WEBVTT - Episode 178 w/ Rap Radar (Elliot Wilson & Brian "B.Dot" Miller) 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:16.920 And his Drink Chess motherfucking podcast. He's a legendary Queen's rappers. 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:19.239 He's like, is your boy in o R. He's a 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:23.200 Miami hip hop pioneer. D J e f N. Together 0:00:23.400 --> 0:00:26.320 they drinking up with some of the biggest players in 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:30.960 the most professional, unprofessional podcast and yet number one sorts 0:00:30.960 --> 0:00:34.760 for drunk fast drinks. Motherfucks New year' z. That's like, 0:00:34.960 --> 0:00:45.560 it's time for drink champ trick up? Motherfuck? Would it good? 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:47.200 Be hoping he would have? Should be? This is your boy? 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:50.080 And oh what up is d j e FN? This 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:55.240 real taming crazy wall motherfucking y'all. I don't know what 0:00:55.280 --> 0:01:02.440 I say now. When it comes to journalists, these two 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:06.200 brothers right here are the forefront of it. One brother 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:07.880 is a goal to other brothers on his way to 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:11.600 be a goal. One brother has been in every magazine 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:15.040 from EGO, Trip to Vibe to x Excel to the Source. 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:18.600 The other brother has just landed a multile monkey foot 0:01:18.680 --> 0:01:23.600 job at MTV and he's pushing the culture. These brothers 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:27.680 got together. They formed website that was backed by eminem 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:32.680 and was one of the greatest. Then they formed their podcast, 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:34.840 Coming and they brought it over with Hove and they 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:37.640 backed by Tile. Right now, when it comes to journalists, 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:39.960 you come to the people that's gonna brought the forefront 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:42.640 of our culture on their back. These two brothers are here. 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:45.440 We was down with him on CBS and now we're 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:51.320 down with them the case you don't know, and we 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:53.640 were talking about we're talking about motherfucking being down all 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:02.960 for both of you guys. Thank thank you, thank you 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:06.680 both for both of you guys. This isn't no problem. 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:14.080 But this isn't no no, no people. I've been focused 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:17.560 later because but now, this is not an overnight thing 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:19.400 for y'all. Like a lot of people might see you 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:24.799 bet on uh MTV or see you know, Elliott on 0:02:24.840 --> 0:02:28.280 the Crown episode and see he pulled off for Nicki Minaja, 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:31.280 see pulled off for Ross and people thinking that this is, like, 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:33.239 you know, just some overnight thing. I want to I 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:35.440 want to describe it from the beginning for both of y'all, 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:37.480 you know, whichever way you want to take it, from 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:39.560 the beginning, how did you fall in love with hip 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:42.840 hop and get involved with journalist? You know from Queen's right. 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:46.000 So it's always been part of been part of where 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:48.400 we at you know what I'm saying. So I just 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:51.480 fell in love with listening to people like yourself, not 0:02:51.800 --> 0:03:01.120 that good agree man, agreeing, listening to the greats. And 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:02.959 when I went to college, I realized I get a 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:06.400 check off of it to Delaware State University. I remember 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:09.240 you performed it. I never say that. I'm just about 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:13.560 to say this performing And he was like, YO, say 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:19.960 it's hot, jail get it. I definitely remember that. The 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:25.720 girls are easy out. You're married now, so so how 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:27.800 about you, um um Elliott, You've been a little bit 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:30.120 more season in the game. Same thing. Growing up in 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:32.880 Queen Run dmc L like those were like the blueprint, like, 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:35.840 you know, loving hip hop and then you know, probably 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:37.720 first seeing the source that you could like have a 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:40.480 magazine it then the first time you wanted to like 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:43.880 because you know, because because being a fan of the culture, 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:46.360 and because you know, a lot of people can watch basketball. 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:48.760 There's not a lot of people who can cover basketball, 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:50.520 you know what I'm saying. So you know what started 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:52.160 was sports with me. My father wanted me to be 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:54.200 a baseball player because he want his dream was to 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:57.280 play baseball, So he actually wanted to name me Roberto Clemente. 0:03:57.680 --> 0:04:06.400 You could have been Roberto you know this black and 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:10.000 my mom is Ecuadorian and green, just like he said 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:14.760 Wilson Junior like I was some Franks. And so I 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:16.800 grew up playing sports, a lot of baseball growing up. 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:18.200 And then by the time I got fifteen sixty, and 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:20.160 I was like, I'm not good enough to like go pro, 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:23.320 Like I'm good, but I ain't outstanding and ship. Um. 0:04:23.360 --> 0:04:26.320 So I looked at sports writing, remember like going wonder Wolf, 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:29.479 Let's go to the video tape and how yeah, okay. 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:31.160 I I got attracted to that. I was like, oh, 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:32.719 maybe I could do that, could be a sports report. 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:35.000 I could be a sports writer. Um. And then when 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:37.560 you know, I started losing more interest in sports. The 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:40.359 music and seeing that the music could be documented, you know, 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:42.039 just excited me. And I was like that really was 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:44.320 my only career go, I tell you only. My first 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:46.360 career goal was to be music out of the source. 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:48.040 Well I wanted to be I wanted to get all 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:50.720 the albums before anybody else got the albums, and I 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:53.200 wanted to give the mics out. That's my only dream. 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:56.159 So the source was so the source was already five 0:04:56.279 --> 0:05:01.240 topping prior to you. Yes, okay, I didn't, but they were. 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:03.240 They weren't as big as I thought they were. But 0:05:03.640 --> 0:05:05.200 at the time, because I had Ego Trip, I had 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:08.320 an independent thing going on with r Jenkings. Yeah, so 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:11.080 we didn't we thought the source. Once they got national, 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:13.200 they were so far ahead, you know, and I was 0:05:13.279 --> 0:05:15.120 And again I just fell in love, I thought, because 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:16.839 it was the first like I want again. I wanted 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:19.640 that position. I saw Reginald C. Dennis with the shades 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:22.159 and like the whole thing of like getting access to 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:23.800 the music. That's the only thing about the streaming era. 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:26.599 All fans not get all this access to the music 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:30.919 whatever DSP they signed up to. And you know, like 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:33.040 Nory I got you remember when your album was rolling out, 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:35.200 your album, so album they sent like a four tracks. 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:40.719 So I hadn't even before that because I was just 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:43.240 sent it to the lab, to the pub. But this 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:45.920 department sending to the magazine. So at n RV, I 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:48.320 think I had Body of the Trunk, I believe. So 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:50.400 I had Body of the Trunk, had super Dog. Yeah, 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:54.040 this is amazing, Like this is like Noriy like like 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:56.080 so that's what you did, Like you got the media 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:58.440 to be that the thing I learned with the media. 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:01.200 You would get the advanced cassette the artists before they 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:04.000 roll out to get under set. And then with I 0:06:04.080 --> 0:06:05.640 used to I used to yeah, I used to lie 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:07.800 to say I was a DJ to get the vinyl. 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:09.440 I remember I was at the record store and I 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:12.520 wanted to buy the reminisce over you. It's like two 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:16.200 and he Smooth. Yeah, this guy was called himself Seeing 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:19.000 Smooth at Rock and Soul Records wouldn't sell me the record, 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:20.800 and I was like, y'all want to buy the records. 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:22.159 I know it's a white label. I'm like what then 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:25.080 everybody label yeah, but they were saving the white label 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:28.040 for like Clark Kent, like DJ. So it cut my 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:34.760 hand just figuring out label. It was that and the 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:39.599 fake in the Funk remix. So I lied and said 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:44.040 I was a DJ, one of the Guide community. So 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:45.920 I used to put and when I went to was 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:48.159 in my thing. It was like like I was like, 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:49.640 don't send me the record. I'm gonna go pick up 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:51.080 the record. So I would go up to the labels 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:52.440 like don't say it to me. I don't get my ship, 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:54.520 but steal my male. So I'll go up to the labels, 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:57.400 and I want to lecture records to get the reminisce 0:06:57.400 --> 0:07:00.240 over you twelve inch And the college prone guy was 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:02.520 a guy named Fred Jackson, and Fred Jackson had a 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:05.200 book of all the contacts at every label. I was like, 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:06.640 this is like a kid that kid saw. I'm gonna 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:08.640 get all these records. I'm calling like Eric Shelton and 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:11.320 all those guys, like all these old promo guys. So yeah, 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:13.080 just just the love of the music, just getting my 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:15.840 hands on it, getting getting access to the content. The 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:19.280 labels had the power, like the content was there, right, 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:21.320 so the gate keeper, they were the gate keeper. They 0:07:21.400 --> 0:07:24.559 control the content. Now the content goes direct from artists 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:26.840 to the consumer. So how crazy it is it for 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:29.920 both of you guys. You know, um, it's your it's 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:32.320 your job to actually interview the new guys, right. I 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:34.840 don't want to interview the new guys. I hate him, Right, 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:37.880 I've just got a whole argument about Yeah, yeah, we 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:40.640 went into the whole thing about because I just feel 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:42.480 like they're not season yet. Like in order for me 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:44.520 to speak to you, I have to be able to 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:46.720 indulge with you. Most of these guys are on leading 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:49.400 on and on and they give you that one word answer. 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:51.880 I was on that side of the offence, and I 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:54.600 know that one more answer me might I might not 0:07:54.640 --> 0:07:58.360 be working with you what I'm saying. So it's to 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:00.679 be fair, it's not all of them. It's not all 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:02.280 of them. It's definitely not all of them. There's there's 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:04.040 some greats out there, but I would like them to 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:07.400 be great before they performed on my platform. But how 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:10.320 hard is it for you guys when you sit down 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:12.720 with a new artist and you see them come late 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:17.600 or cancel? Oh okay, okay, okay, okay. What you've got 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:19.520 hard stories that you're willing to tell us about you? 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:25.200 Of the artists right to the d in Canada, we 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:27.200 didn't talk about this publicly. We actually talked about it 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:30.720 um private setting that wasn't on a camera, right, But 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:33.320 that's the first time we ever talked about it. Last 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:35.920 year we had Drake booked. It was at the height 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:38.600 of the beef and we went out to the Meek 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:42.640 push your teeth. We're just talking about cool, cool things 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:46.760 happened until they happened. It was Scorpion right before Scorpion 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:49.000 and just dropped or just drop. Yeah, that's Okay. So 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:51.559 we went out to Canada. You know, we went to 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:54.120 l A. Okay. It was almost like secret mission. We 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:56.800 ain't tell nobody, Like we booked the Getting Museum out 0:08:56.840 --> 0:08:59.240 in Mallible I think it is. It's like some real fans, 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:05.160 a big retainer right right out there. And we were 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:07.080 supposed to do it on the Sunday, like around five 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:10.120 o'clock or whatever. I get an email from this guy Elliott. 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:13.080 It's not happening. I'm like me, like, at four o'clock, 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:18.240 let who was the CBS. I had them all excited, 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:20.280 it's my man's name. Who was the wife burning car? 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:22.840 He was like, he was like, yo, he's doing because 0:09:22.880 --> 0:09:24.839 it was basically stalked him the first time. This is 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:26.840 the second time. He canceled him the second time. First 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:29.480 time was the CBS. He was ready to do it 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:31.640 the same thing twenty five hours notes. So we had 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:33.760 a little planning out because he was doing SNL that Saturday, 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:35.120 so we knew he was in New York all week. 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:37.559 We just had to get him from fucking SNL to 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:39.480 that CBS spot. You know how close that ship is, 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:45.680 Like we're gonna, yeah, this story amountable, So I'm gonna 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:47.800 go back first. This is the first time he canceled. 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:50.240 Take it back, Yeah, of course, and already for the 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:52.800 late night thing, and he canceled last minute. He said. 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:54.599 He sent me a note that morning like I was 0:09:54.640 --> 0:09:56.360 a girl like it was like a break up text, 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:59.560 break up text like he's like. He was like, Yo, 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:02.160 this is gonna hurt you, but you know you think 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:06.280 about it, It's gonna be the right decision. Comfortable doing 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:09.120 this yet you know, I was like, funk, like this guy, 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:11.520 and I had Bryan Coston those guys ready, you're gonna 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:13.880 take it like a ten PM the CBS things. Everybody's 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:16.440 so you cancel twenty hours. So when we got this one, 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:21.120 I thought, okay, he said five minutes prior the same day, 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:24.040 the day before going back to Malibu. What happened is 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:26.559 but b I didn't know is we were doing. We 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:28.719 were dealing direct with Drakes. I was like, Okay, we're 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:32.320 gonna get it like bhin thing Um and the Future 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:35.160 the Prince found out his manager. So Future sents me 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:37.120 down to something like real like and you know what's funny, 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:39.400 like I would say, like the new generation of managers 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:42.960 like him and him with you know, we come from 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:46.319 that Roddy era where everybody's like gatested you. Maybe he 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:48.120 was so smooth. We'd have a nice little lunch he's 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:49.800 talking to me about. I was like Gage, like, does 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:51.680 he know I'm about to do Drake tomorrow? I can't 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:53.920 get And then finally like, yeah, I gotta pull Drake 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:55.640 out of the thing. I gotta pull Drake out of 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:57.520 the thing. And you know the thing is with the 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:00.120 Apple deal, which I don't think it's it's now had 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:04.720 to do and you know, it was like they were 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:06.079 gonna step out and do it, but it would have 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:09.480 piste off the situation and up there situation. So basically, 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:11.679 Drake is probably our biggest thing where he's canceled on 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:15.600 us with twenty four hours. Noticed twice that hurt Man 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:17.920 and the getting ship. That was like we had the 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:21.040 whole works, and it was to Canada, you know, like 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:23.679 we said that wasn't planning on because we were going 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:26.199 back and forth with him about locations. Miami was a 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:29.679 location you just go to Obio Fest. He went, okay, 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:32.079 both for y'all, Yeah, we didn't get the interview with 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:33.800 that though we knew weren't gonna get it yet. But 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:35.280 and then he end doing the shop, he get to 0:11:35.320 --> 0:11:36.920 get the content to the shop. When he did the 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:41.880 lebron right when that came out, we were we were 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:45.080 highly set. I mean, I mean, I know people that's 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:47.480 close to him that he's a fan of our show, 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:52.680 and he'll never do it. You know what's honestly, sometimes 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:56.199 that's honestly the most um how do you call it? 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:59.920 It's sometimes it's the most complimentary because I would robbing 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:01.640 you tell me not you don't want to do the show, 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:03.720 then come do my show and then tell me. Don't 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:07.280 ask me that did it right now? Well I wasn't 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:10.560 see that. Well, no, I'm gonna be honest. I wnna 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:15.560 be honest. That was after But this is the first 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:17.960 day we squads to be like like, I mean, because 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:20.600 we had already had spoke. We had never seen each other. 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:26.760 We seen each other at Club Live. No, that doesn't 0:12:26.800 --> 0:12:32.000 exist when I've seen him in club Live. Um, I 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:34.920 think this is when Drink Champs had just started, right, 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:39.120 But at the time I was actually filming my food show. 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:41.840 So when I said with something, I was like, yeah, man, 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:43.760 I need you on my show. And he was like yeah, 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:45.520 the ship right, And I was like yeah, and I'm 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:47.440 doing the food show and I just remember him looking 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:50.120 at me like, what the fun is he doing? Like 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:52.559 he just looked at me like my man is out 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:58.559 here lost, but it's okay, so um uh. Then after that, 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:01.400 that's when Drink Champs had actually got our shot. Then 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:04.120 we went to him and he had opening the Sweet 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:06.360 Chick right when we went. Accidentally, it was after we 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:09.000 recorded that thing with Onyx or Dame Dash or something. 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:10.880 No it was Onyx. It was was it back to 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:12.880 back that No? No, yeah, it was on it, And 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:14.600 then we went to Sweet Chick and then we went 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:16.959 to Sweet Chick. Yeah, and then he and then he 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:20.400 promied he was he knew what the engineer was, so 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:22.320 I want you know what the engineer was. I'm like, oh, 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:24.760 this guy's watching. You know what I'm saying, because you can, 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:27.559 you can anybody could look and say, all right, you know, 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:30.360 all right, see these certain people, the people in the background. 