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Speaker 1: You're listening to DraftKings.

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Speaker 2: Network the John Nnick and Kenny Florian Podcast. John Annick

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Speaker 2: and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 3: I love them.

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Speaker 1: I can't get enough of them.

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Speaker 6: I believe there are a couple of absolutely self involved artists.

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Speaker 2: Here are your hosts, John Nick and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 5: That's all.

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Speaker 7: Got a love Mondays right? Anybody out there have a

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Speaker 7: case of the Mondays?

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Speaker 7: Monday February twenty six, twenty twenty fourth, Episode four seventy

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Speaker 7: of the Annik and Florian Podcast presented by DraftKings. If

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Speaker 7: full episodes of the show on the side are always

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Speaker 7: yours on the DraftKings YouTube channel, clips on the Anakin

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Speaker 7: Floor and Podcast YouTube channel.

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Speaker 1: You can follow the show at Annik Florian Pod.

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Speaker 7: A lot to get into Today we will recap UFC

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Speaker 7: Fight Night moreno versus Roy Vault two. We will also

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Speaker 7: get you predictions for the heavyweight main event coming up

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Speaker 7: this weekend between Bigie Boy Jarzeno Rosenstrike and the undefeated

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Speaker 7: Chamille gazebe Kenny. A lot of response to our post

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Speaker 7: about the best fighters in UFC history to have never

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Speaker 7: won the undisputed title. Certainly a lot of the fan

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Speaker 7: response gave out names of guys like Dimitrius Johnson who

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Speaker 7: actually realized undisputed goal. But certainly an animated conversation, and

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Speaker 7: I'm not sure there are any wrong answers, whether you

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Speaker 7: think it's Justin Gatzche or Dustin Poier or Joel Romero

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Speaker 7: or Tony Ferguson or Kate Florian. I just feel like

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Speaker 7: it's an interesting debate, is all.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely. I mean, clearly it was very popular. You look

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Speaker 5: at some of the people responding. That was the funniest part.

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Speaker 5: John as people going like it's John Jones and Dimitris

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Speaker 5: john Guy. You no, no, no, We're talking about people

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Speaker 5: who did not win the belt. So some people are

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Speaker 5: just responding without really listening to what we're saying. That

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Speaker 5: happens a lot. But yeah, there is no right answer.

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Speaker 5: It depends on what you qualify as someone who is

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Speaker 5: the best job, what are we looking at, skills, Guys

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Speaker 5: that they've beaten, you know, all of the above, guys

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Speaker 5: who are popular. Whatever it is, there is no right answer, Guys,

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Speaker 5: calm down. All of them are valid and we appreciate

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Speaker 5: the interactions though it's always a fun to debate that

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Speaker 7: Bottom of the hour, Ray Longo will join us. Kenny,

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Speaker 7: I'm not sure if you saw this, but will Berger,

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Speaker 7: one of our production assistants, went over to Longo's house

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Speaker 7: and got him set up with some equipment. So he

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Speaker 7: has a camera, he has a microphone, and he has

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Speaker 7: suggested that it's pretty easy for him to sort of

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Speaker 7: get everything going. So not only do we have a

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Speaker 7: new Ray Longo minute today, but with a whole new

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Speaker 7: setup potentially.

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Speaker 5: I love it, dude. The Ray Longo with the headphones,

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Speaker 5: by the way, it's just awesome. I kind of like

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Speaker 5: transported back to the seventies hearing. I'm just kind of

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Speaker 5: listening to some tunes little led Zeppelin back of the day,

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Speaker 5: like he had his record player. But I'm so glad

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Speaker 5: he got set up. Props to wil Berger and we

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Speaker 5: should be good now. No Lucky, right, or I guess

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Speaker 5: not as much lucky.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, we'll see what happens with the variable that is

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Speaker 7: his dog, Lucky. But thank you to Brian Petrie for

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Speaker 7: helping out with the equipment Cody Merrow of course, and

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Speaker 7: Will Berger getting ray long Go set up. But I

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Speaker 7: just want to say to those suggesting that this was

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Speaker 7: and have ray Long Go broadcasting live from his toilet closet,

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Speaker 7: that was not ever a podcast initiative, even though it

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Speaker 7: produced some funny moments.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's not trying to inject more stress into

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Speaker 5: his life. Guys. Okay, I can assure.

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Speaker 1: You, yeah, that's the truth. All right.

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Speaker 7: Let us get into headlines as we recap UFC Fight

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Speaker 7: Night Moreno versus Roy Vaal two. But before we do that,

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Speaker 7: we have a very special guest on the line. This

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Speaker 7: is a sports media executive who played a huge role

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Speaker 7: in the careers of Kenny Florid and myself a great

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Speaker 7: here in portly as with US ports.

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Speaker 5: I look, buddy, let's go, guys.

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Speaker 8: I nervous. I feel there can even hear me do

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Speaker 5: Every time I hear port talk, it's like, how did

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Speaker 5: this guy not like get behind a camera or like

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Speaker 8: I use the great one face for face for radio.

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Speaker 7: Well, you look great as always. We know you're always

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Speaker 7: hitting the gym hard. But you know I sit here

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Speaker 7: about toy.

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Speaker 8: Still use the Florian.

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Speaker 4: Swear.

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Speaker 6: Okay, so I still use the fucking Florian. I apply

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Speaker 6: most things I learned from Florian into it. Still what

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Speaker 6: I do know, if I get one little ache, I go, hey,

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Speaker 6: where's the fucking flor.

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Speaker 8: This guy?

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Speaker 7: Oh my goodness, further greatness, Anthony Spatissanto, one of our

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Speaker 7: other longtime staples on ESPN, M M A Live Ports.

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Speaker 7: It's great to see him, man, And uh, you know,

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Speaker 7: I don't want to get sirious right off the top,

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Speaker 7: but I'm twenty years into my broadcasting career.

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Speaker 1: I've never won an award.

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Speaker 7: But if I ever win anything, the first name out

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Speaker 7: of my mouth is probably going to be Kieran Portly

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Speaker 7: because none of this happens for me without you. And

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Speaker 7: I think Kenny maybe to a lesser extent because he

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Speaker 7: fought for the belt three times. But if you don't

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Speaker 7: know Kier importantly, longtime sports media executive worked for the

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Speaker 7: UFC and CBS. Now back at the friendly confines there

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Speaker 7: at ESPN. But you were the guy who launched Fantasy

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Speaker 7: Football Now and MMA Live and somehow you put me

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Speaker 7: in Kenny on a set together. So we're long overdue

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Speaker 7: to have you on the show. But I just want

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Speaker 7: to thank you off the top man. It's fucking great

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I mean, we all know and spout a Center's still

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Speaker 6: you know, so it's like, okay, sorry, Spots, but it's

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Speaker 6: we all know. It's it was more Mile and we

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Speaker 6: were all just fortunate to work for the smartest guy. Obviously,

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Speaker 6: there's there's this is his birthday to commemorate. Wow, to

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Speaker 8: The you know, listen, it's like anything else we don't.

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Speaker 6: You guys are the player. I mean, it's amazing you

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Speaker 6: Miles got the vision that he's the most you know,

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Speaker 6: the smartest guy that any of us ever worked with.

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Speaker 6: So you just get a little bit of that, you know,

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Speaker 6: you just you just can't help but not do well,

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Speaker 6: and then you gout, you know, just get lucky. You

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Speaker 8: Was like he played soccer.

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Speaker 6: Hey, guys, yeah, he played soccer and obviously a super

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Speaker 6: smart guy. And then Anne, you know you're doing radio.

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Speaker 6: There's nobody that does better prep, Like we could go back.

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Speaker 6: maybe he was. Kenny was the first real mixed martial

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Speaker 6: artist I'm not. I'm not, you know, not overdoing it

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Speaker 6: that was the best thing. Because you're a sports fan.

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Speaker 6: You're a huge sports fan. Because people are like me,

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Speaker 6: We all have our own little idiosyncrasies, but there's nobody

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Speaker 8: That was to me the recipe. The big man was

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Speaker 6: And then we just had we had the opportunity to

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Speaker 1: Well, we appreciate you saying that.

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Speaker 7: Kieran poorly ESPN executive with us here on the Anak

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Speaker 1: And it's just so good to see your face.

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Speaker 8: Bro.

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Speaker 7: I can't overstate that. But it is the late great

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Speaker 7: Mormle did you know one.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well we have a little just live Yeah it

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Speaker 5: is well no, I mean we could assume it is,

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Speaker 5: but we I think we just lost John.

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Speaker 6: Well, it's almost like UFC when we were USC one

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Speaker 6: hundred and we lost John's mic, you know, and.

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Speaker 8: It was like we lost John's mic.

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Speaker 6: It was like, Kenny, we're live on SportsCenter, so we're

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Speaker 6: telling that joke where we lost your mic.

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Speaker 8: I think it was we lost your mic so it's

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Speaker 8: Lesler's coming up. Just sitting there.

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Speaker 6: We're like, uh, we don't have I think the lights

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Speaker 6: went out or somebody pulled the plug or Brucey was something.

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Speaker 8: Brucey did something.

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Speaker 3: Right, right.

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Speaker 6: It was like it was like, okay, Kenny, you're You're

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Speaker 6: just gonna have to say we're I think we're on

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Speaker 6: sports at that time because I think Leza is coming up.

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Speaker 5: Right, Kenny, Yeah, yeah, exactly. I believe that was wild.

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Speaker 7: So I've had some technical issues today, Streamyard given us fits.

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Speaker 8: How many how many times have you not hit twelve

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Speaker 8: We got twelve seconds. You got to be out. You're

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Speaker 5: Brother, dude, I'm blown away. Man, that is amazing. I

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Speaker 5: went in a way that I thought it would. For

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Speaker 5: the most part, it was certainly close, especially some of

442
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Speaker 5: those rounds. I think what happened was Royvall at a

443
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Speaker 5: certain point just was pumping out a little bit more

444
00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,119
Speaker 5: volume and he was able to get Moreno out of

445
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Speaker 5: his rhythm a little bit. To me, I saw a

446
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Speaker 5: regression in Moreno's game, you know, I think the last

447
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Speaker 5: few fights or so, I've seen that a little bit,

448
00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:54,520
Speaker 5: and Royval just seemed to kind of get better. He

449
00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,200
Speaker 5: seemed to build on his confidence a little bit more,

450
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Speaker 5: especially in regards to those kicks. Moreno kept running into kicks,

451
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,000
Speaker 5: and it seemed like every time he was moving forward

452
00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,760
Speaker 5: he didn't exactly have a very specific plan of how

453
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Speaker 5: he was going to go in enter hit those takedowns

454
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Speaker 5: or land those shots, get in and get out without

455
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Speaker 5: taking damage, and Roivald just kept staying busy. I think

456
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Speaker 5: that having that last fight be a five rounder certainly

457
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,240
Speaker 5: helped him to gain that confidence. I think going five

458
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Speaker 5: rounds for the first time at a high level is

459
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Speaker 5: kind of a question mark before you do that. After

460
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Speaker 5: that you're like, Okay, I know I can do this,

461
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Speaker 5: and yeah, I think he just stayed busy enough to

462
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Speaker 5: probably get it done. I don't think Moreno was bad

463
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Speaker 5: by any means. He had a very tough opponent in

464
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Speaker 5: front of him, but I did see a little bit

465
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Speaker 5: of a regression in regards to footwork and his ability

466
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Speaker 5: to kind of finish some of that control on the

467
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Speaker 5: ground when he was able to get there. Yeah.

468
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Speaker 1: I think that's a fair assessment, to be sure.

469
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Speaker 7: And there's a lot to sort of digest on the

470
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Speaker 7: back end of this result. Because Alaschan Pantoja is the champion,

471
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Speaker 7: he has legitimate history with both of these combatants, and

472
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Speaker 7: it seems like he wants to defend his title at

473
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Speaker 7: UFC three to Zho one on May fourth in Rio

474
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Speaker 7: de Janeiro, Brazil. So last year, at UFC two to

475
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Speaker 7: ninety six, Brandon Royval challenged Allachandre Pantoja and the fight

476
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Speaker 7: did not go particularly well for Brandon Royval. So the

477
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Speaker 7: fan appetite right now Kenny doesn't seem to be robust

478
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Speaker 7: for an immediate rematch between Pantoja and Royval, even if

479
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Speaker 7: Royval on the strength of this win over the former champion,

480
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Speaker 7: deserves consideration. There are other names we could bandy about.

481
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Speaker 7: Amir Al Bosi as a winning streak, but he's coming

482
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Speaker 7: off of next surgery. He's not going to be ready

483
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Speaker 7: by May fourth. Manelkop missed wait recently for a fight

484
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Speaker 7: that didn't happen. Kaikota France, at least on paper, has

485
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Speaker 7: lost to.

486
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Speaker 1: In a row.

487
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Speaker 7: Kyoji Horrigucci is a name that people are thrown out there.

488
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Speaker 7: He's not even a UFC fighter right now, Ken Flow,

489
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Speaker 7: So what is your best guess as to promotionally what

490
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Speaker 7: they do? If indeed Pantoja wants to defend this belt

491
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Speaker 7: on May fourth in his native Rio Dejaneire, well they

492
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Speaker 7: might just.

493
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Speaker 5: Be at a holding pattern to kind of wait how

494
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Speaker 5: things play out, right, But I don't know right now.

495
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Speaker 5: You know, based on all those names, listen, Royvall would

496
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Speaker 5: be the only guy available and I think worthy of

497
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Speaker 5: getting that next title shot. I think it's hard for

498
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Speaker 5: promotion to rely on someone who's not making weight and

499
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Speaker 5: certainly on a losing streak. It's gonna have to be

500
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Speaker 5: someone who has won their last fight, who was looking

501
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Speaker 5: good and has shown that they are elite. And Roy

502
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 5: Ball did just that against an excellent fighter in Moreno.

503
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Speaker 5: So as of right now, if I'm the promotion. Looking

504
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Speaker 5: at who would be that next guy, I think there's

505
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Speaker 5: only one choice right now.

506
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Speaker 1: At Annik Florian pod for the pole question.

507
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Speaker 7: Assuming all parties are healthy Slash able to fight in

508
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 7: just ten weeks and by the way, less than ten

509
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Speaker 7: weeks now until UFC three to zero one against whom

510
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Speaker 7: shoud Aalachandre Pantosian defend his UFC flyweight title in Rio.

511
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Speaker 7: Already one percent of you want to see him defend

512
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Speaker 7: against the winner of a fight this weekend between Alex

513
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Speaker 7: Perez and Mohammed Mokaya, then thirty percent for Brandon Royval,

514
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Speaker 7: twenty percent for Amir al Bozi he's not available, and

515
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Speaker 7: then Manel cop nineteen percent. So the majority, albeit a

516
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Speaker 7: thirty one percent majority, feel like the winner of the

517
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Speaker 7: fight this weekend can flow between Alex Perez and Mohammed

518
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Speaker 7: Mokayev could determine the next title challenger. Now, I would

519
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 7: suggest maybe it's a little bit too soon for Mokayev,

520
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 7: but he would be six and zero in the UFC

521
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Speaker 7: and he would have then beaten Alex Perez, a former

522
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Speaker 7: world title challenging challenger. Certainly for Alex Perez Kenny, he's

523
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Speaker 7: barely fought since he challenged Davis and figureto but were

524
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Speaker 7: he to go out and finish Mohammed Mokaya perhaps Alex

525
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Speaker 7: Perez would have a case. I tend to agree with you.

526
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Speaker 7: I mean, it's hard to just eliminate or omit from

527
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Speaker 7: memory what happened between Pantosia and Royval last December and

528
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Speaker 7: UFC two ninety six. But right now, if Royval can

529
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Speaker 7: be healthy, I mean pretty banged up after this fight, yeah,

530
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Speaker 7: I think that's the fight that is that is most realistic.

531
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Speaker 7: But what are your thoughts on the Alex Perez Mohammed

532
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Speaker 7: Mokayev winner being vaulted into a championship setting.

533
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Speaker 5: Well, I think it's way more likely if it's Mokayah

534
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 5: than it is Uh Perez in my opinion, And that's

535
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Speaker 5: no offense to Perez. I just think based on Mokayav's

536
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 5: undefeated record right now, that would put him at twelve

537
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Speaker 5: and zero if he was able to get it done.

538
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Speaker 5: You look at his skills and the way that he

539
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Speaker 5: matches up against someone like Pantosia, I think just that

540
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Speaker 5: alone makes it very interesting. Uh, And you know it

541
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Speaker 5: doesn't have an insane amount of experience, But what we've

542
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Speaker 5: seen from him. This This Makaia is a problem. Dude,

543
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:47,919
Speaker 5: He's a problem for anybody. So yeah, I mean he

544
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,360
Speaker 5: could definitely sneak in there. You know. The other thing

545
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 5: is that for fans, they want some kind of storyline,

546
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Speaker 5: and having a guy who was undefeated, uh with with

547
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,400
Speaker 5: those kind of wins, I think certainly tells a very

548
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,919
Speaker 5: interesting story and makes it a very interesting challenge for Pantosia.

549
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 5: So as far as that goes, I think that's really interesting.

550
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Speaker 5: What do you deserve it at this point with the

551
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 5: winover Perez? Maybe not. I'd like to see one more,

552
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Speaker 5: And I think for Mokayev it would serve him well

553
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 5: to get one more high level win right to set

554
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 5: him up to not only potentially win that belt, but

555
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 5: hold on to that belt for a very very long time.

556
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 5: So again, I think if we were to make a

557
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 5: choice right now, I'd still be leaning towards Royval. But

558
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 5: absolutely it makes a stronger case for Ochaiev. There's no

559
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Speaker 5: question about that. Because Perez is a guy who's twenty

560
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Speaker 5: four and seven. This is a guy with over thirty fights,

561
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Speaker 5: and if you beat a guy like that who comes

562
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 5: from that good wrestling background, who is a good striker

563
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 5: who knows how to put it all together very well.

564
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Speaker 5: I think that would that would definitely make a strong

565
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Speaker 5: case for Okaiev, if not for the next one, but

566
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Speaker 5: probably the one after that.

567
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Speaker 7: And you got to think he gets Alex Perez this

568
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 7: weekend at the height of motivation. Perez has less than

569
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 7: three and a half minutes of total octagon time dating

570
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Speaker 7: to his title shot against Davison Figuretto in November of

571
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 7: twenty twenty, So a huge fight beckons this weekend at

572
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 7: the Ufcapex. In terms of the Flyway pecking order, now,

573
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 7: some fans have acknowledged a little bit of fatigue when

574
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,199
Speaker 7: it comes to Brandon Moreno constantly fighting these guys that

575
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 7: he has fought prior, whether it's Davison Figuretto or Alechandre Pantoja.

576
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 7: This was also a rematch against Brandon Royvall. Now part

577
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 7: of that is the issue for Pantoja Royvall three as

578
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,360
Speaker 7: a possible headliner in Rio de Janeiro. But in terms

579
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 7: of who could be next for Brandon Moreno, I think

580
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 7: there's a great chance that it's Henry Sejudo. I'm not

581
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 7: sure what Sajudo's appetite is to cutting back down to

582
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 7: one hundred and twenty five pounds, or if Moreno would

583
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,400
Speaker 7: be interested in moving up to thirty five. But there's

584
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 7: a lot of connective tissue between those two athletes, Kenny

585
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 7: bad Blood, they used to be friends. Not the case anymore.

