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Speaker 2: Everyone.

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Speaker 1: In today's special episode of How Rude Tanneritos, we will

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Speaker 1: be discussing eating disorders and diet culture as portrayed in

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Speaker 1: the Shape Up episode. If these topics are triggering in

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Speaker 1: any sort of way, please feel the freedom to skip

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Speaker 1: this episode and we'll catch you next week. We invited

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Speaker 1: a holistic nutritionist and coach, Melanie Samuels, to join us

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Speaker 1: for this important discussion, and she has a really eye

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Speaker 1: opening approach to nutrition that helps people improve their relationship

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Speaker 1: with food. If you, or anyone you know is struggling

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Speaker 1: with disordered eating, we encourage you to visit the website

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Speaker 1: National Eatingdisorders dot org or call the National Alliances for

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Speaker 1: Eating Disorders helpline at one eight six six six six

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Speaker 1: two one two three five. Please be well and take

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Speaker 1: care of yourselves. We love you. Hello, Hey, what's up?

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Speaker 3: Hi?

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Speaker 2: What's up? Hey?

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Speaker 1: I'm feeling great? What I'm feeling great?

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Speaker 2: You are?

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Speaker 1: How are you feeling?

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Speaker 2: Hired?

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Speaker 4: Like? I?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's been it's been a it's been a busy

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Speaker 3: week and it's been one of those weeks where you're like,

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Speaker 3: I didn't like I did things, but I feel like

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Speaker 3: seventy percent of what took up my time was driving

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Speaker 3: to the things. Oh yeah, you know, yeah, especially it

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Speaker 2: To yeah, so yeah.

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Speaker 3: But I did get to volunteer some more this week

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Speaker 3: with the Baby List and nice helping support some of

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Speaker 3: the LA fire victims, which was really great, great, a

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Speaker 3: huge line, lots of people, got all kinds of stuff

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Speaker 3: that they really needed.

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Speaker 2: So it was it was, uh, it was a really

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Speaker 2: great day. Two days. Actually it was great two days.

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Speaker 3: But my back is definitely thinking otherwise because I you

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Speaker 3: know me, I'm like I jump in and I'm like,

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Speaker 3: you know what I should do? I should organize unloading

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Speaker 3: the trucks. So I was wondering slipping things.

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Speaker 2: On giant dollies from one floor to another. You have

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Speaker 1: Let you go and you lift everything.

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Speaker 3: But well it was like me and then like you know,

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Speaker 2: Why do I need to do that? But it was

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Speaker 2: very glad. I just like I like.

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Speaker 3: Jumping in and helping and like whatever. The thing that

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Speaker 1: Good for you. That's a good quality. Yeah, that's a

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Speaker 1: good I mean your back. They might not think so,

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Speaker 3: I definitely was like, oh, high forty three, how's it going,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, just tired a lot of stuff. I went

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Speaker 3: worked out hard today every day.

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Speaker 2: This one good for you. Pus the days that I've

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Speaker 2: I know, back hurts.

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Speaker 1: That's what happens you work out every day.

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Speaker 2: I know I've been working out every day. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I'm just I'll take the streak where I can get it,

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Speaker 3: because then it'll be I'll just be like, ah, okay.

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Speaker 1: Well And as we're recording this, it's January thirtieth. Why

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Speaker 3: Yes, and it does. It feels like, how are we

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Speaker 1: I mean, It does go quick, especially once you go quick.

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Speaker 1: But in the holidays, you know, Mother's.

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Speaker 3: Day and Father's Okay, no, no, no, no, no, no, I

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Speaker 1: I'm sure target is already selling like Fourth of July decoration,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've stocked up on my Halloween.

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Speaker 3: I'm putting it up right afterbr right after Valentine's Day.

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Speaker 1: So you know that's probably appropriate.

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Speaker 2: Forgive us the start on things, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Just really yeah, back to school Halloween style, you know,

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Speaker 1: Wear a costume on the first day of school. I

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Speaker 3: I think I think more people should wear costumes in

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Speaker 2: Yes, I think we should just.

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Speaker 1: This would be a great Like ice Breaker is, if

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Speaker 1: I don't know, whatever it is. You can just wear

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Speaker 3: You could wear a shirt with a turtle yes, on

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Speaker 3: a skateboard from from our from our merch. You could

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Speaker 3: great idea. But I it's a great idea for like

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Speaker 3: And I just imagine someone like my husband being told like, hey,

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Speaker 1: I quit, Oh, he would never he'd wear like a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he wears something, Uh, snarky and sarcastic. Which more credit. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but yeah, I think maybe we should just make everyone

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Speaker 2: Everyone dress up, dress up. No, I mean you can

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Speaker 1: Hey, don't challenge me, don't threaten me with a good time.

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Speaker 3: Give us a platform for a stupid idea, because we

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Speaker 1: We'll take it, we will run with it. Yes.

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Speaker 2: I don't know have we talked about that since it aired.

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Speaker 1: People apparently, I think they liked it. I think we.

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Speaker 3: We're not egot winners at this point, given the quality

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Speaker 3: But but yeah, it was I think people enjoyed our craziness.

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Speaker 3: Like it was we I think like they picked the

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Speaker 1: Was a lot. I'm confused just listening to you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it was a lot. But it was fun. Well.

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Speaker 3: Luckily the fan of Ritos know the shows, yes, so

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Speaker 3: So I'm really excited to get her take on that episode,

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Speaker 3: It's been so yes, I know it's been since our

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Speaker 2: Who has co hosted this show. Oh yeah, she did.

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Speaker 1: She co hosted an episode where I couldn't be there.

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Speaker 1: Reunion for us. Excited. I'm excited for this topic. I'm

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Speaker 5: Oh well, thank you so much for having me. I'm

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Speaker 5: so excited to be here. And just a heads up,

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Speaker 5: there are any potential interruptions, I apologize.

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Speaker 2: I was just about it. I was just about to ask.

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Speaker 4: How's the He's good.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, she's almost three and a half, which is so wild.

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Speaker 5: Time really does fly. But these preschool germs are no jokes.

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Speaker 1: It's when they're that little. Never just know.

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Speaker 4: It's like every you know, fair game, so making it,

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Speaker 1: If you need a time or you need to put

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Speaker 1: yourself in time out, you need to Yeah, just just

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Speaker 1: let us know it's no problem.

