Speaker 1: And his Drink Chess motherfucking podcast. He's a legendary Queen's rappers.
Speaker 1: He's like, is your boy in o R. He's a
Speaker 1: Miami hip hop pioneer. D J e f N. Together
Speaker 1: they drinking up with some of the biggest players in
Speaker 1: the most professional, unprofessional podcast and yet number one sorts
Speaker 1: for drunk fast drinks. Motherfucks New year' z. That's like,
Speaker 1: it's time for drink champ trick up? Motherfuck? Would it good?
Speaker 1: Be hoping he would have? Should be? This is your boy?
Speaker 1: And oh what up is d j e FN? This
Speaker 1: real taming crazy wall motherfucking y'all. I don't know what
Speaker 1: I say now. When it comes to journalists, these two
Speaker 1: brothers right here are the forefront of it. One brother
Speaker 1: is a goal to other brothers on his way to
Speaker 1: be a goal. One brother has been in every magazine
Speaker 1: from EGO, Trip to Vibe to x Excel to the Source.
Speaker 1: The other brother has just landed a multile monkey foot
Speaker 1: job at MTV and he's pushing the culture. These brothers
Speaker 1: got together. They formed website that was backed by eminem
Speaker 1: and was one of the greatest. Then they formed their podcast,
Speaker 1: Coming and they brought it over with Hove and they
Speaker 1: backed by Tile. Right now, when it comes to journalists,
Speaker 1: you come to the people that's gonna brought the forefront
Speaker 1: of our culture on their back. These two brothers are here.
Speaker 1: We was down with him on CBS and now we're
Speaker 1: down with them the case you don't know, and we
Speaker 1: were talking about we're talking about motherfucking being down all
Speaker 1: for both of you guys. Thank thank you, thank you
Speaker 1: both for both of you guys. This isn't no problem.
Speaker 1: But this isn't no no, no people. I've been focused
Speaker 1: later because but now, this is not an overnight thing
Speaker 1: for y'all. Like a lot of people might see you
Speaker 1: bet on uh MTV or see you know, Elliott on
Speaker 1: the Crown episode and see he pulled off for Nicki Minaja,
Speaker 1: see pulled off for Ross and people thinking that this is, like,
Speaker 1: you know, just some overnight thing. I want to I
Speaker 1: want to describe it from the beginning for both of y'all,
Speaker 1: you know, whichever way you want to take it, from
Speaker 1: the beginning, how did you fall in love with hip
Speaker 1: hop and get involved with journalist? You know from Queen's right.
Speaker 1: So it's always been part of been part of where
Speaker 1: we at you know what I'm saying. So I just
Speaker 1: fell in love with listening to people like yourself, not
Speaker 1: that good agree man, agreeing, listening to the greats. And
Speaker 1: when I went to college, I realized I get a
Speaker 1: check off of it to Delaware State University. I remember
Speaker 1: you performed it. I never say that. I'm just about
Speaker 1: to say this performing And he was like, YO, say
Speaker 1: it's hot, jail get it. I definitely remember that. The
Speaker 1: girls are easy out. You're married now, so so how
Speaker 1: about you, um um Elliott, You've been a little bit
Speaker 1: more season in the game. Same thing. Growing up in
Speaker 1: Queen Run dmc L like those were like the blueprint, like,
Speaker 1: you know, loving hip hop and then you know, probably
Speaker 1: first seeing the source that you could like have a
Speaker 1: magazine it then the first time you wanted to like
Speaker 1: because you know, because because being a fan of the culture,
Speaker 1: and because you know, a lot of people can watch basketball.
Speaker 1: There's not a lot of people who can cover basketball,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So you know what started
Speaker 1: was sports with me. My father wanted me to be
Speaker 1: a baseball player because he want his dream was to
Speaker 1: play baseball, So he actually wanted to name me Roberto Clemente.
Speaker 1: You could have been Roberto you know this black and
Speaker 1: my mom is Ecuadorian and green, just like he said
Speaker 1: Wilson Junior like I was some Franks. And so I
Speaker 1: grew up playing sports, a lot of baseball growing up.
Speaker 1: And then by the time I got fifteen sixty, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not good enough to like go pro,
Speaker 1: Like I'm good, but I ain't outstanding and ship. Um.
Speaker 1: So I looked at sports writing, remember like going wonder Wolf,
Speaker 1: Let's go to the video tape and how yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: I I got attracted to that. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: maybe I could do that, could be a sports report.
Speaker 1: I could be a sports writer. Um. And then when
Speaker 1: you know, I started losing more interest in sports. The
Speaker 1: music and seeing that the music could be documented, you know,
Speaker 1: just excited me. And I was like that really was
Speaker 1: my only career go, I tell you only. My first
Speaker 1: career goal was to be music out of the source.
Speaker 1: Well I wanted to be I wanted to get all
Speaker 1: the albums before anybody else got the albums, and I
Speaker 1: wanted to give the mics out. That's my only dream.
Speaker 1: So the source was so the source was already five
Speaker 1: topping prior to you. Yes, okay, I didn't, but they were.
Speaker 1: They weren't as big as I thought they were. But
Speaker 1: at the time, because I had Ego Trip, I had
Speaker 1: an independent thing going on with r Jenkings. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: we didn't we thought the source. Once they got national,
Speaker 1: they were so far ahead, you know, and I was
Speaker 1: And again I just fell in love, I thought, because
Speaker 1: it was the first like I want again. I wanted
Speaker 1: that position. I saw Reginald C. Dennis with the shades
Speaker 1: and like the whole thing of like getting access to
Speaker 1: the music. That's the only thing about the streaming era.
Speaker 1: All fans not get all this access to the music
Speaker 1: whatever DSP they signed up to. And you know, like
Speaker 1: Nory I got you remember when your album was rolling out,
Speaker 1: your album, so album they sent like a four tracks.
Speaker 1: So I hadn't even before that because I was just
Speaker 1: sent it to the lab, to the pub. But this
Speaker 1: department sending to the magazine. So at n RV, I
Speaker 1: think I had Body of the Trunk, I believe. So
Speaker 1: I had Body of the Trunk, had super Dog. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is amazing, Like this is like Noriy like like
Speaker 1: so that's what you did, Like you got the media
Speaker 1: to be that the thing I learned with the media.
Speaker 1: You would get the advanced cassette the artists before they
Speaker 1: roll out to get under set. And then with I
Speaker 1: used to I used to yeah, I used to lie
Speaker 1: to say I was a DJ to get the vinyl.
Speaker 1: I remember I was at the record store and I
Speaker 1: wanted to buy the reminisce over you. It's like two
Speaker 1: and he Smooth. Yeah, this guy was called himself Seeing
Speaker 1: Smooth at Rock and Soul Records wouldn't sell me the record,
Speaker 1: and I was like, y'all want to buy the records.
Speaker 1: I know it's a white label. I'm like what then
Speaker 1: everybody label yeah, but they were saving the white label
Speaker 1: for like Clark Kent, like DJ. So it cut my
Speaker 1: hand just figuring out label. It was that and the
Speaker 1: fake in the Funk remix. So I lied and said
Speaker 1: I was a DJ, one of the Guide community. So
Speaker 1: I used to put and when I went to was
Speaker 1: in my thing. It was like like I was like,
Speaker 1: don't send me the record. I'm gonna go pick up
Speaker 1: the record. So I would go up to the labels
Speaker 1: like don't say it to me. I don't get my ship,
Speaker 1: but steal my male. So I'll go up to the labels,
Speaker 1: and I want to lecture records to get the reminisce
Speaker 1: over you twelve inch And the college prone guy was
Speaker 1: a guy named Fred Jackson, and Fred Jackson had a
Speaker 1: book of all the contacts at every label. I was like,
Speaker 1: this is like a kid that kid saw. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get all these records. I'm calling like Eric Shelton and
Speaker 1: all those guys, like all these old promo guys. So yeah,
Speaker 1: just just the love of the music, just getting my
Speaker 1: hands on it, getting getting access to the content. The
Speaker 1: labels had the power, like the content was there, right,
Speaker 1: so the gate keeper, they were the gate keeper. They
Speaker 1: control the content. Now the content goes direct from artists
Speaker 1: to the consumer. So how crazy it is it for
Speaker 1: both of you guys. You know, um, it's your it's
Speaker 1: your job to actually interview the new guys, right. I
Speaker 1: don't want to interview the new guys. I hate him, Right,
Speaker 1: I've just got a whole argument about Yeah, yeah, we
Speaker 1: went into the whole thing about because I just feel
Speaker 1: like they're not season yet. Like in order for me
Speaker 1: to speak to you, I have to be able to
Speaker 1: indulge with you. Most of these guys are on leading
Speaker 1: on and on and they give you that one word answer.
Speaker 1: I was on that side of the offence, and I
Speaker 1: know that one more answer me might I might not
Speaker 1: be working with you what I'm saying. So it's to
Speaker 1: be fair, it's not all of them. It's not all
Speaker 1: of them. It's definitely not all of them. There's there's
Speaker 1: some greats out there, but I would like them to
Speaker 1: be great before they performed on my platform. But how
Speaker 1: hard is it for you guys when you sit down
Speaker 1: with a new artist and you see them come late
Speaker 1: or cancel? Oh okay, okay, okay, okay. What you've got
Speaker 1: hard stories that you're willing to tell us about you?
Speaker 1: Of the artists right to the d in Canada, we
Speaker 1: didn't talk about this publicly. We actually talked about it
Speaker 1: um private setting that wasn't on a camera, right, But
Speaker 1: that's the first time we ever talked about it. Last
Speaker 1: year we had Drake booked. It was at the height
Speaker 1: of the beef and we went out to the Meek
Speaker 1: push your teeth. We're just talking about cool, cool things
Speaker 1: happened until they happened. It was Scorpion right before Scorpion
Speaker 1: and just dropped or just drop. Yeah, that's Okay. So
Speaker 1: we went out to Canada. You know, we went to
Speaker 1: l A. Okay. It was almost like secret mission. We
Speaker 1: ain't tell nobody, Like we booked the Getting Museum out
Speaker 1: in Mallible I think it is. It's like some real fans,
Speaker 1: a big retainer right right out there. And we were
Speaker 1: supposed to do it on the Sunday, like around five
Speaker 1: o'clock or whatever. I get an email from this guy Elliott.
Speaker 1: It's not happening. I'm like me, like, at four o'clock,
Speaker 1: let who was the CBS. I had them all excited,
Speaker 1: it's my man's name. Who was the wife burning car?
Speaker 1: He was like, he was like, yo, he's doing because
Speaker 1: it was basically stalked him the first time. This is
Speaker 1: the second time. He canceled him the second time. First
Speaker 1: time was the CBS. He was ready to do it
Speaker 1: the same thing twenty five hours notes. So we had
Speaker 1: a little planning out because he was doing SNL that Saturday,
Speaker 1: so we knew he was in New York all week.
Speaker 1: We just had to get him from fucking SNL to
Speaker 1: that CBS spot. You know how close that ship is,
Speaker 1: Like we're gonna, yeah, this story amountable, So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go back first. This is the first time he canceled.
Speaker 1: Take it back, Yeah, of course, and already for the
Speaker 1: late night thing, and he canceled last minute. He said.
Speaker 1: He sent me a note that morning like I was
Speaker 1: a girl like it was like a break up text,
Speaker 1: break up text like he's like. He was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: this is gonna hurt you, but you know you think
Speaker 1: about it, It's gonna be the right decision. Comfortable doing
Speaker 1: this yet you know, I was like, funk, like this guy,
Speaker 1: and I had Bryan Coston those guys ready, you're gonna
Speaker 1: take it like a ten PM the CBS things. Everybody's
Speaker 1: so you cancel twenty hours. So when we got this one,
Speaker 1: I thought, okay, he said five minutes prior the same day,
Speaker 1: the day before going back to Malibu. What happened is
Speaker 1: but b I didn't know is we were doing. We
Speaker 1: were dealing direct with Drakes. I was like, Okay, we're
Speaker 1: gonna get it like bhin thing Um and the Future
Speaker 1: the Prince found out his manager. So Future sents me
Speaker 1: down to something like real like and you know what's funny,
Speaker 1: like I would say, like the new generation of managers
Speaker 1: like him and him with you know, we come from
Speaker 1: that Roddy era where everybody's like gatested you. Maybe he
Speaker 1: was so smooth. We'd have a nice little lunch he's
Speaker 1: talking to me about. I was like Gage, like, does
Speaker 1: he know I'm about to do Drake tomorrow? I can't
Speaker 1: get And then finally like, yeah, I gotta pull Drake
Speaker 1: out of the thing. I gotta pull Drake out of
Speaker 1: the thing. And you know the thing is with the
Speaker 1: Apple deal, which I don't think it's it's now had
Speaker 1: to do and you know, it was like they were
Speaker 1: gonna step out and do it, but it would have
Speaker 1: piste off the situation and up there situation. So basically,
Speaker 1: Drake is probably our biggest thing where he's canceled on
Speaker 1: us with twenty four hours. Noticed twice that hurt Man
Speaker 1: and the getting ship. That was like we had the
Speaker 1: whole works, and it was to Canada, you know, like
Speaker 1: we said that wasn't planning on because we were going
Speaker 1: back and forth with him about locations. Miami was a
Speaker 1: location you just go to Obio Fest. He went, okay,
Speaker 1: both for y'all, Yeah, we didn't get the interview with
Speaker 1: that though we knew weren't gonna get it yet. But
Speaker 1: and then he end doing the shop, he get to
Speaker 1: get the content to the shop. When he did the
Speaker 1: lebron right when that came out, we were we were
Speaker 1: highly set. I mean, I mean, I know people that's
Speaker 1: close to him that he's a fan of our show,
Speaker 1: and he'll never do it. You know what's honestly, sometimes
Speaker 1: that's honestly the most um how do you call it?
Speaker 1: It's sometimes it's the most complimentary because I would robbing
Speaker 1: you tell me not you don't want to do the show,
Speaker 1: then come do my show and then tell me. Don't
Speaker 1: ask me that did it right now? Well I wasn't
Speaker 1: see that. Well, no, I'm gonna be honest. I wnna
Speaker 1: be honest. That was after But this is the first
Speaker 1: day we squads to be like like, I mean, because
Speaker 1: we had already had spoke. We had never seen each other.
Speaker 1: We seen each other at Club Live. No, that doesn't
Speaker 1: exist when I've seen him in club Live. Um, I
Speaker 1: think this is when Drink Champs had just started, right,
Speaker 1: But at the time I was actually filming my food show.
Speaker 1: So when I said with something, I was like, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I need you on my show. And he was like yeah,
Speaker 1: the ship right, And I was like yeah, and I'm
Speaker 1: doing the food show and I just remember him looking
Speaker 1: at me like, what the fun is he doing? Like
Speaker 1: he just looked at me like my man is out
Speaker 1: here lost, but it's okay, so um uh. Then after that,
Speaker 1: that's when Drink Champs had actually got our shot. Then
Speaker 1: we went to him and he had opening the Sweet
Speaker 1: Chick right when we went. Accidentally, it was after we
Speaker 1: recorded that thing with Onyx or Dame Dash or something.
Speaker 1: No it was Onyx. It was was it back to
Speaker 1: back that No? No, yeah, it was on it, And
Speaker 1: then we went to Sweet Chick and then we went
Speaker 1: to Sweet Chick. Yeah, and then he and then he
Speaker 1: promied he was he knew what the engineer was, so
Speaker 1: I want you know what the engineer was. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: this guy's watching. You know what I'm saying, because you can,
Speaker 1: you can anybody could look and say, all right, you know,
Speaker 1: all right, see these certain people, the people in the background.
Speaker 1: And to tell you the truth, I don't want to
Speaker 1: say I thought he was lying. I just thought he was,
Speaker 1: you know, just giving me the the industry ship until
Speaker 1: he said, y'all, I know who he is, but know
Speaker 1: who it is. And I was like, damn, okay, was genuine.
Speaker 1: It was. It was just it's just like grass once
Speaker 1: you finally deliver. Yeah, because yeah, you can phone to
Speaker 1: the ball you guys, and let me just tell you something.
Speaker 1: Let me just tell you some Let me be honest.
Speaker 1: Let me just address a situation because a lot of
Speaker 1: people critique me about not asking him about Jake. Just right,
Speaker 1: all right, let me just tell you guys something because
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if
Speaker 1: the E got the episode is coming out prior to
Speaker 1: this or after this. But I just did a whole
Speaker 1: two hour interview with Gotti. You know how many questions
Speaker 1: I asked? Zero zero because it's not funny to me.
Speaker 1: That time ain't funny to me. The situation is funny
Speaker 1: to me. I don't want to throw gas on anything
Speaker 1: that's already burning. If anything, let me throw some water
Speaker 1: on and if I could throw warter on this making
Speaker 1: it go more, I'm not even throw water on it.
Speaker 1: So you know what, I just let the ship go.
Speaker 1: You even trying to go there, I was like, because
Speaker 1: you know, my brother put my head down, did something.
Speaker 1: I think we just we just turned it because like
Speaker 1: like to tell you the too, how what more can
Speaker 1: you get from me from the Jay's story that you
Speaker 1: can get from anybody else, Like like he's told it
Speaker 1: so many times. Jay has told us so many times
Speaker 1: their brothers is on a great and a great accordingance
Speaker 1: with each other. Why would I even know something like that?
Speaker 1: Why would I tell people? How you looking like the
Speaker 1: Drake Push or even um drinking Meek, Like somebody may
Speaker 1: lose a battle and used to think that you lost
Speaker 1: a battle was done, but now we're seeing that's not
Speaker 1: the wrong. Like people level up in different ways, like
Speaker 1: cow Meeks leveled up. Look, how you know Drake lost
Speaker 1: the battle of Pushing, but Drake had a phenomenal year
Speaker 1: run the summer and that Kiki and all that ship
Speaker 1: in my feelings and all that, Like, so who's the
Speaker 1: real winner? Now? I definitely got one, And I definitely
Speaker 1: didn't want to reiterate that situation with him, Like, also,
Speaker 1: you ain't got new information to it, then what's the point?
Speaker 1: Definitely I definitely didn't. I definitely don't. And I love
Speaker 1: the fact that I was able to do businesses. That's
Speaker 1: crazy what the time saying like I couldn't because we
Speaker 1: sat there and obviously went to a Big Dinner, Happy Birthday, Biggs.
Speaker 1: It was bigg dinner, and I've seen puffing and Jay talking,
Speaker 1: and I was like, you know what, I'm kind of
Speaker 1: gonna make these guys live live, like you guys are
Speaker 1: saying black Excellent. And the thing is titled like for
Speaker 1: those who don't know, jay Z is really out here
Speaker 1: living this. Actually don't want to own your material for
Speaker 1: a couple of days and then yeah, that's still to me,
Speaker 1: like anybody, because you know, a lot of people could
Speaker 1: teach us um like like, you know, we could have
Speaker 1: went to these big we could have went to a
Speaker 1: couple of different places. And I said, you know what
Speaker 1: it's really is about ownership at this, especially what I've
Speaker 1: been through with the record industry. For me to go
Speaker 1: through that in the podcast, I would just be the
Speaker 1: stupidest man in the world. So I had to take
Speaker 1: it to Silverman. I have no idea, you know, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: because he's not giving the thing about this this I
Speaker 1: don't know this situation. But the thing about is this.
Speaker 1: I think Daylight Soul will be happy splitting fifty percent
Speaker 1: of their royalties three three different ways. Tom Silman, you
Speaker 1: still win still, But for you to do that and
Speaker 1: take people and they're not trying to leverage the majority
Speaker 1: at all that so so be that, Um, where did
Speaker 1: you land How did you land this MTV get I
Speaker 1: don't you know what, It's gonna sound cliche, but I
Speaker 1: just think by doing a good job, that's dope, Like
Speaker 1: just by doing the work. Because they reached out to
Speaker 1: me and it was like, yo, you know you have credibility.
