mind

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Speaker 1: everything is used for fuel. When you win a game,

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Speaker 1: Well for us that that's where we we really try

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Speaker 1: And I think we've we've done a pretty good job

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Speaker 1: Obviously hard to have this conversation after, you know, just

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Speaker 1: it was received. Well, you know, you're talking about one

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Speaker 1: Should you know, coach, what was interesting about what you

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Speaker 1: just said. You said you can't necessarily take one model

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Speaker 1: How do you know what things are able to be

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Speaker 1: school where you're at, like a Penn State. Well, to me,

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Speaker 1: that's where like your core values, that that's where they

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Speaker 1: philosophy is critical. So like for me, it sounds very simplistic,

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Speaker 1: So you know, every decision you make within that organization

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Speaker 1: So my point is those big picture, common themes that

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Speaker 1: or most of the information. And that's where the relationships

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Speaker 1: are critical. Coach, I know you've got to under practice.

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Speaker 1: So last thing, we've asked this to every guy. We've

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Speaker 1: got some great stories. Um, best high school football player

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Speaker 1: We've heard Alan Iverson, We've heard Frank Gore, We've heard

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Speaker 1: off of I don't say that that's everybody's done it.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's done it. Coach, you gotta do it. Man. Wow,

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Speaker 1: you know who got Sammy watch got a ton of

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Speaker 1: it's hard for me not to say, say Kwon Barkley,

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you're allowed, You're allowed, You're allowed

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Speaker 1: to say you got loud like a har saying it's

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Speaker 1: hard to go against that guy. It's a cool picture

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Speaker 1: shot over Sae Kwon's shoulder. It's Sae quon's back, shot

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Speaker 1: my man say nothing wrong with that coach, nothing wrong.

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Speaker 1: You're allowed, coach, You're allowed. Hey, thank you so much. Man. Again,

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Speaker 1: We've got pages full of notes that we learned a

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Speaker 1: lot today and know you you've got a busy week ahead,

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Speaker 1: do appreciate it. Thanks, guys, have a great day. Well,

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Speaker 1: Buck can't thank coach Franklin enough for his time that

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Speaker 1: with him. The big takeaways I thought the toughness conversation

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Speaker 1: make them tough. Yeah. I think I think there is

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Speaker 1: you can kind of show them the way and give

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Speaker 1: But what about when that same coach doesn't have all

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Speaker 1: be able to work around it? Obviously, with James Franklin,

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Speaker 1: to other things. And so I do believe it was

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Speaker 1: what he's accustomed to, and make sure that you're bringing

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Speaker 1: all these great ideas that you've generated. You know, across

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Speaker 1: plan and present your plan. I think just coming in

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Speaker 1: out the lay of the land is a mistake. That's

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Speaker 1: great advice, not just in the coaching world, but even

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Speaker 1: outside that world. You take a new job, take a

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Speaker 1: I think so. I think you have to understand what

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Speaker 1: You need to make sure you kind of ingratiate yourself

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Speaker 1: to the culture, understand what the coach is before you

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Speaker 1: begin to make these radical changes. Absolutely well, it was

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Speaker 1: a fun conversation there with coach James Franklin. We continue

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Speaker 1: to have these conversations on a weekly basis. Hope you

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Speaker 1: guys enjoy them as much as we do. Uh, that's

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Speaker 1: gonna do it for us today. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for tuning in to move the sticks. We'll catch you

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