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Speaker 1: Almost Famous podcast with i R Radio. It's week three

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Speaker 1: believe this is the case. In his head, he might

429
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 1: believe he is such a gift to this world that

430
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 1: no matter if somebody even directly tells him, hey, take

431
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 1: a step back, or hey I actually don't want you here,

432
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,399
Speaker 1: I'm sick right now, I don't feel good, he believes

433
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 1: he's such a gift to this world, that his presence

434
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,639
Speaker 1: is better even if a person doesn't even recognize it.

435
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,679
Speaker 1: I didn't think about it, but now that you say it,

436
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 1: I feel like you're right because he said it right.

437
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,159
Speaker 1: I mean, he said the direct words. If she was

438
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 1: sick and in bed and she and I went over there,

439
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 1: even if she told me to leave, I would just

440
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 1: curl up in that bed next to her. That's so gross,

441
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:22,680
Speaker 1: that's so annoying. I can't imagine being more finding more

442
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 1: of a turn off with somebody who like won't let

443
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 1: me for my space when I asked for space. I mean, granted, hey,

444
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 1: I think Jessica is the best person in the world.

445
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 1: I adore that girl, Like every moment I get to

446
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 1: spend with her is a good one. I tell you

447
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 1: one thing, I've been sick around her. Once. I didn't

448
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,359
Speaker 1: wander near me, like though I didn't want her even

449
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,679
Speaker 1: close to me. It was honestly, I asked her go

450
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 1: to the other room, or just like, don't talk to

451
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 1: me all day. I'm tired, I'm sick, I need space.

452
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,959
Speaker 1: I just want to be weird and gross alone. She

453
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 1: did that, and it was a wonderful gift from her,

454
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,680
Speaker 1: and I appreciate her more for it. I also think

455
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,360
Speaker 1: Jessica realized it realized at that moment too that as

456
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 1: much as you know she is a gift to my life,

457
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: Like in those moments, she's not going to make my

458
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 1: life that much better other than maybe a little check

459
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 1: in do you need soup, do you need water or whatever.

460
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,199
Speaker 1: It's going to make me feel more self conscious and

461
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 1: that's the last thing you want that moment. And so

462
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,199
Speaker 1: there's two theories there. I think they might both. I

463
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 1: think they could both be true. What do you think,

464
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 1: Like he might like her that much and he also

465
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 1: believes he's that much of a gift. I think he

466
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 1: just thinks he's that much of a gift. Isn't it interesting?

467
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 1: I don't know if you talked about this yet. How

468
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 1: last week he said I'm starting to fall in love

469
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,199
Speaker 1: with you, and then this week he was like, you know,

470
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 1: I was about to leave earlier during the group date

471
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,640
Speaker 1: because I'm not in love with her. Like, wait, wait

472
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 1: a second. I know there's a different student being in

473
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 1: love and like starting to fall in love, especially on

474
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: the show, But you're telling me that within like three

475
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 1: days because you felt more of a heavy competition and

476
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 1: because you weren't getting one of the attention. Now you're

477
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 1: just ready to throw in the towel. Weird, right, And

478
00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 1: also like, is this how his life operating as? People

479
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 1: like that? And he might be like that this thing

480
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 1: could be just a lot for him, But how much

481
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: of emotional rollercoaster are you gonna take us through? Just

482
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: watching you? Like you're only three weeks in, We've seen

483
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 1: him falling in love, not falling in love, and wanting

484
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 1: to leave and being angry all in three weeks. Like,

485
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 1: I feel like I've known Luke p for a full

486
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 1: entire season at this point. That's true, He's gotten more

487
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 1: screen time than like anyone in three first episodes. And

488
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 1: did you talk about how you loved the fact that

489
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 1: Hannah totally put him in his place? Though, no, I haven't,

490
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 1: but I think it's I think it's fantastic, And I

491
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 1: want to talk about that as we break down the episode,

492
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 1: which we need to get into one last guy, because

493
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: I know we're not going to talk about as we

494
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 1: break down the episode Ash, but I want to bring

495
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 1: up selfishly, if you don't mind, I really liked Grant

496
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: Grants unemployed. He is the one that like took off

497
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 1: his shirt during the photo session. Definitely hasn't worked out

498
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 1: like as hard as the other guys, like not in

499
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 1: the greatest shape. But the dude is so chill. He's

500
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 1: so funny his facial reactions to things, like I was

501
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 1: watching last night with my buddies and they're like, that's

