1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Dirty Rush, The Truth about Sorority Life with 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: your hosts me Gia Judice. 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 2: Daisy Kent, and Jennifer Fessler. 4 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 3: Hi, guys, welcome back to another episode of Dirty Brush. Today, 5 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 3: I am joined I have very special guests who knows 6 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 3: a thing or two about sorority life at a big 7 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 3: Southern school, just like me. She's a proud sorority alum 8 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 3: turned sorority mom, just like me, and you may also 9 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 3: recognize her from the latest season of The Golden Bachelor. 10 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 3: Sydney Cullers, Welcome to Dirty Ry. 11 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: Hey, welcome Dirty Rush. What a salacious name is not 12 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: the best, It's totally the best. It gives us permission 13 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: to talk openly and. 14 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 3: Freely, well because it's Rush, as we both know, can 15 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 3: be good and dirty. 16 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 2: Right. 17 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 3: Well, okay, so I'm I already introduce you as going 18 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 3: to a big Southern school. Tell everybody, first of all, 19 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 3: where you are. 20 00:00:56,040 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: I live currently in downtown Austin the University of Texas, 21 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: which is where you went to school. That's right. I 22 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 1: went to school north of here in Dallas at SMU. 23 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 1: I was a Delta Gamma at SMU. 24 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 3: Crowd gig, you know we've talked to a lot of 25 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 3: SMU sorority girls, and I don't know if it was 26 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,119 Speaker 3: as intense when you were there. 27 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 2: We I think we're probably around the same age here. 28 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 3: I might be a little older, but these girls go 29 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 3: through it now at SMU. 30 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 1: Even back in the day. So I was there before 31 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 1: we had the death I was actually there when we 32 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: had the death penalty. I was cheering for SMU when 33 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: we went through the death penalty, and that really changed 34 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: sororities a little bit, well, actually a lot. When I 35 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 1: was there. Eighty percent of the people who could rush 36 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: did rush, So it was heavily panelytic. If you weren't 37 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: part of the Greek system, you just like you just 38 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: were in the absolute minorities. So or an athlete what okay, 39 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:00,080 Speaker 1: So I'm just going to ask you. I should know 40 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: what you're talking about. But when you say the death penalty, 41 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: explain that our football team got penalized and we were 42 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: pretty much picked. It's like a house being kicked off campus. 43 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: Our athletic system got shut down, our football system got 44 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: shut down, and we weren't able to play football or 45 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 1: give scholarships for quite some time. And we're now back. 46 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: But you know football at SUMU, we were top ten. 47 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 3: I know out there, yep. I was going to say 48 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 3: to our listeners. A lot of our listeners relate to that, 49 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:34,639 Speaker 3: some don't. But football is the thing, and. 50 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: In the South it was. And you know what's interesting. 51 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: You know you have a campus where your stadium is 52 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: virtually on campus. Ours wasn't. We played at Cowboys Stadium, 53 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: so the stories and fraternities would bust the people over 54 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: for the games, which made it even more of a 55 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: social outing. So football was kind of real cornerstone and 56 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: a lot of what we did. 57 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 3: So tell us a little bit about your rush process. 58 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 2: Did you rush first or second semester? 59 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 1: SMU has a SMU had a spring rush. I think 60 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 1: they've now moved to a fall rush. My first year 61 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: as a freshman, I had was in my friend's wedding 62 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: from high school. She got married that January, so I 63 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:21,119 Speaker 1: was not able to attend rush. So I went through 64 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: as a sophomore, so which made it a little bit 65 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: unique for me. 66 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 2: I think, well, we have a lot in common. 67 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 3: I went through as a junior actually because I transferred 68 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 3: to UT transferred. 69 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: Interesting where'd you transfer from? I transferred Boston University okay. 70 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: Boston University was another one of my alternatives. 71 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 2: Really, I don't know I went. I grew up. 72 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 3: I went to high school in Houston, and all of 73 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 3: my friends were like, we're going out of state. I 74 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 3: don't know why, because UT is just the best. SMU 75 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 3: is such a great school. There are so many great 76 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 3: schools in Texas. 77 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: Girl, we're gonna have to hang. I'm from Houston too, yeah, sure, 78 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: common No, I'm from up north in the Styx. 79 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 3: Wow, you do have a lot in common, all right, 80 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 3: So well tell me a little bit so right, So 81 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 3: it was different. 82 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 2: So freshman year, you were making friends. 