1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: Calling all my sweeties to the forefront. I'm your host, 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: christ Rhine and Hazel and this is the Keep It Positive, 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: Sweetish Show. Well, welcome to the Keep It Positive, Sweetish Show, 4 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: the place where we hell grow and learn together. 5 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 2: Today's guest is. 6 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 1: Grammy Award winning singer, songwriter, worship leader Jonathan McReynolds. Jonathan 7 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: McReynolds music has long created a space for reflection of 8 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:29,479 Speaker 1: faith and real time conversation with God. Today's conversation goes 9 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: beyond the songs, touching on faith, vulnerability, growth, and what 10 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: it really means to walk with God in real time. 11 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: Kid saying, please give a very warm welcome to Jonathan 12 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: mc reynolds. Jonathan, thank you so much. 13 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 2: Thank you. 14 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 1: Yes, I've been wanting you to come on. You were 15 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 1: in town promoting your new album. So excited to have 16 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 1: you on. You are a man of mini gifts. You're 17 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: a singer, a songwriter, an author, an actor, a musician, 18 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: all the things. But before we get into the work 19 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: that you've done, what I want to do and I 20 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: want to get into the habit of doing this when 21 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: people sit down because we're carrying so much. 22 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 2: How are you, oh man? 23 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: Because I think we don't think we go right into it. 24 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: You know, how are you well? 25 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 2: How much time you got? Got thirty eight minutes? Now? 26 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 2: I'm good. I think that recently, with a lot of 27 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 2: what's going on in the world, it's been a little heavy, 28 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 2: you know. You know, I think that, you know, a 29 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 2: daily dose of society is a little overwhelming. After a while, 30 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:36,680 Speaker 2: it starts to accumulate that plus your own personal stuff 31 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 2: that you're carrying. Right, So I think that there is 32 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 2: while I feel good and God has been really blessing, 33 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 2: I have a lot of things to look forward to, 34 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 2: I do feel a little heaviness in this season. As 35 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 2: you know, I try to hear God on what I 36 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 2: should be doing, how I should be responding or not responding, 37 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 2: and to whom you know. And so I think that 38 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 2: in these times there's some restlessness, like I should be 39 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 2: doing something. We already feel like that about career and 40 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 2: love and everything else. We should be doing something right now. 41 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 2: But then the world gives you another reason to try 42 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 2: to figure that out quickly as well. And I think 43 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 2: I have been a little heavier, still happy, but a 44 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:24,239 Speaker 2: little heavy. 45 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: Same, I feel the same thing that has been my 46 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: prayer lately, like God what am I supposed to be doing? 47 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: What voys do you want me to be or not 48 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: in this season? Because there's so much going on and 49 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:36,679 Speaker 1: oftentimes I feel like a lot of it is distractions. 50 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: So I also pray for like, what is it that 51 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: I'm missing or that I may not be seeing while 52 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 1: all this is going on because it's so much noise. 53 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, and sometimes we have to be okay with not 54 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 2: doing much at all, right now, you know what I'm saying. 55 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 2: I think as people with platforms, we recognize some level 56 00:02:56,040 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 2: of social responsibility that we we all feel like our 57 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 2: number one responsibility and priority is the world that watches 58 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 2: us and our following that cares and the fans that consume. 59 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 2: Sometimes the number one priority is one you too, just 60 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 2: your people, your family, your friends. I've had incredible private 61 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 2: conversations that I can't figure out how to put on 62 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 2: threads for life of me, And by the time I 63 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 2: think about what to post, something else has happened. 64 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: Seriously, sometimes I have to log off. It's like this 65 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: is too much. 66 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, So just just allowing allowing God to help you 67 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 2: process for yourself, give you opportunities to process with people 68 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 2: privately and individually, and then maybe there's something to be 69 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 2: shared to the greater world out there. 70 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: And I feel like he'll put that on your heart. 71 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: He'll let you know, like share this. Yeah, because there's 72 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: some times I've been ready to go off on threads. 73 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: Oh this is just so much going on, and God, 74 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: it's a quiet wist. He's like, I'm in control of this. 75 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: I got it, y'all. Need you say nothing? Let me 76 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: handle it. And I'm like, you know what, I find 77 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: peace now, Like he does have the final say in everything. 78 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: As much as I want to be like you're gonna 79 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: get what's coming to you. 80 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, we want to. We want to be the we wanna. 81 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 2: We want to see justice like we wanna. It's just 82 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 2: human to want to see what the seeds that you 83 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 2: plant grow up to be. You know, it's hard to 84 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 2: you know, as they say, like, uh, you'll never get 85 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 2: to sit in the shade of the tree that you 86 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 2: plant it. You know, it's way far down the line. 87 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 2: There's generations that are gonna be watching this or we're 88 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:44,799 Speaker 2: gonna be. Yeah, you know, we're consuming stuff from people 89 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 2: who never would have even thought that this would be 90 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 2: the context for their art. And so I think that 91 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 2: we definitely have to trust that we're not just living 92 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 2: out our plan. We are part of a very long, 93 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 2: great agenda and plan and narrative, and we got to 94 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 2: play our parts even if we don't see all of 95 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:11,679 Speaker 2: the ends that we want to see. 96 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so true. 97 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 2: That is good. 98 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: You are known for making music feel like a conversation, 99 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: not a performance. I want to know, at what point 100 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: did your relationship with God come about actually being up 101 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: living it versus just acting it out when it came 102 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: to your music. 