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:32.959 And to tell you the truth, I don't want to 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:34.559 say I thought he was lying. I just thought he was, 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:37.320 you know, just giving me the the industry ship until 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:39.640 he said, y'all, I know who he is, but know 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:42.160 who it is. And I was like, damn, okay, was genuine. 0:13:42.200 --> 0:13:44.640 It was. It was just it's just like grass once 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:51.439 you finally deliver. Yeah, because yeah, you can phone to 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:53.760 the ball you guys, and let me just tell you something. 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:55.080 Let me just tell you some Let me be honest. 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:57.199 Let me just address a situation because a lot of 0:13:57.240 --> 0:14:00.679 people critique me about not asking him about Jake. Just right, 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:03.040 all right, let me just tell you guys something because 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:05.000 I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:06.839 the E got the episode is coming out prior to 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:09.280 this or after this. But I just did a whole 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:12.400 two hour interview with Gotti. You know how many questions 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:16.079 I asked? Zero zero because it's not funny to me. 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:19.160 That time ain't funny to me. The situation is funny 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:21.880 to me. I don't want to throw gas on anything 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:24.520 that's already burning. If anything, let me throw some water 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:26.240 on and if I could throw warter on this making 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:29.240 it go more, I'm not even throw water on it. 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:31.840 So you know what, I just let the ship go. 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:34.120 You even trying to go there, I was like, because 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:39.160 you know, my brother put my head down, did something. 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:41.640 I think we just we just turned it because like 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:44.760 like to tell you the too, how what more can 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:46.280 you get from me from the Jay's story that you 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:48.760 can get from anybody else, Like like he's told it 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:51.040 so many times. Jay has told us so many times 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:53.640 their brothers is on a great and a great accordingance 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:56.800 with each other. Why would I even know something like that? 0:14:56.840 --> 0:15:00.600 Why would I tell people? How you looking like the 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:03.960 Drake Push or even um drinking Meek, Like somebody may 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:05.560 lose a battle and used to think that you lost 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:08.360 a battle was done, but now we're seeing that's not 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:11.960 the wrong. Like people level up in different ways, like 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:14.200 cow Meeks leveled up. Look, how you know Drake lost 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:16.240 the battle of Pushing, but Drake had a phenomenal year 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:18.560 run the summer and that Kiki and all that ship 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:20.640 in my feelings and all that, Like, so who's the 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:23.320 real winner? Now? I definitely got one, And I definitely 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:25.840 didn't want to reiterate that situation with him, Like, also, 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:28.040 you ain't got new information to it, then what's the point? 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:32.360 Definitely I definitely didn't. I definitely don't. And I love 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:35.800 the fact that I was able to do businesses. That's 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:41.720 crazy what the time saying like I couldn't because we 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:45.680 sat there and obviously went to a Big Dinner, Happy Birthday, Biggs. 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:48.720 It was bigg dinner, and I've seen puffing and Jay talking, 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:51.200 and I was like, you know what, I'm kind of 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:54.880 gonna make these guys live live, like you guys are 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:57.440 saying black Excellent. And the thing is titled like for 0:15:57.480 --> 0:15:59.360 those who don't know, jay Z is really out here 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:03.040 living this. Actually don't want to own your material for 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:07.640 a couple of days and then yeah, that's still to me, 0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:09.840 like anybody, because you know, a lot of people could 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:12.280 teach us um like like, you know, we could have 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:19.160 went to these big we could have went to a 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:21.960 couple of different places. And I said, you know what 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:25.520 it's really is about ownership at this, especially what I've 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:28.080 been through with the record industry. For me to go 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:29.800 through that in the podcast, I would just be the 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:32.000 stupidest man in the world. So I had to take 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:38.480 it to Silverman. I have no idea, you know, yeah, man, 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:40.480 because he's not giving the thing about this this I 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:42.480 don't know this situation. But the thing about is this. 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:45.600 I think Daylight Soul will be happy splitting fifty percent 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:48.480 of their royalties three three different ways. Tom Silman, you 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:52.360 still win still, But for you to do that and 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:54.720 take people and they're not trying to leverage the majority 0:16:56.520 --> 0:17:01.080 at all that so so be that, Um, where did 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:03.200 you land How did you land this MTV get I 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:15.000 don't you know what, It's gonna sound cliche, but I 0:17:15.119 --> 0:17:17.200 just think by doing a good job, that's dope, Like 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:20.000 just by doing the work. Because they reached out to 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:22.560 me and it was like, yo, you know you have credibility. 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:24.800 You know, we've seen your work obviously over the course 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:26.879 of the years, and they just wanted to bring that 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:30.239 established that credibility back to MTV News. So we had 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:32.520 a meeting and me and a couple of suits and 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:35.560 still with epic or no not no. They said it 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:41.000 was a conflict allegedly MTV Man TV is a conflict, 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:43.600 that's what That's what I was told. He was out 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:54.240 hit me too, picked TV. You know that's why that man. Yeah. 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:56.760 But yeah, they reached out and you know the rescient 0:17:56.840 --> 0:17:58.800 history even in since April, so things have been good 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:06.399 so far. Little no access new guys. Yeah, I interview 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:09.560 rock stars, pop guys and stuff like that. So it's different. 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:11.480 You know, I'm happy because it's stepping outside of my 0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:13.439 comfort zone. Like the first time I interviewing a rock 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:15.199 and roll guy and stuff like that. So it's fun. 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:18.840 I want to real quick what I'm just curious, what 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:22.040 is the new like strategy for someone like an MTV 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:25.240 nowadays it's digital digital, you know. It's just like you 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:27.000 know when you're demographic, you know, so so a lot 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:29.920 of the interviews on social media. You know, one interview 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:31.680 might be on YouTube or the other one might be 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:34.240 on Twitter. So just all the just kind of they 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:36.560 got it together now because before all the yea, they 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:38.280 didn't know what to do, right, you know, like we're 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:41.320 trying to focus and bring it credibility back to the music, 0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:43.000 you know what I'm saying. So when you used to 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:46.840 hold that microphone, had an MTV and right, So we're 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:48.520 just trying to bring that kind of energy back to 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:51.159 the game. So that's what we had with it. Oh, 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:59.720 proud of my guy. Proud of me too. I wanted 0:18:59.720 --> 0:19:01.520 to about me and you know, like Max the album 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:05.639 called I Want to Thank Me. That's the norm. So 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:08.320 have you ever picked the artist Elliott and been wrong? 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:11.760 Oh a lot of times? Man, Like a weas talking 0:19:11.760 --> 0:19:13.880 about it's mean that dude, but I always talk about 0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:18.200 Cheney like putting him on the cover, like because the 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:20.680 thing is like I used to be like, you know what, 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:23.800 sometimes I'll be like, well, people look at magazines and 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:25.479 be like, oh, this is a really cool cover they did, 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:28.120 but I know the time in the error, it didn't sell, 0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:30.720 like I had to sell magazines, so O favored niggas 0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:33.440 that putting numbers up. But gold and platinum like that 0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:35.480 was how it was doing. That's that's why he kept 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:37.879 getting the looks because fifty was doing numbers like he 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:40.639 wasn't only just the hottest underground, he was multiplatinum. So 0:19:41.000 --> 0:19:44.760 Cheney's coming off three million with the right there, you know, 0:19:44.880 --> 0:19:47.199 the second album, so he's the biggest whatever. I did 0:19:47.280 --> 0:19:49.240 a cover with him and that that ship just flopped. 0:19:49.560 --> 0:19:51.560 No one bought it and no one bought it. But 0:19:52.440 --> 0:19:55.920 but that was right the same time coming off this 0:19:55.960 --> 0:19:58.280 is what he got cover that's way down the roa 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:03.760 that don't get you a cover coming off the Triple platte, 0:20:04.080 --> 0:20:05.720 that's that was called a break. But yeah, all the time, 0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:07.600 I mean I remember dealing with all the energy of 0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:10.720 like no shots to them but cannabis. Right, he was 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:13.119 slaying the on mixtape scene like and then but he 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:15.160 put out the album of White Clapping, and Ship didn't 0:20:15.200 --> 0:20:16.800 live up to it. You know, a lot of us 0:20:16.880 --> 0:20:18.760 in media were like already hacking him up. So when 0:20:18.800 --> 0:20:20.920 he had to come back and say, nah, this ain't hitting, 0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:23.119 that caused a lot of drama with everything from Blaze 0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:25.520 to all these different magazines. So because we have Xeno 0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:29.480 on here recently, and he said his lowest selling cover 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:34.960 was IRV Gotti. He said, he said, I was the lowest. 0:20:35.240 --> 0:20:37.240 He said that cause I asked him, I said, and 0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:38.639 he said at the time that he was, you know, 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:44.719 representing for John IRV and C. So, um, so, how 0:20:44.760 --> 0:20:47.800 does that really work? Like? Um? When because like I mean, 0:20:47.880 --> 0:20:51.760 you guys really had people's careers in your hand like 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:55.520 you ever you ever gave you guys were gatekeepers as well, 0:20:56.040 --> 0:21:00.240 you ever gave a bad review? And what's wrong about that? Uh? Yeah, 0:21:00.240 --> 0:21:03.240 I'm sure I don't know more Report Game four and 0:21:03.280 --> 0:21:12.280 a half, you know, wen't know we got four? How 0:21:12.359 --> 0:21:15.480 you how you screwed me on the War report. Let's 0:21:15.480 --> 0:21:18.840 talking about it. I had I was actually a tower, 0:21:19.000 --> 0:21:22.320 y'all had like calmed down and Ship you got stuck 0:21:22.359 --> 0:21:24.000 on you. We had a record card stuck on a 0:21:24.040 --> 0:21:26.040 couple of records. Yeah, that we didn't use. We couldn't 0:21:26.040 --> 0:21:28.240 clear the clear sample. That's true. I'm going off the 0:21:28.280 --> 0:21:31.800 advanced cassette's right. He's actually right. The Roy's DUSTI is 0:21:31.880 --> 0:21:36.399 proviolates the whole thing and all prepared like and at 0:21:36.440 --> 0:21:39.159 the time, you know, Carress wanted God so I I got. 0:21:39.359 --> 0:21:41.399 I got next album, which was not one of his 0:21:41.480 --> 0:21:43.840 best albums, so he got to leave review he got 0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:45.760 three and a half and then you see the second 0:21:45.760 --> 0:21:48.159 reviews like seeing that four mix. But but it's like, 0:21:48.200 --> 0:21:50.639 who the fucking seeing that? Because back then people that 0:21:50.720 --> 0:21:53.240 didn't know thought they was like a fake mob. That's true. 0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:56.639 That was that was know like they didn't know, they 0:21:56.640 --> 0:21:58.800 didn't know the people behind it, but theyren't true and 0:21:58.840 --> 0:22:01.760 they hadn't heard enough. That's in the inside of the industry. 0:22:01.800 --> 0:22:03.600 We knew about it. We knew this ship is about 0:22:03.640 --> 0:22:05.800 to change the game, or even in New York per 0:22:05.880 --> 0:22:09.679 se because maybe people yeah, we at least that these 0:22:09.720 --> 0:22:11.359 things about to shake it up in New York. And 0:22:11.440 --> 0:22:14.240 you know, busses on driving seat crazy like it has 0:22:14.400 --> 0:22:16.520 all New York's energy. So we do it. It comes 0:22:16.560 --> 0:22:18.720 out everybody's like, how to fun you disrespect the god 0:22:18.920 --> 0:22:22.880 teaching cameras but TNF and then you'll think it's pussed 0:22:22.880 --> 0:22:25.640 the album back, oh to no album. So I'm out 0:22:25.640 --> 0:22:29.080 here holding the B no album to mix. I'm dangling 0:22:29.160 --> 0:22:32.560 for mix no. You know, actually Dan y'all, Dan y'all 0:22:32.600 --> 0:22:34.600 came back and then you'll added that R and B 0:22:34.720 --> 0:22:38.719 ship the closes were cleared that sample Sam and then 0:22:38.800 --> 0:22:41.199 you'll used the four mix is the ad campaign if 0:22:41.200 --> 0:22:44.399 your campaign, And then it came out later. But I 0:22:44.520 --> 0:22:47.800 was like early just you know, we couldn't clear the sample. 0:22:47.880 --> 0:22:50.640 We us back then, we didn't know that we had 0:22:50.680 --> 0:22:54.760 to clear sample and you know you were penalty. Well well, 0:22:54.800 --> 0:22:56.680 you know, the whole time he was underground doing like 0:22:56.800 --> 0:22:59.719 underground mixtapes, we never thought about clearing sample. So when 0:22:59.760 --> 0:23:02.000 we um and which was you know, I don't want 0:23:02.000 --> 0:23:04.280 to take a shot, but you know, Trashold knew better, 0:23:04.640 --> 0:23:06.240 you know what I'm saying. And the fact not nothing 0:23:06.320 --> 0:23:09.359 to take no no shot at, but the fact that 0:23:09.720 --> 0:23:12.120 when I thought that he thought we wasn't gonna get caught, 0:23:12.440 --> 0:23:14.040 which is like a good way to think of it. 0:23:14.119 --> 0:23:19.639 But then up you know, Sam Cooking and all these 0:23:19.680 --> 0:23:21.920 people that we were sampling they're gonna find out. So 0:23:22.040 --> 0:23:23.240 then we had to go in and we had to 0:23:23.280 --> 0:23:25.000 do it over. But you're absolutely right there. It was 0:23:25.080 --> 0:23:27.119 a record call stuck on you, and it was it 0:23:27.200 --> 0:23:29.560 was actually dope because we had a record call stuck 0:23:29.640 --> 0:23:31.920 on you instead of stick you, and it was like 0:23:32.119 --> 0:23:33.920 it was like a soft record. And you said that 0:23:34.000 --> 0:23:37.440 in the viewew like it was the holy record that 0:23:37.600 --> 0:23:39.240 wasn't good. And I was like, you know what, take 0:23:39.320 --> 0:23:42.280 that ship over, and we take the ship over. So 0:23:42.440 --> 0:23:49.680 it was a report question, OK, no problem all the time, 0:23:49.720 --> 0:23:51.640 but I just wanted to know, like bust on driving, 0:23:51.680 --> 0:23:56.080 see why is he like half on the like, well 0:23:56.240 --> 0:23:58.320 to tell you the truth, Buster and Fat Joe. I 0:23:58.440 --> 0:23:59.960 do not want to say that this is a clearer 0:24:00.000 --> 0:24:03.159 this thing with them. I want to say that they 0:24:03.280 --> 0:24:06.399 were prepared and we had to turn in the album. 0:24:06.800 --> 0:24:12.560 Fat Joe was actually on Channel ten wants to no, no, 0:24:12.600 --> 0:24:16.720 no no. He didn't lay his verse his verse, and 0:24:17.080 --> 0:24:20.040 I forget what happened, and for some reason he never 0:24:20.160 --> 0:24:24.200 laid it. Nabs was on music making let us calm down, um, 0:24:25.160 --> 0:24:28.200 and it didn't clear. That's the reason why he made 0:24:28.240 --> 0:24:33.359 it up to me and did firm album and so 0:24:34.160 --> 0:24:38.080 I'm saying on driving seat bus driving. See, he was 0:24:38.080 --> 0:24:39.960 supposed to be on there. He had knew who Eman 0:24:40.080 --> 0:24:43.200 Thug was. Eman Thug was this real underground only two 0:24:43.200 --> 0:24:45.119 people who knew, not the only two people, but the 0:24:45.200 --> 0:24:48.520 two people those big Emon Thugs fans. Was Mace how 0:24:48.600 --> 0:24:53.840 the fun Dollars become a fan of the most burden Boutervard. 0:24:55.720 --> 0:24:58.720 So it was Mace and Buster. So Buster came in 0:25:01.560 --> 0:25:03.240 and he just spoke on it. He was forced to 0:25:03.320 --> 0:25:05.879 lay a verse. But we just we were so underground 0:25:05.960 --> 0:25:08.600 that we took that we just took was just like yo, 0:25:08.680 --> 0:25:12.000 fuck it and that was that. But that's what you see. 0:25:12.040 --> 0:25:13.840 I was shifted though with your solo career, and like 0:25:14.240 --> 0:25:17.760 everybody that was doubting, seeing then when Nori dropped those 0:25:17.800 --> 0:25:21.040 records and the sampler came out of everybody was like no, 0:25:21.119 --> 0:25:23.720 I was up at the was like I was like, 0:25:23.800 --> 0:25:28.439 oh yea six months ago and then no, he had 0:25:28.480 --> 0:25:30.640 that momentum and then you know, you delivered with that album. 0:25:30.720 --> 0:25:33.040 Ye stink. You stank you so much. So now okay, 0:25:33.080 --> 0:25:36.360 you guys Um, at some point you leave the it's 0:25:36.400 --> 0:25:40.000 more towards you, elliott Um. The sources, the Bible. It's 0:25:40.040 --> 0:25:43.200 the hip hop bix. What happens for you to start 0:25:43.240 --> 0:25:45.680 thinking that you're gonna leave and you're not. You're not 0:25:45.800 --> 0:25:49.879 just leaving. You're going to the the Mets, if you're 0:25:49.920 --> 0:25:52.680 the Yankees, you're going to the opposite. You're going to 0:25:53.560 --> 0:25:56.440 you know what I'm saying, Uh, what is it? The 0:25:56.560 --> 0:26:01.040 Lakers Worth Celtics. Like you're leaving Larry birds as as 0:26:01.080 --> 0:26:05.240 a Celtics and you're going to Magic Johnson and joining 0:26:05.240 --> 0:26:07.640 the Lakers? Like how how did you come up with decision? 0:26:07.720 --> 0:26:11.080 And then how did you execute it? Um? Corrupt had 0:26:11.119 --> 0:26:14.960 a song called five Mics. Uh. So it was like 0:26:15.080 --> 0:26:17.000 the hook was like five mix. They're a kid to 0:26:17.080 --> 0:26:24.200 the store, say Corrupt, hold your cool with Mays and 0:26:24.320 --> 0:26:26.040 like he came off these planes back and five mix. 0:26:26.119 --> 0:26:27.680 I'm like, Oh, it's gonna be some chickers. It's thinking 0:26:29.600 --> 0:26:32.080 so called five mix. Um. So, when his album came out, 0:26:32.119 --> 0:26:33.639 I think it was Corruption or whatever. I didn't like 0:26:33.720 --> 0:26:35.479 the album as much as you know, I'm a fan 0:26:35.520 --> 0:26:38.080 Corrupt though, but the album wasn't it? And I think 0:26:38.160 --> 0:26:40.440 that had that that review and another review. I think 0:26:40.440 --> 0:26:42.639 it was maybe shock or something and the mics I 0:26:42.760 --> 0:26:44.800 had given, they went back and changed the mics and 0:26:44.800 --> 0:26:47.119 didn't tell me. Okay, so usually argue it out with 0:26:47.760 --> 0:26:51.960 zeros and they was the editor at that time doing that. 0:26:53.240 --> 0:26:55.359 But it wasn't his fault day. They may stepped in 0:26:55.440 --> 0:26:58.800 and it was his decision because with them, I don't know, 0:26:59.160 --> 0:27:00.960 maybe they just know it was to be fair. It 0:27:01.000 --> 0:27:02.680 could be because they thought the album was better whatever, 0:27:02.760 --> 0:27:05.040 But I hadn't never had them like go over my 0:27:05.160 --> 0:27:07.560 head and like changed the content because I would, you know, 0:27:07.560 --> 0:27:09.200 I'm real meticulous. I want to sign off on every 0:27:09.240 --> 0:27:13.200 page just like yeah. So I got the issue back 0:27:13.240 --> 0:27:15.880 and they changed everything, and I just called the meeting 0:27:15.960 --> 0:27:18.280 and I was like, you guys don't respect change. Who 0:27:18.320 --> 0:27:22.080 else corrupt? Really was corruption? I was called corruption? And 0:27:22.160 --> 0:27:23.800 you gave him and you gave him two mics. I 0:27:23.840 --> 0:27:25.520 think I gave him like I was gonna give him 0:27:25.520 --> 0:27:26.719 two or two and a half in the gave him 0:27:26.720 --> 0:27:28.840 a free like something small, and then like something else 0:27:28.840 --> 0:27:31.000 got knocked down to like are it's like a half 0:27:31.080 --> 0:27:33.760 mike or whatever, Like I'm young, I'm you know, I'm frustrated, 0:27:33.760 --> 0:27:36.240 and I'm like, course you don't respect me, you know, 0:27:36.280 --> 0:27:37.960 because my dream was like to already do it. It 0:27:38.040 --> 0:27:40.520 was just like I felt the weight of like what 0:27:40.720 --> 0:27:42.800 that means, like fun the industry ship. I was just 0:27:43.080 --> 0:27:45.760 being young, How was he? I was on some industry 0:27:46.160 --> 0:27:48.480 The ning is in the barbershop. Noticed it is trash. 0:27:48.560 --> 0:27:50.639 I gotta represent the people like there was no internet 0:27:50.720 --> 0:27:52.800 to now. Motherfuckers will tell your real time and ship 0:27:52.920 --> 0:27:55.679 is trash. There's no hiding it. But back then, if 0:27:55.720 --> 0:27:57.560 I don't go to whistle and say it's trash, we're 0:27:57.600 --> 0:28:00.200 living a lot. It is hot that we want we 0:28:00.280 --> 0:28:02.440 want to see the locks of space suits. We want 0:28:02.480 --> 0:28:04.680 to see that. We want them to put the the 0:28:04.800 --> 0:28:07.840 gene suit on to get get busy. So I carried 0:28:07.920 --> 0:28:09.760 that weight and that Yeah, I just I just quit 0:28:10.000 --> 0:28:12.280 on some like emotion ship of just feeling like I 0:28:12.400 --> 0:28:15.000 wasn't expected. I didn't feel like I was ever fully embraced. 0:28:15.760 --> 0:28:17.520 I did what I had to do. I didn't but 0:28:17.560 --> 0:28:19.000 I didn't know I was going to double xel. I 0:28:19.040 --> 0:28:22.240 hadn't trip which I had on today. We worked in 0:28:22.280 --> 0:28:24.120 an ego trip book of rapplers. So I jumped myself 0:28:24.200 --> 0:28:26.760 into that and then after doing that put my head 0:28:26.800 --> 0:28:29.240 down and working on that excel holid at me and 0:28:29.280 --> 0:28:30.800 I was like, you know, back then it was like 0:28:30.880 --> 0:28:33.000 the fourth for fit, Like there was rap pages that 0:28:33.080 --> 0:28:36.240 was blazed pages. Yeah, it was like they weren't even 0:28:36.320 --> 0:28:38.000 the third, they were maybe the fit for the four. 0:28:38.400 --> 0:28:44.800 And I was remember so then, yeah, I just I 0:28:44.920 --> 0:28:46.800 wanted a chance to show I could be that during Chiefs, 0:28:46.840 --> 0:28:49.680 I could run the table. So that's that was a 0:28:49.760 --> 0:28:51.880 year later, and that's what. But the thing was when 0:28:51.880 --> 0:28:54.400 I took over ex Excel, I felt like my only 0:28:54.480 --> 0:28:56.960 goal was to was to be the best hip hop magazine. 