83 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 3: You were not in a sorority, but you know, I'm 84 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 3: guessing that you were making friends and finding your place. 85 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: Right, making good friends. You know, if you rush in 86 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: the spring, there are a lot of restrictions on what 87 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: parties you can go to. And I'm kind of a 88 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: rule follower with that, so I didn't really get looked 89 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 1: into meeting a lot of the girls from the different 90 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 1: sororities during that fall semester. I knew I wouldn't go 91 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: through rush, but I was still very interested in making friends. 92 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: So I made friends, and then I actually was privileged 93 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: to cheer on the palm team and then the cheer team. Yeah, 94 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, especially for top ten school, it was phenomenal. 95 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: Best seats in the house, so privileged. 96 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 2: Wait, so you probably so you're a big cheerleader in 97 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 2: high school as well, Right. 98 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: You know, I'm God's favorite person. I think I was. 99 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: I'm not a good cheerleader. I'm not a tumbler. I've 100 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,119 Speaker 1: never taken a dance class in my life. I'm a 101 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: really good copy and I love sports, so I know 102 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: sports and I'm fearless. So I we were not co 103 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,840 Speaker 1: ed in high school. I found a partner in college 104 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: who was a male cheerleader, and he kind of helped 105 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 1: me with some of the partner stunts. And it was 106 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: just really fun. And I don't know that I was 107 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: good at it. I just enjoyed it a lot. 108 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 2: What did you think of the rush process? So? 109 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: Rush for me was very interesting coming through as a sophomore. Obviously, 110 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: I had some girls on the team that were in 111 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 1: different houses. And I'll be super honest with you, the 112 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: Delta Gamma house was the only house when I went through. 113 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: They weren't They didn't say, oh, here's Cindy. Remember she's 114 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,919 Speaker 1: the Pomp Pom girl. Like, the only house that really 115 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: liked me for me, in my opinion, was the Delta 116 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: Gama house. And I love that about them because, you know, 117 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: during today, maybe not tomorrow, and that's not who I 118 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: wrapped my identity in. I'm a biomedical engineer, I have 119 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: a really tough degree plan, and you know, I'm a 120 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: good friend as a good sister, you know. So there's 121 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: a lot of things about me that I felt maybe, 122 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: you know, more unique than she's a pomp punk girl. 123 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: Looking back at it after hosting Rushi's, I understand that's 124 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 1: like the quick that's a shorthand to trying to draw 125 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: a reference like remember she's on We talked about who 126 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: does this? So I get that, But going through, I 127 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: was a little bit offended that the reason I felt 128 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 1: that they were interested in me is because I had 129 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: a spot on the Pomp Pomp team. 130 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 2: So I think that's that's interesting. 131 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 3: I'm looking at you now and so seeing obviously you 132 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 3: are a beautiful woman, and I'm guessing that you were 133 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,359 Speaker 3: stunning back then as well, and I think, but I 134 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 3: think that a lot of girls going through think that 135 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 3: the physical is what's important, right in terms of getting asked. 136 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: Let's be super clear, Like I am the queen of 137 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 1: shopping on Amazon and looking like sacks, like honestly, and 138 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 1: I felt the same back in the day. And I 139 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 1: didn't have the refinement that especially SMU girls had. Boy, 140 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: these girls came in, you know, from prep schools and 141 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: with history of lots of money, and I spent gladly. 142 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: I spent every summer of my life on a farm 143 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: in Nebraska. So I'm sure I was not dressed appropriately 144 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: for Rush. You know, I think it's sad, but some 145 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: of those physical cues are what people do look at, 146 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: I'm sure, but I didn't have I didn't have it 147 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: all together either back when I was in college, for sure. 148 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 2: You know. I just I love that our our listeners 149 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 2: can hear that. 150 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 3: So, you know, I'm guessing that you were absolutely gorgeous 151 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 3: like you are now. You were a pom Pom girl, 152 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 3: but you were looking for a sorority that would see 153 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 3: past that and see right into sort of more of 154 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 3: who you were and that you were so smart and. 155 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 2: And I hope that. 156 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 3: That our listeners really hear that, right, And it's a 157 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 3: find you know, like minded girls that care about what 158 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 3: they care about I think that's so challenging. 