WEBVTT - Xerox: New Market. New Xerox.

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<v Speaker 1>Get in text with technology with tech Stuff from dot Com.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, everybody, and welcome to Tech Stuff. I am

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<v Speaker 1>your host, Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer here at

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<v Speaker 1>How Stuff Works, and you guys know I love tech

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<v Speaker 1>And if you've listened to the last two episodes, then

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<v Speaker 1>you are aware that we've been talking about the company Xerox,

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<v Speaker 1>which is more than a hundred years old. It was

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<v Speaker 1>founded in nineteen o six, and originally I thought it

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<v Speaker 1>was gonna be a two parter. Uh. I was certain

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<v Speaker 1>that's as long as it was going to need to be,

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<v Speaker 1>because I thought, even though there's a lot of stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that Xerox has contributed to technology, I could probably sum

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<v Speaker 1>it up in two parts. But the interesting origin of

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<v Speaker 1>Xbox ended up taking Xbox Xerox took up a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of time, and the Xerox origin having so little to

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<v Speaker 1>do with what Xerox does today. I mean, it was

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<v Speaker 1>about photographic paper, uh, and if it would it would

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<v Speaker 1>not even evolve into photo copy years until decades after

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<v Speaker 1>its founding. But it was really interesting to hear about

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<v Speaker 1>the different values that were instilled as part of the

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<v Speaker 1>corporate character of Xerox. Then all that stuff about the

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<v Speaker 1>Palo Alto Research Center or Xerox Park was also incredibly fascinating.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Xerox Park is where a lot of development

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<v Speaker 1>happened on things that are now standard in personal computers,

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<v Speaker 1>but at the time it was all very much cutting

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<v Speaker 1>edge technology. I mean, the park started in nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 1>and they started working on things like graphic user interfaces,

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<v Speaker 1>computer mouse, bitmapped icons, lots of stuff that would find

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<v Speaker 1>its way into standard computer use more than a decade

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<v Speaker 1>later was happening at Xerox at the time. And finally,

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<v Speaker 1>as I was looking into more recent years at Xerox,

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<v Speaker 1>I realized I couldn't just summarize what had happened. If

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<v Speaker 1>I did, it would be short shrift and we'd be

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<v Speaker 1>going bullet points, and that's not how I like to

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<v Speaker 1>do this show. So I decided I needed to go

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<v Speaker 1>into more detail. So that's where we are now, at

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<v Speaker 1>the thrilling conclusion of the Xerox story. So so far, anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we gotta mention that's not really the conclusion.

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<v Speaker 1>The company does still exist, although it has gone through

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<v Speaker 1>some pretty major changes barely recently. So let's jump back

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<v Speaker 1>into the main company of Xerox. In our last episode,

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<v Speaker 1>we switched to focus on the Palo Alto Research Center

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<v Speaker 1>once it was found in nineteen seventy. But what was

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<v Speaker 1>going on back at Xerox Prime during that same time. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>in the early nineteen seventies, everything was going pretty well

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<v Speaker 1>over at Xerox. They had created the most profitable product

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<v Speaker 1>of all time with the nine fourteen copier. Remember it

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<v Speaker 1>was called the nine fourteen because those were the dimensions

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<v Speaker 1>of paper it could accept. It could accept up to

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<v Speaker 1>nine inches by fourteen inches, and us was a photo

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<v Speaker 1>copier that could make copies much faster than alternative methods.

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<v Speaker 1>It also was less messy than using something like carbon

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<v Speaker 1>copies and a mimiograph machine. The company also held patents

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<v Speaker 1>on the various technologies that went into photo copiers, so

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<v Speaker 1>it gave them an effective monopoly on their specific approach.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, if you patent a technology, no one else

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<v Speaker 1>is allowed to create a technology that works that same

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<v Speaker 1>way unless they first pay you a licensing fee. If

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<v Speaker 1>you agree to license it, then sure they can do it,

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<v Speaker 1>but otherwise you have exclusive rights to that technology until

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<v Speaker 1>the patent expires, which is a little bit more than

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<v Speaker 1>a decade. Well, the profit margin on those big enterprise machines.

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<v Speaker 1>Enterprise being that they were selling these two companies right

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<v Speaker 1>they were not selling nine fourteen copiers to the average consumer.

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<v Speaker 1>They were selling them to big offices. The profit margin

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<v Speaker 1>was super high, like in the seventy percent range of

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<v Speaker 1>the money was pure profit. That means that they were

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<v Speaker 1>able to sell the machines for more than what it

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<v Speaker 1>costs for them to build them. And that's an incredible

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<v Speaker 1>profit margin for any kind of technology. And that just

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<v Speaker 1>means that they were really expensive machines and people were

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<v Speaker 1>willing to pay for them because of the level of

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<v Speaker 1>convenience they offered. But as Joe Wilson, who was one

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<v Speaker 1>of the early leaders of Xerox, might have said, sitting

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<v Speaker 1>back and relying on past innovations can only be effective

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<v Speaker 1>for so long. The patents on xerox Is technology were

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<v Speaker 1>close to expiring, so pretty soon anyone with the means

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<v Speaker 1>could use those same approaches to make similar technologies. And

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<v Speaker 1>that seventy profit margin, while it was great for Xerox

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<v Speaker 1>right there at the moment, meant that other companies would

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<v Speaker 1>have a chance to come in and cut prices. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>they're looking for a profit margin that's a lot more modest,

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<v Speaker 1>and they could end up selling their copiers for far

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<v Speaker 1>less than Xerox was and undercut the competition sition. In

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy one, Joe Wilson passed away. Now I mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>that in the previous episode, so I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 1>dwell on it here, but his passing was marked by

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<v Speaker 1>public displays of respect across Rochester, New York, where he

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<v Speaker 1>grew up, where he lived most of his life, and

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<v Speaker 1>also within Xerox itself. Archie McCardell became the president of Xerox,

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<v Speaker 1>while C. Peter McCullough remained the CEO. You remember McCullough

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<v Speaker 1>took over for for Wilson. The mid seventies started to

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<v Speaker 1>get a little more challenging for Xerox. First of all,

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<v Speaker 1>you had other companies like Cannon and various copier companies

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<v Speaker 1>in Japan entering the marketplace with competing products. Xerox still

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<v Speaker 1>made up the majority of copiers in the marketplace. They

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<v Speaker 1>were effectively a monopoly for the for several years, but

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<v Speaker 1>they soon had to contend with these newcomers. Later, still,

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<v Speaker 1>IBM would get into the copy of business, which was

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<v Speaker 1>also a little bit foreboding to Xerox, and a few

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<v Speaker 1>there's also started to kind of dip their toe into it. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>companies like HP, we're working on technologies that would bring

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<v Speaker 1>them into competition with Xerox in ways the copier company

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't anticipate at the time, like in ink jet printing.