0:28:57.160 --> 0:28:59.120 And back then it was very raw rock competitive. So 0:28:59.640 --> 0:29:02.320 I from jump that my strategy was gonna be. I 0:29:02.440 --> 0:29:04.320 was gonna bully the source. I was gonna just so, 0:29:04.400 --> 0:29:07.200 are you the one who broke? What's that? The freshman class? 0:29:07.280 --> 0:29:11.600 The freshman class that came later? What started with uh 0:29:11.720 --> 0:29:13.800 this year was Sigon Loupe and like all these guys 0:29:13.800 --> 0:29:15.760 that was enough to have their own cover. But I 0:29:15.800 --> 0:29:17.400 was like, let's get them all together, but it was 0:29:17.520 --> 0:29:20.160 it was played off. Remember we did have Source, like 0:29:21.760 --> 0:29:23.760 all those guys like the ideas, if you don't have 0:29:23.840 --> 0:29:25.640 one guy who's strong enough, get all up, get all 0:29:27.080 --> 0:29:29.160 So that was a blueprint of that. That was I 0:29:29.200 --> 0:29:30.600 looked back at the work I did it the source 0:29:30.640 --> 0:29:32.440 and I'm like, that's an idea I need to flip. 0:29:32.720 --> 0:29:34.960 But then you didn't have a name for that cover 0:29:35.040 --> 0:29:37.800 at the source. No, I credited Juan Thomas. Two years 0:29:37.880 --> 0:29:40.080 later he brought that idea back. He did it with 0:29:40.120 --> 0:29:42.480 Wally and all these rappers that sort of represented like 0:29:42.600 --> 0:29:44.720 the internet blog era. So that's who gave him the 0:29:44.760 --> 0:29:47.680 name freshman. He rebranded a freshman because because that's really 0:29:47.720 --> 0:29:51.640 the main thing that not disrespect no, but right now, 0:29:51.840 --> 0:29:55.400 like you know, that's when you do they waiting for 0:29:55.440 --> 0:29:57.720 the freshman class. Yeah, so my roots in that, my 0:29:57.840 --> 0:29:59.320 rootes are in that. But I did a different way. 0:29:59.360 --> 0:30:01.320 But they went back to that idea and we built 0:30:01.320 --> 0:30:03.040 it and it did adult. It was the dope idea. 0:30:03.520 --> 0:30:05.120 So how did how did you? How do you guys? 0:30:05.520 --> 0:30:07.400 All right, no, no, no, I'm Russian. Let me let 0:30:07.440 --> 0:30:13.480 me let me start here here. Yeah, yeah, I want 0:30:13.520 --> 0:30:15.720 to know where do you think these magazines lived today? 0:30:15.800 --> 0:30:17.880 In this and not damn it's a good one, Like 0:30:17.960 --> 0:30:20.760 do you I know your magazines? It's about your brands. 0:30:22.000 --> 0:30:24.400 You parted into the dot com and doing this stuff, 0:30:24.440 --> 0:30:25.960 Like where do you think this all went like, is 0:30:26.000 --> 0:30:28.600 it is it relevant? It's about having a good brand. 0:30:28.640 --> 0:30:31.440 I think whatever distribution we use when you hear drink chaps, 0:30:31.480 --> 0:30:33.160 do you think that's something we take a wrap raid off? 0:30:33.400 --> 0:30:35.480 It's really about brand, And I think the means of 0:30:35.560 --> 0:30:38.400 distribution don't matter as much, like if you look at 0:30:38.400 --> 0:30:39.920 it now, like even the envy like this end offew 0:30:40.000 --> 0:30:42.280 has to be videotaped. Like back then when I was 0:30:42.320 --> 0:30:44.520 on the stuff, we didn't videotape, and if I did, 0:30:45.000 --> 0:30:47.000 I was the editor. I didn't do all the interviews 0:30:47.040 --> 0:30:48.760 with the big stars. I found a writer that I 0:30:48.840 --> 0:30:50.680 thought would be the best to do those energies. So 0:30:51.040 --> 0:30:53.160 I just think the means of distribution change. The biggest 0:30:53.160 --> 0:30:55.840 thing is about building your brand, building personal brands like 0:30:55.920 --> 0:30:58.360 you know what Brian be got million means will series, 0:30:58.640 --> 0:30:59.840 you know what wrap right on me? You know what 0:31:00.040 --> 0:31:01.640 your fen you know or you know drink champs, Like 0:31:01.920 --> 0:31:04.080 that's what it's about. And I think that sometimes some 0:31:04.240 --> 0:31:06.480 bagages half struggle with that, right because you don't have 0:31:06.520 --> 0:31:08.760 the tangible anymore of that. But that model change. But 0:31:08.880 --> 0:31:10.520 is that you think that's all the way good, that 0:31:10.680 --> 0:31:13.360 everybody has to be a brand, that that the journalists 0:31:13.400 --> 0:31:15.440 aren't kind of you know, someone you don't really know. 0:31:15.560 --> 0:31:18.920 That's just the integrity of the journalist. I'm just saying 0:31:19.400 --> 0:31:22.080 as a question with Supreme, we don't know who Supreme is. 0:31:22.920 --> 0:31:24.520 That's a clothing brand. I think that's different what you're 0:31:24.560 --> 0:31:27.280 talking about scrutinizing. I think I mean before like, we 0:31:27.320 --> 0:31:28.920 didn't get into this to be famous or you know, 0:31:29.040 --> 0:31:30.760 have faces out there. But I think it's just the 0:31:30.800 --> 0:31:32.400 evolution of the business, you know what I mean. It's 0:31:32.440 --> 0:31:33.880 like a DApp die And if you look to your 0:31:33.920 --> 0:31:35.920 left to your right, there's not too many people from 0:31:35.960 --> 0:31:38.440 Elliott's class we've been it's just ninety two that are 0:31:38.480 --> 0:31:40.800 still around doing it at this level. So they didn't 0:31:40.840 --> 0:31:43.440 build their brand most exactly, they didn't survive the evolution 0:31:43.480 --> 0:31:45.200 of word. But there's people like there's a guy Yo 0:31:45.280 --> 0:31:48.400 who works for DJ Booth. He's doing great articles, Joe, 0:31:48.560 --> 0:31:53.160 He's but but Yow writer your Phillips's Yeah, So they're 0:31:53.200 --> 0:31:55.280 not really building themselves as brands, but they're doing great work. 0:31:55.320 --> 0:31:57.320 So I think that's really what it's about. So you 0:31:57.480 --> 0:31:59.760 can't rest on that lowls anymore of like what a 0:32:00.320 --> 0:32:02.640 magazine bram Man in that sense. You gotta do the work. 0:32:02.680 --> 0:32:05.200 You gotta put the working. Goddamn we got notes for 0:32:05.280 --> 0:32:11.040 these niggers and everything. Man she got no man be going. 0:32:11.520 --> 0:32:19.320 It was I think it's like screw face and so 0:32:19.520 --> 0:32:22.760 you know, ironically, this was the place where we know, 0:32:22.920 --> 0:32:29.160 that's not where we started when we started. We started 0:32:29.160 --> 0:32:31.240 the old crazy hood office. No, that's what I'm saying. 0:32:31.280 --> 0:32:34.680 But when we when we like got um like going, 0:32:34.920 --> 0:32:37.840 this was this was it right side. On the other side, 0:32:37.880 --> 0:32:39.160 on the other side, did y'all come up with the 0:32:39.160 --> 0:32:43.680 Elliot Wilson because you know why, it was a joke. 0:32:43.960 --> 0:32:46.720 It was jerious a joke. There was a labs because 0:32:47.000 --> 0:32:50.200 I hate him. I'm doing any other shod You gotta one. 0:32:50.200 --> 0:32:51.800 You gotta do what every one just do one, just 0:32:51.960 --> 0:32:58.960 trash like we need to kill the first first we 0:32:59.040 --> 0:33:06.240 even had to give me that one. Let me just 0:33:06.280 --> 0:33:10.680 tell yourself that people people, people want Damn y'all definitely 0:33:10.680 --> 0:33:13.080 did give me the bigger shot, all right. People definitely 0:33:13.120 --> 0:33:16.239 want to tell y'all. Um, the older that we get 0:33:16.280 --> 0:33:18.400 in this game, the more people want to kick us out. 0:33:18.760 --> 0:33:20.240 And I want to change that in the hip hop. 0:33:20.280 --> 0:33:22.920 I wanna you know, in every other genre of music. 0:33:23.040 --> 0:33:25.160 The more you're in it, the more season you are, 0:33:25.240 --> 0:33:27.680 the more that they pick you up. Our coaches the 0:33:27.760 --> 0:33:29.880 only one you know. They don't even have a washed 0:33:29.920 --> 0:33:32.600 up word in um rock and roll. They don't have 0:33:32.640 --> 0:33:35.160 a word for wash washed. They don't even happen. You know, 0:33:35.240 --> 0:33:37.479 we're the only niggas that use the word washed up. 0:33:37.880 --> 0:33:39.800 And it's over for them. Like you know what I'm 0:33:39.840 --> 0:33:42.040 saying that you'll say right now, he get locked up. 0:33:42.280 --> 0:33:46.600 It's over. It's just we all. We're the only culture. 0:33:46.640 --> 0:33:48.200 And I want to change that. And I want to 0:33:48.400 --> 0:33:50.720 tell y'all whyle y'all live while y'are breathing that what 0:33:50.840 --> 0:33:52.800 y'all doing for the culture. I've been a couple of 0:33:52.880 --> 0:33:56.400 your tactics. I follow y'all, and you know why I 0:33:56.480 --> 0:33:58.360 had you because I know, I know I'm not a journalist, 0:33:58.680 --> 0:34:00.520 so but I did. I try to have to follow 0:34:00.640 --> 0:34:13.359 what y'all doing. Salut and a worse as we keep 0:34:13.400 --> 0:34:16.440 doing it, don't we'll try again. We're trying to. Actually 0:34:17.000 --> 0:34:21.400 I'm not doing that again. Actually, better stop lying people. 0:34:21.480 --> 0:34:27.880 I get it to kill. So what's what's the article 0:34:27.960 --> 0:34:31.359 you did? Go? Because I imagine that first we love 0:34:31.440 --> 0:34:33.880 hip hop. You want to be a part of it, 0:34:33.960 --> 0:34:35.799 and then you be a part of it. But what's 0:34:35.840 --> 0:34:39.800 that one interview of one incident that you did that 0:34:39.880 --> 0:34:42.680 She was like, what's your most proudest moment? Basically, damn 0:34:42.960 --> 0:34:47.279 in the journalist and like magazine, game whatever. Overall, oh Man, 0:34:47.560 --> 0:34:49.560 one of your most proudest at least I think about that, 0:34:49.600 --> 0:34:51.200 And I feel like I haven't done it yet because 0:34:51.280 --> 0:34:55.600 I'm just like to celebrate yesterday's touchdowns. But I feel 0:34:55.680 --> 0:34:58.440 like one of the proudest moments is I think what 0:34:58.600 --> 0:35:01.239 we did together was. I was really proud of the 0:35:01.280 --> 0:35:03.480 first interview we did together on rap right over the 0:35:04.000 --> 0:35:10.880 Bible with Michael Jordan's because that was like first, like 0:35:11.520 --> 0:35:20.160 that crazy let me take let me speak about because 0:35:20.200 --> 0:35:25.880 that's exactly what happened. Something. You know, these brothers over there, 0:35:26.320 --> 0:35:28.680 you might forget. You might forget hanging with one of 0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:30.520 these brothers one of these days, I might forget that. 0:35:30.960 --> 0:35:34.080 I'm never going to forget seeing Michael Jordan's. I'm I'm 0:35:34.200 --> 0:35:36.680 left Bractic City. I see Michael Jordan. I'm gonna remember. 0:35:37.080 --> 0:35:39.600 So when they answered me, I was like, damn, they 0:35:39.719 --> 0:35:41.520 sucked up. But for two minutes. I was like, I 0:35:41.640 --> 0:35:43.680 fucked up because I was like, damn, there's no pictures 0:35:43.719 --> 0:35:46.040 of that ship. And then I got the best fans 0:35:46.080 --> 0:35:48.320 in the world. They fucking showed me this jay Z 0:35:48.480 --> 0:35:51.120 picture because that was the truth, like he really came 0:35:51.239 --> 0:35:53.560 and just fund with Jay and ran. It was a 0:35:53.600 --> 0:35:57.120 Marian carrier. I think it was a Christmas party. Christmas party, 0:35:58.239 --> 0:36:00.920 and the crazy ship was We're all getting money, so 0:36:01.560 --> 0:36:03.759 I'm trying to pay for fourteen other tickets. They're like no, 0:36:03.880 --> 0:36:05.480 I'm trying to pay for bottles. They're like no, it 0:36:05.600 --> 0:36:08.080 was all free. So you know, I wanted to stay 0:36:08.080 --> 0:36:10.279 at the party. They're getting free Christis and christ I 0:36:10.440 --> 0:36:14.920 wasn't racist and ship so remember once they got racist, 0:36:16.000 --> 0:36:17.560 you don't say a whole switch to Ace. We're going 0:36:17.960 --> 0:36:20.160 going with Ace. But um so yeah, so that that 0:36:20.360 --> 0:36:23.880 but that was like our first viral moment that you 0:36:23.920 --> 0:36:26.560 hadn't launched the podcast, right, I hadn't launt that And 0:36:26.640 --> 0:36:29.960 then tax Stone when when when when Jay hit me 0:36:30.239 --> 0:36:32.880 and I was like this podcast ship is He had 0:36:32.960 --> 0:36:36.800 been telling me about podcast years years And when he 0:36:36.920 --> 0:36:39.279 said that, I said, and when that happened? And I 0:36:39.400 --> 0:36:43.719 remember my publicist said, um, because I was Nikia Hicks 0:36:45.480 --> 0:36:48.239 at this time. After that ship came out, she said, 0:36:48.400 --> 0:36:51.080 there's no other interview in the world that we can 0:36:51.160 --> 0:36:53.239 do after this that they're not going to ask you 0:36:53.280 --> 0:36:56.520 about Michael Jordan's So she said you can. You can 0:36:56.560 --> 0:36:59.160 either continue to do your press one or take two 0:36:59.160 --> 0:37:02.279 weeks off and that ship. I said, I'm taking two weeks. 0:37:02.320 --> 0:37:05.080 So it was so it was that you got Michael 0:37:05.120 --> 0:37:09.800 Jordan to respect listen for two minutes. I was sweating 0:37:09.840 --> 0:37:11.960 like I never sweating before because I was like, damn, 0:37:12.239 --> 0:37:17.600 Michael Jordan just called me a liar. You gotta what said? 0:37:17.800 --> 0:37:20.560 He said? It's three things he said. He said, one, 0:37:20.960 --> 0:37:24.719 Michael Jordan loves all music, which means he hates ship, 0:37:25.520 --> 0:37:27.759 which means he don't like hip hop. Because anything that 0:37:28.560 --> 0:37:32.840 say what I love it read hip hop, gush my teeth, 0:37:32.920 --> 0:37:37.560 just say I love all music. You don't love you 0:37:37.640 --> 0:37:41.759 don't love everybody. Then he said he was never at 0:37:41.840 --> 0:37:44.800 that party. No no, no, he said, no, no, no, 0:37:44.960 --> 0:37:47.920 He said he loves all music. Michael does not know 0:37:48.000 --> 0:37:52.480 who nor he is very low blow. I said, I 0:37:52.560 --> 0:37:55.440 get it, Mike, I might not know who I am, 0:37:55.600 --> 0:37:59.880 right I'm saying. And then he said, Michael Jordan was 0:37:59.920 --> 0:38:05.680 at that party that part right, you don't let the rock, 0:38:05.880 --> 0:38:09.600 I said, And two minutes later my fans was like 0:38:09.760 --> 0:38:12.920 yeah really and I'm told my my whole timeline on 0:38:13.000 --> 0:38:15.359 Twitter was just filled with that ship. And then Jake 0:38:15.440 --> 0:38:17.960 Jalen Rods picked it up. Yeah, you know, we put 0:38:18.120 --> 0:38:20.680 Jordan on the Summer Grand Scheme and I remember that's 0:38:20.719 --> 0:38:24.520 my first time learning, like learning like to win and 0:38:24.640 --> 0:38:28.000 don't spike the ball. Yeah, I could not spike the ball. 0:38:28.040 --> 0:38:30.440 I was just like, you know what, touchdown, go home. 0:38:30.880 --> 0:38:32.960 Like I never bragged about the ship. I never really 0:38:33.000 --> 0:38:34.799 like rubbed it in this space because I still want 0:38:34.880 --> 0:38:40.359 Jordan's like you real like trying to send you're back person. 0:38:40.440 --> 0:38:45.080 I said, you had a bad night. That night was up. 0:38:45.120 --> 0:38:46.960 It was like I swear to guard. It was like 0:38:47.719 --> 0:38:49.840 somebody saying niggers, like sitting here in the white friends 0:38:49.880 --> 0:38:52.600 like what are your good close white friends that you like? 0:38:52.840 --> 0:39:00.520 What you like? Whoa Jerry? Jerry like you know, was like, man, 0:39:00.600 --> 0:39:02.239 that's how that's how I felt. I'm so sorry. I 0:39:02.320 --> 0:39:06.759 had a moment, had a moment. Okay that that that 0:39:07.000 --> 0:39:10.320 that's when I realized that podcast. You know, they just 0:39:10.400 --> 0:39:12.400 did a survey that podcast is going to be a 0:39:12.440 --> 0:39:20.120 six hundred million dollar bit. You got five. I wanted to, 0:39:20.160 --> 0:39:22.600 but when I thought on the asset, you know what's crazy? 0:39:23.760 --> 0:39:26.520 Eventually I told this the way Kwan two years ago. 0:39:26.560 --> 0:39:29.040 He thought I was crazy. I think I think he 0:39:29.160 --> 0:39:33.000 thinks something I said. Eventually we'll all have podcasts, right, 0:39:34.760 --> 0:39:38.560 and eventually, why drop your ship with iTunes or drop 0:39:38.680 --> 0:39:41.960 your ship just dropping on your goddamn podcast. Just think 0:39:41.960 --> 0:39:45.680 about think about, like bick up to our carrade, Joe Buttons, 0:39:45.880 --> 0:39:49.680 Joe Button has built his I'm just slexic. I'm justlexic. 0:39:50.000 --> 0:39:54.400 Joe is a couple of them. Joe has built his 0:39:54.520 --> 0:39:57.800 YouTube up right so tremendously. Why would you take a 0:39:57.880 --> 0:40:00.560 piece of art and give it to a labor to 0:40:00.760 --> 0:40:04.200 talk to your audience that you already had rights director consumer? 0:40:04.320 --> 0:40:05.920 Just think about it. I'm just thinking about when we 0:40:06.120 --> 0:40:09.640 get wise enough to know that like this, this, this is, 0:40:09.840 --> 0:40:12.640 this is what we worked for. We worked We came 0:40:12.719 --> 0:40:16.640 from hand to hand off the street drug dealer, and 0:40:16.760 --> 0:40:19.800 now we're eventually going back to hand to hand because 0:40:20.480 --> 0:40:23.399 essentially we won't need a record label for nothing, right, 0:40:24.120 --> 0:40:26.920 No disrespect to everybody that the higher ups. There's always 0:40:26.920 --> 0:40:29.120 going to be the Kevin lows Is. It's always gonna 0:40:29.120 --> 0:40:31.920 be the Leo Cohns and the Jimmy ir Beans who 0:40:32.040 --> 0:40:35.000 figured out a way to make it work. But there's 0:40:35.080 --> 0:40:37.920 not always gonna be these guys. Why do you think 0:40:37.960 --> 0:40:40.719 you guys have adapted to media? Like, what is that 0:40:40.800 --> 0:40:43.319 surprisect back in your mind? Actually, I knew he's gonna 0:40:43.320 --> 0:40:47.120 ask me that question. I had no idea. I'm gonna 0:40:47.120 --> 0:40:49.200 be honest. You always have respect for me, of course, 0:40:49.280 --> 0:40:54.160 I've always have respect. Actually, actually I actually went to college. 0:40:54.200 --> 0:40:58.640 It was in jail, but college, and I couldn't feel 0:40:58.680 --> 0:41:02.359 out um for the credits. So I randomly, I don't 0:41:02.360 --> 0:41:04.640 know if I randomly off I had love for journalism. 0:41:04.719 --> 0:41:09.200 I picked journalism, but I was loving show stays that 0:41:09.320 --> 0:41:11.840 loved and journalism. But what I knew how to do 0:41:12.080 --> 0:41:14.600 was talk. Journalism told me how to talk because I 0:41:14.680 --> 0:41:18.680 was always a slanguistic journalism, Hey how are you doing? Yes? Okay, 0:41:18.880 --> 0:41:21.160 so what when did the thing? Because we would do 0:41:21.239 --> 0:41:23.640 practice like you know what I'm saying, like and and 0:41:23.920 --> 0:41:29.719 and that's where. But now the first hip hop podcast, 0:41:30.000 --> 0:41:34.160 I have to give it to Cyper Sound and Peter. 0:41:35.480 --> 0:41:38.960 That's the first hip hop podcast, the first artists rapp 0:41:39.080 --> 0:41:45.720 up artists, where the podcast is who Joe Joe? What glory? 0:41:47.000 --> 0:41:54.959 I see he wouldn't call he wouldn't call it because 0:41:55.440 --> 0:41:57.719 and we're calling the Internet radio, which is actually the 0:41:57.760 --> 0:42:01.840 beginning of the v had that we wait long and 0:42:02.239 --> 0:42:05.359 it is, Yeah, didn't as we had it too. You're right, 0:42:05.400 --> 0:42:08.520 you're right, yeah, yeah, but I tea was you get 0:42:08.560 --> 0:42:11.640 credit for the first hip hop artist, my first hip 0:42:11.680 --> 0:42:14.000 hop artists. I've believe it's nice to beat Joe Bunn 0:42:14.040 --> 0:42:17.880 definitely if I don't you saw the weekend? No, no, 0:42:18.160 --> 0:42:20.760 I don't Joe Had. I believe you're trying to google 0:42:21.239 --> 0:42:29.480 drink Joe had the first joey Okay, okay, yeah he 0:42:29.560 --> 0:42:37.520 had it first. Okay, let make but but wait, we 0:42:37.640 --> 0:42:40.320 can't negate that we were doing Serious X and Together, 0:42:40.719 --> 0:42:43.520 which pre dates Drink Chance. It was Drink Chance before 0:42:43.600 --> 0:42:48.560 Drink Channing, four years five years before Drink chats On 0:42:49.280 --> 0:42:53.839 before Serious X. Yeah. Yeah, it was the same ship 0:42:54.760 --> 0:42:59.320 funny drinking. Yeah, we have all that. So so what 0:42:59.480 --> 0:43:00.960 is the what is what is the most like you know, 0:43:01.480 --> 0:43:05.879 three thrilling part about doing media, Like for me, I'm 0:43:05.920 --> 0:43:08.479 a fan first, right, so even right now I'm talking 0:43:08.520 --> 0:43:10.960 to Norrie, I can't tell you all the time I 0:43:11.040 --> 0:43:15.000 had to seeing the post wall like I'm just you 0:43:15.000 --> 0:43:23.040 don't like Boris and like I'm talking to like the superheroes, 0:43:23.040 --> 0:43:25.279 like I look like a superhero like Boulverine or something 0:43:25.360 --> 0:43:28.440 like that. I look at it. So that's not to 0:43:28.520 --> 0:43:29.920 digress a little bit, but I love the fact that 0:43:30.000 --> 0:43:31.800 like I forget, like I think that you think that 0:43:31.880 --> 0:43:34.960 you're not a celebrity. Sometimes because you don't, you get excited, 0:43:35.040 --> 0:43:36.560 Like when I see you talk y'all just on the 0:43:36.640 --> 0:43:45.759 phone now, jay Z, when y'all was fighting, talk, let 0:43:45.800 --> 0:43:48.000 me tell you something, tell you something. You wasn't really 0:43:48.120 --> 0:43:51.000 bad at him noticing something. It's just something that he 0:43:51.320 --> 0:43:53.839 doesn't notice. But you said something to me that day 0:43:53.960 --> 0:43:57.520 that really changed me. You said, the difference between us 0:43:57.640 --> 0:44:01.440 is we're really fans. And that's statement was so true 0:44:01.480 --> 0:44:05.040 to me because I sat back and I said, He's right, 0:44:05.520 --> 0:44:07.440 there's nowhere I could really be a fan of these 0:44:07.520 --> 0:44:10.160 other brothers because I was busy having my own ship. 0:44:10.840 --> 0:44:12.800 So what I had to do was I had to 0:44:12.880 --> 0:44:15.200 turn back to being a fan. I stopped doing shows, 0:44:15.480 --> 0:44:17.960 stopped going to the studio, and I stopped actually I 0:44:18.000 --> 0:44:21.880 started actually taking this ship. I started having notes because 0:44:22.040 --> 0:44:24.600 the thing about it was I didn't take it as 0:44:24.640 --> 0:44:26.480 serious as that, and like we were playing around. We 0:44:26.560 --> 0:44:28.480 from Queen's were supposed to do that. But when you 0:44:28.560 --> 0:44:30.400 said that, you said the differences and you wasn't even 0:44:30.440 --> 0:44:31.560 saying that to me. He was saying it to a 0:44:31.680 --> 0:44:34.240 fan and he was like, the differences were really fans. 0:44:34.320 --> 0:44:37.439 And I was like, you know what, that's absolutely true, 0:44:37.480 --> 0:44:40.279 even if we were playing around, and you know, when 0:44:40.320 --> 0:44:42.279 the truth is the truth, I gotta pick it up 0:44:42.320 --> 0:44:44.800 and I gotta eat it rather it's a rock or skittles, 0:44:45.040 --> 0:44:46.560 you know what I'm saying. So I picked it up 0:44:46.600 --> 0:44:48.080 and I ate it, and I said, the truth don't 0:44:48.120 --> 0:44:50.200 taste bad. I said, you know what, I'm gonna go 0:44:50.320 --> 0:44:52.359 back into being a fan. That's why if you look 0:44:52.400 --> 0:44:55.640 at the NAS interview, that wasn't Noriega at all. That 0:44:55.800 --> 0:44:59.120 was poppy. That was that was actually actually and the 0:44:59.200 --> 0:45:02.239 thing about it not just not because I'll interview people 0:45:02.280 --> 0:45:05.640 who has never done and he have any success like me, 0:45:05.960 --> 0:45:08.920 and I'll treat him the same way. Because to me, 0:45:09.280 --> 0:45:12.960 as you said, we're superheroes ship that we have to 0:45:13.200 --> 0:45:17.440 endure to be into this industry. Like this ship is 0:45:17.480 --> 0:45:21.080 horrible sometimes, but it's also the O G factor of 0:45:21.160 --> 0:45:23.880 why we do mostly O G because genuinely we're fans 0:45:24.400 --> 0:45:26.680 of these people we grew up with or he's here with, 0:45:27.440 --> 0:45:29.440 you know, so that's genuine, more genuine than if we 0:45:29.520 --> 0:45:32.480 had someone newer. Then it's not a genuine conversation, you know. 0:45:33.120 --> 0:45:35.560 I just hate I hate the one word as I 0:45:35.600 --> 0:45:37.680 know someone who's not a fan of Youri. I don't 0:45:37.680 --> 0:45:41.279 want to get to this, I said on Twitter Stephen A. 0:45:41.440 --> 0:45:43.879 Smith dished you when you met him, and you didn't 0:45:43.880 --> 0:45:46.600 explain why, Like what happened when you did? He didn't 0:45:46.800 --> 0:45:51.000 you know what, I definitely worded it wrong. He fanned 0:45:51.080 --> 0:45:55.400 me out. I didn't realize when I was walking up 0:45:55.440 --> 0:45:57.439 to him, I was in front of a whole line 0:45:57.480 --> 0:46:00.200 of people that was waiting in New York this notice 0:46:00.239 --> 0:46:03.560 in Kenny Smith party. So so as we were walking through, 0:46:03.640 --> 0:46:06.439 he just gave me one of these and he moved 0:46:06.480 --> 0:46:11.800 a back. I said, yo, say out, I might have 0:46:11.880 --> 0:46:15.000 been out before you like, come on now, Queen's down, 0:46:15.080 --> 0:46:16.560 And he just gave me one of the fool and 0:46:16.640 --> 0:46:19.759 then went. So I was like, I was like, oh ship, 0:46:19.840 --> 0:46:22.320 you know I got signed, I got but I posted 0:46:22.360 --> 0:46:28.279 the picture. Okay. You know sometimes have you ever met 0:46:28.360 --> 0:46:33.440 somebody he was disappointed? They all the time? Who's that's 0:46:33.440 --> 0:46:39.319 why I stopped meeting niggas. I don't want to ask yo. 0:46:39.400 --> 0:46:42.719 Let me tell you other thing. First off, it took 0:46:42.760 --> 0:46:46.760 a home to literally call me. I don't want Superstars numbers. 0:46:47.480 --> 0:46:49.520 I don't want Wayne. Wayne had to grab my phone 0:46:49.560 --> 0:46:52.040 head take it. I was like, because I don't want to. 0:46:52.040 --> 0:46:55.160 I don't. I just so bad, I'm so mad. I'm 0:46:55.200 --> 0:46:57.759 so bad at getting rejected and I'll just rejected in 0:46:57.840 --> 0:47:02.480 directed myself like it dissed me so so I don't 0:47:02.520 --> 0:47:06.120 want to give you Leo Cohen's number. Yeah, that's how 0:47:06.160 --> 0:47:22.840 I listen. Really, I realized, up listen, just this is 0:47:24.000 --> 0:47:26.760 something I would be honest. I stually let me decided 0:47:26.880 --> 0:47:32.640 Leo calls. Let me tell you what too. Yeah, wasn't 0:47:34.800 --> 0:47:38.759 was because it's like checks. But let tell you why 0:47:38.800 --> 0:47:41.359 I took that person, because leg is really really my guy. 0:47:42.120 --> 0:47:43.759 But I had took time to me I love you, 0:47:44.040 --> 0:47:46.400 I love you, but let me hear this respect I 0:47:46.480 --> 0:47:48.399 had took time with my life like three years where 0:47:48.960 --> 0:47:51.960 I didn't speak to no higher ups. I did speak 0:47:51.960 --> 0:47:54.080 to nobody that just was like I just wanted to 0:47:54.120 --> 0:47:56.799 deal with what I was dealing with and I had 0:47:56.880 --> 0:48:00.520 lost complete contact with Leo. So I watched. I watched 0:48:00.560 --> 0:48:03.360 the episode and I asked for his phone on number. 0:48:03.760 --> 0:48:06.920 You know your Elliott, give me the Can you give 0:48:06.960 --> 0:48:14.800 me the why? I said, this is the first of 0:48:14.960 --> 0:48:17.920 I'm not trying. I'm not in competition. I don't want 0:48:17.960 --> 0:48:20.920 to be in competition. I'm actually hitting them like as 0:48:20.960 --> 0:48:23.160 a life coach. Though I'm alright and like you know 0:48:23.160 --> 0:48:25.359 what I'm saying. Like and you when when you took 0:48:25.400 --> 0:48:27.920 it like that, I said, Yo, listen, I thought I 0:48:28.080 --> 0:48:31.480 was bad and battling. I thought I was bad with competitions. 0:48:33.320 --> 0:48:36.200 Oh listen and listen. I wake up in the morning. 