Speaker 1: You know, we've seen your work obviously over the course
Speaker 1: of the years, and they just wanted to bring that
Speaker 1: established that credibility back to MTV News. So we had
Speaker 1: a meeting and me and a couple of suits and
Speaker 1: still with epic or no not no. They said it
Speaker 1: was a conflict allegedly MTV Man TV is a conflict,
Speaker 1: that's what That's what I was told. He was out
Speaker 1: hit me too, picked TV. You know that's why that man. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But yeah, they reached out and you know the rescient
Speaker 1: history even in since April, so things have been good
Speaker 1: so far. Little no access new guys. Yeah, I interview
Speaker 1: rock stars, pop guys and stuff like that. So it's different.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm happy because it's stepping outside of my
Speaker 1: comfort zone. Like the first time I interviewing a rock
Speaker 1: and roll guy and stuff like that. So it's fun.
Speaker 1: I want to real quick what I'm just curious, what
Speaker 1: is the new like strategy for someone like an MTV
Speaker 1: nowadays it's digital digital, you know. It's just like you
Speaker 1: know when you're demographic, you know, so so a lot
Speaker 1: of the interviews on social media. You know, one interview
Speaker 1: might be on YouTube or the other one might be
Speaker 1: on Twitter. So just all the just kind of they
Speaker 1: got it together now because before all the yea, they
Speaker 1: didn't know what to do, right, you know, like we're
Speaker 1: trying to focus and bring it credibility back to the music,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So when you used to
Speaker 1: hold that microphone, had an MTV and right, So we're
Speaker 1: just trying to bring that kind of energy back to
Speaker 1: the game. So that's what we had with it. Oh,
Speaker 1: proud of my guy. Proud of me too. I wanted
Speaker 1: to about me and you know, like Max the album
Speaker 1: called I Want to Thank Me. That's the norm. So
Speaker 1: have you ever picked the artist Elliott and been wrong?
Speaker 1: Oh a lot of times? Man, Like a weas talking
Speaker 1: about it's mean that dude, but I always talk about
Speaker 1: Cheney like putting him on the cover, like because the
Speaker 1: thing is like I used to be like, you know what,
Speaker 1: sometimes I'll be like, well, people look at magazines and
Speaker 1: be like, oh, this is a really cool cover they did,
Speaker 1: but I know the time in the error, it didn't sell,
Speaker 1: like I had to sell magazines, so O favored niggas
Speaker 1: that putting numbers up. But gold and platinum like that
Speaker 1: was how it was doing. That's that's why he kept
Speaker 1: getting the looks because fifty was doing numbers like he
Speaker 1: wasn't only just the hottest underground, he was multiplatinum. So
Speaker 1: Cheney's coming off three million with the right there, you know,
Speaker 1: the second album, so he's the biggest whatever. I did
Speaker 1: a cover with him and that that ship just flopped.
Speaker 1: No one bought it and no one bought it. But
Speaker 1: but that was right the same time coming off this
Speaker 1: is what he got cover that's way down the roa
Speaker 1: that don't get you a cover coming off the Triple platte,
Speaker 1: that's that was called a break. But yeah, all the time,
Speaker 1: I mean I remember dealing with all the energy of
Speaker 1: like no shots to them but cannabis. Right, he was
Speaker 1: slaying the on mixtape scene like and then but he
Speaker 1: put out the album of White Clapping, and Ship didn't
Speaker 1: live up to it. You know, a lot of us
Speaker 1: in media were like already hacking him up. So when
Speaker 1: he had to come back and say, nah, this ain't hitting,
Speaker 1: that caused a lot of drama with everything from Blaze
Speaker 1: to all these different magazines. So because we have Xeno
Speaker 1: on here recently, and he said his lowest selling cover
Speaker 1: was IRV Gotti. He said, he said, I was the lowest.
Speaker 1: He said that cause I asked him, I said, and
Speaker 1: he said at the time that he was, you know,
Speaker 1: representing for John IRV and C. So, um, so, how
Speaker 1: does that really work? Like? Um? When because like I mean,
Speaker 1: you guys really had people's careers in your hand like
Speaker 1: you ever you ever gave you guys were gatekeepers as well,
Speaker 1: you ever gave a bad review? And what's wrong about that? Uh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sure I don't know more Report Game four and
Speaker 1: a half, you know, wen't know we got four? How
Speaker 1: you how you screwed me on the War report. Let's
Speaker 1: talking about it. I had I was actually a tower,
Speaker 1: y'all had like calmed down and Ship you got stuck
Speaker 1: on you. We had a record card stuck on a
Speaker 1: couple of records. Yeah, that we didn't use. We couldn't
Speaker 1: clear the clear sample. That's true. I'm going off the
Speaker 1: advanced cassette's right. He's actually right. The Roy's DUSTI is
Speaker 1: proviolates the whole thing and all prepared like and at
Speaker 1: the time, you know, Carress wanted God so I I got.
Speaker 1: I got next album, which was not one of his
Speaker 1: best albums, so he got to leave review he got
Speaker 1: three and a half and then you see the second
Speaker 1: reviews like seeing that four mix. But but it's like,
Speaker 1: who the fucking seeing that? Because back then people that
Speaker 1: didn't know thought they was like a fake mob. That's true.
Speaker 1: That was that was know like they didn't know, they
Speaker 1: didn't know the people behind it, but theyren't true and
Speaker 1: they hadn't heard enough. That's in the inside of the industry.
Speaker 1: We knew about it. We knew this ship is about
Speaker 1: to change the game, or even in New York per
Speaker 1: se because maybe people yeah, we at least that these
Speaker 1: things about to shake it up in New York. And
Speaker 1: you know, busses on driving seat crazy like it has
Speaker 1: all New York's energy. So we do it. It comes
Speaker 1: out everybody's like, how to fun you disrespect the god
Speaker 1: teaching cameras but TNF and then you'll think it's pussed
Speaker 1: the album back, oh to no album. So I'm out
Speaker 1: here holding the B no album to mix. I'm dangling
Speaker 1: for mix no. You know, actually Dan y'all, Dan y'all
Speaker 1: came back and then you'll added that R and B
Speaker 1: ship the closes were cleared that sample Sam and then
Speaker 1: you'll used the four mix is the ad campaign if
Speaker 1: your campaign, And then it came out later. But I
Speaker 1: was like early just you know, we couldn't clear the sample.
Speaker 1: We us back then, we didn't know that we had
Speaker 1: to clear sample and you know you were penalty. Well well,
Speaker 1: you know, the whole time he was underground doing like
Speaker 1: underground mixtapes, we never thought about clearing sample. So when
Speaker 1: we um and which was you know, I don't want
Speaker 1: to take a shot, but you know, Trashold knew better,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And the fact not nothing
Speaker 1: to take no no shot at, but the fact that
Speaker 1: when I thought that he thought we wasn't gonna get caught,
Speaker 1: which is like a good way to think of it.
Speaker 1: But then up you know, Sam Cooking and all these
Speaker 1: people that we were sampling they're gonna find out. So
Speaker 1: then we had to go in and we had to
Speaker 1: do it over. But you're absolutely right there. It was
Speaker 1: a record call stuck on you, and it was it
Speaker 1: was actually dope because we had a record call stuck
Speaker 1: on you instead of stick you, and it was like
Speaker 1: it was like a soft record. And you said that
Speaker 1: in the viewew like it was the holy record that
Speaker 1: wasn't good. And I was like, you know what, take
Speaker 1: that ship over, and we take the ship over. So
Speaker 1: it was a report question, OK, no problem all the time,
Speaker 1: but I just wanted to know, like bust on driving,
Speaker 1: see why is he like half on the like, well
Speaker 1: to tell you the truth, Buster and Fat Joe. I
Speaker 1: do not want to say that this is a clearer
Speaker 1: this thing with them. I want to say that they
Speaker 1: were prepared and we had to turn in the album.
Speaker 1: Fat Joe was actually on Channel ten wants to no, no,
Speaker 1: no no. He didn't lay his verse his verse, and
Speaker 1: I forget what happened, and for some reason he never
Speaker 1: laid it. Nabs was on music making let us calm down, um,
Speaker 1: and it didn't clear. That's the reason why he made
Speaker 1: it up to me and did firm album and so
Speaker 1: I'm saying on driving seat bus driving. See, he was
Speaker 1: supposed to be on there. He had knew who Eman
Speaker 1: Thug was. Eman Thug was this real underground only two
Speaker 1: people who knew, not the only two people, but the
Speaker 1: two people those big Emon Thugs fans. Was Mace how
Speaker 1: the fun Dollars become a fan of the most burden Boutervard.
Speaker 1: So it was Mace and Buster. So Buster came in
Speaker 1: and he just spoke on it. He was forced to
Speaker 1: lay a verse. But we just we were so underground
Speaker 1: that we took that we just took was just like yo,
Speaker 1: fuck it and that was that. But that's what you see.
Speaker 1: I was shifted though with your solo career, and like
Speaker 1: everybody that was doubting, seeing then when Nori dropped those
Speaker 1: records and the sampler came out of everybody was like no,
Speaker 1: I was up at the was like I was like,
Speaker 1: oh yea six months ago and then no, he had
Speaker 1: that momentum and then you know, you delivered with that album.
Speaker 1: Ye stink. You stank you so much. So now okay,
Speaker 1: you guys Um, at some point you leave the it's
Speaker 1: more towards you, elliott Um. The sources, the Bible. It's
Speaker 1: the hip hop bix. What happens for you to start
Speaker 1: thinking that you're gonna leave and you're not. You're not
Speaker 1: just leaving. You're going to the the Mets, if you're
Speaker 1: the Yankees, you're going to the opposite. You're going to
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Uh, what is it? The
Speaker 1: Lakers Worth Celtics. Like you're leaving Larry birds as as
Speaker 1: a Celtics and you're going to Magic Johnson and joining
Speaker 1: the Lakers? Like how how did you come up with decision?
Speaker 1: And then how did you execute it? Um? Corrupt had
Speaker 1: a song called five Mics. Uh. So it was like
Speaker 1: the hook was like five mix. They're a kid to
Speaker 1: the store, say Corrupt, hold your cool with Mays and
Speaker 1: like he came off these planes back and five mix.
Speaker 1: I'm like, Oh, it's gonna be some chickers. It's thinking
Speaker 1: so called five mix. Um. So, when his album came out,
Speaker 1: I think it was Corruption or whatever. I didn't like
Speaker 1: the album as much as you know, I'm a fan
Speaker 1: Corrupt though, but the album wasn't it? And I think
Speaker 1: that had that that review and another review. I think
Speaker 1: it was maybe shock or something and the mics I
Speaker 1: had given, they went back and changed the mics and
Speaker 1: didn't tell me. Okay, so usually argue it out with
Speaker 1: zeros and they was the editor at that time doing that.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't his fault day. They may stepped in
Speaker 1: and it was his decision because with them, I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe they just know it was to be fair. It
Speaker 1: could be because they thought the album was better whatever,
Speaker 1: But I hadn't never had them like go over my
Speaker 1: head and like changed the content because I would, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm real meticulous. I want to sign off on every
Speaker 1: page just like yeah. So I got the issue back
Speaker 1: and they changed everything, and I just called the meeting
Speaker 1: and I was like, you guys don't respect change. Who
Speaker 1: else corrupt? Really was corruption? I was called corruption? And
Speaker 1: you gave him and you gave him two mics. I
Speaker 1: think I gave him like I was gonna give him
Speaker 1: two or two and a half in the gave him
Speaker 1: a free like something small, and then like something else
Speaker 1: got knocked down to like are it's like a half
Speaker 1: mike or whatever, Like I'm young, I'm you know, I'm frustrated,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, course you don't respect me, you know,
Speaker 1: because my dream was like to already do it. It
Speaker 1: was just like I felt the weight of like what
Speaker 1: that means, like fun the industry ship. I was just
Speaker 1: being young, How was he? I was on some industry
Speaker 1: The ning is in the barbershop. Noticed it is trash.
Speaker 1: I gotta represent the people like there was no internet
Speaker 1: to now. Motherfuckers will tell your real time and ship
Speaker 1: is trash. There's no hiding it. But back then, if
Speaker 1: I don't go to whistle and say it's trash, we're
Speaker 1: living a lot. It is hot that we want we
Speaker 1: want to see the locks of space suits. We want
Speaker 1: to see that. We want them to put the the
Speaker 1: gene suit on to get get busy. So I carried
Speaker 1: that weight and that Yeah, I just I just quit
Speaker 1: on some like emotion ship of just feeling like I
Speaker 1: wasn't expected. I didn't feel like I was ever fully embraced.
Speaker 1: I did what I had to do. I didn't but
Speaker 1: I didn't know I was going to double xel. I
Speaker 1: hadn't trip which I had on today. We worked in
Speaker 1: an ego trip book of rapplers. So I jumped myself
Speaker 1: into that and then after doing that put my head
Speaker 1: down and working on that excel holid at me and
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, back then it was like
Speaker 1: the fourth for fit, Like there was rap pages that
Speaker 1: was blazed pages. Yeah, it was like they weren't even
Speaker 1: the third, they were maybe the fit for the four.
Speaker 1: And I was remember so then, yeah, I just I
Speaker 1: wanted a chance to show I could be that during Chiefs,
Speaker 1: I could run the table. So that's that was a
Speaker 1: year later, and that's what. But the thing was when
Speaker 1: I took over ex Excel, I felt like my only
Speaker 1: goal was to was to be the best hip hop magazine.
Speaker 1: And back then it was very raw rock competitive. So
Speaker 1: I from jump that my strategy was gonna be. I
Speaker 1: was gonna bully the source. I was gonna just so,
Speaker 1: are you the one who broke? What's that? The freshman class?
Speaker 1: The freshman class that came later? What started with uh
Speaker 1: this year was Sigon Loupe and like all these guys
Speaker 1: that was enough to have their own cover. But I
Speaker 1: was like, let's get them all together, but it was
Speaker 1: it was played off. Remember we did have Source, like
Speaker 1: all those guys like the ideas, if you don't have
Speaker 1: one guy who's strong enough, get all up, get all
Speaker 1: So that was a blueprint of that. That was I
Speaker 1: looked back at the work I did it the source
Speaker 1: and I'm like, that's an idea I need to flip.
Speaker 1: But then you didn't have a name for that cover
Speaker 1: at the source. No, I credited Juan Thomas. Two years
Speaker 1: later he brought that idea back. He did it with
Speaker 1: Wally and all these rappers that sort of represented like
Speaker 1: the internet blog era. So that's who gave him the
Speaker 1: name freshman. He rebranded a freshman because because that's really
Speaker 1: the main thing that not disrespect no, but right now,
Speaker 1: like you know, that's when you do they waiting for
Speaker 1: the freshman class. Yeah, so my roots in that, my
Speaker 1: rootes are in that. But I did a different way.
Speaker 1: But they went back to that idea and we built
Speaker 1: it and it did adult. It was the dope idea.
Speaker 1: So how did how did you? How do you guys?
Speaker 1: All right, no, no, no, I'm Russian. Let me let
Speaker 1: me let me start here here. Yeah, yeah, I want
Speaker 1: to know where do you think these magazines lived today?
Speaker 1: In this and not damn it's a good one, Like
Speaker 1: do you I know your magazines? It's about your brands.
Speaker 1: You parted into the dot com and doing this stuff,
Speaker 1: Like where do you think this all went like, is
Speaker 1: it is it relevant? It's about having a good brand.
Speaker 1: I think whatever distribution we use when you hear drink chaps,
Speaker 1: do you think that's something we take a wrap raid off?
Speaker 1: It's really about brand, And I think the means of
Speaker 1: distribution don't matter as much, like if you look at
Speaker 1: it now, like even the envy like this end offew
Speaker 1: has to be videotaped. Like back then when I was
Speaker 1: on the stuff, we didn't videotape, and if I did,
Speaker 1: I was the editor. I didn't do all the interviews
Speaker 1: with the big stars. I found a writer that I
Speaker 1: thought would be the best to do those energies. So
Speaker 1: I just think the means of distribution change. The biggest
Speaker 1: thing is about building your brand, building personal brands like
Speaker 1: you know what Brian be got million means will series,
Speaker 1: you know what wrap right on me? You know what
Speaker 1: your fen you know or you know drink champs, Like
Speaker 1: that's what it's about. And I think that sometimes some
Speaker 1: bagages half struggle with that, right because you don't have
Speaker 1: the tangible anymore of that. But that model change. But
Speaker 1: is that you think that's all the way good, that
Speaker 1: everybody has to be a brand, that that the journalists
Speaker 1: aren't kind of you know, someone you don't really know.
Speaker 1: That's just the integrity of the journalist. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: as a question with Supreme, we don't know who Supreme is.
Speaker 1: That's a clothing brand. I think that's different what you're
Speaker 1: talking about scrutinizing. I think I mean before like, we
Speaker 1: didn't get into this to be famous or you know,
Speaker 1: have faces out there. But I think it's just the
Speaker 1: evolution of the business, you know what I mean. It's
Speaker 1: like a DApp die And if you look to your
Speaker 1: left to your right, there's not too many people from
Speaker 1: Elliott's class we've been it's just ninety two that are
Speaker 1: still around doing it at this level. So they didn't
Speaker 1: build their brand most exactly, they didn't survive the evolution
Speaker 1: of word. But there's people like there's a guy Yo
Speaker 1: who works for DJ Booth. He's doing great articles, Joe,
Speaker 1: He's but but Yow writer your Phillips's Yeah, So they're
Speaker 1: not really building themselves as brands, but they're doing great work.
Speaker 1: So I think that's really what it's about. So you
Speaker 1: can't rest on that lowls anymore of like what a
Speaker 1: magazine bram Man in that sense. You gotta do the work.
Speaker 1: You gotta put the working. Goddamn we got notes for
Speaker 1: these niggers and everything. Man she got no man be going.
Speaker 1: It was I think it's like screw face and so
Speaker 1: you know, ironically, this was the place where we know,
Speaker 1: that's not where we started when we started. We started
Speaker 1: the old crazy hood office. No, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But when we when we like got um like going,
Speaker 1: this was this was it right side. On the other side,
Speaker 1: on the other side, did y'all come up with the
Speaker 1: Elliot Wilson because you know why, it was a joke.
Speaker 1: It was jerious a joke. There was a labs because
Speaker 1: I hate him. I'm doing any other shod You gotta one.
Speaker 1: You gotta do what every one just do one, just
Speaker 1: trash like we need to kill the first first we
Speaker 1: even had to give me that one. Let me just
Speaker 1: tell yourself that people people, people want Damn y'all definitely
Speaker 1: did give me the bigger shot, all right. People definitely
Speaker 1: want to tell y'all. Um, the older that we get
Speaker 1: in this game, the more people want to kick us out.
Speaker 1: And I want to change that in the hip hop.
Speaker 1: I wanna you know, in every other genre of music.
Speaker 1: The more you're in it, the more season you are,
Speaker 1: the more that they pick you up. Our coaches the
Speaker 1: only one you know. They don't even have a washed
Speaker 1: up word in um rock and roll. They don't have
Speaker 1: a word for wash washed. They don't even happen. You know,
Speaker 1: we're the only niggas that use the word washed up.
Speaker 1: And it's over for them. Like you know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying that you'll say right now, he get locked up.
Speaker 1: It's over. It's just we all. We're the only culture.
Speaker 1: And I want to change that. And I want to
Speaker 1: tell y'all whyle y'all live while y'are breathing that what
Speaker 1: y'all doing for the culture. I've been a couple of
Speaker 1: your tactics. I follow y'all, and you know why I
Speaker 1: had you because I know, I know I'm not a journalist,
Speaker 1: so but I did. I try to have to follow
Speaker 1: what y'all doing. Salut and a worse as we keep
Speaker 1: doing it, don't we'll try again. We're trying to. Actually
Speaker 1: I'm not doing that again. Actually, better stop lying people.
Speaker 1: I get it to kill. So what's what's the article
Speaker 1: you did? Go? Because I imagine that first we love
Speaker 1: hip hop. You want to be a part of it,
Speaker 1: and then you be a part of it. But what's
Speaker 1: that one interview of one incident that you did that
Speaker 1: She was like, what's your most proudest moment? Basically, damn
Speaker 1: in the journalist and like magazine, game whatever. Overall, oh Man,
Speaker 1: one of your most proudest at least I think about that,
Speaker 1: And I feel like I haven't done it yet because
Speaker 1: I'm just like to celebrate yesterday's touchdowns. But I feel
Speaker 1: like one of the proudest moments is I think what
Speaker 1: we did together was. I was really proud of the
Speaker 1: first interview we did together on rap right over the
Speaker 1: Bible with Michael Jordan's because that was like first, like
Speaker 1: that crazy let me take let me speak about because
Speaker 1: that's exactly what happened. Something. You know, these brothers over there,
Speaker 1: you might forget. You might forget hanging with one of
Speaker 1: these brothers one of these days, I might forget that.