502
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 1: the guy I want to hang out with. Like that

503
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 1: Grant dude, he's just funny to me, Like he just

504
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 1: gets it. That's so funny. I didn't give Grant a

505
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: second thought when you said Grant. I had to You

506
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: had to say unemployed for me to be able to

507
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 1: put a face to the name. I mean, how much

508
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: confidence do you have to be to be unemployed? Coming

509
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: on a show and be so laid back and just

510
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 1: like cruising where I feel like Grant at some point

511
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 1: is going to pull out the popcorn when Luke p

512
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 1: or somebody's like self imploding and he's just gonna start

513
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: watching from a front row seat. He almost reminds me

514
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 1: of Tanner during our season of The Bachelor at because

515
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 1: Tanner was just the guy that had the up close

516
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 1: view of everybody, while at the same time he was

517
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: never kissing Kaitlin, he never had any death conversation with Kaitlin.

518
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 1: He was just watching. Yeah, anyway, can you believe that

519
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: that scene where tylet Luke gets into Garrett's face later

520
00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: on this season? It's weird to me, right, So I

521
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: don't get how to handle that, Like what do you

522
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: where do you think? Like do you think Garrett is

523
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,959
Speaker 1: in the wrong theory? No, we all know that Garrett

524
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: probably did nothing. Luke is just gonna lose it. He's

525
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: just going to continue to lose it every single week.

526
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 1: He cannot deal with this environment because I don't even

527
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 1: think he's a natural competitive person. He just wants to

528
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: be given the win. And I wonder, like, as a

529
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: personality trait, if that's common or like, you know, I'm

530
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: big into the indiogram actually, which you know, rach your

531
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,679
Speaker 1: personality one to nine. And there has to be something

532
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 1: that like Luke p at his best is just super passionate,

533
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: he has a huge purpose and he's super driven. But

534
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 1: it is worst I think we're seeing it now, is

535
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,239
Speaker 1: where he expects a lot but doesn't necessarily know how

536
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,640
Speaker 1: to work to get it or like knows the process

537
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: to get there or wants anybody else helping get him there.

538
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 1: And I feel like, right now, we're seeing luke at

539
00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: his worst. I think, I mean, it has to be

540
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 1: like he has to be at his worst right now.

541
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well no, he could get worse. I think

542
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: he can get worse. So here's the question for everybody

543
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 1: out there listening and you Ashley right, is is there

544
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: is Luke P have a redemption story like on Paradise

545
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 1: right He's a big muscular guy, Like he's obviously like,

546
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: you know, attractive, at least he told us he was, Like,

547
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 1: is there a redemption story for Luke P? Or is

548
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:28,959
Speaker 1: this kind of one of those scenarios maybe like the

549
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: Chads of the world, that we see Luke P kind

550
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 1: of leave the Bachelor franchise on a note that's confusing

551
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: a little bit weird, and that he definitely has never

552
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: showed us his best life because at this point we

553
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: haven't seen a side of luke P that at least Twitter,

554
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm reading right now, Twitter hasn't reacted positively

555
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: luke P yet. So being that, I'm going to go

556
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: ahead and assume he doesn't win this thing, I think

557
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: we're all praying he doesn't win this thing. So assuming

558
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: he's not winning this thing, I definitely expect him in Paradise,

559
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: So I don't think he's gonna be done with the franchise.

560
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: I think with Chad, Chad went to Paradise, probably was

561
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: hoping to redeem himself, but then just got into deeper poop.

562
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: And I think that the same thing is going to

563
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: happen with Luca. But then again, remember last year's villain

564
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: with Becca, it was Chris. And now Chris win to Paradise.

565
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: He still then' look the best in Paradise for the

566
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: first couple of weeks, and then he ended up getting

567
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: engaged to Crystal and now you know they're engaged, had

568
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: been together for a year. So it could be like that.

