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Speaker 1: All right, three two. Welcome everyone. This is View from

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Speaker 1: the Raptors. It is my absolute pleasure to welcome in

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Speaker 1: one of the pillars of this organization. Everybody, forget, don't

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Speaker 1: a dream to coach. Always Gonna be Green Baby. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to View from the Rafters behind the scenes with the

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Speaker 1: Bus and Celtics, presented by Cardless. Here are your hosts,

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Speaker 1: Mark Demiko and Shawn Grandy. All right, everyone, just a

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Speaker 1: reminder to rate, subscribe and download if you want to

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Speaker 1: hear us every week. That is the best way to

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Speaker 1: make that happen. Now, Sean. Last night we all learned

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Speaker 1: with the full list of the fifteen members of the

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Speaker 1: seventy anniversary All Celtics team is and man Sean. It

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Speaker 1: is stacked with Hall of famers, with champions, with people

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Speaker 1: in the raftors very soon after everyone hears this um.

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Speaker 1: But we wanted to get is many of those guys

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Speaker 1: we did in honor of this announcement last night. So

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Speaker 1: we went out. We got Bob Couzy to talk about

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Speaker 1: recent years. And there's not many organizations around this league

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Speaker 1: beauty of the seventy five years is that, of course

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Speaker 1: pleasure to welcome in in all times Celtics Legends, Celtics Great,

437
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Speaker 1: a member of the seventy fifth Anniversary All Celtics Team

438
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: and a member of the NBA seventy fifth Anniversary Team.

439
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 1: Dave Cowen's Dave, thank you for coming out with us

440
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: number one and number two. Does it still feel as

441
00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 1: special to hear these accolades still rolling in, you know,

442
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: this far after your playing days came to an end. Well,

443
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: sure it does. It. It's always good to hear an

444
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 1: affirmation about you know, what kind of effect you had

445
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: on people that like basketball, the fans, the kids, you know,

446
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: and we're we're you know, we promote the game of basketball.

447
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 1: That was part of the thrill of being a player

448
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: and a teacher and a coach is to just keep

449
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: the game moving forward. Um, because that's what everybody did

450
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 1: for us prior to coming in, and uh we I

451
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 1: think we did our part. You definitely did, and you

452
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: took home a couple of championships in those seventies years.

453
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: And two of your longtime teammates also were chosen to

454
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: the seventy fifth anniversary All Celtics Team, and Joe Joe

455
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: White and John Halcheck. Can you kind of just take

456
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:51,959
Speaker 1: us back to those days and what it was like

457
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 1: spending you know, eight or nine season seasons with those

458
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: guys and raising a couple of banners with them here

459
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: in Boston. Well, it was you know, they talked about,

460
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: if you're gonna win a championship, you need at least

461
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: three guys that have the ability to make an All

462
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Speaker 1: Star team. And so we were very blessed the fact

463
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: that we had Joe Joe. I got to play with

464
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: Joe Joe and John Um and then and then when

465
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 1: Paul Silas came, he was another guy you know that

466
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: made All All Star Team. One one year, I think

467
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: we had four guys on the All Star team. The

468
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: Knicks had like three guys on the All Star team. So, like,

469
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: you know, like only three or four teams were represented

470
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: by the East that you know that particular year. But

471
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: that's just the way it was, what you know, And

472
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: I'm not sure who voted for and how everybody got

473
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: on the team at that point. I don't know if

474
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: they had fan voting then or not. Hey, Sean, I

475
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,479
Speaker 1: know you want to jump in and talk about the seventies,

476
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: so let's get to it. Well, one of the common

477
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: themes they've in when you ever recap Celtics history and

478
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: we see the legends coming back into the building from

479
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: at the time, it's sort of the passing on of

480
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: the legacy from the team from the sixties to the

481
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: seventies to the eighties. But go back to nine. When

482
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: you walked into this situation, there wasn't ESPN, there wasn't

483
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: the Internet, there wasn't How aware were you of what

484
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: you were walking into? Just seemed normal because there wasn't

485
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: any of that anywhere else ever either. I mean, you

486
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: didn't have talk shows, you didn't have anybody covering the game.

487
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: If you went on the road, you played the game.

488
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: The only people who knew you were in the in

489
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: the in the city with the people that went to

490
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: that ball game that night, and maybe somebody listened to

491
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: the radio Johnny. Most you know are the guys down

492
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia, in that area. So when the game was over,

493
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: there were no interviews after the game. There were no

494
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: interviews before the game. There were no replays, there were

495
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: no highlight films, there was no JumboTron, there was no

496
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: none of it. It was just that was the game

497
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: and you moved on, just like if you were playing

498
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: a high school game. Someplay kind of the same thing.

499
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: How do how do you compare that? I'm just curious

500
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Speaker 1: to get your take, Dave, Like, how do you compare

501
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: that to what you see nowadays and what you experience

502
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: if you go to an NBA game now? Which which

503
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: did you like more? Well, it's it's just, you know,

504
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: the game, everything is hyped up so much now you

505
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: know people do. It's just it's just again promoting the game,

506
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: and and it's you know, it's it's evolved to what

507
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: it is. Um. You know, there's pros and cons to everything,

508
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: and I'm you know, you want to want to compare

509
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: and break everything down. There's so many things that are

510
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: different with this game than what I played. And until

511
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: probably until the late eighties or nineties, it was kind

512
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: of the same. And after that it kind of took

513
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: on a whole new genre of this is what we're

514
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: gonna do, this is what's important, opening it up a

515
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: lot more dribbling, a lot more perimeter shooting a lot more,

516
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: dunking wide open, getting to the basket. You know, it

517
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: was just it was just so different. And um, but

518
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: I look at the things that say, well, what happens

519
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: now when I'm watching a basketball game, that did not

520
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: happen when I play. Well, first of all, people didn't

521
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: fall down very much. Now everybody's falling down out of

522
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: bounds all the time, right, Nobody high five when you

523
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: miss free throws are made free throw The bench didn't care.