Speaker 1: I'm never going to forget seeing Michael Jordan's. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: left Bractic City. I see Michael Jordan. I'm gonna remember.
Speaker 1: So when they answered me, I was like, damn, they
Speaker 1: sucked up. But for two minutes. I was like, I
Speaker 1: fucked up because I was like, damn, there's no pictures
Speaker 1: of that ship. And then I got the best fans
Speaker 1: in the world. They fucking showed me this jay Z
Speaker 1: picture because that was the truth, like he really came
Speaker 1: and just fund with Jay and ran. It was a
Speaker 1: Marian carrier. I think it was a Christmas party. Christmas party,
Speaker 1: and the crazy ship was We're all getting money, so
Speaker 1: I'm trying to pay for fourteen other tickets. They're like no,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to pay for bottles. They're like no, it
Speaker 1: was all free. So you know, I wanted to stay
Speaker 1: at the party. They're getting free Christis and christ I
Speaker 1: wasn't racist and ship so remember once they got racist,
Speaker 1: you don't say a whole switch to Ace. We're going
Speaker 1: going with Ace. But um so yeah, so that that
Speaker 1: but that was like our first viral moment that you
Speaker 1: hadn't launched the podcast, right, I hadn't launt that And
Speaker 1: then tax Stone when when when when Jay hit me
Speaker 1: and I was like this podcast ship is He had
Speaker 1: been telling me about podcast years years And when he
Speaker 1: said that, I said, and when that happened? And I
Speaker 1: remember my publicist said, um, because I was Nikia Hicks
Speaker 1: at this time. After that ship came out, she said,
Speaker 1: there's no other interview in the world that we can
Speaker 1: do after this that they're not going to ask you
Speaker 1: about Michael Jordan's So she said you can. You can
Speaker 1: either continue to do your press one or take two
Speaker 1: weeks off and that ship. I said, I'm taking two weeks.
Speaker 1: So it was so it was that you got Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan to respect listen for two minutes. I was sweating
Speaker 1: like I never sweating before because I was like, damn,
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan just called me a liar. You gotta what said?
Speaker 1: He said? It's three things he said. He said, one,
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan loves all music, which means he hates ship,
Speaker 1: which means he don't like hip hop. Because anything that
Speaker 1: say what I love it read hip hop, gush my teeth,
Speaker 1: just say I love all music. You don't love you
Speaker 1: don't love everybody. Then he said he was never at
Speaker 1: that party. No no, no, he said, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: He said he loves all music. Michael does not know
Speaker 1: who nor he is very low blow. I said, I
Speaker 1: get it, Mike, I might not know who I am,
Speaker 1: right I'm saying. And then he said, Michael Jordan was
Speaker 1: at that party that part right, you don't let the rock,
Speaker 1: I said, And two minutes later my fans was like
Speaker 1: yeah really and I'm told my my whole timeline on
Speaker 1: Twitter was just filled with that ship. And then Jake
Speaker 1: Jalen Rods picked it up. Yeah, you know, we put
Speaker 1: Jordan on the Summer Grand Scheme and I remember that's
Speaker 1: my first time learning, like learning like to win and
Speaker 1: don't spike the ball. Yeah, I could not spike the ball.
Speaker 1: I was just like, you know what, touchdown, go home.
Speaker 1: Like I never bragged about the ship. I never really
Speaker 1: like rubbed it in this space because I still want
Speaker 1: Jordan's like you real like trying to send you're back person.
Speaker 1: I said, you had a bad night. That night was up.
Speaker 1: It was like I swear to guard. It was like
Speaker 1: somebody saying niggers, like sitting here in the white friends
Speaker 1: like what are your good close white friends that you like?
Speaker 1: What you like? Whoa Jerry? Jerry like you know, was like, man,
Speaker 1: that's how that's how I felt. I'm so sorry. I
Speaker 1: had a moment, had a moment. Okay that that that
Speaker 1: that's when I realized that podcast. You know, they just
Speaker 1: did a survey that podcast is going to be a
Speaker 1: six hundred million dollar bit. You got five. I wanted to,
Speaker 1: but when I thought on the asset, you know what's crazy?
Speaker 1: Eventually I told this the way Kwan two years ago.
Speaker 1: He thought I was crazy. I think I think he
Speaker 1: thinks something I said. Eventually we'll all have podcasts, right,
Speaker 1: and eventually, why drop your ship with iTunes or drop
Speaker 1: your ship just dropping on your goddamn podcast. Just think
Speaker 1: about think about, like bick up to our carrade, Joe Buttons,
Speaker 1: Joe Button has built his I'm just slexic. I'm justlexic.
Speaker 1: Joe is a couple of them. Joe has built his
Speaker 1: YouTube up right so tremendously. Why would you take a
Speaker 1: piece of art and give it to a labor to
Speaker 1: talk to your audience that you already had rights director consumer?
Speaker 1: Just think about it. I'm just thinking about when we
Speaker 1: get wise enough to know that like this, this, this is,
Speaker 1: this is what we worked for. We worked We came
Speaker 1: from hand to hand off the street drug dealer, and
Speaker 1: now we're eventually going back to hand to hand because
Speaker 1: essentially we won't need a record label for nothing, right,
Speaker 1: No disrespect to everybody that the higher ups. There's always
Speaker 1: going to be the Kevin lows Is. It's always gonna
Speaker 1: be the Leo Cohns and the Jimmy ir Beans who
Speaker 1: figured out a way to make it work. But there's
Speaker 1: not always gonna be these guys. Why do you think
Speaker 1: you guys have adapted to media? Like, what is that
Speaker 1: surprisect back in your mind? Actually, I knew he's gonna
Speaker 1: ask me that question. I had no idea. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be honest. You always have respect for me, of course,
Speaker 1: I've always have respect. Actually, actually I actually went to college.
Speaker 1: It was in jail, but college, and I couldn't feel
Speaker 1: out um for the credits. So I randomly, I don't
Speaker 1: know if I randomly off I had love for journalism.
Speaker 1: I picked journalism, but I was loving show stays that
Speaker 1: loved and journalism. But what I knew how to do
Speaker 1: was talk. Journalism told me how to talk because I
Speaker 1: was always a slanguistic journalism, Hey how are you doing? Yes? Okay,
Speaker 1: so what when did the thing? Because we would do
Speaker 1: practice like you know what I'm saying, like and and
Speaker 1: and that's where. But now the first hip hop podcast,
Speaker 1: I have to give it to Cyper Sound and Peter.
Speaker 1: That's the first hip hop podcast, the first artists rapp
Speaker 1: up artists, where the podcast is who Joe Joe? What glory?
Speaker 1: I see he wouldn't call he wouldn't call it because
Speaker 1: and we're calling the Internet radio, which is actually the
Speaker 1: beginning of the v had that we wait long and
Speaker 1: it is, Yeah, didn't as we had it too. You're right,
Speaker 1: you're right, yeah, yeah, but I tea was you get
Speaker 1: credit for the first hip hop artist, my first hip
Speaker 1: hop artists. I've believe it's nice to beat Joe Bunn
Speaker 1: definitely if I don't you saw the weekend? No, no,
Speaker 1: I don't Joe Had. I believe you're trying to google
Speaker 1: drink Joe had the first joey Okay, okay, yeah he
Speaker 1: had it first. Okay, let make but but wait, we
Speaker 1: can't negate that we were doing Serious X and Together,
Speaker 1: which pre dates Drink Chance. It was Drink Chance before
Speaker 1: Drink Channing, four years five years before Drink chats On
Speaker 1: before Serious X. Yeah. Yeah, it was the same ship
Speaker 1: funny drinking. Yeah, we have all that. So so what
Speaker 1: is the what is what is the most like you know,
Speaker 1: three thrilling part about doing media, Like for me, I'm
Speaker 1: a fan first, right, so even right now I'm talking
Speaker 1: to Norrie, I can't tell you all the time I
Speaker 1: had to seeing the post wall like I'm just you
Speaker 1: don't like Boris and like I'm talking to like the superheroes,
Speaker 1: like I look like a superhero like Boulverine or something
Speaker 1: like that. I look at it. So that's not to
Speaker 1: digress a little bit, but I love the fact that
Speaker 1: like I forget, like I think that you think that
Speaker 1: you're not a celebrity. Sometimes because you don't, you get excited,
Speaker 1: Like when I see you talk y'all just on the
Speaker 1: phone now, jay Z, when y'all was fighting, talk, let
Speaker 1: me tell you something, tell you something. You wasn't really
Speaker 1: bad at him noticing something. It's just something that he
Speaker 1: doesn't notice. But you said something to me that day
Speaker 1: that really changed me. You said, the difference between us
Speaker 1: is we're really fans. And that's statement was so true
Speaker 1: to me because I sat back and I said, He's right,
Speaker 1: there's nowhere I could really be a fan of these
Speaker 1: other brothers because I was busy having my own ship.
Speaker 1: So what I had to do was I had to
Speaker 1: turn back to being a fan. I stopped doing shows,
Speaker 1: stopped going to the studio, and I stopped actually I
Speaker 1: started actually taking this ship. I started having notes because
Speaker 1: the thing about it was I didn't take it as
Speaker 1: serious as that, and like we were playing around. We
Speaker 1: from Queen's were supposed to do that. But when you
Speaker 1: said that, you said the differences and you wasn't even
Speaker 1: saying that to me. He was saying it to a
Speaker 1: fan and he was like, the differences were really fans.
Speaker 1: And I was like, you know what, that's absolutely true,
Speaker 1: even if we were playing around, and you know, when
Speaker 1: the truth is the truth, I gotta pick it up
Speaker 1: and I gotta eat it rather it's a rock or skittles,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I picked it up
Speaker 1: and I ate it, and I said, the truth don't
Speaker 1: taste bad. I said, you know what, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: back into being a fan. That's why if you look
Speaker 1: at the NAS interview, that wasn't Noriega at all. That
Speaker 1: was poppy. That was that was actually actually and the
Speaker 1: thing about it not just not because I'll interview people
Speaker 1: who has never done and he have any success like me,
Speaker 1: and I'll treat him the same way. Because to me,
Speaker 1: as you said, we're superheroes ship that we have to
Speaker 1: endure to be into this industry. Like this ship is
Speaker 1: horrible sometimes, but it's also the O G factor of
Speaker 1: why we do mostly O G because genuinely we're fans
Speaker 1: of these people we grew up with or he's here with,
Speaker 1: you know, so that's genuine, more genuine than if we
Speaker 1: had someone newer. Then it's not a genuine conversation, you know.
Speaker 1: I just hate I hate the one word as I
Speaker 1: know someone who's not a fan of Youri. I don't
Speaker 1: want to get to this, I said on Twitter Stephen A.
Speaker 1: Smith dished you when you met him, and you didn't
Speaker 1: explain why, Like what happened when you did? He didn't
Speaker 1: you know what, I definitely worded it wrong. He fanned
Speaker 1: me out. I didn't realize when I was walking up
Speaker 1: to him, I was in front of a whole line
Speaker 1: of people that was waiting in New York this notice
Speaker 1: in Kenny Smith party. So so as we were walking through,
Speaker 1: he just gave me one of these and he moved
Speaker 1: a back. I said, yo, say out, I might have
Speaker 1: been out before you like, come on now, Queen's down,
Speaker 1: And he just gave me one of the fool and
Speaker 1: then went. So I was like, I was like, oh ship,
Speaker 1: you know I got signed, I got but I posted
Speaker 1: the picture. Okay. You know sometimes have you ever met
Speaker 1: somebody he was disappointed? They all the time? Who's that's
Speaker 1: why I stopped meeting niggas. I don't want to ask yo.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you other thing. First off, it took
Speaker 1: a home to literally call me. I don't want Superstars numbers.
Speaker 1: I don't want Wayne. Wayne had to grab my phone
Speaker 1: head take it. I was like, because I don't want to.
Speaker 1: I don't. I just so bad, I'm so mad. I'm
Speaker 1: so bad at getting rejected and I'll just rejected in
Speaker 1: directed myself like it dissed me so so I don't
Speaker 1: want to give you Leo Cohen's number. Yeah, that's how
Speaker 1: I listen. Really, I realized, up listen, just this is
Speaker 1: something I would be honest. I stually let me decided
Speaker 1: Leo calls. Let me tell you what too. Yeah, wasn't
Speaker 1: was because it's like checks. But let tell you why
Speaker 1: I took that person, because leg is really really my guy.
Speaker 1: But I had took time to me I love you,
Speaker 1: I love you, but let me hear this respect I
Speaker 1: had took time with my life like three years where
Speaker 1: I didn't speak to no higher ups. I did speak
Speaker 1: to nobody that just was like I just wanted to
Speaker 1: deal with what I was dealing with and I had
Speaker 1: lost complete contact with Leo. So I watched. I watched
Speaker 1: the episode and I asked for his phone on number.
Speaker 1: You know your Elliott, give me the Can you give
Speaker 1: me the why? I said, this is the first of
Speaker 1: I'm not trying. I'm not in competition. I don't want
Speaker 1: to be in competition. I'm actually hitting them like as
Speaker 1: a life coach. Though I'm alright and like you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Like and you when when you took
Speaker 1: it like that, I said, Yo, listen, I thought I
Speaker 1: was bad and battling. I thought I was bad with competitions.
Speaker 1: Oh listen and listen. I wake up in the morning.
Speaker 1: I beat my son to the bathroom just to piss
Speaker 1: on the toilet before him. So if he's sit down
Speaker 1: the toilet, when you look around, you looking around, you
Speaker 1: see that competitive. But when I see how competitive you were,
Speaker 1: I said, damn, Elliott has a problem and really okay.
Speaker 1: But when we came to CVS, no, no, I just
Speaker 1: feel like one of the natural queens. One queens, we
Speaker 1: naturally compete, right, But then two that's also it's in you,
Speaker 1: like you want to win and win like like like
Speaker 1: I see, I noticed when I did your podcast, if
Speaker 1: this is something you taught me, and you kept hitting
Speaker 1: me saying, yo posted, post it posted, and I didn't
Speaker 1: know what what it meant at the time. So when
Speaker 1: I got back later, I said, this motherfucker loved it,
Speaker 1: like you love coming you. But but I do think
Speaker 1: that I'd like to think I've grown, and I think
Speaker 1: it's error. It's not about that like overly competitive, like
Speaker 1: like nobody has. Like the thing about the whole Exxcel
Speaker 1: Source battle was I felt like the source had exactly
Speaker 1: what I wanted, so the only way to get that
Speaker 1: was to get it from them. You know what you're
Speaker 1: doing when I'm doing what your buddon is doing, like
Speaker 1: what beat I does. Everybody really is running their own race.
Speaker 1: And it's like it's not even more about like we're
Speaker 1: all fighting for this one thing. We're all redefineding what
Speaker 1: it means to have a brand of podcast growth, so
Speaker 1: to be raw rock competitive anymore. That stople was played
Speaker 1: out that stock will not work, and I was and
Speaker 1: I was wrong to move that way back then. But
Speaker 1: because like Kendrick man, like listen, listen, I said it before,
Speaker 1: but I know Power one of five ain't owned by
Speaker 1: one of us. But the Breakfast Club is a part
Speaker 1: of our coaches. If you don't, if you don't come
Speaker 1: to see us, and again I want to make it
Speaker 1: that's actually our Drake story is the Kendrick. Even though
Speaker 1: it was Interscope that was reaching out to Kendrick to
Speaker 1: we're ready to do it, it was coming from Rolling
Speaker 1: Loud and then that day I think they said, oh
Speaker 1: he flies in a certain time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So
Speaker 1: let me get back to Kendrick. Like the Kendrick, the
Speaker 1: Drake's Um, the Colds, I know you did called Ken
Speaker 1: Drake's the colda. You know, all of you guys that
Speaker 1: are special in your own special way. You guys are
Speaker 1: the jupid of the planet system in the galaxy. It's
Speaker 1: important to come and support your culture. Yeah, Like it
Speaker 1: says a statement. When jay Z does four or four
Speaker 1: or four album and he books one interview and it's
Speaker 1: with Rap Radar, it says a statement. It's a statement.
Speaker 1: With Nos does two interviews and both of those interviews
Speaker 1: happened to be land on Tite, only two interviews for
Speaker 1: the whole fucking thing. It says a statement that hip
Speaker 1: hop is supporting hip hop, So young fellas who are
Speaker 1: the young guns support this because at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, every itself and in some which way form
Speaker 1: of fashion. If it wasn't for people like us, it
Speaker 1: might not be people like you. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: There might not be people like If you're a new
Speaker 1: artist and you're not gonna escape aid, understand it's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: If you're lucky, you'll be old. You got the certain
Speaker 1: that he was over you felt off you. Yes, Now,
Speaker 1: like I said on your podcast, you know, um, sometimes
Speaker 1: it's hard to wake up and not be the man
Speaker 1: on Wednesday when you was a man on Monday. But
Speaker 1: for some of you people, some of you, some of
Speaker 1: these artists, actually have to go and listen look at
Speaker 1: that interview, because the thing about it is be humble
Speaker 1: on your way in, because you will be humble on
Speaker 1: your way out. This ship will humble you. If it ain't,
Speaker 1: if it ain't me, if it ain't that somebody will
Speaker 1: go And you know what, I know this no matter
Speaker 1: how much your gangs. Now, it was there was always
Speaker 1: one nigger that was more gangster than me. No matter
Speaker 1: how much pussy I got, there was always one nigger,
Speaker 1: let's get it made. No matter how much running one,
Speaker 1: there's always three. Let's looking at me like I'm broke.
Speaker 1: So motherfuckers us be humble on your way in because
Speaker 1: you gotta be humble on your way out. That's everything
Speaker 1: an artist. I think that's stunning on you. Why they
Speaker 1: was they was hot and then they dropped it, and
Speaker 1: then they tried to come back and was like and
Speaker 1: then they tried to come back when they had to cycle.
Speaker 1: That's I can't think we don't do it. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, we gotta do it. Makes sense. I mean
Speaker 1: the problem with you get a certain status, right, it's
Speaker 1: like we say no more than we say yes, and
Speaker 1: I'd rather than that give you no assent to say no,
Speaker 1: Like I don't even give you a nose. It's like
Speaker 1: we're not moving because the thing is also timing to
Speaker 1: like I'm not ready to move a certain way. So
Speaker 1: we were blessed to be in a position that we're
Speaker 1: very selective about. Like you guys, we want to talk
Speaker 1: to him like right now, pop smoke with that's my
Speaker 1: favorite new I like his voice. I like his voice.
Speaker 1: You like yeah, and you know what you know? I
Speaker 1: like about pop smoke. He sounds like pop smoke, Like Hi, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's unheard of right now. That's why I did
Speaker 1: contest because I feel like, like we like cars. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we did forty five minutes with Megan, which is a
Speaker 1: really good interview, but that's a long time, Like that's
Speaker 1: probably the longest she could go. Like, like you said,
Speaker 1: I love Little Baby, I love Gunna. But they might
Speaker 1: not be ready for a whole hour of conversation. They
Speaker 1: may give you a good half hour funny minutes to
Speaker 1: a half hour. So there was definitely pressure in the
Speaker 1: podcast that we gotta have a whole hour content. So
Speaker 1: a lot of these new artists may pop up, but
Speaker 1: they don't fit that paradise if you like that way.
Speaker 1: So that's why I came up with contest, because I
Speaker 1: felt like, if we're running around and we have the
Speaker 1: set place for the interview and they're playing their music,
Speaker 1: it's like I could get a good five to fifteen
Speaker 1: minutes and do pray content that way. So everybody doesn't
Speaker 1: fit the long form podcast model, but doesn't mean it's
Speaker 1: not relevant. Like pop smoke is dope, but he's not
Speaker 1: ready yet to do like an hour. I don't think
Speaker 1: I want to talk about as music and that's how
Speaker 1: big and Nicki Minaj. Yeah, but you know it's it's
Speaker 1: almost like building up a cachet of stuff to talk about.