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<v Speaker 1>In jet printing, while it's not the same thing as

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<v Speaker 1>photo copying, did allow people to make copies of stuff

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<v Speaker 1>by printing extra copies as opposed to printing one copy

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<v Speaker 1>and then taking that to the photo copier to make

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<v Speaker 1>more copies. HP took some of the need away from

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<v Speaker 1>offices from having these giant photo copiers. So it was

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<v Speaker 1>a level of competition that Xerox had not anticipated. Xerox

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<v Speaker 1>began to see that incredible domination in the market start

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<v Speaker 1>to lose ground. In fact, it began to lose ground

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<v Speaker 1>pretty dramatically over the next several years. Now, in the

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<v Speaker 1>last episode, I mentioned that Xerox Park was hard at

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<v Speaker 1>work on several innovations, one of the biggest being the Alto. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this could have been the first personal computer on the market.

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<v Speaker 1>The Xerox Alto could have been the ubiquitous or personal computer.

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<v Speaker 1>It could have been there instead of the Apple Too,

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<v Speaker 1>But uh, that just didn't work out, and why Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the reasons are a little complicated. First of all, Xerox

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<v Speaker 1>Alta was years ahead of other products like the Apple Too,

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<v Speaker 1>because it actually did have a graphic user interface. It

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<v Speaker 1>was essentially a Windows style machine, though Microsoft Windows did

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<v Speaker 1>not exist yet, but it was that same sort of

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<v Speaker 1>user interface that Microsoft Windows would be now. The fact

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<v Speaker 1>that Xerox didn't see the opportunity in consumer personal computers

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<v Speaker 1>led a lot of people after the fact to say

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<v Speaker 1>that they really were lacking foresight and initiative, and that

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<v Speaker 1>they weren't embracing that spirit of innovation the way Xerox

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<v Speaker 1>had earlier in its in its existence, that's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>easier to say in hindsight. At the time, it might

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<v Speaker 1>have seemed weird to go into a consumer technology, which

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<v Speaker 1>by definition tends to have much lower profit margins than

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<v Speaker 1>doing these business to business deals which had made the

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<v Speaker 1>company bookous of money's. Xerox ended up creating their first

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<v Speaker 1>color copier, the Xerox hundred, around this time, so there

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<v Speaker 1>was some still some innovation going on in their main business,

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<v Speaker 1>and in nineteen seventy four, Xerox opened a new facility

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<v Speaker 1>in Mississaugua, Ontario, Canada. And I know, I know Canadians,

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<v Speaker 1>I know I mispronounced it. I I realized that I

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<v Speaker 1>feel shame, a deep sense of shame and despair. But

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just a simple man reading notes off my computer screen,

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<v Speaker 1>so so give me some slack. This was the Xerox

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<v Speaker 1>Research Center of Canada, also known as the x r

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<v Speaker 1>c C. Initially the purpose of this research facility was

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<v Speaker 1>to engineer new chemical processes and products for use in

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<v Speaker 1>xerox is businesses. Today, the x r c C bills

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<v Speaker 1>itself as quote Canada's leading materials research enter and home

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<v Speaker 1>to a world class team of scientists and engineers with

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<v Speaker 1>broad expertise and materials chemistry, formulation, design, prototyping, testing, and

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<v Speaker 1>chemical process engineering end quote. They work both with Xerox

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<v Speaker 1>and external customers, which typically would be other big companies.

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<v Speaker 1>Now Xerox agreed to license copier patents to other companies,

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<v Speaker 1>which seems really big of them, right like they were

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<v Speaker 1>they had all these these different patents that kept them

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<v Speaker 1>in this effective monopoly. Seems really generous to agree to

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<v Speaker 1>extend licenses to various companies, you know, in exchange for

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<v Speaker 1>a fee seems really nice. Well, it wasn't out of

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<v Speaker 1>the kindness of xerox executive's hearts. Xerox had actually become

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<v Speaker 1>the target for an antitrust lawsuit and the government was

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<v Speaker 1>essentially demanding that the company offer up licensing agreements for

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<v Speaker 1>their patents. So this was kind of the company's way

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<v Speaker 1>of soothing things over. Within a short amount of time,

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<v Speaker 1>the move did exactly what the people at Xerox were

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<v Speaker 1>afraid would happen. It allowed competitors to leverage Xerox's technologies

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<v Speaker 1>and so copiers for much lower prices. Xerox is near

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<v Speaker 1>one market share would drop below twenty percent in just

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of years. That's dramatic when you go from

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<v Speaker 1>a percent market domination to less than twenty percent of

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<v Speaker 1>the market in some cases, I've seen estimates between thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>and fourteen percent. That's crazy. It is, however, something that

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<v Speaker 1>we've seen in other technologies like smartphone operating systems. iOS

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<v Speaker 1>dominated shortly for a while, and then Android caught up,

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<v Speaker 1>and then now Android dominates just by sheer numbers. Was

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<v Speaker 1>also the year that Xerox stopped trying to make mainframe

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<v Speaker 1>style computers. They got out of that business. They had

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<v Speaker 1>bought into it a few years earlier, and it turned

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<v Speaker 1>out they just could not make that business work. Five

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<v Speaker 1>was also the year Xerox launched an incredibly popular advertising campaign.

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<v Speaker 1>This was called the brother Dominic campaign. It featured a

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<v Speaker 1>monk creating an illustrated manuscript by hands, so he's writing

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<v Speaker 1>out in calligraphy this manuscript, only to be told by

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<v Speaker 1>his superiors that they need hundreds more copies. So the

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<v Speaker 1>monk takes his illustrated page to the copy center in

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<v Speaker 1>the monastery, since we all know that monasteries have these,

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<v Speaker 1>right and he then goes and makes five hundred copies

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<v Speaker 1>using a big Xerox machine. And when he returns to

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<v Speaker 1>his superiors shortly after he was asked to make the

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<v Speaker 1>copies in the first place, they look at the amount

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<v Speaker 1>of work he has accomplished so quickly and reply, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a miracle. Now. This campaign would include several more variations

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<v Speaker 1>on this theme and would make a return just a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of years ago with an updated technology found in

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<v Speaker 1>Xerox document centers. So it's a very popular, award winning

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<v Speaker 1>ad campaign. And again not just a couple of years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>they did an update that was kind of cute about

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<v Speaker 1>how you could use Xerox technologies to do things like

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<v Speaker 1>translate documents. It could have automatic detection of language and

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<v Speaker 1>then translated into other languages and print it in those

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<v Speaker 1>other languages, which is pretty cool thing. Actually, it seems

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<v Speaker 1>kind of magical to me. I guess it is a miracle.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen seventy six, Kodak, remember that was Xerox is

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<v Speaker 1>old competitor from the old old days when it was

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<v Speaker 1>the Halloyd Corporation. Kodak was the big boy in town

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<v Speaker 1>and Halloyd was the teeny tiny little competitor. Well, now

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<v Speaker 1>Kodak switches the the scales and becomes the smaller competitor

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<v Speaker 1>in the copier game. That add more pressure onto Xerox.

