Speaker 1: I am so excited about this next guest for the show.
Speaker 1: I know my mom is excited as well. She's a
Speaker 1: huge fan. It's Dr Ben Carson. There are so many
Speaker 1: things I want to speak with him about. I mean,
Speaker 1: the man is just remarkable. He grew up in poverty
Speaker 1: in Detroit, Michigan, and then went on to just accomplish
Speaker 1: tremendous success. I mean, the success that no one achieves, right,
Speaker 1: just trement. I mean. He became the director of pediatric
Speaker 1: Neurosurgery at John Hopkins at thirty three, the youngest to
Speaker 1: head a major division in the hospital's history. In seven
Speaker 1: he led a seventy member team that performed the first
Speaker 1: successful surgery to separate conjoined twins connected at the back
Speaker 1: of the head. And because of his work, he's received
Speaker 1: numerous honors for his neurosurgery work. He's been named the
Speaker 1: nation's you know, one of the nation's most foremost physicians
Speaker 1: and scientists. In his past, I mean, the Library of
Speaker 1: Congress is named him, you know, living legend. He's received
Speaker 1: a Presidential Medal of Freedom. He's written best selling books.
Speaker 1: He went on to run for president in sixteen and
Speaker 1: then serve as Trump's secretary of Department of Housing and
Speaker 1: Urban Development. I mean, the guy has just accomplished a
Speaker 1: remarkable amount of achievements, and so I just want to
Speaker 1: get his take on why him right? What did he
Speaker 1: do differently? How how is he able to to get
Speaker 1: out of Detroit and become this remarkable success not just
Speaker 1: from someone who came from poverty, but just a success period,
Speaker 1: you know what, And what does he think of today's
Speaker 1: the state of the country. You know, what can we
Speaker 1: do as a nation to move forward, to to be better,
Speaker 1: to build a stronger country. And I want to get
Speaker 1: his take on school choice. I know education has played
Speaker 1: a huge role in his life. He talks about how
Speaker 1: his mom really instilled that value in him, that she
Speaker 1: really encouraged him to read books, to go to the library.
Speaker 1: It was, you know, a prerequisite almost in their house
Speaker 1: with his mom, and she really valued education and for
Speaker 1: him because she saw it as an opportunity for upward mobility.
Speaker 1: You know. So what would something like even school choice
Speaker 1: in the country do for so many young people that
Speaker 1: you know, maybe face additional challenges because of the zip
Speaker 1: code that they were born into. So we're going to
Speaker 1: talk about that. He's also been married to his wife
Speaker 1: for almost fifty years. What's the importance of marriage? You know.
Speaker 1: He's also previously talked about how God really changed his life,
Speaker 1: how he grew up really angry and violent, and his
Speaker 1: religion and his walk with God was life changing for
Speaker 1: him that it allowed him to become the man that
Speaker 1: he is today. So we're gonna talk about all of
Speaker 1: this and also get into some of the political stuff
Speaker 1: like the Joe Biden administration and a lot of different
Speaker 1: things like that. So I think you're really gonna like
Speaker 1: this one. Dr Ben Carson just a fascinating and extraordinarily
Speaker 1: accomplished man. So I really hope you love this interview
Speaker 1: with Dr Ben car said. Oh, and his latest book
Speaker 1: is Created Equal and it is out just came out,
Speaker 1: I believe in May, so I wanted to plug that
Speaker 1: for him as well. But I hope you love this
Speaker 1: interview with Dr Ben Carson. Dr Ben Carson, it is
Speaker 1: such an honor to have you on the show. I
Speaker 1: was telling you, my mom is such a fan. I
Speaker 1: told her I was interviewing you, and she was like,
Speaker 1: what was so excited? So make sure you tell I said, Hi,
Speaker 1: You've just had such a remarkable life, such a remarkable career.
Speaker 1: You know, you grew up in Detroit, Michigan, in poverty,
Speaker 1: and why do you think you were able to get
Speaker 1: out and turn your life? And is such a success
Speaker 1: story when so many we're not well. I always say
Speaker 1: if everybody had my mother, we wouldn't have any problems.
Speaker 1: You know, she had less than a third grade education,
Speaker 1: but she was really committed two idea of getting an education.
Speaker 1: And when I was a terrible student, she was great
Speaker 1: distress and she finally figured out what to do. She said,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a domestic I'm clearing all these wealthy
Speaker 1: people's homes. I'm gonna a spy on them and see
Speaker 1: what they're doing what makes them successful? And you know,
Speaker 1: she concluded that it was reading books and not watching
Speaker 1: a lot of TV. And she came home and imposed
Speaker 1: that on me and my brother and we were not happy,
Speaker 1: but we had to do it. And boy did that
Speaker 1: have a revolution very effect on me as a person
Speaker 1: as I started reading about all kinds of people of accomplishment,
Speaker 1: and I began to understand that the person who has
Speaker 1: the most to do it what happens to you is you,
Speaker 1: not someone else. And that is still the case today.