0:48:36.239 --> 0:48:39.000 I beat my son to the bathroom just to piss 0:48:39.040 --> 0:48:41.560 on the toilet before him. So if he's sit down 0:48:43.000 --> 0:48:45.680 the toilet, when you look around, you looking around, you 0:48:45.680 --> 0:48:50.960 see that competitive. But when I see how competitive you were, 0:48:51.360 --> 0:48:56.160 I said, damn, Elliott has a problem and really okay. 0:48:56.200 --> 0:48:59.560 But when we came to CVS, no, no, I just 0:48:59.640 --> 0:49:05.800 feel like one of the natural queens. One queens, we 0:49:05.960 --> 0:49:10.520 naturally compete, right, But then two that's also it's in you, 0:49:10.800 --> 0:49:13.600 like you want to win and win like like like 0:49:13.880 --> 0:49:16.120 I see, I noticed when I did your podcast, if 0:49:16.200 --> 0:49:18.239 this is something you taught me, and you kept hitting 0:49:18.280 --> 0:49:21.320 me saying, yo posted, post it posted, and I didn't 0:49:21.360 --> 0:49:24.839 know what what it meant at the time. So when 0:49:24.880 --> 0:49:27.719 I got back later, I said, this motherfucker loved it, 0:49:27.840 --> 0:49:38.080 like you love coming you. But but I do think 0:49:38.120 --> 0:49:43.040 that I'd like to think I've grown, and I think 0:49:43.080 --> 0:49:46.200 it's error. It's not about that like overly competitive, like 0:49:46.520 --> 0:49:49.719 like nobody has. Like the thing about the whole Exxcel 0:49:49.800 --> 0:49:53.200 Source battle was I felt like the source had exactly 0:49:53.239 --> 0:49:55.279 what I wanted, so the only way to get that 0:49:55.440 --> 0:49:57.319 was to get it from them. You know what you're 0:49:57.360 --> 0:49:59.120 doing when I'm doing what your buddon is doing, like 0:49:59.200 --> 0:50:01.839 what beat I does. Everybody really is running their own race. 0:50:01.920 --> 0:50:03.400 And it's like it's not even more about like we're 0:50:03.400 --> 0:50:06.120 all fighting for this one thing. We're all redefineding what 0:50:06.239 --> 0:50:12.560 it means to have a brand of podcast growth, so 0:50:12.680 --> 0:50:15.360 to be raw rock competitive anymore. That stople was played 0:50:15.360 --> 0:50:18.880 out that stock will not work, and I was and 0:50:18.960 --> 0:50:20.560 I was wrong to move that way back then. But 0:50:21.360 --> 0:50:25.080 because like Kendrick man, like listen, listen, I said it before, 0:50:25.239 --> 0:50:27.520 but I know Power one of five ain't owned by 0:50:27.600 --> 0:50:30.200 one of us. But the Breakfast Club is a part 0:50:30.239 --> 0:50:32.480 of our coaches. If you don't, if you don't come 0:50:32.480 --> 0:50:34.360 to see us, and again I want to make it 0:50:34.680 --> 0:50:38.279 that's actually our Drake story is the Kendrick. Even though 0:50:40.239 --> 0:50:42.960 it was Interscope that was reaching out to Kendrick to 0:50:44.320 --> 0:50:46.439 we're ready to do it, it was coming from Rolling 0:50:46.520 --> 0:50:49.200 Loud and then that day I think they said, oh 0:50:49.280 --> 0:50:52.400 he flies in a certain time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So 0:50:52.840 --> 0:50:56.120 let me get back to Kendrick. Like the Kendrick, the 0:50:56.320 --> 0:51:01.520 Drake's Um, the Colds, I know you did called Ken 0:51:01.600 --> 0:51:04.160 Drake's the colda. You know, all of you guys that 0:51:04.280 --> 0:51:06.880 are special in your own special way. You guys are 0:51:06.920 --> 0:51:10.439 the jupid of the planet system in the galaxy. It's 0:51:10.480 --> 0:51:14.239 important to come and support your culture. Yeah, Like it 0:51:14.360 --> 0:51:16.839 says a statement. When jay Z does four or four 0:51:16.880 --> 0:51:19.279 or four album and he books one interview and it's 0:51:19.320 --> 0:51:23.560 with Rap Radar, it says a statement. It's a statement. 0:51:23.640 --> 0:51:25.960 With Nos does two interviews and both of those interviews 0:51:26.040 --> 0:51:29.840 happened to be land on Tite, only two interviews for 0:51:29.880 --> 0:51:32.120 the whole fucking thing. It says a statement that hip 0:51:32.160 --> 0:51:35.759 hop is supporting hip hop, So young fellas who are 0:51:35.760 --> 0:51:38.440 the young guns support this because at the end of 0:51:38.480 --> 0:51:42.799 the day, every itself and in some which way form 0:51:42.840 --> 0:51:44.800 of fashion. If it wasn't for people like us, it 0:51:44.920 --> 0:51:47.839 might not be people like you. You know what I'm saying. 0:51:47.920 --> 0:51:49.440 There might not be people like If you're a new 0:51:49.560 --> 0:51:55.319 artist and you're not gonna escape aid, understand it's gonna happen. 0:51:56.040 --> 0:51:58.879 If you're lucky, you'll be old. You got the certain 0:51:58.920 --> 0:52:05.160 that he was over you felt off you. Yes, Now, 0:52:06.239 --> 0:52:09.840 like I said on your podcast, you know, um, sometimes 0:52:09.880 --> 0:52:11.480 it's hard to wake up and not be the man 0:52:11.680 --> 0:52:13.759 on Wednesday when you was a man on Monday. But 0:52:14.160 --> 0:52:16.400 for some of you people, some of you, some of 0:52:16.440 --> 0:52:19.520 these artists, actually have to go and listen look at 0:52:19.560 --> 0:52:22.400 that interview, because the thing about it is be humble 0:52:22.440 --> 0:52:24.960 on your way in, because you will be humble on 0:52:25.040 --> 0:52:29.480 your way out. This ship will humble you. If it ain't, 0:52:29.920 --> 0:52:33.359 if it ain't me, if it ain't that somebody will 0:52:33.440 --> 0:52:38.319 go And you know what, I know this no matter 0:52:38.400 --> 0:52:40.800 how much your gangs. Now, it was there was always 0:52:40.920 --> 0:52:44.120 one nigger that was more gangster than me. No matter 0:52:44.400 --> 0:52:48.160 how much pussy I got, there was always one nigger, 0:52:49.640 --> 0:52:53.400 let's get it made. No matter how much running one, 0:52:54.000 --> 0:52:57.520 there's always three. Let's looking at me like I'm broke. 0:52:58.600 --> 0:53:02.080 So motherfuckers us be humble on your way in because 0:53:02.160 --> 0:53:04.720 you gotta be humble on your way out. That's everything 0:53:04.760 --> 0:53:07.239 an artist. I think that's stunning on you. Why they 0:53:07.400 --> 0:53:10.279 was they was hot and then they dropped it, and 0:53:10.360 --> 0:53:13.080 then they tried to come back and was like and 0:53:13.120 --> 0:53:15.920 then they tried to come back when they had to cycle. 0:53:16.000 --> 0:53:18.440 That's I can't think we don't do it. It's like, 0:53:18.560 --> 0:53:20.040 you know, we gotta do it. Makes sense. I mean 0:53:20.600 --> 0:53:22.759 the problem with you get a certain status, right, it's 0:53:22.760 --> 0:53:24.759 like we say no more than we say yes, and 0:53:24.800 --> 0:53:26.920 I'd rather than that give you no assent to say no, 0:53:27.080 --> 0:53:28.520 Like I don't even give you a nose. It's like 0:53:28.600 --> 0:53:30.560 we're not moving because the thing is also timing to 0:53:30.760 --> 0:53:32.239 like I'm not ready to move a certain way. So 0:53:33.040 --> 0:53:34.920 we were blessed to be in a position that we're 0:53:35.040 --> 0:53:37.920 very selective about. Like you guys, we want to talk 0:53:37.960 --> 0:53:40.600 to him like right now, pop smoke with that's my 0:53:40.680 --> 0:53:43.239 favorite new I like his voice. I like his voice. 0:53:43.280 --> 0:53:47.440 You like yeah, and you know what you know? I 0:53:47.520 --> 0:53:54.359 like about pop smoke. He sounds like pop smoke, Like Hi, yeah, 0:53:54.400 --> 0:53:57.319 that's that's unheard of right now. That's why I did 0:53:57.400 --> 0:54:00.239 contest because I feel like, like we like cars. Yeah, 0:54:00.280 --> 0:54:02.239 we did forty five minutes with Megan, which is a 0:54:02.239 --> 0:54:04.319 really good interview, but that's a long time, Like that's 0:54:04.320 --> 0:54:06.319 probably the longest she could go. Like, like you said, 0:54:06.360 --> 0:54:08.680 I love Little Baby, I love Gunna. But they might 0:54:08.719 --> 0:54:11.520 not be ready for a whole hour of conversation. They 0:54:11.560 --> 0:54:13.759 may give you a good half hour funny minutes to 0:54:13.760 --> 0:54:15.880 a half hour. So there was definitely pressure in the 0:54:15.920 --> 0:54:18.000 podcast that we gotta have a whole hour content. So 0:54:18.400 --> 0:54:19.960 a lot of these new artists may pop up, but 0:54:19.960 --> 0:54:22.799 they don't fit that paradise if you like that way. 0:54:22.800 --> 0:54:24.200 So that's why I came up with contest, because I 0:54:24.239 --> 0:54:26.759 felt like, if we're running around and we have the 0:54:26.840 --> 0:54:28.799 set place for the interview and they're playing their music, 0:54:28.880 --> 0:54:30.840 it's like I could get a good five to fifteen 0:54:30.880 --> 0:54:33.640 minutes and do pray content that way. So everybody doesn't 0:54:33.640 --> 0:54:35.839 fit the long form podcast model, but doesn't mean it's 0:54:35.880 --> 0:54:38.000 not relevant. Like pop smoke is dope, but he's not 0:54:38.120 --> 0:54:40.000 ready yet to do like an hour. I don't think 0:54:41.200 --> 0:54:43.520 I want to talk about as music and that's how 0:54:44.280 --> 0:54:48.719 big and Nicki Minaj. Yeah, but you know it's it's 0:54:48.719 --> 0:54:51.440 almost like building up a cachet of stuff to talk about. 0:54:51.480 --> 0:54:54.319 You know, that's songs cool, but like that, it's gonna 0:54:54.360 --> 0:54:58.479 get you so far exactly because like you guys critique, yeah, 0:54:59.680 --> 0:55:13.040 they you know, I almost got to fight, That's what 0:55:13.120 --> 0:55:15.000 I was like, Yeah, what are we doing? Man? This 0:55:15.160 --> 0:55:18.239 was after y'all actually interviewed him. Yeah, so what did 0:55:18.280 --> 0:55:22.440 you say to him that he was I don't know. 0:55:22.880 --> 0:55:24.759 It was posted interview, and I guess you know, as 0:55:24.800 --> 0:55:28.040 a fan, you know, people can treat you said that 0:55:28.440 --> 0:55:31.000 like his album, but you know, you know it's about 0:55:31.000 --> 0:55:33.680 his flow, somebody flow. I basically said that, Like for me, 0:55:33.840 --> 0:55:36.239 I'm a very to the point guy. Like I felt 0:55:36.239 --> 0:55:39.160 like Wiley's music was too abstract, you know, he would 0:55:39.280 --> 0:55:41.440 like I would lose my train of thought with his robes, 0:55:41.520 --> 0:55:44.320 like like something like someone might say that about a 0:55:44.440 --> 0:55:47.080 ghost face or rap corn that style. I just couldn't 0:55:47.080 --> 0:55:49.239 really identify with it, and that was the reason I 0:55:49.320 --> 0:55:51.800 really wasn't a fan of that stung with him and 0:55:51.880 --> 0:55:55.439 he said, you know, I think I think after say 0:55:55.480 --> 0:55:58.160 nothing in the moment, but after the interview I kind 0:55:58.160 --> 0:56:00.320 of expressed that a little bit more on two, you 0:56:00.360 --> 0:56:03.160 know whatever. Whatever. So when he was at the pool party, 0:56:03.200 --> 0:56:05.200 he was like, Yo, have a conversation. I ain't seen 0:56:05.239 --> 0:56:14.160 him around. Yeah, yeah, was saying about the silicide. It 0:56:14.320 --> 0:56:16.000 was packed. It was at the Gross House, the big 0:56:16.040 --> 0:56:19.399 House in Georgia, and he was in rapper mode too, 0:56:19.480 --> 0:56:23.920 you know, because he was like trying to corner pool. 0:56:24.880 --> 0:56:31.719 It was a little bit of Molly involved. Yeah, I 0:56:34.520 --> 0:56:39.239 love so, Yeah, we're in a great space. So come up. 0:56:39.280 --> 0:56:42.920 So I go up and he's like, uh yo, man, Like, 0:56:43.000 --> 0:56:44.680 I don't remember exactly what you said. Ford. It was like, 0:56:45.360 --> 0:56:47.880 if you're saying then, I'm like, yo, what what the 0:56:47.960 --> 0:56:50.120 fund are you talking about? It? Like this body going 0:56:50.280 --> 0:56:53.640 around to me is his cruise ship. I'm like, I 0:56:53.760 --> 0:56:56.120 was irritated. Whatever it was this way it was. The 0:56:56.520 --> 0:56:59.520 belly was somewhere I didn't see the first he was 0:56:59.560 --> 0:57:01.359 some else and I say, you know, I'm not doing 0:57:01.400 --> 0:57:03.680 this in with you, hil and then he was like, 0:57:03.960 --> 0:57:05.640 come on this side. Then I was like, let's go 0:57:05.800 --> 0:57:08.759 this side, right, So he's going to join. He's in 0:57:08.840 --> 0:57:11.160 my face and this and I'm We're going back and 0:57:11.239 --> 0:57:13.399 forth and I'm like, you know what, I'm just gonna leave, 0:57:13.480 --> 0:57:17.480 like this is stupid. Part of the fight. You at 0:57:17.480 --> 0:57:19.680 the pool party. Next thing, we're gonna be world started, 0:57:22.160 --> 0:57:27.200 world and not cute. Let me ask let me ask 0:57:27.200 --> 0:57:29.080 you real quick. Do you think and maybe it's more 0:57:29.080 --> 0:57:32.360 for Elliott? Did you do print as well? Yeah? Okay, 0:57:32.360 --> 0:57:34.680 So do you think that there's more be for Les 0:57:34.840 --> 0:57:38.040 beef in in this age versus the print age. With 0:57:38.200 --> 0:57:41.760 journalism and the arts, it's lessbief because somebody on Twitter 0:57:41.840 --> 0:57:44.880 is telling you your hairline and giving you you feel 0:57:44.880 --> 0:57:47.280 because the public is done them. You can't beat that. 0:57:47.400 --> 0:57:50.120 You can't beat everybody. You can't beat everybody up. You 0:57:50.160 --> 0:57:53.280 can't block everybody. So you can't shut the lights out 0:57:53.760 --> 0:57:59.960 like if theyt saying, you know, Nori, no interrupted, there's 0:58:00.040 --> 0:58:03.479 too many voices. You can't shoot everybody like you can't 0:58:03.560 --> 0:58:08.000 like back then, crazy age right now, that's true, but 0:58:08.080 --> 0:58:11.040 I'm saying I think that more the regular voice gets 0:58:11.080 --> 0:58:13.760 in that chatter, like the majority you know what it is. 0:58:14.000 --> 0:58:16.840 You drop an album, you know you buy the weekend. 0:58:16.960 --> 0:58:19.560 Know how motherfucker's this feeling it? See it could be 0:58:19.720 --> 0:58:22.760 d o A could definitely arrival or likes with it, 0:58:22.840 --> 0:58:25.440 Like you get that instant feedback that we don't. We 0:58:25.520 --> 0:58:28.880 don't control that narrative anymore like the people do because 0:58:28.920 --> 0:58:31.680 of social media, the Twitter, because the Instagram, they're gonna 0:58:31.680 --> 0:58:33.520 emoji you out, they're gonna say what it is. It's 0:58:33.520 --> 0:58:35.280 like it's all there, so everything in your face. You 0:58:35.320 --> 0:58:37.440 got to do with it. So it was a big 0:58:37.840 --> 0:58:40.400 one of the biggest moments for you guys. My proudest 0:58:40.440 --> 0:58:42.680 moment for you guys was when you landed at the 0:58:42.760 --> 0:59:00.280 jay Z can't happen. So first off, it was so 0:59:02.480 --> 0:59:05.959 how does this happen? You guys called the sober House 0:59:06.560 --> 0:59:11.640 or same were calling so hard and you didn't know 0:59:11.720 --> 0:59:14.280 what everybody think since his house that they think is 0:59:14.280 --> 0:59:16.640 actually his house. No I knew that because you're a 0:59:16.720 --> 0:59:26.120 soul house like sib Yeah, regular regular. I need Malibu, Okay, 0:59:26.440 --> 0:59:31.240 I don't know. I can't get my mallible baby, let 0:59:31.280 --> 0:59:36.760 me say a little manible, come on, come ontr And 0:59:38.680 --> 0:59:40.480 so how can I get in Malibu. Man ain't got 0:59:40.480 --> 0:59:44.200 me a whole toel October like said, gonna do a 0:59:44.320 --> 0:59:50.920 verdict on October, said why we got you in October? 0:59:51.040 --> 0:59:55.160 Like what, I ain't gonna holding batter right now. The 0:59:55.240 --> 0:59:57.919 reason why I got in so fast? I was actually there, 0:59:58.320 --> 1:00:00.440 like they're supposed to give you you you don't have 1:00:00.520 --> 1:00:03.400 a regular so you gotta pull up and you gotta 1:00:03.440 --> 1:00:05.760 say the people yo, for real and then they'll they'll 1:00:05.800 --> 1:00:10.520 do back room fucking infamous. Okay, but hold on, hold on, okay, 1:00:10.600 --> 1:00:14.120 so you guys whole finally agrees because I know even 1:00:14.160 --> 1:00:16.320 if he wanted to agree, he's gonna take some time 1:00:16.360 --> 1:00:19.560 to agree because he's that time. The second time we 1:00:20.040 --> 1:00:22.880 had a Jay Z interview prior first time, it was 1:00:22.920 --> 1:00:25.120 a pump fake. It was I was driving to he 1:00:25.240 --> 1:00:27.520 was like, yo, I remember what was the message? Like 1:00:27.560 --> 1:00:29.640 turning the mics on, ready to talk. I almost crashing 1:00:29.680 --> 1:00:34.800 my cars like happy, But it didn't happen because he 1:00:34.880 --> 1:00:38.320 was like, we're trying to get yeah, okay, and it's 1:00:38.360 --> 1:00:42.080 pump fake. What its like he doesn't know basketball. I 1:00:42.160 --> 1:00:48.960 get that there no push your t um with Jay 1:00:49.080 --> 1:00:52.400 push drug deals anonymous and he samples the White Girl 1:00:52.560 --> 1:00:59.160 used to be on Fox. Yeah, jay Z that ship 1:00:59.240 --> 1:01:01.680 kissed him off. Okay, so when that ship came out 1:01:02.320 --> 1:01:04.880 the next day, emailed me and beat out, I'm ready, 1:01:05.000 --> 1:01:08.200 like who've been trying? Yeah, pull up, come to l A. 1:01:10.080 --> 1:01:13.880 Turn the mix up. But then he the Moistie stopped 1:01:13.920 --> 1:01:18.960 hitting us silence like then that Friday, I see tax 1:01:19.000 --> 1:01:25.680 Stone in his office and he's like, like the interview, 1:01:26.760 --> 1:01:31.000 that's why I went back. But going back to that, yes, 1:01:31.080 --> 1:01:33.320 so that was that was the original because that bothered 1:01:33.360 --> 1:01:35.200 him so much. He ended up, you know, cutting that 1:01:35.280 --> 1:01:38.160 records that represented his thing. But like that hit triggered him. 1:01:38.160 --> 1:01:39.680 So that was first thing out. But then the second 1:01:39.720 --> 1:01:44.840 time to four four it's been out for months. It 1:01:44.960 --> 1:01:47.520 was like a couple of weeks and it was just 1:01:47.760 --> 1:01:50.920 random like because so he says, I'm coming to l A. No, 1:01:51.160 --> 1:01:55.480 it was like, yo, let's talk something like history who 1:01:55.520 --> 1:02:00.280 was trying to get to get there? So cool. So 1:02:00.480 --> 1:02:02.640 if you know Jay, he's cryptic, like he doesn't say 1:02:02.640 --> 1:02:05.320 too many words. He talks like in riddles. He talks 1:02:05.360 --> 1:02:10.480 like Jesus, yeah you're talking about he emails you it's 1:02:10.480 --> 1:02:14.240 a synthesis, like this thing is ryding to me like 1:02:20.000 --> 1:02:22.080 when Jake contacts you, was just very cryptical, like you 1:02:22.120 --> 1:02:24.400 gotta like decipher the ship. So it's like, all right, 1:02:24.440 --> 1:02:26.520 we're ready, let's talk. So I'm like, oh, this is 1:02:26.640 --> 1:02:29.200 this is really happening. And so we and Ellie we 1:02:29.360 --> 1:02:31.720 like scrambled. We go to l A. Right man, in 1:02:31.920 --> 1:02:34.240 l A, I'm not hitting them till we land, because 1:02:34.280 --> 1:02:37.040 we don't believe things that's real until they're really at 1:02:37.080 --> 1:02:42.680 this point. Yeah, So we get to l A and 1:02:42.760 --> 1:02:44.520 we're like, okay, what do we do now? And we 1:02:44.640 --> 1:02:47.280 hit JA like yo, we're here. What's the next step. 1:02:47.720 --> 1:02:50.320 He's like, you're a crew? No no, because I was 1:02:50.400 --> 1:02:52.520 like we're doing I didn't know if he's gonna do video. 1:02:53.200 --> 1:02:54.960 So I was like, you know, we felming, like but 1:02:56.320 --> 1:02:58.000 I don't even call the video. We don't have nothing. 1:02:58.120 --> 1:03:00.280 We're just there. He's like it's Hollywood, man, get a crew, 1:03:00.800 --> 1:03:04.720 Like but you don't understand, like if you do production, 1:03:04.800 --> 1:03:06.800 it's not easy just to find that we didn't. I 1:03:06.800 --> 1:03:16.280 don't want to, like he didn't scratch this iPhone, Like 1:03:16.640 --> 1:03:19.960 we gotta get a crew. So we're like okay, and 1:03:20.040 --> 1:03:23.080 it's like maybe eleven o'clock. It was black and white 1:03:23.160 --> 1:03:24.600 or it's black and white, but we didn't know what 1:03:24.720 --> 1:03:27.160 we want to do, okay, so back then we did 1:03:27.240 --> 1:03:29.200 them all black because I was supposed to be like 1:03:29.320 --> 1:03:32.680 the Rebird for the CBS era, like a different ships. 1:03:33.400 --> 1:03:35.480 But then what will Smith we did The color looks 1:03:35.520 --> 1:03:37.080 too ill with so then we were back to color. 1:03:37.120 --> 1:03:39.320 Will Smith got outside of that. So we're the airport, 1:03:39.760 --> 1:03:41.320 were scrambling to trying to find a crew. But they 1:03:41.360 --> 1:03:43.560 were like, we're we gonna do this that right, And 1:03:43.920 --> 1:03:46.160 we said Rock Nation Office in l A. And he 1:03:46.280 --> 1:03:48.720 said so. But when he said so, ho, I thought 1:03:48.760 --> 1:03:52.040 he meant the sausin Holly Hollywood. Yeah, so house in 1:03:52.120 --> 1:03:56.240 downtown too, but the house Hollywood, that's about the downtown. Yeah. 1:03:56.680 --> 1:03:59.520 But then I didn't know about Malibu. Alibu. Fuck, That's 1:03:59.560 --> 1:04:02.320 why I like moment. I was like, we gotta getting 1:04:02.320 --> 1:04:04.200 a car because it's just like an hour so away. 1:04:04.280 --> 1:04:06.240 So it was my first time then, like Elliot, don't 1:04:06.320 --> 1:04:09.520 drive right. So I'm driving the Mallible Way, I'm like 1:04:09.720 --> 1:04:15.560 being there, crash because the driver is beautiful. It's it's 1:04:15.600 --> 1:04:26.360 like ships driving like no ship, y'all almost make right, 1:04:26.560 --> 1:04:31.080 So y'all get to the mount. I mean, I'm gonna 1:04:31.080 --> 1:04:36.880 do a tager ball, but I want you the tequiladge shudge. 1:04:37.240 --> 1:04:40.000 Can you give me? He got me? He was on 1:04:40.040 --> 1:04:44.200 the highway that story about himself. I thank you quite 1:04:44.200 --> 1:04:47.400 and I appreciate the other way and I hate it too, 1:04:47.400 --> 1:04:50.920 side as I don't give a fun So so it's 1:04:50.960 --> 1:04:54.120 all the same day, keeping driving a malliable. So I'm driving, 1:04:55.640 --> 1:05:06.720 crashing right up, driving to drive them out when you 1:05:06.880 --> 1:05:13.120 crashing and we get there. He's a drunk. So we 1:05:13.200 --> 1:05:14.919 get there and I'm like, oh, this is really nice 1:05:15.040 --> 1:05:17.600 and then beautiful and what was so ill was because 1:05:17.640 --> 1:05:20.160 I'm like looking at around, I'm like, it's like a Wednesday, 1:05:20.320 --> 1:05:22.439 right middle of the day. You see what these white 1:05:22.520 --> 1:05:25.880 people in their laptops. Life is great. Like everyone's just chilling, 1:05:26.280 --> 1:05:31.040 smiles on their face. Member there, John Um, the publishing guy, 1:05:32.560 --> 1:05:34.760 he's a member of the always see them. It looks 1:05:34.800 --> 1:05:37.280 like a dope ass like apartment somewhere like in the city. 1:05:37.520 --> 1:05:39.640 The woman that you actually interview. I called it the 1:05:39.720 --> 1:05:42.160 Kendrick Lamar room because every time I go there, I 1:05:42.280 --> 1:05:44.680 smoke a with upstairs Kendrick Lamar and TV is downstairs 1:05:44.760 --> 1:05:55.320 up side continue damn, how we making mallible happen? Tell 1:05:55.360 --> 1:06:04.080 you I would be in my friend. We go in 1:06:04.160 --> 1:06:06.360 the room and you know, food is coming out, and 1:06:07.920 --> 1:06:09.680 how do you how do you even convince them? Because 1:06:09.960 --> 1:06:11.240 first of all, I don't even know, I don't know 1:06:11.280 --> 1:06:17.760 who house is U a nonfillment place, you can't feel 1:06:17.800 --> 1:06:20.200 a valuable was even more strict than that, because that's 1:06:20.320 --> 1:06:24.120 that's a that's a that's a that's a a private 1:06:24.240 --> 1:06:27.120 within a private? So how did you convince it what 1:06:27.280 --> 1:06:33.400 you just wanted? So that's what he was like that, 1:06:33.600 --> 1:06:35.240 But it's most like we have to make it happen. 1:06:35.280 --> 1:06:37.480 But then it's like you say it's whole, but you know, 1:06:37.560 --> 1:06:39.560 the funniest you ever say, fuzzy of it. But now 1:06:39.640 --> 1:06:42.000 when you first come in, there's like a girl, I said, 1:06:42.080 --> 1:06:43.760 right in the front, Right in the front, she had 1:06:43.880 --> 1:06:46.680 built up the system. I'm not trying to buy chother 1:06:46.760 --> 1:06:49.000 with the system that was running. She had hooked up 1:06:49.040 --> 1:06:51.200 the PA. She was in the seed. She was saying 1:06:51.240 --> 1:06:56.600 that she heard the whole interview. She was with the ballad, 1:06:58.880 --> 1:07:01.480 but she was listening to us. So I just think 1:07:01.520 --> 1:07:05.280 they got they got excited, Yeah, they got excited. One 1:07:05.440 --> 1:07:07.200 it's one's brown scared and it's one of the real 1:07:07.280 --> 1:07:10.120 real dog okay, one of them. All up was listening 1:07:10.120 --> 1:07:12.720 to the whole interview, like so I just think like 1:07:13.160 --> 1:07:14.680 we didn't know the weight of the whole thing because 1:07:14.720 --> 1:07:16.120 we had never been there. Like look back on it 1:07:16.200 --> 1:07:18.560 makes sense. But that's since the palace saying holds the 1:07:18.600 --> 1:07:20.760 ready to go. But none of that was planned. It's 1:07:20.760 --> 1:07:22.640 that we booked in advance, like when we come out, 1:07:23.120 --> 1:07:26.000 we're gonna do whatever. I was determined with Sam telling 1:07:26.080 --> 1:07:28.600 be Dot, I'm scared of things, gonna change his mind. 1:07:28.720 --> 1:07:31.560 He's done it before. We ain't hitting until we touched down, 1:07:31.840 --> 1:07:33.880 Like we just landed. What's good what we're doing? Like 1:07:34.760 --> 1:07:36.640 him said, yea, So we landed, and so what we did? 1:07:36.680 --> 1:07:39.400 We landed, gotten the rent of car, beat us driving. 1:07:39.400 --> 1:07:41.000 I'm like, let's en, um, let's see what we're doing, Like, 1:07:41.080 --> 1:07:44.080 let's try to see. I wanted to get the clearance 1:07:44.120 --> 1:07:45.960 to pull up to his crib and get it done. 1:07:46.640 --> 1:07:49.080 And then he wanted the location. So with scrambling right 1:07:49.160 --> 1:07:52.400 Nation the Malibu and Malibu. So man happened and then 1:07:52.440 --> 1:07:54.480 all things we were setting up and it had the 1:07:54.520 --> 1:07:56.720 door open with the ocean and the breeze and the 1:07:56.760 --> 1:07:59.240 ship popping, and it was so dope and lush, and 1:07:59.320 --> 1:08:01.160 it was like no, but when we stopped filming, you know, 1:08:02.240 --> 1:08:05.760 we got to close the door because so when he 1:08:05.920 --> 1:08:08.280 came in though Nigga's got so stra truck, they forgot, 1:08:08.560 --> 1:08:14.360 they forgot. So I was like, yo, running camera running again. 1:08:14.560 --> 1:08:16.679 But the thing that's great about it is that we hope. 1:08:16.760 --> 1:08:19.240 What what's great about hope is that you know, we 1:08:19.439 --> 1:08:21.000 we both have a great lection with him and we've 1:08:21.040 --> 1:08:23.040 had an ups and downs and he's a real nigger. 1:08:23.120 --> 1:08:24.960 We can really battle with him about certain things. But 1:08:25.840 --> 1:08:28.400 he didn't set parameters. He was like, Yo, I'm gonna, 1:08:28.880 --> 1:08:31.400 I'm gonna, I'm gonna submit to the process. He had 1:08:31.439 --> 1:08:33.320 the power that you may never see it like he's 1:08:33.320 --> 1:08:37.680 in control ultimately, but he gave into the situation and 1:08:37.760 --> 1:08:39.880 get kept und So it wasn't that you can't ask 1:08:39.920 --> 1:08:42.639 me about salonage elevator, so be that, you know, beabout 1:08:42.680 --> 1:08:44.800 the shooting. He should go for it, hena. So we 1:08:44.920 --> 1:08:47.280 got all that stuff and it's just like and then 1:08:47.320 --> 1:08:48.680 when I mean when I sent it to because that 1:08:48.800 --> 1:08:51.000 sense of approval, he had no changes. He didn't touch him. 1:08:51.040 --> 1:08:53.120 He looked at it. So that's the hunt thing about like, 1:08:53.200 --> 1:08:56.680 you know, he's bad about ny To outside of that, 1:08:57.720 --> 1:08:59.719 you know, I asked jay Z, you know the infamous 1:09:00.200 --> 1:09:02.679 ninety two breaks at the fallback? He said, will never change? 