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<v Speaker 1>This was also the last year that Xerox sold a

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<v Speaker 1>nine fourteen copier six. They phased it out of sales

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<v Speaker 1>from that point forward, although they did still provide field

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<v Speaker 1>service for nine fourteen copiers that had already been sold

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<v Speaker 1>to customers. Zero made a move in nineteen seventy nine

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<v Speaker 1>to purchase Western Union International that ended up being a

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<v Speaker 1>failed experiment. The company was trying to create a telecommunications network.

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<v Speaker 1>They were really looking to diversify beyond photocopying, so they

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<v Speaker 1>were they were definitely looking at ways that they could

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<v Speaker 1>branch out so they weren't dependent upon a business that

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<v Speaker 1>was getting siphoned away from them. But this telecommunications network

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<v Speaker 1>experiment was a failure, and in nine Xerox would sell

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<v Speaker 1>off Western Union International to m c I, and they

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<v Speaker 1>took a loss on that sale, so it was an

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<v Speaker 1>expensive lesson to learn. In nineteen eighties, Xerox formed an

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<v Speaker 1>official environment, Health, and Safety organization and became one of

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<v Speaker 1>the first big American companies to do so. The purpose

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<v Speaker 1>of this group is to design and implement environmental and

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<v Speaker 1>sustainability programs at Xerox. By Xerox had started to introduce

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<v Speaker 1>the Star computer workstation, which was technically the first consumer

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<v Speaker 1>computer to feature a mouse, and whizzy Wig software wasizz

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<v Speaker 1>the Wagan case, you don't remember, stands for what you

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<v Speaker 1>see is what you get, So you can actually edit

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<v Speaker 1>within the framework of whatever document you're using, and it

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<v Speaker 1>looks exactly the way it should when you print it

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<v Speaker 1>or produce it. This is standard today, but back back

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<v Speaker 1>then it was not standard. The thing that you were

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<v Speaker 1>looking at on a screen often had very little relationship

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<v Speaker 1>with whatever it would print out on a piece of paper.

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<v Speaker 1>But this Star computer workstation was not compatible with other

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<v Speaker 1>systems and was a bit underpowered all things considered, and

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately it languished in the market. Apple computers would pass

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<v Speaker 1>it by easily, even though they didn't have all the

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<v Speaker 1>bells and whistles that the Star computer workstation did back

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<v Speaker 1>in one. Apple would catch up by eight four when

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<v Speaker 1>they started to incorporate the Mac operating system and had

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<v Speaker 1>their Windows based user interface incorporated in that. But at

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<v Speaker 1>the time Xerox's computer was was pretty advanced from a

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<v Speaker 1>software perspective, hardware it was kind of lacking in McCullough

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<v Speaker 1>stepped down as the CEO and David Kaarns became CEO

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<v Speaker 1>of Xerox, and one thing Kairns did was to guide

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<v Speaker 1>Xerox into some acquisitions to expand the company into financial services,

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<v Speaker 1>including insurance. Eventually, this would become a huge burden to

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<v Speaker 1>the company as it found itself financially obligated to resolve

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<v Speaker 1>billions of dollars in insurance liabilities. So it became kind

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<v Speaker 1>of an albatross around the metaphorical neck of Xerox. At

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<v Speaker 1>this point, the revenues of the company were eight point

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<v Speaker 1>five billion dollars. Xerox would continue to experiment with new products,

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<v Speaker 1>including new copiers that had micro computers incorporated directly into

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<v Speaker 1>the product that of course has continued up to present day.

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<v Speaker 1>And it also had a low bandwidth ethernet as a

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<v Speaker 1>communications interface built into these new copiers, which is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of cool. Xerox also produced a fax machine in nine

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<v Speaker 1>that could be linked by network to other office equipment,

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<v Speaker 1>So again they were producing some stuff that was ahead

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<v Speaker 1>of the curve. But around this time Xerox also pioneer

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<v Speaker 1>to practice that you might not be aware of. It's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of creepy. So laser printing was becoming more commonplace

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<v Speaker 1>in the early nineteen eighties, and that included the capability

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<v Speaker 1>to print in full color with certain types of printers.

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<v Speaker 1>One concern that arose from this development of technology was

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<v Speaker 1>the possibility of using that kind of printer to produce

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<v Speaker 1>counterfeit documents and currency. If you could make it look

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<v Speaker 1>convincing enough, you might be able to have a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>convincing counterfeit and pass it off as the real thing. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>Xerox determined that one way to protect against this, or

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<v Speaker 1>at least track instances so that you could find their

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<v Speaker 1>points of origin. Would be to include some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>encoding strategy so that the printers being used would print

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<v Speaker 1>a tracking information directly on to the paper and do

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<v Speaker 1>it in such a way that it's not obvious. And

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<v Speaker 1>thus tiny yellow dots began to find their way into

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<v Speaker 1>print jobs. Now, those yellow dots, which are easiest to

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<v Speaker 1>see if you shine a blue led light on the paper,

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<v Speaker 1>encode specific information onto the paper itself. The information includes

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<v Speaker 1>the serial number of the the printer, the date of printing,

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<v Speaker 1>and more or the copier as well. So the dots

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<v Speaker 1>are yellow and paper is typically white, and that means

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<v Speaker 1>you have a very low contrast between the toner and

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<v Speaker 1>the paper that makes it really tricky to spot. And

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<v Speaker 1>the dots are actually pretty tiny, so it's likely you

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<v Speaker 1>would not notice them without a magnifying glass and a

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<v Speaker 1>blue light. But if you wanted, you could shine a

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<v Speaker 1>blue light on a piece of paper that had gone

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<v Speaker 1>through a Xerox printer or copier, you could use the

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<v Speaker 1>magnifying glass, you could find these dots, and you could

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<v Speaker 1>track any document back to the printer that produced it.