103 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 2: Oh, man, I think that's that's a fight every day, 104 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 2: you know, I don't think you know, I think they. 105 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 2: I think people might get a lot of us Jesus 106 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 2: folks wrong, okay, like like we like we get somewhere 107 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 2: and then we've graduated. No, most of the time, you 108 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 2: have to pick up across every day. 109 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 1: Every day. 110 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 2: You have to get daily bread, like you know, I wish, 111 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 2: I mean. And there are some things that I just 112 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 2: don't have to worry about anymore that I've just completely 113 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 2: mature passed. But then there's some things that it'll just 114 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 2: be coming right back, and I gotta I gotta put it, 115 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,799 Speaker 2: you know, I gotta put the dog back in the closet. Again. 116 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 2: You know, he somehow got his way up found his 117 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 2: way out. And so I think that in this season, 118 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 2: you know, I'm accepting not just how well I'm doing, 119 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 2: but I'm accepting who I am in Christ. That's different. 120 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 2: That's different because that doesn't go up and down with 121 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 2: your whims and your feelings. It doesn't go up and 122 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 2: down with how everybody else feels. That's your status. That's 123 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 2: your status, your son. You're a daughter of God. And 124 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 2: from that place I do things or not do things. 125 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 2: From that place, I make maybe hopefully less mistakes. From 126 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 2: that place, I can come somewhere confidently as opposed to 127 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 2: I'm on a good streak, you know what I'm saying. 128 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 2: That's how we be thinking, Like, you know, I'm doing 129 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 2: good this you know, this summer's been great. And the 130 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 2: truth is, when you were doing terribly, you would know 131 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 2: less of a son, and when you're doing amazing, you 132 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 2: know more of a son. You know, you are just 133 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 2: maybe imbiding a little bit more and accessing a little 134 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 2: more of something you already had. 135 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that something that we both do. We 136 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: live our life out loud and in the public eye 137 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: as a follower Christ and a believer sometimes that can 138 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: be tough because they're watching everything in real time, the falls, 139 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: the triumphs, they're seeing it all. Has there ever been 140 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: a moment in your career where you like, like I 141 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: wish that didn't happen, or where you felt like you know, 142 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: I just I won't take a step back. 143 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 2: This is too much every day like you, I mean, yeah, no, 144 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 2: I mean the first half where what was the first half? 145 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: The first living your life out in public and. 146 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 2: As a believer, Yeah, I think I think I would 147 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 2: say this has been my biggest lesson because when you 148 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 2: first start, and at various places in your career, God 149 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 2: and people will sound the same. They'll all be clapping 150 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 2: or they'll all be booing, you know, and you'll be like, man, 151 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 2: people are enjoying this, they're being blessed by it. Therefore 152 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 2: God must be in it, he must be happy. And 153 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 2: then there are other times where they're still being blessed 154 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 2: by it and God is not that impressed, or people 155 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 2: don't like it, and God is smiling, And so I 156 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 2: think every day That's why I never want to I 157 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,719 Speaker 2: can never buy the idea that I figured anything out 158 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 2: or mastered anything, because it is kind of a moving target. 159 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,559 Speaker 2: It is kind of a pursuit all the time. I'm 160 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 2: always trying to figure out where God is and where 161 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 2: He isn't well, I'm supposed to be where I'm not 162 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 2: supposed to be. And maybe I was supposed to be 163 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 2: in this room for a season and not in this season. 164 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 2: You know, maybe people were supposed to clap in this season, 165 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,439 Speaker 2: but not in this season, And so I think trying 166 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 2: to figure that out in front of people. Our biggest 167 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 2: pitfall is thinking that the people's happiness and approval is God. 168 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 2: Is the voice of God, is the approval of God, 169 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 2: and having to unlearned that in this day, in this 170 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:39,439 Speaker 2: age for me, because I've never been I've never been 171 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 2: an adult without also being a career musician. I've never 172 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 2: been a musician without also being a Christian. And honestly, 173 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 2: when I was beginning my Christian journey, I started writing music, 174 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,079 Speaker 2: and so people put me on a platform of being 175 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 2: a minister as well of it. So I've never even 176 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 2: been a Christian without having to tell the world about it, 177 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. And so when you have 178 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 2: all those things put together, you gotta unravel them and say, Okay, 179 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 2: but who am I yes, skip the fact that I'm 180 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:15,839 Speaker 2: you know, they are expecting a minister out of me 181 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 2: or expecting a song out of me. What's my actual 182 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 2: prayer and condition and status. And I think that's the 183 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 2: hardest part for us is knowing that they'll never fully 184 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 2: know yes, and they'll never fully tell us that part. Yeah, Clockett, 185 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 2: that's so good. 186 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 1: That is so good in your life and your journey. 187 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: Has there ever been a moment where you felt like, 188 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: and we can be honest, like where sometimes you be like, dang, 189 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: my god, I really wanted that you felt let down 190 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:47,679 Speaker 1: or felt like he was being silent in a moment, 191 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 1: And how did you navigate that keeping your faith aligned 192 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: with what you really believed? 