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Speaker 4: Thank you. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So tell us, Okay, we gave a little

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Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about the company you founded

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Speaker 5: Yes, So I am a certified nutritional therapy practitioner, which

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Speaker 5: is just kind of a fancy way of saying holistic nutritionist.

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Speaker 5: And I have my own private practice, but right now

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Speaker 5: I have been focusing mostly on Live Well, Lead Well,

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Speaker 5: which is the company that Melissa Coulier, Dave's wife. I'm

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Speaker 5: Except it was interesting Steph's character, and I thought this

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Speaker 3: Right, So that was sort of a side segument becomes

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, I did. I love stuff and her

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Speaker 5: And you know, she was comparing herself like you had said,

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Speaker 3: And the baby teas, yeah, the heroine chic yeah, you know, yeah,

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Speaker 3: You know me, let's go, hold on, I'm getting oes. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Is it like was it were those like laxatives or

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Speaker 1: was it like the dream was speak basically yeah, ye

444
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Speaker 1: speed okay, so people yeah, okay, but.

445
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Speaker 2: They were marketed as great a diet appetite.

446
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Speaker 3: You're like, well, yeah, that's that's the point.

447
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, so there we are. They're a wide variety

448
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Speaker 4: of those.

449
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Speaker 5: And then and then weight Watchers, you know, jumping to

450
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 5: the sixties. So weight Watchers was founded inteen nineteen sixty three,

451
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Speaker 5: and it was the first diet to actually provide before

452
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Speaker 5: and after photos. And so I think this is a

453
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Speaker 5: key piece in like where we got you know, how

454
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Speaker 5: did we get there in the eighties and nineties, because

455
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 5: we weren't really given the idea of here's what you

456
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:37,679
Speaker 5: look like now, and here's what you could look like

457
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 5: after you do this thing, right, and so we began

458
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 5: romanticizing that after photo, and people kind of took that

459
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,199
Speaker 5: to the next level because you don't know what that

460
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Speaker 5: after photo is going to look like. So what do

461
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Speaker 5: you picture? You picture this standard that we are being fed.

462
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Speaker 5: And I think that was a really key part in

463
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Speaker 5: diet culture because it did. To start, you started to

464
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:06,400
Speaker 5: see this desire for thinness and this sort of one

465
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 5: size fits all.

466
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Speaker 4: Sort of prototype of that.

467
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Speaker 5: So then of course big food kind of capitalized on

468
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 5: that and you started seeing South Beached diet and slim

469
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Speaker 5: Fast and all of these.

470
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Speaker 2: You know, remember Mom Susan Powder and her white hair.

471
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Speaker 2: Stop the insanity.

472
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Speaker 3: I mean that was, like, you know, it was everywhere

473
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 3: for Oprah was constantly like losing weight and gaining it,

474
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Speaker 3: and everyone would criticized, and then she'd lose it and

475
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Speaker 3: then she I mean it was we were just well.

476
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Speaker 1: Do you remember was it on her show she wheeled

477
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Speaker 1: out in on like a wagon the amount of weight

478
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Speaker 1: she lost, which I don't know if it was sixty

479
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 1: pounds eighty pounds of animal fat, like she rolled that

480
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Speaker 1: out onto the stage as the visual of just how

481
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Speaker 1: much weight she had lost. And that's just that image

482
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 1: just stays and stays in your head. Yeah, crazy, So anyway, sorry,

483
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Speaker 1: it didn't men, she didn't at all.

484
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Speaker 5: This is all relevant, So it's yeah, that was that's

485
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,439
Speaker 5: basically like the cliff notes of of I think the

486
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 5: trajectory that got DJ to actually opening that magazine. It's

487
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 5: like when in Devil Wars Prada when Meryl Streep explains

488
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 5: the evolution of her blue sweater. You know, so it's

489
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:17,719
Speaker 5: it is important to kind of think about like how

490
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 5: did we get here? And yeah, so that's what she

491
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:27,400
Speaker 5: was being fad what and it's so no, go go.

492
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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, it's so it's so relatable even

493
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Speaker 1: to Jody and I as we were watching that episode.

494
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Speaker 1: I mean, we're in our forties and we still feel

495
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Speaker 1: like when DJ says I don't like the way I

496
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 1: look like, that is so for so many women, so

497
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Speaker 1: many and it doesn't just women, anybody of any age.

498
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Speaker 1: It's just it's so relatable to want to make your

499
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: body look a different way. And in DJ's case, it

500
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 1: was to fit in because she was going to a

501
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 1: pool party where her friends were going to be and

502
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Speaker 1: she's like, I don't want to wear a bikini in

503
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Speaker 1: front of people unless I lose however much weight she

504
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:05,160
Speaker 1: wanted to lose, and it's it's relatable and sad, but

505
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Speaker 1: that's why this is such an important episode for for

506
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Speaker 1: people to watch.

507
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Speaker 3: I was gonna say that, you know, Kimmy was pretty

508
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 3: oblivious in this situation. We love Kimmy, but sometimes she's

509
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 3: a little unaware. She was very she was not helpful.

510
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 3: She was like this, I got the smallest bikini possible, right,

511
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:33,880
Speaker 3: But like, how could Kimmy or a friend at that

512
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 3: age maybe be a little more aware or ask the

513
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 3: right questions or you know, because I know, you know,

514
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Speaker 3: my kids have had friends and you know, struggled with

515
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 3: struggling with food stuff, and it's always they don't quite

516
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 3: know what to say.

517
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Speaker 2: Or how to support or how to be helpful.

518
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Speaker 3: And it is it's such a time of like different

519
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Speaker 3: body types, you know.

520
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Speaker 5: It is, it is, And I think that's an advantage

521
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 5: of this generation, right, I mean, something that I see

522
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 5: is like this, you know, And I don't want to

523
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 5: say assume that it's confidence, right because confidence can be

524
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 5: can sort of be a facade when we see it

525
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 5: on social media or whatever. But even just comparing like

526
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,640
Speaker 5: our home videos to like our choreographed spice girl dances

527
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 5: to like the tiktoks I see, I'm.

528
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Speaker 4: Like, Okay, this is the next level confone.

529
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Speaker 3: The play is my cousins and I used to put

530
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Speaker 3: on making up our own stupid songs and now I'm like,

531
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Speaker 3: these kids are putting on like full on music videos.