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<v Speaker 1>You'd even know when the print job took place. The

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<v Speaker 1>day would be included in that information, and that sort

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<v Speaker 1>of information could be come in particularly handy during a

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<v Speaker 1>case involving counterfeits. But it might creep you out to

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<v Speaker 1>know that your print outs have been including information about you,

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<v Speaker 1>or at least your printer all the way up to

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<v Speaker 1>this point. This's, by the way, a standard practice. You

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<v Speaker 1>can find lots of printers that will include stuff at

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<v Speaker 1>a very tiny, unnoticeable level, at least unnoticeable to the

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<v Speaker 1>naked eye, but they leave traces that make it much

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<v Speaker 1>easier to figure where did that piece of paper come from,

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<v Speaker 1>who printed it? Including it as a serial number, and

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<v Speaker 1>the serial numbers registered to somebody, it makes it much

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<v Speaker 1>easier to track down the origin of that piece of paper,

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<v Speaker 1>at least the print out, not the paper itself. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of creepy in a way. It's also potentially useful. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Law enforcement, for their parts, say that they don't really

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<v Speaker 1>use this unless they're looking into counterfeits. They're not necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>taking every sheet of paper that has been printed it

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<v Speaker 1>and then looking for these dots and then tracking it

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<v Speaker 1>back to the original printer for further investigation. But still

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<v Speaker 1>kind of interesting. Something I was not aware of before

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<v Speaker 1>I started doing the research for this podcast, and we've

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<v Speaker 1>got a lot more to say about Xerox to wrap

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<v Speaker 1>up this story. But before I get into that, let's

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<v Speaker 1>take a quick break to thank our sponsor. In six

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<v Speaker 1>years before the Worldwide Web with debut, Xerox made a

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<v Speaker 1>very forward thinking move. The company registered a top level

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<v Speaker 1>domain www. Dot xerox dot com. This was the seventh

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<v Speaker 1>top level domain to be registered with the United States

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<v Speaker 1>Department of Defense. Ever, so when you look at the

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<v Speaker 1>top level domains, Xerox was the seventh one. And if

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<v Speaker 1>you're wondering about that last statement about the Department of Defense,

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<v Speaker 1>you need to listen up on the old ARPA net

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<v Speaker 1>podcast past episodes I did. The Department of Defenses Advanced

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<v Speaker 1>Research Projects Agency or ARPA, which would eventually evolve into DARPA,

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<v Speaker 1>was responsible for designing the foundation for what would become

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<v Speaker 1>the Internet, So all the protocols, uh, they really got

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<v Speaker 1>their start both in arpanet and over at xerox Park

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<v Speaker 1>Xerox Park, they did a lot of work that would

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<v Speaker 1>end up being incorporated into the fundamental design of the Internet.

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<v Speaker 1>Before the Department of Defense essentially backed away from being

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<v Speaker 1>the caretaker of the Internet. All registration ultimately went to

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<v Speaker 1>the Department of Defense. So think about that, if you

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to register at top level domain, you had to

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<v Speaker 1>send that information to the Department of Defense. That's not

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<v Speaker 1>intimidating at all. But Xerox got in early, well before

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<v Speaker 1>any domain squatters could come along and mess things up.

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<v Speaker 1>Xerox produced it's two millionth copier in nineteen The company

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<v Speaker 1>was really starting to face fierce competition in the space.

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<v Speaker 1>At this point, Xerox's main concentration remained the enterprise business. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>they kept on focusing on those big corporate clients as

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<v Speaker 1>opposed to trying to really break into the consumer marketplace.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen Xerox introduced docu Tech. That's a product that

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<v Speaker 1>allowed for scanning, editing, filing, and printing jobs all from

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<v Speaker 1>one product. So kind of like a a photo copier

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<v Speaker 1>on steroids, right. It's the machine that just can do anything,

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<v Speaker 1>the Swiss Army photo copier. That's also the year that

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<v Speaker 1>Paul A Laire would become these Xerox CEO. Now A

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<v Speaker 1>Laire had been with the company since nineteen sixty six,

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<v Speaker 1>and it would be when he becomes CEO of the

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<v Speaker 1>company his first moves as CEO were to divest Xerox

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<v Speaker 1>of several of the financial services departments the company had

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<v Speaker 1>formed in an effort to diversify like those insurance companies

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<v Speaker 1>I was talking about. The revenue of the company at

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<v Speaker 1>that point was thirteen point six billion dollars. Xerox Park. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>Create did something kind of cool. It was called lamb

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<v Speaker 1>Da Move, which you might think that means that Xerox

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<v Speaker 1>was genetically producing Greek yogurt or something, But that's not

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<v Speaker 1>what was going on, at least not that I know of. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe they were doing that too, but that's not what

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<v Speaker 1>Lambda move was. Lambda move was an early multi user

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<v Speaker 1>object oriented online environment. MOVE stands for multi user object

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<v Speaker 1>oriented or sometimes MUD object oriented. MUD, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>stands for a multi user dungeon. So it all it

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<v Speaker 1>gets very recursive. Think of it as a text based

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<v Speaker 1>environment that allows people to log into it remotely and

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<v Speaker 1>interact with one another. It's a fancy type of chat

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<v Speaker 1>room that has some added capabilities, like little spaces that

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<v Speaker 1>you could define as channels or rooms of their own,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as programmed objects within it that can sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>produce effects based upon commands you would type in, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's all text based. Was also when Xerox introduced the

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<v Speaker 1>DocuTech Production Publisher, the first in its DocuTech series of products.

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<v Speaker 1>It could make copies, manipulate documents, capture images, and more.

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<v Speaker 1>Xerox was adding new features and development from the Park

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<v Speaker 1>team in order to differentiate as products from all the

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<v Speaker 1>copiers that were coming out from competing companies. So while

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<v Speaker 1>other companies were selling copiers at lower cost, Xerox started

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<v Speaker 1>producing some that had added features that you could not

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<v Speaker 1>find in the competitors products. In three's Severe Tire Damage

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<v Speaker 1>performs a live streaming show at Xerox Park, using the

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<v Speaker 1>multicast backbone to send the performance over the Internet. I

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<v Speaker 1>actually covered this in an episode of Tech Stuff not

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<v Speaker 1>too long ago. I cannot, for the life of me,

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<v Speaker 1>remember what the topic was, but I remember talking about

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<v Speaker 1>severe tire Damage doing their live cast, and I just

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to take a moment to acknowledge the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>I've gotten to talk about severe tire damage twice in

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<v Speaker 1>the same few months. It always seems like it was

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<v Speaker 1>like a couple of weeks ago, but I know it

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<v Speaker 1>was longer than that. Xerox underwent a little rebrand ding.