1:09:02.720 --> 1:09:04.680 I actually, you know, what's the story behind that? And 1:09:04.760 --> 1:09:07.479 he really gave the story and I was like, Yo, 1:09:07.560 --> 1:09:10.559 this is this is great, this internet goal. Like everyone's 1:09:10.640 --> 1:09:13.360 like we made it, you know. So when the inter 1:09:13.400 --> 1:09:15.880 OFEW came out and that part wasn't there, I said, 1:09:16.240 --> 1:09:18.479 what the fun is going on? And I'm like, I 1:09:18.560 --> 1:09:21.200 hit Yo, the ninetoo breaks you wanted to fall back? 1:09:21.280 --> 1:09:25.320 He was like, na, that was all Elliott, you take 1:09:25.360 --> 1:09:28.519 it out. I was like out. I was like, I'm reading, 1:09:28.560 --> 1:09:33.920 like not Elliott. But he made the right decision impression 1:09:40.479 --> 1:09:44.360 that was so bad? But but why would you do that? Yeah? 1:09:44.439 --> 1:09:46.920 Why the funk would you do? It didn't fit the 1:09:46.920 --> 1:09:49.720 whole FOURT four ship And then it wasn't like track 1:09:49.760 --> 1:09:52.040 seventies some one ninety two bricks. The fun thing is 1:09:52.120 --> 1:09:54.280 that after we did that, the thing is round about 1:09:54.280 --> 1:09:57.639 the bricks all over again, like talking about that too, 1:09:57.680 --> 1:09:59.280 Like he's talking about the brakes all over again. What 1:09:59.360 --> 1:10:01.400 made even work really pissed me off at the ELI 1:10:01.479 --> 1:10:03.559 didn't tell me and had the talent was wrong. Okay, 1:10:04.040 --> 1:10:10.640 I see you now so now when my dad, but 1:10:10.920 --> 1:10:15.320 I see I see them loading up man loading up. No, 1:10:15.520 --> 1:10:18.080 but but at that point, I definitely, I definitely have 1:10:18.160 --> 1:10:21.000 conversated you before I make it sision like it was 1:10:21.080 --> 1:10:26.320 a great experience. I still can't believe we did that, 1:10:26.520 --> 1:10:29.360 Like that ship is like it was like, like, no, 1:10:29.560 --> 1:10:30.880 you know what, I've been doing this for a minute. 1:10:31.800 --> 1:10:33.960 Fact that the fact that you don't know how hard 1:10:34.040 --> 1:10:36.599 it is to pull out the fucking camp first off 1:10:36.680 --> 1:10:38.920 that side of the room, because you remember, you gotta 1:10:38.920 --> 1:10:40.880 walk in and go to the rank, so that side 1:10:40.880 --> 1:10:43.880 of the room is only where they even allowed. But 1:10:44.720 --> 1:10:47.160 it's like this, you're not gonna this. So when I 1:10:47.280 --> 1:10:54.600 when I'm not really realized that first, yeah, because I 1:10:54.680 --> 1:10:57.800 get you don't get cross to that. Why come up? 1:10:57.840 --> 1:11:00.320 You know why? You know why? I believe even if 1:11:00.360 --> 1:11:02.160 we try to be black and excellent. So getting a 1:11:02.200 --> 1:11:05.200 hold is one thing, but getting him in that location 1:11:05.760 --> 1:11:08.360 meant so much more to me because I had just 1:11:08.520 --> 1:11:11.639 became a member and I was like you they told 1:11:11.680 --> 1:11:18.320 me that ship because we took a photograph after and 1:11:18.760 --> 1:11:21.280 in the picture there's like this clip picture over the 1:11:21.360 --> 1:11:24.840 clip it a little and said, we took the pictures 1:11:26.680 --> 1:11:39.439 like yeah, right three times. I didn't know it was 1:11:40.360 --> 1:11:45.439 malib something about the pictures. I said, there's something, there's 1:11:45.479 --> 1:11:49.320 something that's ringing at me. And then I'm going removable 1:11:49.360 --> 1:11:51.560 and I'm walking through. And I walked through because I 1:11:51.640 --> 1:11:54.519 called the Kendrick lamarble when I'm like, kid, I really 1:11:54.560 --> 1:12:11.360 be in a teez motherfucker's I I see that. I'm 1:12:11.360 --> 1:12:14.439 going right now. The thing and the thing. The thing 1:12:14.600 --> 1:12:17.040 is to hear y'all say this story is amazing even 1:12:17.160 --> 1:12:20.400 more to me because I'm thinking you're playing that months 1:12:20.439 --> 1:12:25.200 in events the same day. It was like they didn't 1:12:25.200 --> 1:12:28.080 know what he was walking into. Jay said, just do 1:12:28.200 --> 1:12:31.000 it there, but he did to me use that room, 1:12:31.520 --> 1:12:33.519 setting up that way, half the food, the whole thing, 1:12:33.640 --> 1:12:36.000 like you didn't know. Okay, now, Will Smith, you guys 1:12:36.040 --> 1:12:39.479 found the stunt on us earlier when he dropped the 1:12:39.479 --> 1:12:42.960 Will Smith that was that was fun. No, but yeah, 1:12:43.080 --> 1:12:44.479 because we looked at the thing was like, I was 1:12:44.520 --> 1:12:47.879 determined to make the whole title run different than the CBS. 1:12:48.520 --> 1:12:50.679 So let's just do black and white because it feels classic. 1:12:50.760 --> 1:12:53.120 It's a way to reinvent um. And then but with 1:12:53.240 --> 1:12:55.280 the title one, they had setting up this Will Smith 1:12:55.360 --> 1:12:58.360 one in Budapest. They had picked us location and the 1:12:58.439 --> 1:13:00.439 blue there was like all my production cool was like 1:13:00.720 --> 1:13:03.080 the colors. I was like, yore black and white. I 1:13:03.120 --> 1:13:04.559 would be dead in all the time now that were 1:13:04.600 --> 1:13:06.280 black and white. But there was like no cut. They 1:13:06.320 --> 1:13:07.679 showed me the picture of it. I was like, guys, 1:13:07.720 --> 1:13:15.920 how what's that story? So Will Smith shooting a movie right, 1:13:16.000 --> 1:13:17.800 and he's going to be in Budapest for like a 1:13:17.840 --> 1:13:20.160 month or two. This is the Genie movie. No, it 1:13:20.240 --> 1:13:23.439 was something else, so not a last he trying to 1:13:23.520 --> 1:13:26.760 kill himself. It's something coming out soon. I think they're 1:13:26.800 --> 1:13:30.080 using that technology where he's like looks really young or whatever. Okay, yeah, 1:13:33.200 --> 1:13:35.439 that's that movie. So he's out there filming, and um 1:13:35.640 --> 1:13:37.320 we were actually trying to get him for like a year, 1:13:37.479 --> 1:13:39.560 like he's just new the Instagram. And then it was 1:13:39.600 --> 1:13:41.720 finally like he's going to be in Budapest shooting this movie. 1:13:42.160 --> 1:13:44.320 He's stuck here, Like he's stuck here for him because 1:13:44.360 --> 1:13:46.080 he travels a lot. That Nigg is like always like 1:13:46.120 --> 1:13:48.240 did he live on his best life for exactly? But 1:13:48.320 --> 1:13:50.200 there was like he got a film for these three 1:13:50.240 --> 1:13:53.720 to six weeks he's locked in Budapest. You know, could 1:13:53.760 --> 1:13:55.880 you pick these weekends? Like you can't pick this like 1:13:56.040 --> 1:13:58.400 memorial their weekend or whatever. So I picked the weekend 1:13:58.439 --> 1:14:00.120 and we made it. That was playing out with bit 1:14:00.200 --> 1:14:02.920 More was like finally got listen, if we're willing to 1:14:03.040 --> 1:14:04.840 take the flight and go out there and get it done, 1:14:04.960 --> 1:14:06.960 let's go get it done. So we went all the 1:14:07.040 --> 1:14:11.040 way to Hungary. Was not about eight hours, eight nine hours, 1:14:11.520 --> 1:14:14.360 and we did that at his hotel that was at 1:14:14.360 --> 1:14:16.519 the fourth Seasons. But even he was impressed when he 1:14:16.600 --> 1:14:18.080 came out the way we had it set up and 1:14:18.360 --> 1:14:20.240 that's like the lobby or like a secret room in 1:14:20.320 --> 1:14:22.800 that hotel he was staying at. So his hotel was 1:14:22.880 --> 1:14:25.280 you know more six star like some other ship. But 1:14:25.439 --> 1:14:27.680 we turned that whole set up the production crews like 1:14:27.760 --> 1:14:29.519 you see it like this thing. You know that ship 1:14:29.600 --> 1:14:33.160 is important. You know the thing you know you got 1:14:33.200 --> 1:14:35.519 you got on the shot. You saw him at the 1:14:35.880 --> 1:14:38.559 Nickelodeon Awards with the Nickelodeon a War, and I've seen 1:14:38.640 --> 1:14:42.200 him at the the ship that he had on Netflix. 1:14:42.360 --> 1:14:46.679 Oh yeah, the premier for the Alien the Zombie movie 1:14:46.720 --> 1:14:48.800 and Ship and that ship blew me away because you 1:14:48.840 --> 1:14:54.559 know I'm from left brack City, right yeah, right brack 1:14:54.640 --> 1:14:58.840 City section two. Um, I really don't never think I'm famous. 1:14:58.880 --> 1:15:01.640 I never thought I was famous that all. And so 1:15:02.360 --> 1:15:04.080 that's why it's easy for me to do Dream Champs. 1:15:04.160 --> 1:15:06.120 It's easy for me to give people props in the set, 1:15:06.160 --> 1:15:08.639 props like I don't like to be picked up. Pause, 1:15:09.040 --> 1:15:12.320 Like I like, I'm better at big in somebody else out. 1:15:13.400 --> 1:15:15.760 So I see Will and he had to break for me. 1:15:15.800 --> 1:15:18.400 He's like, you know, what's up? And I said, Will Smith, 1:15:18.439 --> 1:15:23.840 you don't know. It was shocking because I thought I 1:15:23.920 --> 1:15:26.080 had to. I had through somebody whispered to his ear 1:15:26.120 --> 1:15:28.160 and said, yea, that's Gnory right there. But he turned 1:15:28.200 --> 1:15:29.479 and he said, you know it, what's ups? So I'm 1:15:29.560 --> 1:15:32.360 looking for the person. Yeah, I'm like, no, you don't 1:15:32.360 --> 1:15:35.240 know what's up. And I don't know if he said nigga, 1:15:35.240 --> 1:15:42.880 but in my sounds, I game five and ship the 1:15:42.960 --> 1:15:45.519 room and I forgot what he said to me. But anyway, 1:15:45.600 --> 1:15:54.880 moving on, Yeah, hold that get just shot the So 1:15:55.520 --> 1:15:57.680 the other part of this is I'm in that l 1:15:57.760 --> 1:16:02.120 a um, I don't. I hate red carpets. I don't 1:16:02.120 --> 1:16:04.840 know if you guys have ever people in red carpets. Yeah, yeah, 1:16:05.600 --> 1:16:14.200 it's probably. It's probably like five maybe seven of me 1:16:14.360 --> 1:16:16.720 walking the red carpets, and I guarantee you it was 1:16:16.800 --> 1:16:18.800 the time where I had no control of my career. 1:16:19.200 --> 1:16:22.880 It's Chris body seriously right there, like keep walking like 1:16:23.800 --> 1:16:25.880 the Scott or somebody like like that. Because I just 1:16:25.960 --> 1:16:29.560 hate red carpets. I've never understood the position of it, 1:16:29.680 --> 1:16:31.920 like you know, stand there, you're you know, we look here, 1:16:32.800 --> 1:16:35.400 you know, look here, look at like why can't I 1:16:35.439 --> 1:16:37.880 look one place? Everybody take the one fucking picture and 1:16:37.920 --> 1:16:39.840 let me keep it moving. So I never understood it. 1:16:40.800 --> 1:16:42.760 So I go through the thing. They bring me these 1:16:42.800 --> 1:16:45.360 passes for the Nickelodeon ship. So when they go to 1:16:45.400 --> 1:16:47.200 the thing and they're like, yo, um, can you go 1:16:47.240 --> 1:16:49.160 to the red carpet? So it's just me, my wife 1:16:49.200 --> 1:16:52.759 and my son, and I literally had a panic attack 1:16:52.880 --> 1:16:56.160 right here and there. I was like what red carpet? 1:16:56.400 --> 1:16:59.519 I don't know, like and then the lady looked at 1:16:59.560 --> 1:17:04.120 me like okay, just flipped like like I don't really 1:17:04.160 --> 1:17:06.160 the red carpet. So as what I'm saying, I said, 1:17:06.280 --> 1:17:08.400 let me walk the other way. So as I walked 1:17:08.439 --> 1:17:11.920 the other way, the first person I see is will 1:17:12.000 --> 1:17:14.640 Smith and he goes. He did to me again, what's up? 1:17:14.720 --> 1:17:26.040 Nor gave me a five? And this is the crazy shit. Also, 1:17:26.840 --> 1:17:29.160 I also don't think none of these young niggas know me. 1:17:30.680 --> 1:17:35.160 So me goes walked right behind me, and I swear 1:17:35.200 --> 1:17:37.679 to God, I don't even save up to the ogs. 1:17:37.760 --> 1:17:39.720 You don't say what up to me? I literally don't 1:17:39.720 --> 1:17:45.120 give coach k and and and P come to me 1:17:45.160 --> 1:17:48.760 yourself something. But I wasn't gonna say nothing to I 1:17:48.760 --> 1:17:50.720 don't want to know. I'm not Joe. Butden, you know 1:17:50.760 --> 1:17:58.120 I ain't hating you know, I don't hear so so? 1:17:58.360 --> 1:18:08.400 And then what's is? Cardiv man? What's up? Nori says 1:18:08.439 --> 1:18:10.760 that it but he said what's uping? And I looked 1:18:10.800 --> 1:18:12.400 at the nigger because he was too far from me 1:18:12.479 --> 1:18:14.880 to reach y'all in the vibe. And then my son 1:18:15.080 --> 1:18:16.800 was like, then he would turn around. My son was like, 1:18:24.800 --> 1:18:29.240 give me is excited. He said, I'm like, he's some 1:18:29.400 --> 1:18:35.760 ho shoe. I'm not. No, I ain't gonna lie. I 1:18:35.920 --> 1:18:40.160 liked it that because he he didn't have to do that. 1:18:40.360 --> 1:18:42.240 He looked at me and he could have easily turned 1:18:42.280 --> 1:18:46.719 around and be like whatever. You know. Yeah, we actually 1:18:46.800 --> 1:18:48.800 didn't try to be using for the whole crew. But 1:18:49.080 --> 1:18:52.120 what I want to say is the reason why most 1:18:52.160 --> 1:18:54.679 O g s don't give the young uns their respect 1:18:54.800 --> 1:18:56.759 is because we don't think that we have their respect. 1:18:57.640 --> 1:18:59.599 So I would rather not. I would rather not because 1:18:59.640 --> 1:19:01.200 I was up to school you. But if I feel 1:19:01.200 --> 1:19:02.559 like you're gonna school me, you think that you've got 1:19:02.600 --> 1:19:05.600 a bigger chain on than me, because you might. Some 1:19:05.680 --> 1:19:07.200 of these guys might even have more money than me, 1:19:07.240 --> 1:19:10.080 while you have the longevity. You know what I'm saying, 1:19:10.080 --> 1:19:11.320 You might have better work to me. You might have 1:19:11.439 --> 1:19:13.759 better client telling me, But are you gonna stay outside 1:19:13.800 --> 1:19:18.680 as long as me? I'm staying outside all day. I 1:19:18.760 --> 1:19:21.160 didn't go on this side when it rain, I'm going 1:19:21.280 --> 1:19:27.800 on rain skins when it thunderstorms. Don't getting under the thunderstorm. Yeah, 1:19:29.280 --> 1:19:32.759 when it's hot, out of playing, Skelly, I'm doing everything 1:19:33.439 --> 1:19:35.559 you said. When you see I always say some people 1:19:35.600 --> 1:19:37.880 on bill for it. You know what you mean? That man? 1:19:37.920 --> 1:19:39.880 You sad like when you see like what you mean 1:19:40.479 --> 1:19:42.080 like I would like to break it down. I know 1:19:42.200 --> 1:19:44.120 exactly what you mean. I would like you to bring 1:19:44.160 --> 1:19:46.960 it down because there's so many talented brothers that don't 1:19:47.080 --> 1:19:50.080 take their talent as serious. But thing is, the thing 1:19:50.280 --> 1:19:54.000 is I noticed a cliche to say, but you know, uh, 1:19:54.800 --> 1:19:58.880 talent out beast people who's busy workers were working. You 1:19:58.960 --> 1:20:01.880 know it's gonna out work people with with with five 1:20:02.000 --> 1:20:06.320 six like I love it. I love I love to 1:20:07.040 --> 1:20:08.479 you know, just wake up in the morning and just 1:20:08.640 --> 1:20:12.639 think about more the every every great idea I ever had. 1:20:12.760 --> 1:20:15.559 I co signed it in the morning. I co signed 1:20:15.640 --> 1:20:18.040 at five like this thought. This guy was telling me 1:20:18.080 --> 1:20:21.280 to do a podcast for so long that right, and 1:20:21.720 --> 1:20:23.519 I couldn't see his vision until I woke up in 1:20:23.600 --> 1:20:25.599 the morning. And I probably him like four or thirty 1:20:25.600 --> 1:20:27.639 in the morning. He's probably like, what is this problem? 1:20:28.360 --> 1:20:31.719 Every morning I waked up, I put my ship on airpin, 1:20:32.200 --> 1:20:36.479 I turned on I don't text. I said, I ready 1:20:36.479 --> 1:20:44.160 for me to rap radar man, thank you for coming 1:20:44.200 --> 1:20:50.200 out before we get out. Why can we do this? 1:20:50.400 --> 1:20:51.680 Why don't get a nigger like you to do the 1:20:51.760 --> 1:21:00.360 national And I wanted to serious, I do want to 1:21:00.400 --> 1:21:10.560 know that yo, you know what um you know m 1:21:11.240 --> 1:21:19.320 hip hop raw Flush album two times? What a shame? 1:21:19.880 --> 1:21:28.559 And I stand medallions h to be told raw artests 1:21:29.520 --> 1:21:34.160 and Capone or fucking related. Wait wait, slow that I 1:21:34.240 --> 1:21:43.160 can't Capone and raw artests all fucking related, Like that's insane. 1:21:46.479 --> 1:21:51.000 So was supposed to be on the Roy Flush album? Yeah? 1:21:51.479 --> 1:21:54.000 I did ice that Medallions, I did that. That was 1:21:54.840 --> 1:21:56.439 that was my well when you did what a shame? 1:21:56.560 --> 1:21:59.240 Like this thing is really going in. Yeah, you gotta 1:21:59.280 --> 1:22:01.960 remember that was an easy LPB easy LP did most 1:22:01.960 --> 1:22:05.800 of Yeah, he did bloody money he did. I forget 1:22:05.880 --> 1:22:09.200 how much he did. So I'll go back to being 1:22:09.200 --> 1:22:11.559 an interview. So I was okay, that was actually supposed 1:22:11.560 --> 1:22:14.920 to be capone Okay, and you know I was the 1:22:15.000 --> 1:22:18.320 next best person to go to, uh Warrior Flush. But 1:22:18.439 --> 1:22:20.560 I didn't know about Warrior Flush at the time. Was 1:22:20.640 --> 1:22:23.840 he was? He was? He was a real street dude 1:22:23.880 --> 1:22:27.040 like he was. He was the guy back in Mike Geronimo. 1:22:27.160 --> 1:22:29.479 Mike Geronimo was a lot of people don't know a 1:22:29.560 --> 1:22:34.320 lot of overlook I was yesterday, but she was real. 1:22:34.479 --> 1:22:38.360 It was nas and it was Mike right here, bro, 1:22:38.560 --> 1:22:41.120 he's nipping at him right. It was really like listen, listen. 1:22:41.280 --> 1:22:45.000 It was like I listened. Even when when he com 1:22:45.200 --> 1:22:47.960 big al was bigger than NAS at the time when 1:22:48.000 --> 1:22:52.240 its Colombia, like in that building that records, No you 1:22:52.320 --> 1:22:55.200 want to Columbia Records. At that time they signed big 1:22:55.400 --> 1:22:59.760 l direct and they got NAS, so they didn't know 1:22:59.840 --> 1:23:03.280 that vision yet big It was all about big Elig label. 1:23:04.000 --> 1:23:05.920 I was never No, don't know what I'm saying. That 1:23:06.400 --> 1:23:08.000 he was the guy. The reason it was great about 1:23:08.080 --> 1:23:10.519 Naz is ascension before the Alematic. I agree with him 1:23:10.520 --> 1:23:12.200 a little bit more, even more that he's agreeing with 1:23:12.280 --> 1:23:13.880 it when you're the guy at the label and the 1:23:14.000 --> 1:23:20.439 label is the label. Yeah, because Halftime, because Columbia was 1:23:20.479 --> 1:23:24.840 a force to be record like this, So they was 1:23:24.880 --> 1:23:27.599 about big el Nas was the side rough house he goes. 1:23:27.920 --> 1:23:29.840 There were certain labels at that time that you knew. 1:23:29.920 --> 1:23:32.240 You go there, you blow. That jam has always been 1:23:32.280 --> 1:23:35.519 that label. They're just now losing that steam just now. 1:23:35.720 --> 1:23:37.840 No dispect to them. I loved them, but they're just 1:23:38.040 --> 1:23:40.360 now losing that steam in the scope has always been 1:23:40.360 --> 1:23:43.240 that label. But they always had sixteen artists that gear 1:23:43.360 --> 1:23:45.840 that didn't work as well. They had six that fucking 1:23:45.960 --> 1:23:48.280 went through the fucking roof so much. But the other 1:23:48.360 --> 1:23:50.560 six teams you just forgot about these people balance that 1:23:50.760 --> 1:23:54.240 that that they were. And but now moving on to 1:23:54.320 --> 1:23:59.360 me changing stuff, you gotta start wrapped radar and you 1:23:59.520 --> 1:24:03.639 guys are backed by Paul Rosenberg, Yeah, and Eminem. How 1:24:03.720 --> 1:24:07.000 then do not Eminem? Technically? I don't know, but you know, 1:24:07.240 --> 1:24:10.640 and the site to be specific because here and he 1:24:10.720 --> 1:24:13.639 was a little more hefty. Yeah, it's okay, but it's 1:24:13.640 --> 1:24:19.240 is Eminem's money somehow, somehow, how even how do you 1:24:19.280 --> 1:24:21.519 guys even get that meeting? How does that even set 1:24:21.600 --> 1:24:25.880 up to? I think that's an elliot question because the 1:24:26.120 --> 1:24:28.519 turning point was when we did them and this is 1:24:28.560 --> 1:24:32.360 a website, it's not a magazine, but it's not hard fifty. 1:24:32.680 --> 1:24:35.240 So we saw the supporting fifty when fifty was running 1:24:35.240 --> 1:24:38.880 the underground the mixtape ship was phenomenal. That running went 1:24:38.960 --> 1:24:42.120 on before he signed a shady aftermath. The site supporting fifties, 1:24:42.439 --> 1:24:47.400 huh the site when you're saying, when you're supporting fifty site, 1:24:47.520 --> 1:24:51.360 magazine whatever, like already no, no, I'm giving you the 1:24:51.400 --> 1:24:55.360 whole how guess to Paul Rosenberg. So it really started 1:24:55.400 --> 1:25:00.679 with fifty I credit fifty like documented fifties rods, underground, dominating, 1:25:00.920 --> 1:25:05.120 come back after the after the getting shot, dominating the underground, 1:25:06.040 --> 1:25:08.599 running the game, and then he signs with he signs 1:25:08.640 --> 1:25:11.479 with Shady Aftermath. So it's like, damn, like we had 1:25:11.520 --> 1:25:13.000 a good report with him. He was putting in the 1:25:13.080 --> 1:25:15.240 magazine every month. I was like, he's probably not gonna 1:25:15.439 --> 1:25:18.160 us because at the time EXXL didn't mess actually said 1:25:18.200 --> 1:25:19.960 I had to be foot the eminem before I got there, 1:25:20.040 --> 1:25:22.560 and I wasn't able to squash it. So he was 1:25:22.640 --> 1:25:27.760 pro source at that time. So I was like, aftermath 1:25:27.960 --> 1:25:34.519 of the Shady Aftermath finished, who would have thy? Right? Yeah? 1:25:34.960 --> 1:25:38.720 So um, I was like fifties bowling up. But he's 1:25:38.720 --> 1:25:40.680 gonna like say, he can't sunk with us once he 1:25:40.720 --> 1:25:43.000 signs with them, they're gonna sunk with us. But when 1:25:43.040 --> 1:25:46.519 he when he popped off Noah, callahand Bever who's at 1:25:46.520 --> 1:25:48.000 death and now too, he says the me, me and 1:25:48.040 --> 1:25:51.719 Paul was first Paul Rosenberg and was like he wanted 1:25:51.720 --> 1:25:54.400 the comics at the time, you know, he was he 1:25:54.479 --> 1:25:57.280 was freelancing. He wont the never story, the whole fifty 1:25:57.320 --> 1:25:59.680 cent Eminem Dr Drake cover xx L. He wrote the 1:25:59.680 --> 1:26:01.160 cover US or you know, I just found out No, 1:26:01.240 --> 1:26:03.920 it was a journalist. Always thought he was like a 1:26:03.960 --> 1:26:06.960 blogger complex. I had no idea he was the guy 1:26:07.000 --> 1:26:09.280 that was yeah, so like keep did that cover and 1:26:09.360 --> 1:26:11.000 like that was the beginning of me and pools Burg 1:26:11.080 --> 1:26:13.439 having to sit down where it was like I was 1:26:13.520 --> 1:26:15.479 only trying to get a fifty cent cover. He's like, 1:26:15.520 --> 1:26:19.240 how you want em? And Dr Dre I'm like, let's go. 1:26:19.560 --> 1:26:21.640 So the thing is when I got when I got 1:26:22.040 --> 1:26:24.240 fired from a double XXL, Paul hit me up Poars 1:26:24.320 --> 1:26:27.160 and burg Eminem's partner hit me up and said, you know, 1:26:27.240 --> 1:26:29.160 your voice is missing from the culture, Like what's your 1:26:29.240 --> 1:26:31.479 next step? What are we gonna do? At the time, 1:26:31.600 --> 1:26:38.400 Peress Hilton represented the whole gossip, so he's like, that 1:26:38.479 --> 1:26:41.200 could be you. You could be the Elliott Wilson. You're 1:26:41.240 --> 1:26:43.200 the voice of hip hop, your voice. Everybody should read 1:26:43.200 --> 1:26:45.720 your editorials. Your voice is missing. You could be the 1:26:45.800 --> 1:26:47.960 gatekeeper of hip hop, and you could be like, what's 1:26:48.000 --> 1:26:50.280 your voice. That's how we came up with rad That's 1:26:50.280 --> 1:26:52.160 how it began, and then we stout to be dot. 1:26:52.640 --> 1:27:05.800 We met and Georgia yea quez right now. It used 1:27:05.800 --> 1:27:11.360 to be that movie did it right there? Come okay, 1:27:11.400 --> 1:27:13.559 siss down the block ail you get eat God damnit. 1:27:17.479 --> 1:27:19.200 Georgia died and he's like, hey, I want to start 1:27:19.240 --> 1:27:21.040 a website. You know, it's weird because it's like two 1:27:21.080 --> 1:27:24.040 thousand and eight. There is no Instagram right Twitters in 1:27:24.080 --> 1:27:27.439 its infancy, and the source had just lost tons of 1:27:27.960 --> 1:27:30.160 on the website, the recessions about to hit. It was 1:27:30.160 --> 1:27:31.600 a lot of things going on. And it's like with 1:27:31.680 --> 1:27:34.679 the dot com dot com. Remember they're like the first 1:27:34.720 --> 1:27:39.320 people that dot com was the first. Everything first, and 1:27:39.600 --> 1:27:41.680 you know, we come from journalists. Background journalist at the 1:27:41.720 --> 1:27:43.280 time used to look down on the website and the 1:27:43.360 --> 1:27:46.559 internet essentially saying go from journalists to a blog. Yeah, 1:27:46.560 --> 1:27:49.559 and I was like a website. We didn't have a name, 1:27:49.640 --> 1:27:51.040 but you know it was like all right, I trust you. 1:27:51.240 --> 1:27:53.439 We're gonna make this happen. What they just told men 1:27:53.479 --> 1:28:02.040 bleak about that's hard to hold other stories, but anywhere 1:28:02.040 --> 1:28:06.000 we're gonna play that right now forget. So a week 1:28:06.080 --> 1:28:07.439 later we had to meet with Paul. He was like, 1:28:07.520 --> 1:28:09.640 I got the name of the website called right up. 1:28:09.640 --> 1:28:11.960 Paul thought of the name. Yeah, I was hoping all 1:28:12.000 --> 1:28:15.320 the names shout out and I was like, I never 1:28:15.400 --> 1:28:17.760 thought that. And it's like, you see the reason for 1:28:17.840 --> 1:28:19.839 the name. It was a bunch of names, like it's 1:28:19.880 --> 1:28:22.160 one of like a generic kind of like one of 1:28:22.200 --> 1:28:24.439 the that that sounded like it already had been out, 1:28:24.560 --> 1:28:26.400 Like it wasn't like a new ship. That's true. We 1:28:26.439 --> 1:28:28.280 said rap raid of? You said what authorities like it 1:28:28.360 --> 1:28:32.400 already existed. We just started it sucked you, which was like, 1:28:32.520 --> 1:28:35.519 oh ship, Like so you guys have these websites. You 1:28:35.640 --> 1:28:37.720 all look cool your blog like she is popping. But 1:28:38.240 --> 1:28:41.840 his rap raid off, it's changed, game has changed, tagline quick, 1:28:43.560 --> 1:28:49.040 household aggression. And you know we we we've settled on 1:28:49.080 --> 1:28:51.160 a date to launch at March night, which was Biggies 1:28:51.479 --> 1:28:54.400 passing of BRG and you know the rest of history 1:28:54.439 --> 1:28:56.760 have been at it ever since ten years right off, 1:28:58.520 --> 1:29:04.599 God damn it, God damn. What what does that backing 1:29:04.720 --> 1:29:07.799 look like? You know, to give me very much specific, 1:29:08.880 --> 1:29:13.880 it's like it's with a budget. You know, we had 1:29:13.920 --> 1:29:16.800 a we had a space. I was so and it 1:29:16.880 --> 1:29:18.280 was what he next. He was there for like six 1:29:18.400 --> 1:29:20.320 years and then I guess the rank got too damn high. 1:29:20.760 --> 1:29:23.320 What was the coach like compulside, I'm saying it was 1:29:23.560 --> 1:29:25.960 him like literally investing in it. Yeah it was, Yeah 1:29:26.040 --> 1:29:27.479 he was. That's that's what I mean. I don't I 1:29:27.560 --> 1:29:30.080 don't need to know what the fun Yeah, he like 1:29:30.360 --> 1:29:32.759 I'm back in this and then you got are discussing 1:29:32.840 --> 1:29:36.160 what it takes to make it work. Absolutely a real 1:29:36.240 --> 1:29:38.040 partner in that sense, and I appreciate that like him, 1:29:38.120 --> 1:29:43.880 he took a losses, took his chances like in that 1:29:44.000 --> 1:29:46.640 world because literally is he evolved because I wanted to 1:29:46.640 --> 1:29:50.240 be a big or just just wrap right of surpassive partner. 1:29:50.240 --> 1:29:52.720 I mean everything wrap Radar is still a partnership with 1:29:52.760 --> 1:29:55.880 me and him. Okay, the brand is still partnership. Yeah, 1:29:56.080 --> 1:29:59.560 that's dope. That's dope. Appreciate he's respectful. But like the 1:29:59.640 --> 1:30:02.360 thing great about rap Radars it's becoming the podcast. And 1:30:02.439 --> 1:30:04.600 you know, I credit the guy's vision. You saw the 1:30:04.720 --> 1:30:07.320 vision before me about the podcasting to rap rate of 1:30:07.439 --> 1:30:14.519 podcast that was like, yeah, I was a SOMERF. I'm like, 1:30:14.640 --> 1:30:16.479 I don't see it because like you know, I p 1:30:16.640 --> 1:30:18.400 combat Jack. I was like, I don't want to look 1:30:18.439 --> 1:30:20.439 like I'm trying to like like want to set the 1:30:20.479 --> 1:30:23.559 bar in the beginning, and then Combat was doing his thing. 1:30:23.880 --> 1:30:25.599 R I p to him. I was like, I don't 1:30:25.640 --> 1:30:27.439 want to just jump in, look like I'm all greedy 1:30:27.479 --> 1:30:29.880 trying to do a podcast. But beat Out was smart. 