193 00:10:54,679 --> 00:11:01,959 Speaker 2: H I think there are a lot of things I 194 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 2: thought of when you said that, there's a lot You'd 195 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 2: be asking these questions that have like ten answers, and 196 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 2: I'll be catching even each one. The first thing I'll 197 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 2: think about is keep doing what you were doing a 198 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 2: lot of times, you know, we're looking for a fresh 199 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 2: instruction when we just need to continue what we were doing, 200 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 2: even in this new season, even in this new place. 201 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 2: If you were if you were writing and praying and 202 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 2: studying in this season, and God ain't told you to 203 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:41,839 Speaker 2: do nothing something different and keep doing it even if 204 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 2: you're status with other people that's changed. And on the 205 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 2: other level, I do believe that we don't do often. 206 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 2: I have gone through seasons where I've wanted God to 207 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 2: be a lot more plainer, a lot more like, just 208 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 2: a lot more playing, a lot more. Just God, just 209 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 2: whisper in my ear and tell me what I'm supposed 210 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 2: to do. Tell me if that girl is the one, 211 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,439 Speaker 2: she's gonna make everybody mad. You know what I'm saying. 212 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 2: Just just say it. You just say no. And sometimes 213 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 2: he does, and I oftentimes have the time. When he does, 214 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 2: I still disobey anyway, and so so it really, Oh no, 215 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 2: you wouldn't have been that obvious. That's just me. But 216 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 2: He's right, and we still don't even listen to the 217 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 2: clear stuff. So truly, the I think that what people 218 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 2: have to understand is one a journey here, and we 219 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 2: have to work out our salvation and fear and trembling. 220 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 2: We have to constantly pursue. Like he hides himself on purpose, 221 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,719 Speaker 2: it's not so that he will never be known. It's 222 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 2: so that we reach to find them, and so that 223 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 2: he can reveal stuff. And so please understand that if 224 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 2: if there is a moment of silence, if there's a 225 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 2: moment about I'm not really sure half the time, ninety 226 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 2: five percent of the time, it's so you can reach, 227 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 2: so you can do try something different, so you can 228 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 2: pray a little bit more, so you can wake up 229 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 2: a little earlier and really try to find him. And 230 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 2: in that process you normally find out a whole bunch 231 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:21,319 Speaker 2: of other stuff about you and your world. And I 232 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 2: think that's just I think we're so kind of in 233 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 2: minded that we forget the journey in between that is 234 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:29,959 Speaker 2: normally pretty uncertain for sure. 235 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: For sure, in that you just talked about how like 236 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: you'll ask God, it needs to be clear. Are there 237 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: any lessons? And I'm sure there are because we all 238 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: For me, for sure, there's been lessons that I've had 239 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: to learn more than once. What is something that you'd 240 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: be like God, like, I know you told me not 241 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:47,199 Speaker 1: to do this, or I know I've learned the lesson, 242 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 1: but I keep the cycles, we keep repeating it. 243 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's about to say, that's saying here. 244 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 2: I don't be scared now because the camera's on. She 245 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 2: gave a great eat. It was a very see I 246 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 2: told you she'd be holding back. Yeah, like of course, 247 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 2: of course, Like I'm meant it when I said, you know, 248 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 2: the devil learns from your mistakes even if you don't. 249 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 2: And again, a lot of times we realize our mistakes 250 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 2: when stuff starts hitting a fan. But one of the 251 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 2: greatest things, one of the most brilliant things the devil does, 252 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 2: is makes he makes the wrong thing feel comfortable a 253 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 2: lot more often than not, doing the wrong thing don't 254 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 2: feel that bad. It takes a while for it to 255 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 2: blow up in your face. And therefore, our decisions to 256 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 2: follow God or to live in a certain way can't 257 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 2: be connected just to the drama or a lack of drama, 258 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 2: the outcome or lack of outcome. It's all about who 259 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 2: you want. You want this or you want me? Who 260 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 2: you want? You know what I'm saying, That's the whole thing, 261 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 2: is who you want. It's not even what feels better, 262 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 2: It's just who you want. And our whole process is 263 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 2: trying to figure out who we want, who we want. 264 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 2: And for me, a lot of my recurring mistakes came 265 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 2: from right now, I'm lonely. I want company more than 266 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 2: I want Jesus. Come, I want you know, somebody. I 267 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 2: want companionship more than Jesus. I want somebody to see 268 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 2: me more than Jesus. You know what I'm saying. And 269 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 2: these are not like things that sound terrible. I ain't 270 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 2: say I want it evil. I didn't want bad, but 271 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 2: I did want those things, and I chose sometimes the 272 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 2: quick fix of those rather than the long term idea 273 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 2: of a relationship with my father in heaven. And so 274 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 2: I think that, of course there's been a lot of those, 275 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 2: a lot of recurring mistakes because my immediate needs and 276 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 2: my immediate ways that I know I can get to 277 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 2: those needs being kind of met temporarily whatever they normally 278 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 2: are in the opposite direction of where God actually wanted 279 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 2: me to go. And so, yeah, I'm I'm admitting in 280 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 2: front of your audience that when I wrote cycles, I 281 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 2: wasn't writing it about y'all. I was writing it about. 