532
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Speaker 5: Yes, and so I think, you know, there is this

533
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 5: celebration of individuality now, which is great. But I think,

534
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 5: you know, as far as how Kimmy reacted and said like, oh,

535
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 5: I just need a donut, and you know, whatever you

536
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,880
Speaker 5: had said was was very funny. And I think it's

537
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,120
Speaker 5: also because that your food story wasn't a big part

538
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,199
Speaker 5: of your life. It was you know, it was not

539
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 5: something that you maybe consumed your thoughts like it did DJ.

540
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 5: And so I think now, you know, as a teenager

541
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,360
Speaker 5: to teenager, I think it's important to just maybe ask

542
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 5: more questions, you know, why do you feel like that?

543
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 5: And maybe yeah, point out those red flags, but not

544
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 5: in a way that's accusatory, because that can also be

545
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 5: you know, someone I personally had an eating disorder, and

546
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 5: you never want to feel like someone is accusing you

547
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 5: of something, even if you're still doing it right of.

548
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 3: Course, because you're just like no, no, how dare you?

549
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 4: And then exactly and then try not to provide a solution.

550
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 5: And I do think that that's important again kind of

551
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 5: back to the Becky's comments about a meal plan Jesse's

552
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 5: comments about, well, you just have to exercise.

553
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 4: And maybe just provide them a safe.

554
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 5: Space to express express their their needs. But if you

555
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 5: see like serious signs, then you know somebody does need

556
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 5: professional help.

557
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 1: Yes, Stephanie's the only one that saw the signs and

558
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: spoke up about it. You know, that was It's almost

559
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: as important an episode for Stephanie as it is for dj.

560
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

561
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 3: I mean it's a great sister episode about that. Sometimes

562
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,919
Speaker 3: when you really love somebody, you have to tell on

563
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 3: them in order to keep them safe.

564
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.

565
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 5: And then you know you saw the overconditioning at the gym,

566
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:28,120
Speaker 5: and I think that was another another really interesting thing

567
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 5: about like the extremes is a big sign, right, the

568
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 5: extremes of what you're seeing. You see the whole group

569
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 5: going to the gym, and everybody's sort of like having

570
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 5: fun with it, and that's what that's what health should be,

571
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 5: is fun.

572
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 3: If you can't wear suspender and you're to the gym,

573
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Speaker 3: I don't know what you're doing.

574
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Speaker 2: That's say.

575
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 5: The audios are like a whole other podcast episode.

576
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, it was so wild.

577
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: Jody and her suspenders at the gym.

578
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 3: Good, Well, you know, if I get a little crazy,

579
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 3: you know, on my my lead hard and falling down.

580
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 2: You got to hold those things up.

581
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: Yes.

582
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 5: And then also like the outfits that they got Michelle

583
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 5: to wear a side note, like having a toddler, I'm like,

584
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 5: how on earth did those girls just.

585
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 4: Roll with it?

586
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, the commentary that we have about

587
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 3: Michelle is basically on her own all the time and

588
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 3: manages to get herself dressed in these outfits and everyone

589
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 3: she walks into her room and everyone's like, oh my gosh,

590
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 3: I Michelle, Oh look at you ready, But you're like,

591
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 3: this kid has leg warmers, tights, a leotard.

592
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 2: You know, she has like.

593
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 4: A whole team working for her.

594
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 3: They and well when she's taking time off of her

595
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 3: you know, important therapy sessions that she's giving to every

596
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 3: adult in the house because Michelle really solves all the problems.

597
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Speaker 5: So oh my gosh. And when she went in on

598
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 5: that cake, that was also like everyone's reaction. I could

599
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 5: tell everyone was trying so hard not to laugh.

600
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, trying hard not to laugh.

601
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 3: Also at the absurdity of it, Like we're just standing

602
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 3: here and letting the toddler cawl on table the cake.

603
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 4: Okay, so good, joke's got to work anyways.

604
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 2: But yeah, the no, the and I was going to.

605
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 3: Say, like the the overconditioning and the overtraining.

606
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 2: I mean that's something that.

607
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:13,959
Speaker 3: We I've seen in people my age and adults, you know,

608
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 3: who are like, oh, I've got to you know, I

609
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 3: have to lose this weight in this amount of time,

610
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna absolutely push myself and kill myself to

611
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 3: do it. And you know, the body doesn't work that way,

612
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 3: like you might lose some water weight. But you know,

613
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 3: maybe we can talk a little bit about like how

614
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 3: why that doesn't work and why if you, you know,

615
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 3: want to keep.

616
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Speaker 2: Your body healthy, like doing stuff like these.

617
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 3: Crash diets and this overtraining and all of this really

618
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 3: actually doesn't help your body function at its best.

619
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Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, I think the first thing to kind

620
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 5: of explain is the concept of bio individuality, which I

621
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 5: think everybody needs to know what it is, because it

622
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 5: takes so much pressure off of you to think like, oh,

623
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 5: because if you've spent your whole life sayingle I've just

624
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 5: you know, every diet has failed me, nothing works for me.

625
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 5: Why because does this person do something and look like that,

626
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,719
Speaker 5: and I've tried it and it didn't work. So bioindividuality

627
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 5: is the concept that every single body is biologically different

628
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 5: and therefore requires different foods and different types of movements in.

629
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 4: Order to thrive.

630
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 5: And it really makes a whole lot of sense because

631
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 5: think about even just the three of us in this

632
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 5: zoom room, you know, think about where we came from.

633
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 5: They were all different places. So everybody has different genetics,

634
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 5: different ancestry, different environmental factors. Some people are living closer

635
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 5: to you know, certain things that could be sparking histamine reactions.

636
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 5: There's also lifestyle factors, you know, do you how active

637
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,479
Speaker 5: are you? What is your stress level? Like all of

638
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 5: those things. It's not just food and exercise. All of

639
00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 5: those things factor into how your body processes, processes everything.

640
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 5: And so once you understand that you are uniquely you

641
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 5: and different and therefore require different things, you can kind

642
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 5: of take yourself out of this, like check all of

643
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 5: these boxes in order to be healthy. So I think

644
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 5: it's about finding what works for you, and a lot

645
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,719
Speaker 5: of that requires you to listen to your body and

646
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 5: to respond to the cues that it's giving you. So

647
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 5: so much of diet culture tells you to ignore the

648
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 5: signs that your body is giving you, whether that be

649
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 5: hunger you know, oh I'm not supposed to be hungry,

650
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 5: or I'm going.

651
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 3: To dread a lot until this time, right, yeah, exactly,

652
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 3: or even fads like intermittent fasting.