586
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 7: Sajudo has called for a fight with Brandon Moreno. I

587
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 7: think that makes a lot of sense, especially if you're

588
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 7: Brandon Moreno, right and you don't have an obvious opponent,

589
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 7: don't have an obvious opponent right now?

590
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: Can do worse than triple C.

591
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Speaker 5: Yeah, listen, the storyline rights itself. I think Moreno wants

592
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 5: this so badly that he would go up to one

593
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 5: hundred and thirty five pounds. I think he would welcome

594
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Speaker 5: that challenge. Again, Suhudo, and again, I don't want to

595
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 5: make this a dig at those two guys, but I

596
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 5: do think that if we're looking at the trajectory or

597
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 5: the lack thereof from both of those fighters, they're on

598
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 5: a bit of a decline, right if we're being honest.

599
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Speaker 5: For me, I think what I've seen from Suhudo, what

600
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 5: I've seen from Moreno doesn't mean they're not great fighters.

601
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 5: They are great fighters, But for me, when i've seen

602
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 5: them in their prime at their best. I don't think

603
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 5: that's that right now. It could be there some transitionary

604
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 5: period for those guys to kind of figure some things out.

605
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 5: But I think it makes a lot of sense for

606
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 5: that reason. It makes a lot of sense because it

607
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 5: is a great storyline. It makes a lot of sense

608
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 5: because there is beef between those two and it makes

609
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 5: for a great story because both of those guys want

610
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 5: this fight. Now, what this does for Moreno, as far

611
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 5: as you know his place in the one hundred and

612
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 5: twenty five pound division, it probably does nothing for him

613
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 5: in that regard. But you beat someone like Sahudo, that

614
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 5: is a big deal based on what he has accomplished

615
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 5: over the course of his mixed martial arts career. And

616
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Speaker 5: I think it does a lot for Suhudo as well,

617
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 5: to maybe get back on track to prove himself against

618
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 5: another relief fighter in Moreno. So I love it. I

619
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 5: think it's I think it's a fight we'll see, but

620
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 5: most likely we'll see at one hundred and thirty five pounds.

621
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Speaker 5: I don't think Suhudo wants anything to do with flyweight

622
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 5: at this stage of his career.

623
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Speaker 7: Right I mean, certainly for Henry Sahudo, he is no

624
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 7: longer in bantamweight title contention. He came back from two

625
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 7: or three years away, was immediately given a championship opportunity

626
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 7: against al Jamaine Sterling. Then he loses to Morob Dwalash Willie.

627
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 7: So if Sahudo is trying to get back on a

628
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 7: championship path, he's going to have to cut down to

629
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 7: one hundred and twenty six pounds for this fight against

630
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 7: Brandon Moreno. But I'm with you, I just don't see it.

631
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 7: I think they do it at thirty five as a

632
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 7: bandamway fight. Dana White doesn't like catch weights. I'd find

633
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 7: it exceedingly hard to believe that they would do that

634
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 7: fight at one hundred and thirty pounds real quick. Here's

635
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 7: what Suhudo had to say about a fight with Brandon Moreno. So,

636
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 7: what fight would be better than triple cver Brandon Moreno,

637
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 7: the Mexican American versus the true Mexican and they come together,

638
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 7: they do a five round showdown at the Sphere in

639
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 7: Las Vegas for Mexican Independence Day.

640
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 3: I like it.

641
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 7: I think if there's any way we should settle it

642
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 7: and enough talking, enough cringing, enough antics and enough all

643
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 7: of that. The only way to get it on, Brandon

644
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 7: Moreno is I accept your challenge.

645
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 4: Let's do it.

646
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 7: Mexican Independence Day. What you got You're going to sign

647
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 7: that contract? Are you a Mexican or a Mexican't? So

648
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 7: we'll see what happens. It does appear, though, Kenny as

649
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 7: though Mexican Independence Day it's going to be a pay

650
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 7: per view at the Sphere in Las Vegas, and Nate

651
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 7: Diaz has chimed in, I think something to the effect

652
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 7: of fuck UFC three hundred. He wants to fight at

653
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,719
Speaker 7: the Sphere. I think that is going to be the

654
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 7: most requested date and show in UFC history. When it

655
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Speaker 7: comes to the athletes asking the promoter if they can

656
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Speaker 7: compete inside the sphere, I.

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Speaker 5: Have never seen anything like that. You're ever like it,

658
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Speaker 5: just the way that it sticks out even though it

659
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Speaker 5: was being built. I was like, what the hell is

660
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Speaker 5: that thing? And the fact that the UFC could potentially

661
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Speaker 5: put on an event there that would be insane, like

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Speaker 5: as far as just a show and delivering. Like again,

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Speaker 5: Dana's really fired up about it, and you know he's

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Speaker 5: going to try to blow it out. So I think

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Speaker 5: that would be the event to be at not only

666
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Speaker 5: as a you know, as an event itself, but to

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Speaker 5: be there live. Oh, I'm not sure it gets any

668
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Speaker 5: better than that to be.

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Speaker 7: I think Dana White has already come out and said

670
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Speaker 7: that we're going to lose money for that show. It's

671
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Speaker 7: a huge initiative and it's just insane to think about

672
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Speaker 7: the octagon, the big thirty footer being dropped inside that sphere.

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Speaker 7: Everybody who has been there and I have not, it's

674
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Speaker 7: mostly hearing from drivers in Las Vegas.

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Speaker 1: Everybody is effectively.

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Speaker 7: Blown away by that venu, and as is often the case,

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Speaker 7: it looks like the UFC is going to be first

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Speaker 7: as far as having a sporting event inside the sphere

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Speaker 7: in Las Vegas. All right, Brian Ortega, t City is back,

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Speaker 7: Ken Flow big went over. Yeah, you're Rodriguez in the

681
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Speaker 7: co main event. You had to look far and wide

682
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Speaker 7: for people back in te City. As an underdog here

683
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Speaker 7: on the road. He gets it done by arm triangle

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Speaker 7: at the fifty eight second mark of round three, and

685
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Speaker 7: not unlike most Brian Ortega fights prior, he had to

686
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Speaker 7: go through adversity to get the job done.

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Speaker 1: But beautiful trip.

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Speaker 7: Into the submission there and t City, gets it done

689
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Speaker 7: and immediately injects himself back into the featherwey mix.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, John, really that that is the story not only

691
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Speaker 5: of dealing with adversity, you know, in that first round,

692
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Speaker 5: but even just to start the fight. The fight wasn't

693
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Speaker 5: even there, it didn't even start yet, and you see

694
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Speaker 5: him bouncing around. It looked like he twisted his ankle.

695
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh my gosh, are you kidding me? Is

696
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 5: it his knee? Is it his ankle? What the hell's

697
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 5: going on? And then if you know some of the

698
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Speaker 5: backstory of what this kid has dealt with leading up

699
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Speaker 5: to this, you know, in his personal life, the injuries,

700
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 5: the surgeries, all that stuff can break a lot of guys,

701
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 5: right just knowing am I ever going to be the

702
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Speaker 5: same after this? And can I ever get a break?

703
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Speaker 5: How am I supposed to be the best professional fighter

704
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Speaker 5: I can be if I can't be healthy? And and

705
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 5: a lot of times you start to question yourself and

706
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 5: you know, some of the personal decisions of the people

707
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Speaker 5: you have in your life, and you kind of have

708
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Speaker 5: to reassess all that when all of that is happening

709
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Speaker 5: on the physical side and the relationships side, all that

710
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Speaker 5: stuff that is a lot for any human being to

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Speaker 5: deal with. But Brian Ortega is not just any other

712
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Speaker 5: human being. It was great to see him, you know,

713
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Speaker 5: adjust after that first round he started realizing, Hey, this

714
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Speaker 5: is where I'm at my best. I need to take

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Speaker 5: this fight to the ground. That's where I'm gonna beat

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Speaker 5: Yayo Rodriguez. And Yayar Rodriguez was help a Ortega do that,

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Speaker 5: It seemed like for me. Yair tried to make it

718
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 5: a fight about machismo, right, and as a Latin guy myself,

719
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Speaker 5: sometimes we go out there and we lead with I'm

720
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Speaker 5: gonna be the tough guy out there. I'm gonna do

721
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Speaker 5: this in that well, listen, machismo, courage, toughness never gets

722
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Speaker 5: injected into the equation if you're across from a very

723
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Speaker 5: intelligent fighter who knows how to execute, and it just never,

724
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Speaker 5: it never comes into play. And that was the different here.

725
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,959
Speaker 5: Difference here or Tega was able to bring it into

726
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Speaker 5: his wheelhouse, get that clinch, get that fight to the ground,

727
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Speaker 5: and took Yayar out of the game completely. Yayir was

728
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 5: not managing his distance very well. He was over committing

729
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Speaker 5: to a lot of strikes. His grappling was completely out

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Speaker 5: of whack. He was exposed in that regard, and as

731
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Speaker 5: a guy who picked Yair Rodriguez, it's just another humbling

732
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Speaker 5: experience of hey, Florian and you got wrecked here. Dude,

733
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Speaker 5: you called it wrong, which I love, you know, I

734
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Speaker 5: don't love the fact that I'm behind Brian Petrie as

735
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Speaker 5: much as I am. However, it's just another reminder of

736
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 5: there's so much to this game. There's so much need

737
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Speaker 5: to calculate as a fighter, as an analyst, as someone

738
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Speaker 5: call and fights, and for me or Tega really just

739
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 5: to over after round one, man, and it was just

740
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Speaker 5: a beautiful story because of that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you put it well as usual.

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Speaker 7: It's definitely a big miss for Yayi Rodriguez getting the

743
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Speaker 7: chance here to sort of prove that there was nothing

744
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 7: fluky about that first win against Brian Ortega, getting to

745
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 7: do it in Mexico City and for whatever reason, just

746
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 7: not one of his better performances. And there was a

747
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,479
Speaker 7: lot of talk of Illy at Topotia during fight week,

748
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Speaker 7: and that certainly drew out some emotion from Yayi Rodriguez,

749
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Speaker 7: who intimated that he wants to fight Topoitia sight on scene,

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Speaker 7: they don't need an octagon right and now he's not

751
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Speaker 7: going to fight illi At Topoitia, perhaps Brian Ortega will

752
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Speaker 7: be next. I would like to see Brian Ortega fight

753
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Speaker 7: mavsar Ivloyev. I think that is the fight to make

754
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Speaker 7: as a five round main event, as a championship title eliminator.

755
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 7: I think a lot of the questions have to do

756
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Speaker 7: with the calendar and getting a venue in Spain and

757
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:54,399
Speaker 7: Alexander Volkanovski's desire to take some time off or turn

758
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 7: around quickly. But Kenny correct me if I'm wrong, not

759
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Speaker 7: out of the realm of possibility that on the strength

760
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Speaker 7: of this win this weekend, that Brian Ortega has set

761
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 7: up a date with ili A Toputia for the undisputed

762
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Speaker 7: UFC Featherway title.

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Speaker 5: Well or take us a very popular fighter, A lot

764
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 5: of people love him and certainly proved it yet again

765
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Speaker 5: with the way he performs out there and the kind

766
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 5: of heart that he brings into the octagon. So yeah,

767
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 5: I think he set him set himself up pretty well here.

768
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Speaker 5: I'm not sure I would put him in that next

769
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Speaker 5: shot right now, but with everything going on, with all

770
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,439
Speaker 5: the disruption in the game right now, with the question

771
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 5: marks on whether Volkanovsky is going to take time off

772
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 5: or not. Keith there, He's there not only because of

773
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 5: the heart and the skill that he brings to the octagon,

774
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 5: but because of that popularity that absolutely matters. Marketing is

775
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 5: going to be a part of the game, whether you

776
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 5: like it or not. I'm sorry, guys, but that is

777
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 5: a part of the game here in the UFC. It

778
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,760
Speaker 5: is a business after all. Or take us a popular

779
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 5: fighter and that means stuff. Okay, So yeah, I thought

780
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 5: it was. It was a huge spot. All eyes were

781
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 5: on him in that co main event, and you know,

782
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 5: I think his stock went tremendously and yeah, process, I

783
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 5: think yah Ear's stock went down tremendously. You know, you

784
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 5: can't fight like that and expect quality results. It just

785
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 5: seemed like he was it was. It reminded me of

786
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 5: the Amanda Lemos fight where Amanda is really doing a

787
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 5: number on Mackenzie Dern on the feet and then she

788
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 5: decides to chase the fight to the ground against the

789
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 5: guy who is going to be superior there or a

790
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 5: girl who is going to be superior there in Mackenzie Dern.

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Speaker 5: And in Yahyear's case, what are you doing going to

792
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 5: the ground against Ortega. Why would you do that? Are

793
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 5: you trying to prove that you're just tougher and that

794
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 5: you're just going to like take him out. No, you

795
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 5: gotta bring intelligence into this game, and you got to

796
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 5: prepare properly, and you got to stick to it more

797
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 5: often than not. You got to stick to your game plans.

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00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 5: And for me, yeah, here just didn't have a game plan.

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Speaker 5: It seemed like he was just riled up in emotions.

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00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 5: He was trying to prove a point out there, it

801
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 5: seemed anyway, and really wasn't thinking about what he was

802
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 5: doing over committing on a lot of strikes, which was

803
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 5: allowing Ortega to get in on that clinch and take

804
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 5: him down. So yeah, it just seemed to be a

805
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 5: huge mess there for Rodriguez.

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Speaker 7: I do have some stuff on a comparison of Brian

807
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Speaker 7: Ortega and Mackenzie Dern, but we don't want to keep

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Speaker 7: a good man waiting. So as we continue our recap

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Speaker 7: UFC Fight Night Moreno versus Roy vallto let us get

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Speaker 7: to the star of the show and the Ray Longo minute.

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Speaker 2: It is now time for the Ray Longo minutes.

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Speaker 1: And I'm going to push a hole in this fucking shots.

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Speaker 2: That's what I want is the Ray Longo minute, the

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00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 2: John Ennik and Kenny Florian podcast.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, wow man, wow.

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Speaker 7: That way you see the shirt, I see the shirt,

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Speaker 7: I see the headset.

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Speaker 4: We'll take it.

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00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: So you got a camera, you got a microphone, you got.

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Speaker 5: A headset, I think too.

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Speaker 1: Oh I don't know about that.

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Speaker 4: Can Oh yeah, I feel I got a wist out

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Speaker 4: wearing a hat. Think that's the answer.

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Speaker 7: So I need you to be completely truthful with me

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Speaker 7: right now, and we appreciate you joining us every week.

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Speaker 7: The star of the show, Ray Longo at Ray Longo

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Speaker 7: m M A nine three five eight on Instagram at

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Speaker 7: Ray Longo mma on X. How hard was it for

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Speaker 7: you to get set up this morning? I really need

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Speaker 7: to know.

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Speaker 4: Uh No, it wasn't It wasn't hard. I mean it

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Speaker 4: was as hard as logging into my email, which that

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Speaker 4: could be a problem.

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Speaker 1: So are you in your office right now?

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Speaker 4: I'm in I'm in my den, in the den.

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00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 7: How does your wife feel about you overtaking the den

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00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 7: with this podcast set up? She loves it. She loves it.

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00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 7: She loves she likes those twice annual checks that come

839
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Speaker 7: in that need to be bigger.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, she's got She's got plenty of her own money,

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Speaker 4: trust me.

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Speaker 5: All right?

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Speaker 7: Good well, uh, Jason Addic make a note. Well, uh,

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Speaker 7: we'll make Rais bonus a little bit smaller this year.

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Speaker 4: So that she has one I have to share with you.

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Speaker 5: That's good.

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Speaker 7: So I was just going to bring up a comparison

848
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 7: between Mackenzie Dern and Brian Ortega. And there have been

849
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Speaker 7: a few different knocks on McKenzie Dern, maybe a little

850
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 7: bit sloppy on the feet, but some have questioned her

851
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Speaker 7: offensive wrestling, and Brian Ortega has a lot of different

852
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Speaker 7: takedowns and trips in his arsenal, and that allows him

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00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 7: to get the fight to a grappling realm where he

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00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 7: can realize success against most men in this division. So

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00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 7: a lot of fans and pundits have wandered aloud Kenny

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00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 7: and Ray why Mackenzie durn maybe hasn't worked more or

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00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 7: shown more when it comes to her offensive wrestling, because dude,

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Speaker 7: if she gets the fight there, you know, more often

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00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 7: than not, it's going to be caution flammable for the opposition.

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Speaker 4: You know, common sense to me, I don't know what

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Speaker 4: was the question. I mean I agree with what you said,

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Speaker 4: but why isn't she doing it?

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Speaker 7: Well, Kenny, I don't know if you have anything on that.

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Speaker 7: Just Ortega's ability to seemingly get the fight to the

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Speaker 7: ground against guy who he should be able to take down,

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Speaker 7: versus Mackenzie darn not always realizing consistency when it comes

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Speaker 7: to that part of the game.

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Speaker 4: Well, let me jump in for a second. Is you

869
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 4: got Rodriguez's kryptonite always was the takedowns and being on bottom.

870
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 4: I mean, Frankie Edgod, you know did it to him

871
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 4: a while back? Would I agree with everything Kenny was saying, Well,

872
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 4: I was, you know, waiting in the back. It's just

873
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 4: how do you not correct that over five years? Like

874
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 4: that's all you should be working on. Like I had

875
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 4: a guy lose because he couldn't he couldn't stop the takedown.

876
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 4: I said, don't ever hit the pads again until you

877
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 4: fix this problem. I think the answer where I'm going

878
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 4: is people do what the fuck they want to do,

879
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,919
Speaker 4: you know, what they like to do, not what they

880
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 4: have to do. And that I think he comes down

881
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 4: to just being that simple, you know what I mean?

882
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 4: So you know these guys get there, you know they

883
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,240
Speaker 4: get in the groove and they just run it out.

884
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 4: I mean, but there is a game plan, and he

885
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 4: knows what he has to work on. Everybody knows what

886
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 4: he has to work on. Why he's not working on it,

887
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 4: or maybe he couldn't get it, Maybe that's just not

888
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 4: his thing and he he's incapable of getting it. Maybe

889
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 4: that's a possibility. I mean, you know, we used to

890
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 4: work with lu Como back in the day a lot

891
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 4: on takedown defense and his he just never really could

892
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 4: stop to take down. But his he had a great

893
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 4: mma guard, so he wasn't really taking damage. So, uh,

894
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 4: it was a different time back then, but now it's

895
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 4: you know what you have to do.

896
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 5: You just know.

897
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 4: And your point on Mackenzie Durned is one hundred percent correct.

898
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 4: That's what she should be doing, getting a wrestling coach

899
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 4: and just wrestled, even if it's six months, it'll go

900
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 4: a long way, you know what I mean, it's really will.

901
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 5: I think Ray spot On now, I think the reality

902
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 5: is that wrestling sucks. Wrestling is hard, Wrestling is painful. Yes,

903
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 5: wrestling is humiliating, and you know a lot of guys

904
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 5: don't want to get in the wrestling room and just

905
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 5: work on that aspect, especially if you're kind of a

906
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 5: grappler and you're used to doing certain things a certain way,

907
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 5: like let's say just jump into your back and being

908
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 5: content there and thinking well, I'll just submit him and

909
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 5: do this and do that. It doesn't work that way.