1:30:29.960 --> 1:30:31.080 He was like, you know there's a lane for that, 1:30:31.200 --> 1:30:33.120 and like, now, when you think of rap Radar, it's 1:30:33.120 --> 1:30:35.360 about the podcast. So I credit beat Out for making 1:30:35.360 --> 1:30:37.720 it happy. And when you think about it, behind the 1:30:38.320 --> 1:30:40.280 back in the days, the behind the scenes, the dudes 1:30:40.400 --> 1:30:42.800 was just behind the scenes. Yeah, I was the days. 1:30:42.840 --> 1:30:45.000 The behind the scenes dudes have their own you know, 1:30:45.080 --> 1:30:51.360 when it looks like it was a wonderful time, but 1:30:53.280 --> 1:30:57.040 you were doing bad. You was doing rus because when 1:30:57.040 --> 1:30:58.640 we brought up fifty to you, he was like, he 1:30:59.040 --> 1:31:08.400 did not like it was what's about? I think it 1:31:08.520 --> 1:31:13.920 was Chass bless the chatd I think you did an 1:31:13.960 --> 1:31:17.679 interview with Chaz. It wasn't just that blah black hair chairs. 1:31:19.080 --> 1:31:21.360 Here's the thing anything, It's funny when people talk about 1:31:21.600 --> 1:31:26.240 um rappers like someone soul doesn't like you. Rappers don't 1:31:26.320 --> 1:31:30.960 like media, so it's like, so like the thing about him, 1:31:31.160 --> 1:31:34.680 he fifth we didn't have like that rapport. Everything once through, 1:31:34.720 --> 1:31:37.040 Vanessa was all good. It was like, but I got 1:31:37.080 --> 1:31:39.360 no problem, Like I respect for him, like he set 1:31:39.439 --> 1:31:42.240 the whole ship off, like we mean history together, every 1:31:42.280 --> 1:31:45.479 run is phenomenal, like I was. I was. I'm blessing 1:31:45.560 --> 1:31:47.560 honor to be able to document that whole Let me 1:31:47.680 --> 1:31:51.040 straight to the point, because let me just do it 1:31:51.160 --> 1:31:55.640 and do it. That's a journalist, sir, obligated to you, 1:31:57.479 --> 1:32:04.080 obligated to your audience. It's smoke Champs. So I asked 1:32:04.120 --> 1:32:07.559 you not to interview a certain person, and you felt 1:32:07.600 --> 1:32:11.400 obligated to you only because it was responsible something he 1:32:11.520 --> 1:32:13.479 already had said. That's why they got the end of 1:32:14.720 --> 1:32:17.200 what you mean. It means at the time he had 1:32:17.320 --> 1:32:19.720 did something that had piste off that crew, and then 1:32:20.600 --> 1:32:24.560 I gave them to respond to the situation because you know, 1:32:24.720 --> 1:32:26.679 like the thing was like same with the Tupac tupac 1:32:26.800 --> 1:32:31.240 us Vibe. Tupac used Vibe to be his voice, magnify 1:32:31.400 --> 1:32:34.920 his voice about his issues about what this would biggie 1:32:35.000 --> 1:32:37.320 the whole thing. So it's like, do you blame the magazine? 1:32:37.400 --> 1:32:43.559 Do you blame why everybody blames Vibe for the same 1:32:43.640 --> 1:32:45.960 way Jenny and Business and fifty meant that we became 1:32:46.040 --> 1:32:49.080 fifties platform. So when fifty had a problem with somebody, 1:32:49.240 --> 1:32:52.439 it got magnified because double x L would be behind this, 1:32:52.600 --> 1:32:54.960 So I have to catch all the heat that comes 1:32:55.000 --> 1:32:57.519 with that, right, And see the thing about it is 1:32:57.760 --> 1:32:59.519 that's the reason why I don't want to claim myself 1:32:59.560 --> 1:33:01.560 as a journe the list. It's because I want to 1:33:01.640 --> 1:33:04.840 give people. But the basic journalist thing is to cover 1:33:04.960 --> 1:33:08.479 both sides. So if your side, we're not journalism at 1:33:10.920 --> 1:33:13.400 that's crazy about it because even when I did Ray 1:33:13.439 --> 1:33:15.240 and fifty right, it was like, oh, we didn't do it. 1:33:15.560 --> 1:33:19.360 Two months later I did Murdering because Murdering had got favored. 1:33:19.479 --> 1:33:23.600 I got raided by the fans. That's a story. So 1:33:23.720 --> 1:33:25.599 I did the whole bull's eye of the public enemy 1:33:25.680 --> 1:33:27.639 logo Earth Clubs that to this day if you asked 1:33:27.680 --> 1:33:30.280 Earth Earth Clubs that I always got along with Earth, 1:33:30.320 --> 1:33:33.760 I got along with cats. So it's like everybody said, oh, y'all, En, 1:33:33.840 --> 1:33:36.840 let scopes, dick, y'all worked for Jimmy, I v your 1:33:36.880 --> 1:33:39.640 favorite fifty cent And then three months later, after the 1:33:39.680 --> 1:33:41.920 infamous covered, we covered the other side, which is the 1:33:42.040 --> 1:33:44.200 murder ink side of the story. So that's what I 1:33:44.240 --> 1:33:47.559 always tried to do. But I always always favorite Fifth 1:33:47.640 --> 1:33:50.320 because Fifth was dominant of the culture, like he Mazin 1:33:51.520 --> 1:33:54.240 belave it. After that conflict, he did the Curtis was 1:33:54.360 --> 1:33:58.080 Curtis album. Curtis, he wasn't that one that he got 1:33:58.640 --> 1:34:00.680 on his f Elliott Wilson ship. He still did the 1:34:00.720 --> 1:34:02.360 cover and it was all cool. Yeah, he hated you. 1:34:02.800 --> 1:34:07.639 That sum wrong. But because I heard you say one time, 1:34:07.720 --> 1:34:09.479 you said it was hard for you to cover j 1:34:10.200 --> 1:34:12.800 knowing that you and j had became friends at one point, 1:34:13.280 --> 1:34:14.920 Well that was that. That wasn't in the magazine at 1:34:14.960 --> 1:34:16.559 that time. No, No, But what I'm trying to say 1:34:16.720 --> 1:34:19.519 is how hard is that? Because the thing about it is, right, 1:34:20.000 --> 1:34:21.719 I just watched the Love of Hip Hop, not comparing 1:34:21.760 --> 1:34:24.679 you to Jason Lee and no Way form and fashion. 1:34:24.960 --> 1:34:27.200 But Jason Lee is sitting there and he's telling a one. 1:34:27.520 --> 1:34:29.439 He's like, yo, I gotta report that. I probably not. 1:34:29.560 --> 1:34:32.880 You're sucking some other bits, right. So now with me 1:34:33.400 --> 1:34:37.160 with me, I like like that day nas and be 1:34:37.200 --> 1:34:40.720 interview nas Naves could have had his face and a 1:34:40.800 --> 1:34:45.439 stripper's pussy that morning and my artist and with me 1:34:45.640 --> 1:34:48.840 and me would have not asked him that question. That's 1:34:48.880 --> 1:34:51.720 what That's what I distinguishedly makes me not a journalist 1:34:52.000 --> 1:34:55.479 because I would rather protect my artist, but as a journalist, 1:34:55.560 --> 1:35:01.160 that makes me suck. You got. But what I'm trying 1:35:01.200 --> 1:35:03.840 to say to you is because I remember what you're 1:35:03.880 --> 1:35:05.720 saying that about Jay, You're saying it was kind of 1:35:05.800 --> 1:35:07.960 hard to cover him at well to accept that, Like 1:35:08.640 --> 1:35:10.400 I got to accept that we're growing closer and I 1:35:10.439 --> 1:35:13.240 do consider him a friend. But to be the good 1:35:13.280 --> 1:35:15.120 thing about him is that this thick skin. So it's 1:35:15.160 --> 1:35:17.400 like if you think something's white, he wants to have 1:35:17.520 --> 1:35:19.320 that debate with you. It's like you can't like just 1:35:19.439 --> 1:35:22.680 be We're not here to be yes man carrosself a 1:35:22.760 --> 1:35:27.439 certain But that works with Jack, Yeah, it didn't work 1:35:27.479 --> 1:35:31.000 with fifty. Why we never had that report. That's what 1:35:31.160 --> 1:35:34.479 the twisted part about that is is that he never 1:35:34.600 --> 1:35:37.519 liked me. We just did great together. He never liked me. 1:35:37.920 --> 1:35:40.040 We didn't be in a stupn and it was great 1:35:40.320 --> 1:35:44.559 and I appreciate that. Like never like he didn't ask him, 1:35:45.200 --> 1:35:49.360 did you ever like Elliott? But rappers didn't like? Why 1:35:49.400 --> 1:35:52.639 would you like me? I'm fucking media? Rappers don't like media. 1:35:54.160 --> 1:35:57.599 It shot to my journalist my nigger. Like rappers don't 1:35:57.640 --> 1:36:01.280 like a certain extate with people, get you fair articles, 1:36:01.360 --> 1:36:03.760 you start to build up a poor with them. No, 1:36:04.040 --> 1:36:06.760 but that was all. Really believe that's your report with Jay. 1:36:07.120 --> 1:36:12.040 I believe that. But one thing I can tell you, sincerely, Yes, 1:36:12.280 --> 1:36:14.479 I know you believe that Jay is the best artist 1:36:14.520 --> 1:36:17.120 in the world. I know you sincerely believe that. I 1:36:17.240 --> 1:36:19.040 think that If you don't say, if you don't think 1:36:19.120 --> 1:36:21.559 Jay is the greatest of all time, you're just telling 1:36:21.600 --> 1:36:23.720 me who your favorite is of all time, like all 1:36:23.760 --> 1:36:27.679 that fift ship. That ship is depressing to me because 1:36:27.720 --> 1:36:30.920 it's like you're just like you have such a war 1:36:31.120 --> 1:36:33.840 view of hip hop. Of like when you talk about 1:36:33.920 --> 1:36:37.080 the greatest, it comes down to stats. It comes down 1:36:37.160 --> 1:36:40.920 to catalog and comes down the platinum records. It doesn't 1:36:40.960 --> 1:36:44.080 come down to like lyrical, miracle, spiritual. It comes down 1:36:44.160 --> 1:36:47.320 to stats, like with sing basically saying the best artist, 1:36:47.800 --> 1:36:50.000 and that's subjective a certain point, but it's like you 1:36:50.160 --> 1:36:52.040 can't deny that one. It's type a little way to 1:36:52.080 --> 1:36:54.080 win the granby because it's the car the free time, 1:36:54.439 --> 1:36:56.360 We're all gonna clop whether we like him or not, 1:36:56.479 --> 1:36:58.320 because it's a little way it's time he wanted to think. 1:36:58.360 --> 1:37:01.360 So I think that is like this idea of like 1:37:01.600 --> 1:37:05.000 what is your personal favorite and what is the greatest? 1:37:05.120 --> 1:37:07.880 Like we don't control what the greatest is stats, the 1:37:08.000 --> 1:37:09.960 stats like respect and what I'm saying. Some people on 1:37:10.040 --> 1:37:12.840 the different what is greatest mean though it's another thing. 1:37:13.720 --> 1:37:17.000 You're gonna make something personally great to you. It doesn't 1:37:17.040 --> 1:37:19.240 mean it's great, can it be? It's can have been 1:37:19.280 --> 1:37:21.519 more than one. So for jay Z, for jay Z 1:37:21.680 --> 1:37:23.720 to be whatever on the biggest scale, and I think 1:37:23.760 --> 1:37:28.639 so too legible goals, but also think Jordan's a goal. 1:37:28.640 --> 1:37:30.760 I also think bird is a goal and my wrong, 1:37:30.880 --> 1:37:33.840 Magic is a goal. But there's always one validatorian the 1:37:33.880 --> 1:37:36.639 end of the day. Isn't that opinionated though? But it's 1:37:36.680 --> 1:37:41.200 it's generational And he's saying but and that's true. But 1:37:41.520 --> 1:37:43.439 but but at the end of the day, isn't it 1:37:43.520 --> 1:37:46.200 what you prefer? I think it's all about what you prefer, Yes, 1:37:46.240 --> 1:37:48.120 but you also take yourself out the picture and look 1:37:48.160 --> 1:37:50.240 at the larger picture as a whole, right, agree, Like 1:37:50.439 --> 1:37:52.360 I go to jay Z shows in their pack like 1:37:52.439 --> 1:37:55.320 the B Side Show for instance. You know those things 1:37:55.400 --> 1:37:58.400 weren't cheap, and there was people from eight to eighty. 1:37:58.439 --> 1:38:00.360 They're reciting the words, and I alway is looking like 1:38:00.560 --> 1:38:01.880 you don't have to be a jay Z fan to 1:38:01.920 --> 1:38:04.200 know jay z music almost like a drink and his 1:38:04.400 --> 1:38:06.519 music has lasted the test of time and it's impact. 1:38:06.760 --> 1:38:08.519 You could be in the Bay Area and the forty 1:38:08.560 --> 1:38:12.360 could do the same thing here. I think he is 1:38:12.360 --> 1:38:15.360 a legend, but I think it's very regional but appealed. 1:38:15.400 --> 1:38:17.280 But it could be equally on that side as well. 1:38:17.439 --> 1:38:19.320 They might say the same thing I'm saying regionally. We 1:38:19.360 --> 1:38:22.560 gotta understand that everybody has different perspectives regionally, right, but 1:38:22.880 --> 1:38:24.840 for what they think hip hop like whatever we want 1:38:24.880 --> 1:38:28.200 to add to these listspect forty, But I would use 1:38:28.320 --> 1:38:32.559 jay Z's approach and his music has penetrated the culture 1:38:32.680 --> 1:38:36.080 more on a national scale, more on a global scale 1:38:36.280 --> 1:38:39.400 than he for no disrespect because yeah, of course, so 1:38:39.560 --> 1:38:40.960 I think that's the reason why I would put him 1:38:40.960 --> 1:38:43.200 my number one as well. Who would you putting on one? 1:38:43.280 --> 1:38:46.120 Though I got not the number one, but not And 1:38:46.360 --> 1:38:48.760 I want to be very very very very careful at 1:38:48.800 --> 1:38:51.200 this because it's not it's not because he's my friend. 1:38:51.240 --> 1:38:54.000 A lot of people, um illmatic meant more to me. 1:38:54.560 --> 1:38:55.840 I swear to God, I think it meant more to 1:38:55.920 --> 1:38:59.680 me than meant to him because of the time, like 1:38:59.720 --> 1:39:02.439 I would, living against the life, I can't describe anybody 1:39:02.479 --> 1:39:04.160 else or what anybody else was doing. I can only 1:39:04.200 --> 1:39:06.920 say what I was doing. And I got caught up 1:39:06.960 --> 1:39:09.040 in the system. When I got caught up in the system, 1:39:09.120 --> 1:39:12.120 it hurt me to actually walk through people like queens 1:39:13.560 --> 1:39:16.120 like and I really had to fight for that ship. 1:39:18.320 --> 1:39:21.640 Cares One really put us in a bad position that 1:39:22.960 --> 1:39:25.600 it was like listen, listen. Me and I spoke about it, 1:39:25.640 --> 1:39:27.240 and you said, you know, we we listen to that 1:39:27.479 --> 1:39:33.759 in the bridge. It's true, but um uh all matic. 1:39:34.400 --> 1:39:36.879 When I listened to it was it was Biggie Smalls, 1:39:37.000 --> 1:39:39.880 it was Buckshot Shorty, it was all these dudes. But 1:39:39.960 --> 1:39:43.640 when al Mattock dropped, it was something that it did 1:39:43.720 --> 1:39:46.120 to me. I've seen Steinway Street. I saw a story 1:39:46.200 --> 1:39:48.880 of hours. I saw I saw a woodside I saw 1:39:49.479 --> 1:39:51.960 I saw basically projects. I saw south Side, I saw 1:39:51.960 --> 1:39:55.000 a hunch seven got Broad. I saw this. I visually. 1:39:55.360 --> 1:39:57.680 I would read books, not because I liked to read it. 1:39:58.080 --> 1:40:00.280 I wanted to get out of jail. So when I 1:40:00.320 --> 1:40:03.559 would read a book, I would read Donald Goring's Horse Son, 1:40:03.680 --> 1:40:06.280 I would beat in Detroit or whatever the funk. Donald 1:40:06.320 --> 1:40:09.439 Gorman's wrote like, I don't like reading. I'm actually my 1:40:09.600 --> 1:40:16.120 name of my book is called reading is overrated? More 1:40:16.200 --> 1:40:20.880 teen pages, four teen pages, hurry up, wake up. But 1:40:21.400 --> 1:40:23.880 so so what happened was I would read these these 1:40:23.920 --> 1:40:27.160 books like Dope Son, dopefee, excuse Me and all this 1:40:27.240 --> 1:40:30.519 ship And when Ill Mattic came it was the first 1:40:30.560 --> 1:40:35.240 time I visually saw an album ever like I visually described. 1:40:35.360 --> 1:40:36.560 And a lot of people would say, well, you know 1:40:36.640 --> 1:40:39.560 what that's because you're from queens But I wasn't in 1:40:39.680 --> 1:40:42.200 queens Bridge every day. I wasn't on staring Way Street 1:40:42.240 --> 1:40:44.439 every day. I wasn't in rats with projects. I wasn't 1:40:44.439 --> 1:40:47.960 in woodside projects every day. What'side project wasn't from your side. 1:40:48.280 --> 1:40:52.519 I wasn't. I went to What's Side forty six and 1:40:52.560 --> 1:40:54.799 Bliss on the seventh Trade. I went to that school. 1:40:56.439 --> 1:40:59.640 When when Nas actually did that, I saw it. But 1:41:00.000 --> 1:41:02.360 even if I wasn't from that place, the fact that 1:41:02.479 --> 1:41:06.560 he described Queen's wridg that dope to me. When you 1:41:06.640 --> 1:41:08.840 say the greatest of all times. And if you say 1:41:08.880 --> 1:41:11.280 that jay Z is the greatest artist of all times 1:41:11.280 --> 1:41:13.160 when when it comes to rap, yeah, I have to 1:41:13.240 --> 1:41:16.640 agree with that's it when you say that, because what 1:41:16.720 --> 1:41:23.360 do you say, say those words? No artists? You know? 1:41:24.320 --> 1:41:25.880 This is why it's such a tricky. This is why 1:41:29.680 --> 1:41:34.320 that black thought no wrong. How do we just think 1:41:34.439 --> 1:41:37.080 with goats? I believe it is versus its artists like 1:41:37.760 --> 1:41:39.840 this is when we have those discussions, I say, artists 1:41:39.920 --> 1:41:43.439 versus rappers right, your rapping right, there's good rappers and 1:41:43.920 --> 1:41:46.639 rappers right this good artists, it is bad artists. Artists 1:41:46.680 --> 1:41:49.759 to me are how you construct the album, your songs, 1:41:50.160 --> 1:41:53.280 your versus your courses, the sales, the economics of it 1:41:53.320 --> 1:42:00.120 as well. Just rappers rappers can't agree with him when 1:42:00.160 --> 1:42:02.160 it comes to stats when you nobody turning that down. 1:42:03.280 --> 1:42:04.840 So I think when we have the discussions more so 1:42:04.960 --> 1:42:09.760 about artistreet and I think about it, it's more, it's more, 1:42:11.840 --> 1:42:14.280 it's more I'm next to, but it's more of the 1:42:14.640 --> 1:42:16.760 what you prefer. Like like to tell you the truth, 1:42:17.560 --> 1:42:21.560 I'm probably gonna get so much slack for this. I 1:42:21.720 --> 1:42:27.519 didn't like reasonable doubt because I was broken, but it 1:42:27.600 --> 1:42:33.519 was an incredible Yeah, I just was broke but could 1:42:33.560 --> 1:42:37.280 not relate to it like I couldn't. It's like it's 1:42:37.320 --> 1:42:40.360 for real. It's like to this day, like when he 1:42:40.439 --> 1:42:43.160 came up with niggas in Paris. Yeah, I went to 1:42:43.240 --> 1:42:46.120 a club and one of my homies bar fifty bucks 1:42:46.160 --> 1:42:49.000 for me. And did he go to the club and 1:42:49.040 --> 1:42:53.000 he said, what's fifty grand to a nigger? Like, and 1:42:53.080 --> 1:42:58.639 I'm looking like you just dollars you doing singing that line. 1:42:59.160 --> 1:43:03.040 But at that point, like I had, I was an 1:43:03.080 --> 1:43:05.840 ounce nigga, I was a quarter ounce nigger. I was 1:43:05.880 --> 1:43:09.160 a quarter key. I was a key dude, most I 1:43:09.200 --> 1:43:11.439 ever had as a key. When you talk about you 1:43:11.520 --> 1:43:16.400 know these bricks and all that, I'm like, Jesus, I'm thinking, 1:43:16.479 --> 1:43:20.120 he lying, I'm not thinking this is really I'm looking 1:43:20.120 --> 1:43:23.080 at its aspirational. Maybe No, I didn't look at it 1:43:23.160 --> 1:43:25.120 like that. I looked at it like he was flossing 1:43:25.160 --> 1:43:28.760 on what's the next album after that? Okay, that's something. 1:43:28.800 --> 1:43:30.720 That's something one he had to marry go around where 1:43:30.720 --> 1:43:37.360 he went the merry go around, Sunshine, Sunshine after Sunshine. 1:43:37.600 --> 1:43:44.240 That that was my nigga. That So I'm like that 1:43:44.320 --> 1:43:47.120 take a long time that take a long time at 1:43:47.160 --> 1:43:49.720 that point is that Listen, my very first shows was 1:43:49.800 --> 1:43:52.200 with jay Z. A Nigga l A l A came 1:43:52.240 --> 1:43:54.519 out the same time I hooked him up with the 1:43:54.560 --> 1:43:58.880 light skin bitches from my hood. Come on, he's been 1:43:58.920 --> 1:44:03.280 like about them, So let me say that correct because 1:44:03.280 --> 1:44:05.720 if you want to see I want to seem like, 1:44:05.840 --> 1:44:09.360 yeah you know, but um yeah, I had been. But 1:44:09.520 --> 1:44:13.600 after YO two Dan, I had recognized because maybe I 1:44:13.640 --> 1:44:18.680 started getting money, okay, and it's it's that's real. That's 1:44:18.680 --> 1:44:20.240 the most honest answer. You said that. It was the 1:44:20.280 --> 1:44:22.680 most honest. Like if you're not making money and a 1:44:22.800 --> 1:44:25.880 dude is talking about making way more money than you, 1:44:26.120 --> 1:44:28.040 you're not talking about making a hundred hours more than you. 1:44:28.400 --> 1:44:32.439 He didn't wait making he listen. I had a five 1:44:33.640 --> 1:44:36.360 a five, so it was it was relatable. That's why 1:44:36.400 --> 1:44:37.920 I loved the fourth four four album. I feel like 1:44:38.000 --> 1:44:45.679 the album should coming because that's because I think about Graham. 1:44:46.560 --> 1:44:50.160 It's my number to jay z albums, that's number two. 1:44:50.479 --> 1:44:53.080 The thing Grams, if you look at the tradition to 1:44:53.080 --> 1:44:57.240 the Grammys, they always like favorite is hardest, a little 1:44:57.320 --> 1:45:01.000 past that prime, like creating a gray body of work 1:45:01.200 --> 1:45:03.599 that like you know what I mean, mess certain things 1:45:05.040 --> 1:45:08.360 that that ship didn't relate to, like hip hop. When 1:45:08.360 --> 1:45:10.240 I was trying to give Jenny things like give everything 1:45:10.240 --> 1:45:12.519 in the Kendrick, Why could you gave it to Maclamo before. 1:45:12.560 --> 1:45:15.200 It's just like it was lame with me like you 1:45:15.240 --> 1:45:18.040 got in front row like Jagga deserved one of those. Yeah, 1:45:18.120 --> 1:45:20.360 absolutely should have got that one. I'm high as fucked 1:45:20.400 --> 1:45:30.280 by the way. Chance. Come on, give us the smoke, 1:45:31.200 --> 1:45:33.519 Open it up, Open it up, show it to the camera, yo, 1:45:34.320 --> 1:45:48.479 shows smoke. Yo. Is this ship? You take it out? Man, 1:45:48.560 --> 1:45:52.040 I'll be scared of it. Train a day. What is that? Yo? 1:45:53.120 --> 1:45:59.439 It's just a twig with fucking frost. What we're talking about? 1:45:59.640 --> 1:46:02.400 We got saw you. I'm trying to get us advert 1:46:04.360 --> 1:46:08.600 smoke smoke yo, second hand? Yo. See his ain't drinks 1:46:08.800 --> 1:46:14.400 become smoke champs. Yes, is always been smoked. He brought 1:46:14.439 --> 1:46:17.880 the name earlier. I'm not gonna I got drink, I 1:46:17.920 --> 1:46:29.680 got smoke dj LLC. That's right LLCC. Let's go and 1:46:30.640 --> 1:46:33.080 let's go. What's what's what you got and what's the 1:46:33.120 --> 1:46:34.840 ship that makes you wake up in the morning to 1:46:34.920 --> 1:46:38.600 be thrilled? Like like like like like you know what, 1:46:38.840 --> 1:46:43.680 you know what you know the crazy ship is right. Um, 1:46:43.960 --> 1:46:46.360 when we start this podcast, we wanted to just deliver 1:46:46.479 --> 1:46:52.280 information and what happened was you know smoke, right, people 1:46:52.400 --> 1:46:57.599 want to live you know you're shign up for its. Sorry, Yeah, 1:46:57.880 --> 1:46:59.960 people wanted us to deliver I don't think you should. 1:47:01.400 --> 1:47:09.000 I'm trying to protect you. Why nig is nasty? Got 1:47:09.080 --> 1:47:10.960 like water with like a little bit like not just 1:47:11.080 --> 1:47:16.960 missingly drag a little bit, but it's all good or 1:47:17.000 --> 1:47:22.519 the yells. So what is the thing like, what is 1:47:22.560 --> 1:47:24.720 it like when you sit down with an artist and 1:47:24.840 --> 1:47:27.639 you get like for me, for me, right, I'm sorry 1:47:27.680 --> 1:47:30.840 to relate it to me, but for me to see 1:47:30.920 --> 1:47:33.160 nas talking about Prince and see now I's talking about 1:47:33.160 --> 1:47:36.960 big big so elusively and he wasn't. He wasn't giving 1:47:37.000 --> 1:47:39.960 me one word answers to me, that's a thrill to 1:47:40.400 --> 1:47:46.759 bring somebody out there. Show what is your thrill when 1:47:46.840 --> 1:47:49.080 you do an interview? Um, like I said, just being 1:47:49.080 --> 1:47:51.479 a fan, right, so I'm talking to the superhero. So 1:47:51.760 --> 1:47:53.439 the fact that I'm getting But what happens if you're 1:47:53.800 --> 1:47:56.040 you're not a fan of this person. I'm a fan 1:47:56.080 --> 1:47:57.760 of the music. You know, I'm a fan of the coach. 1:47:57.840 --> 1:47:59.640 I just want to do a good interview nobody. He 1:47:59.680 --> 1:48:02.479 wasn't a yeah, of course about it, but you could 1:48:02.479 --> 1:48:06.599 be a figure journey journalize you're not a little nose. 1:48:11.040 --> 1:48:15.200 But I can't think about who We've been too so 1:48:15.240 --> 1:48:17.200 many people that I wasn't necessarily a fan of. But 1:48:17.280 --> 1:48:21.960 you know, I love the music, but I'm not a 1:48:22.080 --> 1:48:25.439 jeezy active listener. But but I want to say something 1:48:25.439 --> 1:48:27.439 about what he said. We keep talking about the naz 1:48:27.640 --> 1:48:33.000 episode that was not legitimately a real drink Champs and exact, 1:48:33.880 --> 1:48:36.280 and we have our story with that as well that 1:48:36.400 --> 1:48:37.880 we don't have to get into it, a little long story. 1:48:37.920 --> 1:48:40.280 But we were supposed to do it here in Miami, 1:48:40.640 --> 1:48:42.439 came here and then we went and did it at 1:48:42.479 --> 1:48:44.960 his album released party. It would have been a totally 1:48:45.000 --> 1:48:49.400 different and yeah, yeah, yeah, but but but you know 1:48:49.520 --> 1:48:51.120 what it is like when when when we do it, 1:48:51.160 --> 1:48:52.720 because there was a live audience, so we had to 1:48:52.800 --> 1:48:55.759 cater to the audience, of course, and we only have minutes. 1:48:57.800 --> 1:49:00.519 I'm a natural former, so when I'm gonn that before, 1:49:00.560 --> 1:49:03.000 I'm gonna naturally perform towards the crowd. Yeah, you know 1:49:03.040 --> 1:49:04.800 what I'm saying, So I mean it was good. But 1:49:04.920 --> 1:49:09.479 the thing is one I was not asking about no, no, no, 1:49:09.600 --> 1:49:12.360 his police questions. I'm not I'm not doing that talking 1:49:13.479 --> 1:49:16.160 because I'm I'm I'm a fucking baby father and I'm 1:49:16.200 --> 1:49:18.400 a fucking artist, and I don't want to ask me 1:49:18.479 --> 1:49:22.320 about my baby mama. I got like five, I don't 1:49:22.320 --> 1:49:26.280 even know, like even I had some time back in 1:49:26.320 --> 1:49:28.720 the days, So so I don't want that. So why 1:49:28.760 --> 1:49:31.320 would I do something to somebody? And not only that, 1:49:31.520 --> 1:49:35.240 like we're not only like back, we've pairing our relationship, 1:49:35.320 --> 1:49:38.360 like this motherfucker's hitting me, Like, why would I breaking up? 1:49:38.360 --> 1:49:44.160 We don't do that, said to you, two hour interview 1:49:44.200 --> 1:49:46.240 with got it. He sat right here, He smoked weed, 1:49:46.600 --> 1:49:48.920 he drank all the type of ball he did whatever. 1:49:49.120 --> 1:49:52.040 And I've never brun not because that's not a hot 1:49:52.120 --> 1:49:55.080 topic of the conver but it's not our platform. We 1:49:55.120 --> 1:49:59.040 don't want to continue the gossteps. Not only that, the 1:49:59.120 --> 1:50:00.920 first time he had been you know, all here, he 1:50:01.080 --> 1:50:04.000 was warming with y'all whatever, So we let Benzino say whatever. 1:50:04.880 --> 1:50:06.960 It was warm with us. You know, we had ours, 1:50:07.200 --> 1:50:09.400 So we let Benzino say, what's up? We also have 1:50:09.479 --> 1:50:13.439 a Benzino interview two hours not one. Elliott Wilson slammed that, 1:50:13.920 --> 1:50:24.960 Oh wow, plas, I just want to say he was possible. Yeah, 1:50:25.680 --> 1:50:28.679 is that he did say? Oh we got along. Yeah, 1:50:29.120 --> 1:50:31.400 it was just it got to the point where you know, 1:50:31.520 --> 1:50:33.639 a guy was running reckless, like we need to picture. 1:50:33.640 --> 1:50:41.840 He had the g check me brung up Scott, he 1:50:42.000 --> 1:50:44.439 broke up you, he said, he said nah, And that's 1:50:44.439 --> 1:50:47.120 what Elliot and came on and Elliott took over this 1:50:49.320 --> 1:50:53.560 swear because he was always a hundred to got to 1:50:53.680 --> 1:50:55.240 that point. You know that we have to do, but 1:50:55.400 --> 1:50:58.680 we always a respect and that's what hip hop has 1:50:58.720 --> 1:51:01.080 to go into. But there unfortunately, I just love doing 1:51:01.120 --> 1:51:04.920 a good job. Then what gives me up in the morning. 1:51:04.960 --> 1:51:06.719 I love the fact if we do a good interview 1:51:06.760 --> 1:51:11.160 and contact someone, it gives an opinion about hip hop 1:51:11.240 --> 1:51:14.920 and it's just the game. Now that buck, what is that? Like? 1:51:15.400 --> 1:51:20.000 What did you say? You said wasn't the top five? Yeah? 1:51:20.080 --> 1:51:22.639 I said, I said Stole was in the top five. 1:51:22.920 --> 1:51:26.080 Bad boy artist me and going back and forth, and 1:51:26.160 --> 1:51:28.160 I said the number one was Big of course, number 1:51:28.200 --> 1:51:31.599 two was Jada Kiss or I think Mace or Jada 1:51:31.640 --> 1:51:35.800 Kiss three was one of those and like Black Rob 1:51:35.880 --> 1:51:39.320 and I think maybe like Stoups like five or six, right, 1:51:41.920 --> 1:51:46.720 bad boy, bad boy, you gave him. So Charlotmi was like, Yo, 1:51:47.520 --> 1:51:49.679 we are you talking about? Style? Is better than make somebody? 