653
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:43,959
Speaker 5: You are following these rules and ignoring maybe hunger at

654
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 5: nine am, you know.

655
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 4: And so I think.

656
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 5: It's again just important to understand what your body is

657
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 5: telling you and do that eating when you're hungry. And

658
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 5: sometimes it's the simplest things that I will tell people

659
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 5: and they're like, oh, yeah, I guess I should be

660
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 5: eating when I'm hungry and not waiting until.

661
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 3: Well, I know, when I wait, I make really poor

662
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 3: food decisions, Like if I'm a little bit hungry, I'm like, oh,

663
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 3: I could have something good for me. The hungrier I get,

664
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 3: the more I'm like, I don't care what it is, fried, whatever,

665
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 3: just shove it in my face.

666
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 2: I'll eat it, you know.

667
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 3: And it's like keeping your body to sort of that

668
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 3: regular like routine.

669
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 2: And I mean yesterday I was like, I don't think

670
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 2: I've eaten in eight hours.

671
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 4: You know.

672
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 2: It's like not a good Dame day, I know, but

673
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 2: it was like going all over.

674
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 3: Sorry I had to tell myself, but it was like

675
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 3: one of those days and I was like, oh, yeah, this,

676
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 3: you know, I this is not how I like to

677
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 3: routinely treat my body.

678
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's that's just a result of low blood

679
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 5: sugar and when we when we wait too long to eat,

680
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 5: our blood sugar dips and we become shaky and irritable.

681
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 4: And that's where that hungry term comes from.

682
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 5: And our body just craves quick car quick carbohydrates and

683
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 5: usually the form of exactly French fries. So not that

684
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 5: French fries can't exist in a in you know, a

685
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 5: healthy week, but yeah, so it's it's about finding what

686
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 5: works for your body and like I said, listening to

687
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 5: your cues and eating a wide variety of things, you know,

688
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 5: lots of different colors on your plate, and always making

689
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 5: sure you know you have a source of protein and

690
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 5: it doesn't have to look like a like a chicken

691
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 5: breast with steamed broccoli.

692
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 4: You know, we're not going for that.

693
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 3: Yeah. Beggy's suggestion was like, no, just some boiled chicken

694
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 3: and some white rice, and I was like, no, no,

695
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 3: thank you. Steam right, I might as well have an

696
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 3: ice pop with all that flavor. You know, it's just

697
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 3: not I mean, don't don't. I'm not suggesting that, but

698
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 3: I but like, you know, there are That was the

699
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 3: one thing that I really learned when you and I

700
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:49,760
Speaker 3: were working together was like, healthy food can still taste great,

701
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 3: and you can still get the little cravings that you

702
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 3: want if you're willing to kind of swap out this

703
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 3: for this, or make a substitution, or make it dark

704
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 3: chocolate instead of milk chocolate, well you know whatever it

705
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 3: might be.

706
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 2: Like, Yeah, I learned so much of that from you.

707
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 2: And colorful food, yeah, and that food.

708
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 5: There are some good beige foods, but exactly what you said,

709
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 5: figuring out, you know, what do you enjoy to eat

710
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 5: and how can we make that a little healthier. And

711
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 5: then when you do want to have, like when you

712
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 5: want to go to the restaurant and have like the

713
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 5: real deal, the best form of it, you do that

714
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 5: with intention and you enjoy it, and you're not in

715
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 5: your head the whole time, and you don't allow your

716
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 5: decisions tomorrow to be dictated by that meal. You know,

717
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 5: just just be in the moment and enjoy it and

718
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,399
Speaker 5: surround yourself with people that you love.

719
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 4: When you eat.

720
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 5: You know, that's another thing I think, you know, back

721
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 5: to your question about like what friends can do, what

722
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 5: family can do, is just make make eating a happy thing,

723
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 5: and whether that means cooking more together in the kitchen

724
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 5: or just trying to have more family meals or friend

725
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 5: meals where you're having meaningful conversation, and that's associating a

726
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,280
Speaker 5: positivity with that meal, because if you ate that meal

727
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 5: by yourself after a really hard day and you are

728
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 5: just in your head the whole time, your body is

729
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 5: going to process that meal very differently than if you

730
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,800
Speaker 5: were relaxed and you were.

731
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 4: You know, in the moment and really enjoying it.

732
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 3: I find too, I tend to stuff my face less

733
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 3: and eat past the point of being stated when I

734
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 3: eat like alone, or when I wait too long to eat,

735
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 3: like you know, I have a much healthier like Oh no,

736
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 3: I think I'm actually like listen like you said, listening

737
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 3: to those body signals where you're like, oh no, I

738
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 3: actually I'm done. I only ate like half of this

739
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 3: and I'm full. But sometimes left to my own devices,

740
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, my taste.

741
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:51,919
Speaker 2: Buds are bored. They need more.

742
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 4: Yeah.

743
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like how you mentioned intentional eating, because I

744
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: think we tend to get into habits of like, oh,

745
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: it's late at night. You know, dinner was a few

746
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: hours ago, but I'm going to sit on the couch

747
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: and watch a show and eat my comfort food, whatever

748
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,240
Speaker 1: that is, if it's chips or ice cream or whatever.

749
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: What's your advice for like breaking that pattern? Or I

750
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: don't know what's the solution to that. Like if someone says, well,

751
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: you know, I Automi crave ice cream at nine o'clock

752
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: every night, what, like, what's your advice for that?

753
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 5: I think it's about really thinking about why you're making

754
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 5: that choice a lot of times and I hear that

755
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 5: same thing, ice cream at nine right, and listen, when

756
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 5: we're watching Netflix, we want something to eat, Like that's

757
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 5: it's it's a nice ritual, and I can I can

758
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 5: fully admit that, but I think it's important to realize, Okay,

759
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 5: why am I doing that every night?

760
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 4: Is it because it's what I do? Is it because

761
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 4: I've been restricting myself during the day in order to

762
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 4: do that at night?

763
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 5: Is it because I'm stressed and that's my time to

764
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 5: feel okay? And once you identify the root of a

765
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 5: habit like that, it can be easier to I don't

766
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 5: want to say break the habit because breaking the habit

767
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 5: has such a negative connotation and negativity about like.

768
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 4: Well, that makes ice cream bad and it doesn't.