910
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 5: It is a huge aspect of mixed martial arts. And again,

911
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 5: a lot of people want to do the sexy stuff.

912
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 5: They don't want to do the hard stuff. And if

913
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 5: you don't want to do the hard stuff in your game,

914
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 5: you will be exposed. We've all been there. It's one

915
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 5: thing to listen, work on it, and just not be

916
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 5: good enough that that happens too, no question about it.

917
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 5: But to me, when I look, you know, Ray intelligently

918
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 5: reference that fight against frank Kickert. How long ago was

919
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 5: that frankiekerf And we're seeing the exact same thing, Like

920
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,240
Speaker 5: we're not seeing these major jumps in the game. And listen,

921
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 5: just because yeah, ear go out goes out there and submits,

922
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 5: you know, gets a quick triagle against someone, You're like, wow,

923
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 5: he's way better. But what is it like when he

924
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 5: doesn't get that? Like it's in the transition and this

925
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 5: in the positional game where you need to make your gains,

926
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 5: and to me, I just didn't see that. So that's

927
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,879
Speaker 5: a little concerning. And again, you look at a guy

928
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 5: like Belaw who comes from the same camp as Yau, right,

929
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 5: I mean they train them the same guy. I mean,

930
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 5: Belall is a dude who is as disciplined as they come.

931
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 5: He's one of the smartest fighters in the game, and

932
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 5: he only uses his toughness if he needs to, right,

933
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 5: And I think for Yaeir, I don't know. I just

934
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 5: don't see that same approach. And they're from the same camp,

935
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 5: but I don't see that same discipline. I don't see

936
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 5: that same kind of sticking to the strategies game planning

937
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 5: on the level of a Belall, And you can just

938
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 5: kind of see the difference in how people approach the game,

939
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,879
Speaker 5: and it's just it's pretty apparent. I think.

940
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 4: Yeah. And I gotta tell you, sometimes the worst thing

941
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 4: that could happen to you is you go to your

942
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 4: back and you triangle the guy because you think you're

943
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 4: gonna do that to everybody, and that's where the issue

944
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 4: comes in, and then it takes you before you know what,

945
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,919
Speaker 4: two years goes by. I will say this like that's

946
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 4: the one thing I love about Morob he is a

947
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 4: he exemplifies win or learn. I mean, his the corrections

948
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 4: we made with him at the beginning. One fight he lost,

949
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,839
Speaker 4: he got stuck in the mount. That wasn't gonna happen again.

950
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,280
Speaker 4: He just went right back and corrected it. Ricky ban Deyez.

951
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 4: He fought Ricky and Ricky took him down over and

952
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 4: over again. That's when he started correcting his wrestling. And

953
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 4: that's why he's got that bond with al Jo, because

954
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 4: he couldn't get away with that with Aljo when they

955
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,280
Speaker 4: spot and he thought, you know, he was a mad hatter,

956
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 4: but even that wasn't good enough, you know what I mean,

957
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 4: and al Jo that's why he's got the respect for

958
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 4: al Jo. Al Jo really tightened up that guy's wrestling game,

959
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,399
Speaker 4: and he should never fight him because you know, I mean,

960
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 4: al Jo put a lot of time in with that.

961
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 4: And that's why I think you see Morob always you know,

962
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 4: given al Joe credit, because that's what happened. Aljo really

963
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,800
Speaker 4: tightened up his wrestling game. And now you got a

964
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 4: guy carrying a gold medal winner across the octagon and

965
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 4: talking to Mark Zuckerberg, one of the richest guys in

966
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 4: the fucking world. This is what ibe. But it's not

967
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 4: an accident. That's what I'm trying to say. He never

968
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 4: ever lost a fight and didn't make the corrections. Go

969
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 4: back and look at his fight with Frankie Science. I mean,

970
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,800
Speaker 4: what do he had fourteen takedowns, but he was flying

971
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 4: over his back, no control, he was crazy. Just look

972
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 4: at his progression going up.

973
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 8: Look at it.

974
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 4: He tightened everything up. Still a ways to go in

975
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 4: a lot of areas. But when you put you know

976
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 4: dedication and animosity and you know killer instinct and the

977
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 4: enjoyment of fighting, like he's not going to back away

978
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 4: from something he doesn't like to do. He's going to

979
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 4: attack it and get it to where he doesn't like

980
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 4: that feeling of being taken down.

981
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 7: It's amazing to harken back to those early training sessions

982
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 7: between Morob and al Jamina Sterling. Right now, hard work

983
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 7: and dedication right No in Mayweather say what you want

984
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 7: about him, but if you were working harder, especially in

985
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 7: his prime. And I do think the Hatter is actually

986
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 7: a great nickname for Mirob Dwallish Willie, but he's the

987
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 7: machine and that one's probably better Kenny real quick. So

988
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 7: I remember when Kenny started working on his wrestling with

989
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 7: Sean Gray at Boston University, and he would come to

990
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 7: ESPN and be like, yeah, I just I just should

991
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 7: have been doing this way sooner. And it's just hard

992
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 7: to sort of close a gap when you know Kenny's

993
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 7: playing soccer competitively at a very high level for much

994
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 7: of his life and doing jiu jitsu but not really

995
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 7: wrestling like Kenny. I've had conversations with Carla Esparza and

996
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 7: Henry Sahudo just about their own wrestling maintenance, right, never

997
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 7: mind the jiu jitsu maintenance. Nothing fun about some of

998
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 7: those things. But if you think for a second that

999
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 7: Carla Esparza doesn't maintain her wrestling chops, otherwise it goes away.

1000
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 5: There's no question about it. I think you have these

1001
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 5: perishable skills. Everything in combat is you have a perishable skill.

1002
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 5: If you're not doing it every single day, then you

1003
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 5: lose it. It's not one of those things like ride

1004
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 5: the bike, you learn and then you're good. You will

1005
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 5: learn it very very quickly. You will learn very very

1006
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 5: quickly that you have to be working on it all

1007
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,839
Speaker 5: the time. And for me, in my case, it's like, hey,

1008
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 5: my wrestling's holding up. I'm doing good against some of

1009
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 5: these guys. I'm doing okay, Like I'm submitting some of

1010
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 5: these guys, or you know, I'm taking a lot of

1011
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 5: these guys down. Well, that still may not be good

1012
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 5: enough because maybe you're not training with the best wrestlers

1013
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 5: you can find. So you got to go out and

1014
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 5: find the best guys that you can and then you

1015
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 5: will find out, Hey, there's levels to this game. So

1016
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 5: putting yourself in those uncomfortable spots, training with different people,

1017
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,280
Speaker 5: new people as much as you can, getting the hardest

1018
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 5: guy in the room working it to like, you know,

1019
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 5: it's one thing. Let's say you're working striking, for example,

1020
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 5: but you're working striking against wrestlers and you're like, I'm

1021
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 5: the man, dude, I'm killing everybody on the feet. It's like, no, no,

1022
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 5: go go do that against the best striker of the room. Yeah,

1023
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 5: do your jiu jitsu against the best guy on the ground.

1024
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 5: Do your wrestling against the best wrestler in the room.

1025
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 5: Like that's what you need to be working on. And

1026
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 5: sometimes you just get comfortable, or sometimes you have a

1027
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 5: training partner you just kind of know the ins and

1028
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 5: out of their game, and you think you're doing great

1029
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 5: against wrestlers, but it just happens to be that training

1030
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 5: partner that you know extremely well. So there's a lot

1031
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 5: to it, no question about it. But that's what makes

1032
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 5: this game so exciting, so frustrating, but also so exciting

1033
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 5: and interesting.

1034
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, and John, the blueprint is there. It's an easy

1035
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 4: blueprint if you could follow it. But when Kenny was fighting,

1036
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 4: we were in like an arms race. Everybody was learning.

1037
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 4: You came in with it's different today, but back then

1038
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 4: it was like, what's that guy doing for strength? And

1039
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 4: can doubt that guy's going?

1040
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're all learning.

1041
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, everybody was on the it was on the job training. Man.

1042
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 4: It was a beautiful period of time because it was

1043
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 4: a lot of fun Kenny back then picking up new

1044
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 4: skill sets. Now it's different. That's why these wrestlers that

1045
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 4: come in they've been through the grind for probably ten years.

1046
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 4: Animal every day. I watched the kids when we had

1047
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,359
Speaker 4: the wrestling program at the gym. These are young kids

1048
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 4: every day grinding it out. By the time they get

1049
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 4: the twenty years old they were, they have a skill set,

1050
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 4: they have the mentality, and it's easier I think to

1051
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 4: pick up jiu jitsu at that point than it is

1052
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 4: going the other way around, you know, unless you you know,

1053
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 4: but look a Jersey. Some of these states in New York,

1054
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 4: they have great wrestling programs, you know, so the blueprint

1055
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 4: is there. But I you know, I do think it

1056
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 4: comes down to human nature and people are going to

1057
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 4: always acquiesce to what they feel good doing, you know

1058
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 4: what I mean, just in life in general, you know

1059
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 4: what I mean. But the guys that don't, those are

1060
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 4: the guys that go to the top man, you know

1061
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 4: what I mean. Like even for the wrestlers, I mean,

1062
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 4: I quit the he spawned pro boxes all the time.

1063
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 4: Like it's just you know, back in the day, I

1064
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,439
Speaker 4: would be scared shit to bring the guys, To bring

1065
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 4: guys to the pal just to test their confidence and

1066
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 4: to see if they have the heart to do is

1067
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 4: because they were going to get a beating. Now everything's

1068
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:54,399
Speaker 4: kind of equaled up. You know, you could you could

1069
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,280
Speaker 4: go in and box with a box, like Kenny says,

1070
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 4: get a good wrestler, go in and wrestle with him.

1071
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 4: It's it's it's doable. It's there if you put the

1072
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 4: time in and uh yeah, I think, yeah, yeah, just

1073
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 4: you know, go reference him back to that fight. Just

1074
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 4: maybe he's just having a good time doing what he's

1075
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 4: doing and he doesn't care. I don't know, but you

1076
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 4: can't tell me that guy put the time in in

1077
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 4: the wrestling US. We would see it.

1078
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 7: You know, you said, see I've hit pads though, Man, huh, guy,

1079
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 7: can fuck listen?

1080
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 4: You said it? John, His stand up is phenomenal. He

1081
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 4: tuned up Brian Otega. How impressive was a win for

1082
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 4: Brian o'tega in that fashion? You look like those life

1083
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 4: oards after the first round had to be disastrous. Then

1084
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 4: after the second round they went on Brian o'tega's favor.

1085
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 4: You saw what was gonna come. He survived that storm.

1086
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 4: You know, it's the old jiu jitsu editor. Survive first

1087
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 4: then win. That's what he did. He got out of

1088
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,399
Speaker 4: that first round, he came back and God bless him. Man,

1089
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 4: that was a great fight to watch, and I think

1090
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 4: there's so much people could learn from that fight.

1091
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 7: It's incredible well, and there's parallels to be drawn to

1092
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 7: an average man like me. Right, my comfort zone is

1093
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 7: more going out and running four or five miles, But

1094
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 7: I see much greater gains when I'm actually doing strength

1095
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,399
Speaker 7: and conditioning three or four times a week, even though

1096
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,879
Speaker 7: that for me is much harder, And when I am

1097
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 7: in the realm of doing that and running less, I

1098
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 7: notice major changes in my body as opposed to just

1099
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 7: burning muscle every time I go run five miles. And

1100
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 7: I will say too, Kenny and Raymond. If our UFC

1101
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 7: Hall of Fame matchmaker Joe Silva was still around, I

1102
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 7: can almost guarantee you he's asking Yaya Rodriguez to fight Movsar,

1103
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 7: Ivloyev or Diego Lopez or one of those guys. Right

1104
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 7: all right, now you're going to have to go through

1105
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 7: a training camp where all you do is wrestle, otherwise

1106
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 7: Movsar is going to eat you for dinner.

1107
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 5: Right well. I think it's interesting also from the standpoint

1108
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 5: of Ortega being so good with the submissions on the ground,

1109
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,359
Speaker 5: It's like, okay with Looyev. I know he's done very

1110
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 5: well against people taking them down, but it hasn't been

1111
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 5: Brian Ortega. He has one of the sharpest special games

1112
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 5: in the UFC period in my opinion, So I think

1113
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 5: just that alone makes a difference. But you know, I

1114
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 5: posted something that actually thought Round one of that fight

1115
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 5: was a ten eight based on the knockdown, based on

1116
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 5: the fact that I thought Ortega was hurt probably two

1117
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 5: or three times badly before that. I know he came

1118
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 5: back at the very end of that game, but he

1119
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 5: didn't really land any strikes. Is that crazy to think?

1120
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: I mean, and I've at least been close to a

1121
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: ten eight.

1122
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:26,240
Speaker 5: I thought, right, No, I agree.

1123
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 4: With you on that. I'll think you but before I

1124
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 4: get ahead, before I get out of your holy shit,

1125
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 4: that head and No'm choked. The way he put that

1126
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 4: thing on, dude, that you might as well put that

1127
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 4: kid's head and the vice that was instant. Man, when

1128
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,359
Speaker 4: I saw him what he had, he must have cut

1129
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 4: off ten out. The reason with that he just that

1130
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 4: thing was that was beautiful and he's got to have

1131
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 4: tremendous squeeze strength, I would imagine. Plus the way he

1132
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 4: put that on, Damn, there was no place to go.

1133
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 4: Do you know that was a rap right away?

1134
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:57,800
Speaker 7: Yeah? And I really feel good for Brian Ortegue. I

1135
00:53:57,840 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 7: got to know him a little bit doing a Toyo

1136
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 7: tires commerce She'll shoot a couple of months ago, and

1137
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 7: you just feel good for this kid who has dealt

1138
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 7: with a lot of personal and professional adversity and the

1139
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 7: shoulder injury of course, and missing big chunks of his

1140
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 7: fighting prime. To come back in this setting in Mexico

1141
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 7: City in a rematch, lose the first round the way

1142
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 7: he did, and then to get a submission in round three. Uh,

1143
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 7: gotta feel good for the fan favorite T City Brian Ortega, Raymond.

1144
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 7: Can I get your thoughts on Brandon roy Vall and

1145
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 7: Brandon Moreno in the main event?

1146
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 4: Yeah? One quick thing though. Wait, he went out in

1147
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 4: the first fight John and then when he jumped up

1148
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 4: and rolled his ankle, I go home and shit, this

1149
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 4: kid is cursed. Please don't do this. Please just go

1150
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 4: out there with one leg and just fight. I felt

1151
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 4: so bid when I saw that, I go, holy crap.

1152
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 4: But God bless him. He did a great job.

1153
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: Main event, the main event.

1154
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:55,879
Speaker 4: I don't know what the hell it was looking at Kenny.

1155
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 7: We'll take your honesty, We'll take your honesty.

1156
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 4: I kind of don't know what Morena was just I

1157
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 4: was just okay for me. I'll tell you what. Loosten

1158
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 4: the other kid, roy val tremendous pace. You know, not

1159
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 4: a big puncher, but he gets his combos off knees

1160
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 4: are very dangerous. His left kickers, you know, his left

1161
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:20,280
Speaker 4: side is you know, obviously his secret to his success

1162
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,360
Speaker 4: and his pace. Moreno, when he was dancing around the

1163
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 4: first round, I don't know what was going on. Uh.

1164
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:32,320
Speaker 4: I don't know if he started looking like winging punches.

1165
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:34,359
Speaker 4: I mean he did land the biggest shots. They had

1166
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 4: the bigger effect. I think they got the scorecard right,

1167
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 4: if that's what you're asking him. But I kind of

1168
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 4: started after the your Taga fight. It was like anti

1169
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:46,839
Speaker 4: climatic to me. I started drifting out of that fight

1170
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:48,879
Speaker 4: a little bit. And I'm just being honest. Now that's

1171
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 4: fair because it wasn't one of those fights like your

1172
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 4: take a fight you're engaged, like you can't move. This

1173
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,720
Speaker 4: is you know this fight. There were gaps where nothing

1174
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,280
Speaker 4: was you know, roy Val was trying to push the

1175
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 4: the other guy was moving. I got to think about that.

1176
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 4: I'm a little.

1177
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 1: Confusib that's off fare.

1178
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 4: I think Kenny.

1179
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 7: Well I felt like Moreno just wasn't throwing his usual combinations,

1180
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 7: never really found that flow state at all. And I

1181
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 7: know Cody suggestive here in the chat of maybe Moreno

1182
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:21,800
Speaker 7: seemed like he was sparring.

1183
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:23,240
Speaker 1: I don't know, Kenny.

1184
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 7: I don't know if there's like, you know, just some

1185
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 7: high level UFC performance fatigue going on.

1186
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:30,839
Speaker 1: I just I don't know, man.

1187
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 7: I think for Moreno, he's asked a lot of himself

1188
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 7: over the last three or four years, and uh, yeah,

1189
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 7: this just wasn't it.

1190
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 1: You know. I know he could have won the fight

1191
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: and it was close, but this just wasn't it.

1192
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 5: Yeah. I think he's still trying to figure out, like

1193
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:45,320
Speaker 5: what allows him to compete at his best. And that's fair, Hey, listen,

1194
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,280
Speaker 5: we all kind of have to go through that process

1195
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 5: what allows us to get us going and bring our best.

1196
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 5: But you know, I've seen Moreno fired up, punching his fist,

1197
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 5: getting ready to go when they're yelling, and I've seen

1198
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 5: him just kind of calmly smiling into the octagon. I

1199
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 5: don't know if that plays the part. I don't know

1200
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 5: if it's the training. I don't know if whether he's

1201
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 5: meshing with the camp or not. You know, these are

1202
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 5: all these are all things and has nothing. There's so

1203
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 5: many factors that go into a fight. It's hard to

1204
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 5: identify just one thing, especially if you know, I'm just

1205
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 5: looking from the outside looking in, but it's something wasn't working.

1206
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:21,439
Speaker 5: And I think Ray kind of nailed it and said

1207
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 5: the same thing I did right to start off the

1208
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 5: show was I don't think he even really knew what

1209
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 5: he was supposed to be doing at It was like

1210
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 5: he was just kind of throwing a bunch of like

1211
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 5: stuff out there and seeing what was going to stick.

1212
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 5: And if you're doing that at the highest levels of

1213
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 5: the UFC, man, you just can't. And I don't know.

1214
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 5: I think there was a little bit of confusion on

1215
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 5: the part of Moreno how he was actually supposed to

1216
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 5: approach the fight against Roybal, But so I don't know.

1217
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I want to say one thing. It could be,

1218
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 4: you know, we got to give credit to roy Val

1219
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 4: because he's gotta you know, we can't take that away either.

1220
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 4: Where we're looking at Moreno, I mean him, the fights

1221
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 4: with uh Figureedo were phenomenal. I thought, I mean, you

1222
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 4: could see a different intensity. I just wasn't feeling that.

1223
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 4: But I don't want to, you know, I again when

1224
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 4: I say that the other kid was good, he was aggressive. Yeah,

1225
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 4: he's got he looks like his cardio could go forever.