569
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: But I don't think that Chris. Chris was like just

570
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: such a self sabotager. But like Chris didn't evoke this

571
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: like super anger that he Chris was a villain to

572
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: himself kind of, Yeah, Chris is more of a villain

573
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,479
Speaker 1: to himself. Luke is more of a valaent to like

574
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: all of humanity. Yeah, and we, I mean we've always

575
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: said this, like I hope there's redemption here, Like we

576
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: I just hate to see what's happening, you know, with

577
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: the cams of the world. Cam's now gone, and I

578
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: felt like we never got to see a side of

579
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: him that Cam would want us to see. Um. Speaking

580
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: of that, actually, I promised our listeners that I would

581
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:18,719
Speaker 1: pause at this point and asked going back to Cam's story, like,

582
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: does he it was his leg amputated? I mean, I'm okay,

583
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: so what happened? So a year ago on his Instagram

584
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: he talked about how his leg was almost amputated, how

585
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: you had to have thirteen surgeries on it, how he

586
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: has lymphidema um. So they basically thought he was going

587
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: to get to the point of his leg needed to

588
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: be amputated, but then the doctors were able to like

589
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: fix it amazingly. Okay has a leg? It was definitely

590
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: unclear though based on the episode. Okay, yeah, I just

591
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: couldn't quite track it. But anyways, okay, ash Uh. We

592
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: decided we hope Lupe has redemption. We hope it happens

593
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: on this season, and if it doesn't, we hope it

594
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: happens on Paradise. I think Cam, um, we really wish

595
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: that upon him as well, because both people so far

596
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: as kind of more Yeah, I agree, but we we

597
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: you know, like both seem to be going down a

598
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: path of just like negativity and of like the public's

599
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: perception of them not being good and as a result,

600
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: like you never want that Cam doesn't. He doesn't. I

601
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: just don't think he knows right now how to handle

602
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: this thing well. And so we hope for redemption. We're

603
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: looking forward to seeing. I think that's mebe the storyline. Actually,

604
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: I'm most intrigued by going the rest of Hannah by season,

605
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: not only her love story and who she's connecting with,

606
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: but also does Luke p find redemption because right now,

607
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: according to Twitter, he needs it? And does Cam come

608
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: on Paradise at all? And we get to know Cam better,

609
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: we know that Cam is gonna definitely be on Paradise.

610
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: He's like a shoe in for Paradise. He reminds me

611
00:31:55,160 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: of David the Chicken. He's like this season, very nervous,

612
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: talked too much, talked himself into like problems, and now

613
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: I feel like he's going to go on Paradise and

614
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: be a lot like David and just do the exact

615
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: same thing over again. But I don't think he's a

616
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: bad guy. I just think he's nervous, and like that

617
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: appears in this environment on TV a certain way. I

618
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: also think we cannot move beyond Cam without talking about

619
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: who looked way worse than Cam, and that was Jonathan

620
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: when he interrupted Cam and he was like, no, it's okay,

621
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: I got it. No, I got you, Bro, I got you.

622
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: It's okay, it's okay, it's I got it. We're going,

623
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: We're going. I'm like, are you kidding right now? I

624
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: thought he was. I thought it was such a gross moment.

625
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: He physically he physically interrupted, like he got in between them. Yeah. Well,

626
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: I mean but at the same time, no, no excuses

627
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: for that. You thought, how would you so Jonathan should

628
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: have asked for time? Cam says, can I get two

629
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: more minutes? Jonathan then steps away politely and as for

630
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: those two minutes and not get like that's the way

631
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: to handle that. Yeah, okay, that's fair, I get it.

632
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: It was a weird moment to watch. I don't know,

633
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: I didn't quite I was kind of like more just

634
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: awkward for both people. Like I just felt like it

635
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: was odd. It was actually the first time that in

636
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: this season that I think Hannah hasn't stood up in

637
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: a situation. I was just saying that over at access.

638
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: I was like, this is the first time where she

639
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: wasn't like you guys, you're behaving so disgustingly, because that's

640
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: what I would imagine. It'd be like you gross stop right,

641
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: But that was the only time to let it go

642
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: for some reason. Yeah, it was weird. So I don't

643
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: know if it was just too much, too fast, and

644
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: she was more like sitting there entertained. Actually, these guys

645
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: are both going home and this is wild and weird. Um,

646
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: she could have because they both went home, But it

647
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: was the first time that I thought she didn't stand

648
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: up in a situation she should have or could have.

649
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: Would be my first critique of her. Um As, I

650
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: want to break down this episode, be broken down the

651
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: guys that stand out. I don't want um if you

652
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: don't mind leading us through this episode pointing out the

653
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: most important moments, because, as I said at the being

654
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: the podcast, Ashley Uh, for the first time in a

655
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 1: long time, I'm super engaged and intrigued by this season.