159 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: It's your home, it's it's your sisterhood. It is it 160 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: is the family that you get to choose outside of 161 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: your you know, your significant other. It truly is a 162 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: family you get to choose. And I will say that, 163 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: how do I say this kindly to those other sororities 164 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: who I am still very good friends with some of 165 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: these women, but they still are wondering about my accomplishments 166 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: and what I can do and some of those outward things. 167 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: And when I'm with some of my DG's sisters. The 168 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: culture of that house was back then and still is 169 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: today with those women, how are you? It's so fun 170 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: to be with you. They just really enjoy the essence 171 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,839 Speaker 1: of who I am and me with them. Yeah, And 172 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: so you know, just there is a fingerprint to every house, 173 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: and it does morph and it does change because the 174 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: women in the house will morphine change. But find your home. 175 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: For goodness sakes, you have a chance to pick people 176 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 1: who accept you and love you. Don't. This is not 177 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 1: the time to reach into something that you're not one 178 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:05,319 Speaker 1: hundred percent. I agree. 179 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 3: It's funny now the girls talk about the sororities and 180 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 3: the attorneys being top tier. Have you heard, Yeah, I 181 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 3: don't remember. I don't remember that expression back. 182 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:15,719 Speaker 1: Oh I do, I definitely do. I definitely rush it, 183 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: And I honestly, top tier was it was not irrelevant 184 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: to me because you know, I have you know, I 185 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: just felt like a top tier shorty would offer me 186 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: top tier people, and that's who I typically align with. 187 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: I wanted really smart people, really kind people, really nice people, 188 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:37,679 Speaker 1: and a top tier astorty will typically have those. Though 189 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: being top tier wasn't you know, it was part of 190 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: my consideration. I'll be completely honest and transparent. 191 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:48,839 Speaker 2: I appreciate that. 192 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 3: I don't know that and I could be wrong, but 193 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 3: a lot of times, like my daughter, who was an 194 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 3: authority at University of Delaware, when she was looking at 195 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,439 Speaker 3: top tier, I feel like so much of that was 196 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 3: about what the girls look like, you know, and it's interesting, 197 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 3: and so by top tier they were ranked sort of 198 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 3: you know, I don't know, the prettiest girls they were 199 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 3: in the top tier. And I just absolutely hated that. 200 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 3: And I mean, listen, she found ausroorty and she absolutely 201 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 3: loved it and had a blast. And I had that, 202 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,319 Speaker 3: you know, back at UT when I was rushing. I 203 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 3: knew that there were. 204 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 2: More the prettier girls went here, the sweeter I don't know, 205 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 2: it was all of that. 206 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, there is like the fingerprint, and we 207 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 1: just talked, Yeah, kind of talked about the fingerprint of it. 208 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: But honestly, if you get a new girl who's beautiful, 209 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: then doesn't that change the fingerprint. Yes, So if your 210 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: daughter decided to go to the sorority that didn't have 211 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 1: the pretty girls, and she's clearly she's got good change, 212 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: she's got to be gorgeous. 213 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 3: She went to the one with whatever, the gorgeous girls. 214 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 3: But you know, I was not a gorgeous girl. 215 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 2: And I got. 216 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 3: Into an I'll believe it. And I got into a 217 00:10:55,640 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 3: sorority because when I transferred, my friends were all in 218 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 3: it already, so like my three roommates were a five, 219 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 3: So there was no question that that's where I was going. 220 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 3: And you know, I look back on it, I had 221 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 3: a great time. I wonder if that was exactly where 222 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 3: I belonged though, you know, and I didn't. I knew 223 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 3: that that's, you know, where I was going to end up, 224 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 3: But I don't know, there's it's really like every sorority 225 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 3: like it has a different like we just said, fingerprint and. 226 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 2: Is that what we said? Is it fingerprint? Footprint? What's 227 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 2: the expression anyway? Fingerprint? 228 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: Because everyone's everyone's unique. 229 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 3: Yes, everyone's unique, right, and it's just important, I think, 230 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 3: to be open to that when you're going through the 231 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 3: RUSH process. Was it as intense for you as I 232 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 3: picture at SMU though? 233 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 2: Was it? 234 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,079 Speaker 3: You know, do you look back at that very short 235 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 3: period of time and were you conflicted? Were you you know, 236 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 3: was it filled with anxiety like it is for so 237 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:12,319 Speaker 3: many girls. 238 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: I think walking into the mansion gave me more anxiety 239 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: than walking to RUSH because I was a year older 240 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: than the girls. I did know people in the houses, 241 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: so that was that probably gave me a lot more security. 