1226
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 4: He's got the cuckoo gene to he's going to keep

1227
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 4: pushing yep, and he was definitely the more consistent guy

1228
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 4: I thought. But you know, I want to give roy

1229
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 4: Valk credit for maybe disrupting his total game plan, so

1230
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 4: I don't want to overlook that either. That's fair, but moreno,

1231
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 4: you got to say we've seen them look way better

1232
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 4: in the past. That's what I don't like is that

1233
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 4: the progression didn't go forward. It looks like it slipped

1234
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 4: backwards a little bit. And he's a great fighter. But

1235
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1236
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 7: Historic output from Brandon roy Vall, even if he did

1237
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 7: miss a lot in this fight. But I don't think

1238
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 7: any fighter has thrown more strikes other than Max Holloway, who,

1239
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 7: of course is immortalized behind me for his January twenty

1240
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 7: twenty one triumph over Calvin Cater over five rounds on

1241
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 7: Fight Island. But congrats to Brandon roy Valland yes, it

1242
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 7: seems like there's not an obvious number one flyway contender. Rayman,

1243
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:07,439
Speaker 7: it's Sue bad your guy, and Rob Dwallach really can't

1244
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 7: make one twenty five. He barely make thirty five.

1245
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 4: You know, Originally, originally this is ten years ago, the

1246
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 4: game plan was he'll fight on the local circuit at

1247
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 4: thirty five, and then when he gets to the UFC,

1248
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 4: he'll go twenty five. That was definitely the original concept

1249
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 4: years ago, and I'm glad it worked out for him

1250
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 4: this way, because, yeah, twenty five would be tough, and

1251
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 4: he crushed it at thirty five, so pow it to him.

1252
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 4: I think he crushed it at thirty five, so he

1253
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 4: wouldn't have to make twenty five, right more like that's

1254
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 4: I think that's the guy. He is man.

1255
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 7: So well, hey, this division with respect could use Pumi

1256
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 7: Nakuda right now.

1257
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 4: I mean, give the kid a shot.

1258
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 1: No, hey, I mean it's not up to me. I

1259
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 1: mean I don't.

1260
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 4: I mean it's crazy.

1261
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: I don't wield a lot of power.

1262
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 7: But it would seem to me like he would be

1263
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 7: a great signee for the UFC right now. And it's

1264
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 7: not to denigrate the top of this division. You know,

1265
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 7: Charles Johnson and some other fighters have come to the

1266
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 7: defense of a lot of these contenders. A lot of

1267
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 7: them either are not available health wise, or there's maybe

1268
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 7: too much history recent or otherwise with Alechandre Pantosia, and

1269
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 7: as such, there's not an obvious flyway title challenger. But

1270
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 7: I feel pretty convicted in saying one way or another,

1271
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 7: Pantosa is defending this belt nine and a half weeks

1272
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 7: and it's gonna be against one of these guys.

1273
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 4: So yeah, which is which is? I mean, how many

1274
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 4: times did Figuredo fight Moreno?

1275
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 1: Three, four?

1276
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 4: Four? It was?

1277
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, and he's already Reno and Pantos have

1278
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 7: already fought four times. One was an exhibition on the

1279
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 7: ultimate fighter, right, But those guys have already fought four times,

1280
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 7: and roy Val has fought Pantosa twice as well.

1281
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 5: So yeah, I would.

1282
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 4: Think by talking to McK main even about Pomy, that

1283
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 4: he was not happy with that main event. I kind

1284
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 4: of I don't know if I'm correct on that.

1285
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 1: No, I think you probably are.

1286
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 4: And the whole landscape looks like it's like where are

1287
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 4: we going? Yeah?

1288
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Speaker 1: All right, Ray, before I let you go.

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Speaker 7: I ordered the PFL pay per view this weekend because

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01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 7: I wanted to see Johnny Evelin against our friend Impac

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01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 7: Hasan Ganai. Yeah, and I also wanted to see this

1292
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 7: heavyweight Handan Fajita against Ryan Bader. You know, size matters, right,

1293
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 7: size matters, and I think Fajita size Kenny was honestly

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01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 7: the reason why I bought this pay per view, So, Ray,

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01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 7: could we just get a few thoughts from you on

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01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 7: the heavyweights and potentially Francis and Gano's next opponent in

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01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 7: Mma Hanan Fajita after he disposes of Ryan Bader properly.

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Speaker 4: Uh, I want my money back because I didn't hear

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01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 4: Kenny's voice.

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01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 1: Well, that's a whole different conversation.

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01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 4: That's a whole different time. I bought that pay for

1302
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 4: view just to support my buddy. I almost broke the TV,

1303
01:01:56,680 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 4: to be honest with you. But saga fight that was

1304
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 4: I thought that was a good fight. That that was

1305
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 4: a great fight. Evelin's tough man. I mean he got

1306
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 4: he got his he got his bell rock. But again,

1307
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 4: the wrestling, the mentality, the grind, that's what won the fight, right,

1308
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 4: I mean he had to take a beating, but then

1309
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 4: he did come back and you know and win that fight. Uh,

1310
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 4: A close fight, though, it has what a great progression

1311
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 4: that guy said, He's got nothing to be ashamed of.

1312
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 4: I did think he took his foot off the pedal

1313
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 4: in the third round, but and in a five round fight,

1314
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 4: you could see Evelin would just grind that heep grinding

1315
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 4: it out. Uh, But hats off to both of those guys.

1316
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 4: I like Eblin. I really I would love to see

1317
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 4: him fight at the highest level possible, you know what

1318
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 4: I mean, because I think he deserves that. He looks

1319
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 4: he looks good, he looks like he loves being in there.

1320
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 4: I enjoy watching him fight. Man, He's great and and

1321
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 4: hats off the Kasagay because he's been up and down

1322
01:02:57,600 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 4: and looks like he's got his feet under him. He's

1323
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 4: he's going to have a great career moving forward. I

1324
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 4: think he's still a young kid if I'm not mistaken. Yeah,

1325
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 4: and a sweetheart and a sweetheart of a guy. John

1326
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 4: all the best of guys.

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01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 5: Right.

1328
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 7: He's got me reading the Bible, right, If I'm reading

1329
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 7: the Bible, you know that he has had a profound

1330
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 7: impact on me, Kenny, Johnny Eblin. You know, our UFC

1331
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 7: producer Zach Candid was sort of asking me if this

1332
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 7: was a good win or a bad win in so

1333
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 7: many words, for Johnny Eblin, I feel like the value

1334
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 7: of these fifteen minutes may not be realized until a

1335
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 7: later date, right, But to fight someone like Impakasang and I.

1336
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 1: Who you know, is not going away.

1337
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 7: Who's maybe a little bit bigger naturally for Johnny Eblin

1338
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 7: to bite down on the gum shield, fight through the

1339
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 7: adversity and finish the fight as strongly as he did.

1340
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 1: I'm very intrigued by Johnny Evlin. Can't flow your thoughts?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you summed it up beautifully. I think that Eblin

1342
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 5: proved his toughness, that he isn't just a hammer. He

1343
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 5: can be the nail and find a way to come

1344
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 5: back and lean on his wrestling and his ability to

1345
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 5: grind through and win those critical rounds. And I agree

1346
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 5: with Ray there that you know, IMPA kind of let

1347
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 5: us foot off the gas a little bit. Now, it

1348
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 5: was close enough where I think there's an argument that

1349
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:08,919
Speaker 5: maybe EMPA won that fight right to a certain extent,

1350
01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 5: especially some of the damage he landed on the feet

1351
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 5: all that stuff, But it's not a good look. Did

1352
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 5: he do everything possible to make it look better for

1353
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 5: his case? I don't know. I think he could have

1354
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 5: done some things, stayed a little bit more active, and

1355
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 5: I think that's where he got thrown off a little bit,

1356
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 5: if I'm being honest. And I also think that IMPA

1357
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 5: is far better than people realize the gains that he

1358
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:35,120
Speaker 5: has made in the last couple of years on working

1359
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 5: on his game as a striker, as a grappler, as

1360
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 5: a knockout artist, all of those things have been vastly

1361
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 5: improved since he left the UFC and really had to

1362
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 5: reorganize how he thinks about the sport, how he trains

1363
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 5: in the sport. And you know so, I think Eblin

1364
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 5: really found out how good EMPA is. But it's the

1365
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 5: champions that find a way to get it done when

1366
01:04:57,440 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 5: it's not going so well, and I think that's what

1367
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 5: improved at the end of the day. I think it's

1368
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,800
Speaker 5: a fantastic fighter. I also think that as a fan,

1369
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 5: we kind of got robbed of seeing five rounds. I

1370
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 5: don't know why, if I'm being honest. Why weren't these

1371
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 5: championship fights? Why did they have championship rounds for a

1372
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 5: championship fight. Why didn't we see five rounds? It made

1373
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 5: no sense to me. But anyways, you know so, I

1374
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 5: think things would have been very interesting if we saw

1375
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 5: rounds four and five. But uh yeah, man, just kind

1376
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:29,600
Speaker 5: of a head scratcher there. But it was a great fight.

1377
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 5: High level mixed martial arts drama both guys fought extremely well.

1378
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:35,520
Speaker 5: I love the fight.

1379
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, and let me say one thing. I think Evelin

1380
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 4: grows tremendously from this fight. I think he was the

1381
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:43,439
Speaker 4: type of guy he loves being in a never really

1382
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 4: got rock like that. Now he knows, you know what,

1383
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 4: I gotta I gotta square up a couple of things,

1384
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 4: and I think he's gonna he's gonna come out of there.

1385
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:55,280
Speaker 4: For even as good as he is, he's gonna grow

1386
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 4: from that. I think for the first time, I think

1387
01:05:57,080 --> 01:06:00,919
Speaker 4: he hit hit the adversity from getting you know, standpoint,

1388
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:03,600
Speaker 4: and he now knows that, you know what, against certain guys,

1389
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:05,920
Speaker 4: I'm going to have to approach it maybe a little

1390
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 4: differently because you know, he's tough as a motherfucker, There's

1391
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 4: no question about that. So I think he's going to

1392
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:14,160
Speaker 4: get better and like again, I'd love to see him

1393
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 4: at the top, highest level of competition.

1394
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, been a good few months for American top team

1395
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 7: here in Coconut Creek, Florida. All Right, Ray, before we

1396
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:25,560
Speaker 7: let you go, talk to me about this Hennan Fajita

1397
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 7: and how you might handicap his chances against Francis and Gano.

1398
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 1: This dude is fucking massive. That's got to count for something.

1399
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:36,160
Speaker 4: Well, I think so, Look it's uh, I mean, look,

1400
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 4: Ryan Beta had a great resurrection of his career, but

1401
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:42,560
Speaker 4: he's an older guy now too, so it's hard to

1402
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 4: you know, base anything on that. Uh. Look, with Francis,

1403
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:49,920
Speaker 4: it's always this. It's the firstest with the mostest is

1404
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:52,200
Speaker 4: the bestest. You know, you got two big guys like that.

1405
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:56,640
Speaker 4: I can't see him going back and forth in the pocket,

1406
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 4: you know, yea for very long. Kenny, I think it's

1407
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 4: they both have that knockout power at a very high level,

1408
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 4: and I think it's going to be what it gets

1409
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 4: there first based on what I saw. I never really

1410
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 4: saw the other guy, you know, based on that before

1411
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:14,360
Speaker 4: I get out of here, though, please, I had a

1412
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:16,920
Speaker 4: kid Levon. I came and get his last name correct.

1413
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 4: Another he's in that occupied land of Georgia that I

1414
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:24,520
Speaker 4: guess Russians, So whatever that, I forget what that makes him,

1415
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 4: But what an outstanding when he had his first fight,

1416
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 4: watched his kid. I think he's going to do something.

1417
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 4: His stand up Kenny is phenomenal and exactly what we

1418
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:38,680
Speaker 4: talked about. He'll be working that wrestling in Jiu jitsu.

1419
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 4: That's it. His stand up. I don't even think to

1420
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 4: get it much better. So watch out for this kid.

1421
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:47,360
Speaker 4: He had his first win. Shout out to Eric Hyer

1422
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 4: and not Nazem Sadi Cuff. They did a great job.

1423
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 4: They took him up to Buffalo with the LFA. He

1424
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:56,160
Speaker 4: did have a couple of hits after the bell, which

1425
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 4: was not a good look. But I could tell you

1426
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 4: I'll vouch for the k it will never happen again.

1427
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:04,000
Speaker 4: He's such a nice kid in the gym, but he's

1428
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:06,439
Speaker 4: been dying to fight. Nobody would take a fight with him.

1429
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:10,000
Speaker 4: And I think the just the rage and everything just

1430
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:13,360
Speaker 4: came out and he was just like an uncaged animal.

1431
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:15,400
Speaker 4: But then you know, he goes right back to being

1432
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 4: a humble, really really nice kid. So what wait does

1433
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 4: he fifty five? Which you know, and I thought we

1434
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 4: saw a lot of good fifty five is on the

1435
01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 4: UFC some of those that moreno that zel Wiggers, zel

1436
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:31,599
Speaker 4: Huber and Manelarez. There's some good guys, man.

1437
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why class in the UFC don't.

1438
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:37,920
Speaker 4: Yeah that Wayliss, I think is Keller stacked.

1439
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 7: Yeah, Ray Longo made it every week here on the

1440
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 7: Anakin Florian podcast. You can follow him on ex at

1441
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:48,519
Speaker 7: Ray Longo MMA and on Instagram just search Ray long Ago.

1442
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 7: It ends nine to three five eight. Hey, really enjoying

1443
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 7: you on this new setup. Man, when's the next haircut?

1444
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:54,479
Speaker 7: When's the next haircut?

1445
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:58,880
Speaker 4: We're coming. We're coming, Uh not this week, the following week.

1446
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 1: All right, but uh, that's it?

1447
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:03,720
Speaker 4: What else do we get? That was it?

1448
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1449
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:06,320
Speaker 1: You're good to go. Shout out anything else?

1450
01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 4: Shout out to Will Berger. What a fine young man,

1451
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 4: this guy?

1452
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 1: How about that?

1453
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 4: This kid is phenomenal. You guys did the right thing.

1454
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 4: I could, I could. My wife loved him, Oh great,

1455
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:21,000
Speaker 4: my dog Lucky loved him. Everybody loved He's a really

1456
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:21,559
Speaker 4: nice kid.

1457
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:22,559
Speaker 1: No, he's the best.

1458
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 4: Anything we could do to help that guy, or I

1459
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:26,960
Speaker 4: could do? You say? The word is getting done?

1460
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:27,519
Speaker 5: All right.

1461
01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 7: We're trying to get him some audio work with the UFC,

1462
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 7: So Ryan Mitchell, Miles Lafoss, if you're listening, can't go

1463
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 7: bring him into the fold. Our underpaid production assistant, wil

1464
01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:38,760
Speaker 7: Berger getting a nice shout out there in the Ray

1465
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:40,080
Speaker 7: long a minute. Ray, get the fuck out of here.

1466
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:42,160
Speaker 7: We'll talk to you next week, right, all right, guys, take

1467
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:45,160
Speaker 7: it easy. Thanks the Ray Long a minute every week

1468
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 7: here on the anticin Floran podcast Can Full. I do

1469
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:50,320
Speaker 7: need to get your thoughts on Hanan Fijeda before we

1470
01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 7: move forward problema.

1471
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:55,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, listen, this guy he can crack. And it's

1472
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:57,799
Speaker 5: one thing to be six foot nine, John, it's another

1473
01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:00,840
Speaker 5: thing to be six foot nine be able to move

1474
01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:04,080
Speaker 5: like a cornerback in the NFL. This guy, he has

1475
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:08,120
Speaker 5: crazy athleticism. He does a backflip off of one leg. Okay,

1476
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:10,599
Speaker 5: just to give you an idea how powerful this dude is.

1477
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:13,840
Speaker 5: That is someone who is six foot nine that countershot

1478
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:16,599
Speaker 5: that he hit against Bader. You don't see a lot

1479
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:19,439
Speaker 5: of dudes at heavyweight do it like that, and do

1480
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 5: it that with that kind of execution and speed. Again,

1481
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:27,000
Speaker 5: six foot nine, it's crazy, and I think that there's

1482
01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:29,400
Speaker 5: other things that he needs to work on. But I

1483
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 5: will say this, he has come a long way since

1484
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:34,520
Speaker 5: the first time that I saw him in the PFL.

1485
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 5: I do think he's a legitimate threat to anybody. If

1486
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:40,439
Speaker 5: you want to stand up and trade with Hanan Tejeda,

1487
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:44,440
Speaker 5: watch out. I think where he's vulnerable is on the takedown,

1488
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:46,680
Speaker 5: is on the ground, fighting off of his back and

1489
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:49,559
Speaker 5: things like that. You know, he is a Brazilian jujitsu

1490
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 5: black belt, but still needs a lot of work in

1491
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:54,760
Speaker 5: that area and kind of understanding where he is in

1492
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:56,320
Speaker 5: the cage and what he needs to do to get

1493
01:10:56,320 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 5: back to his feet and things. But he is very

1494
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:03,719
Speaker 5: explosive and if he lands a big shot, he could

1495
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:06,240
Speaker 5: take you out. Now, whether he ends up fighting Francis

1496
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:08,599
Speaker 5: and Gano or not, I have no idea. I think

1497
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:10,519
Speaker 5: there was a huge miss at the end of that

1498
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:13,439
Speaker 5: event when you have Francis and Gano walking away from

1499
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:16,720
Speaker 5: the cage while Francis and Gano while Pennant Fajeda is

1500
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:19,439
Speaker 5: getting a belt around his waist and Francis and Gotto's

1501
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 5: just got a way, you know, walking away. I don't

1502
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 5: think that's a great side if I'm being honest. So right,

1503
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:26,040
Speaker 5: I don't know what's gonna happen there. It's like, Hey,

1504
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:28,320
Speaker 5: the whole point was to find out who's gonna fight

1505
01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:30,439
Speaker 5: Francis and Gana. Do you have franc and Goanna be like, okay,

1506
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:33,160
Speaker 5: have the events over, Take it easy, guys. We never

1507
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 5: got the photo off, We never got you know, any

1508
01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 5: build up of that fight after that, So I don't know, man,

1509
01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:40,240
Speaker 5: it was. It was kind of a mess in a

1510
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:41,840
Speaker 5: lot of different ways of being honest.

1511
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 7: I was just gonna say, I'm not gonna hold my

1512
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:46,439
Speaker 7: breath that that fight actually happens. And if you want

1513
01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:48,559
Speaker 7: to suggest that Francis and Ghana was just being a

1514
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:51,160
Speaker 7: good egg and allowing for Haita to have his moment,

1515
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 7: and I respect that and.

1516
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:53,840
Speaker 1: Maybe that's why he left.