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<v Speaker 1>The company would do this several times over the next

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<v Speaker 1>couple of decades. They changed their corporate symbol from blue

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<v Speaker 1>to red. It had been a blue Xerox, Now it

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<v Speaker 1>was read, and the symbol itself was turned to a

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<v Speaker 1>partially digitized X. The company also began to refer to

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<v Speaker 1>itself as the Document Company dash Xerox. In nineteen ninety six,

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<v Speaker 1>Kodak got out of the copy of business, so that

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<v Speaker 1>helped a little bit. Xerox revenue hit seventeen point four billion,

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<v Speaker 1>and in nineteen seven Zerox released the Document Center digital

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<v Speaker 1>copier products. On June of nineteen seven, g Richard Toman

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<v Speaker 1>left IBM to join Xerox. Now Toman was tapped to

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<v Speaker 1>become the successor to Paul Alaire and would become president

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<v Speaker 1>and CEO in nine seven. This marked the first time

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<v Speaker 1>someone from outside Xerox assumed the role of president. On

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<v Speaker 1>April one, nineteen ninety nine, he would be named CEO

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<v Speaker 1>and a Laire would resign from being CEO. Remember, Xerox

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<v Speaker 1>had this policy that when you hit sixty it was

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<v Speaker 1>time for you to resign as CEO. It didn't matter

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<v Speaker 1>what kind of job you were doing. That was the

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<v Speaker 1>tradition that had been established, so if you hit sixty,

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<v Speaker 1>it was time for you to get out. Now, a

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<v Speaker 1>layer would step down a CEO, but he remained the

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<v Speaker 1>chairman of the Board of Directors. You might think April

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<v Speaker 1>one is a pretty tough day to get named to

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<v Speaker 1>any position, and in this case, you're absolutely right, because

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<v Speaker 1>it ended up being a not so funny joke on Tommin.

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<v Speaker 1>Within thirteen months of assuming the role of CEO, he

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<v Speaker 1>would be relieved of duty. Specifically, he would get the

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<v Speaker 1>message from a layer that the board wanted Toman to

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<v Speaker 1>resign from his position or be forcibly removed from it.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, some of the board members said either he

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<v Speaker 1>goes or we go as and members of the board

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<v Speaker 1>were threatening to resign unless Tomin was taken out of

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<v Speaker 1>the office. So what the heck was happening? Well, first

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<v Speaker 1>of all, to go back to nine nine seven, when

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<v Speaker 1>Tomin became the president and CEO. That was a real

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<v Speaker 1>tough year for Xerox. The leadership decided that they needed

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<v Speaker 1>to do a massive reorganization and re prioritization, which directly

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<v Speaker 1>translated into cutting jobs. In to the tune of nine

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<v Speaker 1>thousand positions that represented about ten percent of Xerox's workforce,

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<v Speaker 1>So just imagine going to work and seeing that one

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<v Speaker 1>out of every ten of your co workers is gone.

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<v Speaker 1>That did not help at all that Tomin was coming

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<v Speaker 1>into this position, and also that Tomin was coming in

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<v Speaker 1>from outside Xerox rather than rising up in the ranks.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't have the relationships that other Xerox executives had

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<v Speaker 1>formed within the company. A lair who stayed on the

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<v Speaker 1>board was kind of the opposite. He had been around

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<v Speaker 1>since nineteen sixty six, and tom And encountered resistance when

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<v Speaker 1>he went about to make changes. For one thing, he

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<v Speaker 1>found it difficult to convince the board to hire the

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<v Speaker 1>management team that he felt was necessary for him to

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<v Speaker 1>get all the stuff he wanted done done. He was saying, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I need the management team, but the boards blocking me

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<v Speaker 1>on these moves. Now. A layer and several career Xerox

0:27:12.119 --> 0:27:14.600
<v Speaker 1>employees felt that Tomin was really trying to change too

0:27:14.720 --> 0:27:17.480
<v Speaker 1>much too quickly at the company and that he wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>taking the time to form the right relationships at work.

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<v Speaker 1>Tom And, for his part, was frustrated at running into

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<v Speaker 1>resistance and at the thought of having to behave in

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<v Speaker 1>a way that wasn't aligned with his leadership style. He

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<v Speaker 1>also said later that he should have insisted a Layer

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<v Speaker 1>step down from Xerox rather than stay on as chairman.

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<v Speaker 1>According to Tom And, he and a Laire had reached

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<v Speaker 1>an agreement by which a Laire could attend top management meetings,

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<v Speaker 1>but only if he remained quiet. So a Laire did

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<v Speaker 1>attend those meetings, and he did remain quiet. He didn't

0:27:45.880 --> 0:27:49.760
<v Speaker 1>speak at them unless at all, but his presence alone

0:27:50.040 --> 0:27:52.959
<v Speaker 1>was undermining Tommins authority, or at least seemed to at

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<v Speaker 1>any rate, with top level executives at Xerox often looking

0:27:56.400 --> 0:28:00.320
<v Speaker 1>at a Layer in response to questions rather than to Tom,

0:28:00.359 --> 0:28:03.280
<v Speaker 1>who was the one who was actually supposedly leading the company.

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<v Speaker 1>One month after tom And joined Xerox, the company stock

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<v Speaker 1>price hit a historic high of nearly sixty four dollars

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<v Speaker 1>per share. In the third quarter of the company posted

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<v Speaker 1>an eleven percent drop an income, and investors sold off

0:28:20.440 --> 0:28:23.240
<v Speaker 1>tons of shares, cutting the value of the company by

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<v Speaker 1>nearly twenty five percent. Imagine the value of your company

0:28:27.960 --> 0:28:32.440
<v Speaker 1>goes down an entire quarter. It's you know, one fourth

0:28:32.480 --> 0:28:34.720
<v Speaker 1>of the value of your company is gone. It is

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<v Speaker 1>very sobering By two thousand one, the price of the

0:28:38.000 --> 0:28:41.280
<v Speaker 1>stock dropped down to seven dollars per share, and the

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<v Speaker 1>amount of money that that represented collectively, if you multiplied

0:28:44.960 --> 0:28:46.680
<v Speaker 1>all the different shares and you looked at the price,

0:28:47.320 --> 0:28:52.120
<v Speaker 1>meant that the company lost thirty eight billion dollars. There

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<v Speaker 1>was actually talked for a while of the possibility that

0:28:54.480 --> 0:28:58.120
<v Speaker 1>Xerox might enter inter Chapter eleven bankruptcy. As it turned

0:28:58.160 --> 0:29:02.200
<v Speaker 1>out that didn't become necessary, but it was flirting with

0:29:02.280 --> 0:29:05.000
<v Speaker 1>that possibility for a while now. Part of the loss

0:29:05.040 --> 0:29:08.680
<v Speaker 1>was due to Xerox's international operations. The company had significant