524
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: They were hoping you would get in foul trouble so

525
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: they could actually go in and play. So they were

526
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: all hyped up about you and jumping all over place

527
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: and holding people back. If you dunked the ball, you

528
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: dunked the ball and that was it. You know. There

529
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: was no there was no the shenanigans about you know, yelling.

530
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: I never saw anybody yell after doing something or flex

531
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: or act like you've got muscles and all that others.

532
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: You know, it's just it's just all of that, the

533
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: theatrical things that are going on now that it's just

534
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: part of the show. And um, so ours was much more,

535
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: some dude, um in terms of the environment. Um, I

536
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: we wanted I don't think I ever went over and

537
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: showed anybody's hand after a ballgame, no matter it was

538
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: to win a championship or playing a game or whatever.

539
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: It was just you walked off the floor. It's the

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00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: interesting site when we wanted seventy four in Milwaukee, if

541
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: you ever see what happened at the end of that game,

542
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: all the Bucks just walked off the floor. They didn't

543
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: come over and say anything to us, But we didn't

544
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: say anything to that. We just kind of went our

545
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: own way and that was it, you know. And so

546
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: so it's just a whole different environment because well, in

547
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: terms of the relationships within the players, I didn't know

548
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: any of those guys. I didn't have I didn't play

549
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: au with him, or I wouldn't involve in anything growing

550
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: up high school. You know. Now it's just they're they're

551
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: together part of this whole basketball scene from the time

552
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: they're thirteen years old. If they're good enough, you know

553
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: what I mean. That's they're going from one school to

554
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: another school trying to get on a good team so

555
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: they can win something. And then you know, it's just

556
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: a total different, total different deal, you know. So there's

557
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: that's just something one of some of the things that

558
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: are kind of interesting. Of course, we didn't have any

559
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: instant replay, you know, we didn't have an arc to

560
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: take charges we add to the game. It's just so

561
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: many rule changes, you know. And you were able to

562
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: get up in people. You ever put a hand on somebody,

563
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: you couldn't didn't have the backball just because they were

564
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,959
Speaker 1: facing the basket. Um. But um, you know, I can't

565
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: go on and on. There's just so many differences in

566
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: the game. And I just say, if the people like it,

567
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: it's entertaining, and that's all that mattered, you know what

568
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: I mean, Because as all the sports have changed the

569
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: same way. Imagine what Johnny would have done with those

570
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: instant replay breaks and they're looking at the replay. I

571
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: don't know what they're looking at. I saw it. So

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00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: you mentioned that the seventy four Finols, which I've become

573
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 1: fascinated with. I'm too young to remember the game in

574
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: the seventies, but I'm fascinated with it because it becomes

575
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 1: It's a part of NBA's history that doesn't get discussed.

576
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: If you talk to Celtics fans, depending on their age,

577
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: they're gonna talk about Garnett, Pierson, Allen if they're a

578
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: certain age, if they're older, they'll talk about Bird and

579
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: McHale and Parish in that Big three, and then there

580
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: are people that will talk about Bill Russell's. But the

581
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 1: seventies gets overlooked. And when you talk about seventy four,

582
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 1: even within its context, seventy four compared to seventy six,

583
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: I don't think people talk nearly enough about it, particularly

584
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 1: in Boston and the Celtics group, because I think that

585
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,399
Speaker 1: seventy six game is on TV a lot, It gets

586
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: replayed a lot. Seventy You got to go to YouTube

587
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 1: to find the stuff from seventy four. It had been

588
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: five years since the Celtics had won a championship. You

589
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: guys hadn't won one. And that doesn't seem like a

590
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 1: lot now, But back then, people in Boston were used

591
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: to winning a championship every year. Was there any going

592
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: into that season and you had the amazing year the

593
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: year before and half a check gets hurt and you

594
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: lose the Knicks in the conference final. Was there pressure

595
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 1: even that you put on yourselves going into that season

596
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: that we need to there's something here in Boston we

597
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: have to live up to that this group, we have

598
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: to win a championship. Never, I never thought that way.

599
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: To me, I didn't even care about thinking to so

600
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: much so we have to win a game. To me,

601
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: it was just okay, you go out here and compete.

602
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: The pressure came when, okay, you gotta make a free throw,

603
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: you know, to win a ball game or tie it

604
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,240
Speaker 1: up or something like that, or you gotta get a stop.

605
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: Then sort of the pressure comes because it's it's finite,

606
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: you know, I got to do something otherwise gonna go

607
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:41,720
Speaker 1: one way or the other. But I never worried about

608
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: any of that stuff because it's a waste of time.

609
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Speaker 1: And all that matters is that, you know, you say,

610
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Speaker 1: one possession at a time, one trip up and down

611
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: you're doing. That's all it matters, is that are you

612
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 1: doing the right thing consistently and a little bit maybe

613
00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: better at times than somebody else is doing. And try

614
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: to get them, you know, you try to get a

615
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 1: w along the way, you know, and if you don't

616
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: get it, well, there's a game and in a day

617
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: or so and try to make up. You know. One

618
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: of the things we thought in UM seventy two we

619
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: set goals. I mean, everybody sets goal, Yeah, I want

620
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: to win the championship. Everybody says that, right, But for us,

621
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 1: it was like we were experienced enough saying let's not

622
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 1: lose two games in a row. So then automatically you're

623
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: gonna have a pretty good record if you adhere to

624
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,399
Speaker 1: that goal that you don't lose two games in a row,

625
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: and so you string out and that one in seventy

626
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 1: seventy three when we still I think I have the

627
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: best one lost record in Southic history, losing fourteen. We

628
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: lost more games at home than we did on the road,

629
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Speaker 1: and we didn't lose we we had streaks of win eight,

630
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: lose one, you know, win six, lose one, win four,

631
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: lose one, you know that kind of the way the

632
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:57,720
Speaker 1: season went along. So we didn't have those big winning

633
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 1: streaks like l A did the year before when they

634
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: want like thirty three in a row or something that

635
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 1: they only lost thirteen game. So we did ours a

636
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: whole lot of ore. We we accomplished what we accomplished

637
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: so much differently, you know than that. And that was

638
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: a talking point in the locker room, Dave, that everyone

639
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: was kind of saying that we're not gonna lose two,

640
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Speaker 1: and maybe not in the locker room or just on

641
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: the plane or the buzzing, just kind of what we

642
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: went around was, you know, that was one of those

643
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 1: things to say that makes sense. So then you lose

644
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: the game, you say, Okay, we gotta get down to

645
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: business this next game. We gotta make sure we you know,

646
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: we we we close it out. And a nice thing

647
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: about John hamil Check and Joe Joe White because they

648
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: were finishing. We had those two guys that could finish

649
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: the game for you in a number of different ways.