Speaker 1: You know, that's songs cool, but like that, it's gonna
Speaker 1: get you so far exactly because like you guys critique, yeah,
Speaker 1: they you know, I almost got to fight, That's what
Speaker 1: I was like, Yeah, what are we doing? Man? This
Speaker 1: was after y'all actually interviewed him. Yeah, so what did
Speaker 1: you say to him that he was I don't know.
Speaker 1: It was posted interview, and I guess you know, as
Speaker 1: a fan, you know, people can treat you said that
Speaker 1: like his album, but you know, you know it's about
Speaker 1: his flow, somebody flow. I basically said that, Like for me,
Speaker 1: I'm a very to the point guy. Like I felt
Speaker 1: like Wiley's music was too abstract, you know, he would
Speaker 1: like I would lose my train of thought with his robes,
Speaker 1: like like something like someone might say that about a
Speaker 1: ghost face or rap corn that style. I just couldn't
Speaker 1: really identify with it, and that was the reason I
Speaker 1: really wasn't a fan of that stung with him and
Speaker 1: he said, you know, I think I think after say
Speaker 1: nothing in the moment, but after the interview I kind
Speaker 1: of expressed that a little bit more on two, you
Speaker 1: know whatever. Whatever. So when he was at the pool party,
Speaker 1: he was like, Yo, have a conversation. I ain't seen
Speaker 1: him around. Yeah, yeah, was saying about the silicide. It
Speaker 1: was packed. It was at the Gross House, the big
Speaker 1: House in Georgia, and he was in rapper mode too,
Speaker 1: you know, because he was like trying to corner pool.
Speaker 1: It was a little bit of Molly involved. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: love so, Yeah, we're in a great space. So come up.
Speaker 1: So I go up and he's like, uh yo, man, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly what you said. Ford. It was like,
Speaker 1: if you're saying then, I'm like, yo, what what the
Speaker 1: fund are you talking about? It? Like this body going
Speaker 1: around to me is his cruise ship. I'm like, I
Speaker 1: was irritated. Whatever it was this way it was. The
Speaker 1: belly was somewhere I didn't see the first he was
Speaker 1: some else and I say, you know, I'm not doing
Speaker 1: this in with you, hil and then he was like,
Speaker 1: come on this side. Then I was like, let's go
Speaker 1: this side, right, So he's going to join. He's in
Speaker 1: my face and this and I'm We're going back and
Speaker 1: forth and I'm like, you know what, I'm just gonna leave,
Speaker 1: like this is stupid. Part of the fight. You at
Speaker 1: the pool party. Next thing, we're gonna be world started,
Speaker 1: world and not cute. Let me ask let me ask
Speaker 1: you real quick. Do you think and maybe it's more
Speaker 1: for Elliott? Did you do print as well? Yeah? Okay,
Speaker 1: So do you think that there's more be for Les
Speaker 1: beef in in this age versus the print age. With
Speaker 1: journalism and the arts, it's lessbief because somebody on Twitter
Speaker 1: is telling you your hairline and giving you you feel
Speaker 1: because the public is done them. You can't beat that.
Speaker 1: You can't beat everybody. You can't beat everybody up. You
Speaker 1: can't block everybody. So you can't shut the lights out
Speaker 1: like if theyt saying, you know, Nori, no interrupted, there's
Speaker 1: too many voices. You can't shoot everybody like you can't
Speaker 1: like back then, crazy age right now, that's true, but
Speaker 1: I'm saying I think that more the regular voice gets
Speaker 1: in that chatter, like the majority you know what it is.
Speaker 1: You drop an album, you know you buy the weekend.
Speaker 1: Know how motherfucker's this feeling it? See it could be
Speaker 1: d o A could definitely arrival or likes with it,
Speaker 1: Like you get that instant feedback that we don't. We
Speaker 1: don't control that narrative anymore like the people do because
Speaker 1: of social media, the Twitter, because the Instagram, they're gonna
Speaker 1: emoji you out, they're gonna say what it is. It's
Speaker 1: like it's all there, so everything in your face. You
Speaker 1: got to do with it. So it was a big
Speaker 1: one of the biggest moments for you guys. My proudest
Speaker 1: moment for you guys was when you landed at the
Speaker 1: jay Z can't happen. So first off, it was so
Speaker 1: how does this happen? You guys called the sober House
Speaker 1: or same were calling so hard and you didn't know
Speaker 1: what everybody think since his house that they think is
Speaker 1: actually his house. No I knew that because you're a
Speaker 1: soul house like sib Yeah, regular regular. I need Malibu, Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't get my mallible baby, let
Speaker 1: me say a little manible, come on, come ontr And
Speaker 1: so how can I get in Malibu. Man ain't got
Speaker 1: me a whole toel October like said, gonna do a
Speaker 1: verdict on October, said why we got you in October?
Speaker 1: Like what, I ain't gonna holding batter right now. The
Speaker 1: reason why I got in so fast? I was actually there,
Speaker 1: like they're supposed to give you you you don't have
Speaker 1: a regular so you gotta pull up and you gotta
Speaker 1: say the people yo, for real and then they'll they'll
Speaker 1: do back room fucking infamous. Okay, but hold on, hold on, okay,
Speaker 1: so you guys whole finally agrees because I know even
Speaker 1: if he wanted to agree, he's gonna take some time
Speaker 1: to agree because he's that time. The second time we
Speaker 1: had a Jay Z interview prior first time, it was
Speaker 1: a pump fake. It was I was driving to he
Speaker 1: was like, yo, I remember what was the message? Like
Speaker 1: turning the mics on, ready to talk. I almost crashing
Speaker 1: my cars like happy, But it didn't happen because he
Speaker 1: was like, we're trying to get yeah, okay, and it's
Speaker 1: pump fake. What its like he doesn't know basketball. I
Speaker 1: get that there no push your t um with Jay
Speaker 1: push drug deals anonymous and he samples the White Girl
Speaker 1: used to be on Fox. Yeah, jay Z that ship
Speaker 1: kissed him off. Okay, so when that ship came out
Speaker 1: the next day, emailed me and beat out, I'm ready,
Speaker 1: like who've been trying? Yeah, pull up, come to l A.
Speaker 1: Turn the mix up. But then he the Moistie stopped
Speaker 1: hitting us silence like then that Friday, I see tax
Speaker 1: Stone in his office and he's like, like the interview,
Speaker 1: that's why I went back. But going back to that, yes,
Speaker 1: so that was that was the original because that bothered
Speaker 1: him so much. He ended up, you know, cutting that
Speaker 1: records that represented his thing. But like that hit triggered him.
Speaker 1: So that was first thing out. But then the second
Speaker 1: time to four four it's been out for months. It
Speaker 1: was like a couple of weeks and it was just
Speaker 1: random like because so he says, I'm coming to l A. No,
Speaker 1: it was like, yo, let's talk something like history who
Speaker 1: was trying to get to get there? So cool. So
Speaker 1: if you know Jay, he's cryptic, like he doesn't say
Speaker 1: too many words. He talks like in riddles. He talks
Speaker 1: like Jesus, yeah you're talking about he emails you it's
Speaker 1: a synthesis, like this thing is ryding to me like
Speaker 1: when Jake contacts you, was just very cryptical, like you
Speaker 1: gotta like decipher the ship. So it's like, all right,
Speaker 1: we're ready, let's talk. So I'm like, oh, this is
Speaker 1: this is really happening. And so we and Ellie we
Speaker 1: like scrambled. We go to l A. Right man, in
Speaker 1: l A, I'm not hitting them till we land, because
Speaker 1: we don't believe things that's real until they're really at
Speaker 1: this point. Yeah, So we get to l A and
Speaker 1: we're like, okay, what do we do now? And we
Speaker 1: hit JA like yo, we're here. What's the next step.
Speaker 1: He's like, you're a crew? No no, because I was
Speaker 1: like we're doing I didn't know if he's gonna do video.
Speaker 1: So I was like, you know, we felming, like but
Speaker 1: I don't even call the video. We don't have nothing.
Speaker 1: We're just there. He's like it's Hollywood, man, get a crew,
Speaker 1: Like but you don't understand, like if you do production,
Speaker 1: it's not easy just to find that we didn't. I
Speaker 1: don't want to, like he didn't scratch this iPhone, Like
Speaker 1: we gotta get a crew. So we're like okay, and
Speaker 1: it's like maybe eleven o'clock. It was black and white
Speaker 1: or it's black and white, but we didn't know what
Speaker 1: we want to do, okay, so back then we did
Speaker 1: them all black because I was supposed to be like
Speaker 1: the Rebird for the CBS era, like a different ships.
Speaker 1: But then what will Smith we did The color looks
Speaker 1: too ill with so then we were back to color.
Speaker 1: Will Smith got outside of that. So we're the airport,
Speaker 1: were scrambling to trying to find a crew. But they
Speaker 1: were like, we're we gonna do this that right, And
Speaker 1: we said Rock Nation Office in l A. And he
Speaker 1: said so. But when he said so, ho, I thought
Speaker 1: he meant the sausin Holly Hollywood. Yeah, so house in
Speaker 1: downtown too, but the house Hollywood, that's about the downtown. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But then I didn't know about Malibu. Alibu. Fuck, That's
Speaker 1: why I like moment. I was like, we gotta getting
Speaker 1: a car because it's just like an hour so away.
Speaker 1: So it was my first time then, like Elliot, don't
Speaker 1: drive right. So I'm driving the Mallible Way, I'm like
Speaker 1: being there, crash because the driver is beautiful. It's it's
Speaker 1: like ships driving like no ship, y'all almost make right,
Speaker 1: So y'all get to the mount. I mean, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do a tager ball, but I want you the tequiladge shudge.
Speaker 1: Can you give me? He got me? He was on
Speaker 1: the highway that story about himself. I thank you quite
Speaker 1: and I appreciate the other way and I hate it too,
Speaker 1: side as I don't give a fun So so it's
Speaker 1: all the same day, keeping driving a malliable. So I'm driving,
Speaker 1: crashing right up, driving to drive them out when you
Speaker 1: crashing and we get there. He's a drunk. So we
Speaker 1: get there and I'm like, oh, this is really nice
Speaker 1: and then beautiful and what was so ill was because
Speaker 1: I'm like looking at around, I'm like, it's like a Wednesday,
Speaker 1: right middle of the day. You see what these white
Speaker 1: people in their laptops. Life is great. Like everyone's just chilling,
Speaker 1: smiles on their face. Member there, John Um, the publishing guy,
Speaker 1: he's a member of the always see them. It looks
Speaker 1: like a dope ass like apartment somewhere like in the city.
Speaker 1: The woman that you actually interview. I called it the
Speaker 1: Kendrick Lamar room because every time I go there, I
Speaker 1: smoke a with upstairs Kendrick Lamar and TV is downstairs
Speaker 1: up side continue damn, how we making mallible happen? Tell
Speaker 1: you I would be in my friend. We go in
Speaker 1: the room and you know, food is coming out, and
Speaker 1: how do you how do you even convince them? Because
Speaker 1: first of all, I don't even know, I don't know
Speaker 1: who house is U a nonfillment place, you can't feel
Speaker 1: a valuable was even more strict than that, because that's
Speaker 1: that's a that's a that's a that's a a private
Speaker 1: within a private? So how did you convince it what
Speaker 1: you just wanted? So that's what he was like that,
Speaker 1: But it's most like we have to make it happen.
Speaker 1: But then it's like you say it's whole, but you know,
Speaker 1: the funniest you ever say, fuzzy of it. But now
Speaker 1: when you first come in, there's like a girl, I said,
Speaker 1: right in the front, Right in the front, she had
Speaker 1: built up the system. I'm not trying to buy chother
Speaker 1: with the system that was running. She had hooked up
Speaker 1: the PA. She was in the seed. She was saying
Speaker 1: that she heard the whole interview. She was with the ballad,
Speaker 1: but she was listening to us. So I just think
Speaker 1: they got they got excited, Yeah, they got excited. One
Speaker 1: it's one's brown scared and it's one of the real
Speaker 1: real dog okay, one of them. All up was listening
Speaker 1: to the whole interview, like so I just think like
Speaker 1: we didn't know the weight of the whole thing because
Speaker 1: we had never been there. Like look back on it
Speaker 1: makes sense. But that's since the palace saying holds the
Speaker 1: ready to go. But none of that was planned. It's
Speaker 1: that we booked in advance, like when we come out,
Speaker 1: we're gonna do whatever. I was determined with Sam telling
Speaker 1: be Dot, I'm scared of things, gonna change his mind.
Speaker 1: He's done it before. We ain't hitting until we touched down,
Speaker 1: Like we just landed. What's good what we're doing? Like
Speaker 1: him said, yea, So we landed, and so what we did?
Speaker 1: We landed, gotten the rent of car, beat us driving.
Speaker 1: I'm like, let's en, um, let's see what we're doing, Like,
Speaker 1: let's try to see. I wanted to get the clearance
Speaker 1: to pull up to his crib and get it done.
Speaker 1: And then he wanted the location. So with scrambling right
Speaker 1: Nation the Malibu and Malibu. So man happened and then
Speaker 1: all things we were setting up and it had the
Speaker 1: door open with the ocean and the breeze and the
Speaker 1: ship popping, and it was so dope and lush, and
Speaker 1: it was like no, but when we stopped filming, you know,
Speaker 1: we got to close the door because so when he
Speaker 1: came in though Nigga's got so stra truck, they forgot,
Speaker 1: they forgot. So I was like, yo, running camera running again.
Speaker 1: But the thing that's great about it is that we hope.
Speaker 1: What what's great about hope is that you know, we
Speaker 1: we both have a great lection with him and we've
Speaker 1: had an ups and downs and he's a real nigger.
Speaker 1: We can really battle with him about certain things. But
Speaker 1: he didn't set parameters. He was like, Yo, I'm gonna,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna, I'm gonna submit to the process. He had
Speaker 1: the power that you may never see it like he's
Speaker 1: in control ultimately, but he gave into the situation and
Speaker 1: get kept und So it wasn't that you can't ask
Speaker 1: me about salonage elevator, so be that, you know, beabout
Speaker 1: the shooting. He should go for it, hena. So we
Speaker 1: got all that stuff and it's just like and then
Speaker 1: when I mean when I sent it to because that
Speaker 1: sense of approval, he had no changes. He didn't touch him.
Speaker 1: He looked at it. So that's the hunt thing about like,
Speaker 1: you know, he's bad about ny To outside of that,
Speaker 1: you know, I asked jay Z, you know the infamous
Speaker 1: ninety two breaks at the fallback? He said, will never change?
Speaker 1: I actually, you know, what's the story behind that? And
Speaker 1: he really gave the story and I was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: this is this is great, this internet goal. Like everyone's
Speaker 1: like we made it, you know. So when the inter
Speaker 1: OFEW came out and that part wasn't there, I said,
Speaker 1: what the fun is going on? And I'm like, I
Speaker 1: hit Yo, the ninetoo breaks you wanted to fall back?
Speaker 1: He was like, na, that was all Elliott, you take
Speaker 1: it out. I was like out. I was like, I'm reading,
Speaker 1: like not Elliott. But he made the right decision impression
Speaker 1: that was so bad? But but why would you do that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Why the funk would you do? It didn't fit the
Speaker 1: whole FOURT four ship And then it wasn't like track
Speaker 1: seventies some one ninety two bricks. The fun thing is
Speaker 1: that after we did that, the thing is round about
Speaker 1: the bricks all over again, like talking about that too,
Speaker 1: Like he's talking about the brakes all over again. What
Speaker 1: made even work really pissed me off at the ELI
Speaker 1: didn't tell me and had the talent was wrong. Okay,
Speaker 1: I see you now so now when my dad, but
Speaker 1: I see I see them loading up man loading up. No,
Speaker 1: but but at that point, I definitely, I definitely have
Speaker 1: conversated you before I make it sision like it was
Speaker 1: a great experience. I still can't believe we did that,
Speaker 1: Like that ship is like it was like, like, no,
Speaker 1: you know what, I've been doing this for a minute.
Speaker 1: Fact that the fact that you don't know how hard
Speaker 1: it is to pull out the fucking camp first off
Speaker 1: that side of the room, because you remember, you gotta
Speaker 1: walk in and go to the rank, so that side
Speaker 1: of the room is only where they even allowed. But
Speaker 1: it's like this, you're not gonna this. So when I
Speaker 1: when I'm not really realized that first, yeah, because I
Speaker 1: get you don't get cross to that. Why come up?
Speaker 1: You know why? You know why? I believe even if
Speaker 1: we try to be black and excellent. So getting a
Speaker 1: hold is one thing, but getting him in that location
Speaker 1: meant so much more to me because I had just
Speaker 1: became a member and I was like you they told
Speaker 1: me that ship because we took a photograph after and
Speaker 1: in the picture there's like this clip picture over the
Speaker 1: clip it a little and said, we took the pictures
Speaker 1: like yeah, right three times. I didn't know it was
Speaker 1: malib something about the pictures. I said, there's something, there's
Speaker 1: something that's ringing at me. And then I'm going removable
Speaker 1: and I'm walking through. And I walked through because I
Speaker 1: called the Kendrick lamarble when I'm like, kid, I really
Speaker 1: be in a teez motherfucker's I I see that. I'm
Speaker 1: going right now. The thing and the thing. The thing
Speaker 1: is to hear y'all say this story is amazing even
Speaker 1: more to me because I'm thinking you're playing that months
Speaker 1: in events the same day. It was like they didn't
Speaker 1: know what he was walking into. Jay said, just do
Speaker 1: it there, but he did to me use that room,
Speaker 1: setting up that way, half the food, the whole thing,
Speaker 1: like you didn't know. Okay, now, Will Smith, you guys
Speaker 1: found the stunt on us earlier when he dropped the
Speaker 1: Will Smith that was that was fun. No, but yeah,
Speaker 1: because we looked at the thing was like, I was
Speaker 1: determined to make the whole title run different than the CBS.
Speaker 1: So let's just do black and white because it feels classic.
Speaker 1: It's a way to reinvent um. And then but with
Speaker 1: the title one, they had setting up this Will Smith
Speaker 1: one in Budapest. They had picked us location and the
Speaker 1: blue there was like all my production cool was like
Speaker 1: the colors. I was like, yore black and white. I
Speaker 1: would be dead in all the time now that were
Speaker 1: black and white. But there was like no cut. They
Speaker 1: showed me the picture of it. I was like, guys,
Speaker 1: how what's that story? So Will Smith shooting a movie right,
Speaker 1: and he's going to be in Budapest for like a
Speaker 1: month or two. This is the Genie movie. No, it
Speaker 1: was something else, so not a last he trying to
Speaker 1: kill himself. It's something coming out soon. I think they're
Speaker 1: using that technology where he's like looks really young or whatever. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that movie. So he's out there filming, and um
Speaker 1: we were actually trying to get him for like a year,
Speaker 1: like he's just new the Instagram. And then it was
Speaker 1: finally like he's going to be in Budapest shooting this movie.
Speaker 1: He's stuck here, Like he's stuck here for him because
Speaker 1: he travels a lot. That Nigg is like always like
Speaker 1: did he live on his best life for exactly? But
Speaker 1: there was like he got a film for these three
Speaker 1: to six weeks he's locked in Budapest. You know, could
Speaker 1: you pick these weekends? Like you can't pick this like
Speaker 1: memorial their weekend or whatever. So I picked the weekend
Speaker 1: and we made it. That was playing out with bit
Speaker 1: More was like finally got listen, if we're willing to
Speaker 1: take the flight and go out there and get it done,
Speaker 1: let's go get it done. So we went all the
Speaker 1: way to Hungary. Was not about eight hours, eight nine hours,
Speaker 1: and we did that at his hotel that was at
Speaker 1: the fourth Seasons. But even he was impressed when he
Speaker 1: came out the way we had it set up and
Speaker 1: that's like the lobby or like a secret room in
Speaker 1: that hotel he was staying at. So his hotel was
Speaker 1: you know more six star like some other ship. But
Speaker 1: we turned that whole set up the production crews like
Speaker 1: you see it like this thing. You know that ship
Speaker 1: is important. You know the thing you know you got
Speaker 1: you got on the shot. You saw him at the
Speaker 1: Nickelodeon Awards with the Nickelodeon a War, and I've seen
Speaker 1: him at the the ship that he had on Netflix.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the premier for the Alien the Zombie movie
Speaker 1: and Ship and that ship blew me away because you
Speaker 1: know I'm from left brack City, right yeah, right brack
Speaker 1: City section two. Um, I really don't never think I'm famous.