282 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: Meestimony that was me and I. 283 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 2: And and to certain things, certain cycles, I've gotten better 284 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 2: and some I still have to figure that thing out. 285 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: And you are not alone in that, y'all do. And 286 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: I feel like anybody asks like they got it all together, 287 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: they're a liar. 288 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 2: They probably don't. 289 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: They do not because nobody has it all together. Everybody 290 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: struggles with something. I'm a firm believer of that. Last year, 291 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: you wrote a book before You Climb any Higher and 292 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:04,120 Speaker 1: if on character, humility, spiritual alignment, before success. Let's talk 293 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 1: about that, because so many people want the fame, they 294 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: want the light, they want the success. But these the 295 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:11,360 Speaker 1: things that you focus on in this book are things 296 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 1: that people really need to have intact before they get 297 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: the success or you will not withstand everything that comes 298 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 1: with it. Let's talk about that and unpack what prompted 299 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 1: you to write this book and what are some of 300 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 1: the things that you went through where you're like, this 301 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: is something we need to put on paper. 302 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 2: Oh for sure, Like, I mean, all right, So, if 303 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 2: you look at mountains, they're beautiful, they're incredible, they're noble. Wow, 304 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 2: I would love to be on top of that mountain. 305 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:41,360 Speaker 2: But if you really look at them, there's trees, grass 306 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 2: green on the bottom and there's snow, ice, thin air 307 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 2: on the top. Right. What people don't realize is while 308 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 2: mountains look amazing from back here, to be on a 309 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 2: mountain is hell. To be on the mountain frightening looks 310 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 2: to be on the mountain. There's you know, less oxygen, 311 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 2: nothing to eat. You know, you start, you know, you 312 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:05,400 Speaker 2: start making mistakes. I don't know if you like an 313 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 2: arts buff. Did you see have you seen Hamilton? Yes? 314 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, And I listened to the soundtrack. 315 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 2: That's what I'm talking about it. I listened to that 316 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 2: thing for about five months like that, and I never 317 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 2: I'm not even a big musical theater person, but I 318 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 2: really enjoyed that. And there was one line when Hamilton 319 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 2: was about to make his big mistake you know what 320 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 2: I'm saying, that would haunt him for the rest of 321 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:30,439 Speaker 2: his life. It said, you've never seen a bastard or 322 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:32,959 Speaker 2: for more in need of a break. He was tired. Yes, 323 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 2: we didn't talk it. We didn't say his character was bad. 324 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 2: We didn't say he was a ridiculous person. We said 325 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 2: he was tired. A lot of our mistakes happened because 326 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 2: we're tired. We're on this mountain, this lifeless mountain, and 327 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 2: we keep climbing because I don't I don't want mediocrity 328 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 2: to catch me. I don't want I want to win 329 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 2: one more award, and maybe my father would love me 330 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 2: or let me get this, and maybe my ex would 331 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 2: be jealous. We keep doing a whole bunch of climbing 332 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 2: higher and higher and higher, and the truth is we're 333 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 2: up there tired, and so mistakes start to happen. You know, 334 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 2: loss of identity starts to happen. You know, the proverbial 335 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 2: selling your soul starts to happen when you're tired and 336 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,199 Speaker 2: you want. You think something up there is going to 337 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 2: give you rest, and really the rest was down there. 338 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 2: The rest is humbling. The rest is going back before 339 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 2: you were a CEO, before you were star, before you 340 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 2: had a blue check, and you were just son or daughter. 341 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 2: That's what the rest is. And so yeah, I'm not 342 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 2: just encouraging people who haven't climbed to get some more 343 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 2: of that life. But I'm really encouraging us who are 344 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 2: climbing that we can step down too. I know it's scary. 345 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 2: People might see us without makeup and you know, haircut 346 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:57,120 Speaker 2: and I got a hoodie whatever it is. But man, nah, 347 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 2: like we gotta step down or we'll die there. 348 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: That's so true. I love that. I love that you 349 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: just talk about loneliness and in your music you've been 350 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,120 Speaker 1: very vocal about what you really go through, Like even 351 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 1: with cycles, you talk about loneliness, longing, and self reflection. 352 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: I want to know what parts of you have you 353 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: had to make peace with as you've been on this 354 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 1: journey of navigating the loneliness and the self reflection. Oh man, 355 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 1: Because when I feel like when you're lonely and sitting 356 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: by yourself, it's so much that you like really have 357 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: to be like, oh, I see me now, you know 358 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 1: before you like you're not distracted by anybody else. 359 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,360 Speaker 2: I think that's the that's the best answer right there. 360 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 2: You have to learn to see you again. We'd be 361 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 2: one and everybody see us. Yes, Yeah, And I if 362 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 2: I really got honest all those times where I was 363 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 2: hoping somebody saw me, I don't know that I really 364 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:59,239 Speaker 2: saw myself. You know what I'm saying. Like me, we 365 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 2: want everybody else to kind of like initiate the understanding 366 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 2: of ourselves, Like y'all if y'all applaud for the right stuff, 367 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 2: and y'all tell me that I'm good, and you tell 368 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 2: me that I'm wanted, You tell me that I'm desirable, 369 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 2: you tell me that I'm beautiful or handsome. If you 370 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:20,199 Speaker 2: tell me, then I'll know about myself what you know 371 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 2: about yourself first, that's good, and so I would say 372 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 2: that my biggest answer to that is normally I need 373 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 2: other people to do for me stuff that I was 374 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 2: supposed to do for myself. And the loneliness, of course, man, 375 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 2: I still I still walk with the idea that you know, 376 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 2: I'm not supposed to be alone. No no, no no, 377 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 2: it's still is still a place I need to be. 378 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 2: But on the part of it that makes it real 379 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 2: ugly is when you feel like nobody sees you in it. 380 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 2: But I need you, you incredible, wise person that's always 381 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 2: able to see other people. I need you to turn 382 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 2: your eye back on yourself and for a day or 383 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 2: two see you, and I bet you a lot of 384 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 2: that boredom and loneliness will go away when you realize 385 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 2: just how interesting and amazing you are. So true without 386 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 2: them telling you first. 