656
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: I think Hannaby is doing a great job. I think

657
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: the guys are not only interesting and um, I'm super

658
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: captivated by a lot of them, but I also just

659
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: believe that this story is just like the story of

660
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: Hannah Bey and her men are just now starting, and

661
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: so let's continue the next chapter, episode three with your

662
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: breakdown in my side comments right now. Alright, let's start

663
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 1: at the top of our notes. The first day is

664
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 1: with Jonathan Mateo, John Paul Jones, Kevin, Jed Tyler see

665
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 1: Mike and cam Let's push Our Love to the Limit

666
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 1: was written on the date card and there were special

667
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: guests Jason Biggs and his wife Jenny Mullen, who used

668
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: to be the co host of After Paradise, and what

669
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: they had to do on this date was changed. Some

670
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 1: baby diapers, wear, some fake baby bellies, soothed fake babies.

671
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 1: But then we got to the real fun of it

672
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: and they had to do a pregnancy simulator. Jade and

673
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: I are always talking about how we want Jared and

674
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: Tanner to do this. It's I think that every guy

675
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 1: should go through this, and they even say that, of course,

676
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: this can't really simulate the kind of pain that you

677
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: actually go through with labor um. So Kevin volunteered to

678
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: go first. He did, okay. John Paul Jones was dying hilarious,

679
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: like his facial expression. He's amazing. I can watch him

680
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: do anything. Is he amazing because actually, sorry to interrupt

681
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: you here, but is he amazing because he's like datable

682
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: and like you think women are like into him because

683
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 1: I don't know this side. Because he's a good looking

684
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 1: guy or handsome. He's actually underratedly handsome in this sponge,

685
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: I think, but I think because he is so silly

686
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: that he comes crosses like your best guy friend and

687
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: like the guy that you like to watch because he's

688
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: so entertaining. He's like the class clown. But I don't

689
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: know that he is showing himself in any way to

690
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: be like Nah's husband. Yeah, okay, fair enough, perfect Paradise character. Okay,

691
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: fair enough. I like that. I mean I just didn't know.

692
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: Because he is good looking, he is funny. I hear

693
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: people talk aboutim a lot, and I was like, do

694
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: you think in Paradise he has a hook up or

695
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: a relationship or is he just going to be everybody's

696
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: best friend and leave early? Um? I think he should

697
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,479
Speaker 1: bounce around so that we get to see him date

698
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: a lot of people, so we get to see as

699
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 1: much screen time from Jumpbols as possible. Um, let's see.

700
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: I loved Jed in that scene actually looked like they

701
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: were a couple about to have a child. Oh yeah, definitely,

702
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: it's it was so cute. There's like a lot of

703
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: emotion there, and then she pulled him away. First the

704
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: cocktail party, I know that, I know that she gave

705
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: Mike the rose there, but that was just one of

706
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: those group dates where she was like, I know, I

707
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: can't give Jed the rose again. But and I really

708
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: had a nice conversation with Mike. But Jed definitely is

709
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: the top of my list in this bunch. What do

710
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 1: you think so and this bunch as in this first date?

711
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: But un yeah, I think so. I mean, I think

712
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: Jed has some longevity to him. I don't I haven't

713
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: seen the charisma from him as much as just like

714
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: I think he's a kind guy. I think he's a

715
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 1: good guy, and he's a good listener, and I think

716
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: he intrigues Hannah. I haven't seen the kind of charisma

717
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 1: from him that maybe will be ever last thing on

718
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: this show. Like, I don't know if he's going to

719
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: show himself to Hannah enough. But yeah, he's definitely the

720
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: favorite of his first group. So Mike opens up about

721
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,240
Speaker 1: his past with his ex his ex got pregnant, and

722
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: he said that he was all in, you know, he

723
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 1: was totally excited to be a dad. The end up

724
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: using the baby in the in the second trimester. And

725
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: what I was so confused about this scene is I

726
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 1: feel like something either was interrupted out like cam In

727
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 1: truly interrupted the scene and we didn't get to see

728
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 1: We didn't get to see the conclusion of the conversation. Um,

729
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: Hannah just forgot to ask this question, or um it

730
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:26,439
Speaker 1: was added it out. But I was really wondering why

731
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 1: he blamed himself for the loss of the baby. He said,

732
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: it was my fault. I wasn't there enough that you know,

733
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: there's that that is a topic that obviously, like you said,

734
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: we just didn't see enough to like assume or even

735
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: make a sense want to make assumptions. But it was

736
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: definitely left open ended. I would my takeaway from that,

737
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: I could be completely wrong, was that he felt some

738
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: level of gil afterwards for the emotional support that he

739
00:38:55,800 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: was not giving during the struggle of pregnant pregnancy. Um.