650
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 1: And what you're saying plays into Listen. I spent twenty

651
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 1: years with Tommy and he probably told me the story

652
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: of the days between Game six and Game seven and

653
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: seventy four so many times I can't I couldn't even

654
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 1: count how many times you told me the story and

655
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: what you're saying. The personality of that team was unaffected

656
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,399
Speaker 1: by the fact that people don't realize this again, look

657
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 1: it up, kids, these were road games. The road team

658
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: kept winning in that series. Milwaukee came to Boston in

659
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: one Game six and they forced a Game seven in

660
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: their building, and Tommy, it seemed and the personality this

661
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: team were sort of unfazed by going on the road

662
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: to try to win. We won three road games in

663
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 1: that seven game series. They won two. I think you

664
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: know they won that. We won the first game in Milwaukee,

665
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: they won the second one. We come back, We win,

666
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: the first game in Boston, they win the second one.

667
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: We go there, we win, They come here, they win,

668
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: We go there, we went. So it's like the road

669
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,919
Speaker 1: made no difference. And I really felt that way back then,

670
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: the road it was not a factor at all. The

671
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 1: only thing we talked about on the road is that

672
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: who the officials were, because some officials like to stick

673
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: it to the crown and there for the you know,

674
00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:01,280
Speaker 1: for the home team. So they were they're saying, okay,

675
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 1: he's not gonna get affected by it, and maybe even

676
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: leading towards helping U, you know, on the visitor's side.

677
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: And he had other ones that like, you know, they're

678
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 1: listed and they're hearing at all, and maybe they can

679
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: get affected a little bit. I think buying large referees

680
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: do a pretty good job. You know, they're pretty even

681
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:21,879
Speaker 1: even Stephen about things blowing away. It's not an easy job,

682
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 1: that that is for sure. Now they there's another one.

683
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,439
Speaker 1: There's another one. Now they've got three of I think

684
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: they only have one. I'd love to see that. Now

685
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: you're talking about what people want to watch on TV.

686
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: That would be interesting. I'm and I'm so glad that

687
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: they're not calling all that chippy stuff and they're allowing

688
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: people to play around the basket and they're not anticipating calls.

689
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 1: They're not giving the guys jumping into people and all that,

690
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: because that's just I don't know that, that's just it. Um,

691
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: it's like a it's a mar on the game. It's

692
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 1: just not real. Doesn't seem fair. You know what I

693
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,479
Speaker 1: mean is just let him go out and play. And

694
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: you know he said the greatest athlete. Oh that's another thing.

695
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: I never had anybody come help pick me up off

696
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: the floor. And everybody can't get and these are the

697
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: best athletes in the world. They can't get up off

698
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: the floor by themself. I don't get that. You know,

699
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: they need help. And then they'll just wait there like this,

700
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: Come on, someone come get me. You know, that's just

701
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: you know, Tim Duncan used to not do that. Tim

702
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: Duncan and go down. He get right, he popped right

703
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 1: up because he didn't want anybody helping him. I don't

704
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: like him a lot just for that. You'd like to

705
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,240
Speaker 1: say Max loses his mind to this day when somebody

706
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: helps somebody else up and said, listen, if somebody came

707
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: into your house to steal something, you wouldn't hold the

708
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: doors over the guy. It's a college thing. It's that

709
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 1: whole phoney kind of team and you know, sports teamwork

710
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 1: and all that. It's like having to go shake hands

711
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: after a game in college. You gotta be kidding me,

712
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: Why would I want to do that. It's the stupidest thing,

713
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: you know, but they do it anyway because it looks good,

714
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: you know, like we have we all like each other. No,

715
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 1: we don't. We don't like you. We're just trying to

716
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:02,879
Speaker 1: beat you. We don't want to go over and say

717
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: nice game, nice game, Nice game, nice game. I love

718
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 1: hearing that. There are some differences on and on and on.

719
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: You know, it's just cultural in a way. It's not

720
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: so much just about the game and the rules, but

721
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: it's just cultural. Yeah, no question. Hey, Sean just mentioned

722
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: a minute ago Tommy UM, and he's also on this list.

723
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 1: I know Tommy coached you. I think it was for

724
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 1: eight seasons, UM, including those those championships. What's it mean

725
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: to you to to be on this all Celtics team

726
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,919
Speaker 1: with a guy like Tommy Um, who obviously we lost

727
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 1: within the last year or so. Um, but just just

728
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: to be on this fifteen player list with him, what's

729
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: that mean to you? Dave? Well, first of all, I

730
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 1: didn't know I had made to listen to it. We

731
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: got on this podcast here, So I'm I'm I'm honored

732
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: and you know, humble that I'm on the list with

733
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: all these different players, because if you think about it,

734
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: I don't know, I was trying to think, um, how

735
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: many players are on the list. There are players made

736
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: the list. Think about how many players play for the

737
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 1: Celtics from forty for the less seventy five year and

738
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: to be one of the guys chosen from all those

739
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: great athletes you know over time, is it's pretty special,

740
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: you know. Um. So with Tommy, Yeah, you know, I'm

741
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 1: glad that he made it because it's you know, I

742
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: got to vote for the seventy and um did you start?

743
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: You know, you can go top thirty guys, real simple.