Speaker 1: You know. You take, for instance, I talked in my
Speaker 1: newest book, Created Equal, about the wealth gap that so
Speaker 1: many people talk about in this country side to attend
Speaker 1: that explex the white and it does exist, there's no
Speaker 1: question about that. But they say Ghanaians and Nigerians they're
Speaker 1: black and there's no wealthcap. So what is it about
Speaker 1: them that's different. It's not the color of this again,
Speaker 1: it's that if you go to one of those families
Speaker 1: and you look, you'll see that a Bansor's degree is
Speaker 1: the baseline. They put such a premium education and a
Speaker 1: big premium on family. And interestingly enough, if you take
Speaker 1: traditional Black American families who have those same values, there's
Speaker 1: not much as any wealthcap there either. So maybe we're
Speaker 1: looking at the wrong things when we're looking to blame
Speaker 1: everything on racism. And that's not to say that there
Speaker 1: isn't some racism. But now, as as my mother used
Speaker 1: to say, if you go into an auditorium full of
Speaker 1: racists figuring white people, you don't have a problem. They
Speaker 1: have a problem because they're all going to cringe and
Speaker 1: wonder if you're going to sit next to them. You
Speaker 1: can sit any where you want, and you know, basically
Speaker 1: carrying that philosophy has allowed both me and my brother
Speaker 1: did very well. And you talked about the importance of
Speaker 1: your mother. I mean, I was sort of a handful
Speaker 1: growing up. I don't know where I would be without
Speaker 1: my parents just continuously putting me back in the right
Speaker 1: direction in life. Why do you think as a society
Speaker 1: we devalue the importance of family, Well, you know, family structure.
Speaker 1: Even the Marxist who wrote about America years ago state
Speaker 1: that one of the really strong pillars of America, why
Speaker 1: it would be so hard to bring it down, was
Speaker 1: the family structure, because that's where you get your values from,
Speaker 1: that's where you get your identity from. And when that
Speaker 1: begins to break down, you don't have an anchor, and
Speaker 1: you become very easy to manipulate. And that's why so
Speaker 1: many of our people today, particularly a lot of our
Speaker 1: young people, just like blowing like leaves in the wind,
Speaker 1: whichever way the wind is blowing, that's the way they're going,
Speaker 1: and they don't have those strong values. You know, that's
Speaker 1: one of the reasons we created American Cornerstone Institute. Look
Speaker 1: at those cornerstone principles that made America great. We didn't
Speaker 1: get to be great by accident. It was our faith, liberty, community,
Speaker 1: and I respect for life. Those are key elements. And
Speaker 1: as we got farther away from them and other things
Speaker 1: began to infiltrate, then we began to spiral downward. But
Speaker 1: I don't think it's inexorable. I don't think that it's
Speaker 1: too late to change it. And that's why we're out
Speaker 1: there preaching all the time. What was growing up in Detroit? Like,
Speaker 1: it was interesting? Um, there were there was, you know,
Speaker 1: significant areas that were nice areas quite frankly um where
Speaker 1: there were black people who lived. But there were also
Speaker 1: some pretty horrible slummy areas. But nothing they're compared to
Speaker 1: what I witnessed when we got to Boston because my
Speaker 1: parents got divorced after my mother discovered her husband was biggness,
Speaker 1: and we didn't have a home for a while, but
Speaker 1: some relatives in Boston took us in and it was
Speaker 1: what you see on television in the tenement, horrible multi
Speaker 1: family dwellings were boarded up, windows, endorsed, sirens and gangs,
Speaker 1: wineos murders. Both of my favorite older cousins were killed.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was a horrendous place, and yet you
Speaker 1: could still find good people, you could find good things,
Speaker 1: You could find libraries, you could find a place where
Speaker 1: you could read. So even though it wasn't the ideal environment, uh,
Speaker 1: it was something that you could make something out of. Now,
Speaker 1: if you determine that you're a victim and then everything
Speaker 1: is stacked against you, you're likely to react in a
Speaker 1: very different way. Instead of looking for opportunities. You're going
Speaker 1: to have a tendency to be complaining and groaning about things.
Speaker 1: And let's just not to say that you should not
Speaker 1: be unhappy when things are not going well, but you're
Speaker 1: not going to solve that by just groaning and complaining
Speaker 1: about it. You're going to solve that by making yourself
Speaker 1: valuable and then utilizing that position of value to improve
Speaker 1: the situation. And I read that when you were a
Speaker 1: fourteen I know you've talked about this before. You almost
Speaker 1: took the life of another boy that the knife hit
Speaker 1: the teenager's belt buckle and snapped. Afterwards, you prayed and
Speaker 1: asked for God's help. How did God change your life?
Speaker 1: Oh tremendously. You know. I had a horrendous temper and
Speaker 1: when I would get angry, I just really didn't even
Speaker 1: care about the consequences. I just wanted to hurt people.
