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Speaker 1: It's just like I don't know why anyone, if those

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00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 1: people even still out there, but I don't know why

427
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 1: anyone has that sort of view that like hip hop

428
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 1: has to be like this homogeneous thing. It's like, no,

429
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: like there should be adult oriented rap music and you know,

430
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 1: young adult there should be like Harry Potter version young

431
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 1: adult novel wrapped in you know, like wild clubs that

432
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 1: you know, there should be room for all of that.

433
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 1: I think I think people sometimes almost like do a

434
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:04,360
Speaker 1: straw man of trying to say that, oh uh, why

435
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: why are you guys or why heads who are like,

436
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 1: you know, more along the lines of like that that

437
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: sort of quote unquote true school, old school, you know,

438
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: vein of things. It's not necessarily that the diversity in

439
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: styles and stuff is an issue. It's just merely like

440
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: it's more of a media criticism in terms of like

441
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: the balance and what gets exposure and what doesn't you know, absolutely,

442
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,880
Speaker 1: and it's funny I was thinking that, Well we talked

443
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 1: more about later, but like this is I did think

444
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 1: a lot about that, about who sets the parameters for

445
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 1: who becomes famous, and just thinking about how even because

446
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: the other day, like I tweeted like it was really

447
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: you know, no one said as rapid or widely celebrated

448
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:58,360
Speaker 1: of of an ascendance as DMX did. And it's crazy

449
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: to think that even act then a very like major

450
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 1: label driven thing like his his like prime era. UM,

451
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: it felt almost like more authentic then then a lot

452
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 1: of stuff does now because it was out in the

453
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: open and they were like, yes, Death Jam Records wants

454
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 1: you to listen to d m X versus. Now it's like, uh,

455
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: an independent team that secretly was programmed by you know,

456
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: a PR agency UM and a brand partnership with you know,

457
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 1: of average company is organically suggesting that you get into

458
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: this cool new artist that totally isn't a product of

459
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 1: engineering that we did. Like that's it's very you know

460
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 1: that and very there's a there's a plastic nous ship.

461
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I had not to go to

462
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: wild all over the place. But I find it is

463
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 1: in like a lot of entertainment video mediums where it's

464
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: just like there's this aura of like and it almost

465
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: feels like it's the eighties, Like it feels like a

466
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: like a parody of like somebody making fun of how

467
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: the eighties were, where it's like everything is just really

468
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 1: like soulless and the the the there is no pretense

469
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 1: that capital is the biggest motivating factor. Everything exists absolutely,

470
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 1: and and and and then there's they still try to

471
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 1: put on the veneer of relatability, like you know, the

472
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: classic example being brands tweeting brand the tweets is the

473
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: is the real soul of you should if you watch

474
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: like a making of on like a DVD that was

475
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: made in like two thousand seven, and then you watch

476
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: the making of for a movie that was made like

477
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: two years ago, just look at the difference in what

478
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: their person that in you is, like the behind the

479
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: scenes look. It's like like one of them is clearly

480
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: like a reality show fake shit. Hell yeah, really weird.

481
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: That's a good challenge. I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna

482
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: pick a good pick a real good one and just yeah,

483
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: no now I'm hype for that. Okay, so I'm sorry

484
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: not to And so what was the name of your

485
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: rap group? Oh? Back then it was called VPM. Was

486
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: what did that stand for? Oh my god? It was

487
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: beat People's Movements? Like, yeah, I mean it's not the word,

488
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: but it sounds. I mean, someone could also have mistaken

489
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: it for us, saying like being like a paramilitary or something,

490
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: or an attack squad um, you know, like the but

491
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: but we yeah, it was like beats it beats you know, Uh,

492
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: it was, and I think it was. It was sort

493
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: of one of those reverse engineered things where we thought

494
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 1: like it would be cool to call ourselves VPM. Hey

495
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: what does BPM stand for? And for? We've got coming

496
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: up with the reading afterwards? Absolutely, and that's that's fine,

497
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: you know. By some of my first tattoos kind of

498
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: have that sort of a good Yeah. I mean it's

499
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: it's it's it's sort of like and it's sort of

500
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: like that. That's also true that the spirit of songwriting

501
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: in some cases where you like the way some words rhyme,

502
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: and then you're like, what do I have to say

503
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: that will make these words make sense? Yeah, that's how

504
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: good it happens. All the time. I think we don't

505
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: want to do it too often because it feels like

506
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: you can tell. You can tell when somebody is doing that,

507
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: oh yeah, oh yeah, it's usually glaring. If they're not

508
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: like a really good rapper, then cover it up. Um.

509
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: That's sometimes it's the worst, just sitting with a couplet

510
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: or like a rhyme scheme or like I could if

511
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: I make this happen, I've I've triumph, I've I've conquered

512
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: rap sit there for twenty minutes, You're like, Oh, let's

513
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: think of something else. Let's let's try something else. Otherwise

514
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: I'll hate my life, myself and this art form that

515
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be still a tribute to himself. You know,

516
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: the way that I heard of you was through the

517
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: battle scene, and this is like I wanna if I'm

518
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: going back to win. Like the first video that I

519
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: can recall seeing if you, I mean it must have

520
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: been like two thousand nine was when my first one came.

521
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: It was around two thousan is I think I saw

522
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: like grind time stuff. You see, It's like I have

523
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: I have a a nuanced relationship with that style of

524
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: battling because the scene that I came up in was

525
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: the freestyle scene, absolutely, and there's still like run there

526
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: was an overlap there. Yeah, and then that at that

527
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: time period, there was like I like I had missed

528
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: out because my father worked for the State Department, so

529
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: I grew up overseasons. So by the time I had come,

530
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: you know here to go to college, sucking, you know,

531
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: scribble Jam and stuff like that was going on, and

532
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: I wasn't like established enough to get into that scene.

533
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: So when that started dying out is when the grindtime

534
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: stuff started kind of rising. And did you do both?

535
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: I actually did because there was no New York I

536
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: think I either missed or there wasn't a New York

537
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: City Scribble Jam qualifier in two thousand seven. And so

538
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: I went to Traverse City, Michigan by myself, which is

539
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: a weird thing to do, and I did the scribble

540
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: prelimbs there and I was in the semifinal. I was

541
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: in the finals of the Scribble Prelimbs for Michigan, which

542
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,719
Speaker 1: is hilayer for Traverse City. I don't know if there

543
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: was a Detroit one, which is wild to think about.

544
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm messing up because so we don't be

545
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: too insider. Yeah. So Scribble Jam was a huge hip

546
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: hop festival in the you want to say, late nineties

547
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: early three thousands, and he started in Ivink nineties six.

548
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: I think, okay, so yeah, and I mean it's it

549
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: has a huge legacy. For example, the most famous one

550
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: is eminem Uh came in second place a scribble Jam,

551
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: and I guess he handed off his debo or at

552
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: least the legend goes or some something like that. But

553
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: Scribbles it's it's a really Olympics is where he did,

554
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: I think, really really blow up um and and Scribble

555
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: Jam though, was a big, big moment with him versus Juice. Uh,

556
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: did you did you freeze? Did you do freestyle battle?

557
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: And so obviously if you were in so it was

558
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: freestyling on grind Time for the first couple of battles

559
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: with maybe some like premeditated stuff. I didn't write anything

560
00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: down because I thought, oh, that's cheating, and every still freestyling,

561
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: except for maybe the people who did raps that were

562
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: like more general and weren't personal. Um And when I

563
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,760
Speaker 1: found out that everyone was writing after my first battle

564
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:15,760
Speaker 1: that I lost in Grindtime, I was like, oh, whoops, Okay,

565
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lose another one. We're done with that.