740
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: You know, because as a man, you you don't feel

741
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,760
Speaker 1: the emotions of pregnancy as much, and you can distance

742
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 1: yourself if you choose to from it, and I wonder

743
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: if maybe he did because of other circumstances, and now

744
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: he's feeling a guilt and remorse from that um and

745
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: he's admitting it to Hannah, which it takes a big

746
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: man to admit a huge failure like that. That's my assumption.

747
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's true. Yeah, there's lots of

748
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 1: ways it could go. I do feel like he um

749
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: He expressed how excited he was for it, so I

750
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: wonder why he wouldn't have been there. You know, he

751
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: even said that he had this whole proposal set up

752
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: for anyway. Yeah, we we will possibly learn how learn

753
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: about that more later in the season, but for some reason,

754
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: feel like a doubt it's going to come up again.

755
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: We'll see um Camp pulls her aside all those zillions

756
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 1: of times during this date, and we already talked about

757
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: the whole Jonathan interruption. That is basically all I have

758
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: to say about that group date. Then we go into Connor,

759
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: who has the one on one of the week, and

760
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: I'm kind of excited that next week we get to

761
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: see two one on ones because big group dates two

762
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 1: of them an episode and get kind of overwhelming. But

763
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: Connor gets the group the solo date this week, but

764
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: she's not feeling good. It seems like she was like

765
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,399
Speaker 1: under some super high stress because I don't even think

766
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: that she was like sick with the flu or anything.

767
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: I think she was like extremely dehydrated. Um. So they go.

768
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: So they end up having a date at her hotel room,

769
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: and it was it was sweet. I actually think that

770
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: even if he was only there for about an hour,

771
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: they probably got to know each other more in that

772
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 1: hour just lying there in bed. Then they would have

773
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: gotten to know each other if they were on some

774
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: high adrenaline date. Do you agree, Yeah, yeah, you know.

775
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: In my opinion, to summarize this date, there wasn't a

776
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: lot here more than the fact that they got to

777
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: spend time together. He was super sweet. We saw that.

778
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: I think the key moment actually that I want to

779
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: talk about um and then we can move on to

780
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: the group day because there just wasn't a lot here.

781
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: It wasn't much. I don't have anything to say about

782
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: it is the fact that he was expressing. Why aren't

783
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: we giving him a hard time for expressing that he

784
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: is falling in love with Hannah by writing these notes

785
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: to her, Because we'll give Luke p Uh, some just

786
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: criticism for thank he was falling a letter to her, Yeah,

787
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: he let in a letter to her. He ended it

788
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: with love Connor, here are the things I love about

789
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: Love Connor is not the same as I'm starting to

790
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: fall in love with you. Really really, I signed love Ashley.

791
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: If like it's a friend, even if it's like like

792
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: a quint An acquaintance friend. Also like the things I

793
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,720
Speaker 1: love about you also not the same as I'm falling

794
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: in love with you. Yeah, I love you. Don't know, Yeah,

795
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: I get it. I I just saw it and I

796
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: was like, m I think we need to approach it. Finally,

797
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: we'll just bring it up. We know nothing about it.

798
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: Tyler g was sit home. We really don't know why

799
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 1: or how, but it is important to know if anybody's

800
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: wondering where in the heck of Tyler go? He's home now. Uh,

801
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 1: And we don't have a lot of context around that

802
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 1: to even speak on. Move it on now, Ashley to

803
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: group date number two with Dylan Garrett, Luke, p Grant, Lucas,

804
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:32,399
Speaker 1: Pete Devon, Joey, Um, Joey. Who is Joey. I'm sure

805
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: there is a Joey. I just truly don't know. I

806
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: don't know if I even know who I think. I

807
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: don't know who Joey is either. Um, that's probably not

808
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: this week, So that's why we don't know who. I

809
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: don't think, poor guy. That's always sad when you see

810
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 1: these guys on the show and they give up so

811
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: much time and then they watch every episode probably with

812
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: their families, like oh, I'm on the Bachelorette and oh

813
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 1: and then you watch you like I actually never said

814
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: a word. Um, like I know, like was never there? Okay? Um, Actually,

815
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,439
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to keep our listeners around

816
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: too much longer because I know we've we've overwhelmed them

817
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: with podcasts recently. So still see through this one. Um

818
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 1: there was It was an interesting day. The faster continues

819
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 1: to come back to the pictures of the animals thing.