242 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: I tell you what I didn't have. I wasn't going 243 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: around house to house with a bunch of girls that 244 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: I'd spent time with in the dormitory. So I was 245 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: fish out of the water when I was on the sidewalk. 246 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 1: Once I was in the house, I was probably more 247 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 1: comfortable because I went through later. 248 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 2: Harder to walk into the mansion. 249 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 4: Huh yeah, I mean you're you're competing for one guy 250 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 4: and you're watching all these women come in and they're 251 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 4: absolutely stunning and all wearing beautiful ball gowns and just. 252 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 2: Even isn't that isn't that interesting? 253 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 3: It's like, and I'm I'm guessing you've fel the same way, 254 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:04,679 Speaker 3: but I so obviously I'm fifty seven. I'm a very 255 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 3: different woman than I was when I was, you know, 256 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 3: twenty three. But that experience that you had is so unique, Right, 257 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 3: I'm wondering if it felt at all though sort of 258 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 3: like the same thing. 259 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 2: Right. 260 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: We talk about it a lot. I've got I'm very 261 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: close friends with a lot of the women of the house. 262 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,319 Speaker 1: We just took a trip with a subgroup of us. 263 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: It was Robin, Carol, Jerry, and Amy. We all went 264 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: to Palm Springs and it was Jerry's first trip girls 265 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:39,439 Speaker 1: trip ever. She's like, and this is what she thought 266 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: being in a sorority would feel like. And for those 267 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: of us who are have been in a sorority, it 268 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 1: absolutely feels like that. You know, you go through something 269 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: that's unique and special and you share it together that 270 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: common bond you know from the show. We kind of 271 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: call it a trauma bond. 272 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 2: Yes, I mean that's yeah, that's what it looks like 273 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 2: as a viewer. 274 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 4: So yeah, maybe less so in the summary world, but 275 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 4: you know, you go through a shared experience and it 276 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 4: can't help it bond you together. 277 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: And I do think because the shorties have different fingerprints, 278 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: they do tend to find, you know, women who are alike. 279 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: And you know, for our season of the Golden Bachelor, 280 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: I feel like we all share different facets of one another. 281 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: Like there wasn't another duplicate of Cindy. There was no 282 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 1: copy and paste of any of us. But if I 283 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: looked at, you know, the family orientation that I have, 284 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: I would find that really in common with you know, 285 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: Carol and my lean and some of the fun aspects 286 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: and some of the foody aspects and some of the 287 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: you know, don't care how my hair looks aspects. You know, 288 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: I would share that with some other women so well, 289 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: like the different facets of myself, but I could find 290 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: in my shorty sisters I was finding in the house 291 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: with mansion mats. 292 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, tell me, since you are talking about home and 293 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 3: I'm wondering, I know you're also a sorority mom, right, 294 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 3: but first let me ask you if your mom was 295 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 3: your mom very involved in. 296 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 2: Your rush process? 297 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: Not at all? 298 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 2: Not at all mine either. 299 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: No, I mean she was then a sorority and yeah, no, 300 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: I was pretty much on my own. And honestly, when 301 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: my kids went through RUSH, I was going through some 302 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: stuff in my marriage that I wish I could be 303 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: a little bit more helpful to them. Of course, I 304 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: helped them get REX, and that's an aggressive process, Holy 305 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: cow REX. Nowadays, I feel bad for the girls going 306 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: through it, and especially for anybody who doesn't have family 307 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: members who have gone through it just to have somebody 308 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: guide them. 309 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 3: I've heard now it's they don't take that as seriously. 310 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 3: Even legacy does not. 311 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: I definitely not legacy. 312 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, does that help. 313 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: Even when my kids went through Yeah, there's just too many. 314 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: There's just too many legacies. 315 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah yeah. Yeah. 316 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 3: So your sisters, brothers and were any of them in 317 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 3: Greek life. 318 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: No, my brother and my sister did not sate in 319 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: the Greek system. My daughter, my older daughter did. She 320 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: went to University of Arkansas and dropped from her sorority 321 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: senior year. It just didn't serve her anymore, yep, And 322 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: so she dropped. And then my middle daughter went to Baylor. 