744
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: You get down thirty. After maybe fifty guys, they start going,

745
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: wait a minute here, and I gotta check. I gotta

746
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: go look at him. I gotta check the staff. How

747
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: many times did they do this set together when they

748
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: were in the playoffs and their numbers go up? Did

749
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,280
Speaker 1: they go down? You know, there's a lot of factors

750
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: in terms of how much of an impact somebody had

751
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: over their career and while they were playing, you know,

752
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: and then sometimes there's longevity somebody did a really well

753
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: for a long period of time that you know, as

754
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: you get to get put weight on a lot of

755
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: different things, uh factors. But you know, it's uh, it's

756
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 1: tough to try to say. You know, it's Bill Um,

757
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: Bill Sharmon as good as Chris Paul, you know what

758
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: I mean. It's like, well, how do you do that?

759
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 1: You know what I mean is to guys in different

760
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: different positions or um, you know, even even with guy

761
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: like Pete Maravich and and um Stefan Curry, I mean,

762
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: how do you know what I mean is different. It

763
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: was a whole different routine, you know, So that was

764
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: always hard. But then you just got to go back

765
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: to stats and figure it out, you know, and make

766
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 1: and make a decision. Well, the beauty of this list, Dave,

767
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: is that we had thousands and thousands of fans, Celtics

768
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: fans vote for this team, and that accounted for half

769
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 1: of the voting. And then we had a voting panel

770
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: of media members and Celtics historians who accounted for the

771
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: other half of voting. So all of these different people,

772
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: thousands and thousands of people had input on this um

773
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: and that's how we wind up with this list that

774
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 1: includes you. UM, So congratulations on that. I want to

775
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: ask you one more question before we get out of here.

776
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: A lot of people don't realize that you overlapped for

777
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: a season with Larry Bird. I'm really curious to get

778
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 1: your perspective on on what it was like and what

779
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: the the environment was around when the guy from French

780
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:28,439
Speaker 1: Lique wound up in Boston and Donnan Celtics Green and White.

781
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: What was that first season like with him? The rookies

782
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 1: a rookies, a rookie, no matter who they all, right,

783
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: So the guy comes in and you gotta figure out

784
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: what's what's this guy all about? I mean I saw

785
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: him play a couple of times and looked at actually

786
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: went and visited, you know, and saw a couple of

787
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: games in person because I was coaching the year before,

788
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: So I was that was part of my job, you know,

789
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 1: as to go out and see, well what are we

790
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 1: gonna do? And um, But when he came in, you

791
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 1: knew what what it is is. You knew he was

792
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: a game er. This guy was a tough guy, had

793
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: a great mindset, tough, disciplined mindset, and he worked hard.

794
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: He didn't take anything for granted. And the guy had

795
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:12,919
Speaker 1: some special talent of being able to handle the ball

796
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: at his size and make decisions quick decisions. Um. Just

797
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 1: his his vision and his decision making was superb, all right,

798
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 1: and you saw that right away. So you know, all

799
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: things pretty equal, this guy is going to be a star.

800
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: This guy is gonna be good. I mean, we didn't

801
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,399
Speaker 1: go gaga all over him. You know, it's just he's

802
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 1: just he's a rookie. You know, we're trying to teach

803
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 1: him and let him understand what our game is all

804
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: about because it's a ton different. You know, you're playing

805
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 1: against every day, you're playing against guys that are the

806
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 1: best guys. You know, they played in college, they ever

807
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 1: played against the All one team. They're not even playing

808
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,320
Speaker 1: a lot, but they're still the best guys that you

809
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 1: played against in college over your career. UM. So it

810
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: was um and we had Bill Fitch and he had

811
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 1: a system and everybody kind of adhere to it. Um.

812
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: I came in in good shape. So I tried to

813
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 1: set the pace and saying, okay, this is what and

814
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: we were gonna be good. We gotta play at a

815
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: certain pace, you know, we gotta do this. And we

816
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: were all about a big year of Tommy you know,

817
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: gotta rung, gotta rung, gotta run, you know. And his

818
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: thing was that you don't knock a wall down with

819
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 1: one blow from a sledgehammer. You got to hit it

820
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of time. Eventually it comes down. And

821
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: so that was kind of one of the things that

822
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: I always believed in because I like playing a beat

823
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: that was me. I loved that. And then Bird fit

824
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: right in there, you know, and we had a lot

825
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 1: of other guys the same way. So it was it

826
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: was enjoyable. But that I always kid people. People say,

827
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 1: did you play with Bird? I said, no, he played

828
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: with me and so and so I said, he's a rookie.

829
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 1: We taught him everything. He knows. His success is only

830
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: due to you, right. I'm just it's just kind of

831
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: fun to do it, you know what I mean with people,

832
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: you know, because because that's what they dave. You coach Max.

833
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: I mean what I mean, Max was the guy that

834
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: that had to be the guy the first time you

835
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 1: saw him and you're coaching him that second year. You

836
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:12,800
Speaker 1: know what a dream is to work with it, So

837
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: it must have been a dream to you. How Max is?

838
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 1: I mean back then he didn't say much. He was

839
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 1: pretty easy going. I mean he ended the rubber band man.

840
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,320
Speaker 1: He hit ing me fall down and he's like, you know,

841
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 1: he just it was so unique the talents he had

842
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: because he was so good around the basket, you know

843
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: what I mean for a for a young player. He

844
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 1: was just so because he wasn't afraid. You know, he

845
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 1: knew how to do everything, and he was using people

846
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,720
Speaker 1: when he was a rookie, you know, around the basket.

847
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 1: But that poor guy, I mean, he had to go

848
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: through that entire roster and just the downfall. I mean,

849
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: we had a bad team, you know, and I remember

850
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: we had one guy. His name was Abdullah's is and

851
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 1: there's somebody right Don Smith. He's from Iowa. But we

852
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: acquired him on our long road trip and we cut

853
00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 1: him on this, so he's one guy never wore a

854
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: white uniforms. It sounds like something, Jessica. It's funny. Happened

855
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: a couple of times, right, Sean and the two thousand fifteen.