Speaker 1: It was terrible. And you know, I had turned things
Speaker 1: around academically, had become, you know, a top student and
Speaker 1: pursuing my goal of becoming a physician. But I realized
Speaker 1: after the incident that you just described that I would
Speaker 1: never become a physician. I would either be in jail,
Speaker 1: reform school, or the grave. And I just said, Lord,
Speaker 1: you know, unless you can change me, I'm domned well.
Speaker 1: I was still in the in the midst of praying
Speaker 1: and contemplating and reading the Bible, it dawned on me
Speaker 1: that the reason that I was always angry is because
Speaker 1: I was selfish, because everything was about me, me, my
Speaker 1: and I. Somebody did this to me. It took my thing.
Speaker 1: I want this, And I said, if you learn how
Speaker 1: to take yourself out of the middle of the equation,
Speaker 1: the anger will dissipate. That was the last day I
Speaker 1: had an angry out earth. And people who know me
Speaker 1: now just can't believe that I used to be angry,
Speaker 1: because it really completely changed my life. And you know,
Speaker 1: I have a very strong faith and God, and I
Speaker 1: think that our country developed so rapidly and so well
Speaker 1: because we were a country that had faith, and that faith,
Speaker 1: for instance, taught us how to relate to our fellow man.
Speaker 1: Aren't you d Christian values say love your neighbor, not
Speaker 1: cancel your neighbor if they don't agree with you. You know,
Speaker 1: we're allowing those great principles to be replaced by things
Speaker 1: that are antithetical to the principles of success. Well, and
Speaker 1: you've also been married for I believe forty seven years now,
Speaker 1: Um is it forty seven years to talk about the
Speaker 1: importance of marriage. I personally could never have accomplice to
Speaker 1: think that I did without my wife by my side.
Speaker 1: She's just a constant support for everything that I've always done.
Speaker 1: She even learned how to play pool because I love
Speaker 1: the play pool. She says, if I don't become a
Speaker 1: good pool player, I won't be to have any quality time.
Speaker 1: But she's very good man. But she became a tackler cook,
Speaker 1: a fantastic mom for my kids. You know. She helps
Speaker 1: me with with my writing. With the latest book that
Speaker 1: we did, she did a lot of the research for
Speaker 1: that book, so I always acknowledge her on the cover
Speaker 1: of the book. Um. And it just there was a
Speaker 1: reason that that God fixed us up with the help
Speaker 1: meet and with a companion for life. Quick commercial break
Speaker 1: and then back with a great Dr Ben Carson on
Speaker 1: the other side. You know, you look at the horrific
Speaker 1: shooting that just took place, and you've all day Texas.
Speaker 1: Why do you think as a society we keep turning out,
Speaker 1: you know, these angry young men that take out their
Speaker 1: anger on innocent people like that. Well, I think it
Speaker 1: goes back to what we were talking about before, that
Speaker 1: family structure where you get your values, where you get
Speaker 1: your appreciation for life and for the feelings of other people.
Speaker 1: And when you don't have that and you have this
Speaker 1: constant barrage of things that we see in the media
Speaker 1: and over social media, in particular me first, it's all
Speaker 1: about me, and it's all about my feelings. And you know,
Speaker 1: if you don't have something to counter that, it can
Speaker 1: become pretty malignant pretty quickly. And I think we're seeing
Speaker 1: that in our society, pure evil that is not being counteracted.
Speaker 1: And if we don't get a handle on it, this
Speaker 1: is only the beginning. It's going to get much worse
Speaker 1: than this. And I know people are gonna come and say, well,
Speaker 1: if we can get rid of the guns. Well, all
Speaker 1: you have to if you're a student of history, you
Speaker 1: recognize that before dictatorships occurred, they said let's get rid
Speaker 1: of the guns. And they always have a good reason
Speaker 1: for it. China, Cambodia, Nazi Germany, Inezuela. You know, the
Speaker 1: list goes on and on, get rid of the guns
Speaker 1: and then tyranny. And there's no reason to suspect that
Speaker 1: that wouldn't happen in this country too. And you look
Speaker 1: at the country that had even more guns per capita
Speaker 1: than leader Switzerland to have a very low incidence of
Speaker 1: gun violence. But when you turn adult age, you get
Speaker 1: a gun there and you get training on how to
Speaker 1: use that gun and when to use that gun. And
Speaker 1: I think what we're dealing with here is a people problem,
Speaker 1: it's not a gun problem. And you talk about tyranny,
Speaker 1: and you know, I admittedly, I mean, I've always been conservative.
Speaker 1: I've always believed in liberty and freedom, but I don't
Speaker 1: think I realized how fleeting it truly is until COVID,
Speaker 1: and until we saw government try to overtake our lives.
Speaker 1: As someone who is so renowned in the medical field,
Speaker 1: what were you thinking throughout COVID and just what's your
Speaker 1: takeaway from it? Well, you know, I was on the
Speaker 1: COVID task Force and one of the things that disappointed
Speaker 1: me tremendously was how the leaders of the task force
Speaker 1: quickly dismissed any therapeutics that were brought up. Any It
Speaker 1: had to be vaccine and vaccine only. And you see
Speaker 1: where that led us not to a very good place. Uh.