769
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 5: It's taking the idea of it and why you're doing

770
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 5: it and maybe making that a little different. So if

771
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 5: it's simply a restriction thing, that could be affecting your

772
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 5: blood sugar and therefore you actually are really hungry and

773
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 5: craving that, so can you eat more during the day

774
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 5: and maybe eat more balanced during the day so that

775
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 5: after dinner you feel more satisfied and maybe you physically

776
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 5: won't crave that at nine, or maybe it's something you

777
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 5: do like on the weekends, because that becomes a more

778
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 5: of a special tradition. So in asking yourself, am I

779
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 5: even enjoying this? And I know that was something that

780
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 5: Jody and I worked on a lot, is just to

781
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 5: stop and pause, like do I even want this?

782
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 4: Or am I just doing this? Because this is what

783
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 4: I do.

784
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 3: I constantly go to the pantry and I'm like, am

785
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 3: I hungry?

786
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 2: Or am I bored? And a lot of times the

787
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 2: answer is I'm just bored.

788
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 3: Like I literally am like just kind of in the

789
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 3: house and I'm like, I guess I'll go eat a cookie,

790
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 3: you know, like it's and it's never like, oh, I

791
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 3: think I'll go have a cucumber, you know.

792
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,240
Speaker 2: Now it's like I'm bored.

793
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 3: Therefore I want sugar fat some sort of you know,

794
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 3: something to entertain my brain and taste buds. And so

795
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 3: many times when I just pause and ask that question,

796
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 3: like you actually don't, I don't.

797
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 2: I'm not really hungry for you know, a bowl of

798
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 2: Swedish fish, yeah, and maybe three or four balance yeah.

799
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it puts you in the driver's seat.

800
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 5: I think people feel out of control, and it seemed

801
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 5: that DJ was feeling out of control in this whole episode.

802
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: You know.

803
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 4: It's like I like, I don't make these decisions. These

804
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 4: decisions are made for me.

805
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 5: And that when you when you feel like you're in

806
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 5: control and you feel like you are are intentionally and

807
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 5: mindfully making choices, you might make choices differently.

808
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 4: And I think that's just something to to sort of

809
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 4: keep in mind.

810
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, trying to think of other shows around that time

811
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 3: that did any you know, I feel like that was

812
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 3: probably Facts of Life or so, you know, at some

813
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,439
Speaker 3: point the shows did uh, other ones, But I'm trying

814
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 3: to think of any others that really dealt with like

815
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 3: a young teenager kind of going through this, because.

816
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 2: I thought that was really like it was.

817
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 3: It was a difficult subject to sort of talk about,

818
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,479
Speaker 3: you know, and to do it in the right way.

819
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 3: And I you know, of course, thirty plus years later,

820
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 3: we're like, well, this should have been the way you

821
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,879
Speaker 3: handle it. But where do you think we've gone as

822
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 3: far as like going from the diet culture of the

823
00:40:56,040 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 3: nineties to now the we were kind of in the

824
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 3: like everybody's great whatever, and then we found ozempic and

825
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 3: then everyone's.

826
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 2: Like, oh wait, finally the magic thing.

827
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 3: Do you see us and you know, of course mentioning

828
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 3: social media, but do you see us kind of going

829
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 3: backwards a little bit?

830
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 2: Or are are we having more.

831
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 3: Realistic conversations about it, like in your line of work?

832
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 2: What do you think?

833
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's a really great question, and it's I

834
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 5: feel like a very complicated answer because it's nuanced. But

835
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 5: I do think.

836
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 4: We're sort of experiencing both.

837
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 5: I like I had mentioned the pendulum, I think the

838
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 5: ozempic craze has definitely swung the pendulum in the other direction.

839
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 5: Obviously this drug is used for people who have underlying

840
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 5: conditions and there is a need for that.

841
00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 4: I think the problem.

842
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 5: Becomes when it becomes a solution for then for so

843
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 5: many people, and now again we're kind of back to

844
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 5: the quick fix and not figuring out what our body

845
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 5: needs to thrive and something that we can maintain.

846
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 4: For years and years.

847
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 5: But on the other hand, if we weren't, if we

848
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 5: weren't looking for quick fixes, the diet industry would implode,

849
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 5: and there's so much money there, so it's so complicated.

850
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 5: But I do see so much more body positivity language

851
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 5: in TV now. You see many more different body types

852
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 5: being cast, which is great, and you also just see

853
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 5: a little bit more conversation about eating disorders and just

854
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 5: kind of putting it out there and even us having

855
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 5: this conversation today.

856
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 4: It definitely isn't tiptoed around.

857
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 5: Maybe like it was when that episode was made, when

858
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 5: the Full House episode was made. But I think social

859
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 5: media has also taken us backwards with that because of

860
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 5: the way in which we're able to curate things and

861
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 5: edit things so much. Like obviously tabloids and fashion magazines

862
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 5: were edited in their own way, but now we scroll

863
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 5: and for a young mind, they're not going to say, well,

864
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 5: I think that's edited, right.

865
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 4: You know, my kids never thought.

866
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 2: They were like no, but they look so good. I

867
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:25,919
Speaker 2: was like, that is not real.

868
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 3: Look at that's not even look at the way that

869
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 3: the picture goes.

870
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 2: In the background. That's not a real human you know.

871
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 3: But you can't you can't tell them that because they're like, no,

872
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 3: everything is real, right.

873
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 4: And the filters too.

874
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 5: I mean again, looking at our photos from teenage years,

875
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 5: I'm like, we did not have filters.

876
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 3: No, no, so so I yeah, it's I hope that

877
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 3: we continue to go in.

878
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 5: I mean, I hope that a path to more of

879
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 5: a balanced way of looking at it and more of

880
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 5: a celebrating everybody's uniqueness is out there. But I think

881
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 5: it's it's just going to take a long time. And

882
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 5: it goes back to everybody's individual story around food and

883
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 5: what you're going to do with that, how you're going

884
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 5: to identify that, and how you're going to work on

885
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 5: that in your own way that works for you.

886
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 3: Got it? Yeah, I mean food is one of the

887
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:29,800
Speaker 3: hardest things to sort of regulate and keep balanced because

888
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:34,280
Speaker 3: you know, there's emotional eating, there's you know, all sorts

889
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 3: of things that we use food for that have nothing

890
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 3: to do with running our bodies. And it's one of

891
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 3: those really complicated things. It's not like you cannot eat right,

892
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 3: you have to eat. So it's a constant thought that

893
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 3: you want to make, not a constant thought. And you know,

894
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,879
Speaker 3: like there's so much, like you said, nuance and sort

895
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 3: of balance to it, and different people struggle in different

896
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 3: ways and with different severity of it, you know. I know,

897
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 3: for me, it can be easy to be like, oh,

898
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 3: just you know, I'll have a cheeseburger and some fries

899
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 3: and then like you know, go work out or whatever,

900
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 3: and like for some people that works, and for some

901
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 3: people it doesn't. And it's all about being like, well, okay,

902
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 3: how do we support each other in our food journeys?