856
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: But in that year you could correct me if I'm

857
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:13,879
Speaker 1: wrong on this day, if I have the year wrong.

858
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 1: But didn't you end up with Kermitt Washington. Wasn't that

859
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 1: the year after the Rudy tom Jonovich thing and he

860
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: ended up in Boston? I mean, Marvin Barnes was on

861
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: the team and we have Billy Night, and we traded

862
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: him and got steak Um and Roby and then we

863
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: went to another you know. I mean guys were coming

864
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 1: in and out. John Y Brown on the team all

865
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: of a sudden, Maccadoes on the team. He don't want

866
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 1: to be there because him and I are doing this

867
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:39,280
Speaker 1: for many years. It's like it's just it was just crazy,

868
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: you know. But you know, we got out of it,

869
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: and then things got got scared away. But then the

870
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: seventies we went. I looked at the stats as seventies,

871
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: the fan base for the Boston Celtics was about I

872
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: think one of the Brown's six thousand season ticket holder.

873
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: All right, when we for the first six years, we

874
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,720
Speaker 1: got that up to a about thirty twelve and thirteen

875
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: thousand season ticket all all right, Maybe not season take

876
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 1: it all, but attendance average attendant all right. So we

877
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: almost doubled the interest in basketball and that first six

878
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: years of the Celtics that I played on, and then

879
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: it went down a little bit, you know, because of that,

880
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: we were very good. And then when Bird came, it

881
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 1: popped right back up into you know, an any where

882
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: they're starting sellouts. So but that big bill for the

883
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 1: interests of the Boston fans and the Celtics happened in

884
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 1: the early seventies and that's exactly why we wanted to

885
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 1: bring you on here Dave today, So we really appreciate

886
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 1: the time. And one more time, congratulations, I'm making a

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895
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 1: guarantee you, folks, there is no other NBA team podcast

896
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 1: that you can come on and get three of the

897
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 1: top seventy five players in NBA history all on the

898
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 1: same episode. Paul, you don't even know this, but before you,

899
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 1: our listeners already heard from Bob Couzy, then they heard

900
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: from Dave Cowen's and now they got the great Paul

901
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: Pierce on three of the top seventy five players of

902
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: all time. There aren't many organizations that can do that.

903
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 1: So first and foremost appreciate you jumping on. And secondly,

904
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 1: congratulations on being selected to the seventy anniversary All Celtics team.

905
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: Only fifteen players in the history of the organization around

906
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: the team. What's that mean to you to be selected? Mass?

907
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 1: It's huge honor, just like you know, since I retire,

908
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:01,919
Speaker 1: just like you know, all the fruits of my labor,

909
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: I'm starting to see him now because you don't realize

910
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 1: that when you're in the game, you know, and now

911
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: that I've been retired, I've been inducted to the Hall

912
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: of Fame, have my jersey retired, and now this one

913
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:16,439
Speaker 1: of the top UH Celtic players, NBA players at all time.

914
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: And just it's just starting to pay out because, like

915
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: I said, you don't never see the hard work you

916
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: put in while you're in it and until it's all

917
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: said and done. Now you get to sit back and say, Wow,

918
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 1: I really did that and this amazing accomplishment man. And

919
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: it all started on one day when you were drafted

920
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 1: by the team on twenty four years ago. I want

921
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: to get retrospective here to start out, what is the

922
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: first memory that you have of being a part of

923
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: this organization, Like, what's the what goes into your head

924
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: when I ask you that, it's got to be good

925
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: if you're laughing. My first memory is the first time

926
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: I landed in Boston and Leo Papelle picked me up

927
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 1: in this old Cadillac from the airport. I didn't know

928
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: who he was. Tell everyone who Leo is. Just tell

929
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: everyone knows Leo Forulfield. He worked for the Celtics. He

930
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 1: was scouting. He was like a scout, but he had

931
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 1: like he was like a consultant for the Celtics. Know

932
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 1: what cell he consulted for a lot of places. Let's

933
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: just right. And I remember him picking me up and

934
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: I was like, who is this guy? He didn't have

935
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,359
Speaker 1: no Celtic gear on, and it was I just thought

936
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: it was a random guy picking me up. And it

937
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: was like and he was the first person picking on

938
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 1: this old Cadillac from the airport. Uh. I just always

939
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 1: tell this story was so hilarious. Uh. And then car

940
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: I thought he was like, you know, like the GM

941
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 1: or something. I thought it was like at the time,

942
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: but you know, him picking me up from the airport

943
00:53:56,239 --> 00:54:02,240
Speaker 1: and you know, rolling around Boston. Uh. I getting lost

944
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 1: at the beginning, the beginning stages of living in Boston.

945
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 1: The rotaries, I never it makes no sense, Yeah, the

946
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 1: structure of the city. I just remember always getting lost.

947
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 1: And you gotta understand when I got drafted. You know,

948
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 1: it wasn't the iPhone. You have to buy a navigation

949
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: and so I remember always just getting lost going to

950
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 1: the arena and action. I remember pulling acts for people.

951
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 1: Do you know where like the garden is? Like you

952
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 1: know where like the gardens? All right, just stay on

953
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: this road, like man. The first the first year was tough.

954
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: How many were you late to any games now? I

955
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 1: was always left extra early because I knew I was

956
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: like Man, I knew I would get lost and have

957
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: to ask for directions. Speaking of Leo, by the way,

958
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:49,839
Speaker 1: I remember at the old facility out in wall Fan. Yeah,

959
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 1: he used I used to see him walking around with

960
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:57,399
Speaker 1: it with his cut off sleeves. Oh, the good old

961
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 1: days back in Wafan, Man that they gotta they got

962
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 1: a palace that they're practicing in now, Man, Walt Fan

963
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 1: was different all new times, New times. That was different. Um.