323 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: She was a kappa and she stayed kappa the whole time. 324 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: She was in a KAPA house off campus with a 325 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: bunch of Cappa sisters there, and that was a super 326 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: sweet group for her to hang with. And that was 327 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: really my first time to have like the mother daughter 328 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: sorority daughter experience, which is fun. 329 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 2: Right. 330 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: And then my younger one is a dancer in LA 331 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: and so she didn't have campus, she didn't have any 332 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: campus life, so kind of she did online at Purdue. 333 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: So I don't think you could do sororities online yet, 334 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: even through COVID. 335 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 3: Listen, you're not going to leave your house much longer 336 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 3: to beat a frat party. It's hard to be a 337 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 3: mom watching your daughter. In your case, daughters go through 338 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 3: the process. How did they go through the rush process? 339 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 3: Did they have a difficult or an easy time with it? 340 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 1: Sarah, my oldest, had a perfect rush, So she had 341 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: literally the perfect rush, so she never got cut and 342 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: she got to pick a house and she she loved 343 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: the house and loved the girls, so that was easy. 344 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: And so for this second, you know, we'd already talked 345 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: through it with Sarah. The two older girls were just 346 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: one great apart, so it got it okay. Sarah went through. 347 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: Then the next to Emily went through and honestly, I 348 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:36,400 Speaker 1: think because we had a chance to talk through all 349 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: of it with Sarah, Emily was washing Bury, yeah, intently, 350 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: and so her mindset was like aligned. She was fine. 351 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 1: I think you just have to Honestly, I think you 352 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: have to let go of the outcome. 353 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, like have to let go. Yeah, I mean that's 354 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 2: a lesson. 355 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 3: It took me a long time to learn the whole 356 00:17:58,080 --> 00:17:59,360 Speaker 3: enjoy the journey. 357 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 2: Thing is I was older when I sort of got that. 358 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 3: But right, I think that for a lot of girls, 359 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 3: and we've talked to a lot of girls about this, 360 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 3: you know, your head is set on one sorority and 361 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 3: it just it could ruin the experience for you, right, 362 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 3: it can. 363 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 1: Ruin your college. We know girls who have transferred colleges 364 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 1: because they don't get into what they consider the rights sorority. 365 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 1: And it's just a shame because there could be a 366 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: different match, you know, just could be a different match 367 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: for them that might end up better that they don't see. 368 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, we had a mom come on. It was one 369 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 3: of the first pose that I recorded, and talking about 370 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 3: how her daughter had gone through the rush process at 371 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 3: SMU and how at the end of it. I hope 372 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:02,880 Speaker 3: that I'm remembering this car. I think everyone gets together 373 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 3: and I guess this already comes and grabs you or 374 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 3: something like it. Am I am I remembering this correctly. 375 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, we did that in Arkansas, and that all the 376 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: girls are at the stadium and they come and get 377 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 1: grabbed by their sorority. And there's some girls who don't. 378 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: I don't, I don't. I listen, panalytic. Better be smarter 379 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:25,120 Speaker 1: about that. If you have a girl who doesn't get 380 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: a bid, whoever their rush coaches needs to have a 381 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: conversation with them and pull them from that stadium. That 382 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 1: can't happen. That can't happen. That's so cool. 383 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 3: Well, this mom had happened to her daughter two years 384 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 3: in a row, and so you know, we were talking 385 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 3: about it. It just it's just horrible and it's horrible. Yeah, 386 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 3: I think it was SMU. But again, like you go 387 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,199 Speaker 3: to the middle of campus. I don't know, but that 388 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 3: kind of stuff is just just awful. And you know, 389 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 3: I don't know, it's the whole system, the whole I 390 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 3: had a great experience, You had a great experience, and 391 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 3: it really is a sisterhood that can set you up 392 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 3: for life and life also you deal with rejection. 393 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 2: That's just part of it. We all have to deal 394 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 2: with it. But it's harsh. 395 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 3: It can be harsh depending on the school, right, I mean, 396 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 3: I feel like, you know, the southern schools are more intense. 397 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: It definitely. I mean, I think the situation in the 398 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 1: stadium that just literally breaks my heart and sick to 399 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: my stomach about that. But in general, I look at 400 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: you know, my whole sorority experience was divergent. You know, 401 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,679 Speaker 1: I didn't pledge until I was a sophomore. I was 402 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 1: very entrenched with Yeah, with my degree plan. I had 403 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,439 Speaker 1: a double major, and it was taking every semester. I 404 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: had an eight o'clock class and I had eighteen hours 405 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: every semester, and I'm trying to cheer and the travel 406 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: that that's required and the practices and all the sorority stuff, 407 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: and so I was we look back and I laugh. 