566
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: We're described to the listeners. Right, there's there's two different

567
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: battle I guess is would would the word be scenes

568
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: or styles? It's both because they there's regional There was

569
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: definitely a regional difference in in regional emphasis on spontaneous

570
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 1: freestyling in the West Coast more so I'm not saying

571
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: it wasn't a president at all, and also in like

572
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: the Midwest, um, whereas in New York it would be

573
00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: more about like honestly having a zero personally living material,

574
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: but like relying largely of stuff. It's like because there

575
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 1: are the DVD battle scene, it was really big in

576
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 1: New York in the East Coast. But describe the difference

577
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 1: the differences, the differences like between freestyling on beat, so

578
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 1: spontaneous wraps about and against your opponent over a beat

579
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: that you both get to wrap over taking turns um

580
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: usually like thirty seconds to a minute per round um

581
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: and the other style at the time, which is prevailed

582
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,720
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways like these basically people wrapping

583
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: acapella for several minutes at a time, basically doing verses

584
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 1: like they could be like, uh, there there was a

585
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,439
Speaker 1: rap battle, but like you could view for the moment.

586
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: For a lot of cases, you could have used their

587
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,720
Speaker 1: verses against one person, interchange on a song, or against

588
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: anybody else they face. Um, And it's just sort of

589
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: a wrap contest, like how well someone can wrap versus

590
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: how well versus the freestyle one, which is a lot

591
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,240
Speaker 1: more about like how well can you dis your opponent

592
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: directly in a relevant way to them. So I've I've

593
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 1: always had this analogy that I've made with it that

594
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: I'm sure somebody who is as accomplished as you are

595
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: in the written battle scene is, but I want to

596
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: I want to share it with you anyway, just to

597
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: see what you think of it, Right, So I always

598
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: kind of looked at it as freestyle battling and the

599
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: pre written battling. It's like the difference between UFC and

600
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: w W E. Yes, when you watch a UFC match,

601
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: you honestly can see anything. It might be the greatest

602
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 1: fight you've ever seen, or somebody might get knocked out

603
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: in the first five seconds, or like anything can happen,

604
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 1: Like somebody might be nervous and mess out and get

605
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 1: knocked out and whereas with like a w W E match,

606
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: it's like it's all it's all choreographs so that you

607
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: the watcher are entertained. Note like everyone's gonna get to

608
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: do their moves. You're gonna you know, you're gonna get

609
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: to see everybody like perform and show out, and then

610
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: you know the like the winner is determined later. Absolutely,

611
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: And I think people like, yeah, I think wrestling fans

612
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: care less about like w W fans care less about

613
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: outcomes than performance. They care less like who won the

614
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: match versus who who did the coolest ship stuff? That's it,

615
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: that's what matters. And I feel like that, Yeah, it's

616
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 1: a good analogy obviously, Like there there are technically winners

617
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: and losers, and times they'll judge battles in written battles.

618
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 1: They used to judge them more. Um, But you know,

619
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: I I got over the whole non judge battle hang

620
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 1: up that I used to have once I did a

621
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: non judge battle, like, oh, no one cares, So did

622
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: you did you? Like? Stop? I mean I know you

623
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: you like I guess you didn't do battles for a

624
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: long time and then you came back and did a battle.

625
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 1: I did a battle not to like a year or

626
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: two ago. Yeah, And it wasn't a very auspicious return

627
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: because I think I just I was doing too much

628
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:34,280
Speaker 1: other stuff and like I was coming off of a divorce,

629
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: a difficult work year, and like transitioning to different medications,

630
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: like it was a it was a rough time, and

631
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: like it was like in a super healthy relationship. Um

632
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 1: so I ate ship as far as I'm concerned in

633
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: that return battle against disaster, and I have always owned

634
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 1: that there were some glimmers and flickers. I think they

635
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: would be better. But like I flew directly from like

636
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: a work evan to go to Oakland. I was like

637
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 1: nauseous the whole time because I had I was like

638
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: transitioning back from trinteleics to will beutran Um, and I

639
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 1: just was not ready, you know. And I was just

640
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: misallocating my time, both in terms of the prep that

641
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: I was doing and just the time between deciding how

642
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: much time I was been preparing versus not preparing, you know.

643
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: And I'd been off on Chew. I thought that I

644
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: was writing something that would fill up. I think if

645
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: I wrapped it at normal speed, my my return battle

646
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 1: versus would have built like maybe twenty minutes instead of like, um,

647
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: but I was like sort of mentally stuck trying to

648
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 1: remember all my stuff basically doing like like something that

649
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: was just like a speech at a certain point, and

650
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:06,240
Speaker 1: I hated it as it was happening. Um and killed

651
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: me to like be in the moment and feel that.

652
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: Like I it was fun and it did did really well,

653
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: except for the material that was unnecessarily problematic because he

654
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: would have won without it easily. Um So, I mean,

655
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: do you think you're gonna take another shot? There are

656
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: a couple of impediments to that, one of which is that,

657
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 1: I it's just so much time and attention and energy.

658
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 1: Um Like, I don't. I don't even know exactly what

659
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: the full story is behind why you left. Actually, I

660
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: was like there was a stigma that and there isn't now,

661
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: I don't think really like you can if a new

662
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: battle rapper can drop music, and granted, it'll be tougher

663
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: to get it out there without having some of the

664
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: music only platforms pushing you, um like, if you're not

665
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: on any blog, serves playlists or whatever, like, it will

666
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: be tough. You can't just do it via battle rap

667
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: unless just the algorithm blesses you. Yeah, or we have

668
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: like a publicist working with But then in two thousand

669
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: and ten, and the less I battled and the more

670
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 1: I distanced myself from it, the more music opportunities came

671
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 1: my way like a switch flipped. And it was not

672
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: fair like that, doesn't I think folks Scott took that

673
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: personally battle fans and battlers and that it was too

674
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: good for It's like, no, I just I had a

675
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: different priority. I went for that and it wasn't anyone's

676
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: fault that. That's how the market and the climate was then. Um.

677
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: And it's a lot more rewarding to do both like

678
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: monetarily and and terms of energy that you put into it.

679
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: It's a lot more rewarding to make a song that

680
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: you can perform over and over and over again, or

681
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: have people play over and over and over again in

682
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 1: a variety of settings, um, than it is to do

683
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 1: a battle. That's so much more writing that has one use. Yeah,

684
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: and I don't I could, you know. So it's a

685
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 1: lot of time, there's a lot of energy to put

686
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: into it, and I would I could do it. I

687
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: think I could do it. I could make up for

688
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: my performance the first time around. The Other issue is that,

689
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: like I think a lot of battle rap hers and

690
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: fans I think are mad at me because of like

691
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: a Twitter controversy like a year ago. Um elaborate. Yeah,

692
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: you know, because I think it's important to explore because

693
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,280
Speaker 1: there's a lot of misconceptions about it and like opportunistic

694
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: people who just don't like me or standing for anything

695
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:59,280
Speaker 1: and actually living up to it. Um who likes snats

696
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: jumped upon us, like a lot of rap floggers and

697
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 1: stuff like that, a rap floggers and stuff. Is this

698
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: something that would that that would be better prefaced by

699
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: us talking about some of your activism work. No, I

700
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: think it's fun. I mean, like just so people know,

701
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: like I just I've always been a leftist, but I

702
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 1: haven't always embodied those principles. And when it came to

703
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: my art, both battling in music, I'd have content that

704
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: was you know, misogynistic, homophobic, like racially insensitive, you know,

705
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: basically all stuff that like on a level of like

706
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 1: a stand up comedy thought was okay as a thing. Yeah,

707
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: And I was like buying into that because I thought

708
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: it's just a joke or it's just a line and

709
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: you know, I I wrapped with that, and I've spent

710
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: a decade reckoning with that and still reckon with it

711
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: publicly and privately and with anyone I meet who discovers

712
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: that I have wrapped in any of these settings. And

713
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: I could be doing that for rest of my life.

714
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: And that's the onus that one has when they do

715
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: something that has consequences like that, regardless of my intentions.