903
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 5: Totally, And I think we have also a unique challenge

904
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 5: in this country with the fact that our culture is

905
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 5: so fast paced and so hustle first, that we have

906
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 5: created all of these convenient options that people sometimes feel

907
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 5: like they have no other choice but to indulge in

908
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 5: because the availability. But you go to other countries and

909
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 5: you don't see that people are eating more locally, they

910
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 5: are taking more breaks to actually sit down and eat.

911
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 4: It's why you see cafe or.

912
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 3: They have a three hour meal and it'll you know,

913
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 3: and they're like no, no, no, sit relax right We're like,

914
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 3: are we done?

915
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 2: We go get the jacky righty.

916
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 5: It's just a different way, it's a different culture, it's

917
00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 5: a different way of a different set of priorities, and here, unfortunately,

918
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 5: food is not a priority for a lot of people,

919
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 5: and that sort of perpetuates this struggle of how am

920
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 5: I going to how do I know what's a healthy

921
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 5: meal when I have all of these options, in all

922
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 5: of these ads being thrown at me that I could

923
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 5: just eat this and be thin. So it's complicated.

924
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you could rewrite the Shape Up episode and

925
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: air it today, what changes would you make in that episode?

926
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: Not to put you on the spot, but I have

927
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: an answer to this too, So.

928
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 2: That's a really just like hold on, let me get

929
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 2: my script that I wrote. Now. I've been waiting for

930
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 2: this moment for years now.

931
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 5: I mean, gosh, I did have a notebook out when

932
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 5: I was watching it, and I did cry at the end.

933
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna lie, but the crying was like, oh,

934
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 4: for a.

935
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 5: Lot of reasons, but still I was just like, man,

936
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,760
Speaker 5: this really got me. First of all, I wouldn't rewrite

937
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 5: Steph's part because again I was like, very proud of

938
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:04,280
Speaker 5: her and just for like, you know, speaking up and

939
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 5: just being concerned. I would, certainly, I think the most

940
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 5: the most part, and this is just because I'm a

941
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 5: parent now, is to rewrite the adult script, you know,

942
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 5: maybe having more of a check on how they talk

943
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 5: about their own bodies, right, because the transfer of stress

944
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 5: from adults who child is real, and especially when it

945
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 5: comes to food, and so I think I would.

946
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 4: I would rewrite how they explained.

947
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 5: What healthy is and how and how to obtain that,

948
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 5: and to also celebrate her for who she is before

949
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 5: any changes more.

950
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 4: So, that's that's the main thing.

951
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm trying to think of specific he told me,

952
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 5: I would have come with a full stress.

953
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I kidding. I wish they had made Kimmy well,

954
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: not so oblivious, but I wish they had at the

955
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 1: end or maybe throughout. Okay, I haven't really thought through

956
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: this yet, but I wish they had at the end

957
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 1: revealed that Kimmy also feels self conscious about her body too. Yeah,

958
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 1: I understand the point of Kimmy. It was to be

959
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: held up as, oh, Kimmy's skinny. Kimmy has the perfect body,

960
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:27,280
Speaker 1: and DJ wants to look like that. But I felt

961
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:31,280
Speaker 1: so uncomfortable being that thin as a fourteen year old girl.

962
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: For as much as you know, Candae was self conscious

963
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 1: about her chipmunk cheeks, I was self conscious about how

964
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: skinny I was on my chicken legs because that didn't

965
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: feel right either. And so you know, Kimmy's confident and

966
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: she's oblivious. But I wish they had kind of revealed

967
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: at the end that, you know what, Kimmy is just

968
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: as insecure as DJ too. It's just that Thinness was

969
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 1: held up as the prototype to you know, the dream

970
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: to achieve, and it's like, no, it's not. You know,

971
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: everybody feels self conscious about something, even though you look different.

972
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would have been a really great moment to

973
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 3: see because I think it would have kind of leveled

974
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 3: the playing field and reminded DJ and the audience that, like,

975
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 3: nobody escapes from this sort of you know of self consciousness,

976
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 3: and you know, whether you're skinny, or whether you think

977
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 3: you're not the right body type or whatever, Like we

978
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 3: all stand in the mirror.

979
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 2: And go, oh, I wish this was different, you know.

980
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's hard, but yeah, that would have been

981
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 3: a great addition if Kimmy was like you think, I like, yeah,

982
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 3: I don't. This is weird for me too, like I

983
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 3: don't look like you know, these other super model types

984
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 3: like you know, and that's everybody's experience.

985
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:46,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love that too, and it's so true.

986
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 5: I mean, I think teenagers also they compare themselves to

987
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 5: what's closest to them and sometimes that that is your

988
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 5: closest circle of friends, and I can relate. And my

989
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,240
Speaker 5: best friend and hig school was like very similar body

990
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 5: type to Kimmy, like very very skinny, and I remember

991
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 5: I was like, she has that all.

992
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 2: But there were.

993
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 5: Conversations looking back that I remember where she she had

994
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 5: other insecurities And it doesn't have to be weight, right,

995
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 5: it's like whatever. Like for DJ, the weight was was

996
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 5: the was the front and center of her insecurity.

997
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 4: But like you said, it was something completely different for you.

998
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 5: And we are our own worst critic, and well, boy,

999
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 5: everybody has something going on, right.

1000
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 3: Oh man, Yeah, the worst Roger and Ebert in my head,

1001
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 3: that's for sure.

1002
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 2: Terrible reviews.

1003
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,839
Speaker 1: Well, I also think about the the teenagers or the

1004
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: young girls that were watching this episode back in nineteen

1005
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 1: ninety and just thinking, you know, anytime Candice watches some

1006
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 1: old episode and she's like, oh, I can't watch that

1007
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: episode because I just, you know, I look I hated

1008
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 1: the way I looked, and I'm like, but so many

1009
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 1: girl looked up to you, you know, and thought that

1010
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 1: DJ is who I want to be, you know, And

1011
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: there was nothing wrong with her. She was not overweight,

1012
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 1: she wielling, she had nothing to change. But by doing

1013
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 1: this episode and DJ revealing you know, my chipmunk cheeks

1014
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: or you know, whatever the words were that she used,

1015
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: and thought, what message is that sending to the girls

1016
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 1: at home that want to look like DJ? Right, it

1017
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: just breaks my heart.