Speaker 1: No one would even acknowledge the role of natural immunity,
Speaker 1: which we've known about, you know, since the Civil War
Speaker 1: and smallpox. It's like natural immunity, what's that? How long
Speaker 1: is that last? I mean, this is crazy. And you know,
Speaker 1: anytime something that looked promising, like hydroxychloroquine, uh, it was
Speaker 1: immediately bad mouth. The same thing with ivan mactin surrounded
Speaker 1: or anything that looked good. And yet those things have
Speaker 1: worked so well in other parts of the world. You
Speaker 1: look at Western Africa, on the Western Africa coast, there's
Speaker 1: almost no COVID. Why Well, it seems very likely it's
Speaker 1: because they take anti malarial called Hydroxychlorkland and uh. In
Speaker 1: southern India in places they use iver macton, very little
Speaker 1: COVID going on there too. Now, if we were smart,
Speaker 1: we would look at those places and would say, is
Speaker 1: there something going on there? There's something going on there
Speaker 1: with these interventions, and we would put a lot of
Speaker 1: emphasis on that. But instead we have the stupid f
Speaker 1: DA rules that say you cannot have an emergency youth
Speaker 1: authorization if you have another viable treatment. Therefore, in order
Speaker 1: to get the emergency use authorization for the vaccine, you
Speaker 1: had to say nothing else is available that works, and
Speaker 1: that was very unfortunate for hundreds of thousands of people
Speaker 1: in this country. It seems like the left really try
Speaker 1: to use COVID to reshape society, oh without question, or
Speaker 1: you know, you look at what happened with the election.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, you have people who are not
Speaker 1: supposed to be making election rules because of the COVID
Speaker 1: situation and the danger to society. All of a sudden,
Speaker 1: they're changing all kinds of rules, and they're saying signatures
Speaker 1: don't have to match, addresses don't have to match, it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what the date. Uh uh I mean, just
Speaker 1: crazy stuff that would never be allowed in any other
Speaker 1: uh issue. And we just say okay, and Paul Watchers, no,
Speaker 1: you have to stand twenty five or a hundred feet away,
Speaker 1: or we have to be outside the building looking in
Speaker 1: the woman. I mean, just crazy stuff that makes absolutely
Speaker 1: no sense was pushed through because of COVID. And hopefully
Speaker 1: all Americans are concerned about this, not just you know,
Speaker 1: one side or the other side, because we're talking about
Speaker 1: the future of our country. We're talking about a democratic
Speaker 1: republic that cannot exist without integrity and the voting system.
Speaker 1: And you know, you can't emphasize that enough. If we
Speaker 1: just sort of take a lazy fair attitudes, it's okay,
Speaker 1: then we have signed the death warrant for our country. No,
Speaker 1: I agree with you, sir, and I do think that
Speaker 1: is incredibly important. I think that's why a lot of
Speaker 1: people are discouraged, you know, after action and feeling like
Speaker 1: it was just really unfair. Uh. And there's a lot
Speaker 1: of wrong that took place, you know. So I wanted
Speaker 1: to ask you, So you have operated on babies inside
Speaker 1: of a mother's womb. If you are operating on them,
Speaker 1: how can democrats say that human life doesn't begin until birth? Well,
Speaker 1: and it's pretty crazy mstiment. And why is it? Why
Speaker 1: is it that if if you murder a woman who's pregnant,
Speaker 1: you get charged with two counts of murder if if
Speaker 1: that's not something that's alive. But since I hope that
Speaker 1: would make any sense yet, that's why they accepted. So
Speaker 1: it seems like selected Uh, it's very selective definitions of
Speaker 1: when something is alive and when it isn't. And obviously,
Speaker 1: you know, I feel very strong about it because you know,
Speaker 1: I spent my whole professional career trying to save lives
Speaker 1: in many cases little babies, sometimes very premature seven weeks
Speaker 1: gast station um. And interestingly enough, you know, I've been
Speaker 1: around long enough now, but I sometimes have an opportunity
Speaker 1: to see the results. You know, adults, functional, productive adults,
Speaker 1: wonderful people, and uh, you know it just reef enforces
Speaker 1: the desire to make sure that people understand that what
Speaker 1: is inside that mother's womb is not a meaningless bunch
Speaker 1: of cells. Why do you think the left does that
Speaker 1: though they try to reduce the value of human life
Speaker 1: to just a club of cells. I think a lot
Speaker 1: of it is because they don't really know and they
Speaker 1: don't want to know. Um. But you'll notice that the
Speaker 1: younger generation tends to have a larger number of people
Speaker 1: who are pro life because they've grown up in a
Speaker 1: society where we have the technology that actually shows you
Speaker 1: what's in that mother room, and it becomes much more
Speaker 1: difficult to deny that that's a human being. I mean,
Speaker 1: in eight weeks you can already see the little eyeballs
Speaker 1: and the nose and the lips and fingers and the
Speaker 1: toes and the hearts beating, and you know, it's starting
Speaker 1: to move around, and to say that that's not a
Speaker 1: living being makes no sense. And it's more sophisticated. That
Speaker 1: brain is developing so fast, you know, millions and millions
Speaker 1: of neurons every single day, billions. In fact, it's much
Speaker 1: more sophisticated than a snail darter with some of these
Speaker 1: things that the environmentalists go around trying to say, Um,
Speaker 1: why aren't they trying to say this baby? I saw
Speaker 1: that in two You know, you had said at the
Speaker 1: time you're you're not a member of any political party.