716
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: And you know that being said, there was back when

717
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: and then you know, I'll say this, I was. I

718
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: recognized where I aired on this totally, but there are

719
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: places where I did not, where I was miscast by

720
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,919
Speaker 1: a lot of opportunistic folks. UM. It's like right after

721
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: UH Kobe Bryant passed away UH in that tragic helicopter

722
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: accident and his daughter and I saw so a lot

723
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: of there are a lot of There are a lot

724
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: of folks, dear to me, who were UH survivors of

725
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: sexual assault. And at the time there was there were

726
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: folks who wanted to even talk about that. To mention

727
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:07,280
Speaker 1: of Kobe Bryant's life, UM, not necessarily, not not since

728
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 1: like perpetually condemn him, but to like be mindful of

729
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: how it might impact other people who are survivors of

730
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: sexual assault, and not to like relitigate it even but

731
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: just to like not erase it. Yeah, and especially given

732
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: the fact that he himself made efforts to reckon with

733
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: this and and which is rare, which is very rare

734
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: for someone of his prominence. Um. And I said, I

735
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: initially tweeted something the effect of, like, you know, people

736
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: are saying it's it's it's offensive to mention sexual assault,

737
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 1: So how offensive is sexual assault itself? You know, like

738
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: people were getting more offended about the mention of the

739
00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: thing than the thing itself being overlooked or being and

740
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,280
Speaker 1: like so like a couple of places where I sucked

741
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 1: up is like timing wise, Uh, you know, I didn't

742
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: like the day after it happened. And I think I

743
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:18,240
Speaker 1: was just very reactive and raw and feeling sad seeing

744
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 1: my friends of different gender racial backgrounds who had experienced

745
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 1: sexual assault. UM, feeling like diminished um. And there are

746
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: ways to not diminish them or that issue while still

747
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: recognizing the many uh you know, accomplishments and virtues and

748
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: and and Kobe Bryant morning him and I sort of

749
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: like got people's responses to me aside from just like

750
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: being a set of timing where also people trying to say,

751
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: like all this stuff never happened. You're like trying to

752
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: you know that they're like comparing what I was saying

753
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: to like him until and I was like, yo, I

754
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: don't I first like and people like, oh, you're trying

755
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 1: to be like you know he was you know, found

756
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: not guilty in courts, like the court system doesn't do anything.

757
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't believe in the court system. Like

758
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 1: I think people got a twisted they thought, like I thought,

759
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: we're saying the dude should have gone to jail, and

760
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 1: I don't believe in jail. I don't believe in police.

761
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: I don't believe in prisons. I don't think most they're

762
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:45,280
Speaker 1: held a lot of survivors of sexual assault don't believe

763
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 1: in that stuff or don't think that they'll find healing

764
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: and that stuff, largely because they don't even when it's

765
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: actually addressed by the by these systems. Um So, like

766
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: I was just I was talking about sort of like

767
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,720
Speaker 1: my whole comment an issue is just about like public

768
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: record and discourse and and and sort of talking about

769
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 1: an issue, and it got buried in like issues of

770
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: like insensitivity about the timing of the tweet, and then

771
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: like my defensiveness against people. Uh and and you know,

772
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 1: I think, you know, there are a lot of battle

773
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: rap folks who were like like fans, battle rap fans

774
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: will probably never listen to my music or anything and

775
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 1: probably never read anything. They probably you know, probably only

776
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,479
Speaker 1: started paying attention to me again because of my coming

777
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 1: back to battling. We're like just not in good faith

778
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: dealing with what I said or my attempt to address

779
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,720
Speaker 1: it at just trying to make it the worst possible.

780
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: So there's a YouTube video someone saying like soul concept

781
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 1: like some battle rap blogger and wrap the blog by

782
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,399
Speaker 1: other stuff too, like this is like soul con says

783
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: that morning Kobe is disrespectful to sexual salt picked. It

784
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: was like I literally never said but that was like

785
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,399
Speaker 1: the tent, Like I literally there's a tweet that says

786
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: I didn't say that you shouldn't mourn this man. I

787
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: did not say, Like there's nowhere I said that said

788
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: that whatsoever. Um hell, they were like even some like

789
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: sort of legitimate journalists who I know who were like

790
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: trying to like milk this for like clicks and likes

791
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: and it's it's embarrassing and you know what it's And

792
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: the funny thing at the end of the day is

793
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,399
Speaker 1: people like to pick and choose what they're offended by

794
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: or what they find to be outrageous. Um, you know,

795
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: because I never you know, and then finding ironically I

796
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 1: had a line in the battle about like when I

797
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: diss do Fox, I basically said that he would like that.

798
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: People say, look like Kobe, but who's actually the one

799
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:56,399
Speaker 1: who was getting a paraphrase assaulted in this just tear

800
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: you know, it was terrible then, but these people were

801
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 1: going nuts for that. These same folks probably were losing

802
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: their mind. And my biggest battle three million views, never

803
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 1: as anyone at that time, and that was years. That

804
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 1: was several years after the the you know that that

805
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: case and what what it was that was that Okay,

806
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: where are the where were the comments? Then I'm not

807
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: saying even that that like you can't change your mind

808
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: about things that I'm or change your mind about how

809
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 1: you react to things, or you know, I'm living proof

810
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: of that. And everyone should evolve and everyone should should

811
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: think about these things in an act involved a way.

812
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: But no one cared bad um, No one cared when

813
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: like Diz in the movie bodied even you know, it's

814
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:47,240
Speaker 1: like the battle rap movie post eight miles. It's interesting,

815
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: it's it's I mean, Joseph Cohn, the guy who made it,

816
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: is a real is a is a knob head. He

817
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 1: sucks but like based on is really shitty. Uh all

818
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: lives matter, wish attitude about everything that's him uh swollen recently.

819
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 1: But this has a lot and I'm not this is

820
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: not me being like to knock Diz, but just rather

821
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: like no one. There was no outcry when this movie

822
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 1: came out only a few years ago where he brought

823
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:18,839
Speaker 1: this up earnestly, not like with a wink, like oh,

824
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:20,959
Speaker 1: he didn't do it like that. He said a line

825
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: that has premised on the assumption that that you think

826
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: that this man is referred to did the sexual so

827
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,399
Speaker 1: you know, like so people pick and choose. I mean,

828
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 1: like Ron had a line about Eric, like calling big

829
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:38,320
Speaker 1: t like Eric Garner like mirror years like and and

830
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: that's again he can move past the eye, but he

831
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:47,760
Speaker 1: regrets it. I'm almost sure of it. But people really

832
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: just I think people wanted a reason to get me

833
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: out of here or whatever they want to do. A

834
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: battle rap. You know, Childish Gambino had a trade online. Ohn,

835
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: yeah it it's it's and I think he said I

836
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 1: would die for yeah, like that's and that's and and

837
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 1: I'm sure they're in his mind. Then he was like,

838
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,359
Speaker 1: oh yeah, that's really powerful. There's no there's no problem here.

839
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: Um but yeah, so like that happened, and I think

840
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: I probably you know, there was talk about me. I

841
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: feel like that might be one reason might not get

842
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 1: booked again by a lot of folks. And that's but

843
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: you think if they're not going to book me based

844
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: on that, that's fine. My Spotify numbers didn't go down

845
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 1: at all. My YouTube subscribers didn't go down. My my type,

846
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 1: you know, the music fans stayed as I always have,

847
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: even though I'm a turtle about releasing things. So that

848
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 1: whole controversy, I like dipped off Twitter for a couple

849
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 1: of months, just like let people be like. I just

850
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 1: I got off you know, of Twitter for a little

851
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: bit after that and Instagram just because I thought, let

852
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: people not have to see my face and get read

853
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: re aggravated. It wasn't about me, like because I mean,

854
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 1: how I do get some death threats, which sucked. But

855
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: like you know, I'm always legally armed, So like, I

856
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: don't really sweat it too much. I don't believe it

857
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: mysterious as to what that means exactly, but there's a

858
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 1: I think I think they're like, it just wasn't It

859
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 1: wasn't It felt like no one would get a chance

860
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: to get over it. And I mean that like, uh oh,

861
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: just get over me, but like to really genuinely like

862
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: not have to. People were upset about his death, I

863
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 1: don't need to. They don't need frustration to be compounded

864
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: with it. Um. So I was like, all right, I'm

865
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: I'll be out for a little bit. Um. So you

866
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:47,800
Speaker 1: you mentioned earlier, um that not at all time. You know,

867
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: you've always been a leftist, but you that hasn't always

868
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 1: been reflected in your art or how you So, how

869
00:53:55,760 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: do you find like recon eiling your leftist principles with

870
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 1: not only the art that you make, but just the

871
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 1: genre that you're involved in. I mean, just earlier you

872
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 1: know this is definitely a leftist podcast, but you know,

873
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: just earlier, me and you were kind of reminiscent DMX.