1517
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 7: But not a great visual at all when you have

1518
01:11:56,360 --> 01:11:59,679
Speaker 7: a cameraman sending you know, you have a cameraman following

1519
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 7: Francis Gano as he is leaving instead of doing a

1520
01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:04,880
Speaker 7: stare down with uh Hanan Fajeda. But it will be

1521
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:06,800
Speaker 7: interesting if the fight happens because in God has been

1522
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:09,840
Speaker 7: doing a lot of boxing training and that would be

1523
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 7: a mixed martial arts contest. I would submit to you

1524
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:14,120
Speaker 7: that maybe Hanan Fajeda is a live underdog if that

1525
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 7: fight actually happens. All right, now, time to bring on

1526
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:19,640
Speaker 7: Brian Petrie on social media. You can find him at

1527
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:22,920
Speaker 7: Brian Petrie Mma. As we transition to our UFC Fight

1528
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:27,240
Speaker 7: Night this weekend featuring Biggie Boy, Jarseno, Rosenstrike and Shamille

1529
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:28,800
Speaker 7: gazebe What's Up.

1530
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:30,160
Speaker 1: EP what's going on?

1531
01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:30,519
Speaker 4: Boys?

1532
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:32,920
Speaker 1: First off, Ray looked fantastic.

1533
01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:33,679
Speaker 4: Sean.

1534
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:36,599
Speaker 7: That's your color, my guy, if you can get him

1535
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:41,000
Speaker 7: a jail rightoot on the UFC, I mean chicks everywhere.

1536
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:43,840
Speaker 7: We soak in the shorts and can flow fifty to

1537
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:45,240
Speaker 7: fifty Ryan hallshirt.

1538
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:48,920
Speaker 1: I love it, buddy. You guys look fantastic. Let's fucking go. Well,

1539
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:49,479
Speaker 1: thank you, buddy.

1540
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:51,680
Speaker 7: It's always a privileged for us to be able to

1541
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:54,880
Speaker 7: talk with you in advance of a UFC fight.

1542
01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 1: And I or pay per view.

1543
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:59,080
Speaker 7: Now, we got a couple of name files today, and

1544
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:01,960
Speaker 7: some people really like the pronunciation of the week Some

1545
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:04,639
Speaker 7: people don't necessarily like this segment. We feel like it's

1546
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:06,800
Speaker 7: a public service announcement, but I'm not sure that the

1547
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:11,480
Speaker 7: right people are actually listening to it. But Umar Kabib's

1548
01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:14,479
Speaker 7: cousin is fighting this weekend, and so I did the

1549
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:17,800
Speaker 7: voiceovers over the weekend, and I pulled up Umar's name

1550
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:21,400
Speaker 7: file just to make sure. And what I noticed is

1551
01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:25,400
Speaker 7: that one of the vowel sounds is different than you

1552
01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:28,040
Speaker 7: might expect. So do you care to reckon how we

1553
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:31,000
Speaker 7: pronounce Umar's last name? Bri This is embarrassing because this

1554
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:33,439
Speaker 7: is a royalty name in Mma, and I butcher it

1555
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:35,519
Speaker 7: every fucking time, so I'm going to go very slow.

1556
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:39,960
Speaker 7: It's Umar Nermoga made off is what I would get.

1557
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:42,240
Speaker 1: So's that circle gets the square?

1558
01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:45,840
Speaker 7: So, Kenny, you know magamet Uncliev, right, it's spelled m

1559
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 7: a g o m ed but it's not mago met

1560
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:53,720
Speaker 7: It's magamet right right, And so it is Nermogametov. It's

1561
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:57,240
Speaker 7: not nermago Metov. And you'll hear Umar say exactly that

1562
01:13:57,360 --> 01:13:58,040
Speaker 7: right here, right now.

1563
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:01,080
Speaker 1: My name's Rumagaedov.

1564
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:05,080
Speaker 2: My name's Umar Rumagaedov.

1565
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:11,160
Speaker 7: Norma ga Medov, not Norma go Medov. So that's the clarification.

1566
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:11,719
Speaker 4: This week.

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01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:12,800
Speaker 5: Nailed it.

1568
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:16,360
Speaker 7: And then we have one more. Shamil Gaziv is fighting

1569
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:19,479
Speaker 7: Biggie Boy Jarzeno in the main event. Brian here to

1570
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:22,240
Speaker 7: take a crack at Biggie Boy's last name for us.

1571
01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:27,599
Speaker 1: I mean I I go with Rosenstruck. You go Rosenstruck Rock.

1572
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:30,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, all right, let's hear uh, let's hear Jarzeno.

1573
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:34,320
Speaker 1: My name is Jerzino, Biggie Boy Rosen Strike.

1574
01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:40,320
Speaker 4: My name is Jersinho. Biggie boys, what.

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01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:43,720
Speaker 1: Are you here in Kemphlo, I'm hearing strike me too, Yeah,

1576
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:45,840
Speaker 1: Bri what you hear? I hear strike as well?

1577
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:48,559
Speaker 7: Yeah, all right, well no, not necessarily right. I do

1578
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:51,000
Speaker 7: think that file is open to interpretation. But I do

1579
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:52,880
Speaker 7: think a lot of announcers try to get cute with

1580
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 7: it and say struck or stroke or whatever. The guy says,

1581
01:14:56,320 --> 01:14:58,920
Speaker 7: fucking rosen strike, and that's easiest to say.

1582
01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:02,120
Speaker 1: That is so it is UFC Fight Night, Rosen.

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01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:05,840
Speaker 7: Strike versus gazebe don't forget place your bets coming up

1584
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:08,320
Speaker 7: on the back end forgettable week for our guys last

1585
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:11,759
Speaker 7: weekend in Mexico City. First prediction today fellas at flyweight

1586
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 7: twelve Franks Steve Erseg minus three ten taking on number

1587
01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:17,880
Speaker 7: nine Matt Schnell, who comes back plus two to fifty.

1588
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:20,720
Speaker 7: Those odds right now available on Draftking Sportsbook, so riy

1589
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:23,720
Speaker 7: this fight initially book for UFC two ninety five. Last November,

1590
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 7: Ersek stayed on the card. He beat the replacement opponent,

1591
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:30,960
Speaker 7: Alessandro Costa. Now he draws Schnell, who has not fought

1592
01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:33,880
Speaker 7: since a knocket lost to Mataus Nikolao at the end

1593
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:36,000
Speaker 7: of twenty twenty two. What do you think about this one?

1594
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 7: Erseg the favorite or Schnelle the doll.

1595
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:40,320
Speaker 1: I love this fight. I love erse I think this

1596
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:40,840
Speaker 1: guy's good.

1597
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:42,800
Speaker 7: He looks like an old English teacher had in high

1598
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:46,360
Speaker 7: school who coincidentainly enough, we all thought was a porn star.

1599
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:48,720
Speaker 7: And Ersek has a lot in common with this guy

1600
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:50,400
Speaker 7: because he fucks this guy.

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01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:54,080
Speaker 1: I love Ursay. He took the fight in a short

1602
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:55,920
Speaker 1: notice again to dangerous Brazilian.

1603
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:58,000
Speaker 7: Got wobble, got cracked a little bit in that fight,

1604
01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:01,919
Speaker 7: but stay composed was a I ain't favorite. Has good striking,

1605
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:05,240
Speaker 7: Cardio's elite. His finishing ability on the ground is there,

1606
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:07,719
Speaker 7: but I don't wouldn't call it elite yet, but it's there.

1607
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:09,560
Speaker 7: He hunts for it, he looks for it. And you

1608
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:12,000
Speaker 7: got Snell, who's very good on the ground, better off

1609
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:14,439
Speaker 7: his back. The triangle's dangerous. We all know the super

1610
01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:16,599
Speaker 7: Majority fight. But he came back a little too soon

1611
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:19,960
Speaker 7: after that war got put down by Nick Lao. Chin

1612
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:22,559
Speaker 7: has been in question for Matt for a little bit now,

1613
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:26,320
Speaker 7: but he cashes as a big plus money underdog. That's

1614
01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:28,519
Speaker 7: what he does. But I love or say here. I

1615
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:30,120
Speaker 7: really am a big fan of this kid. I think

1616
01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:32,760
Speaker 7: he's fantastic. I think his long range striking is good.

1617
01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:35,200
Speaker 7: I think he gets a knockout in this fight. I

1618
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:37,320
Speaker 7: understand the line some people were kind of on Twitter

1619
01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:40,280
Speaker 7: going match Snell at plus money always looks good. You're right,

1620
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:42,840
Speaker 7: But I think Ersa is gonna walk through him here.

1621
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:44,479
Speaker 7: I think there's gonna be a big finish and a

1622
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:48,360
Speaker 7: coming out party for Steve Versig. Kenny not totally out

1623
01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:50,360
Speaker 7: of the realm of possibility that the winner of this

1624
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 7: fight between Steve ver Seg and Matt Schnell actually finds

1625
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:56,720
Speaker 7: himself fighting out Leschandre Pantosia nine and a half, ten

1626
01:16:56,720 --> 01:16:58,160
Speaker 7: weeks for the title, right. I don't know what they're

1627
01:16:58,160 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 7: gonna do with flat Wait, this is a big fight.

1628
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:01,760
Speaker 7: It's on the main card or Sega about a three

1629
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:02,840
Speaker 7: to one favorite kem floy your.

1630
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 5: Thoughts listen, Brian is on this dude, He's on this one.

1631
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:06,479
Speaker 7: Uh.

1632
01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:10,720
Speaker 5: Ersek is a problem, dude, listen, And I don't want

1633
01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 5: to hear it anything at anyone after the fight, saying

1634
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:15,320
Speaker 5: that he looks like me? Do I look like Rory McDonald,

1635
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 5: Do I look like Torpouria? Do I look like Ersek?

1636
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:21,679
Speaker 5: I'm blocking your ass. Okay, probably not, but I might.

1637
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:25,040
Speaker 5: Who knows, I've got a mood him it. No, this

1638
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:29,479
Speaker 5: dude's good. Dude. He's just clean, he's nice, he's sweet,

1639
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:32,599
Speaker 5: any other things I can throw out him just very

1640
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:36,320
Speaker 5: very technical fighter, very smart, always in the right position,

1641
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:39,040
Speaker 5: knows how to mix it up, knows how to integrate

1642
01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:41,439
Speaker 5: his striking game at a pretty high level, knows how

1643
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:44,840
Speaker 5: to integrate his ground game at a high level. This

1644
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:47,559
Speaker 5: is one of those new breed fighters. Man, this is

1645
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:50,479
Speaker 5: gonna be way more common as we move forward. I

1646
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:52,720
Speaker 5: like this kid a lot. I think Matt Schnell's got

1647
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:56,160
Speaker 5: some real skills, though I think he's very dangerous. I too,

1648
01:17:56,200 --> 01:17:59,720
Speaker 5: think he's very good everywhere, but I think sg is

1649
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:03,280
Speaker 5: just a little bit more fundamentally sound and hasn't seen

1650
01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:06,080
Speaker 5: the same amount of wars as Matt Schnell. But make

1651
01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:08,519
Speaker 5: no mistake about it, Schnell is skilled. I think this

1652
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:10,679
Speaker 5: is going to be real fun fight that is won

1653
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:11,639
Speaker 5: by Ersik.

1654
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:15,160
Speaker 7: Today's main event challenge presented by DraftKings. Stay tuned because

1655
01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:17,080
Speaker 7: you'll hear more about DraftKings and all it has to

1656
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:21,320
Speaker 7: offer throughout the show. DraftKings, The Crown is yours and

1657
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:24,599
Speaker 7: perhaps the crown will soon be Umar nirmago medovs He's

1658
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:27,720
Speaker 7: undefeated number thirteen of the bantamweight division Bry. He is

1659
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:32,479
Speaker 7: a minus ten to fifty favorite against the newcomer Besott Almacan,

1660
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 7: who comes back plus six seventy five. Nirmaga Manov did

1661
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:37,679
Speaker 7: have to pull out of that schedule fight against Corey

1662
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:40,200
Speaker 7: Sandhagen last August. It was due to a should injury.

1663
01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:43,640
Speaker 7: Shoulder injury. Now he has returned to health and he

1664
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:45,799
Speaker 7: puts his sixteen and er record on the line against

1665
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:50,360
Speaker 7: Kazakhstan's Alma Khan, who is seventeen and one Brie, and

1666
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:53,519
Speaker 7: he's won nine consecutive fights to arrive at this UFC debut.

1667
01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:55,719
Speaker 7: Big fight here at one hundred and thirty five pounds,

1668
01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:58,519
Speaker 7: big spread as well, Brie. Which way you're going I

1669
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:00,920
Speaker 7: might be out of my out of my head here

1670
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:03,200
Speaker 7: by saying this, but this might be a worst matchup

1671
01:19:03,240 --> 01:19:07,160
Speaker 7: for cousin Umar than Sanhagen. This kid from Kanagastan is

1672
01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:11,559
Speaker 7: fucking good. He has good striking, He's fought really good people.

1673
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:15,599
Speaker 7: He's from a country that are producing fantastic fighters. He

1674
01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 7: is not short on confidence. He got the call to

1675
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 7: fight cousin Nuzmar. He wasn't the first on that list.

1676
01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:23,240
Speaker 7: I guarantee you that he said yes. Other people said no,

1677
01:19:24,240 --> 01:19:27,880
Speaker 7: fantastic fight. The number is crazy to me, absolutely crazy.

1678
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:28,400
Speaker 5: I get it.

1679
01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:31,439
Speaker 1: But Dumar's coming off a shoulder injury. That can be

1680
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 1: a problem.

1681
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:34,880
Speaker 7: Look at TJ. Dilloshaw. He never fully recovered when he

1682
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:37,280
Speaker 7: blew his shoulder out. You know that is something with

1683
01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:39,920
Speaker 7: a heavy grappler. Who a guy who trains as hard

1684
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:43,360
Speaker 7: as Umar obviously throws concern. When he's throwing eleven fifty

1685
01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:46,120
Speaker 7: at me, he's ten to one, eleven to one. That's

1686
01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:48,800
Speaker 7: crazy to me, and aman On if I'm saying that night,

1687
01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:49,760
Speaker 7: I'm probably not sorry.

1688
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:50,080
Speaker 1: John.

1689
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:52,120
Speaker 7: I look, all I did this whole weekend was looking

1690
01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:55,120
Speaker 7: at taping this kid, and he is good. His striking's good,

1691
01:19:55,120 --> 01:19:59,720
Speaker 7: he's calm, his wrestling good. Defensive wrestling, it's getting there.

1692
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:03,880
Speaker 7: But his submission defense is good. His won losses by submission,

1693
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:06,120
Speaker 7: so he's really worked on that. But that was against

1694
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:08,439
Speaker 7: an absolute freak. You should be in the UFC as well,

1695
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:10,920
Speaker 7: so there's no shortened competation. I want to do a

1696
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 7: no pick for this, but I'm not that kind of guy.

1697
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:17,400
Speaker 7: Give me the dog. I'm going against the family. I'm

1698
01:20:17,439 --> 01:20:21,320
Speaker 7: going against the Normica manoffs. I am going to place

1699
01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:23,439
Speaker 7: a bet. That's why I have to pick him, because

1700
01:20:23,479 --> 01:20:26,000
Speaker 7: the line's too wide. I'm gonn lay one hundred bucks

1701
01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:28,920
Speaker 7: and hopefully get seven hundred. That's the way I'm thinking

1702
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:31,320
Speaker 7: of this. I'm a value boy, So give me the

1703
01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:34,680
Speaker 7: guy from kyrgastan can flow Almacan. We don't have his

1704
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:37,639
Speaker 7: audio file yet, so that's my best guess based upon

1705
01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:41,320
Speaker 7: the film as to the pronunciation of Besott Almacan plus

1706
01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:43,439
Speaker 7: six seventy five on DraftKings sports book. But you know

1707
01:20:43,439 --> 01:20:46,439
Speaker 7: what I'd love about Umar is that he's gonna have

1708
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:49,160
Speaker 7: to fight the best guys anyway, and he is of

1709
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:51,280
Speaker 7: a mentality that if he can't beat this guy, then

1710
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:53,960
Speaker 7: maybe he's not ready for the Corey Sandhagens of the world.

1711
01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:56,439
Speaker 7: I know some people were surprised that he would take

1712
01:20:56,479 --> 01:21:00,680
Speaker 7: on a newcomer and a highly touted one, but I

1713
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:03,680
Speaker 7: love Normaka Madov's appetite for this fight. The question is

1714
01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:05,120
Speaker 7: how does he do with the matchup?

1715
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:05,599
Speaker 1: Ken flip.

1716
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:09,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is very very interesting, and I agree with Brian.

1717
01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:12,960
Speaker 5: I wonder if it's all mahan, the K and the

1718
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:16,840
Speaker 5: H sometimes will make that ha sound. But either way,

1719
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:20,599
Speaker 5: like Becksott, he's a very very good striker. I think

1720
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:23,439
Speaker 5: that you look at, you know, all the knockouts. What

1721
01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:27,440
Speaker 5: is it, thirteen knockouts out of his seventeen wins, two submissions.

1722
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:30,920
Speaker 5: I don't think he's fighting world beaters, fighting means. But

1723
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:33,120
Speaker 5: when I look at it from a like a pure

1724
01:21:33,160 --> 01:21:37,200
Speaker 5: technique standpoint, at a danger standpoint, this kid can strike.

1725
01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:43,080
Speaker 5: Watch out everybody from that area right Kazakhstan, Georgia, you know,

1726
01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:46,599
Speaker 5: the Dagistan area of Russia. Like, these are killers, they

1727
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:49,519
Speaker 5: are hungry, they are well trained. They have a rich

1728
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:54,519
Speaker 5: martial arts history over there, great wrestling, great striking, sambo.

1729
01:21:56,040 --> 01:21:59,280
Speaker 5: He could be a very interesting underdog, especially given this

1730
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:05,000
Speaker 5: crazy luck. However, Brian, never go against the family. Never

1731
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:08,360
Speaker 5: go against the family. What are you doing? Nermalga Metoff

1732
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:14,000
Speaker 5: is consistency his wrestling, his striking, especially from the outside. Dude,

1733
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:18,360
Speaker 5: his leg game is ridiculous. Uh. He does have to

1734
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:20,559
Speaker 5: watch out though if if Besot is able to get

1735
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:23,519
Speaker 5: on the inside and land some crazy shots, he's very fast.

1736
01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:26,920
Speaker 5: But I think Nirmalga Medoff early is That's what he's

1737
01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:29,960
Speaker 5: gonna be most susceptible. I think Nirmaga Medoff's one of

1738
01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:32,360
Speaker 5: those guys that needs to get into a rhythm. And

1739
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:34,320
Speaker 5: once he gets into his rhythm, just get the hell

1740
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:36,120
Speaker 5: out of the way, or just tap out, run out

1741
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:37,560
Speaker 5: of the cage, whatever you're gonna do, because he's just

1742
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:41,040
Speaker 5: gonna it's gonna get worse, all right. So I think

1743
01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:43,680
Speaker 5: once he gets into his rhythm, he's just gonna run

1744
01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:46,559
Speaker 5: away with it. He'll he'll put Besott I believe, on

1745
01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 5: his back and probably finish him shortly thereafter, whether it's

1746
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:54,479
Speaker 5: a t KO or submission, but early. That's where Umar

1747
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:59,160
Speaker 5: really needs to mind his p's and q's. But I

1748
01:22:59,320 --> 01:23:02,679
Speaker 5: believe in the family, Brian. I like Normaga metof here,

1749
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:06,439
Speaker 5: but I think that's a juicy, juicy line if you're

1750
01:23:06,439 --> 01:23:08,639
Speaker 5: paying attention to what Becksa has done.