0:29:08.720 --> 0:29:12.560
<v Speaker 1>holdings in Brazil, and Brazil was suffering from a catastrophic

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<v Speaker 1>economic crisis in two thousand uh and due to Brazil's

0:29:18.080 --> 0:29:20.959
<v Speaker 1>weak currency, it led to Xerox losing about a billion

0:29:21.000 --> 0:29:24.040
<v Speaker 1>dollars of its net worth. Some people said that it

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<v Speaker 1>was like Xerox was playing a game in in uh

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<v Speaker 1>in converting currency from one form to the other, and

0:29:29.560 --> 0:29:33.800
<v Speaker 1>it was losing. Around the same time, Xerox fired thirteen

0:29:33.840 --> 0:29:36.960
<v Speaker 1>employees at its Mexican subsidiary on the grounds that they

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<v Speaker 1>had allegedly cooked the books. According to Xerox, those employees

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<v Speaker 1>conspired to make it seem as if the subsidiaries performance

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<v Speaker 1>was far better than what it really was, So there

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<v Speaker 1>was a lot of tension going on inside Xerox at

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<v Speaker 1>this time. Tomin was essentially forced to step down and

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<v Speaker 1>an MML Kahi, who had been with Xerox for twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four years, was promoted to president and Chief operating Office.

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<v Speaker 1>She stated that Xerox had an quote unsustainable business model

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<v Speaker 1>end quote on an analysis call, but then she did

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<v Speaker 1>her best backtrack after that and say that wasn't really

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<v Speaker 1>what she meant, but it caused a lot of stir

0:30:15.240 --> 0:30:18.320
<v Speaker 1>that she said that xerox Is business model was unsustainable.

0:30:18.920 --> 0:30:21.920
<v Speaker 1>Moll Kay would lead the company to turn it around financially,

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<v Speaker 1>so she actually was able to maneuver Xerox into making

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<v Speaker 1>a profit again. By two thousand two, that was the case,

0:30:28.960 --> 0:30:32.240
<v Speaker 1>Xerox was making a profit and more Okay, he would

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<v Speaker 1>be both CEO and the chairman of the board of Xerox.

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<v Speaker 1>Two thousand two was also the year that Park spun

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<v Speaker 1>off as a wholly owned Xerox research company. It was

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<v Speaker 1>no longer its own division within Xerox. In two thousand four,

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<v Speaker 1>ten years after Xerox rebranded itself as the document company,

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<v Speaker 1>Dash Xerox. The company had another rebranding and went back

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<v Speaker 1>to being just Xerox in its corporate signature, so that

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<v Speaker 1>that X disappeared and the new logo was just the

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<v Speaker 1>word Xerox, but in all upper case letters. Xerox had

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<v Speaker 1>a really big year in two thousand six. That had

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<v Speaker 1>been a hundred years since the company's founding, so it

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<v Speaker 1>was their centennial. Xerox also acquired a company called x Empie,

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<v Speaker 1>which was a variable information software company, And you might

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<v Speaker 1>wonder what that means. I did. I had no idea

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<v Speaker 1>what a variable information software company did, so I went

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<v Speaker 1>to x empi's web page and I read this. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>a direct quote. X Empie, the leading provider of software

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<v Speaker 1>of for across media variable data one to one marketing

0:31:38.240 --> 0:31:41.680
<v Speaker 1>offers solutions to help businesses create and manage highly effective

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<v Speaker 1>direct marketing and cross media campaigns. So I guess it's

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<v Speaker 1>a marketing company. By the way, this that that isn't

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<v Speaker 1>very good. That's not that's not a very good mission statement.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not written very well. I mean, first of all,

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<v Speaker 1>it repeats the word cross media. You get cross media

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<v Speaker 1>twice in one and thence that's basic writing. One on

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<v Speaker 1>one you don't use the same term twice, and it

0:32:05.080 --> 0:32:08.040
<v Speaker 1>includes both the phrases one to one marketing and direct

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<v Speaker 1>marketing in that same sentence, which are essentially the same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But hey, I'm just a writer, what do I know.

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<v Speaker 1>Mostly I'm just giving marketing companies a hard time since

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<v Speaker 1>I find that they like consultants frequently obvious skate what

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<v Speaker 1>they really mean with fancy language, and I just used

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<v Speaker 1>off u skate And ironically, in two thousand and seven,

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<v Speaker 1>Ursula M. Burns would become the president of Xerox. Burns

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<v Speaker 1>had actually started at Xerox in nineteen eighty as a

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<v Speaker 1>mechanical engineering summer intern. She went from being an intern

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen eighty all the way to becoming president of

0:32:42.080 --> 0:32:44.680
<v Speaker 1>the company in two thousand and seven. Now, that is

0:32:44.720 --> 0:32:48.200
<v Speaker 1>a Xerox story that was more in line with the

0:32:48.280 --> 0:32:52.760
<v Speaker 1>corporate culture horizon. The company was was very much in

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<v Speaker 1>line with those traditional values, and people are often promoted

0:32:58.120 --> 0:33:00.920
<v Speaker 1>within the company at Xerox as opposed to being brought

0:33:00.920 --> 0:33:03.680
<v Speaker 1>in from outside. And we'll talk a lot more about

0:33:03.680 --> 0:33:07.560
<v Speaker 1>what Ursula and Burns did in her tenure as president

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<v Speaker 1>and later CEO of Xerox, But before we do that,

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<v Speaker 1>let's take another quick break to thank our sponsor. In

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand eight, just four years after they changed up

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<v Speaker 1>the corporate signature, Xerox decided to do it again. This

0:33:26.560 --> 0:33:29.080
<v Speaker 1>new version was still all in red, it was still

0:33:29.120 --> 0:33:31.200
<v Speaker 1>the name Xerox, but now it was on lower case

0:33:31.240 --> 0:33:34.080
<v Speaker 1>instead of upper case, and they also included a new image,

0:33:34.160 --> 0:33:38.080
<v Speaker 1>a spherical red symbol with lines forming an X on it. More.