408 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: I was barely a dig. 409 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 2: So you didn't hold any you didn't hold any office. 410 00:20:55,960 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: I did so. I actually my junior year, my junior here, 411 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: I was thinking about, you know, deactivating because financially, I 412 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 1: you know, I had no money, and it was a 413 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 1: steep requirement to go to SMU, even on full scholarship, 414 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:13,719 Speaker 1: there's always incidental stuff. 415 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 3: Do you tell me you went on a full scholarship. Girl, 416 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,239 Speaker 3: It's a lot here for me to take in. I 417 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 3: can't get over you. 418 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 2: Who am I speaking to? All Right? 419 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 1: I said, God's favorite, God's favorite, my sister, my favorite. 420 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: That's even better. 421 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:31,439 Speaker 2: Go on? 422 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 1: So I feel that you know it's going to deactivate 423 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: in my house. I went to the I had to 424 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,439 Speaker 1: sit in front of the board and all these you know, 425 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,439 Speaker 1: the alumni and the sisters that I knew and respected 426 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: and loved and cherished, and just said, listen, here's where 427 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: I am. I can't do this anymore. And they said 428 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: give us a week. And I came back after a 429 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: week and they found what they call a secret Hannah. 430 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 1: So it's a secret alumni who paid for not just 431 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: all of my dues at the sorority, but she paid. 432 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 1: It was required that I move into the house for 433 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 1: a year, which what what I mean? Obviously I had 434 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: room and board with my scholarship, but what a gift? Yeah? 435 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 2: Did they still do? 436 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: I'm in tear up right now and I felt so 437 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: be behold it to that sorority for reaching out to 438 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 1: me and helping me through that. And so the other 439 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: requirement is that I do the same for another DJI 440 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 1: in the same circumstance. And it's been it's a privilege, 441 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: it's secret. I have no idea who she is. 442 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 3: You're gonna this is the nicest thing I've ever heard. 443 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 3: This is at the top of my list of why 444 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 3: you should join a sorority. That's I never even heard 445 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 3: of it, because I guess it happened. Maybe it happens 446 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 3: at other campuses as well. 447 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: That is just amazing. 448 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 2: Wow, And now you're doing it for someone. 449 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you take a girl who felt like she 450 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 1: just wasn't worthy of the house because I can't afford it, 451 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 1: and you make her feel like a queen princess. And so, 452 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I've always had leadership positions and what I do, 453 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: I enjoy it. You know, if you're going to be 454 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,239 Speaker 1: there anyway, you might as well lead it because you're 455 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: going to stay on time you get out. I think 456 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: they wanted me to be rushed here, and which would 457 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 1: be such a privilege and it would be an honor. 458 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: But you know, I had kind of a higher profile 459 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 1: on campus, and I think they thought that would be 460 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: good but I like, honestly, I would have failed them 461 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 1: because I didn't have the bandwidth to make that happen. 462 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: So I was their panelmic representative, and so I got 463 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: to sit on the board with the other houses and 464 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: kind of talk through some of the sorority rush things. 465 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: That's why the whole like, if there are girls left 466 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 1: in on campus, I'm going to I'm going to retouch 467 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 1: back with my people at SMU because that just as 468 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: a Paneltic member, we never would have let that happen. 469 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely heard that from one of our sorority 470 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 3: moms that it was just horrible for her daughter. You know, 471 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 3: you get those stories. It definitely you know I don't 472 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 3: know that. Well, which doesn't kill us makes us stronger me. 473 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 1: That's that's what I want to say. Yeah, yeah, like 474 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: through the process, you know, I didn't have the money 475 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: to continue, and they made it happen. I you know, 476 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: I went through as a sophomore instead of a freshman, 477 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: and like all these things that weren't perfect added up 478 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: and were knit together into such a beautiful story. And 479 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 1: it's my story. It's not a traditional story, it's my story. Yeah, 480 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: sororities and I hoped I hope that anybody listening to 481 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:22,439 Speaker 1: this considers just open yourself up to knitting a new story. 482 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: It may not be what you've expected nor what you wanted, 483 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,400 Speaker 1: but it's your story. 