1018
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, me too.

1019
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 5: I have a question for you too. Do you remember

1020
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 5: conversations like did anybody think like, wow, this this episode

1021
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 5: is making me think about myself? Or what were the

1022
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 5: conversations like as a kid on set during that time.

1023
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 3: I know, because I also was kind of like Andrea.

1024
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 2: I was like little twig person for a lot of

1025
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 2: my youth.

1026
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 3: I think that was also a dynamic between probably the

1027
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 3: three of us, between you and me. You know, it

1028
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 3: was like that was something I think that also probably

1029
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 3: affected Candice and that I you know, and I definitely

1030
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 3: felt where I was like, oh, this is just you

1031
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 3: know again like kind of who I you know, you're

1032
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 3: just sort of that's just the body I got. But

1033
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 3: I don't remember having like specific conversations, but I definitely,

1034
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 3: you know, you feel sort of the like, oh, well,

1035
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 3: you know, it's you're a you know, chicken legs or

1036
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 3: you're the you know, and and as a kid, you

1037
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 3: don't necessarily pick up on it, but you do sort

1038
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 3: of feel like, oh, I there's something here that I

1039
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 3: don't yeah that like maybe we're comparing each other or whatever.

1040
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: I never spoke up about it. I didn't speak up

1041
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: about how uncomfortable I felt in some of the costumes

1042
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: that were form fitting, or my uncomfortability with my thinness

1043
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: and in this in this case of this episode, it's

1044
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 1: because I had a role to play, and it was

1045
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 1: Kimmy being the thin one that DJ aspired to be,

1046
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: and so I'm not going to be like, wait, what

1047
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: about me? You know, I'm not comfortable with this. I

1048
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: didn't speak up because I wanted to be, you know,

1049
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: a team player and this happened like like a seasons later,

1050
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: there's an episode where Jesse has a dream sequence where

1051
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: he's balding and he's got a pot belly and he's

1052
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: in a he's like a mechanic in a shop, right,

1053
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: and he's married to Kimmi Gibbler, who now looks like

1054
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,840
Speaker 1: Peg Bundy with that little you know that little The

1055
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 1: outfit the cinched wasst still, the high heels and the

1056
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: leopard skin top, and it was so form fitting. I

1057
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: remember doing I came out. The producers wanted to do

1058
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 1: like a fit check, like they wanted to see what

1059
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: I looked like with this outfit on so they could

1060
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: make changes if necessary. And so I remember walking out

1061
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: into the living room set in front of all of

1062
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 1: these writers and producers and then looking at me and

1063
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: feeling so self conscious about it because people asked my

1064
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:52,879
Speaker 1: mom after that, they said, is there a problem? Does

1065
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 1: Andrew have a problem with anorexia? And I felt so

1066
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:00,399
Speaker 1: bad about myself because I'm like, great, I can't control weight,

1067
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: I can't eat more like, I don't want to look

1068
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 1: this way, but I do, and now people think there's

1069
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:08,800
Speaker 1: something wrong with me, and asking out of genuine concern

1070
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: you know is is andre Anarexik. I think there was

1071
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: even a rumor on the internet at one point that

1072
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 1: I died of anorexia, and I'm like, no, I was

1073
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: just a gangly teenager. I was just a little you know,

1074
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:24,839
Speaker 1: I was just a little rail thin squirt. But yeah,

1075
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: I felt really uncomfortable and I never spoke up about it.

1076
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: I never spoke up about it because I felt that

1077
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: I also felt that because thin equaled good and not

1078
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,800
Speaker 1: thin equaled bad, I'm like, well, what, I can't speak

1079
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 1: up because I am what people are aspiring to be.

1080
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,959
Speaker 1: I don't know. It was just a weird, a weird mind,

1081
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: to be honest, and really it really was. With all

1082
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 1: the mixed messages.

1083
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't you know, we've talked about too

1084
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:53,879
Speaker 3: like I don't think any of the producers, I think

1085
00:54:53,920 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 3: everyone really did try to have these conversations as delicately

1086
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:04,359
Speaker 3: that they're never easy, and it's not easy when it's

1087
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 3: amongst your family, you know what I mean, let alone,

1088
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 3: You're like, I'm a teenager and I'm gonna go out

1089
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 3: and stand there and have people comment on it.

1090
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 2: Does this look right? Is this too tight? Is this

1091
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,280
Speaker 2: that you know? And it still happens.

1092
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 3: I've done many a movie where you know, I've come

1093
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 3: out and they're like, we need to I don't know

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00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 3: is the sweater or too tight and you're literally standing.

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Speaker 2: There like.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so we're just gonna have like a conversation like

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Speaker 3: I'm not here about how I look like.

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Speaker 2: It's a weird. It's a weird business to be.

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Speaker 3: In at any age to feel sort of picked apart,

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Speaker 3: but to do it as young teenagers when you feel

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Speaker 3: like you don't there's no winning.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's true, and I don't think people are

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Speaker 5: equipped to approach the subject. It has become such a

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Speaker 5: taboo thing. But that reminds me of I think what

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Speaker 5: also can perpetuate this problem is, you know, everyone has

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Speaker 5: that relative where you go to a to a holiday

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Speaker 5: and they the first thing that they say is something

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Speaker 5: about your weight, whether you've lost weight, you've you've gained weight,

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Speaker 5: you know, And sometimes it's it's a cultural thing. Sometimes

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Speaker 5: it's just that that's an insecurity that they have. But

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Speaker 5: those comments start to add up for people. And even

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Speaker 5: just hearing you ladies talk about what it's like in

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Speaker 5: a fitting. You sometimes can brush it off, but those

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Speaker 5: can those can sort of stick too, worse sponges and

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Speaker 5: the words that people speak to us matter. And if

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Speaker 5: someone says, if a relative says that to you one year,

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Speaker 5: the next year, you're going to be waiting to hear, well,

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Speaker 5: did they say anything?

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Speaker 4: Does that mean the opposite? It's it's just.