Speaker 1: Why did you eventually get into politics? What was it
Speaker 1: about that that in the environment? Then you know, why
Speaker 1: why did you decide that this is the time to
Speaker 1: get into politics? Well, you know, I had no intention
Speaker 1: of getting into the political arena. And then in I
Speaker 1: was asked to give the keynote at the Presidential Prayer Breakfast,
Speaker 1: which shocked me because I had given the keynote in
Speaker 1: when Bill Clinton was president, and I didn't know anybody
Speaker 1: ever did it twice, but some investigation demonstrated that there
Speaker 1: was one person who had done it twice, and that
Speaker 1: was Billy Graham. And I said, well, that's pretty good company.
Speaker 1: And uh so I gave the speech. And after the speech,
Speaker 1: I mean, I was just a non dated with people
Speaker 1: saying you need to run for president. I said, it
Speaker 1: was was a ridiculous thing. I said, if I had
Speaker 1: just anore the that the'll go go away. But it
Speaker 1: didn't go away. It kept getting worse. Every place I
Speaker 1: had to go. There were people with plack carts run
Speaker 1: then run. I had more than five hundred thousand petitions
Speaker 1: in my office. I could really get in there, all
Speaker 1: the boxes and petitions, and you know, I finally said, Lord,
Speaker 1: are you trying to tell me something? I said, um,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to do this, but I
Speaker 1: don't have any of the things that people who are
Speaker 1: un for president have a roll of decks with all
Speaker 1: the important names, a big war chest of money and organization,
Speaker 1: any of the stuff. And I said, nor do I
Speaker 1: intend to develop them. So if you really want me
Speaker 1: to do this, you have to supply all that stuff.
Speaker 1: The next thing I knew had a full organization. They
Speaker 1: were raising more money than the rn C each one.
Speaker 1: It was absolutely incredible. And so that's that's how I
Speaker 1: ended up in the political arena. And then you know,
Speaker 1: during the y and pain, you know, uh, Donald Trump
Speaker 1: and I became friends with very very similar philosophies and
Speaker 1: virtually everything, but very different personalities. And you know, it
Speaker 1: was easy for me when I dropped out to endorse him,
Speaker 1: and it's secondarily become a member of the cabinet. Why
Speaker 1: do you think he received so much hate him? And
Speaker 1: we had the media, the left, they try to say
Speaker 1: he was a racist. They try to say, you know,
Speaker 1: he was all these terrible things. Why, oh well, it
Speaker 1: wasn't just from the left. It was from a lot
Speaker 1: of traditional people on the right too. It was because
Speaker 1: he absolutely refused to get in the swamp and to
Speaker 1: play their games and to go along with all the
Speaker 1: things that you're supposed to do. And that made him
Speaker 1: a real threat to the Washington establishment and they needed
Speaker 1: to get rid of him at all costs. And I
Speaker 1: suspect I would have had the same problem if I
Speaker 1: had one. But you know, we have to recognize what
Speaker 1: we have. It's an amazing country that we have. And
Speaker 1: after the Constitutional Convention seven was finished and Benjamin Franklin
Speaker 1: walked out, a woman said, sir, what do we have here?
Speaker 1: A republic or monarchy? And he said, a republic if
Speaker 1: we can keep it. And that's probably the biggest threat
Speaker 1: that we have right now. We have an entrenched system
Speaker 1: that is extraordinarily corrupt, and it's going to require people
Speaker 1: with real fortitude and real courage to really change it
Speaker 1: and get on the right track again. And you can't
Speaker 1: be the Land of the Free if you're not at
Speaker 1: the home of right. You can't just sort of stand
Speaker 1: in the corner with your head down and hope no
Speaker 1: one calls you a nasty name. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: that's so true. And I mean, I hope people's eyes
Speaker 1: are opening. I know my eyes have been open. You know,
Speaker 1: it started with Kavana, then it was COVID, and then
Speaker 1: it was the treatment of Trump, and then it was
Speaker 1: the Trump administration, which you're obviously a huge part of.