1751
01:23:09,640 --> 01:23:12,639
Speaker 7: All right, nicely done, Kenny Florian. We now move along

1752
01:23:12,720 --> 01:23:17,599
Speaker 7: to a flyweight title eliminator eighth ranked Mohammed Mokaiev minus

1753
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:20,920
Speaker 7: two seventy taking out number seven Alex Perez, who is

1754
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:25,800
Speaker 7: plus two twenty United States debut for Mohammed Mokayev, trying

1755
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:28,040
Speaker 7: to improve a six to zero in the UFC here

1756
01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:31,160
Speaker 7: and he faces the former world title challenger Alex Perez.

1757
01:23:31,640 --> 01:23:34,000
Speaker 7: Huge fight for the fly guys, Brian Petrie, Which way

1758
01:23:34,040 --> 01:23:36,400
Speaker 7: you going on this one? I hope I hope Alice

1759
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:38,479
Speaker 7: Perez makes it to the fight. I mean, I listen,

1760
01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:40,519
Speaker 7: I'm gonna be putting a lot of money in Makaiev here.

1761
01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:42,640
Speaker 7: He's give me a part of my pull parlay. I

1762
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:44,600
Speaker 7: like the low number. I like his skills. I was

1763
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:47,160
Speaker 7: a little critical of him early on in my twitter,

1764
01:23:47,240 --> 01:23:49,000
Speaker 7: you know, early on in his career, I thought maybe

1765
01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:51,080
Speaker 7: there were some possibilities, some more finishes there.

1766
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:53,560
Speaker 1: But now that's what he's doing. He's drowning people and

1767
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:55,759
Speaker 1: he's taking their arms and next in the third round,

1768
01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:58,760
Speaker 1: he's calculated. He's killer, he's cerebral.

1769
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:01,040
Speaker 7: I love that, you know, So on the feed, I

1770
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:03,920
Speaker 7: think there's still obviously some need work needs to be done.

1771
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:06,320
Speaker 7: Perez can crack a little bit, he can wrestle as well,

1772
01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:09,559
Speaker 7: but Mokaiev is just a different animal in there, and

1773
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:13,519
Speaker 7: Perez just hasn't been in there enough for him to

1774
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:15,439
Speaker 7: really kind of keep up with this kid speed. This

1775
01:24:15,479 --> 01:24:18,880
Speaker 7: is next level fly weight that Perez hasn't seen yet.

1776
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:22,000
Speaker 7: And unless Prez Lane's a big shot. I think Mokayev

1777
01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:24,280
Speaker 7: is going to get him out of there with a submission,

1778
01:24:24,520 --> 01:24:26,800
Speaker 7: possibly in the second round, is what I'm seeing. Tough

1779
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:29,479
Speaker 7: for first round for Perez, he'll get drowned in the second.

1780
01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:33,200
Speaker 7: Get submitted by Mokaiev. I'm all over Mohammad here. Mohammad

1781
01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:35,519
Speaker 7: and Mokayev did an interview with Blat Mohammad and my

1782
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:38,879
Speaker 7: brother Jason Annik yesterday on the Anak and Florian podcast

1783
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:40,000
Speaker 7: YouTube channel, so you can.

1784
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:42,000
Speaker 1: Check that out not now, but right now.

1785
01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:44,639
Speaker 7: And one thing he did say, Kenny, he has taken

1786
01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:47,759
Speaker 7: the fight weight miss from Perez or not, so hopefully

1787
01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:50,680
Speaker 7: this fight stays together. Hopefully both guys make weight. I

1788
01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:53,160
Speaker 7: mentioned earlier Kenny Alex Perez less than three and a

1789
01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:56,519
Speaker 7: half minutes of octagon time dating to November of twenty twenty.

1790
01:24:56,760 --> 01:24:59,599
Speaker 7: Your thoughts on him here against the undefeated Mohammed Mokayev.

1791
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:02,640
Speaker 5: So, I think Perez is a very good fighter, and

1792
01:25:02,720 --> 01:25:05,479
Speaker 5: I think he's got some good skills everywhere, but he's

1793
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:07,760
Speaker 5: going to get a guy who really is a specialist

1794
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:11,280
Speaker 5: in Mokayav, who is just so good as a specialist

1795
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:15,559
Speaker 5: that he can make it work against essentially anybody. And again,

1796
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:19,000
Speaker 5: all these Dagistani fighters that come from those wrestling backgrounds,

1797
01:25:19,200 --> 01:25:22,200
Speaker 5: they know exactly, you know, everybody knows exactly what you're

1798
01:25:22,240 --> 01:25:25,280
Speaker 5: gonna do, but you still can't stop it. And I

1799
01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:27,519
Speaker 5: think that's going to be the case here. Well. Kayev's

1800
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:31,120
Speaker 5: ability to get into that clinch, especially wrestling you up

1801
01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:34,240
Speaker 5: against the cage, is a lot to deal with, and

1802
01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:38,000
Speaker 5: I think that what's making it more difficult I think Perez.

1803
01:25:38,200 --> 01:25:40,400
Speaker 5: For Perez is the fact that you know, he's five

1804
01:25:40,439 --> 01:25:42,880
Speaker 5: foot six going against a guy makayevs who's who's five

1805
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:45,439
Speaker 5: foot nine. He's going to have that reach advantage, He's

1806
01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:47,800
Speaker 5: gonna have that linked advantage. So for him to land

1807
01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:49,920
Speaker 5: those shots, he's gonna have to really get on the

1808
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:55,160
Speaker 5: inside consistently and land big shots without giving up a clinch,

1809
01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:58,400
Speaker 5: without giving up a like tackle. So that is going

1810
01:25:58,479 --> 01:26:01,519
Speaker 5: to be difficult for him, I think, and I think

1811
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:05,160
Speaker 5: I don't know. I think Brian called it very well.

1812
01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:08,519
Speaker 5: I could see it being a pretty close first round.

1813
01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:10,839
Speaker 5: I think that's where pres needs to get it done,

1814
01:26:11,240 --> 01:26:14,200
Speaker 5: is round one, land something big, try to surprise Makaive

1815
01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:16,960
Speaker 5: and hope that he's able to finish it. But after that,

1816
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:20,400
Speaker 5: I think it only gets worse for him. You know,

1817
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:23,080
Speaker 5: the wrestling wears on you, the weight wears on you.

1818
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:26,000
Speaker 5: That's where makaive will take over, either with a submission

1819
01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:30,160
Speaker 5: a TQO or by decision. So yeah, I like MOKAIV

1820
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:30,840
Speaker 5: here as well.

1821
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:33,960
Speaker 7: All Right, these guys will have one thousand dollars to

1822
01:26:34,120 --> 01:26:37,600
Speaker 7: spend at shows end. First, though, we get to the

1823
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:41,120
Speaker 7: co main event and main event. CO main event features

1824
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:45,280
Speaker 7: the oncoming light heavyweight Force Vitor Patrino minus two to

1825
01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:49,040
Speaker 7: ninety Tyson Pedro plus two thirty five. So Patrino is

1826
01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:51,760
Speaker 7: managed by Derek Brunson. The Meaness jedis native ten and

1827
01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:54,679
Speaker 7: zero as an MMA pro after a knockout of Modestus

1828
01:26:54,680 --> 01:26:57,960
Speaker 7: Spakowski's last November. Now, of course, Bride the challenges will

1829
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:01,479
Speaker 7: get stiffer he draws the UFC tested Pedro. He's looked

1830
01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:03,760
Speaker 7: pretty good since returning from that extended layoff in twenty

1831
01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:06,000
Speaker 7: twenty two, having won three of his last four. He's

1832
01:27:06,040 --> 01:27:08,439
Speaker 7: a pretty big underdog though this weekend against the undefeated

1833
01:27:08,479 --> 01:27:10,360
Speaker 7: VT Torpe Patrino VP.

1834
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:11,920
Speaker 1: Who do you having to comment?

1835
01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:12,200
Speaker 4: Event?

1836
01:27:12,479 --> 01:27:14,639
Speaker 7: Good fight at two five two A five. I feel

1837
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:16,600
Speaker 7: like it's wide open. We need some people here. And

1838
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:20,240
Speaker 7: Tyson Page is a good looking kid, you know, exciting fighter.

1839
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:23,200
Speaker 7: He could be the next guy, right, he's marketable. Uh,

1840
01:27:23,240 --> 01:27:24,880
Speaker 7: he's funny in interviews. You ever seen any of his

1841
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:25,639
Speaker 7: podcast appearance.

1842
01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:26,120
Speaker 4: He's great.

1843
01:27:26,200 --> 01:27:29,080
Speaker 7: But Patrino is a stut. You know, if I got

1844
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:30,920
Speaker 7: tan and took my shirt off, I'd probably look a

1845
01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:34,200
Speaker 7: lot like Patrino. But unfortunately I'm kidding people. I don't

1846
01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:37,120
Speaker 7: don't got me in the comments gay like Patrino. This

1847
01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:39,080
Speaker 7: kid's you know, he's got the beach muscles. He's just

1848
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:43,040
Speaker 7: like the nineties American gladiator. And what's crazy is is

1849
01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:44,960
Speaker 7: he doesn't gas, you know what I mean.

1850
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:45,760
Speaker 4: He goes to the.

1851
01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:48,280
Speaker 7: Second, third round and he looks good. He has a

1852
01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:51,200
Speaker 7: good ground game on top. At least he has goods.

1853
01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:53,679
Speaker 7: Powerful striking, you know, Tyson Pagro. When he came to UFC,

1854
01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:55,240
Speaker 7: he's more of a grappler. He wanted to get you

1855
01:27:55,280 --> 01:27:57,800
Speaker 7: on the ground, hit his kimor hit his jokes. Now

1856
01:27:57,800 --> 01:27:59,519
Speaker 7: he's starting to become a striker. He's coming off of

1857
01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:03,679
Speaker 7: at Collie Knockout, which is beautiful, long limbs. That city

1858
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:07,519
Speaker 7: kickboxing distance management that he learned was fantastic. A lot

1859
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:10,760
Speaker 7: of these guys have similar opponents. One beat Modesta's Bucaccus,

1860
01:28:10,760 --> 01:28:13,559
Speaker 7: one did not, Patrino beat him. Uh and and uh,

1861
01:28:13,680 --> 01:28:16,559
Speaker 7: excuse me, Tyson Pedro fell short and obviously the Untown

1862
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:19,439
Speaker 7: and anton Ti Cali fight one finished, one did it.

1863
01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:24,559
Speaker 7: But it's interesting to me that you know you know

1864
01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:28,120
Speaker 7: that the line I want I want so bad to

1865
01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:30,479
Speaker 7: go to Tyson Paedro. That's why I'm pausing here. But

1866
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:33,320
Speaker 7: Petrino is my guy. He's my guy since coming off

1867
01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:36,000
Speaker 7: the Ultimate Fighter or excuse me, Contender series. I think

1868
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:36,720
Speaker 7: he's gonna get done.

1869
01:28:36,720 --> 01:28:38,840
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna finish. I'm rooting for Tyson Pedro.

1870
01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:39,479
Speaker 1: I like him.

1871
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:41,519
Speaker 7: It's a hard pick to pick against him because I

1872
01:28:41,520 --> 01:28:43,880
Speaker 7: do think he's marketable. He has some really good skills.

1873
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:46,320
Speaker 7: He's filing with the right camp training with Like if

1874
01:28:46,360 --> 01:28:49,120
Speaker 7: you're two a fiver or a heavyweight, go to City Kickboxing,

1875
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:50,519
Speaker 7: if you're in that part of the world. They have

1876
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:53,120
Speaker 7: the best room and there is. But yeah, I just

1877
01:28:53,160 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 7: think he's gonna fall short to Petrina here. Sorry for

1878
01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:58,320
Speaker 7: being long winned there, but yeah, give me viter Petrino. No,

1879
01:28:58,439 --> 01:29:01,439
Speaker 7: it's good stuff. Tyson Pedro training at the Freestyle Fighting

1880
01:29:01,479 --> 01:29:04,240
Speaker 7: Jim under Joe Lopez and also City Kickboxing and Kenny.

1881
01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:07,880
Speaker 7: He's talked to us in fighter meetings past about just

1882
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:11,280
Speaker 7: the new setups and the striking fundamentals that he has

1883
01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:13,920
Speaker 7: gone too great lengths to learn under the guise of

1884
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:17,519
Speaker 7: Eugene Barman at City Kickboxing. So in theory, Tyson Pedro

1885
01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:19,600
Speaker 7: is going to present an even better version than we

1886
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:21,920
Speaker 7: saw last September in Sydney when he did knock out

1887
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:25,439
Speaker 7: antonsra Kelly. Plus two thirty five for Tyson Pedro, Kenny

1888
01:29:25,479 --> 01:29:28,080
Speaker 7: Vitor Patrino minus two ninety Who do you like in

1889
01:29:28,120 --> 01:29:28,519
Speaker 7: the Komain?

1890
01:29:29,040 --> 01:29:32,320
Speaker 5: I don't know, bo Whats in Petrino's protein shakes? Give

1891
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:36,479
Speaker 5: him some of that? My goodness. Wow, that dude is built.

1892
01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:39,559
Speaker 5: He's built up, bricked up, bricked up the feet up.

1893
01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:43,559
Speaker 5: Uh yeah, but Patrino he can crack, dude. H He's

1894
01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:46,800
Speaker 5: got a lot of muscle. I think that he's he's

1895
01:29:46,840 --> 01:29:50,479
Speaker 5: an interesting prospect. I think he has delivered h so far,

1896
01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:53,680
Speaker 5: no question about that. Do I think he's you know,

1897
01:29:53,720 --> 01:29:55,400
Speaker 5: do I think his deepfense is perfect?

1898
01:29:55,479 --> 01:29:55,559
Speaker 3: No?

1899
01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:58,240
Speaker 5: Absolutely not. I do think he gets a little lazy

1900
01:29:58,280 --> 01:30:00,560
Speaker 5: with his hand sometime a little lazy with his positioning

1901
01:30:00,600 --> 01:30:03,880
Speaker 5: his chin, and I think it opens up the door

1902
01:30:04,439 --> 01:30:08,200
Speaker 5: for Pedro to be a very interesting underdog because of that.

1903
01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:12,000
Speaker 5: I love the last Pedro against HERculi. I mean, I

1904
01:30:12,040 --> 01:30:14,920
Speaker 5: think that was the best version that I've seen. I

1905
01:30:14,920 --> 01:30:18,640
Speaker 5: think that he's finally kind of fulfilling some of that potential.

1906
01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:23,320
Speaker 5: And it's certainly always been there. The work ethic, Uh,

1907
01:30:23,640 --> 01:30:26,519
Speaker 5: maybe the training hasn't always been there, but now that

1908
01:30:26,560 --> 01:30:28,680
Speaker 5: he's with Bearman, I think he's gonna it's gonna be

1909
01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:32,759
Speaker 5: aided a lot in that process. Great sign seeing that

1910
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:36,240
Speaker 5: that Pedro in his last fight, and I think I

1911
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:38,840
Speaker 5: like him in this spot. To be honest, I don't

1912
01:30:38,840 --> 01:30:40,439
Speaker 5: see this one going in the distance. I could see

1913
01:30:40,439 --> 01:30:43,599
Speaker 5: Patrino knocking out Pedro just because the dude hits hard.

1914
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:46,120
Speaker 5: And I could see Pedro knocking out Patrino as well,

1915
01:30:46,200 --> 01:30:50,720
Speaker 5: just because positionally defensively, there's some vulnerabilities there. But when

1916
01:30:50,720 --> 01:30:53,760
Speaker 5: I see the line here, I think Pedro is the

1917
01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:57,360
Speaker 5: one to bet on here will I I don't know.

1918
01:30:57,439 --> 01:30:59,439
Speaker 1: We'll see nice teaser there.

1919
01:31:00,120 --> 01:31:04,240
Speaker 7: Heavyweight headliner Shamil gazebe minus won fifty five Biggie boy

1920
01:31:04,360 --> 01:31:08,479
Speaker 7: jar Xenio Rosenstrike is plus one thirty, so rosen Strikes

1921
01:31:08,479 --> 01:31:10,840
Speaker 7: still commanding a ranking Brian number twelve in the world,

1922
01:31:10,840 --> 01:31:13,200
Speaker 7: despite losing three of his last four, hasn't fought since

1923
01:31:13,240 --> 01:31:15,880
Speaker 7: he was humbled by Jay Jilton Almeta. That was last May.

1924
01:31:16,439 --> 01:31:18,320
Speaker 7: Gazeb On the other side, some of you may know

1925
01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:22,920
Speaker 7: the story was on the national volleyball team pupil of

1926
01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:26,160
Speaker 7: the late great abdulmanap nrmago Metov abduomanop needs to go

1927
01:31:26,200 --> 01:31:27,720
Speaker 7: into the Hall of Fame, by the way, into that

1928
01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:30,599
Speaker 7: Contributors wing at some point in time. But Abdulmanah had

1929
01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:34,839
Speaker 7: a chance encounter with Shamil Gazeve after a volleyball practice

1930
01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:37,320
Speaker 7: one day, and Gazebe got invited to MMA class, and

1931
01:31:37,360 --> 01:31:39,000
Speaker 7: I guess you could say the rest is history. But

1932
01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:42,760
Speaker 7: he is twelve and zero, pretty good UFC debut, had

1933
01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:45,080
Speaker 7: a knockout last December at UFC two ninety six, and

1934
01:31:45,080 --> 01:31:47,880
Speaker 7: now he's favored to beat Biggie Boy in that tiny,

1935
01:31:47,880 --> 01:31:50,200
Speaker 7: little twenty five foot octagon at the Apex this weekend.

1936
01:31:50,439 --> 01:31:52,080
Speaker 7: Who do you have in the heavyweight man event, Brian

1937
01:31:52,160 --> 01:31:57,320
Speaker 7: Gazebe or Rosenstrike. I am, I am just absolutely flabbergasset.

1938
01:31:57,360 --> 01:31:59,720
Speaker 7: Now I use that word lightly. That Rosen Strike and

1939
01:32:00,040 --> 01:32:03,240
Speaker 7: Clewis has never fought. That's crazy to me, right, I'm

1940
01:32:03,240 --> 01:32:05,320
Speaker 7: not a good matchmaker, Shaun Shelby mc mahoner. They're the

1941
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:07,719
Speaker 7: best in the world, but why have those two not fought?

1942
01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:10,000
Speaker 7: They're not gonna touch the ground. I mean, listen, we've

1943
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:12,040
Speaker 7: all had disappointments, but on paper, that seems like that

1944
01:32:12,080 --> 01:32:15,640
Speaker 7: should be a fight anyway. Rose Strike, you know, I

1945
01:32:15,720 --> 01:32:18,080
Speaker 7: want more from him on the takedown, the fence. I

1946
01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:20,200
Speaker 7: want more from him on the get up game. When

1947
01:32:20,240 --> 01:32:22,360
Speaker 7: he gets taken down, he just kind of lays there,

1948
01:32:22,640 --> 01:32:25,320
Speaker 7: tries to stand up. That's not gonna work against this guy,

1949
01:32:25,479 --> 01:32:29,520
Speaker 7: because eve Is is tough, he's big, he's strong athletic

1950
01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:30,040
Speaker 7: as well.