874
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. If you go through d

875
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 1: m X catalog you're gonna find a lot of ours

876
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 1: here and there that aren't, you know, especially in Yeah,

877
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,280
Speaker 1: You're gonna gonna be looked at as quote unquote problematic.

878
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 1: So like, how do you reconcile that? I think it's

879
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: it's for my just from my part, like my contributions. Um,

880
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: I just for the stuff I've already done that I

881
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: don't approve of. I just for the most part, I

882
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 1: just sort of like have a general overall disclaimer for

883
00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: it that you know, I regret a lot of it,

884
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: and if someone wants to talk about it and air

885
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 1: what they're feeling about it, I will always be receptive

886
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:16,879
Speaker 1: to that. As my responsibility anyone who is hurt by

887
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 1: directly or indirectly anything I've ever wrapped it is. It

888
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 1: is there for the criticizing, as I think any art is.

889
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: But like, as the artist, I encourage people how they

890
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 1: usually take me up on this, But like because I

891
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 1: think you can tell, like I'm earnest about it. But

892
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 1: if someone feels if someone feels like there's something I

893
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:43,720
Speaker 1: haven't addressed in my that catalog, whether songs or battles,

894
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 1: that is screwed up, then I'm fine. I'm fine addressing

895
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 1: that and not you know, like, oh, I'm sorry you

896
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 1: were offended way, but in a in a way that

897
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: hopefully affirms their experiences and their feelings and shows that

898
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: I sincerely learned from it and that it's it's it's

899
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 1: hopefully I wouldn't repeat such indignities. And there might be

900
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 1: stuff that I've I've dropped on my last project, you know,

901
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 1: this past year, that I'll regret in a little bit too.

902
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:27,919
Speaker 1: I don't think so, like I even like change. There's

903
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: some stuff I changed going in, Like I had one

904
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 1: line about like um, I said, like all right, like

905
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 1: would you stand up or just stare at your feet

906
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 1: embarrassed a something like embarrassed too scared to compete? And

907
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 1: its like before the lines, this is like like when

908
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: I first read this old not old verse, but I've

909
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: repurposed older verse from like a little while ago, not

910
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 1: like a decade ago. But I said like stare at

911
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: your feet or like remain in your seat like a paraplegic.

912
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 1: And it's sort of like the rhyme scheme sounded dope,

913
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 1: but like it basically was inadvertently kind of he was

914
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: ablest you know, like like likening arab apolegism and and

915
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: and and a disability to a like a lack of

916
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: courage basically in the context that one like lining standing

917
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 1: up as they you know, which I mean remain in

918
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 1: your seat still. Maybe like that's a stretch with the depot.

919
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 1: But the fact that I got outright had it, like

920
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: the word paraplegic in there, it was like, yeah, no,

921
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 1: I don't need it, and so like like what when

922
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 1: I had the chance to like redo this song for

923
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 1: this project, it was like, that's going to change. It's interesting,

924
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:57,479
Speaker 1: you know. I was I was talking to a Mortal

925
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 1: Technique a couple of weeks ago, and he saying that

926
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 1: he was on the show and he was saying that

927
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: on his next album in the middle passage whenever that

928
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 1: comes out, he said, he doesn't use the N word

929
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: at all, Like he's like that's taken. He's like that's

930
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: out of his vocabulary even in regular life too. So

931
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 1: that was you know, people, people change all the time. Yeah,

932
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 1: it's fair to admit, it's fair to I think it's

933
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: just if people are honest about it. That's what matters.

934
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 1: If you're honest and open to to to have like

935
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 1: a good faith talk about it and and grow from it.

936
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: That's that's what matters. If I don't think the point

937
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 1: is to like perpetually self flagellate and perpetually get like,

938
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 1: I think that we also need to have a society

939
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 1: where people can not just to be rewarded for their growth,

940
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 1: but where they aren't perperpetually you know, condemned for it,

941
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 1: you know. And unfortunately the Internet doesn't help with that.

942
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 1: And this isn't about like cancel culture. It's rather about

943
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: like the unproductivity of accountability culture. Sometimes because of the

944
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 1: fact that like pears cyclically, someone will like discover a

945
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: bad media moment for the first time from someone who's famous,

946
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 1: even though it's already been litigated before years ago, over

947
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 1: and over again, and we there has to be some

948
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 1: more raise or or sort of norms around that. It's

949
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 1: not can't be formalized because that sort of thing isn't

950
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 1: thing you can really formalize, but things need to sort

951
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 1: of promote the idea that if X person who did

952
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 1: why bad thing makes earnest amends that we don't forget

953
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 1: about everything. What's the point of amends If it's forgetting you,

954
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 1: You don't learn something from that. But people can feel

955
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 1: like they have the room to go on and we don't.

956
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 1: And the problem is it's funny that the people complain

957
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 1: most about like cancel culture and like usually conservatives who

958
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 1: helped build such and sustain a very punitive society, you know,

959
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 1: and the ones who are always like, if they didn't

960
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 1: create this punitive society, then they wouldn't have punitive judgmental

961
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 1: norms around everything, and that make them afraid. It's like

962
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: the whole ideas, like it's the irony of like if

963
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 1: Brett Kavanaugh hadn't been part of the world, then Brett

964
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 1: Kavanaugh built, he might have there might have been a

965
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 1: restorative justice space for everything that he did, you know,

966
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 1: but there isn't because of men like him. Yeah, why

967
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 1: you know, and that I think that that that the

968
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 1: same goes for like the anti PC culture folks, Yeah,

969
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 1: anti s JW tis Yeah, yeah, you know if they

970
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 1: they in other aspects of life, are very punitive, are

971
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 1: very you know, love to shut down stuff that they

972
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 1: don't like, so they're helping. I mean, that's like the

973
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 1: whole chief organizing principle of their ship is to shut

974
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 1: down stuff that they don't like. It it's a fascism shuffle,

975
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 1: is it's strictly just like what what is it that

976
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 1: they like, you know what I mean, It's like they

977
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 1: don't they don't even they literally don't even view it

978
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 1: that way. It's like they have a blind spot in

979
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 1: their mind that they can't even put that into a context.

980
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 1: How how they're like actually the biggest cancelers anybody in

981
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 1: the country, and they and it its the ultimate the

982
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 1: ultimate conclusion is like just like violent fascism, but like

983
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 1: one of the places they go is like you end

984
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 1: up with someone like Stephen Crowder who's like wandering around

985
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 1: a different planet fitnesses or crunch Fitness or wherever, uh,

986
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 1: pretending to be a trans person uh, and just being

987
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 1: obnoxious just for any gender uh. And and mean like

988
01:01:56,240 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 1: oh look they're just you know, like like these stunts

989
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 1: and because they don't actually have any positive vision of

990
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 1: what life could be and wow, it could be better.

991
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 1: Crowder reminds me like there was this about when I

992
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 1: was a kid, there was this comic book. It was

993
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 1: like a Superman story where like Superman landed in communist

994
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 1: Russia and Red instead, yeah, Red Sun, and he grew

995
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 1: up to be like Stephen Crowder is like if Jim

996
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 1: Carrey's shuttle that brought him to earth like landed in

997
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 1: Russia MBOs Yard and he absolutely, yeah, No, that's a great. Yeah,

998
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 1: it's it's it's weird because you have these folks who

999
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 1: just because they either didn't get or they rejected an

1000
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 1: intellectual cultural framework of like rational like modern thought thought. Yeah,

1001
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:56,439
Speaker 1: they they're stuck with this ship. They're trying to fit,

1002
01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 1: you know, a critique of modern ship into a very

1003
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 1: old fashioned, narrow minded and uncreative Hey, they can hold

1004
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 1: and they can't do it. They can't square it because

1005
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 1: it is not built for that. I mean, like you

1006
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 1: have people like you have, they're like anti postmodernism, even

1007
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 1: like people like which doesn't you can't, you can't compete critically.