Speaker 1: You're really showing us how corrupt our government is, how
Speaker 1: corrupt how corrupt the media is, how corrupt the left is.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, they called Kavana a gang rapist
Speaker 1: without any evidence. I mean, they were willing to destroy
Speaker 1: someone over politics. I mean you saw that up close
Speaker 1: running What can you tell people about that experience of
Speaker 1: facing that almost all the cabinet members were accused of
Speaker 1: horrible snakes. It was ridiculous, um and and many of
Speaker 1: them left, not because they were horrible corrupt people, but
Speaker 1: in order to fight these things, you have to hire
Speaker 1: your own personal lawyers, and the Washington lawyers who deal
Speaker 1: with that kind of stuff of like nine hundred dollars
Speaker 1: an hour. Not everybody could afford that. And uh, it's
Speaker 1: it's a way of harassing that goes on. You don't
Speaker 1: see it happening on the other side at all. You
Speaker 1: don't hear any of these allegations being made. And the
Speaker 1: media was right lockstep with those making those allegations. You know,
Speaker 1: in my case, I said, he's buying this thirty one
Speaker 1: dollar dining room table while he's trying to slash the budget, uh,
Speaker 1: which was completely untrue, by the way, But they needed
Speaker 1: a narrative, they needed something to attack, and the media
Speaker 1: was all behind it. Carson needs to resign. He's got
Speaker 1: ethical problems now. You know, the investigation cost over a
Speaker 1: million dollars for this allegation of buying a thirty one
Speaker 1: thousand dollar table, which was completely false, and of course
Speaker 1: the investigation yielded zero wrongdoing, which of course there was
Speaker 1: no wrongdoing, so of course that's what it yielded. Um.
Speaker 1: But that shows the level of corruption that is there
Speaker 1: no apology from the media, by the way, uh, no
Speaker 1: acknowledgement that they were completely wrong. And that's one of
Speaker 1: the other sad things that's going on. You know, the
Speaker 1: only business entity protected by our constitution was the press,
Speaker 1: and it was because they were supposed to disseminate unbiased
Speaker 1: information to the people so that the people could make
Speaker 1: a decision, so that the country could be run on
Speaker 1: the will of the people. That was the great experiment.
Speaker 1: How can you have a country that is running the
Speaker 1: will of people, not by some monarch or some central
Speaker 1: dictatorial agency. And no one thought it would work, But
Speaker 1: it has worked for two hundred and fifty years, and
Speaker 1: it will continue to work if if we the American people,
Speaker 1: are diligent and understand our responsibility and make sure that
Speaker 1: the people you vote for people who have your values,
Speaker 1: not just people who have a name you're familiar with
Speaker 1: when you go and look in a balance quick break
Speaker 1: back with Dr Carson on the other side, you talk
Speaker 1: about the media, and previously you're talking about Democrats desired
Speaker 1: to rid Americans of their Second Amendment right. You know,
Speaker 1: we also have the First Amendment right, and it's first
Speaker 1: for a reason, because free speech that you know, the
Speaker 1: free flow of information is incredibly important to have a
Speaker 1: republic as we do, to to have a society that
Speaker 1: can thrive to have that transparency. But we're really losing
Speaker 1: that when you look at the media, I mean they
Speaker 1: essentially serve as a prob began arm of the left. Oh,
Speaker 1: no question about it. People say that we have complete
Speaker 1: freedom of speech because the government has not imposed the restriction.
Speaker 1: But if bick tech and social media is able to
Speaker 1: cancel people with the compliance of the government's exactly the
Speaker 1: same result as if the government is imposing the restriction itself.
Speaker 1: And people really need to understand that, and they need
Speaker 1: to be upset, and they need to make corrections. And
Speaker 1: you know, this November will be an opportune time for
Speaker 1: people to make corrections. And you know, I'm not talking
Speaker 1: democrats and republics. I'm talking about people who love America,
Speaker 1: who love our system, who love our constitution, and people
Speaker 1: who want to fundamentally change it. You know, So you've
Speaker 1: talked about the importance of education and even just your
Speaker 1: mom really encouraging that your life. You know, when you
Speaker 1: look at the issue of school choice, how much of
Speaker 1: a difference would that make in young people's lives in
Speaker 1: this country? Oh, make all the difference in the world.
Speaker 1: If you can get a good education, it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: where you start, what your background is, you will end
Speaker 1: up writing your own ticket and the society. And yet,
Speaker 1: you know, it's one of the things that we really
Speaker 1: do need to address as a nation. A lot of
Speaker 1: our schools, the public schools, are funded through a millage manner,
Speaker 1: where the taxes are generated on the basis of the
Speaker 1: neighborhood in which you live, and if it happens to
Speaker 1: be an affluent area, there's a lot of tax money
Speaker 1: that goes into the school system, and if you happen
Speaker 1: to live in a very poor area, there's very little
Speaker 1: money that goes into it. So you end up with
Speaker 1: in serious schools and less opportunity for a good education. Now.