387 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: That is so true. And I think also when we 388 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: are in industries where our lives lie in the collapse 389 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: and the applause and the approval, you get lost in that, 390 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 1: and when people aren't saying, no, you're great, this is amazing, 391 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 1: it's like you're waiting for that, and it turns into 392 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: like I need to hear that in everything, you know, 393 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: And it's so people don't understand how like when that 394 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: is what your life lies on. It's like wow, like 395 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: I kind of need that for everything. 396 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 2: Right, and I need it constantly, you know what I'm saying. 397 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 2: It's like why nobody gotting? 398 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: Why aren't you guys? Goy you sleeping? 399 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 2: Wow? He was up, he was just texting somebody. Let's 400 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 2: look at who up? Yeah? Right? But uh, the way 401 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,360 Speaker 2: you looked at you like it looked like you did 402 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,439 Speaker 2: something though, look like got But. 403 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: No, man, what you do you look for that approve 404 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: of like the nodes and the audience everybody? 405 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 2: Sure, and now you need it every single time you 406 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 2: needed every single time everything, and uh yeah, we can 407 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 2: add that's that's how you get lost in it. People 408 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 2: think that it's like way more like uh intentional or 409 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 2: like quick like we literally just decide I'm going to 410 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 2: lose myself and it's no, it's subtle, like it is 411 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 2: just over time you start. Man, there was literally a moment. 412 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 2: And I know I'm a gospartist, so this is maybe 413 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 2: a different you know, something that other artists may don't 414 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 2: have to worry about. But but God really had to 415 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 2: distinguish in the moment, whether I was leading, following him 416 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 2: or following people like as far as like working the 417 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 2: room and stage presence and keeping everybody in it, Like, 418 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 2: was I really like doing this because of you know, 419 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 2: I'm aiming at him, or doing this because I'm trying 420 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 2: to keep them engaged? You know what I'm saying. Like, 421 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 2: it's literally sometimes a distinction that we always have to make. 422 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 2: And again, it's all just about pursuit. It's about finding 423 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 2: where God is today and aiming there exactly. 424 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 1: You know that's so true. And that how have you, 425 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: Like do you do therapy or do you talk to 426 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: someone to kind of help you manage those feelings of it? 427 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 2: Yeah? So I have, First of all, I have I 428 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 2: have my therapist turned coach because because we actually started 429 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 2: to hoop and became friends after way, so he can't 430 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,400 Speaker 2: be my therapist no more, but maybe a life coach. 431 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 2: But yeah, no, I'm saying he's still my life coach, 432 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 2: big brother. And and here's what I did this year. 433 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 2: I May I found like this company that makes these coins, 434 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,679 Speaker 2: and I made a coin and sent it out to 435 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 2: what I call my counsel I dubbed all these you 436 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 2: know people like people that you would know, like a 437 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,679 Speaker 2: Jason Nelson or William McDowell, but then other people that 438 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 2: you might not know, like the dean at my school 439 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,880 Speaker 2: or the you know, uh this passed over there, this 440 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 2: older guy over here, my uncle, and I wanted to 441 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 2: empower them to hm me up when necessary. I want 442 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 2: to let them know that you guys are my counsel. 443 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 2: I'm not doing anything unless I run something by y'all. 444 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 2: Bible says that they're safety in a multitude of council 445 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 2: and I need y'all because I want to be safe. 446 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 2: I don't want to make a whole bunch of risky, 447 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 2: crazy decisions like I'm so. Not only is there like 448 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 2: a straight up licensed therapist within that council, but there 449 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 2: are people who have lived this life and people that 450 00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 2: I respect highly, people that kind of see the end 451 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 2: before I do. They're on the other side of a 452 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 2: lot of these changes and stuff I'm going through, so 453 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 2: they know what They know how my knees are gonna hurt. 454 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 2: They know what arthritis is, you know what I'm saying. 455 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 2: They know how it feels to take two pills a day, 456 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 2: and so I need that perspective sometimes to be like, hey, 457 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,479 Speaker 2: look yo, like my doctor said I need to you know, 458 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 2: I need to drop my cholesterolt here. Yeah, He's like, yeah, 459 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,120 Speaker 2: you better do that because because I was coming out 460 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:36,959 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, or we just be living 461 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 2: without any perspective. And so what I'm really proud of 462 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 2: this year is that I kind of really codify my 463 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:50,239 Speaker 2: own little counsel too. It's like ten guys that have 464 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 2: the permission to yank me off stage if necessary. 465 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: Wow, let's talk about that, because I feel like a 466 00:26:55,840 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 1: lot of men they one. We are like everyone, we 467 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 1: are a result or a sum of the five people 468 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: that we're around the most. And a lot of times 469 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 1: we don't realize the people that we're around are either 470 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 1: hindering us or they're promoting us to like higher levels 471 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: or holding us back. And what was it in you 472 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,360 Speaker 1: that said I need wise counsel. I need these men 473 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 1: because I feel like men need to hear that it's 474 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: okay to have people that can like that you can 475 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 1: talk to and run things by, that'll hold you accountable, 476 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 1: just to make them just better men and like even 477 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,880 Speaker 1: grow wiser. But what was it in you that said, hey, 478 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 1: like this is what I need right now. 479 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,439 Speaker 2: The first thing I thought of. Look, I'm a weirdo. 