964
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,240
Speaker 1: But yeah, let's let's talk about a couple of your teammates,

965
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 1: because a couple of teammates made this list with you

966
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: of the fifteen greatest Celtics of all time. Ag is

967
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 1: on this list with you, Ray Allen is on this

968
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 1: list with you. All of the fans. There were sixty

969
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,280
Speaker 1: plus votes that came in for this, so the numbers

970
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 1: have spoken that they wanted you three on the team together.

971
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: We've all heard about you know why you guys clicked

972
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:36,399
Speaker 1: down the court and how the whole thing started back

973
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: in two thousand seven. But behind closed doors, that's where

974
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 1: I want to go for a minute, in particularly to

975
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 1: all three of your work ethics. I'm really curious how,

976
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 1: because you all three of you had legendary work ethics

977
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: behind closed doors, how did you guys kind of motivate

978
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 1: each other with those and how what was your reaction

979
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 1: the first time you saw like Ray go through his

980
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: routine for shooting after practice and KG just being a

981
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 1: maniac during and after practice. Man, you know what, I

982
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: always used to get to the gym early, right, and

983
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 1: this is like and so I would always be the

984
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: first one. So when Kevin and Ray came, you know,

985
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 1: I'm thinking I'm always the first one. Then I go

986
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,839
Speaker 1: in there and raising there, and then Kevin's in there.

987
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 1: So I feel like over the course of the year,

988
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 1: it was a competition between us who can get to

989
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 1: the gym first? Who can It was crazy because like

990
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 1: if we have practice at like ten o'clock, uh, you know,

991
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 1: Ray or Kevin and I said, we'll be in there

992
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 1: like seven thirty eight am. And it was just like,

993
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 1: you know, whether it be lifting weights or getting shots up.

994
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: And you know, the good thing is I was inspired

995
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: by them because I watch some a raised routine and

996
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 1: I start doing some of the drills he did, you know,

997
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: And I watched Kevin's routine and then you know, he

998
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 1: posted up, so I do some of those drills and

999
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 1: we just I think we just motively motivated each other

1000
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 1: and made each other better. We pushed each other, uh,

1001
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 1: and we just fed off of that man. Then next thing,

1002
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 1: you know, the younger players they're coming in early now,

1003
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 1: and then it was just like it's just we just

1004
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: fed off each other man, And it was just great

1005
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 1: to see because before they came, I was like the

1006
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: only one that to get there first all the time.

1007
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: And you know, you try to create this type of culture,

1008
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 1: but you know it's tough, uh when you have so

1009
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 1: many young players still learning who they are in the NBA,

1010
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: still trying to figure it out. And when you get

1011
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 1: other veterans and they also see these other veterans who

1012
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 1: are who they look up to, it made it so

1013
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: much easier. And it was just it was awesome because

1014
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 1: now you got damn there were almost having team practice

1015
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 1: at eight o'clock now because now everybody's there early. It

1016
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 1: was crazy. We we never got to see like the

1017
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 1: before practice stuff. We were coming after the practice and

1018
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: you and KG were usually you got your working after,

1019
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 1: but it was relatively brief. Ray would be out there

1020
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 1: for like thirty forty five minutes going through a shooting

1021
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 1: dells after pract this, So for in the media perspective,

1022
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 1: it was real interesting just to be able to see

1023
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 1: how meticulous he was with that after practice and then

1024
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: now knowing that he was in there that early before

1025
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: practice too. It's no mistake that he was one of

1026
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 1: the greatest shooters of all time. I do want to

1027
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: ask you about Ray though, Um, because I don't know

1028
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: if a ton of people out there expected him to

1029
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 1: wind up on this fifteen greatest Players of all time

1030
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: on the Celtics list. Um, what's your reaction to the

1031
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 1: fans and our media panel choosing Ray to be as

1032
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 1: a part of this fifteen player list. Oh, they got

1033
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 1: it right. And I'll say this one thing about Ray.

1034
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: Ray is probably the clutchest player off ever. Like it

1035
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: just felt so good because you know, I was always

1036
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 1: in a position to take the big shots, make or miss.

1037
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 1: To have that guy on your team who took that

1038
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 1: type of pressure off you, who would make big shots

1039
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 1: and come through down the stretch. And I think that's

1040
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 1: the one thing that's underrated about raised game that's not

1041
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 1: talked about enough, is how clutch. He was, you know,

1042
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 1: we know him for being a he played shooter. I mean,

1043
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 1: I guess we talked about it. You've seen the shot

1044
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: he made when he was in Miami. Yeah, but uh,

1045
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 1: you know, for us, he made so many game winners

1046
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 1: and it's just not talked about enough. How how great

1047
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 1: he was down the stretch. Well, you guys had three

1048
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 1: of them, right like you used to make the big shots.

1049
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 1: You and ag used to run that high pick and

1050
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 1: roll final ten seconds like there was no pop in that.

1051
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 1: And then if you're able to kick to raid too,

1052
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 1: that's good good luck to the other team. That's what

1053
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 1: we used to call pick your poison danger. Unlike a

1054
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 1: lot of guys. Man, I'm trying to think of how

1055
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 1: many hundreds of times we talked after games, before games play.

1056
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 1: But he's talking about the lineage, which is what we're

1057
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 1: talking about now. By the way, that's Paul's dog barking

1058
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: in the background. We just gotta let everyone know who's listening.

1059
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 1: This is I mean, listen, you've got four kids. Does

1060
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 1: that work with the kids too? Hey? Shut up? Not

1061
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 1: that video game and never it never seems to work.

1062
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 1: I'm running a lot of lessons about fatherhood being on

1063
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Speaker 1: this car. Yeah, so theme all in because none of

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Speaker 1: them will apply because you're getting different than our kids.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're talking to Bob Cruzy and we're talking

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Speaker 1: to Dave Cowens, and we're trying to connect somehow the lineage,

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Speaker 1: which is so hard to do. But a lot of

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Speaker 1: players walk into this and it is all new to them.