Speaker 1: I never thought I was famous that all. And so
Speaker 1: that's why it's easy for me to do Dream Champs.
Speaker 1: It's easy for me to give people props in the set,
Speaker 1: props like I don't like to be picked up. Pause,
Speaker 1: Like I like, I'm better at big in somebody else out.
Speaker 1: So I see Will and he had to break for me.
Speaker 1: He's like, you know, what's up? And I said, Will Smith,
Speaker 1: you don't know. It was shocking because I thought I
Speaker 1: had to. I had through somebody whispered to his ear
Speaker 1: and said, yea, that's Gnory right there. But he turned
Speaker 1: and he said, you know it, what's ups? So I'm
Speaker 1: looking for the person. Yeah, I'm like, no, you don't
Speaker 1: know what's up. And I don't know if he said nigga,
Speaker 1: but in my sounds, I game five and ship the
Speaker 1: room and I forgot what he said to me. But anyway,
Speaker 1: moving on, Yeah, hold that get just shot the So
Speaker 1: the other part of this is I'm in that l
Speaker 1: a um, I don't. I hate red carpets. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you guys have ever people in red carpets. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's probably. It's probably like five maybe seven of me
Speaker 1: walking the red carpets, and I guarantee you it was
Speaker 1: the time where I had no control of my career.
Speaker 1: It's Chris body seriously right there, like keep walking like
Speaker 1: the Scott or somebody like like that. Because I just
Speaker 1: hate red carpets. I've never understood the position of it,
Speaker 1: like you know, stand there, you're you know, we look here,
Speaker 1: you know, look here, look at like why can't I
Speaker 1: look one place? Everybody take the one fucking picture and
Speaker 1: let me keep it moving. So I never understood it.
Speaker 1: So I go through the thing. They bring me these
Speaker 1: passes for the Nickelodeon ship. So when they go to
Speaker 1: the thing and they're like, yo, um, can you go
Speaker 1: to the red carpet? So it's just me, my wife
Speaker 1: and my son, and I literally had a panic attack
Speaker 1: right here and there. I was like what red carpet?
Speaker 1: I don't know, like and then the lady looked at
Speaker 1: me like okay, just flipped like like I don't really
Speaker 1: the red carpet. So as what I'm saying, I said,
Speaker 1: let me walk the other way. So as I walked
Speaker 1: the other way, the first person I see is will
Speaker 1: Smith and he goes. He did to me again, what's up?
Speaker 1: Nor gave me a five? And this is the crazy shit. Also,
Speaker 1: I also don't think none of these young niggas know me.
Speaker 1: So me goes walked right behind me, and I swear
Speaker 1: to God, I don't even save up to the ogs.
Speaker 1: You don't say what up to me? I literally don't
Speaker 1: give coach k and and and P come to me
Speaker 1: yourself something. But I wasn't gonna say nothing to I
Speaker 1: don't want to know. I'm not Joe. Butden, you know
Speaker 1: I ain't hating you know, I don't hear so so?
Speaker 1: And then what's is? Cardiv man? What's up? Nori says
Speaker 1: that it but he said what's uping? And I looked
Speaker 1: at the nigger because he was too far from me
Speaker 1: to reach y'all in the vibe. And then my son
Speaker 1: was like, then he would turn around. My son was like,
Speaker 1: give me is excited. He said, I'm like, he's some
Speaker 1: ho shoe. I'm not. No, I ain't gonna lie. I
Speaker 1: liked it that because he he didn't have to do that.
Speaker 1: He looked at me and he could have easily turned
Speaker 1: around and be like whatever. You know. Yeah, we actually
Speaker 1: didn't try to be using for the whole crew. But
Speaker 1: what I want to say is the reason why most
Speaker 1: O g s don't give the young uns their respect
Speaker 1: is because we don't think that we have their respect.
Speaker 1: So I would rather not. I would rather not because
Speaker 1: I was up to school you. But if I feel
Speaker 1: like you're gonna school me, you think that you've got
Speaker 1: a bigger chain on than me, because you might. Some
Speaker 1: of these guys might even have more money than me,
Speaker 1: while you have the longevity. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: You might have better work to me. You might have
Speaker 1: better client telling me, But are you gonna stay outside
Speaker 1: as long as me? I'm staying outside all day. I
Speaker 1: didn't go on this side when it rain, I'm going
Speaker 1: on rain skins when it thunderstorms. Don't getting under the thunderstorm. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when it's hot, out of playing, Skelly, I'm doing everything
Speaker 1: you said. When you see I always say some people
Speaker 1: on bill for it. You know what you mean? That man?
Speaker 1: You sad like when you see like what you mean
Speaker 1: like I would like to break it down. I know
Speaker 1: exactly what you mean. I would like you to bring
Speaker 1: it down because there's so many talented brothers that don't
Speaker 1: take their talent as serious. But thing is, the thing
Speaker 1: is I noticed a cliche to say, but you know, uh,
Speaker 1: talent out beast people who's busy workers were working. You
Speaker 1: know it's gonna out work people with with with five
Speaker 1: six like I love it. I love I love to
Speaker 1: you know, just wake up in the morning and just
Speaker 1: think about more the every every great idea I ever had.
Speaker 1: I co signed it in the morning. I co signed
Speaker 1: at five like this thought. This guy was telling me
Speaker 1: to do a podcast for so long that right, and
Speaker 1: I couldn't see his vision until I woke up in
Speaker 1: the morning. And I probably him like four or thirty
Speaker 1: in the morning. He's probably like, what is this problem?
Speaker 1: Every morning I waked up, I put my ship on airpin,
Speaker 1: I turned on I don't text. I said, I ready
Speaker 1: for me to rap radar man, thank you for coming
Speaker 1: out before we get out. Why can we do this?
Speaker 1: Why don't get a nigger like you to do the
Speaker 1: national And I wanted to serious, I do want to
Speaker 1: know that yo, you know what um you know m
Speaker 1: hip hop raw Flush album two times? What a shame?
Speaker 1: And I stand medallions h to be told raw artests
Speaker 1: and Capone or fucking related. Wait wait, slow that I
Speaker 1: can't Capone and raw artests all fucking related, Like that's insane.
Speaker 1: So was supposed to be on the Roy Flush album? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I did ice that Medallions, I did that. That was
Speaker 1: that was my well when you did what a shame?
Speaker 1: Like this thing is really going in. Yeah, you gotta
Speaker 1: remember that was an easy LPB easy LP did most
Speaker 1: of Yeah, he did bloody money he did. I forget
Speaker 1: how much he did. So I'll go back to being
Speaker 1: an interview. So I was okay, that was actually supposed
Speaker 1: to be capone Okay, and you know I was the
Speaker 1: next best person to go to, uh Warrior Flush. But
Speaker 1: I didn't know about Warrior Flush at the time. Was
Speaker 1: he was? He was? He was a real street dude
Speaker 1: like he was. He was the guy back in Mike Geronimo.
Speaker 1: Mike Geronimo was a lot of people don't know a
Speaker 1: lot of overlook I was yesterday, but she was real.
Speaker 1: It was nas and it was Mike right here, bro,
Speaker 1: he's nipping at him right. It was really like listen, listen.
Speaker 1: It was like I listened. Even when when he com
Speaker 1: big al was bigger than NAS at the time when
Speaker 1: its Colombia, like in that building that records, No you
Speaker 1: want to Columbia Records. At that time they signed big
Speaker 1: l direct and they got NAS, so they didn't know
Speaker 1: that vision yet big It was all about big Elig label.
Speaker 1: I was never No, don't know what I'm saying. That
Speaker 1: he was the guy. The reason it was great about
Speaker 1: Naz is ascension before the Alematic. I agree with him
Speaker 1: a little bit more, even more that he's agreeing with
Speaker 1: it when you're the guy at the label and the
Speaker 1: label is the label. Yeah, because Halftime, because Columbia was
Speaker 1: a force to be record like this, So they was
Speaker 1: about big el Nas was the side rough house he goes.
Speaker 1: There were certain labels at that time that you knew.
Speaker 1: You go there, you blow. That jam has always been
Speaker 1: that label. They're just now losing that steam just now.
Speaker 1: No dispect to them. I loved them, but they're just
Speaker 1: now losing that steam in the scope has always been
Speaker 1: that label. But they always had sixteen artists that gear
Speaker 1: that didn't work as well. They had six that fucking
Speaker 1: went through the fucking roof so much. But the other
Speaker 1: six teams you just forgot about these people balance that
Speaker 1: that that they were. And but now moving on to
Speaker 1: me changing stuff, you gotta start wrapped radar and you
Speaker 1: guys are backed by Paul Rosenberg, Yeah, and Eminem. How
Speaker 1: then do not Eminem? Technically? I don't know, but you know,
Speaker 1: and the site to be specific because here and he
Speaker 1: was a little more hefty. Yeah, it's okay, but it's
Speaker 1: is Eminem's money somehow, somehow, how even how do you
Speaker 1: guys even get that meeting? How does that even set
Speaker 1: up to? I think that's an elliot question because the
Speaker 1: turning point was when we did them and this is
Speaker 1: a website, it's not a magazine, but it's not hard fifty.
Speaker 1: So we saw the supporting fifty when fifty was running
Speaker 1: the underground the mixtape ship was phenomenal. That running went
Speaker 1: on before he signed a shady aftermath. The site supporting fifties,
Speaker 1: huh the site when you're saying, when you're supporting fifty site,
Speaker 1: magazine whatever, like already no, no, I'm giving you the
Speaker 1: whole how guess to Paul Rosenberg. So it really started
Speaker 1: with fifty I credit fifty like documented fifties rods, underground, dominating,
Speaker 1: come back after the after the getting shot, dominating the underground,
Speaker 1: running the game, and then he signs with he signs
Speaker 1: with Shady Aftermath. So it's like, damn, like we had
Speaker 1: a good report with him. He was putting in the
Speaker 1: magazine every month. I was like, he's probably not gonna
Speaker 1: us because at the time EXXL didn't mess actually said
Speaker 1: I had to be foot the eminem before I got there,
Speaker 1: and I wasn't able to squash it. So he was
Speaker 1: pro source at that time. So I was like, aftermath
Speaker 1: of the Shady Aftermath finished, who would have thy? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So um, I was like fifties bowling up. But he's
Speaker 1: gonna like say, he can't sunk with us once he
Speaker 1: signs with them, they're gonna sunk with us. But when
Speaker 1: he when he popped off Noah, callahand Bever who's at
Speaker 1: death and now too, he says the me, me and
Speaker 1: Paul was first Paul Rosenberg and was like he wanted
Speaker 1: the comics at the time, you know, he was he
Speaker 1: was freelancing. He wont the never story, the whole fifty
Speaker 1: cent Eminem Dr Drake cover xx L. He wrote the
Speaker 1: cover US or you know, I just found out No,
Speaker 1: it was a journalist. Always thought he was like a
Speaker 1: blogger complex. I had no idea he was the guy
Speaker 1: that was yeah, so like keep did that cover and
Speaker 1: like that was the beginning of me and pools Burg
Speaker 1: having to sit down where it was like I was
Speaker 1: only trying to get a fifty cent cover. He's like,
Speaker 1: how you want em? And Dr Dre I'm like, let's go.
Speaker 1: So the thing is when I got when I got
Speaker 1: fired from a double XXL, Paul hit me up Poars
Speaker 1: and burg Eminem's partner hit me up and said, you know,
Speaker 1: your voice is missing from the culture, Like what's your
Speaker 1: next step? What are we gonna do? At the time,
Speaker 1: Peress Hilton represented the whole gossip, so he's like, that
Speaker 1: could be you. You could be the Elliott Wilson. You're
Speaker 1: the voice of hip hop, your voice. Everybody should read
Speaker 1: your editorials. Your voice is missing. You could be the
Speaker 1: gatekeeper of hip hop, and you could be like, what's
Speaker 1: your voice. That's how we came up with rad That's
Speaker 1: how it began, and then we stout to be dot.
Speaker 1: We met and Georgia yea quez right now. It used
Speaker 1: to be that movie did it right there? Come okay,
Speaker 1: siss down the block ail you get eat God damnit.
Speaker 1: Georgia died and he's like, hey, I want to start
Speaker 1: a website. You know, it's weird because it's like two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight. There is no Instagram right Twitters in
Speaker 1: its infancy, and the source had just lost tons of
Speaker 1: on the website, the recessions about to hit. It was
Speaker 1: a lot of things going on. And it's like with
Speaker 1: the dot com dot com. Remember they're like the first
Speaker 1: people that dot com was the first. Everything first, and
Speaker 1: you know, we come from journalists. Background journalist at the
Speaker 1: time used to look down on the website and the
Speaker 1: internet essentially saying go from journalists to a blog. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I was like a website. We didn't have a name,
Speaker 1: but you know it was like all right, I trust you.
Speaker 1: We're gonna make this happen. What they just told men
Speaker 1: bleak about that's hard to hold other stories, but anywhere
Speaker 1: we're gonna play that right now forget. So a week
Speaker 1: later we had to meet with Paul. He was like,
Speaker 1: I got the name of the website called right up.
Speaker 1: Paul thought of the name. Yeah, I was hoping all
Speaker 1: the names shout out and I was like, I never
Speaker 1: thought that. And it's like, you see the reason for
Speaker 1: the name. It was a bunch of names, like it's
Speaker 1: one of like a generic kind of like one of
Speaker 1: the that that sounded like it already had been out,
Speaker 1: Like it wasn't like a new ship. That's true. We
Speaker 1: said rap raid of? You said what authorities like it
Speaker 1: already existed. We just started it sucked you, which was like,
Speaker 1: oh ship, Like so you guys have these websites. You
Speaker 1: all look cool your blog like she is popping. But
Speaker 1: his rap raid off, it's changed, game has changed, tagline quick,
Speaker 1: household aggression. And you know we we we've settled on
Speaker 1: a date to launch at March night, which was Biggies
Speaker 1: passing of BRG and you know the rest of history
Speaker 1: have been at it ever since ten years right off,
Speaker 1: God damn it, God damn. What what does that backing
Speaker 1: look like? You know, to give me very much specific,
Speaker 1: it's like it's with a budget. You know, we had
Speaker 1: a we had a space. I was so and it
Speaker 1: was what he next. He was there for like six
Speaker 1: years and then I guess the rank got too damn high.
Speaker 1: What was the coach like compulside, I'm saying it was
Speaker 1: him like literally investing in it. Yeah it was, Yeah
Speaker 1: he was. That's that's what I mean. I don't I
Speaker 1: don't need to know what the fun Yeah, he like
Speaker 1: I'm back in this and then you got are discussing
Speaker 1: what it takes to make it work. Absolutely a real
Speaker 1: partner in that sense, and I appreciate that like him,
Speaker 1: he took a losses, took his chances like in that
Speaker 1: world because literally is he evolved because I wanted to
Speaker 1: be a big or just just wrap right of surpassive partner.
Speaker 1: I mean everything wrap Radar is still a partnership with
Speaker 1: me and him. Okay, the brand is still partnership. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's dope. That's dope. Appreciate he's respectful. But like the
Speaker 1: thing great about rap Radars it's becoming the podcast. And
Speaker 1: you know, I credit the guy's vision. You saw the
Speaker 1: vision before me about the podcasting to rap rate of
Speaker 1: podcast that was like, yeah, I was a SOMERF. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't see it because like you know, I p
Speaker 1: combat Jack. I was like, I don't want to look
Speaker 1: like I'm trying to like like want to set the
Speaker 1: bar in the beginning, and then Combat was doing his thing.
Speaker 1: R I p to him. I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: want to just jump in, look like I'm all greedy
Speaker 1: trying to do a podcast. But beat Out was smart.
Speaker 1: He was like, you know there's a lane for that,
Speaker 1: and like, now, when you think of rap Radar, it's
Speaker 1: about the podcast. So I credit beat Out for making
Speaker 1: it happy. And when you think about it, behind the
Speaker 1: back in the days, the behind the scenes, the dudes
Speaker 1: was just behind the scenes. Yeah, I was the days.
Speaker 1: The behind the scenes dudes have their own you know,
Speaker 1: when it looks like it was a wonderful time, but
Speaker 1: you were doing bad. You was doing rus because when
Speaker 1: we brought up fifty to you, he was like, he
Speaker 1: did not like it was what's about? I think it
Speaker 1: was Chass bless the chatd I think you did an
Speaker 1: interview with Chaz. It wasn't just that blah black hair chairs.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing anything, It's funny when people talk about
Speaker 1: um rappers like someone soul doesn't like you. Rappers don't
Speaker 1: like media, so it's like, so like the thing about him,
Speaker 1: he fifth we didn't have like that rapport. Everything once through,
Speaker 1: Vanessa was all good. It was like, but I got
Speaker 1: no problem, Like I respect for him, like he set
Speaker 1: the whole ship off, like we mean history together, every
Speaker 1: run is phenomenal, like I was. I was. I'm blessing
Speaker 1: honor to be able to document that whole Let me
Speaker 1: straight to the point, because let me just do it
Speaker 1: and do it. That's a journalist, sir, obligated to you,
Speaker 1: obligated to your audience. It's smoke Champs. So I asked
Speaker 1: you not to interview a certain person, and you felt
Speaker 1: obligated to you only because it was responsible something he
Speaker 1: already had said. That's why they got the end of
Speaker 1: what you mean. It means at the time he had
Speaker 1: did something that had piste off that crew, and then
Speaker 1: I gave them to respond to the situation because you know,
Speaker 1: like the thing was like same with the Tupac tupac
Speaker 1: us Vibe. Tupac used Vibe to be his voice, magnify
Speaker 1: his voice about his issues about what this would biggie
Speaker 1: the whole thing. So it's like, do you blame the magazine?
Speaker 1: Do you blame why everybody blames Vibe for the same
Speaker 1: way Jenny and Business and fifty meant that we became
Speaker 1: fifties platform. So when fifty had a problem with somebody,
Speaker 1: it got magnified because double x L would be behind this,
Speaker 1: So I have to catch all the heat that comes
Speaker 1: with that, right, And see the thing about it is
Speaker 1: that's the reason why I don't want to claim myself
Speaker 1: as a journe the list. It's because I want to
Speaker 1: give people. But the basic journalist thing is to cover
Speaker 1: both sides. So if your side, we're not journalism at
Speaker 1: that's crazy about it because even when I did Ray
Speaker 1: and fifty right, it was like, oh, we didn't do it.
Speaker 1: Two months later I did Murdering because Murdering had got favored.
Speaker 1: I got raided by the fans. That's a story. So
Speaker 1: I did the whole bull's eye of the public enemy
Speaker 1: logo Earth Clubs that to this day if you asked
Speaker 1: Earth Earth Clubs that I always got along with Earth,
Speaker 1: I got along with cats. So it's like everybody said, oh, y'all, En,
Speaker 1: let scopes, dick, y'all worked for Jimmy, I v your
Speaker 1: favorite fifty cent And then three months later, after the
Speaker 1: infamous covered, we covered the other side, which is the
Speaker 1: murder ink side of the story. So that's what I
Speaker 1: always tried to do. But I always always favorite Fifth
Speaker 1: because Fifth was dominant of the culture, like he Mazin
Speaker 1: belave it. After that conflict, he did the Curtis was
Speaker 1: Curtis album. Curtis, he wasn't that one that he got
Speaker 1: on his f Elliott Wilson ship. He still did the
Speaker 1: cover and it was all cool. Yeah, he hated you.