480 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,120 Speaker 2: So sometimes you ask the questions and I have these visuals. 481 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 2: It reminded me of when we were young bowling, and 482 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 2: for if you were young enough or terrible enough, somebody 483 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,159 Speaker 2: would come up and put the little guardrails. Yes, okay, 484 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,959 Speaker 2: because when you have guardrails, even if you are terrible 485 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 2: the bowling, even if you just bowled a terrible ball, 486 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 2: somehow it works out. Somehow it stays in the lane. 487 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 2: Sometimes you get a strike when you didn't deserve that. 488 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 2: I would have been a gutter ball. And I promise 489 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 2: you if it weren't for guys grace, if it wasn't 490 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 2: for some of the people around me, I would have 491 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 2: had a lot more gutter balls in front of everybody 492 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 2: that turn out to be spares and strikes and turned 493 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 2: out to be very decent. And so for me, like 494 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 2: and for all men, I think that we are so 495 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 2: convinced that everything has to be in our own strength, 496 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 2: you know, with ladies, you know, y'all can kind of 497 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 2: chill around us, and we take that rise to the occasion. Yeah, 498 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 2: you don't even have to think about nothing. I got 499 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 2: I'm going to navigate, I know where we're going. I'll 500 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,719 Speaker 2: drive blah blah. Y'all just chill over there, turn your 501 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 2: brain off. Oh of course. And and honestly, I take 502 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 2: pride in being able to provide that, and most men do. 503 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 2: The problem is if you are always the source of 504 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 2: your own strength, if you are always the strength of 505 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 2: your own life, you are going to run out. You're 506 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 2: just gonna run out. I mean, there's a difference between 507 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 2: you know, one of these light bulbs that are not 508 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 2: connected to electricity and other ones that are connected to electricity. 509 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 2: Can you connect yourself to a larger resource that will 510 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 2: actually kind of keep you where you need to go? 511 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 2: And for men like we gotta know, you still gonna 512 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 2: be the one bowling, but like get some guardriels. You're 513 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 2: still gonna be the one shining. But plug into something, 514 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like it's still going to 515 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 2: it's still gonna come down to you. You still gonna 516 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 2: get the credit that you need. She's still gonna love you, 517 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 2: she just might not realize You're only able to shine 518 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 2: this long because you're plugged up to something. And so 519 00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 2: like that little moment of humility that allows you to 520 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 2: plug into something greater than you. It's normally all that 521 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 2: you need for this next season. 522 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good. The fella said, I heard that. That's 523 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: thank you for sharing, because I feel like more men 524 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: need to hear that it's okay to have your tribe 525 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: and it's okay to step outside of Like, if you 526 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: realize your core group isn't really taking you where you 527 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: want to go, step outside of that and find the right. 528 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 2: People, good group chat is gonna say listen, mankind, I'm 529 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 2: telling you, man, like I started a group chat maybe 530 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 2: like last October, and we still hanging in there like 531 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 2: still you know, talking about anything that comes up, because 532 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 2: sometimes you just need to let it out. You know 533 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Man, we hold a lot. And I'm 534 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 2: telling you because if because we know that if we 535 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 2: say it the way we feel it, it's gonna come 536 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 2: off violent, it's gonna come off aggressive, it's gonna hurt somebody. 537 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 2: So you just sometimes need just to outlet even just 538 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 2: for that, just to get the bad out that you know, 539 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 2: and it's not gonna hur anybody. And so, like you know, 540 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 2: I definitely am part of the movement that says men 541 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 2: we need some more help, We need some other connections. 542 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 2: It can't just be her like that can't be the 543 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,959 Speaker 2: only connection we got. Because she got ten friends, she 544 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 2: can go on vacation with just them. We be like, 545 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 2: we ain't got nobody to talk to you for real. 546 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 2: And so I just believe that this generation, maybe through 547 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 2: the group chat is today's men are becoming more communical, communal, 548 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 2: and that's going to be a great thing for everybody. 549 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 1: I love that. I want to talk about your latest album, 550 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 1: live recorded album in your hometown Chicago. Tell me about that. 551 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 2: Man, it was a movie. So we did it in 552 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 2: July last summer, and man, I had such a good time. 553 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 2: I want my little leather jacket, the snake skin, whatever 554 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 2: that thing is, and we had a really amazing time. 555 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 2: Hopefully people have already heard the first single that came 556 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 2: out still it was nominated for Grammy this past past February, 557 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 2: and we had a great time doing it and I 558 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 2: really came wait for everybody here. It's a lot of 559 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 2: new vibes, a lot of different vibes. It's you know, 560 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 2: it's upbeat. I know people are used to meet on 561 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 2: the guitar artist, you know what I'm saying, but like, 562 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 2: you know, just imagine the ease, but just even bigger. 563 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 2: I have let your guitar, you know what I'm saying. 