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Speaker 1: But you were unique in that. It wasn't because of

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Speaker 1: where you grew up. You knew full well about the

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Speaker 1: Celtics because you grew up watching those games, albeit from

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Speaker 1: the other side. Yeah. Absolutely, man, that's what got me

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Speaker 1: in the basketball. You know, although I was a Laker fan,

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Speaker 1: but who couldn't watch Lakers and Celtics. I mean, Magic Bird,

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Speaker 1: I mean all the legendary players to leave. I mean

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Speaker 1: it was just like you couldn't wait for those games

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Speaker 1: to come on, whether it be regular season, whether they

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Speaker 1: be finals. Uh, it just it was just such a

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Speaker 1: joy to watch basketball at his best. Because you're talking

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Speaker 1: about two generational talents at the time, with Magic and

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Speaker 1: Larry Bird. It was just like, man, how could you

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Speaker 1: not watch that? And you know, me growing up a

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Speaker 1: Laker fan and I tell the story and it's ironic

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Speaker 1: growing up as a Laker fan and then being drafted

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Speaker 1: as a Celtic. Uh, you know, I didn't quite understand

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Speaker 1: the history at the time. I knew all the Laker

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Speaker 1: history growing up in it. But then when I got

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Speaker 1: to Boston, I knew about five Couzy, Bill Russell read

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Speaker 1: all back. You knew these names, and you knew the championships.

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Speaker 1: But then when I got there, it was just like

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Speaker 1: to actually see it, like, oh my goodness, they go rare?

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Speaker 1: Is that Rare? Or are back right there smoking a cigar?

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Speaker 1: Is that Bill Russell, I'm having lunch with Bill Russell?

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Speaker 1: Is that Couzy on the sideline? Is that Tommy Hin?

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Speaker 1: It was just like, you know, just the names, the

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Speaker 1: legendary names that you hear about and you see the highlights.

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Speaker 1: Just to actually see them right there, I was like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god. It was just like a basketball dream,

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Speaker 1: you know, as a historian of the game, to see

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Speaker 1: people who are who are legend in the flesh that

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Speaker 1: you just heard so much about. It was just like

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Speaker 1: and and that's the one thing that I don't think

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Speaker 1: these kids, they don't soak up the history of the

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Speaker 1: game no more. They ain't. They're not students of the game.

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Speaker 1: You know, I love that part of it, you know,

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Speaker 1: going back watching old games and studying it. Uh. Now,

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Speaker 1: you know, the kids just watch whatever they catch on

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Speaker 1: Instagram if they catch a Jordan highlight or a Larry

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Speaker 1: seconds long. You know, I actually like was watching the games,

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01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 1: reading about them, checking out the articles. Man. It was

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01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 1: just like because you know, it wasn't YouTube back there,

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01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 1: so I couldn't like. But you know, whenever you get

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Speaker 1: a chance to watch an old game that came on

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Speaker 1: TV or read the articles you've read, and it was

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Speaker 1: a lot of reading about these guys and you know,

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Speaker 1: hearing the coming Tators talk about you know, the history.

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Speaker 1: It was just it was amazing, man, you know, and

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Speaker 1: I just wish more of the younger guys would understand

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01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 1: the his three while we all remember where we were

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Speaker 1: the first time we met Lee over him. You mentioned it,

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Speaker 1: did you say, lunch with Bill Russell? Yeah? Man, I

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01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 1: had lunch with Bill, had dinner. That was amazed. I

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Speaker 1: was young too. I think I was like in my

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Speaker 1: third year and it was just like I remember we

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Speaker 1: went to the Capitol Gril. We had dinner at the

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Speaker 1: Capitol Grill. Man, I was I was like, I was

1127
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 1: so intimidated because I'm trying to figure out what I'm

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01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 1: gonna saying, what I'm gonna talk to him about. And

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Speaker 1: it's just I just remember the nervousness, like, man, this

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Speaker 1: is Bill. I'm about to have dinner with Bill Russell.

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Speaker 1: This is crazy. And uh, you know we just formed

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01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 1: the friendship. And he because he would always come to

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01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 1: the practices. You know, I'll sit on the sideline and hill,

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01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 1: you know, he'll critique my game. Man. And you know,

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01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 1: these kids they don't like to hear. They don't like

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01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 1: to hear it no more, they don't like to hear

1137
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 1: that game, like, you're not doing this right. Whenever he

1138
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 1: was like, Paul, you need to work on this, I

1139
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 1: was just like I soaked it up. I wanted people

1140
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 1: to tell me what I needed. You know, I wanted

1141
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 1: what I was doing wrong, and he was, you know,

1142
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 1: he was honest about it. Him and Red Arbe was

1143
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 1: always honest about that every time I talked to him

1144
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 1: and I and I love that and I loved it.

1145
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 1: What did the experience now my first year coming back

1146
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 1: from Minnesota and I'm with you guys, and there's two

1147
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 1: thousand two and out of nowhere after six years of

1148
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 1: missing the playoffs. I talked about this team a lot

1149
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 1: because of how blase some fans have become about getting

1150
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 1: to the conference finals. But in two thousand two, I

1151
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 1: try to explain to people what that environment was like

1152
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 1: when that team, when you beat Philly in that decisive game,

1153
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 1: What that what the what TV garden was like that

1154
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 1: night beating Detroit and getting to the conference finals here

1155
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 1: in that series against the Nets? Did that wet your appetite?

1156
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 1: Was that in your memory for the three or four

1157
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 1: years that followed, with all the uncertainty as to what

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01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 1: it could be like, what it was when the Celtics

1159
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:02,440
Speaker 1: were the Celtics and what it could be again? Absolutely,

1160
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 1: because that was, like, you know, the crazy part about

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01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 1: that was my first time in the playoffs and then

1162
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 1: to go that far and to see that environment and

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01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 1: to be like one or two games away from making

1164
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 1: the finals. I was just like, wow, you know that

1165
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 1: that we called it it was the garden, but it

1166
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 1: was the jungle. We called it the jungle, and I

1167
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 1: had never seen anything. I've never seen the garden like that.