1951
01:32:30,280 --> 01:32:31,880
Speaker 1: When he put out Martin Boudet.

1952
01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:34,439
Speaker 7: Or excuse me, I don't know how to pronounce his name,

1953
01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:36,840
Speaker 7: when he put him out, that was surprised. I know

1954
01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:39,160
Speaker 7: he's not a high level guy, but he's a rugged,

1955
01:32:39,520 --> 01:32:43,040
Speaker 7: big heavyweight that kind of loves those kind of fights.

1956
01:32:43,240 --> 01:32:45,800
Speaker 7: He got shut out and put atlantic four strikes again,

1957
01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:48,519
Speaker 7: Gauz eve and that was wasn't even his best part

1958
01:32:48,520 --> 01:32:49,760
Speaker 7: of his game. I think the best part of his

1959
01:32:49,800 --> 01:32:51,639
Speaker 7: game is hits. You go on the ground, I'm gonna

1960
01:32:51,880 --> 01:32:54,080
Speaker 7: take your neck. And that's where rosen Strike has problems.

1961
01:32:54,120 --> 01:32:56,040
Speaker 7: He gets to the ground. I don't like his defense

1962
01:32:56,080 --> 01:32:58,439
Speaker 7: on there. He can he has that one touch. He

1963
01:32:58,479 --> 01:33:01,479
Speaker 7: can one touch anybody. Uh, I just don't think it's

1964
01:33:01,520 --> 01:33:03,320
Speaker 7: gonna happen. I like a Zevi here, like a ze big.

1965
01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:07,040
Speaker 7: I like the low number. I'm very terrible betting heavyweights. Uh,

1966
01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:09,040
Speaker 7: if you look at my track record, But I like

1967
01:33:09,080 --> 01:33:10,479
Speaker 7: a zee here. I'm gonna go all in them all.

1968
01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:10,760
Speaker 3: I like.

1969
01:33:10,920 --> 01:33:13,559
Speaker 7: I like nicely done breischmiel gaze minus one fifty five,

1970
01:33:14,120 --> 01:33:16,439
Speaker 7: Rosenstrike plus one thirty can flow.

1971
01:33:16,520 --> 01:33:17,840
Speaker 1: Your mic is hot?

1972
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:22,040
Speaker 5: All right, let's do it. Yeah. I think that rosen

1973
01:33:22,120 --> 01:33:26,320
Speaker 5: strikes inconsistency. If you look over the course of like

1974
01:33:26,400 --> 01:33:29,639
Speaker 5: eight fights, it's three and five. It's hard to have

1975
01:33:29,720 --> 01:33:32,280
Speaker 5: a whole lot of reliability on someone like that. But

1976
01:33:32,520 --> 01:33:34,439
Speaker 5: you know, Brian Nailed, this is the guy who could

1977
01:33:34,439 --> 01:33:36,880
Speaker 5: put your lights out if he lands on the right spot.

1978
01:33:37,040 --> 01:33:39,479
Speaker 5: There's certain times you see him he looks hot. The

1979
01:33:39,479 --> 01:33:42,280
Speaker 5: other times you see him and he looks not. So

1980
01:33:43,439 --> 01:33:46,080
Speaker 5: I don't know. I like a zeeve here he hasn't

1981
01:33:46,280 --> 01:33:49,320
Speaker 5: fought a bunch of you know, world beaters either. However,

1982
01:33:49,360 --> 01:33:51,040
Speaker 5: I do like the fact that he does have the

1983
01:33:51,080 --> 01:33:55,479
Speaker 5: option in the skills to put Rosenstroke rosen Strike on

1984
01:33:55,600 --> 01:33:58,520
Speaker 5: his back. I definitely think that would be the smartest

1985
01:33:58,560 --> 01:34:02,960
Speaker 5: approach ken gaze Strike. Yes. Can he even knockout rosen Strike? Yeah?

1986
01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:06,479
Speaker 5: I think he can. Is that the smartest approach? Probably not.

1987
01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:08,639
Speaker 5: I think he should put rosen Strike on his back,

1988
01:34:08,840 --> 01:34:12,360
Speaker 5: look for the TK or submission there. I think Gazeve

1989
01:34:12,800 --> 01:34:15,600
Speaker 5: doesn't have the best submissions in the world, but I

1990
01:34:15,640 --> 01:34:19,080
Speaker 5: think he has enough of a submission game to get

1991
01:34:19,080 --> 01:34:23,080
Speaker 5: it done against rosen Strike. You know, eight knockouts, three submissions,

1992
01:34:23,160 --> 01:34:27,599
Speaker 5: undefeated right now. I just love the momentum for gazebe

1993
01:34:27,720 --> 01:34:29,800
Speaker 5: So gimme gazevee here.

1994
01:34:30,200 --> 01:34:33,639
Speaker 7: Rosenstrike made his UFC debut in twenty nineteen. He weighed

1995
01:34:33,640 --> 01:34:36,360
Speaker 7: in at two hundred and forty one and a half pounds.

1996
01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:38,559
Speaker 7: He started four and zero in the UFC, had that

1997
01:34:38,640 --> 01:34:42,920
Speaker 7: memorable lip altering knockout of Alistair Overheim also knocked out

1998
01:34:43,160 --> 01:34:46,839
Speaker 7: andre Orlovsky, but he's been fighting closer to two sixty

1999
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:49,880
Speaker 7: five since, so I'm curious to see what number. Rosen

2000
01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:52,200
Speaker 7: Strike comes in at in this fight that was to

2001
01:34:52,240 --> 01:34:54,640
Speaker 7: be in Saudi Arabia instead. That is your headliner at

2002
01:34:54,680 --> 01:34:57,320
Speaker 7: the Ufcapex this weekend. I'm doing a fight night at

2003
01:34:57,360 --> 01:34:58,800
Speaker 7: the Apex for the first time in a long time.

2004
01:34:58,840 --> 01:35:01,519
Speaker 7: I'm excited to get out there. Oh, we'll see if

2005
01:35:01,520 --> 01:35:04,400
Speaker 7: we can bring some energy to that building this Saturday night.

2006
01:35:04,439 --> 01:35:06,519
Speaker 7: All right, Tom, Now for Replace your Bets, brought to

2007
01:35:06,560 --> 01:35:08,400
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2008
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2009
01:35:12,040 --> 01:35:14,400
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2010
01:35:14,439 --> 01:35:17,040
Speaker 7: includes the design you see here for UFC two ninety

2011
01:35:17,120 --> 01:35:21,240
Speaker 7: nine in Miami. Why quickly to recap last week, Team Petrie,

2012
01:35:21,479 --> 01:35:23,439
Speaker 7: just a couple bets, but you missed on both of them.

2013
01:35:23,479 --> 01:35:25,639
Speaker 7: Minus one thousand on the week. It brings your year

2014
01:35:25,680 --> 01:35:29,120
Speaker 7: to date to minus seven seventy eight seventy Team Florian,

2015
01:35:29,640 --> 01:35:32,559
Speaker 7: All three of your wagers that we actioned had Yaya

2016
01:35:32,640 --> 01:35:35,400
Speaker 7: Rodriguez in them. You also had a fourth bet on

2017
01:35:35,520 --> 01:35:38,479
Speaker 7: Roul Rosas Junior straight for four hundred. That was no action,

2018
01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:41,160
Speaker 7: so minus six hundred on the week for Ken Flow,

2019
01:35:41,479 --> 01:35:44,160
Speaker 7: you're at minus twelve oh nine sixty seven, which means

2020
01:35:44,160 --> 01:35:47,040
Speaker 7: Brian Petrie's lead is down to four hundred and thirty

2021
01:35:47,080 --> 01:35:50,120
Speaker 7: dollars and ninety seven cents. Brih, you got one thousand

2022
01:35:50,200 --> 01:35:54,639
Speaker 7: bucks UFC Fight Night, Rosenstrike versus gazebe how you spending

2023
01:35:54,680 --> 01:35:55,040
Speaker 7: your month?

2024
01:35:55,439 --> 01:35:56,719
Speaker 4: No no, no lead.

2025
01:35:56,800 --> 01:35:58,519
Speaker 1: When I'm in the negative, i'man bears.

2026
01:35:58,720 --> 01:36:01,720
Speaker 7: I literally I'm sitting there looking at what I bet,

2027
01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:02,799
Speaker 7: and I'm looking at the fights.

2028
01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:05,000
Speaker 1: I'm just staring. I was there staying TV for by

2029
01:36:05,040 --> 01:36:06,400
Speaker 1: two hours, going what are you doing?

2030
01:36:06,439 --> 01:36:06,800
Speaker 5: Too bad?

2031
01:36:06,920 --> 01:36:09,200
Speaker 7: All right? I' must spend the money out a little

2032
01:36:09,200 --> 01:36:11,320
Speaker 7: bit this week. Steve Verseeg, I told you earlier he

2033
01:36:11,360 --> 01:36:14,840
Speaker 7: fucks this guy fucks four hundred dollars on minus three

2034
01:36:14,880 --> 01:36:16,040
Speaker 7: twenty five with Steve Verse eg.

2035
01:36:16,280 --> 01:36:17,120
Speaker 5: I love that bet.

2036
01:36:17,280 --> 01:36:20,760
Speaker 7: I like Vito Petrino for three hundred dollars. I think

2037
01:36:20,760 --> 01:36:23,559
Speaker 7: he gets it done. I like Shamille Gazev at two

2038
01:36:23,640 --> 01:36:26,760
Speaker 7: hundred dollars. And then I'm taking a shot on the

2039
01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:30,920
Speaker 7: big doggy dog Ama Con one hundred bucks on Amicon.

2040
01:36:30,920 --> 01:36:32,439
Speaker 7: If I'm saying his name, mind, I'm probably not, but

2041
01:36:32,560 --> 01:36:34,240
Speaker 7: give me, give me Amicon hundred bucks.

2042
01:36:34,439 --> 01:36:35,920
Speaker 1: That's that's a juicy wager, right.

2043
01:36:35,800 --> 01:36:39,439
Speaker 7: There, nicely done, and four straight wagers. Petrinot dicking around

2044
01:36:39,439 --> 01:36:41,840
Speaker 7: with the parlay machine this week? Whatsoever?

2045
01:36:41,960 --> 01:36:42,280
Speaker 5: All right?

2046
01:36:42,320 --> 01:36:45,880
Speaker 1: And Ken flow one thousand bucks to spend. Man, what

2047
01:36:45,920 --> 01:36:46,320
Speaker 1: do you think?

2048
01:36:46,479 --> 01:36:49,880
Speaker 5: Oh boy, let's see, I've been kind of doing this

2049
01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:53,719
Speaker 5: methodology here. I'm gonna repeat it because again I'm an idiot.

2050
01:36:53,840 --> 01:36:57,240
Speaker 5: So I like Erthseg. Look, give me plus four hundred

2051
01:36:57,240 --> 01:37:02,600
Speaker 5: on Erthseg. Really like mo Kaiev. Actually was surprised he

2052
01:37:02,680 --> 01:37:05,479
Speaker 5: wasn't a bigger favorite, So give me four hundred on

2053
01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:08,599
Speaker 5: him as well, and then give me a two hundred

2054
01:37:08,600 --> 01:37:13,280
Speaker 5: dollars parlay on Erseg, Mokaiev and Gassie Gazeve.

2055
01:37:13,320 --> 01:37:16,000
Speaker 7: Nice all right, and a three leg parlay for your

2056
01:37:16,040 --> 01:37:20,200
Speaker 7: remaining two hundred on Erseg, Mokayev and Gazebe. So it

2057
01:37:20,240 --> 01:37:23,360
Speaker 7: seems like largely you guys are aligned. Brian Petrie churning

2058
01:37:23,439 --> 01:37:26,679
Speaker 7: out MMA handicapping content all week on his MMA Takes podcast.

2059
01:37:26,720 --> 01:37:29,280
Speaker 7: You can find him on x at Brian Petrie MMA

2060
01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:32,160
Speaker 7: big Gun. Appreciate the time, buddy, Best of luck on

2061
01:37:32,200 --> 01:37:34,000
Speaker 7: the board this weekend. You guys are the best. Have

2062
01:37:34,040 --> 01:37:36,040
Speaker 7: a good week boys, all right? That does it for

2063
01:37:36,160 --> 01:37:38,320
Speaker 7: place Your bets. We'll see how it plays out this

2064
01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:42,400
Speaker 7: weekend at the ufc Apex Georgina Rosenschrenke, Shamil Ghazib. The

2065
01:37:42,520 --> 01:37:45,479
Speaker 7: men on the marquee all right now with us on

2066
01:37:45,560 --> 01:37:47,599
Speaker 7: the guest line. Good friend of mine. I would argue

2067
01:37:47,640 --> 01:37:50,040
Speaker 7: this man is like the best youth soccer coach in

2068
01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:52,280
Speaker 7: all of Boca Ratone, But more on that later. The

2069
01:37:52,280 --> 01:37:55,000
Speaker 7: founder and CEO of for Tuna Wealth here in Boca Raton, Florida,

2070
01:37:55,040 --> 01:37:58,400
Speaker 7: certified financial planner, Evan Mayer, is with us. Evan, Good morning, brother,

2071
01:37:58,439 --> 01:37:59,360
Speaker 7: appreciate a few minutes.

2072
01:37:59,400 --> 01:37:59,800
Speaker 4: How we doing.

2073
01:38:00,080 --> 01:38:00,599
Speaker 3: Good morning?

2074
01:38:00,600 --> 01:38:00,800
Speaker 5: Wow?

2075
01:38:00,840 --> 01:38:04,559
Speaker 3: What an honor? You know, the girl soccer coach gu

2076
01:38:04,600 --> 01:38:08,200
Speaker 3: twelve girls under twelve. I'm the Bill Belichick of that era.

2077
01:38:09,760 --> 01:38:13,400
Speaker 7: Well, I just admire the way you sort of you

2078
01:38:13,479 --> 01:38:17,320
Speaker 7: strike a great balance in game between being verbal being

2079
01:38:17,360 --> 01:38:21,240
Speaker 7: heard from providing that in game coaching. But you're also

2080
01:38:21,479 --> 01:38:23,600
Speaker 7: nice about it. You're not a coddler at all. But

2081
01:38:23,640 --> 01:38:25,680
Speaker 7: I feel like you've struck a good balance. So I

2082
01:38:25,720 --> 01:38:28,759
Speaker 7: have admired you from afar. I am making my coaching

2083
01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:32,280
Speaker 7: debut next season. I think it'll be the ten year

2084
01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:34,280
Speaker 7: olds or eleven year olds, and we'll see if I

2085
01:38:34,320 --> 01:38:36,160
Speaker 7: can take a page out of Evan Mayer's book.

2086
01:38:36,200 --> 01:38:39,040
Speaker 3: But you're going in our league, right, You're going in

2087
01:38:39,160 --> 01:38:40,120
Speaker 3: the girls under twelve.

2088
01:38:40,439 --> 01:38:42,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess so. So I mean I'm be coaching

2089
01:38:42,160 --> 01:38:43,800
Speaker 1: against you, against.

2090
01:38:43,520 --> 01:38:45,120
Speaker 3: Me, But don't worry. I'll give you everything.

2091
01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:45,760
Speaker 8: You know.

2092
01:38:46,400 --> 01:38:47,439
Speaker 3: It's an open book.

2093
01:38:47,280 --> 01:38:49,160
Speaker 7: All right, all the practice drills and all of that.

2094
01:38:49,360 --> 01:38:51,800
Speaker 7: So a lot of things I want to get into

2095
01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:53,680
Speaker 7: with you today. But you made the twenty twenty three

2096
01:38:53,800 --> 01:38:55,960
Speaker 7: edition of the Forbes list of the top best in

2097
01:38:56,080 --> 01:38:58,640
Speaker 7: state wealth advisors. And I remember when this sort of

2098
01:38:58,680 --> 01:39:00,639
Speaker 7: crossed my wake, and I think any time you make

2099
01:39:00,680 --> 01:39:03,400
Speaker 7: any sort of Forbes list, it's a tremendous accomplishment. So

2100
01:39:03,439 --> 01:39:06,920
Speaker 7: congratulations on that. How did that come to pass? And

2101
01:39:07,040 --> 01:39:08,600
Speaker 7: how did you find out that you would crack the

2102
01:39:08,600 --> 01:39:09,519
Speaker 7: Forbes list last year?

2103
01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:12,080
Speaker 3: You know, it's just by by growth and by by

2104
01:39:12,160 --> 01:39:16,240
Speaker 3: assets under management and by practice management, So it was

2105
01:39:16,320 --> 01:39:18,960
Speaker 3: it was a cool honor. I've gotten into like little publications,

2106
01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:21,120
Speaker 3: you know, as time goes on and you highlight those

2107
01:39:21,160 --> 01:39:24,519
Speaker 3: little publications, and then when you finally hit Forbes the

2108
01:39:24,560 --> 01:39:26,920
Speaker 3: Forbes List, which is kind of the pinnacle for our business,

2109
01:39:28,240 --> 01:39:31,680
Speaker 3: it's just awesome recognition. And so thank you very much.

2110
01:39:31,720 --> 01:39:33,599
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's a it was an honor to get

2111
01:39:33,600 --> 01:39:37,559
Speaker 3: in there and truly excited about it. Obviously it adds

2112
01:39:37,680 --> 01:39:41,800
Speaker 3: a lot of value and marketing and so on and

2113
01:39:41,800 --> 01:39:44,240
Speaker 3: so forth, but it also shows a commitment to the

2114
01:39:44,240 --> 01:39:47,160
Speaker 3: clients that I've had and the commitment of those clients

2115
01:39:47,439 --> 01:39:51,040
Speaker 3: and the practice we've grown. You know, we've we went

2116
01:39:51,080 --> 01:39:54,240
Speaker 3: from you know, a little bank advisor ten years ago

2117
01:39:54,400 --> 01:39:58,160
Speaker 3: to you know, owning our own firm and managing you know,

2118
01:39:58,200 --> 01:40:00,519
Speaker 3: we're just north of six hundred and fifty million box.

2119
01:40:00,560 --> 01:40:04,080
Speaker 3: So we're growing and we're getting bigger, and as time

2120
01:40:04,120 --> 01:40:06,479
Speaker 3: goes on, hopefully we keep growing up that.

2121
01:40:06,479 --> 01:40:09,880
Speaker 7: List too, definitely on the right ascension. Evan Mayer with

2122
01:40:09,960 --> 01:40:11,559
Speaker 7: us here on the anak In Fluent podcast. So you

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Speaker 7: are a lifelong Miami Dolphins fan. Does that mean you

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Speaker 7: root for the Miami Heat and all the South Florida

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Speaker 7: teams or no.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was born here. Funny enough, you know, in

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Speaker 3: South Florida, you're you're normally a New York transplant, and

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Speaker 3: now it's at a lot of people from Maryland, a

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Speaker 3: lot of other people from the East Coast are moving

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Speaker 3: to Florida. Obviously, in Droves and so I was born here,

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Speaker 3: and when you're born here, unfortunately, you became a fan

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Speaker 3: of all the local sports. And you know, I've been

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Speaker 3: agonizing as a Dolphin fan watching the Patriots stardom and

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01:40:41,439 --> 01:40:44,519
Speaker 3: your team obviously just you know, exend, exend, descend, and

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Speaker 3: then last year and the year prior with Mike McDaniels joining,

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Speaker 3: and you know, and then the Miami Heat. You know,

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Speaker 3: keep in mind, once we got pat Riley in nineteen

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Speaker 3: ninety I think it was ninety six we got Riley

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Speaker 3: and then those Heat and you know, Knicks battles were

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Speaker 3: going on, and you know, so, yeah, it's been been

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Speaker 3: Florida sports all the way. And you know, UFC, by

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Speaker 3: the way, has grown significantly down here through the last

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Speaker 3: few years.