564 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 2: I got a little solo and everything. So I'm really man, 565 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 2: it was fun and I think that it's appropriate for this. 566 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: Season absolutely, So can you give us, like the backstory 567 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: to the album, the creative process and what made you 568 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: say I want to do this and I want to 569 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 1: do it live? Yeah? 570 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 2: Man, well, you know I think that one. Like lyrically, 571 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 2: I was just at a place where, you know, I 572 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 2: tell everybody, we are always striving for bigger and better. 573 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. We always want to do 574 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 2: as an artist. You don't never want to go smaller 575 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 2: than the last album. You never want less success than 576 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 2: the last album. You always look in the bigger And 577 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 2: if you're anybody like me, like you're always trying to improve, 578 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 2: you know you're trying you asking your ex, hey, so 579 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 2: what did I do wrong so you can go fix that? 580 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, what you're asking your boss 581 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 2: how did I do that? So you can fix that? 582 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 2: But always trying to be better as well. But in 583 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 2: this season, God, I feel like was really just calling 584 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 2: me closer, like so you can hear me, so you 585 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 2: can know the real me, you know what I'm saying, 586 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 2: The real the real Jesus, the real Father, not just 587 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 2: the one, not the not the fake one that you 588 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 2: hear all over the place. And you know has a 589 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 2: weird that that that guy's weird. I don't know, he 590 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 2: changes with whoever's talking, but the real me and really 591 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 2: find the confidence and the status. Remember I keep talking 592 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 2: about status, you know, finding the status somebody who did 593 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 2: not have the most robust relationship with their father. It's 594 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 2: hard for me to know how to operate like a son. 595 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,719 Speaker 2: But in this moment, man, I feel more like, yo, 596 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 2: dad says, I can go in refrigerator whenever I need it. 597 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:15,800 Speaker 2: I can go to the pantry, so I don't have 598 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 2: to pray for peace and pray for joy. I have 599 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,279 Speaker 2: access to it. If that's your dad. And so like 600 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 2: learning how to just accept that status and that relationship 601 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 2: and like really believe it more than he's just like 602 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 2: this big, terrible, far away god. No, he's like you 603 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:39,280 Speaker 2: can get close and so on. That's the whole point. 604 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 2: And so yeah, that's lyrically kind of where we were 605 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 2: going now as far as the sound. I legit just 606 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 2: woke up one day and was like line Richie. I 607 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 2: don't know but one line of two line of Richie songs. 608 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 2: But I just woke up with a desire to study 609 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 2: the eighties MJ LI know, you know, early with all 610 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 2: that stuff and so and yeah what came out. I 611 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 2: really had a good time. So I think you'll enjoy it. 612 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:09,880 Speaker 1: I'm excited. 613 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 2: I'm excited. 614 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:15,360 Speaker 1: Do you ever wrestle with the pressure from being inspirational 615 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 1: and also just being honest, because I know as a 616 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,359 Speaker 1: gospel artist, everything is inspirational, but sometimes, like I feel 617 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:22,759 Speaker 1: like in cycles you were just like I'm just about 618 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:23,439 Speaker 1: to put it out there. 619 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,439 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I got a few songs, and I'm like, man, 620 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,799 Speaker 2: y'all love me, y'all let me put this out. 621 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 1: They let me get away with this. 622 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, I'll say this, A lot of 623 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,280 Speaker 2: honesty is inspirational by myself. 624 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,439 Speaker 1: That's true because I think it lets us know, like, wait, 625 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,239 Speaker 1: you feel the same way, yeah, because a lot of 626 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 1: us feel the same way. 627 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 2: We're just scared to say for sure. Yeah, you know, 628 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:53,719 Speaker 2: I tell everybody, Man, if you google like the weirdest symptom, 629 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,959 Speaker 2: like my my my my pinky. 630 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 1: Toe is turning blue, like right now, that's why. 631 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 2: That's how you know my knee the left part of 632 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,799 Speaker 2: my right knee is it feels tingling whatever. When you 633 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 2: type that into Google, not only will Google finish it out, 634 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,279 Speaker 2: but you'll have thousands of search results from all these 635 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,360 Speaker 2: people that also felt the same way. So I've always 636 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,120 Speaker 2: gone that way when it comes to songwriters. Even the 637 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 2: most specific thing about you is going to free somebody else. 638 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 2: Your honesty is inspiring, and then of course I'm going 639 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,759 Speaker 2: to point to the real big answer at the end 640 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,920 Speaker 2: that this is all for God's glory. The relationship will 641 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:37,279 Speaker 2: help with all of this. Man, I, to me, I 642 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 2: don't have to choose between inspiring and honesty because to me, 643 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,759 Speaker 2: only honest things are inspiring. 644 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:49,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. That's amazing. In closing, I want 645 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 1: to ask you, can you share a word or a 646 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,280 Speaker 1: prayer or a reminder because we talked about being seen 647 00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:00,160 Speaker 1: for someone who feels unseen or unheard today. 648 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:05,400 Speaker 2: Mm hm as a as a God's as I'm supposed 649 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:06,800 Speaker 2: to just be having these things off the top of 650 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 2: my head. 651 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 1: But yeah, okay, say for your own truth, and. 652 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:21,680 Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I think I would want everybody to know 653 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 2: that God has a lot of capacity for us. I 654 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,920 Speaker 2: think capacity is the word that keeps popping in my head. 655 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,759 Speaker 2: I remember when I was young, I would be real 656 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,920 Speaker 2: smart a look to people. I'd be like, I'll be 657 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,840 Speaker 2: telling them stuff you don't you don't know that, you 658 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 2: don't know what you're talking about. You know what I'm saying. 