Speaker 1: You know, in my own particular case, I was I
Speaker 1: was able to get around going to schools that were
Speaker 1: not particularly academically inclined. Uh, because I had such a
Speaker 1: thirst for education. I would go back to the teachers
Speaker 1: after class and I would say, what did you intend
Speaker 1: to teach? Because most of the time they spent the
Speaker 1: whole hour discipline people. They didn't get to teach anything. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, the biology teacher never got the experiments done,
Speaker 1: but he hired me as the biology lab assistant, so
Speaker 1: I got to set up all the experiments, so I
Speaker 1: got to find out what they were supposed to show.
Speaker 1: And then I started doing that for the chemistry and
Speaker 1: also for the physics labs. So I got that education,
Speaker 1: and I started going downtown to Wayne State University, to
Speaker 1: the libraries, They're going to the museums, doing all kinds
Speaker 1: of things to supplement my my education. And even with
Speaker 1: all of that, you know, going from Southwestern High School
Speaker 1: and inner city Detroit to Yale University was still a
Speaker 1: huge culture shock, but I did eventually adjust to We've
Speaker 1: seen just indoctrination take place in schools, particularly with the
Speaker 1: you know, the IVY leagues as well how do we
Speaker 1: change that in terms of just the doctor, you know,
Speaker 1: indoctrination that students are getting. You know, I've I've heard
Speaker 1: a couple of people mentioned, but it's never really been enacted.
Speaker 1: But you know, these schools get huge government grants, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I think the government should not be given
Speaker 1: grants two universities indoctrinate people in either direction. It shouldn't
Speaker 1: it's it shouldn't happen. There's no reason that taxpayers should
Speaker 1: be on the hook for indoctrination of our young people.
Speaker 1: We've seen an uptick in black conservatives, but why aren't
Speaker 1: more black voters voting for Republicans. Well, I will say
Speaker 1: that is encouraging to me. I used to go to
Speaker 1: conservative gatherings and I would be the only black face there.
Speaker 1: That's long gone. There is a wild black faces there now.
Speaker 1: So I think it is changing, uh pretty quickly, and
Speaker 1: I think it will change even more, uh when we
Speaker 1: get another administration in place that takes the attitude of
Speaker 1: the previous administration before this one, that rising tide liftsaw
Speaker 1: boats and that's the way things were done, and and
Speaker 1: that's why there was the lowest black unemployment. Uh, tremendous
Speaker 1: wage gains, all kinds of opportunities for business development. Um.
Speaker 1: Those are the kinds of things that people will after
Speaker 1: a while. Notice if those kinds of the same kind
Speaker 1: of games had occurred under the current administration, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: be heralded from the mountaintop. But since it was the
Speaker 1: bigious administration, I'll talk about that. Um. But you know
Speaker 1: that hiding it under the blanket can only last for
Speaker 1: so long. And I think a lot of people are
Speaker 1: starting to wake up, and that's what encourages me more
Speaker 1: than anything else. I see minorities waking up. I see
Speaker 1: a lot of all Americans from all backgrounds getting involved
Speaker 1: with the school boards, getting involved with the city councils,
Speaker 1: recognizing how much is at stake right now. And I
Speaker 1: do not think Erica is going to go the way
Speaker 1: of Venezuela in some other places, because I think our
Speaker 1: people understand what is at stake and they're not willing
Speaker 1: to treat what we have for socialism. You know, I
Speaker 1: think about Venezuela. I visited there a number of times
Speaker 1: before they turned at wonderful times. They're beautiful resorts and
Speaker 1: hotels and museums. The thing that the people argued about
Speaker 1: most was whether or not they were the most beautiful
Speaker 1: people in the world. And now look look at it.
Speaker 1: They go from the number one economy in South America
Speaker 1: to the last with people fleeing there in droves, and
Speaker 1: it happened almost overnight. And look at how rapidly things
Speaker 1: are changing in this country. And we cannot take our
Speaker 1: freedoms for granted, We absolutely cannot. And you know, that's
Speaker 1: really the whole point of this podcast. Try to get
Speaker 1: to the truth of these issues and expose a lot
Speaker 1: of these issue shoose and have conversations with people like
Speaker 1: you to get the truth out to the public. And
Speaker 1: you talked about all the accomplishments that you guys did
Speaker 1: in the Trump administration, you know, and then now we
Speaker 1: have this administration. You know, as as someone who served
Speaker 1: in the previous administration, you know what's going through your
Speaker 1: mind as you just watch what's been happening with the
Speaker 1: Biden administration. Well, you know, it's very sad. Obviously, our
Speaker 1: system has broken down in the sense that you've got
Speaker 1: some government who multiple reasons is perhaps not functioning at
Speaker 1: the highest levels, and you have people managing him who
Speaker 1: are not elected people and who would never be elected.
Speaker 1: People people saw who they were, but they're they're virtually
Speaker 1: managing the country and doing a horrible job of it.
Speaker 1: And and the question is, you know, can we survive uh,
Speaker 1: you know, this complete lack of leadership and incompetency that's
Speaker 1: going on. I hope we're strong enough to survive it.