1:51:49.680 --> 1:51:51.960 What are you talking about? You're going drugs? Because if 1:51:52.000 --> 1:51:54.160 you remember back in that time, like Mace was the 1:51:54.360 --> 1:51:59.400 nigger going back to the Elliott says stats, yeah, yeah, 1:51:59.600 --> 1:52:05.160 at least it was a moment Mace was that good 1:52:06.760 --> 1:52:08.600 looking at you in your face and say I remember that, No, 1:52:09.000 --> 1:52:17.200 I remember, I remember that Mace was that not Murdervation 1:52:17.240 --> 1:52:19.040 was that guy, but that nigga he talked about what 1:52:19.240 --> 1:52:26.519 murder he was riding up pre pre Harlem world. Maybe 1:52:27.000 --> 1:52:31.120 you talked about Murdervation cor Ma I'm talking about about. 1:52:31.280 --> 1:52:36.880 I'll tell the world that nigga was that guy, the 1:52:36.960 --> 1:52:41.519 nigga that did come to camera. Yes, that nigga double up. 1:52:41.720 --> 1:52:47.920 Mace was that guy. Popularity wise and lyrically. What was 1:52:48.640 --> 1:52:50.880 his own of No, you know this, nor you know that. 1:52:51.160 --> 1:52:56.360 I gotta tell you what that that's my eye it was. 1:52:57.240 --> 1:53:00.840 I'll tell you exactly what wasn't train. What happened was 1:53:01.240 --> 1:53:07.599 what happened was pol had got sentenced, right, well, Poem had, 1:53:07.720 --> 1:53:10.479 what's that ship? Gotta diet in? And you know you 1:53:10.560 --> 1:53:13.080 didn't you get sentenced, so you gotta diet it. We 1:53:13.160 --> 1:53:20.200 knew he was gonna get sentenced Poem. He wasn't married 1:53:20.280 --> 1:53:24.679 this time, so Poem was running around sucking everything. God 1:53:24.760 --> 1:53:28.120 bless him. I would have been sucking anything too. But 1:53:29.160 --> 1:53:35.320 is that the train coming to so poem me, I'm 1:53:35.439 --> 1:53:37.439 so happy to be at the left Frac City nine 1:53:37.560 --> 1:53:47.040 seven days, seven little body apartment. So I'm so happy 1:53:47.120 --> 1:53:48.960 to be out the hood that I'm the first one 1:53:49.040 --> 1:53:51.160 there when the studio is nine o'clock. I'm there at 1:53:51.200 --> 1:53:54.400 seven thirty, Like, I'm so happy. And I got so 1:53:54.479 --> 1:53:57.040 many rhymes that I wrote in jail. I got so many. 1:53:57.479 --> 1:54:01.200 So one of the rhymes was know this and know 1:54:01.360 --> 1:54:07.360 that voting Jack because both camera then you know, talking 1:54:07.360 --> 1:54:11.160 about questions, one of my favorite groups. So I'm sitting 1:54:11.200 --> 1:54:13.439 there writing a round and I wrote that up the jail, 1:54:14.040 --> 1:54:15.880 this and don't you know that? So I had the 1:54:15.920 --> 1:54:18.200 ship and I had laid it in Unique Studios. I'll 1:54:18.200 --> 1:54:20.560 never forget it. I had laidership in Unique Studios and 1:54:20.640 --> 1:54:24.280 compone came up. This is when I knew Queensbridge is 1:54:24.400 --> 1:54:27.760 queens Bridge, niggas I got. I gotta relax and from 1:54:27.840 --> 1:54:32.000 left track. So Poe walks in the studio and Poe like, yo, 1:54:32.080 --> 1:54:36.400 this ship is ladyship. Do you know this? I laid 1:54:36.400 --> 1:54:37.960 it off with brand new be and don't let it 1:54:38.040 --> 1:54:41.760 go to you This before brand new bian, I was 1:54:41.800 --> 1:54:45.000 at my grandmother. She played this record. She played this record, 1:54:45.040 --> 1:54:46.640 don't let it go to your head. So I went 1:54:46.680 --> 1:54:49.200 to east LP. I said, easy, LP, I don't know 1:54:49.320 --> 1:54:51.920 this record is because I don't hard to sampt that 1:54:52.040 --> 1:54:55.960 back then. So I said, he knew exactly the record. 1:54:56.000 --> 1:54:58.960 He's liked what boom laced the ship up boom. So 1:54:59.240 --> 1:55:01.520 I went in there. So now now let us listen 1:55:01.560 --> 1:55:06.320 to that rhyme and think of that beat this I'm leave, man, 1:55:06.880 --> 1:55:10.440 I'm leaving. That fits better. What don't let it go? 1:55:12.400 --> 1:55:15.760 So Poone walks in. He hears the ship and he's like, 1:55:16.400 --> 1:55:19.720 this is let me let me get my first ready. 1:55:20.760 --> 1:55:22.920 So I'm like, all right, cool, So this is like 1:55:23.000 --> 1:55:26.200 my first production, like I actually produced this. I told 1:55:26.280 --> 1:55:30.640 them to temple this record and then the homie trash 1:55:30.800 --> 1:55:34.840 walked in. Twelve minutes later. It was like what the 1:55:34.960 --> 1:55:38.760 fuck is this? And I looked because I swore I 1:55:38.880 --> 1:55:41.680 had a hit. Yeah, I looked. He said, we don't 1:55:41.800 --> 1:55:49.880 sample like Puff Daddy, like Havoc. So they scrapped my record. 1:55:49.920 --> 1:55:52.160 It's the worst day of my life. It's the worst day. 1:55:52.600 --> 1:55:55.200 I know this is a hit, Bro, I know it, 1:55:55.360 --> 1:56:02.000 So so do that certain body of that part I noticed, 1:56:02.120 --> 1:56:06.000 say but out voted the Queen's Bridge niggas a went 1:56:06.120 --> 1:56:08.600 but you held on to it, You held out to it. Yeah, 1:56:08.600 --> 1:56:13.800 that's just true. So so Nas is supposed to be 1:56:13.880 --> 1:56:16.440 on the album. He's on his record called music, Make 1:56:16.560 --> 1:56:22.400 this My brother eat money Bags. It's from my building Avenue, 1:56:22.400 --> 1:56:26.840 Apartment four teen B. I forget, which was way um 1:56:27.320 --> 1:56:30.720 so me money bags and OS had this record called 1:56:30.880 --> 1:56:35.320 music and his stuffs calmed down. I don't remember if 1:56:36.000 --> 1:56:38.840 how does happened with trash replaced the money Bags versus 1:56:38.920 --> 1:56:42.680 He later verse, I don't know if that's the reason 1:56:42.720 --> 1:56:47.360 why NAS didn't clear it or or I've never got 1:56:47.480 --> 1:56:51.560 the full story. So later on they're saying, you know, 1:56:51.600 --> 1:56:54.120 we're gonna make it up to you for not being 1:56:54.160 --> 1:56:56.880 on the War Report that album. That's two big stars 1:56:58.640 --> 1:57:01.920 and Nas Bro. So we looked like we're the dudes. 1:57:02.040 --> 1:57:04.400 But we look like the dudes. That's the dudes. It's 1:57:04.480 --> 1:57:13.600 not really, it's like they're Jason. They're on the corner 1:57:13.680 --> 1:57:15.280 with us. I don't know if they're coming in the 1:57:15.360 --> 1:57:24.040 house then, and I walk. Um. They invite me to Miami, ironically, 1:57:24.480 --> 1:57:25.960 and they said, I we want you to come on 1:57:26.040 --> 1:57:28.000 the Firm album. This is before they announced the firm, 1:57:28.040 --> 1:57:30.080 but what the firm was Yeah, So I'm like, yeah, 1:57:30.120 --> 1:57:32.280 I'll be there. They said, coming to Miami. I said, 1:57:32.400 --> 1:57:34.240 no problem. I'm waiting for them to give me my 1:57:34.320 --> 1:57:38.880 flight info. Flight infoe never came. So no, no, no, 1:57:39.040 --> 1:57:40.600 they never even told me that. They would have said 1:57:40.640 --> 1:57:42.120 to come up on the wall Martin. But somebody was 1:57:42.160 --> 1:57:44.480 broken the time. This is after the war report. This 1:57:44.520 --> 1:57:47.040 is a fact. I'm still broke. So I don't keep it. 1:57:47.600 --> 1:57:51.560 No lies, no, no, no, no, no matter, no malleable nigger. 1:57:51.600 --> 1:57:58.280 I don't even got I don't even got so. So 1:58:00.360 --> 1:58:02.600 these nimes hit me and they fly me to l A. 1:58:03.560 --> 1:58:05.040 And when they fly me too l A, I walk 1:58:05.080 --> 1:58:08.520 in the first session. That's the reason why I'm still 1:58:08.600 --> 1:58:12.840 cool with Nature and I will always be indebted to him. 1:58:13.120 --> 1:58:14.280 This is the reason why I put him on band 1:58:14.320 --> 1:58:17.440 from TV. First, I walked in the session. It was 1:58:17.560 --> 1:58:20.920 Nature's session, and Nature is a brilliant writer, but he 1:58:21.080 --> 1:58:24.800 just takes three days to right sixteen. Yeah, but he's 1:58:24.840 --> 1:58:29.440 sixteen that he's gonna take three days. Yeah, crazy Slive 1:58:29.760 --> 1:58:34.560 is going to this team got fifty seven sixteen, So 1:58:35.760 --> 1:58:40.360 I don't. And Dr Dre is on the fucking engineer. 1:58:41.640 --> 1:58:43.680 So Dre is waiting for Nature and you look an 1:58:43.760 --> 1:58:46.680 tell he's wresting. So he's like, this is the reason 1:58:46.720 --> 1:58:50.440 why I always walk with Nature. So he's wrestling, He's like, yo, 1:58:50.520 --> 1:58:54.320 you're ready name, and so he's like I almost supposed 1:58:54.320 --> 1:58:56.560 to beat and he just switsches to beat and I'm 1:58:56.640 --> 1:58:59.960 just going like this and he's just he switched to 1:59:00.040 --> 1:59:02.320 the other beat. He goes boom and then the other beating. 1:59:04.400 --> 1:59:06.520 I'm not doing it to show up on the corner. 1:59:06.600 --> 1:59:12.240 I'm like yo, and Dre's like yo, homie yo noriy right. 1:59:12.320 --> 1:59:16.400 I'm like, yes, niggas, I'm sorry. Didn't like how you 1:59:16.480 --> 1:59:21.120 do drop its going on drops, So I said, yes, 1:59:21.200 --> 1:59:24.640 I'm more. He says, he says, you got something for us, 1:59:25.560 --> 1:59:27.680 And I'm looking at Nate and Nate looking at me, 1:59:27.720 --> 1:59:31.040 and I'm looking at Nate like, yes, I have something, 1:59:35.040 --> 1:59:37.320 because you don't want you at your home. And this 1:59:37.440 --> 1:59:40.360 is because I knew what I was gonna do. I 1:59:40.400 --> 1:59:44.400 ain't gonna I had that it I ain't right that damn. 1:59:44.760 --> 1:59:47.360 I had to said, why did you know that would work? 1:59:47.400 --> 1:59:51.560 But once I heard the beat, it was not the helicopters, 1:59:51.640 --> 1:59:54.920 it was the um um I need you to that. 1:59:57.240 --> 1:59:59.640 That was the first one. So when I came ship, 1:59:59.680 --> 2:00:02.480 I said, and that ship came out and this is 2:00:02.600 --> 2:00:04.840 crazy ship. This This is why I knew. I was 2:00:05.040 --> 2:00:10.200 like really thirsty because I laid the ship perfect Dr Dre. 2:00:10.320 --> 2:00:15.360 Don't tell nobody it was good. I laid this ship 2:00:15.400 --> 2:00:21.600 and he was like, yeah, I came out this before 2:00:21.640 --> 2:00:25.800 I had knew who drew perfection to see was he said, yo, listen, 2:00:27.280 --> 2:00:31.080 no one, and I didn't know what I was supposed 2:00:31.080 --> 2:00:34.520 to say. No, yeah, I did hate, so I said word. 2:00:35.040 --> 2:00:39.920 She said, just do it again for arguments sex man, 2:00:40.760 --> 2:00:43.000 and I laid it again and then he made me 2:00:43.120 --> 2:00:47.320 late one more time and he told me later and 2:00:47.440 --> 2:00:53.640 then up people that Blood Money Part two beat so 2:00:55.560 --> 2:00:57.920 again I don't remember if that was track Masters beat 2:00:58.120 --> 2:01:00.360 and if there was his beat and he gave masters 2:01:00.440 --> 2:01:03.760 the credit that was tracks his beating. Well he pulled 2:01:03.800 --> 2:01:05.280 it up and that's how we got Love Money part 2:01:05.320 --> 2:01:09.160 to Member Money Parts Nation. That was done during the 2:01:09.240 --> 2:01:13.720 Firm album during Nature's session. Wow, if I was natured, 2:01:13.920 --> 2:01:16.920 would if he would have hated on me? I don't 2:01:16.920 --> 2:01:20.960 even like, why is this left frantic Ship just thinking 2:01:21.080 --> 2:01:23.960 was one of two records in my session, Like just 2:01:24.080 --> 2:01:26.240 think about what we were talking about. He don't even 2:01:26.320 --> 2:01:30.640 know me. I'm man as Nas and Jungle guests. But 2:01:30.760 --> 2:01:32.720 y'all think it's magic and burg. I think he's made 2:01:32.720 --> 2:01:38.520 a lot of around. You gotta remember after the first off, 2:01:38.680 --> 2:01:43.280 this is in between them switching members that they don't 2:01:43.320 --> 2:01:48.880 know what that is expected and just move on. Yeah, 2:01:49.360 --> 2:01:52.680 like we were supposed to act like this is he 2:01:52.760 --> 2:01:57.280 supposed to just act like, you know, you know, like 2:01:57.480 --> 2:02:01.320 we love Nature. But Nature walked in Ship. But he 2:02:01.400 --> 2:02:04.040 didn't know at the time. I didn't know at the time. 2:02:04.240 --> 2:02:10.600 Nobody at the time. They did that with the Fox, 2:02:10.680 --> 2:02:13.840 he joined the lat Familiar. They switched, they switched, they 2:02:13.880 --> 2:02:16.280 switched the verse. Yeah, but that verse, that's what the 2:02:16.320 --> 2:02:18.360 thing is up was like then it came out. So 2:02:18.720 --> 2:02:21.440 when I gets outature and mind you, I'm thinking I'm 2:02:21.480 --> 2:02:24.200 going back home. No one's never going to hear these records. 2:02:24.320 --> 2:02:26.840 And guess what, no one's never gonna believe me. I 2:02:26.960 --> 2:02:30.080 never really told people that Dr Drake did because I 2:02:30.120 --> 2:02:32.000 was like, who is gonna believe me? Like I went 2:02:32.160 --> 2:02:34.320 straight back the left frack like it wasn't like I 2:02:34.400 --> 2:02:36.920 went back and I had a mansion and without the 2:02:36.960 --> 2:02:38.840 d and the firm, I went straight back to the 2:02:38.880 --> 2:02:40.920 left frack. And I did not think I was getting paid. 2:02:42.480 --> 2:02:50.680 So they gave me fifteen bands at that time, the brands, 2:02:52.600 --> 2:02:58.640 So the record implored it for me. Yeah, And that's 2:02:58.720 --> 2:03:05.120 initially how me and Tragic Cort Beef because the same 2:03:05.240 --> 2:03:09.280 record he told me it was whack told me, and 2:03:09.400 --> 2:03:13.360 then he told my friend Left, who is who is 2:03:13.440 --> 2:03:15.000 the man? Right now? To the left was going on? 2:03:15.360 --> 2:03:17.839 He told Left, why would he take a CNN record 2:03:18.160 --> 2:03:19.960 and give it to them niggers that didn't even want 2:03:19.960 --> 2:03:23.440 to be on the CNN's first album. M m mmmm. 2:03:23.800 --> 2:03:25.920 He had a point, but he was wrong. Let's not 2:03:26.040 --> 2:03:29.920 forget you told me this record was all right? You 2:03:30.000 --> 2:03:34.160 shut it down? You shut it down, that's trash. I 2:03:34.200 --> 2:03:35.920 don't want to seem like I'm because I'm not backing 2:03:36.040 --> 2:03:38.920 it at all, and no way shaped fashion for my fashion. 2:03:39.200 --> 2:03:41.280 But also I'm telling my side of the story. This 2:03:41.320 --> 2:03:45.040 is how I sort of time and that record I'm 2:03:45.120 --> 2:03:48.640 leaving is what made Nori so. So I was asking 2:03:48.680 --> 2:03:50.720 you a question. The thing was, I was a big 2:03:50.840 --> 2:03:54.320 Fife Dog fan, one of the biggest Fife Dog fans. 2:03:54.840 --> 2:03:56.560 And when I met five Dog, he was a little 2:03:56.680 --> 2:03:59.360 like like a little like nasty to me. But pauls 2:03:59.400 --> 2:04:03.080 it because he was like, he was like, yo, I 2:04:03.160 --> 2:04:04.520 think you kind of nice. So I'm not going to 2:04:04.760 --> 2:04:08.600 trying to be your friend friends because I didn't know, 2:04:08.760 --> 2:04:12.000 Like that's how like rappers think, like boxes don't want 2:04:12.040 --> 2:04:15.600 to be your friend boxing meet another box, like what's up? Year? Yeah, 2:04:15.680 --> 2:04:19.160 I might have to suck you up one day? So yeah, 2:04:19.480 --> 2:04:21.640 so whf I think that? To me, I was like, Okay, 2:04:21.720 --> 2:04:23.920 this this, this was this was dope. So that's that's 2:04:23.960 --> 2:04:26.520 how I eventually and if it wasn't for that record, 2:04:26.560 --> 2:04:28.160 I told that tons and a lot of people thought 2:04:28.560 --> 2:04:30.560 I was what was that when you nailed in front 2:04:30.560 --> 2:04:34.120 of did you know you? I didn't know. I didn't know, 2:04:34.280 --> 2:04:38.120 so I've seen the documentary on Defiant ones and and 2:04:38.320 --> 2:04:40.640 and people telling me how difficult Dr Dre is, and 2:04:40.720 --> 2:04:44.280 I'm like, nig I nailed the first one. But then 2:04:44.360 --> 2:04:48.160 I also remember I was hungry, like I was starving. 2:04:48.240 --> 2:04:52.320 But you feel like when that friend comes out, that's 2:04:52.320 --> 2:04:55.800 the that's the track. Actually know what trapped? I thought 2:04:55.880 --> 2:04:59.120 was gonna be it. You came up, that was a 2:04:59.200 --> 2:05:01.600 good song. But if it wasn't for the firm you 2:05:01.720 --> 2:05:06.360 came up with it worked, hit me out and I 2:05:06.360 --> 2:05:08.160 would switch it back to yas. I wanted to be 2:05:08.240 --> 2:05:10.160 my interview of course, um, but to hit me out 2:05:10.480 --> 2:05:15.400 there was the thing was the Firm has so much 2:05:16.440 --> 2:05:19.000 looking on him. Not because of the Firm, but because 2:05:19.040 --> 2:05:24.320 of that was Dr Dre's next project after the Aftermath, definitely, 2:05:25.200 --> 2:05:29.000 So it was so much that so whatever it was 2:05:29.080 --> 2:05:32.640 on and me, you gotta realize, this is some queen's 2:05:32.680 --> 2:05:36.160 secret ship. Nas and Jungle was giving me love because 2:05:36.200 --> 2:05:38.960 they felt like they wronged me on the war report 2:05:40.040 --> 2:05:42.040 and they felt like they missed the opportunity. They couldn't 2:05:42.080 --> 2:05:44.840 come back and say here goes this record. We those 2:05:44.920 --> 2:05:47.800 those ideas wasn't invented, Like now you get get a 2:05:47.800 --> 2:05:51.600 new record, new that didn't start charging. Back then, no 2:05:51.720 --> 2:05:53.480 one thought of that, so they were just trying to 2:05:54.520 --> 2:05:57.200 write that wrong. But if it wasn't for that record, 2:05:58.200 --> 2:06:02.680 that record opened up everybody. Everybody remember that and then 2:06:02.760 --> 2:06:09.800 but actually recorded you came up first? What punt? What 2:06:10.000 --> 2:06:12.400 pun first? And it's the first time I've ever seen 2:06:14.200 --> 2:06:18.160 like like like niggas had a food budget, Like I 2:06:18.240 --> 2:06:20.440 didn't know that. I didn't know, Like he came in 2:06:20.640 --> 2:06:23.280 with a food budget that's crazy, like he would or 2:06:23.360 --> 2:06:26.400 the twenty five pizzas and I'm like, yo, puns, it's 2:06:26.440 --> 2:06:40.280 four of us. So so I this industry, Yeah, there's 2:06:40.360 --> 2:06:49.120 so much ups and downs in between sideways when you 2:06:49.280 --> 2:06:51.680 interview an artists and think you did a great job, 2:06:52.840 --> 2:06:56.440 but you gave your honest opinion and these artists are 2:06:56.560 --> 2:07:02.320 not satisfied. How do you how do you remedied time? 2:07:04.560 --> 2:07:06.440 It's almost like if you with your girl. You know 2:07:06.480 --> 2:07:08.760 what I'm saying, Like you don't give us some space 2:07:08.880 --> 2:07:11.240 and you know eventually they'll come back around. I mean 2:07:11.280 --> 2:07:12.520 that's all. You can't do it the end of the day. 2:07:12.520 --> 2:07:15.200 We're all grown man, man and women. We're adults. So 2:07:15.520 --> 2:07:18.360 you know, it's like you know you'll get over it. 2:07:19.040 --> 2:07:21.400 You will will come back to you eventually. I think 2:07:21.400 --> 2:07:25.080 that's the best. But absolutely stay hot with you. Ever 2:07:25.200 --> 2:07:28.680 wished you said something that you didn't wish you said? No, 2:07:29.000 --> 2:07:31.280 what happens to actually the opposite. There's things that after 2:07:31.320 --> 2:07:34.000 the interview, like, damn, forgot to say that. You know 2:07:34.040 --> 2:07:37.960 what I'm saying that the biggest question I've missed the 2:07:38.000 --> 2:07:40.760 acts was how do you feel about utles? As I 2:07:40.840 --> 2:07:45.520 didn't care about question I didn't care about. Yeah. When 2:07:45.560 --> 2:07:47.200 I finished, I was like, damn because I had the 2:07:47.200 --> 2:07:49.880 ship wrote down ye, but yeah, we always do that. 2:07:50.000 --> 2:07:51.680 We do the most great energy. Were like, damn, we 2:07:51.720 --> 2:07:54.560 didn't ask the funk. That was the woman missed. So 2:07:54.640 --> 2:07:57.720 that's the thing that's the biggest thing. Damn it. Goddamn man, 2:07:57.760 --> 2:08:07.000 I'm so happy. I'm so happy to have y'all love. Yeah. 2:08:08.760 --> 2:08:11.160 Let me tell you something y'all taught me. I mean, well, Elliott, 2:08:11.200 --> 2:08:14.720 you taught me um uh competition and the thing about 2:08:14.760 --> 2:08:18.480 it now, But you know what, I still take that. 2:08:18.520 --> 2:08:20.960 I still taking the heat because the thing about it 2:08:21.200 --> 2:08:24.440 is wanting to be great have to do with wanting 2:08:24.480 --> 2:08:27.880 to be your greatest self, not who you're battling because 2:08:27.960 --> 2:08:30.360 if if I'm sitting here trying to be better than you, 2:08:30.840 --> 2:08:34.600 then then what happens if my true self is better 2:08:34.680 --> 2:08:37.200 than that, So I might as well just be a 2:08:37.240 --> 2:08:40.280 better version of me. It doesn't matter who if. So 2:08:40.400 --> 2:08:43.360 that's the reason why I love that we're all in 2:08:43.440 --> 2:08:45.760 our own I believe you said it one time. I said, 2:08:45.880 --> 2:08:48.360 I think you said on Twitter you said drink champs 2:08:48.560 --> 2:08:50.480 were like the sixty Minutes and drink Champions like the 2:08:50.520 --> 2:08:57.800 Howard Sterns like accause it's different experiences, you know what 2:08:57.800 --> 2:09:02.040 I'm saying, like celebrity on I want to see norionas 2:09:02.640 --> 2:09:05.600 have a conversation. I was gonna be a fly on 2:09:05.680 --> 2:09:07.680 the wall appreciate you know, like like I always say, 2:09:07.680 --> 2:09:09.680 I had both of your pictures on all. So it's 2:09:09.720 --> 2:09:13.880 a different approach. I'm more so as a fan, you know, 2:09:14.160 --> 2:09:16.800 a different perspective of a fan than you are talking to. 2:09:17.360 --> 2:09:19.120 But but you know what you taught me that brother, 2:09:19.240 --> 2:09:21.440 I'm just saying you when you said that to me, 2:09:21.480 --> 2:09:24.240 I don't know. We were twitter arguing that Twitter fingers. 2:09:26.440 --> 2:09:30.000 It's just it's just it's competitive nation. But when he 2:09:30.080 --> 2:09:34.640 said no, no, listen, listen, he said he said, the 2:09:34.960 --> 2:09:39.160 difference is we're really fans. And I couldn't argue with that. 2:09:39.600 --> 2:09:43.760 He said, yeah, I don't care about he said the differences, 2:09:44.040 --> 2:09:46.880 we're really fans. And the thing was, I hadn't stop 2:09:47.000 --> 2:09:48.480 when I had to thick. You know when somebody hit 2:09:48.520 --> 2:09:51.560 you with yourth said earlier like it almost it almost 2:09:51.680 --> 2:09:54.400 tastes wrong, but when you put it in your mouth, pause, 2:09:54.880 --> 2:09:58.080 it tastes good. It's said, you know what, this might 2:09:58.160 --> 2:10:00.360 be the truth. Yea, this might be the So you 2:10:00.440 --> 2:10:02.000 know what I had to do. I swear to god 2:10:02.040 --> 2:10:05.040 I had stopped. I stopped doing shows. I don't know what. 2:10:05.680 --> 2:10:07.760 You know, how you look at this pop, go back 2:10:07.800 --> 2:10:10.440 to the toy, look at the finances and say, well, 2:10:10.520 --> 2:10:13.080 what am I doing? All Right? If I don't need it, 2:10:13.480 --> 2:10:17.240 then focus on what is working. So because I was 2:10:17.280 --> 2:10:19.640 gonna be seven niggas at once, I was gonna be 2:10:19.720 --> 2:10:21.600 the rapper. I was gonna be up. But then I said, 2:10:21.640 --> 2:10:24.360 you know what? But then I said, uh, And I 2:10:24.520 --> 2:10:28.080 was trying to cater towards y'all style, or cater towards 2:10:28.120 --> 2:10:33.320 a Swede or Rob Marksman or Mike or bog Zilla 2:10:37.320 --> 2:10:42.920 a wall mikey Fresh said Mikey fresh Uh, Charlotte Maagne, 2:10:43.320 --> 2:10:46.280 and I said, you know what the crazy shit about 2:10:46.320 --> 2:10:49.200 all you dudes is, I'm glad I can't do your 2:10:49.320 --> 2:10:52.680 job because you're good at your job. And y'all exactly 2:10:52.760 --> 2:10:55.440 what the thing is. I have to emphasize on being 2:10:55.480 --> 2:10:59.880 an entertainer, not a journalist. Journalist comes with me being 2:11:00.000 --> 2:11:02.880 to entertain. The entertaining you guys are having certain notes 2:11:03.080 --> 2:11:04.560 and certain times I don't even have to look at 2:11:04.600 --> 2:11:06.840 the notes because I just would rather be organic with 2:11:06.920 --> 2:11:09.960 you guys. But yeah, that's where I knew I messed 2:11:10.000 --> 2:11:12.720 up when I was trying to entertain with you. I said, 2:11:12.960 --> 2:11:14.560 I mean I was trying to be a journalist with 2:11:14.640 --> 2:11:17.560 you guys. That that that that that doesn't that's not 2:11:17.640 --> 2:11:19.360 where we are. He's a d j im a rapper, 2:11:20.080 --> 2:11:24.480 so always keep it from DJ and a rapper. And 2:11:24.600 --> 2:11:27.880 that's when I said, I said, you know what, everybody 2:11:27.960 --> 2:11:31.520 could eat their own fruit. No one needs to. I 2:11:31.560 --> 2:11:37.280 don't need to, Like, no, we don't. I don't. I 2:11:37.360 --> 2:11:40.600 didn't at first because I'm being honest with y'all, especially 2:11:40.680 --> 2:11:43.280 in front of your face. At one point, I was 2:11:43.360 --> 2:11:46.120 trying to cater towards y'all style. I said, you know what, 2:11:46.240 --> 2:11:48.280 let me try to cater towards their style. Then I 2:11:48.360 --> 2:11:50.600 looked at Charlotte Maine and I said, you know what, 2:11:50.720 --> 2:11:53.080 that's not gonna work for me. Um because the way 2:11:53.200 --> 2:11:55.520 Charlotte Magne how he asked it, he's not gonna work 2:11:55.560 --> 2:11:57.760 from just that's my boy, That's not gonna work for me. 2:11:57.920 --> 2:12:00.920 And then I looked at Joe. But Joe and c 2:12:01.120 --> 2:12:03.480 Joe Budden style is more or less talking about you 2:12:03.560 --> 2:12:06.160 when you're not around. That's not my job. My job 2:12:06.240 --> 2:12:07.760 is to talk about you when you are around. So 2:12:07.840 --> 2:12:11.520 I couldn't use his neither. So I'm searching for the dudes. 2:12:11.520 --> 2:12:15.720 I'm looking at Sausage Jenkins old interview. I'm trying to voice. 2:12:15.720 --> 2:12:17.920 I'm trying to really get good. And what I realized 2:12:18.040 --> 2:12:21.040 my voice was already my voice. Yeah, don't try to 2:12:21.120 --> 2:12:23.400 be don't try to be a second coming of nobody, 2:12:23.760 --> 2:12:26.080 be who to be a second coming of r E 2:12:26.520 --> 2:12:30.360 be r e as as a motherfucking media guy. And 2:12:30.520 --> 2:12:39.560 I found my voice. Got damn so now working for MTV. 2:12:39.760 --> 2:12:44.000 All right now, now jay Z drops the album tomorrow. 2:12:44.200 --> 2:12:53.200 Yeah it's trash, okay, impossible. Look at that that's the 2:12:53.280 --> 2:12:55.320 other biggest jay Z fan in the world. You know, 2:12:55.360 --> 2:12:57.160 I always have arguments with him just to just to 2:12:57.200 --> 2:13:02.440 get Piste off. But let's that's both. You know Jay, 2:13:02.480 --> 2:13:07.400 he's growing on his break. Yeah, he wants to do 2:13:07.480 --> 2:13:12.160 a reggae album. Times not talking about him, that's not 2:13:12.280 --> 2:13:18.680 talking about out of it O wo think it goes 2:13:18.760 --> 2:13:22.360 out does a reggae album. He geld gold front from 2:13:22.480 --> 2:13:28.080 Johnny Dang reggae colors. This nigga I'm hold for you said, 2:13:33.320 --> 2:13:37.560 do you tell home this? Just try? Do you let 2:13:37.640 --> 2:13:42.560 it come out? He's gonna go this is gonna feel it, 2:13:42.760 --> 2:13:45.120 but I'm gonna be the guy to be the bad cop. 2:13:45.720 --> 2:13:48.760 He's gonna play it for you prior to coming up. Yeah, okay, 2:13:52.280 --> 2:13:58.040 remember he got right now. So he's in the rap 2:13:58.120 --> 2:14:02.560 Radar mansion. Let's just let's just stay inut. You're staying. 2:14:03.720 --> 2:14:06.240 You're a mallible rap radar matching the new rap Radar 2:14:06.280 --> 2:14:09.840 matching the mallible bol comes in and you know from 2:14:09.920 --> 2:14:14.440 his swag he just left Kingston because he walked a 2:14:14.520 --> 2:14:22.480 certain certain I don't know why he has a take 2:14:22.520 --> 2:14:24.640 a set, but he has a take a set, Okay, 2:14:24.880 --> 2:14:29.560 and he puts it and you guys are listening, Lion, 2:14:29.720 --> 2:14:34.320 this is the greatest rapper all the time. Now start bottling. 