Speaker 1: That sum wrong. But because I heard you say one time,
Speaker 1: you said it was hard for you to cover j
Speaker 1: knowing that you and j had became friends at one point,
Speaker 1: Well that was that. That wasn't in the magazine at
Speaker 1: that time. No, No, But what I'm trying to say
Speaker 1: is how hard is that? Because the thing about it is, right,
Speaker 1: I just watched the Love of Hip Hop, not comparing
Speaker 1: you to Jason Lee and no Way form and fashion.
Speaker 1: But Jason Lee is sitting there and he's telling a one.
Speaker 1: He's like, yo, I gotta report that. I probably not.
Speaker 1: You're sucking some other bits, right. So now with me
Speaker 1: with me, I like like that day nas and be
Speaker 1: interview nas Naves could have had his face and a
Speaker 1: stripper's pussy that morning and my artist and with me
Speaker 1: and me would have not asked him that question. That's
Speaker 1: what That's what I distinguishedly makes me not a journalist
Speaker 1: because I would rather protect my artist, but as a journalist,
Speaker 1: that makes me suck. You got. But what I'm trying
Speaker 1: to say to you is because I remember what you're
Speaker 1: saying that about Jay, You're saying it was kind of
Speaker 1: hard to cover him at well to accept that, Like
Speaker 1: I got to accept that we're growing closer and I
Speaker 1: do consider him a friend. But to be the good
Speaker 1: thing about him is that this thick skin. So it's
Speaker 1: like if you think something's white, he wants to have
Speaker 1: that debate with you. It's like you can't like just
Speaker 1: be We're not here to be yes man carrosself a
Speaker 1: certain But that works with Jack, Yeah, it didn't work
Speaker 1: with fifty. Why we never had that report. That's what
Speaker 1: the twisted part about that is is that he never
Speaker 1: liked me. We just did great together. He never liked me.
Speaker 1: We didn't be in a stupn and it was great
Speaker 1: and I appreciate that. Like never like he didn't ask him,
Speaker 1: did you ever like Elliott? But rappers didn't like? Why
Speaker 1: would you like me? I'm fucking media? Rappers don't like media.
Speaker 1: It shot to my journalist my nigger. Like rappers don't
Speaker 1: like a certain extate with people, get you fair articles,
Speaker 1: you start to build up a poor with them. No,
Speaker 1: but that was all. Really believe that's your report with Jay.
Speaker 1: I believe that. But one thing I can tell you, sincerely, Yes,
Speaker 1: I know you believe that Jay is the best artist
Speaker 1: in the world. I know you sincerely believe that. I
Speaker 1: think that If you don't say, if you don't think
Speaker 1: Jay is the greatest of all time, you're just telling
Speaker 1: me who your favorite is of all time, like all
Speaker 1: that fift ship. That ship is depressing to me because
Speaker 1: it's like you're just like you have such a war
Speaker 1: view of hip hop. Of like when you talk about
Speaker 1: the greatest, it comes down to stats. It comes down
Speaker 1: to catalog and comes down the platinum records. It doesn't
Speaker 1: come down to like lyrical, miracle, spiritual. It comes down
Speaker 1: to stats, like with sing basically saying the best artist,
Speaker 1: and that's subjective a certain point, but it's like you
Speaker 1: can't deny that one. It's type a little way to
Speaker 1: win the granby because it's the car the free time,
Speaker 1: We're all gonna clop whether we like him or not,
Speaker 1: because it's a little way it's time he wanted to think.
Speaker 1: So I think that is like this idea of like
Speaker 1: what is your personal favorite and what is the greatest?
Speaker 1: Like we don't control what the greatest is stats, the
Speaker 1: stats like respect and what I'm saying. Some people on
Speaker 1: the different what is greatest mean though it's another thing.
Speaker 1: You're gonna make something personally great to you. It doesn't
Speaker 1: mean it's great, can it be? It's can have been
Speaker 1: more than one. So for jay Z, for jay Z
Speaker 1: to be whatever on the biggest scale, and I think
Speaker 1: so too legible goals, but also think Jordan's a goal.
Speaker 1: I also think bird is a goal and my wrong,
Speaker 1: Magic is a goal. But there's always one validatorian the
Speaker 1: end of the day. Isn't that opinionated though? But it's
Speaker 1: it's generational And he's saying but and that's true. But
Speaker 1: but but at the end of the day, isn't it
Speaker 1: what you prefer? I think it's all about what you prefer, Yes,
Speaker 1: but you also take yourself out the picture and look
Speaker 1: at the larger picture as a whole, right, agree, Like
Speaker 1: I go to jay Z shows in their pack like
Speaker 1: the B Side Show for instance. You know those things
Speaker 1: weren't cheap, and there was people from eight to eighty.
Speaker 1: They're reciting the words, and I alway is looking like
Speaker 1: you don't have to be a jay Z fan to
Speaker 1: know jay z music almost like a drink and his
Speaker 1: music has lasted the test of time and it's impact.
Speaker 1: You could be in the Bay Area and the forty
Speaker 1: could do the same thing here. I think he is
Speaker 1: a legend, but I think it's very regional but appealed.
Speaker 1: But it could be equally on that side as well.
Speaker 1: They might say the same thing I'm saying regionally. We
Speaker 1: gotta understand that everybody has different perspectives regionally, right, but
Speaker 1: for what they think hip hop like whatever we want
Speaker 1: to add to these listspect forty, But I would use
Speaker 1: jay Z's approach and his music has penetrated the culture
Speaker 1: more on a national scale, more on a global scale
Speaker 1: than he for no disrespect because yeah, of course, so
Speaker 1: I think that's the reason why I would put him
Speaker 1: my number one as well. Who would you putting on one?
Speaker 1: Though I got not the number one, but not And
Speaker 1: I want to be very very very very careful at
Speaker 1: this because it's not it's not because he's my friend.
Speaker 1: A lot of people, um illmatic meant more to me.
Speaker 1: I swear to God, I think it meant more to
Speaker 1: me than meant to him because of the time, like
Speaker 1: I would, living against the life, I can't describe anybody
Speaker 1: else or what anybody else was doing. I can only
Speaker 1: say what I was doing. And I got caught up
Speaker 1: in the system. When I got caught up in the system,
Speaker 1: it hurt me to actually walk through people like queens
Speaker 1: like and I really had to fight for that ship.
Speaker 1: Cares One really put us in a bad position that
Speaker 1: it was like listen, listen. Me and I spoke about it,
Speaker 1: and you said, you know, we we listen to that
Speaker 1: in the bridge. It's true, but um uh all matic.
Speaker 1: When I listened to it was it was Biggie Smalls,
Speaker 1: it was Buckshot Shorty, it was all these dudes. But
Speaker 1: when al Mattock dropped, it was something that it did
Speaker 1: to me. I've seen Steinway Street. I saw a story
Speaker 1: of hours. I saw I saw a woodside I saw
Speaker 1: I saw basically projects. I saw south Side, I saw
Speaker 1: a hunch seven got Broad. I saw this. I visually.
Speaker 1: I would read books, not because I liked to read it.
Speaker 1: I wanted to get out of jail. So when I
Speaker 1: would read a book, I would read Donald Goring's Horse Son,
Speaker 1: I would beat in Detroit or whatever the funk. Donald
Speaker 1: Gorman's wrote like, I don't like reading. I'm actually my
Speaker 1: name of my book is called reading is overrated? More
Speaker 1: teen pages, four teen pages, hurry up, wake up. But
Speaker 1: so so what happened was I would read these these
Speaker 1: books like Dope Son, dopefee, excuse Me and all this
Speaker 1: ship And when Ill Mattic came it was the first
Speaker 1: time I visually saw an album ever like I visually described.
Speaker 1: And a lot of people would say, well, you know
Speaker 1: what that's because you're from queens But I wasn't in
Speaker 1: queens Bridge every day. I wasn't on staring Way Street
Speaker 1: every day. I wasn't in rats with projects. I wasn't
Speaker 1: in woodside projects every day. What'side project wasn't from your side.
Speaker 1: I wasn't. I went to What's Side forty six and
Speaker 1: Bliss on the seventh Trade. I went to that school.
Speaker 1: When when Nas actually did that, I saw it. But
Speaker 1: even if I wasn't from that place, the fact that
Speaker 1: he described Queen's wridg that dope to me. When you
Speaker 1: say the greatest of all times. And if you say
Speaker 1: that jay Z is the greatest artist of all times
Speaker 1: when when it comes to rap, yeah, I have to
Speaker 1: agree with that's it when you say that, because what
Speaker 1: do you say, say those words? No artists? You know?
Speaker 1: This is why it's such a tricky. This is why
Speaker 1: that black thought no wrong. How do we just think
Speaker 1: with goats? I believe it is versus its artists like
Speaker 1: this is when we have those discussions, I say, artists
Speaker 1: versus rappers right, your rapping right, there's good rappers and
Speaker 1: rappers right this good artists, it is bad artists. Artists
Speaker 1: to me are how you construct the album, your songs,
Speaker 1: your versus your courses, the sales, the economics of it
Speaker 1: as well. Just rappers rappers can't agree with him when
Speaker 1: it comes to stats when you nobody turning that down.
Speaker 1: So I think when we have the discussions more so
Speaker 1: about artistreet and I think about it, it's more, it's more,
Speaker 1: it's more I'm next to, but it's more of the
Speaker 1: what you prefer. Like like to tell you the truth,
Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna get so much slack for this. I
Speaker 1: didn't like reasonable doubt because I was broken, but it
Speaker 1: was an incredible Yeah, I just was broke but could
Speaker 1: not relate to it like I couldn't. It's like it's
Speaker 1: for real. It's like to this day, like when he
Speaker 1: came up with niggas in Paris. Yeah, I went to
Speaker 1: a club and one of my homies bar fifty bucks
Speaker 1: for me. And did he go to the club and
Speaker 1: he said, what's fifty grand to a nigger? Like, and
Speaker 1: I'm looking like you just dollars you doing singing that line.
Speaker 1: But at that point, like I had, I was an
Speaker 1: ounce nigga, I was a quarter ounce nigger. I was
Speaker 1: a quarter key. I was a key dude, most I
Speaker 1: ever had as a key. When you talk about you
Speaker 1: know these bricks and all that, I'm like, Jesus, I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: he lying, I'm not thinking this is really I'm looking
Speaker 1: at its aspirational. Maybe No, I didn't look at it
Speaker 1: like that. I looked at it like he was flossing
Speaker 1: on what's the next album after that? Okay, that's something.
Speaker 1: That's something one he had to marry go around where
Speaker 1: he went the merry go around, Sunshine, Sunshine after Sunshine.
Speaker 1: That that was my nigga. That So I'm like that
Speaker 1: take a long time that take a long time at
Speaker 1: that point is that Listen, my very first shows was
Speaker 1: with jay Z. A Nigga l A l A came
Speaker 1: out the same time I hooked him up with the
Speaker 1: light skin bitches from my hood. Come on, he's been
Speaker 1: like about them, So let me say that correct because
Speaker 1: if you want to see I want to seem like,
Speaker 1: yeah you know, but um yeah, I had been. But
Speaker 1: after YO two Dan, I had recognized because maybe I
Speaker 1: started getting money, okay, and it's it's that's real. That's
Speaker 1: the most honest answer. You said that. It was the
Speaker 1: most honest. Like if you're not making money and a
Speaker 1: dude is talking about making way more money than you,
Speaker 1: you're not talking about making a hundred hours more than you.
Speaker 1: He didn't wait making he listen. I had a five
Speaker 1: a five, so it was it was relatable. That's why
Speaker 1: I loved the fourth four four album. I feel like
Speaker 1: the album should coming because that's because I think about Graham.
Speaker 1: It's my number to jay z albums, that's number two.
Speaker 1: The thing Grams, if you look at the tradition to
Speaker 1: the Grammys, they always like favorite is hardest, a little
Speaker 1: past that prime, like creating a gray body of work
Speaker 1: that like you know what I mean, mess certain things
Speaker 1: that that ship didn't relate to, like hip hop. When
Speaker 1: I was trying to give Jenny things like give everything
Speaker 1: in the Kendrick, Why could you gave it to Maclamo before.
Speaker 1: It's just like it was lame with me like you
Speaker 1: got in front row like Jagga deserved one of those. Yeah,
Speaker 1: absolutely should have got that one. I'm high as fucked
Speaker 1: by the way. Chance. Come on, give us the smoke,
Speaker 1: Open it up, Open it up, show it to the camera, yo,
Speaker 1: shows smoke. Yo. Is this ship? You take it out? Man,
Speaker 1: I'll be scared of it. Train a day. What is that? Yo?
Speaker 1: It's just a twig with fucking frost. What we're talking about?
Speaker 1: We got saw you. I'm trying to get us advert
Speaker 1: smoke smoke yo, second hand? Yo. See his ain't drinks
Speaker 1: become smoke champs. Yes, is always been smoked. He brought
Speaker 1: the name earlier. I'm not gonna I got drink, I
Speaker 1: got smoke dj LLC. That's right LLCC. Let's go and
Speaker 1: let's go. What's what's what you got and what's the
Speaker 1: ship that makes you wake up in the morning to
Speaker 1: be thrilled? Like like like like like you know what,
Speaker 1: you know what you know the crazy ship is right. Um,
Speaker 1: when we start this podcast, we wanted to just deliver
Speaker 1: information and what happened was you know smoke, right, people
Speaker 1: want to live you know you're shign up for its. Sorry, Yeah,
Speaker 1: people wanted us to deliver I don't think you should.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to protect you. Why nig is nasty? Got
Speaker 1: like water with like a little bit like not just
Speaker 1: missingly drag a little bit, but it's all good or
Speaker 1: the yells. So what is the thing like, what is
Speaker 1: it like when you sit down with an artist and
Speaker 1: you get like for me, for me, right, I'm sorry
Speaker 1: to relate it to me, but for me to see
Speaker 1: nas talking about Prince and see now I's talking about
Speaker 1: big big so elusively and he wasn't. He wasn't giving
Speaker 1: me one word answers to me, that's a thrill to
Speaker 1: bring somebody out there. Show what is your thrill when
Speaker 1: you do an interview? Um, like I said, just being
Speaker 1: a fan, right, so I'm talking to the superhero. So
Speaker 1: the fact that I'm getting But what happens if you're
Speaker 1: you're not a fan of this person. I'm a fan
Speaker 1: of the music. You know, I'm a fan of the coach.
Speaker 1: I just want to do a good interview nobody. He
Speaker 1: wasn't a yeah, of course about it, but you could
Speaker 1: be a figure journey journalize you're not a little nose.
Speaker 1: But I can't think about who We've been too so
Speaker 1: many people that I wasn't necessarily a fan of. But
Speaker 1: you know, I love the music, but I'm not a
Speaker 1: jeezy active listener. But but I want to say something
Speaker 1: about what he said. We keep talking about the naz
Speaker 1: episode that was not legitimately a real drink Champs and exact,
Speaker 1: and we have our story with that as well that
Speaker 1: we don't have to get into it, a little long story.
Speaker 1: But we were supposed to do it here in Miami,
Speaker 1: came here and then we went and did it at
Speaker 1: his album released party. It would have been a totally
Speaker 1: different and yeah, yeah, yeah, but but but you know
Speaker 1: what it is like when when when we do it,
Speaker 1: because there was a live audience, so we had to
Speaker 1: cater to the audience, of course, and we only have minutes.
Speaker 1: I'm a natural former, so when I'm gonn that before,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna naturally perform towards the crowd. Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, So I mean it was good. But
Speaker 1: the thing is one I was not asking about no, no, no,
Speaker 1: his police questions. I'm not I'm not doing that talking
Speaker 1: because I'm I'm I'm a fucking baby father and I'm
Speaker 1: a fucking artist, and I don't want to ask me
Speaker 1: about my baby mama. I got like five, I don't
Speaker 1: even know, like even I had some time back in
Speaker 1: the days, So so I don't want that. So why
Speaker 1: would I do something to somebody? And not only that,
Speaker 1: like we're not only like back, we've pairing our relationship,
Speaker 1: like this motherfucker's hitting me, Like, why would I breaking up?
Speaker 1: We don't do that, said to you, two hour interview
Speaker 1: with got it. He sat right here, He smoked weed,
Speaker 1: he drank all the type of ball he did whatever.
Speaker 1: And I've never brun not because that's not a hot
Speaker 1: topic of the conver but it's not our platform. We
Speaker 1: don't want to continue the gossteps. Not only that, the
Speaker 1: first time he had been you know, all here, he
Speaker 1: was warming with y'all whatever, So we let Benzino say whatever.
Speaker 1: It was warm with us. You know, we had ours,
Speaker 1: So we let Benzino say, what's up? We also have
Speaker 1: a Benzino interview two hours not one. Elliott Wilson slammed that,
Speaker 1: Oh wow, plas, I just want to say he was possible. Yeah,
Speaker 1: is that he did say? Oh we got along. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was just it got to the point where you know,
Speaker 1: a guy was running reckless, like we need to picture.
Speaker 1: He had the g check me brung up Scott, he
Speaker 1: broke up you, he said, he said nah, And that's
Speaker 1: what Elliot and came on and Elliott took over this
Speaker 1: swear because he was always a hundred to got to
Speaker 1: that point. You know that we have to do, but
Speaker 1: we always a respect and that's what hip hop has
Speaker 1: to go into. But there unfortunately, I just love doing
Speaker 1: a good job. Then what gives me up in the morning.
Speaker 1: I love the fact if we do a good interview
Speaker 1: and contact someone, it gives an opinion about hip hop
Speaker 1: and it's just the game. Now that buck, what is that? Like?
Speaker 1: What did you say? You said wasn't the top five? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I said, I said Stole was in the top five.
Speaker 1: Bad boy artist me and going back and forth, and
Speaker 1: I said the number one was Big of course, number
Speaker 1: two was Jada Kiss or I think Mace or Jada
Speaker 1: Kiss three was one of those and like Black Rob
Speaker 1: and I think maybe like Stoups like five or six, right,
Speaker 1: bad boy, bad boy, you gave him. So Charlotmi was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: we are you talking about? Style? Is better than make somebody?
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? You're going drugs? Because if
Speaker 1: you remember back in that time, like Mace was the
Speaker 1: nigger going back to the Elliott says stats, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: at least it was a moment Mace was that good
Speaker 1: looking at you in your face and say I remember that, No,
Speaker 1: I remember, I remember that Mace was that not Murdervation
Speaker 1: was that guy, but that nigga he talked about what
Speaker 1: murder he was riding up pre pre Harlem world. Maybe
Speaker 1: you talked about Murdervation cor Ma I'm talking about about.
Speaker 1: I'll tell the world that nigga was that guy, the
Speaker 1: nigga that did come to camera. Yes, that nigga double up.
Speaker 1: Mace was that guy. Popularity wise and lyrically. What was
Speaker 1: his own of No, you know this, nor you know that.
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you what that that's my eye it was.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you exactly what wasn't train. What happened was
Speaker 1: what happened was pol had got sentenced, right, well, Poem had,
Speaker 1: what's that ship? Gotta diet in? And you know you
Speaker 1: didn't you get sentenced, so you gotta diet it. We
Speaker 1: knew he was gonna get sentenced Poem. He wasn't married
Speaker 1: this time, so Poem was running around sucking everything. God
Speaker 1: bless him. I would have been sucking anything too. But
Speaker 1: is that the train coming to so poem me, I'm
Speaker 1: so happy to be at the left Frac City nine
Speaker 1: seven days, seven little body apartment. So I'm so happy
Speaker 1: to be out the hood that I'm the first one
Speaker 1: there when the studio is nine o'clock. I'm there at
Speaker 1: seven thirty, Like, I'm so happy. And I got so
Speaker 1: many rhymes that I wrote in jail. I got so many.
Speaker 1: So one of the rhymes was know this and know
Speaker 1: that voting Jack because both camera then you know, talking
Speaker 1: about questions, one of my favorite groups. So I'm sitting
Speaker 1: there writing a round and I wrote that up the jail,
Speaker 1: this and don't you know that? So I had the
Speaker 1: ship and I had laid it in Unique Studios. I'll
Speaker 1: never forget it. I had laidership in Unique Studios and
Speaker 1: compone came up. This is when I knew Queensbridge is
Speaker 1: queens Bridge, niggas I got. I gotta relax and from
Speaker 1: left track. So Poe walks in the studio and Poe like, yo,
Speaker 1: this ship is ladyship. Do you know this? I laid
Speaker 1: it off with brand new be and don't let it
Speaker 1: go to you This before brand new bian, I was
Speaker 1: at my grandmother. She played this record. She played this record,
Speaker 1: don't let it go to your head. So I went
Speaker 1: to east LP. I said, easy, LP, I don't know
Speaker 1: this record is because I don't hard to sampt that
Speaker 1: back then. So I said, he knew exactly the record.