1008
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 1: Then if you think things like that, there's nothing like

1009
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 1: hearing somebody who's obviously stupid talk say stuff like postmodernism. Yeah,

1010
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 1: you know, like like seeing something like neck Beard anti

1011
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 1: s JW YouTuber like cultural Marxist post model, like you

1012
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:51,440
Speaker 1: shut the funk up. And if if people haven't watched,

1013
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 1: I think the best um sort of video exploration of

1014
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 1: this issue is Natalie wins Uh ContraPoints video about Jordan

1015
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 1: Peterson recommended. It's like that. It's it really delves into

1016
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:16,120
Speaker 1: how it's a whole movement that is predicated on having

1017
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 1: basically not done the reading you really have to like,

1018
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 1: and that happened when when slavo Zek and Jordan Peterson debated,

1019
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 1: you could tell that, yeah, blood bath, it was terrible.

1020
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 1: It's like you, you know, these these right wingers, especially

1021
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:39,480
Speaker 1: like these YouTube proud and like the Internet era folks,

1022
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 1: they tend to be very uninformed and or just order

1023
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 1: wholly misinterpreted really like like the whole cannon that they

1024
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 1: think that they know they don't understand you, and it's

1025
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 1: it's but you know, to be fair, a lot of

1026
01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 1: them wouldn't think the way they do if they I

1027
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:05,440
Speaker 1: did understand it, that's the problem. And whereas there are

1028
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 1: other folks who do understand this stuff and they don't

1029
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 1: care and they don't try to have the veneer of like, no,

1030
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 1: my vision of society is better for everybody. It's I

1031
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 1: don't care if my vision of society is better for everybody.

1032
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 1: That's not the point of society to me or this

1033
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 1: point of life. That that type of conservative or or

1034
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 1: or right that's I think that's starting to be the

1035
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:30,760
Speaker 1: dominant form, like that they're coming back there, Yeah, because

1036
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 1: that was the thing. And I think that that even

1037
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 1: Trump folks try to life. They want to feel good

1038
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:41,520
Speaker 1: about themselves as people. I think everyone wants to, but

1039
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 1: like they like want to talk about how Trump like

1040
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 1: hell black people, for instance, like this is the lowest

1041
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 1: black unemployment ever. I think there's a conservative strain that's

1042
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 1: like who gives a ship? They don't care about that either,

1043
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:57,840
Speaker 1: and they are going to be more openly genicidal in

1044
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 1: their rhetoric. Rhetoric. Yeah, and also right now, I think

1045
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 1: like their their game is pretty much about like securing

1046
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 1: the bag first. Like I think they're trying, they're trying

1047
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 1: to be they're trying to be more inclusive as long

1048
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 1: as everybody's under the umbrella of fascism, you know what

1049
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:16,240
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So it's like, yeah, what are you doing?

1050
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 1: You kind of zones? You black? But you fascists all right?

1051
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:20,440
Speaker 1: You're cool? What are you doing? Milo? You're gay? But

1052
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:22,120
Speaker 1: are you fascists all right with us? You know what

1053
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I think they're at that stage now, and

1054
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 1: then if they were to get their way, then they

1055
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:30,680
Speaker 1: would worry about the particulars afterward. Yeah, then yeah, exactly.

1056
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 1: That that's that is the that's been the game, and

1057
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:37,440
Speaker 1: I think people will need to look at that's when

1058
01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 1: when you know, I caution friends of mine and would

1059
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 1: be like, oh, you know, like when gay marriage became legal,

1060
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, that's amazing that things are gone the

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01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 1: way are are to a brighter future, and like there

1062
01:06:52,480 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 1: are like active like LGBT ashists in Europe prominent, and

1063
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 1: that's and then fast forward, we got my low fastward,

1064
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:10,040
Speaker 1: you know, like it's not a we need to chill

1065
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 1: on the whole, like premature congratulations on a brighter tomorrow

1066
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 1: because we're not there yet. And it adapts like a

1067
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 1: capital can co opt anybody, fascism could co opt, and

1068
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 1: like anyone could be co opertive. No one's immune to that.

1069
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 1: So can you talk to us a little bit about

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01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 1: well not even a little bit, but like, can you

1071
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 1: talk to me talk to us about some of your

1072
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 1: activism that you do. Sure, I like, what's your what's

1073
01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 1: your what what's your flavor of active? Yeah? Yeah, So

1074
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 1: there's a couple of things. Um My, my nine to

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01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 1: five is like supporting advocacy for immigrant rights in New

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01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 1: York State and City and also a little bit of

1077
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:55,479
Speaker 1: the federal stuff. I'm I'm a I'm a happy cog

1078
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:58,760
Speaker 1: in the operation. Um, but you know, I also like

1079
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:04,000
Speaker 1: no my lane. I like as I, as a white man,

1080
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 1: would feel very weird taking like a front row role

1081
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:12,440
Speaker 1: or whatever like alter. You know, so happy to be

1082
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 1: a operations and logistics type of that's that's very happy too.

1083
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:21,280
Speaker 1: But then you know, and contribute my thoughts as needed. Um,

1084
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:25,040
Speaker 1: what brought you into that? Like? What was I was

1085
01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:29,439
Speaker 1: in another job that was not cool. It was like

1086
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:35,200
Speaker 1: just a desk thing that was not me. Um, and

1087
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:42,840
Speaker 1: I got laid off and one of them and someone

1088
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:47,599
Speaker 1: who I met in my activism with the Democratic Socialist

1089
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 1: in America, you know, recommended me for this job. And uh,

1090
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:57,400
Speaker 1: you know at d s A is I work with

1091
01:08:57,479 --> 01:09:01,760
Speaker 1: them a lot. I was uh member of the South

1092
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:06,000
Speaker 1: Brooklyn Organizing Committee of d s A for a couple

1093
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:11,479
Speaker 1: of years. I you know, have been uh you know,

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01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 1: part of its electoral field operations before, Like I trained

1095
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:21,720
Speaker 1: hundreds of camvusers before for different candidates. We've endorsed, and

1096
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:27,479
Speaker 1: I've done you know, like martial and public safety, you know,

1097
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:33,680
Speaker 1: work with their with the d s A marshaling like

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01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:37,800
Speaker 1: organization or you know something that I already call it. Uh.

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01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:41,639
Speaker 1: And so I do stuff like you know, getting I'm

1100
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 1: involved in like street protests for like uh, anti police,

1101
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:50,760
Speaker 1: anti racist stuff too. That's that's another another thing I do,

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01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 1: UM and trying to think through how to do that

1103
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:59,360
Speaker 1: in a productive, safe way safe for the protesters. I

1104
01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:01,960
Speaker 1: don't give a ship about safe for the cops or

1105
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 1: property that can whatever. So UM, I imagine you've been

1106
01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 1: really busy with that stuff this last year. Yeah, And

1107
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 1: initially I had to, like when it first really really

1108
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:18,320
Speaker 1: blew up in the early summer because of COVID, because

1109
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:20,040
Speaker 1: like I just didn't know what was up and what

1110
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:25,520
Speaker 1: I had. I liked my mom was very very vulnerable,

1111
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 1: uh through to her health, and like I just I

1112
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 1: guess I was still in that like ten block bubble,

1113
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:37,360
Speaker 1: very limited sort of life. I kind of waited a

1114
01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:41,840
Speaker 1: little bit, like several weeks after the first initial like

1115
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:44,479
Speaker 1: a bunch of protests, to be like, are people getting

1116
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:49,040
Speaker 1: COVID from this, because like it'd be one thing for

1117
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:51,880
Speaker 1: me to risk myself. I can't, you know. But like

1118
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:54,840
Speaker 1: then I was like helping my mama's stuff, you know,

1119
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:56,400
Speaker 1: like this is when we didn't even know whether like

1120
01:10:56,520 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 1: surface transmission wasn't an issue yet for COVID, and I,

1121
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 1: you know, I you know, got in and started going