820
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 1: I think it's funny, I think it's weird. I think

821
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: I think you could fast forward this part of the day,

822
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: this part of the episode, and you probably wouldn't have

823
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:33,240
Speaker 1: missed a thing. They even teased up the whole Demi

824
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: surveillance camera thing again, and I was very excited for

825
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 1: her to catch a guy, and I really I was

826
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: kind of dying for the drama of her catching luke

827
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: P saying something stupid, but they cut nothing. You could

828
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: have fast forward to this of teen minutes and not

829
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: lost the thing. I agree, No, I think you're exactly right.

830
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: So let's do it. Let's fast forward these fifteen minutes.

831
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: Say that it was funny, it's worth watching, it's entertaining. Um,

832
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: it's somewhat cute, but really we need to get down

833
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: to the nitty gritty, which is at the cocktail party

834
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: that evening or the after party, we see luke P really,

835
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:10,919
Speaker 1: I mean, all we get to really see is luke

836
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: Pe self employing. Obviously, we as we talked about the

837
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: beginning of the episode, we see pilot pete Um really

838
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: kind of crushing it and becoming a fan favorite. I

839
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: think favorite why you're like him? Agreed, Um, So let's

840
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: do that now, and then I want to talk to

841
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: you Ashley about just we've we've overdone it now, but

842
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: just where you think this goes from here? And then

843
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: let's move it into the tailgate party, because we've honestly

844
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 1: talked a lot about luke P and his self implosion

845
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: and why he's self imploding. But I do want to know.

846
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: I'm intrigued. Why do you think people are comparing me

847
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: to Pilot Pete? You have like a natural innocence about

848
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 1: you both, So I don't know if you, as a

849
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: guy like love. Do you like that? I don't think. So.

850
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: Actually have a mustache right now that I'm rocking from

851
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: a camping weekend, and I feel like it does allow

852
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: me to get a little bit tougher. So any innocence

853
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 1: I had last week is gone now because this mustache

854
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 1: makes me a bad boy. Okay, okay, you also have

855
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: some boyish charm. You have definitely the same type of

856
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: boyish charm. You have quite a physical resemblance. It's pretty crazy.

857
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:24,919
Speaker 1: He just has lighter hair than you. And then I

858
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: think that it's the way you both listen and engage,

859
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: because when you listen to somebody and and when you

860
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: ask questions, you like truly want to know, You want

861
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: to get deep, you want to know about them, You

862
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 1: really care. It's just something about the way that he

863
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: looks at her is kind of the way that you

864
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: would look at your girls, truly caring. Good listener. There

865
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: you go, So, I mean outside, that's really sweet of you,

866
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 1: and it's great to be compared to this guy, because

867
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: I do think he's he's carry himself well and I

868
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: do enjoy watching him. If he's the next Bachelor, I

869
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 1: think he's not there for it if he's not with Hannah. Okay,

870
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 1: I like, you know all the things you said, if

871
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 1: it's something that I have or not. There are kind

872
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: things and they're good things to have and and qualities

873
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: that I think we should all try to hold on to.

874
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: But I do think Pilot Pete, he said something that

875
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: stands out is the one character there in this season

876
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: that has other than Mike. I think Mike has done

877
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: a good job at this as well as really engaged

878
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: into getting to know Hannah well. And as a result,

879
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: it's fun for me to watch their interaction because I

880
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 1: learned more about Hannah during it, and I also learn

881
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 1: more about a guy that she I think doesn't even

882
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: know how infatuated she is with him yet, but I

883
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: think she's really infatuated. Yeah, he he won her over

884
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: last night. I think he became a front runner last night.

885
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: I can tell you when I talked to her during

886
00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 1: her week four of filming that she had rs in

887
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: her eyes talking about Pete. So I'm not like expoiling

888
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: or anything. Because I talked to her right after this

889
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: rose ceremony that we saw last night, and she just

890
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,959
Speaker 1: could not stop talking. She was like she could stop

891
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 1: talking about Peter. She had like other guys that she

892
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 1: was talking about. She told me that she was really

893
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 1: into Luke and Jed. No surprise there, but she said

894
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 1: that during week three Peter really um she he really

895
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 1: just like left her with a good feeling after that

896
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: week when he pushed her against that wall and made

897
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: out with her, it made quite a big effect. What

898
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 1: a move. Never failure to push somebody up against the

899
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: wall and just make out with them. Yeah, it's really

900
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: always a good when you're in a cordially dating relations

901
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: you can only go wrong. You can't go wrong with

902
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: it if it's mutual anyway. Actually, yeah, we need to

903
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:50,839
Speaker 1: move on now, because let's set up the scene here.