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<v Speaker 1>Kay lead the company until two thousand nine, and that's

0:33:41.840 --> 0:33:45.280
<v Speaker 1>when Ursula Burns would step in as CEO. She became

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<v Speaker 1>the first African American woman to lead a company the

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<v Speaker 1>scale of Xerox. That same year, Xerox announced its intent

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<v Speaker 1>to acquire a company called Affiliated Computer Services. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand nine. Keep that in mind. This deal was

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<v Speaker 1>massive is about six point four billion dollars in both

0:34:04.320 --> 0:34:08.080
<v Speaker 1>cash and stocks. The acquisition became official in February two

0:34:08.080 --> 0:34:11.120
<v Speaker 1>thou ten, and Zerox would later sell off part of

0:34:11.120 --> 0:34:15.080
<v Speaker 1>Affiliate Computer Services, namely the i T outsourcing business to

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<v Speaker 1>a toss for more than one billion dollars, but they

0:34:19.560 --> 0:34:21.640
<v Speaker 1>held on to the rest of it, so they split

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<v Speaker 1>off like a division of this company they acquired and

0:34:25.440 --> 0:34:27.839
<v Speaker 1>sold it off because it was not it was not

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<v Speaker 1>progressing as quickly as some of the other business units,

0:34:30.320 --> 0:34:34.440
<v Speaker 1>and they didn't want to divide their attention too much. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the following years were pretty tough ones for the company.

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<v Speaker 1>In January, Xerox issued a press release announcing that the

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<v Speaker 1>company would split into two entities. Now this was largely

0:34:45.400 --> 0:34:49.680
<v Speaker 1>because Carl Icon, one of the major investors in Xerox,

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<v Speaker 1>had been urging Xerox to split into two publicly traded companies.

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<v Speaker 1>One would become the document management business and would retain

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<v Speaker 1>the name Xerox. The second business, which focused on business

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<v Speaker 1>services and was mostly the businesses Xerox acquired when it

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<v Speaker 1>bought Affiliated Computer Services back in two thousand nine, became

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<v Speaker 1>known as Conduit Ursula Burns would step down as CEO

0:35:14.680 --> 0:35:18.040
<v Speaker 1>after the split happened, although she remained chairman of Xerox.

0:35:18.360 --> 0:35:21.880
<v Speaker 1>Jeff Jacobson would join Xerox to become the new CEO,

0:35:22.280 --> 0:35:24.520
<v Speaker 1>or rather he would become the new CEO. He was

0:35:24.520 --> 0:35:26.799
<v Speaker 1>already part of Xerox. He was a former lawyer who

0:35:26.880 --> 0:35:30.279
<v Speaker 1>joined Xerox in at the officer level, so it's not

0:35:30.360 --> 0:35:33.640
<v Speaker 1>like he worked his way up from the lowest levels

0:35:33.680 --> 0:35:37.680
<v Speaker 1>to executive. He came in as an officer. He became

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<v Speaker 1>the chief operating officer of Xerox Technology in fourteen, so

0:35:41.120 --> 0:35:44.000
<v Speaker 1>just two years after joining the company, and then two

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<v Speaker 1>years after that he became the CEO. Xerox is still

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<v Speaker 1>very much in business. In the company announced a massive

0:35:51.320 --> 0:35:54.319
<v Speaker 1>production launch of twenty nine new products, the biggest in

0:35:54.400 --> 0:35:58.000
<v Speaker 1>its history. The company has focused more on network document management,

0:35:58.040 --> 0:36:00.040
<v Speaker 1>including solutions that allow you to send print jobs for

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<v Speaker 1>mobile devices and massive documents centers. Also, I should point

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<v Speaker 1>out that there's still a lot of uncertainty about what's

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<v Speaker 1>going to happen with Xerox over the next few months.

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<v Speaker 1>There's some worry that there will be a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>cost cutting measures, which often result in people losing their jobs.

0:36:18.600 --> 0:36:22.319
<v Speaker 1>Their entire towns that are really worried about what could

0:36:22.320 --> 0:36:25.520
<v Speaker 1>happen in the future because Xerox is the major employer

0:36:25.800 --> 0:36:29.239
<v Speaker 1>at those those towns, and some cases you're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>people who are now working for a totally different company

0:36:31.960 --> 0:36:36.480
<v Speaker 1>in Conduit. So there's a lot of uncertainty at the

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<v Speaker 1>time being. And before I conclude this series about Xerox,

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<v Speaker 1>I need to talk a little bit about this idea

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<v Speaker 1>of generic sized trademarks. So a trademark is a type

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<v Speaker 1>of design, like a logo or a representation of a

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<v Speaker 1>provider of goods and services that sets it apart from

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<v Speaker 1>others in that same field. A trademark indicates that a

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<v Speaker 1>particular product or asset belongs to a specific company that

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<v Speaker 1>an official version of that asset. It means consumers know

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<v Speaker 1>from whom their products originated. You can license trademarks to

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<v Speaker 1>others if you want to. And let's say, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>you create a popular character on a television showing to children.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a puppet of some sort, and you've trademarked the

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<v Speaker 1>image of that puppet. That puppet represents your work. You've

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<v Speaker 1>trademarkedt so other people can't just go out and make

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<v Speaker 1>a copy of it, at least not without becoming um

0:37:28.400 --> 0:37:32.440
<v Speaker 1>liable for a terrible lawsuit. And you might have a

0:37:32.520 --> 0:37:35.480
<v Speaker 1>toy manufacturing company being down your door to partner with

0:37:35.520 --> 0:37:39.760
<v Speaker 1>you in order to produce toy versions of this trademarked character.

0:37:40.200 --> 0:37:42.840
<v Speaker 1>You could choose the license the trademark character designed to

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<v Speaker 1>that company and produce tons of toys and make wheelbarrows

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<v Speaker 1>full of money. Lots of companies do this, But one

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<v Speaker 1>thing that you have to do with a trademark is defended.

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<v Speaker 1>So if someone else starts selling toys of your beloved

0:37:57.520 --> 0:38:00.320
<v Speaker 1>character and you do nothing to stop them as and

0:38:00.440 --> 0:38:03.040
<v Speaker 1>you don't sue the pants off of them, then your

0:38:03.080 --> 0:38:06.279
<v Speaker 1>trademark is actually in danger. If a court finds that

0:38:06.360 --> 0:38:09.320
<v Speaker 1>you had the opportunity to defend a trademark but you didn't,

0:38:09.360 --> 0:38:11.560
<v Speaker 1>they might say, well, your trademarks not valid because you

0:38:11.560 --> 0:38:15.400
<v Speaker 1>didn't actually defend it. So this is different from a copyright,

0:38:15.440 --> 0:38:20.040
<v Speaker 1>which just stays there and you can sue anybody who

0:38:20.080 --> 0:38:23.880
<v Speaker 1>infringes upon your copyright anytime during the duration of the

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<v Speaker 1>copyrights legitimacy, which is a pretty long time in the

0:38:28.200 --> 0:38:31.960
<v Speaker 1>United States thanks to companies like Disney. Trademark is a

0:38:31.960 --> 0:38:35.680
<v Speaker 1>little different. You have to be very um aggressive in

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<v Speaker 1>defending your trademark. Again, if you look at Disney, you've