Speaker 1: But everybody's going to have to do their part. And
Speaker 1: one thing I tell people all the time is you
Speaker 1: may feel helpless, but there's no one who doesn't have
Speaker 1: a sphere of influence, and you can use that a
Speaker 1: sphere of influence in a very positive way. Treat people
Speaker 1: the right way again, conversations about what's going on. You know,
Speaker 1: they say you're not to talk about religion or politics.
Speaker 1: I disagree. I think you should engage people in conversation
Speaker 1: because sometimes that's the only way that they will get
Speaker 1: to recognize the basis of their beliefs, and a lot
Speaker 1: of times they recognize that they don't have a bit
Speaker 1: sister the beliefs, and you can frequently get people to
Speaker 1: move to more reasonable position, and that's what we really want.
Speaker 1: We live in a multi, multi variant society. We have
Speaker 1: people from all kinds of backgrounds, and that's exactly the
Speaker 1: kind of place where you cannot have a my way
Speaker 1: or the highway attitude. You have to be able to
Speaker 1: engage in conversation with each other, you have to be
Speaker 1: the fine common ground. You have to be able to
Speaker 1: work together. That's what community is all about. And that
Speaker 1: was a very important killer for the development of this country.
Speaker 1: Fully with it, I don't think he's at the top
Speaker 1: of his game, um. And you know, I just think
Speaker 1: it was criminal the way during the election process that
Speaker 1: he was stashed away in the basement. I mean, people
Speaker 1: should have been highly suspicion just at that point and
Speaker 1: why they try to keep this guy away from people. Um.
Speaker 1: But again, part of that was the media heralding how
Speaker 1: great he was and this was going to be the
Speaker 1: salvation of the world, and you know, they just pushed
Speaker 1: that narrative so hard. And you know, I I talked
Speaker 1: about the media quite a bit and and my new
Speaker 1: book Created Equal and the role that they have played
Speaker 1: and some of the good things that they have done
Speaker 1: in our society, but you know, some of the really
Speaker 1: bad things. And there is an opportunity for them to
Speaker 1: recognize why they were the only business entity protected by
Speaker 1: a Constitution and to rise to the occasion, you know,
Speaker 1: throw away this ideological bent that they have and do
Speaker 1: their job. You've just done so much in your life,
Speaker 1: it's remarkable. I mean, you were the director of pediatric
Speaker 1: neuro Surgery at John Hopkins at thirty three years old,
Speaker 1: the youngest to head in major division in the hospital's history.
Speaker 1: You have done life changing surgeries, you have been the
Speaker 1: first to do some of those. You've written best selling books,
Speaker 1: You've won You've received the Presidential Medal of Freedom. I mean,
Speaker 1: the list goes on and on and on, awards, honors,
Speaker 1: you know, all these things. What are you most proud of?
Speaker 1: Probably the fact that our children and our grandchildren are
Speaker 1: growing up to be very decent individuals who love our
Speaker 1: nation and who loved their fellow man, and they're making contributions.
Speaker 1: And I don't know that there's anything greater that you
Speaker 1: can do than to raise your children the right way.
Speaker 1: It's beautiful. I always like to ask the guests before
Speaker 1: we go, is there anything else you'd like to leave
Speaker 1: the audience with. Well, just with the fact that we,
Speaker 1: the American people, are not each other's enemies, and we
Speaker 1: cannot do that. Those who want to fundamentally change is
Speaker 1: convince us that we're enemies and that we should be
Speaker 1: fighting on the basis of race, income, gender, religion, political affiliation, whatever,
Speaker 1: because the United States of America is critical to the
Speaker 1: stability of the world, and if we allow it to go,
Speaker 1: everything else is going to collapse as well. Sir, it's
Speaker 1: been an honor to have you on the show. I
Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time. Such an honor.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, sir, Thank you for being a patriot. Well,
Speaker 1: that was awesome to have Dr Ben Parson on the show.
Speaker 1: And what I really appreciate it is, well, guys, it
Speaker 1: can be challenging right now what we face as a country.
Speaker 1: We all know that we are at a crossroads as
Speaker 1: a nation, that this is a really pivotal time for
Speaker 1: a country for those of us who believe in liberty,
Speaker 1: who believe in freedom, who believe on the principles of
Speaker 1: this nation was founded upon. So I really appreciated his
Speaker 1: optimism and his wisdom and just what he had to say.
Speaker 1: So it was an honor to have the conversation with him,
Speaker 1: and I really appreciated what he said that we can't
Speaker 1: be the land of the Free without being the Home
Speaker 1: of the Brave. So you know, we've got to be brave,
Speaker 1: we've got to get out there and fight, and so
Speaker 1: I just really appreciated that conversation that and I hope
Speaker 1: you did too. You know, we have these every Monday
Speaker 1: and Thursday. I appreciate you guys tuning in. Please share
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Speaker 1: And I want to thank my producer, John Cassio for
Speaker 1: always working hard to to put this show together for
Speaker 1: you guys. So thanks so much for listening.