659 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,839 Speaker 2: And that's my third grade teacher. I gotta I gotta 660 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:55,480 Speaker 2: d that year in behavior. Uh, not from fighting nobody, 661 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,440 Speaker 2: just being smart at yah, but you know, like, but 662 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 2: I realized I was really just testing to see which 663 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,600 Speaker 2: one of these adults around me had capacity enough for me. 664 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 2: Because I knew I was smart. I knew had a 665 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 2: lot of thoughts. Which one of y'all is smart enough 666 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,279 Speaker 2: that I can relax, that I can rest. Which one 667 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 2: of y'all is smart enough? Fellas were always thinking about 668 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,759 Speaker 2: which situation is strong enough that I could actually take 669 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,880 Speaker 2: off my cape at the end of the day. I 670 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 2: want you to know that right now, God has the 671 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:34,680 Speaker 2: capacity for you, all of you. You don't have matter 672 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 2: of fact, you can be smarter like with God right 673 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,680 Speaker 2: now if you like, go ahead, give him your best shot. 674 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,239 Speaker 2: Even if Church did not have enough capacity for you. 675 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 2: The way you are, the way you express yourself, the 676 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 2: way you look, the way you come off, the way 677 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 2: you think God does. And I'm not saying that he 678 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,600 Speaker 2: loves you. Know he's gonna leave it as is, but 679 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,359 Speaker 2: I will say the way that you are, you can 680 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,040 Speaker 2: go to him with the raw stuff, with the messed 681 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,440 Speaker 2: up stuff, the good, the bad, and the ugly, and 682 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,640 Speaker 2: he can take it. He ain't afraid of you, right, 683 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:15,480 Speaker 2: and please exercise that right, that access to go to 684 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:21,480 Speaker 2: him boldly, come boldly before the throne and let him 685 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,239 Speaker 2: know who you are, where you are. You'll find out 686 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:25,240 Speaker 2: he already knew anyway. 687 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 1: Listen, every single time. That is so good. I needed that, 688 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,080 Speaker 1: so thank you. Okay, So our theme this season is unapologetic. 689 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,160 Speaker 1: What is one thing that you are unapologetic for in 690 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:37,680 Speaker 1: this season? 691 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,520 Speaker 2: All right? So you gotta know my context. You gotta 692 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,000 Speaker 2: know that sometimes my self confidence ain't as hoigh it 693 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:49,359 Speaker 2: should be, really, but this year I'm unapologetically good. Come on, 694 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:54,000 Speaker 2: come on, man, I'm unapologetically competent. I'm unapologetically ready for 695 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:59,560 Speaker 2: every stage, every room. I'm unapologetically good. I love that, 696 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,319 Speaker 2: and uh, I ain't gonna keep second with my second guests, 697 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:04,240 Speaker 2: with myself period. 698 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:05,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that's right. 699 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:06,200 Speaker 2: Thank you. 700 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 1: I love that. That's good. Thank you so much, Jonathan. 701 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,840 Speaker 1: I appreciate you for coming by. Let the fans and 702 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:14,759 Speaker 1: where I can follow you and if there's anything else 703 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,000 Speaker 1: that we miss that we can support you on. I'm 704 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,919 Speaker 1: telling you the kids, family, they're ride adized, they're gonna 705 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,480 Speaker 1: jump behind you, We're gonna push you on. But yeah, 706 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,440 Speaker 1: there's anything else that you want to let us know 707 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,440 Speaker 1: that you have going on so we can support sure. 708 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,600 Speaker 2: No, I appreciate y'all. I appreciate you. I'm a big 709 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,480 Speaker 2: fan of you, how you care yourself, how you represent 710 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,480 Speaker 2: the you know, all the different communities that you represent, 711 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:39,680 Speaker 2: including of course the faith community. So I thank you, 712 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,759 Speaker 2: and it's an honor, thank you. This is a big 713 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:43,240 Speaker 2: day to meet you in real life. 714 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,480 Speaker 1: Oh, thank you. So yeah. 715 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,160 Speaker 2: But you can always go to my website Jonath mcgonnold's 716 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,480 Speaker 2: dot com. I'm on Instagram like every other millennium in 717 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,319 Speaker 2: the world, like at j O N. McReynolds. That's the 718 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:59,920 Speaker 2: hub for real TikTok, at John mcgrenold's talk, Facebook all 719 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,600 Speaker 2: that stuff, and so look out for my new albums 720 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 2: coming out three twenty seven. It's called Closer. It'll be 721 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,640 Speaker 2: everywhere that you listen to music. There's a couple of 722 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,720 Speaker 2: videos already up on youtubes. Go check that out. Yes, 723 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,799 Speaker 2: and if you are about a year late, but check 724 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,960 Speaker 2: out my book before you climb any higher as well. 725 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,279 Speaker 2: I think that it has something to say to a 726 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,360 Speaker 2: lot of people, no matter where you are in your client. 727 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,600 Speaker 1: I love it. We'll add that to my unofficial book club. 728 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:26,239 Speaker 1: I love it. 729 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:26,960 Speaker 2: That's what's up. 730 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,920 Speaker 1: We need to make that official. But I'm always posting 731 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:32,759 Speaker 1: what I'm reading and then the girls to go by it. 732 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:34,680 Speaker 1: So yeah, we'll do that. 733 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,399 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Thank you. I appreciate it absolutely. 734 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:38,560 Speaker 2: This is awesome. 735 00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,320 Speaker 1: This conversation is a reminder that faith doesn't have to 736 00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,800 Speaker 1: be perfect to be real. It just has to be honest. 737 00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,800 Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for tuning into another episode 738 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,279 Speaker 1: of the Keep It Positive Sweetish Show. Don't forget to 739 00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,680 Speaker 1: download the season ten Kit's Reflection Guide to store all 740 00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,960 Speaker 1: the gems that were dropped today for free at www 741 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,919 Speaker 1: dot chrisorne Haslet dot com. Be sure to subscribe, share 742 00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,360 Speaker 1: this episode with someone who needs it, and if you 743 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,839 Speaker 1: need advice, positivity or a question with something you're going through. 744 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,600 Speaker 1: Please email us at Keep it Positive Outcomes at gmail 745 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:18,680 Speaker 1: dot com. As always, stay blessed, staying curves, and keep 746 00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,880 Speaker 1: it positive. Sweety, I'll see you all next time.