1122
01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:15,800
Speaker 1: to actions and marches, and it coincided with pushes for

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01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:19,439
Speaker 1: the New York City Council to defund the police, which

1124
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 1: they did not, and they basically did a whole like

1125
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:25,559
Speaker 1: shell game that made it look like they took money

1126
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 1: away from the cops and they ultimately didn't. Um And

1127
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:33,600
Speaker 1: that's still ongoing, still ongoing fight, and that budget is

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01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:39,840
Speaker 1: coming back up for consideration in the streets for that. UM. Yeah,

1129
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 1: I've been active, Yeah, very active as a result. That's

1130
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:48,360
Speaker 1: what's up man. Well, yeah, it's been super fucking dove

1131
01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:50,880
Speaker 1: talking to you. Yeah, I appreciate you taking the time

1132
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:52,439
Speaker 1: to talk to you. Man. Where can people find you

1133
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:55,800
Speaker 1: at your music and just your work? So if they

1134
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 1: just go on if they google me, you know what, actually,

1135
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:02,360
Speaker 1: screw that, go of the platforms themselves. I think that's

1136
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:05,800
Speaker 1: the best way. Spell my name s O U l

1137
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:11,560
Speaker 1: k h A N. And whether that's in searching on Spotify,

1138
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 1: on title, Apple Music, or on Twitter, Instagram, I'm usually

1139
01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:20,920
Speaker 1: the only I'm usually soul con on everything at Facebook,

1140
01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:23,160
Speaker 1: like I though I'm not on Facebook as much, likely

1141
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 1: on my fan page, you know, like and there's I

1142
01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:29,360
Speaker 1: just dropped the project, I should say just it's almost

1143
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:33,639
Speaker 1: a year ago. But in July UM dropped an EP

1144
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:35,960
Speaker 1: called grow Up. It's really good. I think people should

1145
01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:41,320
Speaker 1: listen to it. I it's on soul Spasm. I think it. Unfortunately,

1146
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:44,640
Speaker 1: their timing was kind of set and I didn't know

1147
01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 1: how to change that. And if got overshadowed by everything happening,

1148
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:52,880
Speaker 1: and that's okay. It would be weird to complain about that. UM.

1149
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:57,400
Speaker 1: But if if they see like people are like, oh

1150
01:12:57,479 --> 01:12:59,360
Speaker 1: I like soul comm but I didn't realize release anything,

1151
01:12:59,479 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 1: there's probably a reason because the other more important stuff

1152
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:06,439
Speaker 1: was going on. It still goes on, UM. If you know,

1153
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:11,519
Speaker 1: I'm hopefully going to release another thing by the summer,

1154
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:17,599
Speaker 1: another EP, and we'll see from there and hopefully people

1155
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:20,680
Speaker 1: like that. And I'll be doing more videos of me

1156
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:26,080
Speaker 1: rapping just in my home probably and it should be

1157
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:30,840
Speaker 1: cool and I hope people enjoy the music. If they

1158
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:33,360
Speaker 1: ever see me promoting something that they can get involved

1159
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:36,040
Speaker 1: in politically, I encourage them too. And if people have

1160
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:40,360
Speaker 1: questions about how to get more involved in many types

1161
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:45,000
Speaker 1: of activism. I'm happy to point them in the right

1162
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:48,320
Speaker 1: direction if I'm not the right person to get them involved.

1163
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:54,120
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, my My my main priority right now

1164
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:57,679
Speaker 1: is doing whatever I can while being a healthy person.

1165
01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:07,680
Speaker 1: Two further better world. That's what's so bad? Yes, sir,

1166
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:12,120
Speaker 1: that was Battle Rapper extraordinare so kind. I was really

1167
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:14,160
Speaker 1: looking forward to that interview. I'm really glad I got

1168
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:16,120
Speaker 1: a chance to finally do that. He is. That's it's

1169
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:20,439
Speaker 1: It's funny. I've been watching his uh clips on YouTube

1170
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 1: for the longest time. And then I was just by

1171
01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:26,400
Speaker 1: chance doing a show in Brooklyn and he was in

1172
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:28,519
Speaker 1: the crowd and I saw him and he was just

1173
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:31,040
Speaker 1: there like super incognito, and I was like, yeah, what

1174
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:33,599
Speaker 1: the funk? I know who you is? Yeah I can't

1175
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:40,160
Speaker 1: act like yeah, okay, but um yeah, y'all make sure

1176
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:42,559
Speaker 1: y'all check out some of his stuff. I'm not only

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01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:45,679
Speaker 1: you know the things that he's into politically, but y'all

1178
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:48,800
Speaker 1: also check out some of his music and some of

1179
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:52,559
Speaker 1: his battles online. But let's get into this music discussion.

1180
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 1: We're gonna be taking it back talking about some classic

1181
01:14:57,439 --> 01:15:00,400
Speaker 1: classic Battle tracks just over the year, or is the

1182
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:05,360
Speaker 1: art of battling on wax is a completely different animal,

1183
01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:08,920
Speaker 1: you know, in itself. You you've got the battling on stage,

1184
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:11,760
Speaker 1: but then you have another art form in itself, which

1185
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:14,880
Speaker 1: is when two people have a problem with each other

1186
01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:18,240
Speaker 1: and they write raps about it and record whole songs

1187
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:24,439
Speaker 1: that live on forever and ever. So up first, we're

1188
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:28,439
Speaker 1: gonna be going back to probably what is considered you know,

1189
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:31,679
Speaker 1: the most not the first battle, but like the most

1190
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:36,240
Speaker 1: impactful battle. Actually, I think this is my many considered

1191
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:39,600
Speaker 1: the first rap battle like really like the like the

1192
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:44,599
Speaker 1: first rap Like nobody, nobody somewhere did this before this happened.

1193
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:47,640
Speaker 1: This was like the first like add a show like

1194
01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:49,640
Speaker 1: in the in the in the in the spirit of

1195
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:54,040
Speaker 1: like eight Mile, like ed a venue to rappers, like

1196
01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:57,280
Speaker 1: had a battle, Okay, so that yeah, this is like

1197
01:15:57,360 --> 01:16:01,840
Speaker 1: the Harlem World Christmas celebration. In the severer of one,

1198
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 1: Cool Moody went up against Busy Be and I guess,

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01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:09,599
Speaker 1: you know, at least the most celebrated but by many

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01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:14,920
Speaker 1: considered like the the quintessential first rapattle. They used to

1201
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:17,919
Speaker 1: be that like mainly like party rockers would win battles,

1202
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:20,920
Speaker 1: and you know, as long as you get the crowd hype,

1203
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:22,920
Speaker 1: the person who gets the crowd the hype, this is

1204
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:26,800
Speaker 1: the one who wins. But this is like, this is

1205
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:29,240
Speaker 1: that instance where you know, Kumo d got on stage

1206
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:33,519
Speaker 1: and really just out wrapped Busy Be and showed that

1207
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:38,719
Speaker 1: like lyricism was like a whole new gear taken, taking

1208
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:40,800
Speaker 1: this battle rap stuff into So let's check a lout

1209
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:43,200
Speaker 1: a little, right, because I think I think like at

1210
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:45,400
Speaker 1: the inception of hip hop, the m C was sort

1211
01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:48,040
Speaker 1: of like a hype man for the DJ and that

1212
01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:50,840
Speaker 1: like it was about just adding an extra layer of

1213
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:53,519
Speaker 1: cadence and like getting the crowd hyped up, et cetera.

1214
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 1: This was like, nah, actually you can take you can

1215
01:16:56,040 --> 01:17:00,840
Speaker 1: take em C into a whole different level where like

1216
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:07,800
Speaker 1: yeah you'll see you'll see Yeah, everybody in cempo clubs,

1217
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:11,040
Speaker 1: the con you can win, they're all fed ut come in,

1218
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:16,679
Speaker 1: but you know you lose. You pick up wanted to shoot.