904
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: Hannah's had a huge week. There's been some sickness, some stress.

905
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: I mean, this is this is when exhaustion starts to

906
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: take over. Chris Saterson has the idea of hey, of

907
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 1: just like, hey, let's relax, Like, let's let Hannah kick

908
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 1: her feet up and rest and relax and enjoy a

909
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: time with her guys. And this is where I think Cam,

910
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: Um I said at the beginning of the podcast, and

911
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:17,720
Speaker 1: I want to hear actually, if you agree to disagree,

912
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: it's not the content of uh Cam's story that is

913
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: a little bit frustrating at all, because it's a it's

914
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: his story, and his story is powerful and it should

915
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: be told and should be told often. And it's the

916
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 1: context of when he told it that was a little frustrating,

917
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,919
Speaker 1: because it's a week that she's trying to relax and

918
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: he feels like he has his last ditch efforts, so

919
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: let's tell her a story. Um. And it just felt

920
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,879
Speaker 1: like the timing of this was sad because I thought

921
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: Hannah was really gonna have an evening just to rest

922
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 1: and have fun. It's always week three that these rose

923
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,240
Speaker 1: ceremony cocktail parties are canceled and there's a barbecue pool party.

924
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: Is this interesting? It's always weak three, um, Cam, Definitely.

925
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 1: I mean, what did you feel. I don't know if

926
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: you talked about this yet, but how do you feel

927
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 1: about him telling the group that he really wanted to

928
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 1: go first have his alone time with her and um

929
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 1: tell her a sad story or something very important about

930
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,760
Speaker 1: himself early on. How do you know about him claiming

931
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 1: the time I'm gonna I have a couple of buddies

932
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: like Cam. Um what I think Cam did? I think

933
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 1: his intentions were good. I think he was actually, like,

934
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: I mean, uh, maybe a self aware of person because

935
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: Cam is obviously self describing himself through this whole show.

936
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 1: So Cam and I aren't getting along if he came

937
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 1: on the podcast right now, I tell him, you self

938
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,879
Speaker 1: describe yourself like the Chicken man, like over and over

939
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: and over again. And as a result, we've got to

940
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:41,720
Speaker 1: confront that and talk about it. Like, I've got to

941
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: help him. I don't know if I can't help him.

942
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: I just got to help him figure this out because

943
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: self describing is not gonna work if I'm gonna watch

944
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 1: paradig But anyways, bad Ben. When he said I'm a

945
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: deep person and then he referred to MF my third person,

946
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: he referred to himself the person I'm a deep person.

947
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: I mean, nothing could make I mean you know that

948
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 1: everybody out there listening knows this. And I'm on my

949
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: couch like, oh, like stick to my stomach. But I

950
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: think what Cam should have said that the guys was, hey,

951
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: I have a story that means a lot to me

952
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: that it's made me and define me to be the

953
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:13,800
Speaker 1: man I am today, and the man I am today

954
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: is some one that Canada doesn't fully know yet, and

955
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 1: she doesn't know like the recent things I have gone through.

956
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 1: And as a result, gents, I would love the time

957
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 1: before the even this date even starts, to be able

958
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: to tell her about this, because I think it's only

959
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 1: fair to me and her that she knows this side

960
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 1: of me, because if not, I don't make sense unless

961
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: she knows this piece of me. I think it's how

962
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: he framed it by saying I want to tell her

963
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: a sad story, or even in his mind believing that

964
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: it's a sad story, because I don't know if it

965
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: is our stories and anybody that they're listening, your story

966
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 1: is not a sad story. There's pain in those stories

967
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 1: and their stories that aren't ideal. But your story is

968
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 1: one of power and one that you should stand on.

969
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,919
Speaker 1: It is your platform, and none of us should judge

970
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: you to the each other for the stories that we have.

971
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 1: And I think by him framing in this context of

972
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,240
Speaker 1: my story is a sad story or it's a sadder

973
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: story than most is where he went wrong. He definitely

974
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 1: messed up there, and I think there was a genuine

975
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: misunderstanding between him and Mike because Mike went on to

976
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: later tell Hannah that Cam wanted a pity rose and

977
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,359
Speaker 1: told the guys he was going for a pity rose.