484 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, and to make it what you want, right, to 485 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 3: make the whole experience what you want. 486 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 2: And I agree. 487 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 3: When I went through it, I remember just being so 488 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 3: even with knowing that my roommates were all in fie, 489 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 3: I was so insecure. 490 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: And were you nervous about getting into the house even 491 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 1: with your roommates. 492 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 3: Yes, even with that, I was just nervous. I mean, 493 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 3: ut is big, and we went into a lot of 494 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 3: houses where I didn't feel like I fit in. Even 495 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 3: though it was just the rush process, I knew I 496 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 3: wasn't going to end up in some of these sororities. 497 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,959 Speaker 3: I was a Jewish girl who was probably gonna end 498 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 3: up in a Jewish sorority. So, you know, going through 499 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 3: the house through triedelt. I wasn't holding my breath thinking 500 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,400 Speaker 3: I was going to get in. But I just remember everyone, 501 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 3: It felt like everyone was just beautiful and blonde and 502 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:20,959 Speaker 3: fit and I just wasn't. And it was I remember 503 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:26,360 Speaker 3: it taking its toll, you know. Yeah, and in especially 504 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 3: at a school like ut you know, there's a there's 505 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 3: a field to it. And I moved to Texas when 506 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,679 Speaker 3: I was nine. I was a little bit of a 507 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 3: fish out of water. This is not about me, but 508 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 3: sometimes I just can't seem to help me. 509 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 1: Now I find this fascinating. I've got eighteen more questions 510 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: for you, so hold on. 511 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 3: Oh oh god, well listen again. I want to hear 512 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 3: more about your experience. But I just, yeah, it was hard. 513 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 3: It was hard on me. I think even knowing that 514 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 3: I was probably going to get into FI, I was 515 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 3: pretty sure. But even with that, going to the different 516 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 3: houses and looking all these girls and feeling not not 517 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 3: as good, as not as pretty, as not as all 518 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,719 Speaker 3: of that. But you know, you, I look back at 519 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 3: it as you get older, it would have been nice 520 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 3: to do it now all you're listen. You you said 521 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 3: it was Look what you had to go through going 522 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 3: it is just. 523 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 1: As hard all those all those things that we felt 524 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: as a young girl. I think we still feel at 525 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: our age and and I think we'll feel at the 526 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: rest of our lives and the same diversity of people 527 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,400 Speaker 1: that we had to deal with back in a sorority, 528 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: those people that you felt were judging you or whatever. 529 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: We still, I mean, don't you feel that now? I mean, 530 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: we could care less about it. 531 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 2: I do. 532 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,880 Speaker 3: Going into the mansion, I would have definitely felt it. 533 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 3: So I don't have a lot of situations like that. 534 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 3: You know, that's intense at least that's what it looks 535 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 3: like where I'm you know, hoping to attract the attention 536 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:52,360 Speaker 3: of one man, whatever that looks like. But so that 537 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 3: would have Yes, I would have definitely felt a lot 538 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 3: of anxiety around that. But I do feel like at 539 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 3: my age, I don't have a problem walking in to 540 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 3: a room anymore and feeling that comes with age. 541 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 2: I tail that to my kids all. 542 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 3: The time, but I don't I don't get a lot 543 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 3: of insecurity about, you know, new situations, meeting people again, 544 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 3: walking into that mansion in that circumstance would have maybe 545 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 3: very self conscious. 546 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 1: I think I used to tell my kids of you know, 547 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: in these circumstances. Just remember, just think of a basket, 548 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: a little wicker basket with a fluffy pillow, stuck with 549 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: a bunch of speckled puppies. Just imagine every everyone is 550 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,719 Speaker 1: so cute and so adorable, and they're all so different, 551 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: whether they have a spot on their nose or a 552 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: spot on their back, or whatever distribution. We're all just 553 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: a basketful of speckled puppies. And if we could just 554 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 1: remember that as we walk into the world, wouldn't that 555 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: be nicer? And instead of looking at just the front 556 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: row of those girls as they're cheering and singing their songs, 557 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 1: look into the back row and find those speckled puppies, right, 558 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,679 Speaker 1: because they're they're in every house. 559 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so great. I absolutely love that. 560 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 3: I'm going to use that, except I'm not going to 561 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:08,880 Speaker 3: tell my daughter where it came from. 562 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 1: I'm going to completely She might like it, she might 563 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 1: like it, but it just didn't come from you. 564 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 2: No, fair enough, that's true. That's true. 565 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 1: We'll change the Forrest Gump. Life is like a box 566 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: of chocolate. Life is like a basket of speckled puppies. 