1219
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:19,720
Speaker 1: I got fat new because they they're gonna hear some

1220
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:24,840
Speaker 1: movies like you're taking the pub, you're packing. Yeah, I

1221
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 1: mean it's like nuts that Busy Bee was like up

1222
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:32,479
Speaker 1: there hyping the crowd and then called out Coolmodi who

1223
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:34,479
Speaker 1: was in the venue, and Cool Moody was like, not

1224
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:37,960
Speaker 1: funk that, and it's like went on stage and just

1225
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:41,760
Speaker 1: three styled at Busy be like Helena, and it was

1226
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:46,720
Speaker 1: all hits, all hits, like like everything that Kubod was,

1227
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:50,240
Speaker 1: he wasn't wasting any motion. It was just all disses.

1228
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:55,040
Speaker 1: Every line was a diss but he he eviscerated him

1229
01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:58,200
Speaker 1: in that in turn, you know, grew the legend of

1230
01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:01,200
Speaker 1: Kubo D, who went on to have of various other

1231
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:05,040
Speaker 1: classic battles you know down the lines, including one famous

1232
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:08,639
Speaker 1: one with l O cou Ja. Yeah, let's hop onto

1233
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 1: the next one. We got uh between Boogie Down Productions

1234
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:17,760
Speaker 1: just KRS one and Scott l. Rock versus the Jewice Crew. Um,

1235
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:20,479
Speaker 1: it was like a misunderstanding that the Juice Crew said

1236
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:24,080
Speaker 1: that hip hop started in Queens when BBD came out.

1237
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:28,200
Speaker 1: So they came up with South Bronx, Um, you know,

1238
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:31,040
Speaker 1: a song about where you know the true quote unquot

1239
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 1: true birthplaces of hip hop and then Jewice Crew responded

1240
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:36,559
Speaker 1: with kill that Noise and then b b D came

1241
01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:42,800
Speaker 1: back where the bride is over Yes, scathing response, let's

1242
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:46,880
Speaker 1: check that out to help them, Nickio making the Brooklyn

1243
01:18:46,960 --> 01:19:00,280
Speaker 1: Keepslo taking the bronkeeps in the Queen's keeps Fake come

1244
01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:05,840
Speaker 1: up to it. And so I feel like this was

1245
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:08,320
Speaker 1: kind of the beginning of a trend that we see

1246
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:12,880
Speaker 1: nowadays where rappers who have beefull trade tracks and kind

1247
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:14,920
Speaker 1: of go back and forth, like as we've moved from

1248
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:17,439
Speaker 1: like an analog age into a more digital one where

1249
01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:18,800
Speaker 1: you might not be in the same venue on the

1250
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 1: same night and calling each other out, but you might

1251
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:23,840
Speaker 1: have soundclouds, you might have Twitter, and you might talking

1252
01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:28,040
Speaker 1: shit at each other all these virtual platforms like you

1253
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:30,920
Speaker 1: you go back and forth with like SoundCloud tracks about

1254
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:32,920
Speaker 1: like you know, fuck you, I heard You've got a

1255
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 1: secret child. Like Also, this adds like a new personal

1256
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:41,439
Speaker 1: layer onto it too, because it's like what was once

1257
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:45,000
Speaker 1: just like a competition that happens in the moment and

1258
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:47,479
Speaker 1: then it's over. Now you're adding in the layer that

1259
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:51,320
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, these dishes are going to exist forever.

1260
01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:53,920
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter that it doesn't matter now that it's

1261
01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:58,280
Speaker 1: like thirty years later. And these guys were probably you know,

1262
01:19:58,840 --> 01:20:01,320
Speaker 1: a lot of them involved to probably like squash be

1263
01:20:01,479 --> 01:20:03,600
Speaker 1: for moved on or in different phases of life. But

1264
01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:05,800
Speaker 1: you have, like this insult that you said about this

1265
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:09,200
Speaker 1: other person that lives on forever, it's always gonna be there.

1266
01:20:09,439 --> 01:20:11,479
Speaker 1: And not only that, but it's too it's to slam

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Speaker 1: in music people people are gonna listen to for other forever.

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Speaker 1: So I've I've only had one distract made about me once,

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01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:22,920
Speaker 1: but it got the guys who did it took it

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Speaker 1: down after I made my responseship. It was like it

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01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:28,439
Speaker 1: was like it was my first you know, I was

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01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:30,720
Speaker 1: looking forward to, like going back and forth. I was like,

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01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:33,400
Speaker 1: oh man, how how y'all gonna stop after this? The

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01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:37,000
Speaker 1: first one I was just gonna started. But that brings us,

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01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:40,800
Speaker 1: That brings us to the last track that we got,

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01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:44,200
Speaker 1: which I mean, in my opinion, you know, I've in

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01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:47,519
Speaker 1: preparation for this and just for other things, I must

1278
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:51,759
Speaker 1: have listened to like sixty or seventy different battle tracks,

1279
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:55,000
Speaker 1: obscure stuff that none of y'all even heard of, because

1280
01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:57,560
Speaker 1: you didn't even know such and such were beefing and

1281
01:20:57,640 --> 01:21:00,360
Speaker 1: stuff like that. But I have to say, after listening

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01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:03,040
Speaker 1: to all those battle tracks, I think that this next

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01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:08,080
Speaker 1: joint is probably the best recorded battle track in hip

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01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:12,479
Speaker 1: hop's history. In my opinion, this is Cannabis with second

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01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:16,040
Speaker 1: round knockout. Let's check this out. And like a truck

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01:21:16,120 --> 01:21:18,560
Speaker 1: free role model, you discussed me. I know, bitches to

1287
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:21,720
Speaker 1: see you smoke weed recently. You walk around showing off

1288
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:24,200
Speaker 1: your body because the sales postable avoid the fact that

1289
01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:26,559
Speaker 1: you ain't got scales mad at me because I kicked

1290
01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:28,680
Speaker 1: that ship real nick a spell when I did not

1291
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:32,960
Speaker 1: be sending your fans with high hells Kumo feed to change. Yeah,

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01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:34,560
Speaker 1: and so here we see a little bit of that

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01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:38,479
Speaker 1: like discursive hierarchy being created, like when he's talking about like,

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01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:41,960
Speaker 1: um like most of your fans, and most of your

1295
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:45,360
Speaker 1: fans were like oh applying that like oh you're more

1296
01:21:45,479 --> 01:21:49,560
Speaker 1: feminine because you're a fan base is feminine reinforcing, you know.

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01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:52,320
Speaker 1: Let me give a little backstory to this beef. So

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01:21:52,479 --> 01:21:57,360
Speaker 1: this is uh. This was the Cannabis uh response in

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01:21:57,439 --> 01:22:00,880
Speaker 1: a battle between him and Legendary for L. L cool

1300
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:07,560
Speaker 1: J and I can't believe that I'm old enough. You

1301
01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:09,960
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, but it's it's crazy. So they

1302
01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:13,439
Speaker 1: did a music video shoot and Cannabis looked up to L.

1303
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:18,120
Speaker 1: COUJ like you know, like a god and ship and

1304
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:22,000
Speaker 1: this Cannabis was a new rapper and he was doing

1305
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:26,000
Speaker 1: this song with a method man, Red Man, DMX and

1306
01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:28,800
Speaker 1: l Couj. Right, so for Cannabis is like, oh snap

1307
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:31,680
Speaker 1: pho on the song with these guys, it's crazy, And um,

1308
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:35,240
Speaker 1: l Coj has a famous microphone tattoo on his arm,

1309
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:38,640
Speaker 1: so I guess something happened in Cannabis like made a

1310
01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:41,160
Speaker 1: comment about like, oh, I want like a microphone tattoo

1311
01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:44,080
Speaker 1: just like that. So they filmed the video and then

1312
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:48,920
Speaker 1: l rewrote his verse and mentioned that conversation like you

1313
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:52,120
Speaker 1: can't grab this mic on my arm. So you know,

1314
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:54,439
Speaker 1: it was kind of like a disk and everybody knew

1315
01:22:54,439 --> 01:22:56,559
Speaker 1: it was a disc to Cannabis because Cannabis and then

1316
01:22:56,760 --> 01:22:59,000
Speaker 1: you know, went and got a microphone tattooed on his arm,

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01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:01,280
Speaker 1: and then that song came about. So Cannabis made this

1318
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:03,559
Speaker 1: is like the response and started like a whole thing

1319
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:06,080
Speaker 1: between them, which you could make a whole documentary and

1320
01:23:06,160 --> 01:23:10,080
Speaker 1: a podcast about the battle between those two dudes in particular.