2:14:34.440 --> 2:14:38.760 He's also a guy who cuts the checks. How did 2:14:38.840 --> 2:14:43.120 you tell the Y'allah this is not it? You kind 2:14:43.120 --> 2:14:56.520 of relax, you can tell him think about it's great 2:14:56.520 --> 2:14:59.360 about James. He was like, you know what you're talking about? 2:14:59.600 --> 2:15:02.120 You back the real ship, Like so it's not about 2:15:02.160 --> 2:15:04.200 like nobody can tell him it's not the right thing. 2:15:04.360 --> 2:15:06.680 But you know, I think you had that one stupid 2:15:06.680 --> 2:15:08.720 like one stupid to the whole Snoop Lion this ship. 2:15:08.920 --> 2:15:10.720 I was like, I wasn't I didn't connect. You wasn't 2:15:10.760 --> 2:15:18.840 feeling a realcarnation. I was not stupid stupe lion. I 2:15:18.920 --> 2:15:23.040 went out on some real ants ship. But I didn't 2:15:23.040 --> 2:15:25.040 even all these years, I didn't really knew stop dog 2:15:25.240 --> 2:15:27.280 and now dog me like real cool. But it's like 2:15:27.440 --> 2:15:31.080 he knows I didn't work with the Snoop Lion. Ja 2:15:31.400 --> 2:15:37.560 tak Yeah, that was that's not a class with j class. 2:15:38.080 --> 2:15:40.080 I'm surprised you brought that up. That's a classic. That 2:15:40.160 --> 2:15:41.760 was his first that was that was that's my reggae, 2:15:43.120 --> 2:15:44.720 Like I think it come to the game. Some don't 2:15:44.720 --> 2:15:47.640 get their props about reggae tone. I always get mad 2:15:47.680 --> 2:15:50.200 because people get at you because no, I did reggae tone. 2:15:50.560 --> 2:16:00.400 It wasn't bad. And now look at everybody. Never give me, 2:16:00.920 --> 2:16:07.440 don't get look now, everybody, listen, listen, listen. I lost 2:16:07.720 --> 2:16:15.040 my whole when I listen. My friend, I told you, 2:16:15.160 --> 2:16:20.080 I'll get you next. One of my first fat Joe, 2:16:20.320 --> 2:16:27.600 called me and said, really stop it right now, buck, 2:16:27.640 --> 2:16:32.800 these guys do not continue with this my other friends. 2:16:32.840 --> 2:16:35.000 So the left of me walked in the room and said, 2:16:35.240 --> 2:16:37.120 I don't poke with that ship. That's the way it 2:16:37.160 --> 2:16:39.920 happened in my mind. I went to I went to 2:16:40.080 --> 2:16:44.520 her laughs. I was hanging out New York. I was filming. 2:16:44.640 --> 2:16:46.760 He was always filming. And then you did a verse 2:16:46.840 --> 2:16:55.720 and it sounded to this gig. And when I turned 2:16:55.720 --> 2:16:59.920 the carmes enough to think it was just a product 2:17:00.120 --> 2:17:04.040 bad timing, definitely, you know what, you know, you know what, 2:17:04.640 --> 2:17:08.280 it's so bad to pack myself on the back. But 2:17:08.400 --> 2:17:12.360 I was ahead of my time that the thing was. 2:17:12.720 --> 2:17:15.800 I went we was bad from Hot nighty seven right 2:17:19.400 --> 2:17:23.000 in front of the building started a radio station. I 2:17:23.120 --> 2:17:27.000 was not there, by the way, but I was going 2:17:27.080 --> 2:17:35.720 to Supress, the highway that traffic Honoday seven And the 2:17:35.800 --> 2:17:39.440 only way that could reintroduce us was through this reggae thing. 2:17:40.760 --> 2:17:43.400 So we did a record with Rain Wonder and Lexus 2:17:44.680 --> 2:17:47.520 Girl you want to take My life. You look Jamaica, 2:17:47.560 --> 2:17:52.920 look at you, look at you. So so that was 2:17:53.000 --> 2:17:56.200 how they started to reintroduce us. So I knew when 2:17:56.240 --> 2:17:58.760 I got to Jamaica, I loved this album. It was 2:17:58.840 --> 2:18:02.760 just one problem, this just isn't my island. I love 2:18:02.840 --> 2:18:06.480 the island life. Jamaica taught me the island life. I 2:18:06.640 --> 2:18:10.640 just knew that a part of me belonged somewhere else. 2:18:10.800 --> 2:18:14.000 The island life period Jamaica taught me like that was 2:18:14.080 --> 2:18:16.320 the first time I said, you know what, I'm gonna 2:18:16.400 --> 2:18:17.880 fall in love with the island. But I just knew 2:18:17.920 --> 2:18:20.480 it wasn't myns. So I had to go to mind 2:18:21.440 --> 2:18:24.280 and I winded up in Puerto Rico. And when I 2:18:24.360 --> 2:18:27.600 winded up in Puerto Rico, I found this amazing music 2:18:28.760 --> 2:18:32.240 that yeah, no one funcked with in America. So I 2:18:32.360 --> 2:18:34.920 got back to and I couldn't believe DJ or nothing 2:18:34.959 --> 2:18:37.480 and commit long and these guys wasn't playing it. But 2:18:37.560 --> 2:18:39.320 I looked like a hit to them when I'm saying that, 2:18:39.400 --> 2:18:42.120 I'm like, yo, you're gonna play. You gotta play, daddy Yankee. 2:18:42.200 --> 2:18:53.160 They're like dad yo, this guy like there you go, 2:18:53.840 --> 2:18:56.600 and then don't know more. They're like these names are 2:18:56.800 --> 2:19:03.040 wow and at that time the name sound but you know, 2:19:04.000 --> 2:19:05.560 you know why I saw it with a roll and 2:19:05.800 --> 2:19:08.440 I'm gonna be honest with you. I've brung for Route 2:19:08.720 --> 2:19:11.640 to J. I bron for Route to N And they 2:19:11.720 --> 2:19:14.840 both had the similar story. One act why his shirt 2:19:14.959 --> 2:19:17.279 was so tight and the other acts why his choker 2:19:17.400 --> 2:19:21.120 was so tight. Forget which what which one was? What? 2:19:21.800 --> 2:19:24.520 But then two years later after oh No, because remember 2:19:25.080 --> 2:19:27.200 Corolla didn't just blow up after Super Dogs, a lot 2:19:27.240 --> 2:19:30.640 of people think that what what what came out of here? People? 2:19:30.920 --> 2:19:33.760 People thought we were both lucky. People didn't rush for 2:19:34.160 --> 2:19:36.800 at first. People were like okay, and then oh No 2:19:37.040 --> 2:19:39.760 came out. Then that's when Mrical came with Black You ask, 2:19:40.560 --> 2:19:43.480 so Msica was the first one and then the big 2:19:43.600 --> 2:19:46.480 dogs came. But I don't know all over the place 2:19:50.120 --> 2:19:52.520 because I went to Puerto Rico years before it popped 2:19:52.560 --> 2:19:57.520 off here. Yeah, this is my my my perspective on 2:19:57.640 --> 2:20:01.080 it being Latino like here When I was doing my stuff, 2:20:01.080 --> 2:20:02.640 Everybody's like, oh, you don't do no letter up now 2:20:02.680 --> 2:20:04.600 I speaking. I don't. I was born in America. I 2:20:04.640 --> 2:20:07.320 don't speak Spanish. But then I went to Puerto Rico 2:20:07.480 --> 2:20:10.080 and they was doing straight up hip hop in Spanish 2:20:11.080 --> 2:20:13.400 and my boy Echo shout out to produce a big 2:20:13.680 --> 2:20:16.200 reggaetone producer as well. He took me to a spot 2:20:16.680 --> 2:20:20.680 and it was Aga and all I could see was murder. 2:20:20.760 --> 2:20:27.039 She wrote looped, that's it. He's Spanish, that's all wrote 2:20:27.160 --> 2:20:32.600 flex This whack as but everybody's dancing. But I said, 2:20:32.640 --> 2:20:35.080 this is whack. And then my boy tells me this 2:20:35.280 --> 2:20:37.840 is gonna take over the United States. I said, brother, 2:20:38.080 --> 2:20:39.960 they don't speak Spanish in the United States like that. 2:20:40.320 --> 2:20:42.560 If it wasn't take it over, what's my hip hop 2:20:42.680 --> 2:20:44.400 woun't be no reggae? What's what reggade would be? No 2:20:44.440 --> 2:20:49.760 reggae reggae don you won't have Joe, you won't have 2:20:50.000 --> 2:20:53.200 none of that. Have a real quick This is this 2:20:53.320 --> 2:20:56.840 is my opinion on for all oats. It became an 2:20:56.879 --> 2:21:00.600 economic thing because all the big regga donadoes in the 2:21:00.680 --> 2:21:05.640 beginning that Yankee they don't they're ill lyricists in Spanish 2:21:06.720 --> 2:21:09.840 doing boom back in span we what he was in 2:21:09.920 --> 2:21:12.400 the beginning? Who ate wasn't Dad? Yankee's name was Winchester 2:21:12.560 --> 2:21:15.480 and he was That's what he was, Tony Touch mixtape, 2:21:15.560 --> 2:21:17.520 That's what he was. What I'm trying to say, is 2:21:17.560 --> 2:21:22.720 this the tourist side of the island or the country. 2:21:22.760 --> 2:21:25.120 And wherever they went in Latin America, they wanted to 2:21:25.200 --> 2:21:28.200 hear reggae. That's the dance you need, dance music, and 2:21:28.280 --> 2:21:30.840 there was like, oh ship. It started in Puerto Rico, 2:21:30.920 --> 2:21:33.680 and then it started to spread. It became an economic thing. 2:21:33.800 --> 2:21:36.279 So when I travel these different countries, there's a battle 2:21:36.560 --> 2:21:40.039 in Latin America versus hip hop and they get thrown. 2:21:40.120 --> 2:21:41.800 And now the trap music, which is kind of like 2:21:42.600 --> 2:21:45.400 don't mimicking you know a different thing, and it's an 2:21:45.440 --> 2:21:48.480 economic thing versus art form, and it's like a battle 2:21:48.560 --> 2:21:51.280 versus you know what we talk about all day every day, 2:21:51.400 --> 2:21:54.600 hip hop, boom bad versus this, and that's what's going on. 2:21:54.760 --> 2:21:56.760 That's the beauty of that. Nor being a pie and 2:21:56.800 --> 2:21:59.160 they're like Kanso was playing somewhere right now. It's like 2:21:59.240 --> 2:22:03.400 I love Lucy, Oh, let's play somewhere. I need a brag. Okay, 2:22:07.800 --> 2:22:12.039 let me just tell you something. Um, um, you gotta 2:22:12.080 --> 2:22:15.080 tell it. Tell you guys down story without what because 2:22:15.080 --> 2:22:17.480 I don't think you've ever really told it that it 2:22:17.560 --> 2:22:21.039 was a mixtape version. Yeah. Yeah, Yeah, we're gonna save 2:22:21.080 --> 2:22:25.080 it for Latin, Latin version. We're gonna keep we gonna 2:22:25.120 --> 2:22:27.400 keep it here. We're gonna keep it here. Weren't keep 2:22:27.400 --> 2:22:29.880 it head. We're gonna keep it here this context. So 2:22:30.000 --> 2:22:33.920 you guys smoke champs. Yeah, yes, that's what it is. 2:22:36.360 --> 2:22:40.359 The smoke you guys leave you guys. You guys contract 2:22:41.040 --> 2:22:45.080 with CBS. Yeah, CBS. You guys, contract is going up 2:22:45.120 --> 2:22:49.480 with CBS. I like, he's focused. How do we figure 2:22:49.520 --> 2:22:53.160 out we're going to keep it cultural and stay with 2:22:53.280 --> 2:22:55.480 the culture, because you guys, blew up. You just had 2:22:55.520 --> 2:22:58.800 the Jay Z interview. You just had the Will Smith interview. Technically, 2:22:59.160 --> 2:23:02.760 just over those two interviews alone and countless of other 2:23:02.800 --> 2:23:06.880 classic interviews, but those two interviews alone, anybody will come 2:23:06.920 --> 2:23:08.800 and say, I would like to buy this content. I 2:23:08.840 --> 2:23:11.600 would like that. How do you choose title? But that 2:23:11.760 --> 2:23:14.640 those episodes were on title and I see this contract 2:23:14.720 --> 2:23:16.879 was coming to a close or whatever. The terms were 2:23:16.920 --> 2:23:19.840 and Elliot was just like just felt different, like the 2:23:19.920 --> 2:23:26.440 money was just too inconsistent something they got at the time. 2:23:27.600 --> 2:23:31.760 I'm thankful right they wanted it. Though. Remember when we 2:23:32.480 --> 2:23:35.200 kept going whatever money we were getting, I was happy, like, 2:23:35.400 --> 2:23:38.959 if you give me a nickel nickel, but Elliott saw 2:23:38.959 --> 2:23:40.880 a dollar and I was like, yo, it's cool with 2:23:40.920 --> 2:23:43.720 this nickel. But I guess title he had a new 2:23:43.800 --> 2:23:45.680 situation over there, and I think I want to bring 2:23:45.720 --> 2:23:49.160 it over there. And it was because we gotta blow 2:23:49.240 --> 2:23:51.040 tight up. Because the thing about it is we all 2:23:51.120 --> 2:23:55.280 had an apple. We all have apple, and and I 2:23:55.360 --> 2:23:57.480 said this, I said this before, and I don't want 2:23:57.520 --> 2:23:59.400 people to think this is a racial thing when we 2:23:59.520 --> 2:24:01.760 love all the because because you know, you know, um, 2:24:01.840 --> 2:24:09.200 I love Larry Jackson over at Apples called cherry love 2:24:09.840 --> 2:24:15.200 to all my people. But the thing is, when I 2:24:15.320 --> 2:24:17.960 say this, I'm not saying this this in their positions 2:24:18.000 --> 2:24:21.320 or audition, this in the companies they work for. But 2:24:21.400 --> 2:24:23.360 I like the fact that I can I could hit home. 2:24:24.640 --> 2:24:26.920 I like the records with this guy. I like that 2:24:26.920 --> 2:24:29.039 I did one record with him. It was all Kelly record. 2:24:29.040 --> 2:24:36.200 I'm not proud of it. I like I like you know, 2:24:36.840 --> 2:24:38.680 I like, you know, um, I about to say, I like, 2:24:38.760 --> 2:24:42.400 all Kelly, you got me up. You pick up the 2:24:42.440 --> 2:24:47.960 shot papers, all nice, big up to my people. Shot papers. 2:24:47.959 --> 2:24:51.879 You know what we're doing it and what the smoke channel? 2:24:51.920 --> 2:24:54.280 To make sure you what was I talking about? Come on? 2:24:54.320 --> 2:24:57.200 I was. I was into that, I said, jay Z 2:24:57.440 --> 2:25:00.760 and I like the fact that I could call my CEO. 2:25:01.200 --> 2:25:04.240 Cameron actually said that one time, Cameron, someone could teake 2:25:04.320 --> 2:25:08.040 Cameron after he had left um what was it epic 2:25:08.280 --> 2:25:12.720 or was it? And a sony sony and he had 2:25:12.879 --> 2:25:16.280 signed to jay Z and I remember Cameron saying something 2:25:16.400 --> 2:25:18.880 and it hit me. For pause, it hit me in 2:25:18.959 --> 2:25:21.960 a way I have never been hit prior to that. 2:25:25.440 --> 2:25:31.440 Hit balls hitting the balls that I mean, I understand 2:25:31.680 --> 2:25:36.520 that balls like, but I'm saying it hit so the 2:25:36.600 --> 2:25:38.920 way it hit me. He said, I like the fact 2:25:39.240 --> 2:25:42.400 that he can call his CEO. And when he said that, 2:25:42.520 --> 2:25:46.959 I said, oh ship. And here's the thing. Drink champs 2:25:47.040 --> 2:25:51.720 had became like a thing that people talked about. Didn't 2:25:51.800 --> 2:25:57.280 understand anybody who could cheek the Donas interview never seen. 2:25:57.400 --> 2:25:59.680 That was a hundred and six nine episode. You've never 2:25:59.720 --> 2:26:02.320 seen a hundred and sixty eight because we pick up 2:26:02.360 --> 2:26:06.160 our artists. We didn't do nothing abnormal people like you 2:26:06.240 --> 2:26:08.720 picked him up too much. We picked every fucking body 2:26:08.800 --> 2:26:12.920 up comes. So there came a time again, I know 2:26:13.120 --> 2:26:14.800 ear fings gonna look at me. There came a time 2:26:14.800 --> 2:26:17.480 where certain companies, because it was a one subscription company 2:26:17.520 --> 2:26:21.320 who came at us a subscription company, and when a 2:26:21.360 --> 2:26:29.560 subscription company came out and they so when they came Paul, 2:26:31.640 --> 2:26:34.080 what would be the difference if we do it there 2:26:35.120 --> 2:26:38.200 and if we do it here? So I'll call Charlemagne 2:26:38.240 --> 2:26:42.000 one day. Title was not in the are. This was 2:26:42.160 --> 2:26:49.760 just their situation and the massive pill. And I said, Yo, 2:26:50.000 --> 2:26:52.760 what did you what would you think? And he said, 2:26:54.080 --> 2:26:56.880 you know, sometimes when the culture blow up, the culture 2:26:56.959 --> 2:27:00.520 always get outside the culture. I'm not mad the culture 2:27:00.520 --> 2:27:04.000 to keep it culture. And it was the most simplest 2:27:04.080 --> 2:27:06.600 thing for me to do in the world, right. And 2:27:06.680 --> 2:27:10.200 the thing was, I like the fact that our bosses 2:27:10.360 --> 2:27:13.560 look like us. If they don't mind calling them my boss, 2:27:13.560 --> 2:27:20.440 I don't give a funk. I don't give who's your boss? 2:27:20.560 --> 2:27:25.520 What you want? Oh my god? What did Jay say? 2:27:25.640 --> 2:27:29.200 What's your employer name? With your pieces? I like the 2:27:29.320 --> 2:27:35.400 fact and I like the fact that I'm the guy 2:27:35.480 --> 2:27:37.760 who I'm working with looks like me. I like the 2:27:37.800 --> 2:27:39.480 fact that guy that I do business with to get 2:27:39.520 --> 2:27:42.240 my thing on television looks like me, and he dances 2:27:42.280 --> 2:27:45.720 as well. He's wear shiny suits. I like the fact 2:27:45.800 --> 2:27:48.560 that when you hear us, it comes from a guy 2:27:48.959 --> 2:27:51.320 that if it wasn't for his career, I might have 2:27:51.480 --> 2:27:54.840 even been here anyway. I wasn't rhyming like that before 2:27:54.879 --> 2:27:58.720 Illmatic had to change my whole ship. I think we 2:27:58.840 --> 2:28:01.200 all had to change our up at the Ilmatic. I 2:28:01.240 --> 2:28:03.320 think even Jay would say that. I think Jay did 2:28:03.440 --> 2:28:06.000 say that. Did he say that? He said I thought 2:28:06.040 --> 2:28:09.760 he was all on Blueprint three? So I like the fact. 2:28:10.480 --> 2:28:12.959 And there's certain people who would come and say, well, 2:28:13.040 --> 2:28:18.400 that's a Luminaiti, let's do what What is the next one? 2:28:18.920 --> 2:28:22.160 What do you say to people like that? People? You 2:28:22.200 --> 2:28:24.400 know what they're saying, that you're easy luminite? What they 2:28:24.480 --> 2:28:26.720 say that they say that because you want I'm not that, 2:28:26.840 --> 2:28:29.760 because I'm not that rich, because you want MTV, because 2:28:29.760 --> 2:28:32.400 you want MTV and you want type this is the 2:28:32.480 --> 2:28:36.840 first thing that I have to say. But what did 2:28:37.560 --> 2:28:40.440 the rich one you did for the luminati, the rich, 2:28:41.800 --> 2:28:55.320 come on this show. What do you believe there's something 2:28:55.400 --> 2:29:00.920 called blackballing? Like I asked, somebody think about it. When 2:29:00.959 --> 2:29:04.000 he said, okay, hold on, actually the something called black baller. 2:29:04.080 --> 2:29:07.560 And I think he gave the most best I'll take 2:29:07.640 --> 2:29:10.000 on the side of type the most guest, as you 2:29:10.080 --> 2:29:15.000 don't have to pass the most I wait for Elliott 2:29:18.000 --> 2:29:21.520 get the most best answer. He said, if there's such 2:29:21.600 --> 2:29:24.720 thing as black bailler, would you let them black ball you? 2:29:25.560 --> 2:29:29.760 Now he flipped it though, like, but that's not If 2:29:29.800 --> 2:29:32.080 you got wildfire, you can't be black You can't black 2:29:32.280 --> 2:29:33.520 I don't. I don't believe so many. If you got 2:29:33.600 --> 2:29:35.879 a Twitter account of instant, you can't be black balled. Man. 2:29:36.560 --> 2:29:40.119 So unless those companies black ball you, it's hard. It's 2:29:40.160 --> 2:29:43.080 hard as black for you black ball you in this error. Yeah, 2:29:43.280 --> 2:29:46.039 because again you have a certain direct line to the consumer. 2:29:46.320 --> 2:29:48.520 Right back then we had to go through the direct companies. 2:29:48.680 --> 2:29:51.760 There was a little SoundCloud Freddie Gibbs. Freddie Gibbs left 2:29:51.920 --> 2:29:55.560 UM and did well off for itself. Times back in 2:29:55.640 --> 2:29:59.080 the days, you leave this company and they'll quote unquote 2:29:59.120 --> 2:30:02.600 MA and you'll probably his blacks Like it's gonna make 2:30:02.600 --> 2:30:04.280 it hearty if he had to go through that and 2:30:04.400 --> 2:30:06.760 he overcame it. But this is what I think, and 2:30:06.760 --> 2:30:09.000 you correct me if you think it is right, if 2:30:09.080 --> 2:30:12.040 I say, if I say, I don't funk with Elliott, right, 2:30:13.440 --> 2:30:16.920 all right? So right, So it's not that I'm calling 2:30:17.040 --> 2:30:20.320 him saying don't funk with Elliott. I'm saying it publicly. 2:30:20.360 --> 2:30:24.760 I don't call with Elliott has to make his I'm 2:30:25.000 --> 2:30:28.480 calling him, calling bet and saying, you're be got If 2:30:28.520 --> 2:30:30.520 you standing next to Elliott to me and you got beef, 2:30:30.879 --> 2:30:33.360 I'm not doing that. The thing is you're standing next 2:30:33.400 --> 2:30:35.000 to him, and you know that that's your choice. You 2:30:35.080 --> 2:30:38.039 may climate yeah, because because because I'm trying to tell somebody, 2:30:38.080 --> 2:30:40.200 like I'm trying to tell the individual there's like yo, 2:30:40.480 --> 2:30:42.320 because I know niggers don't want me on a drink chance. 2:30:42.400 --> 2:30:45.320 I'm like, you're stop it, man, listen, man, you gotta stop. 2:30:45.920 --> 2:30:48.760 I like, yo, Never I've never had a conversation with 2:30:48.959 --> 2:30:52.760 j about you. I've never had a conversation but about you. 2:30:52.959 --> 2:30:55.119 I don't have a conversation but not. I'm just starting 2:30:55.160 --> 2:30:57.440 to do business with these people. But the thing is, 2:30:57.720 --> 2:31:02.240 you just think I'm getting wrong. What a billionaire and 2:31:02.320 --> 2:31:07.400 I'm talking about you. I got to figure out who 2:31:07.440 --> 2:31:12.920 this rapper. No, it's not a raper. But the thing 2:31:13.000 --> 2:31:16.320 about it is so many people who lose in life. 2:31:16.360 --> 2:31:18.200 And I'm not I'm not calling this person to lose it, 2:31:18.240 --> 2:31:20.400 but but so many people are losing life. That's what 2:31:20.480 --> 2:31:23.120 they blaming on. They say that. They say that the 2:31:23.160 --> 2:31:24.920 reason why beat Out is winning, or the reason why 2:31:24.920 --> 2:31:27.160 beat Out is on MTV is because he's a part 2:31:27.200 --> 2:31:29.800 of Illumini. You know what I'm saying that it makes 2:31:29.840 --> 2:31:33.160 me feel like success. For you to even say that 2:31:33.280 --> 2:31:36.240 that makes it that makes me feel successful, like I'm 2:31:36.280 --> 2:31:38.440 in Illumina. I don't even think that. I can't even 2:31:38.440 --> 2:31:41.720 get verified on your sign to jay Z brotherly like yes, yes, 2:31:41.760 --> 2:31:44.520 they think you're in a luminality. Yes, this is the 2:31:44.560 --> 2:31:47.080 first time you heard that I'm bringing into your fourth 2:31:47.120 --> 2:31:51.600 first brother. This is and they're saying about me. And 2:31:51.680 --> 2:31:54.280 at first I used to be um flatter because I 2:31:54.360 --> 2:31:56.039 used to be like, all right, that means I'm up. Yeah, 2:31:56.280 --> 2:32:00.960 I'm up. But now that that I'm actually seeing with it, 2:32:01.360 --> 2:32:03.920 I don't like it because I feel like they're taking 2:32:03.920 --> 2:32:05.960 away from my success. I feel like what you're saying, 2:32:06.000 --> 2:32:08.199 I ain't work hard. We got a hundred and sixty 2:32:08.560 --> 2:32:11.480 nine episodes for a reason. You know, we're out here. 2:32:11.760 --> 2:32:15.000 I'm out here with five fucking gold, fucking platinum albums 2:32:15.040 --> 2:32:17.040 for a reason. This man has been DJ and for 2:32:17.400 --> 2:32:19.760 twenty five years and we even touch a fucking crate 2:32:19.840 --> 2:32:24.360 unless it's vinyl because he's fucking for real for a reason. Like, Yeah, 2:32:24.440 --> 2:32:31.280 this nigga is a stubborn guy. So I just say that, 2:32:32.640 --> 2:32:37.360 you know what I'm saying, like like like like this 2:32:37.440 --> 2:32:40.560 is what I'm saying. It's like, um. And when they 2:32:40.640 --> 2:32:43.480 say that, in case you didn't know that, anybody who 2:32:43.560 --> 2:32:46.640 messes with Jay, anybody who kind of like gets close 2:32:47.240 --> 2:32:51.160 what Puffin wins, anybody who who does business with nos 2:32:51.520 --> 2:32:54.200 That's the immediate thing that they say, I happen to 2:32:54.280 --> 2:32:56.600 do business. We happen to do business for all three 2:32:57.520 --> 2:33:01.440 because the business made sense, not because we're down with anything. 2:33:02.080 --> 2:33:04.840 And these things have no control over our ship. That's 2:33:04.959 --> 2:33:07.080 one of the things that we said is like we're 2:33:07.120 --> 2:33:10.600 not changing a damn thing. We're still gonna smoke weed. 2:33:10.760 --> 2:33:13.959 We're still gonna smoke the smoke camps with the white 2:33:13.959 --> 2:33:19.680 ship around it, that looks like cocaine in TBD. And 2:33:20.240 --> 2:33:22.320 when we and we're smoking it out of shine papers, 2:33:22.720 --> 2:33:27.840 shine papers we got. We're gonna be smoking blaze. We're 2:33:27.840 --> 2:33:29.800 gonna be We're gonna be drinking sut. We're gonna be 2:33:29.879 --> 2:33:33.240 drinking space. We usually have a space. Sorry hole today 2:33:33.320 --> 2:33:36.160 I'm still gonna do no listen, listen, you know, let's 2:33:36.240 --> 2:33:38.960 take a week to come here. But I couldn't listen 2:33:39.040 --> 2:33:41.600 listen AI serious man, being honest, I don't need to 2:33:41.640 --> 2:33:52.440 have a conversation with one. Yeah, because a spade is 2:33:52.520 --> 2:33:57.359 very too expensive. But yeah, we got we gotta yourself 2:33:57.440 --> 2:33:59.840 because we want we want this ship to be oh 2:34:00.480 --> 2:34:09.080 wrap you rabble? What the fun rap rappers for us? 2:34:13.800 --> 2:34:16.800 You want to man? And we want you to know brothers. 2:34:16.879 --> 2:34:19.200 You know, I think, y'all, I'm so glad that your 2:34:19.240 --> 2:34:22.160 brothers came and sat down with us because because a 2:34:22.240 --> 2:34:24.360 lot of people doing you know what, a lot of 2:34:29.160 --> 2:34:31.480 a lot of people thought that this was this was 2:34:31.680 --> 2:34:33.720 like a competition or beef and the things like that. 2:34:34.000 --> 2:34:36.520 And the thing is, I've warmed it it. I welcomed 2:34:36.560 --> 2:34:39.440 it because I needed it. I needed to be put 2:34:39.520 --> 2:34:40.880 in my place. I need to be put it on 2:34:40.959 --> 2:34:43.680 my toes pause. I needed to, I needed, you know, 2:34:43.879 --> 2:34:48.200 because yeah, because the thing about it is, the thing 2:34:48.280 --> 2:34:53.120 about it is if anything comes easy to me in life, 2:34:53.160 --> 2:34:56.560 I don't want it like I don't. I don't. I 2:34:56.600 --> 2:34:58.560 don't know how to roll a blunt because it's not 2:34:58.680 --> 2:35:02.400 easy like I want. I want, you know, I want 2:35:02.440 --> 2:35:04.200 to work for it. I want to. And the thing 2:35:04.440 --> 2:35:08.560 was you guys, It was rap rad Off, You guys 2:35:08.680 --> 2:35:10.880 was establishing what was going on. He was the biggest thing. 2:35:11.280 --> 2:35:13.760 And then we came to CBS and it probably felt 2:35:13.760 --> 2:35:19.520 a little crazy and it did. It did. Let me 2:35:19.560 --> 2:35:21.320 tell you what what what? What was? The first thing 2:35:21.760 --> 2:35:23.880 was the time when we interview tax Stone and the 2:35:23.959 --> 2:35:26.800 interviewed see the God. We had road weeds and the 2:35:26.879 --> 2:35:31.360 guy and in the next yeah, yeah, and it was 2:35:31.400 --> 2:35:33.560 like the rap Radar guy said, you guys can't be 2:35:33.640 --> 2:35:48.920 rolling weed in here. He said, was highly upset, yo. 2:35:49.280 --> 2:35:52.960 But let me tell you something be Dot Brian be 2:35:53.120 --> 2:35:56.320 Dot Miller, Elliott Wilson. I want to thank you guys. 2:35:56.520 --> 2:35:58.920 I want to thank you, thank you. I want to 2:35:58.959 --> 2:36:01.640 thank you guys for doing what you do in hip hop. 2:36:01.720 --> 2:36:03.480 I want to thank you guys for holding down what 2:36:03.560 --> 2:36:05.280 you're doing hip hop. I want to thank you guys 2:36:05.360 --> 2:36:08.120 for doing reporting journalism the way it's supposed to be. 2:36:08.360 --> 2:36:11.119 I want to thank you guys for motherfucking monkey foot 2:36:11.160 --> 2:36:13.200 in this game and not stopping. I want to thank 2:36:13.200 --> 2:36:15.080 you guys for upping the game and going out there 2:36:15.080 --> 2:36:17.000 and getting the jay Z and getting the Will Smith 2:36:17.320 --> 2:36:19.680 and getting the fun you gotta do and making sure 2:36:19.760 --> 2:36:21.720 your interviews is on point to make sure that my 2:36:21.840 --> 2:36:23.720 ship is on point, because I watched it me one 2:36:23.760 --> 2:36:25.760 of your motherfucking ship to make sure that I can 2:36:25.800 --> 2:36:27.440 step it up. And I want to thank you in 2:36:27.520 --> 2:36:29.920 your face, not behind your back, to tell you we 2:36:30.000 --> 2:36:32.360 appreciate what you do for the Coach, that we appreciate 2:36:32.640 --> 2:36:35.160 what you do for the podcast game, and we appreciate 2:36:35.240 --> 2:36:37.040 what you're doing for title, because we're gonna make this 2:36:37.080 --> 2:36:47.680 ship the new Apple, Last Last. I gotta come on 2:36:52.440 --> 2:36:55.680 those big shots though I've been noticing. Yeah, I think 2:36:55.720 --> 2:37:02.600 it's been going crazy. Solo, Yo, Solo, Thank you so much, man. 2:37:02.959 --> 2:37:06.560 That was like a four hour conversation and