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<v Speaker 1>probably heard stories about the company telling, say, a school,

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<v Speaker 1>that it had to take down a mural that had

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<v Speaker 1>Disney characters on it because they were unlicensed versions of

0:38:49.880 --> 0:38:53.160
<v Speaker 1>those characters. And while you might say, well, where's the

0:38:53.160 --> 0:38:55.319
<v Speaker 1>harm in a small school putting up a mural of

0:38:55.360 --> 0:38:59.080
<v Speaker 1>Disney characters. From Disney's perspective, the harm is that if

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<v Speaker 1>they do not go forward and try to prevent people

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<v Speaker 1>from using their trademarked intellectual property without without permission, then

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<v Speaker 1>they lose They may lose the trademark protection in the

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<v Speaker 1>first place, so they tend to be a little overzealous

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<v Speaker 1>in protecting in order to make sure that doesn't happen. Um,

0:39:18.960 --> 0:39:21.800
<v Speaker 1>if your trademark becomes invalid, you have no real legal

0:39:21.800 --> 0:39:24.319
<v Speaker 1>protection to your expression and anyone can jump on it,

0:39:24.360 --> 0:39:28.080
<v Speaker 1>potentially confusing the market. As a result, you could always

0:39:28.440 --> 0:39:32.759
<v Speaker 1>try and take someone to court, but it depends on again,

0:39:32.800 --> 0:39:35.920
<v Speaker 1>if you haven't been very good about defending your trademark,

0:39:36.200 --> 0:39:38.920
<v Speaker 1>it's not It's not great news for you from the

0:39:38.960 --> 0:39:43.360
<v Speaker 1>court's perspective. One thing you definitely do not want is

0:39:43.360 --> 0:39:47.000
<v Speaker 1>a genericized trademark. Now, that's a brand name that becomes

0:39:47.000 --> 0:39:49.600
<v Speaker 1>so synonymous with a type of product or service that

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<v Speaker 1>people just use it for any instance of that product

0:39:53.560 --> 0:39:56.600
<v Speaker 1>or service, even if it came from another company's products,

0:39:57.040 --> 0:40:01.399
<v Speaker 1>which can obviously devalue the trademarked intellectu property. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you were to say I'm gonna go xerox this document

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<v Speaker 1>instead of I'm going to photocopy this document or scan

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<v Speaker 1>this document or whatever you're using xeroxes trademark name in

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<v Speaker 1>a way that's more generic, and you might be using

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<v Speaker 1>a copying machine that isn't even made by Xerox. For

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<v Speaker 1>crying out loud, you could say, oh, I need to

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<v Speaker 1>go xerox this, and you're using a canon copier. Xerox

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<v Speaker 1>is actually run awareness campaigns asking people not to use

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<v Speaker 1>the word Xerox in this way. The company tried to

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<v Speaker 1>appeal to the sympathy of the masses in these pieces,

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<v Speaker 1>which are a little funny to read something that was

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<v Speaker 1>not universally accepted as a serious message among all readers.

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<v Speaker 1>After all, I mean, what does the average person care

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<v Speaker 1>of a billion dollar company name becomes synonymous with the

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<v Speaker 1>technology that at one time that same company had a

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<v Speaker 1>monopoly over. Right, Once upon a time, you could probably

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<v Speaker 1>call it xerox NG because Xerox was more or less

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<v Speaker 1>the only game in town. And if there's no one competing,

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<v Speaker 1>then there's not really much danger of the trademark being

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<v Speaker 1>infringed upon. Now, officially, Xerox is not a generic trademark.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not recognized as a generic trademark, unlike some other

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<v Speaker 1>products like aspirin is a generic trademark. Now escalators, linoleum.

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<v Speaker 1>All of those are generic trademarks, but Xerox is in

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<v Speaker 1>a class of protected trademarks that are still sometimes used

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<v Speaker 1>in generic fashion. So a couple of other examples in

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<v Speaker 1>that category would be Kleenex or band aid. So these

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<v Speaker 1>are all things that are technically protected trademarks, but people

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<v Speaker 1>use them pretty casually, whether or not they're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the specific products or services, or they're just talking about

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<v Speaker 1>something similar that, you know, out of convenience sake, we

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<v Speaker 1>use a single brand name band Aid, I think is

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<v Speaker 1>really a big one. Clean X too. Really, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know many people who say, hey, could you

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<v Speaker 1>pass me a facial tissue or I would very much

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<v Speaker 1>need an adhesive bandage to cover this gaping wound that

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<v Speaker 1>has opened up on my hand. Ramsey. That's a hint. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just kidding. It's actually it's all right. I've I've

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<v Speaker 1>got a I got I got an alley on my thumb.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's okay at the moment. Now, I don't I

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<v Speaker 1>don't need a facial tissue for my alley, Ramsey. Ramsey

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<v Speaker 1>is trying to be helpful, but he's handing me. Wait,

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<v Speaker 1>that's actually, that's actually puffs, So that's not clean x

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<v Speaker 1>some sellotape Also Sellotape, by the way, also used to

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<v Speaker 1>be an actual brand name, but now as a generic

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<v Speaker 1>sized trademark, as I recall. So I just wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>take time to address that because it's one of those

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<v Speaker 1>things people often think about when they hear the term

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<v Speaker 1>xerox or or any of those other ones I was

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<v Speaker 1>talking about, like, is that actually a generic trademark at

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<v Speaker 1>this point? Can anyone use it? Technically? No, you cannot

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<v Speaker 1>market anything as xerox unless you are the company Xerox.

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<v Speaker 1>And while you might call something a Xerox, or you

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<v Speaker 1>might refer to xerox seeing a document that is not

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<v Speaker 1>technically correct, and of course that's the most important type

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<v Speaker 1>of correct. We all live on the Internet. We know

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<v Speaker 1>that to be technically correct means that you win. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>That wraps up the story of Xerox so far, anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I said, pretty dramatic. You look at the humble

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<v Speaker 1>beginnings of a tiny little company that was existing in

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<v Speaker 1>the shadow of Kodak, to the Xerox Park days where

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<v Speaker 1>incredible R and D work was going on that would

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<v Speaker 1>shape our use of computers in the future. And yet

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<v Speaker 1>the company was very much unable to capitalize on it,

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<v Speaker 1>all the way up to the modern day where the

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<v Speaker 1>company has recently split apart and people are still kind

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<v Speaker 1>of wondering what's going to happen to it, And we'll

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<v Speaker 1>keep our eyes on it. Maybe someday it will warrant

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<v Speaker 1>a part four, a kind of a catching up on

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<v Speaker 1>what has happened so far. But until that day, we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to put this one to bed. Guys, if you

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