1321
01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:13,880
Speaker 1: But oh man, where where can I start? I mean,

1322
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:19,760
Speaker 1: it's definitely has a cringe moments, you know, it's and

1323
01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:26,639
Speaker 1: obviously the sensibilities of it or definitely out of step today,

1324
01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:30,439
Speaker 1: but from just like a technical aspect of a battle

1325
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:36,320
Speaker 1: rap song. It's again what Kumo'd did in his freestyle

1326
01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:38,720
Speaker 1: back in the eighties. I think what Cannabis does with

1327
01:23:38,840 --> 01:23:43,200
Speaker 1: this is like he creates something where every line is

1328
01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:46,439
Speaker 1: about l O COO J. You know. And for me

1329
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:49,040
Speaker 1: what made it refreshing at the time is that it

1330
01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:53,439
Speaker 1: was something that was solely based in rap and in music.

1331
01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:55,960
Speaker 1: This is coming off of the heels of Tupac and

1332
01:23:56,040 --> 01:24:00,519
Speaker 1: Big You both getting killed because of some street ship

1333
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:03,400
Speaker 1: that you know what I mean, that the media kind

1334
01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:09,240
Speaker 1: of manipulated into being being involved with music when it

1335
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:13,120
Speaker 1: really wasn't. So for me, you know, it was like

1336
01:24:13,479 --> 01:24:16,040
Speaker 1: being young when the song came out and seeing that

1337
01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:19,439
Speaker 1: it was like, no, this was a beef between two

1338
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:24,240
Speaker 1: rappers about how well they rapped over some rap ship,

1339
01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:27,720
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, and and and you know,

1340
01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:31,720
Speaker 1: and like like everything that they said about each other

1341
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:34,840
Speaker 1: was based in that that field of like, yo, I'm

1342
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:37,120
Speaker 1: a better rapper than you. Even like even even the

1343
01:24:37,240 --> 01:24:43,200
Speaker 1: line that that um, the line of your fans were

1344
01:24:43,280 --> 01:24:47,000
Speaker 1: high heels is more in reference, you know, just at

1345
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:49,200
Speaker 1: the time was more in reference to like, yo, you're

1346
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:52,320
Speaker 1: not even rapping for people who like listening to rap,

1347
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:55,040
Speaker 1: because that was the stereotype back then, is that girls

1348
01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:56,760
Speaker 1: want to see L COJ when a shirt off and

1349
01:24:56,840 --> 01:25:01,360
Speaker 1: YadA YadA, YadA dada. So but I mean, it's it's

1350
01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:03,840
Speaker 1: it's a class Just just even thinking about that makes

1351
01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:08,240
Speaker 1: me smiles, Like I wish that when rappers in the

1352
01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:10,920
Speaker 1: two thousand's have beef with each other and they're making

1353
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:14,479
Speaker 1: songs that it's like a battle of wits and people like,

1354
01:25:14,600 --> 01:25:17,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like exaggerating ability and stuff

1355
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:20,679
Speaker 1: like that, and not like yo, I'll spray your grandmother

1356
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:24,760
Speaker 1: with the drum, you know what I mean, Like I'll

1357
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:27,040
Speaker 1: pissed the whip you with the smack you with the tool.

1358
01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:32,519
Speaker 1: You know. It's like, yeah, maybe I'm just nah. I mean,

1359
01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:36,400
Speaker 1: I've been talking about a lot of these shootings here

1360
01:25:36,439 --> 01:25:38,680
Speaker 1: in Athens in recent episodes, and I was talking to

1361
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:40,599
Speaker 1: the father of one of these kids that got killed.

1362
01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:44,519
Speaker 1: Apparently people was like jealous that he was blowing up musically,

1363
01:25:45,400 --> 01:25:48,320
Speaker 1: and people like and like a bunch of people conspired

1364
01:25:48,360 --> 01:25:51,800
Speaker 1: to like take this twenty year old child's life. So like, yeah,

1365
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:54,080
Speaker 1: it goes like, Yo, I'm gonna spread your car up

1366
01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:55,920
Speaker 1: and then let people to people a literal literally go

1367
01:25:56,040 --> 01:26:00,760
Speaker 1: spread your car up. Yeah, I mean yeah, Hey, if

1368
01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:03,880
Speaker 1: if it's like the words are power, you know what

1369
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:05,800
Speaker 1: I'm saying, It's like we we all have the right

1370
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:08,960
Speaker 1: to say what we want. But it's like ship can manifest,

1371
01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:13,280
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, So you to that extent,

1372
01:26:13,960 --> 01:26:15,920
Speaker 1: it's like you gotta be mindful of things that you

1373
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:18,639
Speaker 1: put out there in the world, you know. But that's

1374
01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:23,360
Speaker 1: it for us today. We are going to bounce, but

1375
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:25,560
Speaker 1: you know we're gonna be back next week with some

1376
01:26:25,720 --> 01:26:35,600
Speaker 1: dope ship. Hey, Joel, you drop a beat reparations waiting

1377
01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:39,800
Speaker 1: the refaration? Yeah yeah, Yo, Who the hell ill of

1378
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:42,320
Speaker 1: the knife? Riddle me that? Do you all know where

1379
01:26:42,360 --> 01:26:45,200
Speaker 1: I'm lyrically? Yet I'm lyrically at a level levitating you

1380
01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:48,000
Speaker 1: chumps because I'm sitting in the woods meditating with monks.

1381
01:26:48,120 --> 01:26:50,280
Speaker 1: Then I'm breaking a blunt and I'm thinking a skunk

1382
01:26:50,320 --> 01:26:52,640
Speaker 1: because i gotta smoke like every day to month. I

1383
01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:55,360
Speaker 1: want battle's first place, not a favorite stunt. Should I

1384
01:26:55,439 --> 01:26:58,160
Speaker 1: make a favorite rapap staying a slump, I'll rework it

1385
01:26:58,320 --> 01:27:01,360
Speaker 1: until let's see perfect. I did freestyle battles, No read

1386
01:27:01,400 --> 01:27:06,439
Speaker 1: her ship. I did freestyle battles, don't read her ship.

1387
01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:09,800
Speaker 1: I'm on stage to be Batchel, thinking to myself to

1388
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:12,320
Speaker 1: look how peek got gap teeth, to watch taxis more

1389
01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:14,760
Speaker 1: the fat keys, the class geek a better slash beets.

1390
01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:16,880
Speaker 1: I'll be going for his family like, hey, ty, your

1391
01:27:16,920 --> 01:27:18,960
Speaker 1: mama got a supper walking last week? Or maybe I

1392
01:27:19,080 --> 01:27:21,719
Speaker 1: was passing the gases trashy but to look a little closer,

1393
01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:23,680
Speaker 1: but the fragrance were so nasty I had to hal

1394
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:26,439
Speaker 1: a taxi to a different galaxy. Now the crops clapping

1395
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:28,960
Speaker 1: and gas thing, I'm beating. That's Battley mother for a

1396
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:31,280
Speaker 1: little stad We we can tearing each other down for

1397
01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:33,720
Speaker 1: props and freads, specially when he's in fact on my

1398
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:40,479
Speaker 1: mom's dead. I'm Franka. I'll dope knife and we are waiting,

1399
01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:46,599
Speaker 1: and your mama sucks dix in hell. I hate everything

1400
01:27:46,680 --> 01:27:49,839
Speaker 1: about you, hate the way you look. Hey hey, hey,

1401
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:53,120
Speaker 1: hey hey hey, but for real now we'll see you

1402
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:56,720
Speaker 1: next week. Listen to Waiting on reparations. Something I heard

1403
01:27:56,800 --> 01:27:59,960
Speaker 1: radio app, Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcast

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Speaker 1: A sk