567 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 2: Have you seen Punch? By the way, This is just 568 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 2: another side. 569 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 1: Oh I haven't seen it yet. No, it's great. Should 570 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 1: I see it? 571 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,879 Speaker 3: Oh it's not a show. It's about that monkey in Japan. 572 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 3: I'm only bringing in. 573 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I yes, And then oh, Punch, it's like 574 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 2: a sorority house. Have you did you see it. 575 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 1: We've got to rename the monkey. We've got to rename 576 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: it because it's just. 577 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 2: Listeners. 578 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 3: If you haven't seen it, don't look it up. My 579 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 3: daughter was so hysterical, crying for two days. I couldn't 580 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 3: get her out of bed. But the story in the end, 581 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 3: at least that's what I there showing me on TikTok 582 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 3: Punch is found his way, and girls, you will find 583 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 3: your way. He was rejected and rejected, but now he 584 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 3: has a friend. Maybe there's like there's a good it's 585 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 3: a good analogy somehow, I don't know, or maybe I'm 586 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 3: just you know, grasping its straws. 587 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 2: But before we lose. 588 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 3: You and I don't really really don't want to, but 589 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 3: will you tell us there any Is there any more 590 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 3: you could tell us about the Golden Bachelor, any secrets 591 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 3: or experiences or. 592 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 2: Anything that we wouldn't know. 593 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 1: I will say that to all of the girls who 594 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: are listening. You know, sisterhood is out there, whether it 595 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: has Greek letters on it or it is just where 596 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 1: you work, where you go to the gym, where you 597 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: have pilates, your running group, your church. All of those 598 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: are sisterhoods and they're all sororities, and I found a 599 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 1: new sisterhood surprisingly in the mansion. I came there to 600 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: find a man. And as Robin said in the final 601 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 1: Rows episode that or in the tell all, she said, 602 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: the real love story of our show is the women. 603 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: And so I found a whole news sorority set on 604 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: the show The Golden Bachelor. So just just be available 605 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: and aware. And I encourage everyone who is considering going 606 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: through Rush to absolutely go through with an open heart 607 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: and to find your sisterhood, Like, just go ahead by 608 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 1: then if it's it might be your second or through choice, 609 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: but in the end, it's going to be the best 610 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: place for. 611 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 3: You, don't you feel like, what like the Golden Bachelor 612 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 3: and Bachelrette, the first one, what's his name? 613 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 2: The first bachelor? 614 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 1: Uh chalk oh, chuck. You're talking about for Gary? Gary 615 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: was the first Golden Gary. 616 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 3: Yes, okay, so Gary, Okay, I can keep up. But anyway, 617 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 3: the men bonded and at right, and then you saw 618 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 3: them together and them talking about how they'd found this 619 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 3: brotherhood and you're talking about how through this experience you 620 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 3: bound these sisters and so and that feeling there's just 621 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 3: nothing like it, and that is the point of going Greek, 622 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 3: I think, right. 623 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: There's nothing like it, absolutely and it but but and 624 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: you'll find it throughout your life. Like I'm sure when 625 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: your kids were involved in sports for activities, I know 626 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: some of my other closest friends were people I sat 627 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 1: in the bleachers with for all those years, right right, 628 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 1: And you know, you just learn to knit your life 629 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: together with someone, and that is one of the blessings 630 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: of going through the bonds that you get in a sorority, 631 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 1: as you learn how to knit your life to someone 632 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: and you learn that that's safe. 633 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 634 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 1: Right, it's a good place. It's a great safety net 635 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: for us. 636 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 2: All Yeah, I love that. 637 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 3: You're amazing. Can't thank you enough. It's been fabulous to 638 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 3: have you on. And I think our listeners are really lucky. 639 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 3: I think they're gonna there's some really good stuff here. 640 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 3: So thank you, my friend, Thank you my new friend. 641 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 3: It's really great to connect with you. Thank you too. 642 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 2: Ah. 643 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 3: All right, guys, so we will see you next time 644 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 3: on another episode of Dirty Rush. Follow us on Instagram 645 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 3: and TikTok at Dirty Rush Podcast.