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Speaker 3: An our friend in high school who really struggled with

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00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 3: an eating disorder, and it started because her grandmother. It

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00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 3: was a very cultural thing, but her grandmother would try

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00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 3: and put her hands around her waist and if she would,

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Speaker 3: you know, and she'd be like, oh, getting too you know,

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Speaker 3: and and.

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Speaker 2: That was just sort of common.

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Speaker 3: And she really really suffered through as she had to

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Speaker 3: take the last year off of high school and stuff.

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Speaker 2: It was really sad.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, it you know, that's it starts as a

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00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 3: little comment here or a little thing, and you just

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00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 3: start building, you know, sort of this perpetuating idea inside.

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Speaker 5: That's how mine started as well, was was comments made,

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00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 5: and it's yeah, it's just I think a reminder for

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00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 5: people to just not comment about someone's weight. And maybe

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00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 5: we'll have to give producers a little masterclass.

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00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 4: To describe a costume other way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, And I mean it is you know, there's

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00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 3: sort of again this is this business is like we

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00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 3: you have to have these conversations because it's sort of

1141
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:49,479
Speaker 3: relevant to your job.

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00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 2: But at the same time, you're like, this is such

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00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 2: a weird thing to be relevant to my job.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, human being, my sweater or the yeah, like you know,

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00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 3: the do I look too skinny as a teenager?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:00,919
Speaker 2: Whatever?

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00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 3: It is, like it is, it's hard, And I think

1149
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 3: watching this episode for me, I think the hardest part

1150
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 3: of it was knowing how much Candace really did struggle

1151
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 3: with feeling that she didn't like herself and didn't like

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00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 3: the way she looked, and uh, it just it was

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00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 3: so And I said this when we did our recap,

1154
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 3: I said, it was so hard to watch because it felt.

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00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 2: So personal in a way, like it felt like.

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00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 3: Those of us that knew her, like it felt like,

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00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 3: I don't know, almost invasive, like it felt like, oh God,

1158
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 3: this is something that I know she's.

1159
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 2: Really struggling with.

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00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 3: And it was almost weird to like put it out there,

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00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 3: but also important.

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Speaker 2: So but that was I think for me. I like,

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Speaker 2: I watched that and I.

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00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 4: Was like, oh, yeah, me too.

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00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 5: Candace is a client of mine as well, and watching it.

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00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 4: I hadn't watched that episode since.

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Speaker 5: Working with her in that capacity, and I definitely had

1168
00:58:57,080 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 5: a different set of of viewing glasses on, and I'm like.

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Speaker 4: Man, this is part This is a part of her story.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's an important.

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Speaker 2: Part well for all of our listeners out there.

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Speaker 3: I'm just so glad that we got to have like

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00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 3: an important, real conversation about this, and obviously that it

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Speaker 3: was with you because we love you, you guys. But

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00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 3: you know, if you guys, if someone is listening out

1176
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 3: there who's like, oh, I just wish I was this,

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00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 3: it won't change your life.

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00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 2: It doesn't make everything better.

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00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 3: New things come up no matter what you look like,

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00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 3: no matter what the outside presentation is. And you know,

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Speaker 3: I try to remind my girls all the time, like

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00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 3: you get one, You get one body in this like

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00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 3: you you come in with your little peanutshell and that's

1184
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 3: what you got. So learn to make peace with it

1185
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 3: and enjoy it and support it as much as you

1186
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 3: can because it's not going anywhere, and that self battle

1187
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 3: is miserable.

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Speaker 1: That's such good advice, it really is. Mel Where can

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00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 1: people find you online or offline? How can people get

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Speaker 1: a hold of you or learn more? About you and

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01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: live well.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so my personal instagram is at Choose Well with Mel,

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01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 5: and the business that Melissa and I have is called

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01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 5: Live Well, Lead Well, and both of those are on Instagram,

1195
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 5: and our.

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Speaker 4: Website is.

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Speaker 5: Live Well, Lead Well dot us and there you can

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Speaker 5: find we offer retreats and seminars. We're going to be

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Speaker 5: doing a live seminar in Michigan next month or this

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Speaker 5: maybe this month, depending on the when this episode comes

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Speaker 5: up with February nineteen, if anyone is in the Metro

1202
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 5: Detroit area and wants to come see us in person,

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Speaker 5: We're going to be doing a seminar at Imagine Theaters.

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Speaker 5: And we also do webinars and all sorts of stuff,

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Speaker 5: including a newsletter every month that has you know, recipes

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01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 5: and lifestyle tips and just some updates about what we've

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Speaker 5: been up to.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, that's that's where I'm at.

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Speaker 3: Well, fan Urrito's go check out mel Samuels and Live Well,

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01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 3: Lead Book because they really are just amazing with what

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Speaker 3: they've done and how they how they talk about food

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01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 3: and health and all of the stuff that is super

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Speaker 3: important that maybe we don't have the words for.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes, Yeah, you're doing such important work it's so important. Yeah,

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01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 1: and you're you're changing lives.

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01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean yeah, you've had an impact directly on

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Speaker 3: my life. My mom's Candice is like so many people

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01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 3: around you, So thank you.

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01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 2: We appreciate you.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much. I love you both so much,

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01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 4: and we love you so great.

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Speaker 2: This was so great.

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Speaker 3: Go attend to sick baby, and we'll have to we'll

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01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 3: plan another porch talk time here pretty soon.

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Speaker 1: Yes, please, yes, we'll shut down another restaurant, right, Yeah,

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01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 1: we're so good, we really are.

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Speaker 2: It's yeah, it's it's it's a talent.

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Speaker 3: So all right, mel Well, thank you so much for

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01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 3: joining us today.

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Speaker 5: We love you, we love thank you so much for

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01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 5: having me.

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Speaker 1: Bye, absolutely by, thanks bye, love.

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Speaker 2: I do too. She's so.

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Speaker 3: Eloquent in the way that she is able to speak

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Speaker 3: about health and food and all of that. I just

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Speaker 3: it's yeah, I just really respect her for what she does.

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Speaker 1: She's whip smart and she's so empathetic, and that is

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01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 1: a great combination, yeah, for a nutritionist and a coach.

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Speaker 1: And I'm so glad she joined us. This was such

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01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,920
Speaker 1: an important episode and I just wanted to dig a

1241
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 1: little bit deeper and continue that conversation. And Melanie was

1242
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Speaker 1: the perfect person.

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Speaker 3: how rude Tannerto's And remember the world is small, but

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Speaker 3: the house is perfectly sized in comparison to itself. It

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Speaker 2: might be full and that's okay too.

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