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Speaker 1: It just seemed like every round we went, it got

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01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 1: better and better and louder, and it was just like, whoa,

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01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 1: this is what I used to see on TV. You know,

1171
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 1: fans waving the towns loud. You can hear them chatting

1172
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 1: from the from the locker room, and it was just

1173
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 1: like we made it. And then after that, you know,

1174
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 1: we lost second round. But like you said, that was

1175
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 1: just a taste of like, wow, if we ever, you know,

1176
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:51,560
Speaker 1: go this deep in the playoffs and you can't take

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01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 1: it for granted because you can go so far and

1178
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 1: then you can be like, all right, well, next year

1179
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 1: we'll be in the finals. For next year we'll be

1180
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 1: back in the in the conference finals. Can't never take

1181
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 1: it for granted. And so it was just a taste.

1182
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:11,440
Speaker 1: Shut up, Sausa. You couldn't count the crowd bending. You

1183
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 1: can't do now when I hear you talk about the

1184
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 1: Celtics now and I I I can't stand all of us,

1185
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 1: even though we don't want to be we tend to

1186
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 1: be these kids today and they're watching highlights on Instagram

1187
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 1: or whatever it is, and the things that we always

1188
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 1: wanted to be more like the way it was back

1189
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 1: when we were doing whatever it is we were doing.

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01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 1: But one of the elements that I think has become

1191
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:37,440
Speaker 1: a lost ambition is the notion of doing what you

1192
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:41,560
Speaker 1: did and being with one team as opposed to guys

1193
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 1: still want to win and it's still pursuing championships. But

1194
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 1: the concept of connecting yourself and your brand and your

1195
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 1: game and your career to one city and one team

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01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 1: is something that mattered to you. Oh, absolutely, because that's

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01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 1: what I grew up watching. You know, I'm watching these guys.

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Speaker 1: You know, like I said, magic Bird, these guys played

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Speaker 1: for one team and and the golf themselves and become

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01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:08,400
Speaker 1: that city and become that team. You know, of course

1201
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 1: a year and it was just like now, I feel

1202
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 1: like it's all about a business. You know, everybody wants

1203
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 1: to play with their friends and you know, being whatever

1204
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 1: type of weather or be close to home. You know,

1205
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 1: even though I hated Boston, it was just like, once

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01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:26,280
Speaker 1: I was there, I wanted to be there and that

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01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 1: was it. I never wanted to get traded. I never

1208
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 1: wanted to leave, and uh, you know that all gets lost,

1209
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 1: that's all that's a that's days of the past. And

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Speaker 1: I think we saw that. I think Lebron spearheaded this truthfully.

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01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 1: You know, once you've see how you know, But the

1212
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:44,560
Speaker 1: thing is they're taking their destiny their own hands. And

1213
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 1: I get it, and I understand it's a business, but

1214
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 1: it's hard to connect with that player, you know, long term,

1215
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:55,840
Speaker 1: you know, like people say Paul connected to him, connected

1216
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 1: with Boston. Now, it's like when guys have great careers,

1217
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 1: you're actually yourself. Like Kevin Durant for instance, great career

1218
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:07,440
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City, go to the state now Brooklyn, But like,

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01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:11,320
Speaker 1: where do you retire his jersey? What makes the most sense? Yeah,

1220
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:13,360
Speaker 1: he won a championship there, but does he get one

1221
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:16,479
Speaker 1: in Oklahoma too, where it was m v P. You

1222
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:19,360
Speaker 1: feel what I'm saying. Now, you're gonna be having players

1223
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:25,559
Speaker 1: get their jersey retired in multiple cities and people people boo, right,

1224
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:27,880
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's so sad, like a Westbrook goes

1225
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Speaker 1: back to Okay. See in the Duranka man, could you

1226
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 1: ever imagine the idea of you were KG walking back

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01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 1: into the garden and not getting the you know, the

1228
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:38,839
Speaker 1: reception in the love And that's one of the by products.

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01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:42,559
Speaker 1: It's unfortunate. I think it further creates a divide between

1230
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:46,240
Speaker 1: fans and players that doesn't necessarily have to be there. Yeah. Absolutely,

1231
01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:48,519
Speaker 1: I mean, you get you forget that these players, you know,

1232
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:51,600
Speaker 1: they put their blessed, sweat and tears into these organizations,

1233
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 1: but you know, and and they can only do so

1234
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:57,400
Speaker 1: much that they leave and you come back and get booed.

1235
01:08:57,439 --> 01:08:59,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it's unfortunate, but that's the way, that's what

1236
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:02,640
Speaker 1: the way it is now. But here's one of the

1237
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:06,599
Speaker 1: things about life is that everything, and I mean everything

1238
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:11,760
Speaker 1: from style to what we're talking about here, everything is cyclical, right,

1239
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 1: So Lebron might have broken what it was prior to that,

1240
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 1: but then someone's gonna come and who knows, maybe it's

1241
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:22,840
Speaker 1: someone in this generation like who maybe it's Jayson Tatum

1242
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:26,240
Speaker 1: with the Celtics or Zion Williamson with the Pelicans. Someone

1243
01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:28,519
Speaker 1: else is going to break it back in the other direction, right,

1244
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:31,400
Speaker 1: So what it used to be so everything cyclical. Will

1245
01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:34,080
Speaker 1: be really interested to see what winds up happening on

1246
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 1: that front. But Paul, Uh, we appreciate you coming in

1247
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:40,280
Speaker 1: and wrapping up this star studded podcast. I mean, Kuzy

1248
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:43,160
Speaker 1: Cowens and Pierce no on Nels in the NBA is

1249
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 1: doing that. That's awesome, So thank you for jumping on.

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01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:49,960
Speaker 1: Thank You's a great name to this team. I appreciate it.

1251
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 1: I thank you guys, and uh you know, always gonna

1252
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:59,040
Speaker 1: bleed green baby, thank you for watching you from the Raptors.

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Speaker 1: Behind the Scene with the Boston Celtics, presented by Cardless

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