978
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: But based on what we saw, he never said I'm

979
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 1: going for a pity rose. I think Mike just like

980
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: took his words and kind of formulated it into that

981
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 1: um but on. So I'm defending Cam there. But if

982
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,760
Speaker 1: Cam did truly want to talk about his lymphedema and

983
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,439
Speaker 1: the fact that he almost had his leg amputated, which

984
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: I think is an important story to tell somebody, you know,

985
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 1: early on in a relationship, I don't think he necessarily

986
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 1: had to add that his grandma passed away during you know,

987
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 1: the surgery time, and that he had to keep up

988
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 1: with ten months old puppy that he was raising. Like

989
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 1: that just made it seemed like he was trying to

990
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 1: tell us ob story for a pitty rose. But I

991
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 1: think that was just Cam and his word vomit. He

992
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: I think then in some way he was like, all right,

993
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: she may feel a bit more bad for me if

994
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: I continue with this part of the story and that

995
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 1: part of the story. But it also could have been

996
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 1: Cam word vomit. I don't know, trying to give him

997
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: benefit of doubt. Yeah, I mean I think that, like

998
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: you said that, he just gets overwhelmed, He gets jittery,

999
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,359
Speaker 1: he starts talking, and he doesn't know exactly what he's

1000
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 1: saying either way, Like cam story is one that does

1001
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: make him make more sense, Like it is a powerful story, UM,

1002
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: that we should know about him, especially if he's building

1003
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 1: this relation with Hannah. I just think it's when he

1004
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: told her was at one problem because it's at a

1005
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: tailgate party when she's supposed to be having fun. And

1006
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: I think it's how he told it that made it

1007
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 1: all As listeners go and and well, come on, Cam,

1008
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 1: like a little too much. Uh probably could have be

1009
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: framed up a little differently and what are you trying

1010
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 1: to get out of this? Um? And that's I think

1011
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 1: a big part of why he went home. It was

1012
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: too much, it was too weird. And now Cam has

1013
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:08,320
Speaker 1: gone along with Jonathan Joey Cam and obviously the tyler

1014
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 1: G who we don't know a lot about, is now

1015
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: out of the picture. UM. Ashley close up the podcast

1016
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: I love doing this with you starting about this week.

1017
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: Who's your top three? What's your grade for Hannah, and

1018
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 1: what's your grade on the entire season so far? My

1019
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: grade for the season is like a B two B

1020
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 1: plus and then my grade for Hannah as an I,

1021
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 1: and then my top three are Peter, Jed, and Well,

1022
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 1: I guess right now, I'm going to have to say

1023
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: Luke is ahead in Hannah's eyes. Oh that's surprising to me.

1024
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go saying grades as you do. In my

1025
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: top three, I've got to throw my boy Grant in

1026
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 1: there just I don't think you're gonna make it much farther,

1027
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 1: but I gotta give that guy some some maritime I

1028
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: get dude as a as a solid yere right now. UM.

1029
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 1: I do think Peter and Jeff Jet are definitely UM

1030
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 1: up there as well, so Ashley. I think it's a

1031
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 1: great breakdown, another good episode from Hannah by We're surprised, impressed,

1032
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 1: and in love with Hannah by um, and let's just

1033
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 1: keep pumping out. I told the face, I told the

1034
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:26,919
Speaker 1: listeners about all the in depth episodes we have coming

1035
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:30,359
Speaker 1: up that we already had. If you guys don't know

1036
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 1: the UM Hannah in Depth was released on Saturday, so

1037
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: go check that out, and last week we also released

1038
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:41,879
Speaker 1: the Caitlin Bristow in Depth. Those are two terrific ones

1039
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,839
Speaker 1: that you pulled off on your own, ash super talents. Hey,

1040
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: I gotta say, Mike's probably up there. I'm gonna take

1041
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 1: out Grant. I think Mike. I'm just looking at my

1042
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: notes here. I think Mike is definitely. We could slip

1043
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 1: Connor in there. Jeez, there's a lot of them right now. Anyways, Hey,

1044
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,959
Speaker 1: ash we gotta keep bringing down these guys. It's gonna

1045
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 1: be an interesting season in I'm gonna talk to you,

1046
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 1: Ashley keep I know you're a busy girl. You've got

1047
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 1: a lot of breakdowns to do, a lot of breakdowns. Um,

1048
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 1: So get out of here. Let's let's go and enjoy

1049
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:15,479
Speaker 1: another week during Bachelor's season with that. I've been been later.

1050
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 1: Follow the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcasts on

1051
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:23,239
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