Speaker 1: He's liked what boom laced the ship up boom. So
Speaker 1: I went in there. So now now let us listen
Speaker 1: to that rhyme and think of that beat this I'm leave, man,
Speaker 1: I'm leaving. That fits better. What don't let it go?
Speaker 1: So Poone walks in. He hears the ship and he's like,
Speaker 1: this is let me let me get my first ready.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, all right, cool, So this is like
Speaker 1: my first production, like I actually produced this. I told
Speaker 1: them to temple this record and then the homie trash
Speaker 1: walked in. Twelve minutes later. It was like what the
Speaker 1: fuck is this? And I looked because I swore I
Speaker 1: had a hit. Yeah, I looked. He said, we don't
Speaker 1: sample like Puff Daddy, like Havoc. So they scrapped my record.
Speaker 1: It's the worst day of my life. It's the worst day.
Speaker 1: I know this is a hit, Bro, I know it,
Speaker 1: So so do that certain body of that part I noticed,
Speaker 1: say but out voted the Queen's Bridge niggas a went
Speaker 1: but you held on to it, You held out to it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's just true. So so Nas is supposed to be
Speaker 1: on the album. He's on his record called music, Make
Speaker 1: this My brother eat money Bags. It's from my building Avenue,
Speaker 1: Apartment four teen B. I forget, which was way um
Speaker 1: so me money bags and OS had this record called
Speaker 1: music and his stuffs calmed down. I don't remember if
Speaker 1: how does happened with trash replaced the money Bags versus
Speaker 1: He later verse, I don't know if that's the reason
Speaker 1: why NAS didn't clear it or or I've never got
Speaker 1: the full story. So later on they're saying, you know,
Speaker 1: we're gonna make it up to you for not being
Speaker 1: on the War Report that album. That's two big stars
Speaker 1: and Nas Bro. So we looked like we're the dudes.
Speaker 1: But we look like the dudes. That's the dudes. It's
Speaker 1: not really, it's like they're Jason. They're on the corner
Speaker 1: with us. I don't know if they're coming in the
Speaker 1: house then, and I walk. Um. They invite me to Miami, ironically,
Speaker 1: and they said, I we want you to come on
Speaker 1: the Firm album. This is before they announced the firm,
Speaker 1: but what the firm was Yeah, So I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll be there. They said, coming to Miami. I said,
Speaker 1: no problem. I'm waiting for them to give me my
Speaker 1: flight info. Flight infoe never came. So no, no, no,
Speaker 1: they never even told me that. They would have said
Speaker 1: to come up on the wall Martin. But somebody was
Speaker 1: broken the time. This is after the war report. This
Speaker 1: is a fact. I'm still broke. So I don't keep it.
Speaker 1: No lies, no, no, no, no, no matter, no malleable nigger.
Speaker 1: I don't even got I don't even got so. So
Speaker 1: these nimes hit me and they fly me to l A.
Speaker 1: And when they fly me too l A, I walk
Speaker 1: in the first session. That's the reason why I'm still
Speaker 1: cool with Nature and I will always be indebted to him.
Speaker 1: This is the reason why I put him on band
Speaker 1: from TV. First, I walked in the session. It was
Speaker 1: Nature's session, and Nature is a brilliant writer, but he
Speaker 1: just takes three days to right sixteen. Yeah, but he's
Speaker 1: sixteen that he's gonna take three days. Yeah, crazy Slive
Speaker 1: is going to this team got fifty seven sixteen, So
Speaker 1: I don't. And Dr Dre is on the fucking engineer.
Speaker 1: So Dre is waiting for Nature and you look an
Speaker 1: tell he's wresting. So he's like, this is the reason
Speaker 1: why I always walk with Nature. So he's wrestling, He's like, yo,
Speaker 1: you're ready name, and so he's like I almost supposed
Speaker 1: to beat and he just switsches to beat and I'm
Speaker 1: just going like this and he's just he switched to
Speaker 1: the other beat. He goes boom and then the other beating.
Speaker 1: I'm not doing it to show up on the corner.
Speaker 1: I'm like yo, and Dre's like yo, homie yo noriy right.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yes, niggas, I'm sorry. Didn't like how you
Speaker 1: do drop its going on drops, So I said, yes,
Speaker 1: I'm more. He says, he says, you got something for us,
Speaker 1: And I'm looking at Nate and Nate looking at me,
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at Nate like, yes, I have something,
Speaker 1: because you don't want you at your home. And this
Speaker 1: is because I knew what I was gonna do. I
Speaker 1: ain't gonna I had that it I ain't right that damn.
Speaker 1: I had to said, why did you know that would work?
Speaker 1: But once I heard the beat, it was not the helicopters,
Speaker 1: it was the um um I need you to that.
Speaker 1: That was the first one. So when I came ship,
Speaker 1: I said, and that ship came out and this is
Speaker 1: crazy ship. This This is why I knew. I was
Speaker 1: like really thirsty because I laid the ship perfect Dr Dre.
Speaker 1: Don't tell nobody it was good. I laid this ship
Speaker 1: and he was like, yeah, I came out this before
Speaker 1: I had knew who drew perfection to see was he said, yo, listen,
Speaker 1: no one, and I didn't know what I was supposed
Speaker 1: to say. No, yeah, I did hate, so I said word.
Speaker 1: She said, just do it again for arguments sex man,
Speaker 1: and I laid it again and then he made me
Speaker 1: late one more time and he told me later and
Speaker 1: then up people that Blood Money Part two beat so
Speaker 1: again I don't remember if that was track Masters beat
Speaker 1: and if there was his beat and he gave masters
Speaker 1: the credit that was tracks his beating. Well he pulled
Speaker 1: it up and that's how we got Love Money part
Speaker 1: to Member Money Parts Nation. That was done during the
Speaker 1: Firm album during Nature's session. Wow, if I was natured,
Speaker 1: would if he would have hated on me? I don't
Speaker 1: even like, why is this left frantic Ship just thinking
Speaker 1: was one of two records in my session, Like just
Speaker 1: think about what we were talking about. He don't even
Speaker 1: know me. I'm man as Nas and Jungle guests. But
Speaker 1: y'all think it's magic and burg. I think he's made
Speaker 1: a lot of around. You gotta remember after the first off,
Speaker 1: this is in between them switching members that they don't
Speaker 1: know what that is expected and just move on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like we were supposed to act like this is he
Speaker 1: supposed to just act like, you know, you know, like
Speaker 1: we love Nature. But Nature walked in Ship. But he
Speaker 1: didn't know at the time. I didn't know at the time.
Speaker 1: Nobody at the time. They did that with the Fox,
Speaker 1: he joined the lat Familiar. They switched, they switched, they
Speaker 1: switched the verse. Yeah, but that verse, that's what the
Speaker 1: thing is up was like then it came out. So
Speaker 1: when I gets outature and mind you, I'm thinking I'm
Speaker 1: going back home. No one's never going to hear these records.
Speaker 1: And guess what, no one's never gonna believe me. I
Speaker 1: never really told people that Dr Drake did because I
Speaker 1: was like, who is gonna believe me? Like I went
Speaker 1: straight back the left frack like it wasn't like I
Speaker 1: went back and I had a mansion and without the
Speaker 1: d and the firm, I went straight back to the
Speaker 1: left frack. And I did not think I was getting paid.
Speaker 1: So they gave me fifteen bands at that time, the brands,
Speaker 1: So the record implored it for me. Yeah, And that's
Speaker 1: initially how me and Tragic Cort Beef because the same
Speaker 1: record he told me it was whack told me, and
Speaker 1: then he told my friend Left, who is who is
Speaker 1: the man? Right now? To the left was going on?
Speaker 1: He told Left, why would he take a CNN record
Speaker 1: and give it to them niggers that didn't even want
Speaker 1: to be on the CNN's first album. M m mmmm.
Speaker 1: He had a point, but he was wrong. Let's not
Speaker 1: forget you told me this record was all right? You
Speaker 1: shut it down? You shut it down, that's trash. I
Speaker 1: don't want to seem like I'm because I'm not backing
Speaker 1: it at all, and no way shaped fashion for my fashion.
Speaker 1: But also I'm telling my side of the story. This
Speaker 1: is how I sort of time and that record I'm
Speaker 1: leaving is what made Nori so. So I was asking
Speaker 1: you a question. The thing was, I was a big
Speaker 1: Fife Dog fan, one of the biggest Fife Dog fans.
Speaker 1: And when I met five Dog, he was a little
Speaker 1: like like a little like nasty to me. But pauls
Speaker 1: it because he was like, he was like, yo, I
Speaker 1: think you kind of nice. So I'm not going to
Speaker 1: trying to be your friend friends because I didn't know,
Speaker 1: Like that's how like rappers think, like boxes don't want
Speaker 1: to be your friend boxing meet another box, like what's up? Year? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I might have to suck you up one day? So yeah,
Speaker 1: so whf I think that? To me, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this this, this was this was dope. So that's that's
Speaker 1: how I eventually and if it wasn't for that record,
Speaker 1: I told that tons and a lot of people thought
Speaker 1: I was what was that when you nailed in front
Speaker 1: of did you know you? I didn't know. I didn't know,
Speaker 1: so I've seen the documentary on Defiant ones and and
Speaker 1: and people telling me how difficult Dr Dre is, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, nig I nailed the first one. But then
Speaker 1: I also remember I was hungry, like I was starving.
Speaker 1: But you feel like when that friend comes out, that's
Speaker 1: the that's the track. Actually know what trapped? I thought
Speaker 1: was gonna be it. You came up, that was a
Speaker 1: good song. But if it wasn't for the firm you
Speaker 1: came up with it worked, hit me out and I
Speaker 1: would switch it back to yas. I wanted to be
Speaker 1: my interview of course, um, but to hit me out
Speaker 1: there was the thing was the Firm has so much
Speaker 1: looking on him. Not because of the Firm, but because
Speaker 1: of that was Dr Dre's next project after the Aftermath, definitely,
Speaker 1: So it was so much that so whatever it was
Speaker 1: on and me, you gotta realize, this is some queen's
Speaker 1: secret ship. Nas and Jungle was giving me love because
Speaker 1: they felt like they wronged me on the war report
Speaker 1: and they felt like they missed the opportunity. They couldn't
Speaker 1: come back and say here goes this record. We those
Speaker 1: those ideas wasn't invented, Like now you get get a
Speaker 1: new record, new that didn't start charging. Back then, no
Speaker 1: one thought of that, so they were just trying to
Speaker 1: write that wrong. But if it wasn't for that record,
Speaker 1: that record opened up everybody. Everybody remember that and then
Speaker 1: but actually recorded you came up first? What punt? What
Speaker 1: pun first? And it's the first time I've ever seen
Speaker 1: like like like niggas had a food budget, Like I
Speaker 1: didn't know that. I didn't know, Like he came in
Speaker 1: with a food budget that's crazy, like he would or
Speaker 1: the twenty five pizzas and I'm like, yo, puns, it's
Speaker 1: four of us. So so I this industry, Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: so much ups and downs in between sideways when you
Speaker 1: interview an artists and think you did a great job,
Speaker 1: but you gave your honest opinion and these artists are
Speaker 1: not satisfied. How do you how do you remedied time?
Speaker 1: It's almost like if you with your girl. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like you don't give us some space
Speaker 1: and you know eventually they'll come back around. I mean
Speaker 1: that's all. You can't do it the end of the day.
Speaker 1: We're all grown man, man and women. We're adults. So
Speaker 1: you know, it's like you know you'll get over it.
Speaker 1: You will will come back to you eventually. I think
Speaker 1: that's the best. But absolutely stay hot with you. Ever
Speaker 1: wished you said something that you didn't wish you said? No,
Speaker 1: what happens to actually the opposite. There's things that after
Speaker 1: the interview, like, damn, forgot to say that. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying that the biggest question I've missed the
Speaker 1: acts was how do you feel about utles? As I
Speaker 1: didn't care about question I didn't care about. Yeah. When
Speaker 1: I finished, I was like, damn because I had the
Speaker 1: ship wrote down ye, but yeah, we always do that.
Speaker 1: We do the most great energy. Were like, damn, we
Speaker 1: didn't ask the funk. That was the woman missed. So
Speaker 1: that's the thing that's the biggest thing. Damn it. Goddamn man,
Speaker 1: I'm so happy. I'm so happy to have y'all love. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something y'all taught me. I mean, well, Elliott,
Speaker 1: you taught me um uh competition and the thing about
Speaker 1: it now, But you know what, I still take that.
Speaker 1: I still taking the heat because the thing about it
Speaker 1: is wanting to be great have to do with wanting
Speaker 1: to be your greatest self, not who you're battling because
Speaker 1: if if I'm sitting here trying to be better than you,
Speaker 1: then then what happens if my true self is better
Speaker 1: than that, So I might as well just be a
Speaker 1: better version of me. It doesn't matter who if. So
Speaker 1: that's the reason why I love that we're all in
Speaker 1: our own I believe you said it one time. I said,
Speaker 1: I think you said on Twitter you said drink champs
Speaker 1: were like the sixty Minutes and drink Champions like the
Speaker 1: Howard Sterns like accause it's different experiences, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like celebrity on I want to see norionas
Speaker 1: have a conversation. I was gonna be a fly on
Speaker 1: the wall appreciate you know, like like I always say,
Speaker 1: I had both of your pictures on all. So it's
Speaker 1: a different approach. I'm more so as a fan, you know,
Speaker 1: a different perspective of a fan than you are talking to.
Speaker 1: But but you know what you taught me that brother,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying you when you said that to me,
Speaker 1: I don't know. We were twitter arguing that Twitter fingers.
Speaker 1: It's just it's just it's competitive nation. But when he
Speaker 1: said no, no, listen, listen, he said he said, the
Speaker 1: difference is we're really fans. And I couldn't argue with that.
Speaker 1: He said, yeah, I don't care about he said the differences,
Speaker 1: we're really fans. And the thing was, I hadn't stop
Speaker 1: when I had to thick. You know when somebody hit
Speaker 1: you with yourth said earlier like it almost it almost
Speaker 1: tastes wrong, but when you put it in your mouth, pause,
Speaker 1: it tastes good. It's said, you know what, this might
Speaker 1: be the truth. Yea, this might be the So you
Speaker 1: know what I had to do. I swear to god
Speaker 1: I had stopped. I stopped doing shows. I don't know what.
Speaker 1: You know, how you look at this pop, go back
Speaker 1: to the toy, look at the finances and say, well,
Speaker 1: what am I doing? All Right? If I don't need it,
Speaker 1: then focus on what is working. So because I was
Speaker 1: gonna be seven niggas at once, I was gonna be
Speaker 1: the rapper. I was gonna be up. But then I said,
Speaker 1: you know what? But then I said, uh, And I
Speaker 1: was trying to cater towards y'all style, or cater towards
Speaker 1: a Swede or Rob Marksman or Mike or bog Zilla
Speaker 1: a wall mikey Fresh said Mikey fresh Uh, Charlotte Maagne,
Speaker 1: and I said, you know what the crazy shit about
Speaker 1: all you dudes is, I'm glad I can't do your
Speaker 1: job because you're good at your job. And y'all exactly
Speaker 1: what the thing is. I have to emphasize on being
Speaker 1: an entertainer, not a journalist. Journalist comes with me being
Speaker 1: to entertain. The entertaining you guys are having certain notes
Speaker 1: and certain times I don't even have to look at
Speaker 1: the notes because I just would rather be organic with
Speaker 1: you guys. But yeah, that's where I knew I messed
Speaker 1: up when I was trying to entertain with you. I said,
Speaker 1: I mean I was trying to be a journalist with
Speaker 1: you guys. That that that that that doesn't that's not
Speaker 1: where we are. He's a d j im a rapper,
Speaker 1: so always keep it from DJ and a rapper. And
Speaker 1: that's when I said, I said, you know what, everybody
Speaker 1: could eat their own fruit. No one needs to. I
Speaker 1: don't need to, Like, no, we don't. I don't. I
Speaker 1: didn't at first because I'm being honest with y'all, especially
Speaker 1: in front of your face. At one point, I was
Speaker 1: trying to cater towards y'all style. I said, you know what,
Speaker 1: let me try to cater towards their style. Then I
Speaker 1: looked at Charlotte Maine and I said, you know what,
Speaker 1: that's not gonna work for me. Um because the way
Speaker 1: Charlotte Magne how he asked it, he's not gonna work
Speaker 1: from just that's my boy, That's not gonna work for me.
Speaker 1: And then I looked at Joe. But Joe and c
Speaker 1: Joe Budden style is more or less talking about you
Speaker 1: when you're not around. That's not my job. My job
Speaker 1: is to talk about you when you are around. So
Speaker 1: I couldn't use his neither. So I'm searching for the dudes.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at Sausage Jenkins old interview. I'm trying to voice.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to really get good. And what I realized
Speaker 1: my voice was already my voice. Yeah, don't try to
Speaker 1: be don't try to be a second coming of nobody,
Speaker 1: be who to be a second coming of r E
Speaker 1: be r e as as a motherfucking media guy. And
Speaker 1: I found my voice. Got damn so now working for MTV.
Speaker 1: All right now, now jay Z drops the album tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's trash, okay, impossible. Look at that that's the
Speaker 1: other biggest jay Z fan in the world. You know,
Speaker 1: I always have arguments with him just to just to
Speaker 1: get Piste off. But let's that's both. You know Jay,
Speaker 1: he's growing on his break. Yeah, he wants to do
Speaker 1: a reggae album. Times not talking about him, that's not
Speaker 1: talking about out of it O wo think it goes
Speaker 1: out does a reggae album. He geld gold front from
Speaker 1: Johnny Dang reggae colors. This nigga I'm hold for you said,
Speaker 1: do you tell home this? Just try? Do you let
Speaker 1: it come out? He's gonna go this is gonna feel it,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna be the guy to be the bad cop.
Speaker 1: He's gonna play it for you prior to coming up. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: remember he got right now. So he's in the rap
Speaker 1: Radar mansion. Let's just let's just stay inut. You're staying.
Speaker 1: You're a mallible rap radar matching the new rap Radar
Speaker 1: matching the mallible bol comes in and you know from
Speaker 1: his swag he just left Kingston because he walked a
Speaker 1: certain certain I don't know why he has a take
Speaker 1: a set, but he has a take a set, Okay,
Speaker 1: and he puts it and you guys are listening, Lion,
Speaker 1: this is the greatest rapper all the time. Now start bottling.
Speaker 1: He's also a guy who cuts the checks. How did
Speaker 1: you tell the Y'allah this is not it? You kind
Speaker 1: of relax, you can tell him think about it's great
Speaker 1: about James. He was like, you know what you're talking about?
Speaker 1: You back the real ship, Like so it's not about
Speaker 1: like nobody can tell him it's not the right thing.
Speaker 1: But you know, I think you had that one stupid
Speaker 1: like one stupid to the whole Snoop Lion this ship.
Speaker 1: I was like, I wasn't I didn't connect. You wasn't
Speaker 1: feeling a realcarnation. I was not stupid stupe lion. I
Speaker 1: went out on some real ants ship. But I didn't
Speaker 1: even all these years, I didn't really knew stop dog
Speaker 1: and now dog me like real cool. But it's like
Speaker 1: he knows I didn't work with the Snoop Lion. Ja
Speaker 1: tak Yeah, that was that's not a class with j class.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised you brought that up. That's a classic. That
Speaker 1: was his first that was that was that's my reggae,
Speaker 1: Like I think it come to the game. Some don't
Speaker 1: get their props about reggae tone. I always get mad
Speaker 1: because people get at you because no, I did reggae tone.
Speaker 1: It wasn't bad. And now look at everybody. Never give me,
Speaker 1: don't get look now, everybody, listen, listen, listen. I lost
Speaker 1: my whole when I listen. My friend, I told you,
Speaker 1: I'll get you next. One of my first fat Joe,
Speaker 1: called me and said, really stop it right now, buck,
Speaker 1: these guys do not continue with this my other friends.
Speaker 1: So the left of me walked in the room and said,
Speaker 1: I don't poke with that ship. That's the way it
Speaker 1: happened in my mind. I went to I went to
Speaker 1: her laughs. I was hanging out New York. I was filming.
Speaker 1: He was always filming. And then you did a verse
Speaker 1: and it sounded to this gig. And when I turned
Speaker 1: the carmes enough to think it was just a product
Speaker 1: bad timing, definitely, you know what, you know, you know what,
Speaker 1: it's so bad to pack myself on the back. But
Speaker 1: I was ahead of my time that the thing was.
Speaker 1: I went we was bad from Hot nighty seven right
Speaker 1: in front of the building started a radio station. I
Speaker 1: was not there, by the way, but I was going
Speaker 1: to Supress, the highway that traffic Honoday seven And the
Speaker 1: only way that could reintroduce us was through this reggae thing.
Speaker 1: So we did a record with Rain Wonder and Lexus
Speaker 1: Girl you want to take My life. You look Jamaica,
Speaker 1: look at you, look at you. So so that was
Speaker 1: how they started to reintroduce us. So I knew when
Speaker 1: I got to Jamaica, I loved this album. It was
Speaker 1: just one problem, this just isn't my island. I love
Speaker 1: the island life. Jamaica taught me the island life. I
Speaker 1: just knew that a part of me belonged somewhere else.
Speaker 1: The island life period Jamaica taught me like that was
Speaker 1: the first time I said, you know what, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: fall in love with the island. But I just knew
Speaker 1: it wasn't myns. So I had to go to mind
Speaker 1: and I winded up in Puerto Rico. And when I
Speaker 1: winded up in Puerto Rico, I found this amazing music
Speaker 1: that yeah, no one funcked with in America. So I
Speaker 1: got back to and I couldn't believe DJ or nothing
Speaker 1: and commit long and these guys wasn't playing it. But
Speaker 1: I looked like a hit to them when I'm saying that,
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, you're gonna play. You gotta play, daddy Yankee.
Speaker 1: They're like dad yo, this guy like there you go,
Speaker 1: and then don't know more. They're like these names are
Speaker 1: wow and at that time the name sound but you know,
Speaker 1: you know why I saw it with a roll and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest with you. I've brung for Route
Speaker 1: to J. I bron for Route to N And they
Speaker 1: both had the similar story. One act why his shirt
Speaker 1: was so tight and the other acts why his choker
Speaker 1: was so tight. Forget which what which one was? What?
Speaker 1: But then two years later after oh No, because remember
Speaker 1: Corolla didn't just blow up after Super Dogs, a lot
Speaker 1: of people think that what what what came out of here? People?
Speaker 1: People thought we were both lucky. People didn't rush for
Speaker 1: at first. People were like okay, and then oh No
Speaker 1: came out. Then that's when Mrical came with Black You ask,
Speaker 1: so Msica was the first one and then the big
Speaker 1: dogs came. But I don't know all over the place
Speaker 1: because I went to Puerto Rico years before it popped
Speaker 1: off here. Yeah, this is my my my perspective on
Speaker 1: it being Latino like here When I was doing my stuff,
Speaker 1: Everybody's like, oh, you don't do no letter up now
Speaker 1: I speaking. I don't. I was born in America. I
Speaker 1: don't speak Spanish. But then I went to Puerto Rico
Speaker 1: and they was doing straight up hip hop in Spanish
Speaker 1: and my boy Echo shout out to produce a big
Speaker 1: reggaetone producer as well. He took me to a spot
Speaker 1: and it was Aga and all I could see was murder.
Speaker 1: She wrote looped, that's it. He's Spanish, that's all wrote
Speaker 1: flex This whack as but everybody's dancing. But I said,
Speaker 1: this is whack. And then my boy tells me this
Speaker 1: is gonna take over the United States. I said, brother,
Speaker 1: they don't speak Spanish in the United States like that.
Speaker 1: If it wasn't take it over, what's my hip hop
Speaker 1: woun't be no reggae? What's what reggade would be? No
Speaker 1: reggae reggae don you won't have Joe, you won't have
Speaker 1: none of that. Have a real quick This is this
Speaker 1: is my opinion on for all oats. It became an
Speaker 1: economic thing because all the big regga donadoes in the
Speaker 1: beginning that Yankee they don't they're ill lyricists in Spanish
Speaker 1: doing boom back in span we what he was in
Speaker 1: the beginning? Who ate wasn't Dad? Yankee's name was Winchester
Speaker 1: and he was That's what he was, Tony Touch mixtape,
Speaker 1: That's what he was. What I'm trying to say, is
Speaker 1: this the tourist side of the island or the country.
Speaker 1: And wherever they went in Latin America, they wanted to
Speaker 1: hear reggae. That's the dance you need, dance music, and
Speaker 1: there was like, oh ship. It started in Puerto Rico,
Speaker 1: and then it started to spread. It became an economic thing.
Speaker 1: So when I travel these different countries, there's a battle
Speaker 1: in Latin America versus hip hop and they get thrown.
Speaker 1: And now the trap music, which is kind of like
Speaker 1: don't mimicking you know a different thing, and it's an
Speaker 1: economic thing versus art form, and it's like a battle
Speaker 1: versus you know what we talk about all day every day,
Speaker 1: hip hop, boom bad versus this, and that's what's going on.
Speaker 1: That's the beauty of that. Nor being a pie and
Speaker 1: they're like Kanso was playing somewhere right now. It's like
Speaker 1: I love Lucy, Oh, let's play somewhere. I need a brag. Okay,
Speaker 1: let me just tell you something. Um, um, you gotta
Speaker 1: tell it. Tell you guys down story without what because
Speaker 1: I don't think you've ever really told it that it
Speaker 1: was a mixtape version. Yeah. Yeah, Yeah, we're gonna save
Speaker 1: it for Latin, Latin version. We're gonna keep we gonna
Speaker 1: keep it here. We're gonna keep it here. Weren't keep
Speaker 1: it head. We're gonna keep it here this context. So
Speaker 1: you guys smoke champs. Yeah, yes, that's what it is.
Speaker 1: The smoke you guys leave you guys. You guys contract
Speaker 1: with CBS. Yeah, CBS. You guys, contract is going up
Speaker 1: with CBS. I like, he's focused. How do we figure
Speaker 1: out we're going to keep it cultural and stay with
Speaker 1: the culture, because you guys, blew up. You just had
Speaker 1: the Jay Z interview. You just had the Will Smith interview. Technically,
Speaker 1: just over those two interviews alone and countless of other
Speaker 1: classic interviews, but those two interviews alone, anybody will come
Speaker 1: and say, I would like to buy this content. I
Speaker 1: would like that. How do you choose title? But that
Speaker 1: those episodes were on title and I see this contract
Speaker 1: was coming to a close or whatever. The terms were
Speaker 1: and Elliot was just like just felt different, like the
Speaker 1: money was just too inconsistent something they got at the time.
Speaker 1: I'm thankful right they wanted it. Though. Remember when we
Speaker 1: kept going whatever money we were getting, I was happy, like,
Speaker 1: if you give me a nickel nickel, but Elliott saw
Speaker 1: a dollar and I was like, yo, it's cool with
Speaker 1: this nickel. But I guess title he had a new
Speaker 1: situation over there, and I think I want to bring
Speaker 1: it over there. And it was because we gotta blow
Speaker 1: tight up. Because the thing about it is we all
Speaker 1: had an apple. We all have apple, and and I
Speaker 1: said this, I said this before, and I don't want
Speaker 1: people to think this is a racial thing when we
Speaker 1: love all the because because you know, you know, um,
Speaker 1: I love Larry Jackson over at Apples called cherry love
Speaker 1: to all my people. But the thing is, when I
Speaker 1: say this, I'm not saying this this in their positions
Speaker 1: or audition, this in the companies they work for. But
Speaker 1: I like the fact that I can I could hit home.
Speaker 1: I like the records with this guy. I like that
Speaker 1: I did one record with him. It was all Kelly record.
Speaker 1: I'm not proud of it. I like I like you know,
Speaker 1: I like, you know, um, I about to say, I like,
Speaker 1: all Kelly, you got me up. You pick up the
Speaker 1: shot papers, all nice, big up to my people. Shot papers.
Speaker 1: You know what we're doing it and what the smoke channel?
Speaker 1: To make sure you what was I talking about? Come on?
Speaker 1: I was. I was into that, I said, jay Z
Speaker 1: and I like the fact that I could call my CEO.
Speaker 1: Cameron actually said that one time, Cameron, someone could teake
Speaker 1: Cameron after he had left um what was it epic
Speaker 1: or was it? And a sony sony and he had
Speaker 1: signed to jay Z and I remember Cameron saying something
Speaker 1: and it hit me. For pause, it hit me in
Speaker 1: a way I have never been hit prior to that.
Speaker 1: Hit balls hitting the balls that I mean, I understand
Speaker 1: that balls like, but I'm saying it hit so the
Speaker 1: way it hit me. He said, I like the fact
Speaker 1: that he can call his CEO. And when he said that,
Speaker 1: I said, oh ship. And here's the thing. Drink champs
Speaker 1: had became like a thing that people talked about. Didn't
Speaker 1: understand anybody who could cheek the Donas interview never seen.
Speaker 1: That was a hundred and six nine episode. You've never
Speaker 1: seen a hundred and sixty eight because we pick up
Speaker 1: our artists. We didn't do nothing abnormal people like you
Speaker 1: picked him up too much. We picked every fucking body
Speaker 1: up comes. So there came a time again, I know
Speaker 1: ear fings gonna look at me. There came a time
Speaker 1: where certain companies, because it was a one subscription company
Speaker 1: who came at us a subscription company, and when a
Speaker 1: subscription company came out and they so when they came Paul,
Speaker 1: what would be the difference if we do it there
Speaker 1: and if we do it here? So I'll call Charlemagne
Speaker 1: one day. Title was not in the are. This was
Speaker 1: just their situation and the massive pill. And I said, Yo,
Speaker 1: what did you what would you think? And he said,
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes when the culture blow up, the culture
Speaker 1: always get outside the culture. I'm not mad the culture
Speaker 1: to keep it culture. And it was the most simplest
Speaker 1: thing for me to do in the world, right. And
Speaker 1: the thing was, I like the fact that our bosses
Speaker 1: look like us. If they don't mind calling them my boss,
Speaker 1: I don't give a funk. I don't give who's your boss?
Speaker 1: What you want? Oh my god? What did Jay say?
Speaker 1: What's your employer name? With your pieces? I like the
Speaker 1: fact and I like the fact that I'm the guy
Speaker 1: who I'm working with looks like me. I like the
Speaker 1: fact that guy that I do business with to get
Speaker 1: my thing on television looks like me, and he dances
Speaker 1: as well. He's wear shiny suits. I like the fact
Speaker 1: that when you hear us, it comes from a guy
Speaker 1: that if it wasn't for his career, I might have
Speaker 1: even been here anyway. I wasn't rhyming like that before
Speaker 1: Illmatic had to change my whole ship. I think we
Speaker 1: all had to change our up at the Ilmatic. I
Speaker 1: think even Jay would say that. I think Jay did
Speaker 1: say that. Did he say that? He said I thought
Speaker 1: he was all on Blueprint three? So I like the fact.
Speaker 1: And there's certain people who would come and say, well,
Speaker 1: that's a Luminaiti, let's do what What is the next one?
Speaker 1: What do you say to people like that? People? You
Speaker 1: know what they're saying, that you're easy luminite? What they
Speaker 1: say that they say that because you want I'm not that,
Speaker 1: because I'm not that rich, because you want MTV, because
Speaker 1: you want MTV and you want type this is the
Speaker 1: first thing that I have to say. But what did
Speaker 1: the rich one you did for the luminati, the rich,
Speaker 1: come on this show. What do you believe there's something
Speaker 1: called blackballing? Like I asked, somebody think about it. When
Speaker 1: he said, okay, hold on, actually the something called black baller.
Speaker 1: And I think he gave the most best I'll take
Speaker 1: on the side of type the most guest, as you
Speaker 1: don't have to pass the most I wait for Elliott
Speaker 1: get the most best answer. He said, if there's such
Speaker 1: thing as black bailler, would you let them black ball you?
Speaker 1: Now he flipped it though, like, but that's not If
Speaker 1: you got wildfire, you can't be black You can't black
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't believe so many. If you got
Speaker 1: a Twitter account of instant, you can't be black balled. Man.
Speaker 1: So unless those companies black ball you, it's hard. It's
Speaker 1: hard as black for you black ball you in this error. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because again you have a certain direct line to the consumer.
Speaker 1: Right back then we had to go through the direct companies.
Speaker 1: There was a little SoundCloud Freddie Gibbs. Freddie Gibbs left
Speaker 1: UM and did well off for itself. Times back in
Speaker 1: the days, you leave this company and they'll quote unquote
Speaker 1: MA and you'll probably his blacks Like it's gonna make
Speaker 1: it hearty if he had to go through that and
Speaker 1: he overcame it. But this is what I think, and
Speaker 1: you correct me if you think it is right, if
Speaker 1: I say, if I say, I don't funk with Elliott, right,
Speaker 1: all right? So right, So it's not that I'm calling
Speaker 1: him saying don't funk with Elliott. I'm saying it publicly.
Speaker 1: I don't call with Elliott has to make his I'm
Speaker 1: calling him, calling bet and saying, you're be got If
Speaker 1: you standing next to Elliott to me and you got beef,
Speaker 1: I'm not doing that. The thing is you're standing next
Speaker 1: to him, and you know that that's your choice. You
Speaker 1: may climate yeah, because because because I'm trying to tell somebody,
Speaker 1: like I'm trying to tell the individual there's like yo,
Speaker 1: because I know niggers don't want me on a drink chance.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're stop it, man, listen, man, you gotta stop.
Speaker 1: I like, yo, Never I've never had a conversation with
Speaker 1: j about you. I've never had a conversation but about you.
Speaker 1: I don't have a conversation but not. I'm just starting
Speaker 1: to do business with these people. But the thing is,
Speaker 1: you just think I'm getting wrong. What a billionaire and
Speaker 1: I'm talking about you. I got to figure out who
Speaker 1: this rapper. No, it's not a raper. But the thing
Speaker 1: about it is so many people who lose in life.
Speaker 1: And I'm not I'm not calling this person to lose it,
Speaker 1: but but so many people are losing life. That's what
Speaker 1: they blaming on. They say that. They say that the
Speaker 1: reason why beat Out is winning, or the reason why
Speaker 1: beat Out is on MTV is because he's a part
Speaker 1: of Illumini. You know what I'm saying that it makes
Speaker 1: me feel like success. For you to even say that
Speaker 1: that makes it that makes me feel successful, like I'm
Speaker 1: in Illumina. I don't even think that. I can't even
Speaker 1: get verified on your sign to jay Z brotherly like yes, yes,
Speaker 1: they think you're in a luminality. Yes, this is the
Speaker 1: first time you heard that I'm bringing into your fourth
Speaker 1: first brother. This is and they're saying about me. And
Speaker 1: at first I used to be um flatter because I
Speaker 1: used to be like, all right, that means I'm up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm up. But now that that I'm actually seeing with it,
Speaker 1: I don't like it because I feel like they're taking
Speaker 1: away from my success. I feel like what you're saying,
Speaker 1: I ain't work hard. We got a hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: nine episodes for a reason. You know, we're out here.
Speaker 1: I'm out here with five fucking gold, fucking platinum albums
Speaker 1: for a reason. This man has been DJ and for
Speaker 1: twenty five years and we even touch a fucking crate
Speaker 1: unless it's vinyl because he's fucking for real for a reason. Like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: this nigga is a stubborn guy. So I just say that,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, like like like like this
Speaker 1: is what I'm saying. It's like, um. And when they
Speaker 1: say that, in case you didn't know that, anybody who
Speaker 1: messes with Jay, anybody who kind of like gets close
Speaker 1: what Puffin wins, anybody who who does business with nos
Speaker 1: That's the immediate thing that they say, I happen to
Speaker 1: do business. We happen to do business for all three
Speaker 1: because the business made sense, not because we're down with anything.
Speaker 1: And these things have no control over our ship. That's
Speaker 1: one of the things that we said is like we're
Speaker 1: not changing a damn thing. We're still gonna smoke weed.
Speaker 1: We're still gonna smoke the smoke camps with the white
Speaker 1: ship around it, that looks like cocaine in TBD. And
Speaker 1: when we and we're smoking it out of shine papers,
Speaker 1: shine papers we got. We're gonna be smoking blaze. We're
Speaker 1: gonna be We're gonna be drinking sut. We're gonna be
Speaker 1: drinking space. We usually have a space. Sorry hole today
Speaker 1: I'm still gonna do no listen, listen, you know, let's
Speaker 1: take a week to come here. But I couldn't listen
Speaker 1: listen AI serious man, being honest, I don't need to
Speaker 1: have a conversation with one. Yeah, because a spade is
Speaker 1: very too expensive. But yeah, we got we gotta yourself
Speaker 1: because we want we want this ship to be oh
Speaker 1: wrap you rabble? What the fun rap rappers for us?
Speaker 1: You want to man? And we want you to know brothers.
Speaker 1: You know, I think, y'all, I'm so glad that your
Speaker 1: brothers came and sat down with us because because a
Speaker 1: lot of people doing you know what, a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of people thought that this was this was
Speaker 1: like a competition or beef and the things like that.
Speaker 1: And the thing is, I've warmed it it. I welcomed
Speaker 1: it because I needed it. I needed to be put
Speaker 1: in my place. I need to be put it on
Speaker 1: my toes pause. I needed to, I needed, you know,
Speaker 1: because yeah, because the thing about it is, the thing
Speaker 1: about it is if anything comes easy to me in life,
Speaker 1: I don't want it like I don't. I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't know how to roll a blunt because it's not
Speaker 1: easy like I want. I want, you know, I want
Speaker 1: to work for it. I want to. And the thing
Speaker 1: was you guys, It was rap rad Off, You guys
Speaker 1: was establishing what was going on. He was the biggest thing.
Speaker 1: And then we came to CBS and it probably felt
Speaker 1: a little crazy and it did. It did. Let me
Speaker 1: tell you what what what? What was? The first thing
Speaker 1: was the time when we interview tax Stone and the
Speaker 1: interviewed see the God. We had road weeds and the
Speaker 1: guy and in the next yeah, yeah, and it was
Speaker 1: like the rap Radar guy said, you guys can't be
Speaker 1: rolling weed in here. He said, was highly upset, yo.
Speaker 1: But let me tell you something be Dot Brian be
Speaker 1: Dot Miller, Elliott Wilson. I want to thank you guys.
Speaker 1: I want to thank you, thank you. I want to
Speaker 1: thank you guys for doing what you do in hip hop.
Speaker 1: I want to thank you guys for holding down what
Speaker 1: you're doing hip hop. I want to thank you guys
Speaker 1: for doing reporting journalism the way it's supposed to be.
Speaker 1: I want to thank you guys for motherfucking monkey foot
Speaker 1: in this game and not stopping. I want to thank
Speaker 1: you guys for upping the game and going out there
Speaker 1: and getting the jay Z and getting the Will Smith
Speaker 1: and getting the fun you gotta do and making sure
Speaker 1: your interviews is on point to make sure that my
Speaker 1: ship is on point, because I watched it me one
Speaker 1: of your motherfucking ship to make sure that I can
Speaker 1: step it up. And I want to thank you in
Speaker 1: your face, not behind your back, to tell you we
Speaker 1: appreciate what you do for the Coach, that we appreciate
Speaker 1: what you do for the podcast game, and we appreciate
Speaker 1: what you're doing for title, because we're gonna make this
Speaker 1: ship the new Apple, Last Last. I gotta come on
Speaker 1: those big shots though I've been noticing. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it's been going crazy. Solo, Yo, Solo, Thank you so much, man.
Speaker 1: That was like a four hour conversation and