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Speaker 7: So we're getting there. We're getting there. Still some more

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Speaker 7: to be done domestically, but definitely in Florida. It feels

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Speaker 7: like more people are paying attention to it than we're

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Speaker 7: say five to seven years ago, which is a good thing.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think the when you guys opened up that the

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Speaker 3: top team I think it's on four forty one, yeah, yeah,

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01:41:28,280 --> 01:41:30,320
Speaker 3: and the Turnpike and it was like this beautiful building

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Speaker 3: and we're like, top team, what's that about?

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01:41:32,400 --> 01:41:32,479
Speaker 8: So?

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01:41:33,200 --> 01:41:35,120
Speaker 3: And that was that was a few years back. So

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01:41:35,320 --> 01:41:37,720
Speaker 3: it's uh, you know you're seeing you're seeing it evolved.

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Speaker 7: So I want to read a quote for you right

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Speaker 7: now if I could. This is from my dear friend

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Speaker 7: and co host Kenny Florian, who is bullish about bitcoin.

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01:41:46,160 --> 01:41:48,640
Speaker 7: And I will say full disclosure, since Kenny told me

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01:41:48,680 --> 01:41:51,479
Speaker 7: to invest in bitcoin, I've made about thirty five thousand

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01:41:51,520 --> 01:41:54,400
Speaker 7: dollars at least on the return. I haven't cashed anything out,

2163
01:41:54,439 --> 01:41:56,760
Speaker 7: but for whatever that is worth, since he told me

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01:41:56,800 --> 01:41:59,519
Speaker 7: to invest, it has been profitable for lack of a

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01:41:59,520 --> 01:42:01,479
Speaker 7: better edge for me. But I want to read this

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Speaker 7: because this was a tweet that Kenny wrote to someone Evan. Basically,

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01:42:05,560 --> 01:42:08,479
Speaker 7: I put out something like thanks Kenny, BTC on the Rise,

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Speaker 7: and somebody, an MMA handicapper, wrote to me like, get

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01:42:12,600 --> 01:42:15,360
Speaker 7: your gains while you can. So Kenny wrote back, this

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01:42:15,400 --> 01:42:17,760
Speaker 7: isn't gambling, Yanni. It's the purest form of collateral and

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01:42:17,800 --> 01:42:21,160
Speaker 7: the most scarce asset ever created. Anyone can take gains

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01:42:21,200 --> 01:42:22,960
Speaker 7: whenever they want. But just like New York City real

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01:42:23,040 --> 01:42:25,040
Speaker 7: estate many decades ago, you keep it as long as

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Speaker 7: you can, exchanging it for a depreciating dollar would be silly.

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Speaker 7: So certainly you are embedded in this business. And bitcoin

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Speaker 7: has become a thing. I'm curious where you stand on

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Speaker 7: cryptocurrency and all that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'll give you, I'll give you my history.

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Speaker 3: And there's there's some there's some truth to what he wrote,

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01:42:43,080 --> 01:42:45,120
Speaker 3: and there's some non truth to what he wrote, which

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Speaker 3: is scarcity of asset. There's been many other scarcity of

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Speaker 3: asset things out there. And what just because something is

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Speaker 3: scarce doesn't necessarily mean that it should hold value. And

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Speaker 3: I think that's the biggest thing. There's a there's a

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Speaker 3: very big difference between investing in gambling. Right when we

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01:43:00,320 --> 01:43:04,759
Speaker 3: invest money into something, we're looking for a long term gain.

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01:43:04,840 --> 01:43:08,360
Speaker 3: Now now unfortunately with with bitcoin, and we'll talk about

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Speaker 3: cryptocurrency in general. And let me let me first say

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Speaker 3: this bitcoin is not an SEC regulated instrument. It is

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Speaker 3: not regulated.

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Speaker 5: It's it's it's regulated uh as an e t F.

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Speaker 5: Is it not?

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01:43:19,200 --> 01:43:20,160
Speaker 3: No, no, not yet?

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Speaker 1: And it is an e t.

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Speaker 5: It's it is a regulated e t F that's regulated

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Speaker 5: by the SEC.

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Speaker 3: So let's let's let let's let's understand that the e

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Speaker 3: t F is tracking the price of bitcoin. But it's

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Speaker 3: not actually buying bitcoin. It's tracking the price of bitcoin, right, But.

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Speaker 5: The sec overseas ETF.

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Speaker 3: It oversees, yes. So ETF stands for exchange traded fund. Okay,

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Speaker 3: So it's a fund basically that tracks that price, just

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01:43:45,000 --> 01:43:47,120
Speaker 3: as g LD is out. And I think that's a

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01:43:47,160 --> 01:43:51,000
Speaker 3: great thing that just that's just getting approved as we speak.

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Speaker 3: It is a a good thing to have out that

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Speaker 3: people will have access to be able to trade bitcoin pricing. Okay,

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01:43:57,960 --> 01:43:59,960
Speaker 3: but they don't actually own the bitcoin. So that's the

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01:44:00,040 --> 01:44:00,479
Speaker 3: first and.

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Speaker 5: Foremost that is correct to the ETFF.

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Speaker 3: Yes, all right, so let's just talk about blockchain, blockchains great, okay.

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01:44:07,640 --> 01:44:10,600
Speaker 3: I am fully think that blockchain is a great technology.

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Speaker 3: Let's also understand that the dollar got removed off of

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01:44:13,800 --> 01:44:16,599
Speaker 3: the gold standard in nineteen seventy one by Richard Nixon,

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01:44:16,640 --> 01:44:19,519
Speaker 3: So the US dollar used to be tracked by gold

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01:44:19,760 --> 01:44:23,400
Speaker 3: right Fort Knox. All this goal is gold right. Fiat

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01:44:23,400 --> 01:44:27,160
Speaker 3: currency basically started in nineteen seventy one, okay. And since

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Speaker 3: that time, obviously we've grown into more and more debt,

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Speaker 3: and so there's obviously big concerns over that. And there's

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Speaker 3: also concerns that government regulates the dollar, and that's a

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01:44:36,640 --> 01:44:40,479
Speaker 3: bad thing per se, not necessarily because we're twenty five

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Speaker 3: percent of the world's GDP, so we're twenty five percent

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Speaker 3: of the world's buyers. So if you owned the UFC, right,

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Speaker 3: and let's just we'll say Dana White owns the UFC,

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01:44:49,520 --> 01:44:53,439
Speaker 3: right or at least runs the UFC, and twenty five

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01:44:53,479 --> 01:44:55,479
Speaker 3: percent of your people that are going to the UFC

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01:44:55,600 --> 01:44:57,439
Speaker 3: want to be able to use the dollar to go

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01:44:57,520 --> 01:45:00,000
Speaker 3: into the UFC. Are you going to overvalue or undervalue

2228
01:45:00,160 --> 01:45:04,120
Speaker 3: that dollar? You're going to overvalue that dollar, right because

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01:45:04,120 --> 01:45:06,719
Speaker 3: it's twenty five percent of your customer base, where everybody

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Speaker 3: else China, seventeen percent, other countries are a lot less GDP,

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01:45:10,960 --> 01:45:15,160
Speaker 3: their currency is not as important. So the idea that

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Speaker 3: that bitcoin creates this currency that can't be regulated or manipulated,

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01:45:19,520 --> 01:45:22,599
Speaker 3: and also can't can't grow the asset, right because there's

2234
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Speaker 3: only going to be what twenty one million or twenty

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01:45:25,280 --> 01:45:29,479
Speaker 3: two million bitcoins ever produced. There's a scarcity in that

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01:45:29,560 --> 01:45:34,320
Speaker 3: and and and and you're fully right, Kenny, that that

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01:45:34,320 --> 01:45:37,439
Speaker 3: that scarcity could create value. But let's also understand that,

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01:45:37,560 --> 01:45:40,719
Speaker 3: like if you invested in Navidia, right, at the same

2239
01:45:40,760 --> 01:45:43,600
Speaker 3: time you invested in bitcoin, you would not only have

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Speaker 3: made significantly more money, but that company actually generates return,

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01:45:49,600 --> 01:45:53,240
Speaker 3: meaning meaning the company generates cash flow. And when you

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01:45:53,320 --> 01:45:56,479
Speaker 3: invest in something, you want cash flow from it. So

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01:45:56,479 --> 01:45:59,120
Speaker 3: if you buy real estate as an example, right, that's

2244
01:45:59,160 --> 01:46:02,000
Speaker 3: that's an appreciation asset. There's only so much real estate

2245
01:46:02,680 --> 01:46:06,240
Speaker 3: that exists, but it's also tangible and it's also useful,

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01:46:06,400 --> 01:46:08,160
Speaker 3: meaning you can live in a house.

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01:46:08,479 --> 01:46:08,679
Speaker 8: Right.

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01:46:09,200 --> 01:46:12,799
Speaker 3: When it comes to bitcoin, no offense, but this is factual.

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01:46:13,479 --> 01:46:17,360
Speaker 3: It doesn't generate cash flow. So when you buy like Navidia,

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Speaker 3: now Navidio, you know, made thirty billion dollars last year,

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01:46:21,160 --> 01:46:23,639
Speaker 3: it's now making sixty billion this year. There's a reason

2252
01:46:23,680 --> 01:46:25,840
Speaker 3: the stock price is going up because the company is

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01:46:25,880 --> 01:46:29,599
Speaker 3: becoming more valuable on a multiple. And that's why when

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01:46:29,640 --> 01:46:32,200
Speaker 3: I say, if you want to invest or excuse me,

2255
01:46:32,240 --> 01:46:35,479
Speaker 3: gamble with bitcoin, okay, which you're a gambling on price.

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01:46:35,520 --> 01:46:38,599
Speaker 3: You're not buying cash flow, right, You're just simply buying

2257
01:46:38,640 --> 01:46:42,680
Speaker 3: it because of scarcity, right, and because blockchain is a

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01:46:42,840 --> 01:46:47,080
Speaker 3: great way of making sure that there's no centralized currency.

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01:46:47,600 --> 01:46:49,880
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, there is no

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Speaker 3: cash flow. And so anytime you buy bitcoin, and the

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01:46:53,880 --> 01:46:57,760
Speaker 3: issue that I have with crypto is that people start

2262
01:46:57,800 --> 01:46:59,639
Speaker 3: to think of it as well, I should have all

2263
01:46:59,640 --> 01:47:02,839
Speaker 3: my money in this right. No, you want to gamble

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01:47:02,840 --> 01:47:06,000
Speaker 3: with five or ten percent of your assets, go for it.

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01:47:06,040 --> 01:47:08,519
Speaker 3: I have no issue with you buying bitcoin. I do

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01:47:08,560 --> 01:47:10,800
Speaker 3: have an issue if you're putting eighty ninety one hundred

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01:47:10,800 --> 01:47:14,559
Speaker 3: percent of your money in bitcoin, because there is a chance,

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01:47:15,200 --> 01:47:19,519
Speaker 3: there is a chance that because the US dollar is

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01:47:19,560 --> 01:47:23,200
Speaker 3: such a significant thing and the US is so dominant

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01:47:23,240 --> 01:47:27,960
Speaker 3: in the global world, that bitcoin eventually goes away. There

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01:47:28,000 --> 01:47:29,040
Speaker 3: is a chance, you.

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Speaker 5: Might call it, how do you how would you? How

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01:47:31,240 --> 01:47:34,719
Speaker 5: would you explain that bitcoin would go away? At this point?

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01:47:34,920 --> 01:47:37,040
Speaker 5: It was started in two thousand and nine, it was

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01:47:37,080 --> 01:47:41,439
Speaker 5: at zero sense and is now let's see fifty two,

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01:47:41,800 --> 01:47:44,160
Speaker 5: four hundred and forty dollars. What's the return on that

2277
01:47:44,240 --> 01:47:45,160
Speaker 5: compared to when video?

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01:47:45,160 --> 01:47:48,040
Speaker 3: I haven't so significantly lower?

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01:47:48,120 --> 01:47:52,360
Speaker 5: Actually no, no, no, no, let's do froma Navidio was training

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01:47:52,400 --> 01:47:54,519
Speaker 5: at three dollars a share and now ni Vidio is

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01:47:54,520 --> 01:47:58,320
Speaker 5: trading at eight hundred zero. Okay, so let's say, what

2282
01:47:58,360 --> 01:48:01,479
Speaker 5: do you think the future is of video compared to bitcoin?

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01:48:01,560 --> 01:48:05,400
Speaker 5: So if I let's say Uh, okay, what's the percentage

2284
01:48:05,439 --> 01:48:09,480
Speaker 5: going from zero percent to a zero sense per bitcoin?

2285
01:48:09,720 --> 01:48:12,240
Speaker 5: Yep to fifty two four hundred kids, Can you do

2286
01:48:12,280 --> 01:48:14,800
Speaker 5: the math on that? What's what's the percentage of that? Yep.

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01:48:15,120 --> 01:48:18,080
Speaker 3: So, So, to answer your question with Navidia, do you

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01:48:18,120 --> 01:48:20,680
Speaker 3: believe that AI is going to be around in the

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01:48:20,720 --> 01:48:24,880
Speaker 3: next six months, year, five years, ten years, yes or no?

2290
01:48:25,240 --> 01:48:27,760
Speaker 5: Yes. I think it will be around for a while.

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01:48:27,880 --> 01:48:29,240
Speaker 3: For a while, and then and then it will go

2292
01:48:29,520 --> 01:48:31,160
Speaker 3: It will go away. We're just gonna get rid of it.

2293
01:48:31,360 --> 01:48:33,680
Speaker 5: I think it will be forever. I don't think Bitcoin's

2294
01:48:33,720 --> 01:48:34,280
Speaker 5: going to go away.

2295
01:48:34,280 --> 01:48:37,280
Speaker 3: That's not sue, but I'm just asking you on AI. So, so,

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01:48:37,520 --> 01:48:41,360
Speaker 3: Navidia has a purpose other than bitcoin mining, which is

2297
01:48:41,400 --> 01:48:44,160
Speaker 3: also why Navidia stock went up. By the way, Nvidia's

2298
01:48:44,320 --> 01:48:48,240
Speaker 3: Navidia's microchips are very important, thinks, yeah, very important, and

2299
01:48:48,240 --> 01:48:50,880
Speaker 3: it's part of the reason that Navidia exploded in twenty eighteen,

2300
01:48:50,920 --> 01:48:53,680
Speaker 3: twenty nineteen, twenty twenty as bitcoin did. So if you

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01:48:53,720 --> 01:48:56,280
Speaker 3: actually look at a side by side chart, which again

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01:48:56,320 --> 01:48:57,720
Speaker 3: I didn't know we were going to go this deep

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01:48:57,720 --> 01:48:59,160
Speaker 3: into it, but I would have would have had that

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01:48:59,240 --> 01:49:04,920
Speaker 3: ready for you. It's significantly more. But regardless, regardless of that,

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01:49:05,040 --> 01:49:08,519
Speaker 3: you're buying something that produces cash flow. So if you're

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01:49:08,560 --> 01:49:10,960
Speaker 3: simply buying bitcoin because you go, well it's zero, now

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01:49:10,960 --> 01:49:15,000
Speaker 3: it's fifth, fifty thousand. There's something called tulip Menia a

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01:49:15,040 --> 01:49:17,000
Speaker 3: long time ago that did the same exact thing.

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01:49:17,040 --> 01:49:19,599
Speaker 5: Could you Can you explain a tulip that's gone more

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01:49:19,680 --> 01:49:23,080
Speaker 5: than fifteen years? Yes, I ever been a tools on

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01:49:23,240 --> 01:49:24,360
Speaker 5: fifteen years.

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01:49:24,560 --> 01:49:27,080
Speaker 3: Tulip media did. Now, Now when you say bitcoin went

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01:49:27,160 --> 01:49:30,320
Speaker 3: fifteen hold on a second, Kenny, when you when you

2314
01:49:30,400 --> 01:49:34,840
Speaker 3: say bitcoin's gone for fifteen years, yeah, you're you're you're

2315
01:49:34,880 --> 01:49:37,200
Speaker 3: really talking the last five or six years. It's really

2316
01:49:37,360 --> 01:49:40,160
Speaker 3: really gone. Okay, the first few years it went, but

2317
01:49:40,240 --> 01:49:42,720
Speaker 3: it didn't. It didn't go like Evan I would say.

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01:49:42,760 --> 01:49:44,920
Speaker 5: Evan, I would say this, I think you need to

2319
01:49:44,960 --> 01:49:48,080
Speaker 5: do a little bit more research on on bitcoin itself.

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01:49:48,120 --> 01:49:48,880
Speaker 3: And this is the problem.

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01:49:48,960 --> 01:49:52,120
Speaker 5: When you're a financial advisor, your incentive is you make

2322
01:49:52,200 --> 01:49:56,559
Speaker 5: money off of other people investing with you, do you not? Yes, Okay,

2323
01:49:56,720 --> 01:50:00,120
Speaker 5: so I have other people who offer to invest money

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01:50:00,160 --> 01:50:03,400
Speaker 5: with me. I have out I have made way more

2325
01:50:03,520 --> 01:50:07,880
Speaker 5: money putting money in bitcoin than I have in anything else.

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Speaker 3: If you, you might have dealt with you might have

2327
01:50:09,960 --> 01:50:11,360
Speaker 3: dealt with some bad financial advisors.

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01:50:11,360 --> 01:50:14,400
Speaker 5: If you take if you take two percent, here's here's

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01:50:14,400 --> 01:50:17,040
Speaker 5: a crazy stat yep. If you take two percent of

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Speaker 5: your money, yep, and you and you and you put

2331
01:50:19,400 --> 01:50:21,800
Speaker 5: it into bitcoin. That just two percent. Right, You take

2332
01:50:21,840 --> 01:50:24,040
Speaker 5: two percent of your money and you put in bitcoin

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Speaker 5: over the course of four years, it's essentially it's essentially

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01:50:27,760 --> 01:50:30,880
Speaker 5: out made every other investment out there. And if you

2335
01:50:30,920 --> 01:50:33,160
Speaker 5: are if you are dealing with inflation, right, and you

2336
01:50:33,240 --> 01:50:37,080
Speaker 5: have someone who's going, Okay, I'm paying you five hundred

2337
01:50:37,120 --> 01:50:39,920
Speaker 5: thousand dollars a year, and you're dealing with a dollar

2338
01:50:40,040 --> 01:50:42,679
Speaker 5: that is inflating at three four percent, Like if someone

2339
01:50:42,680 --> 01:50:44,559
Speaker 5: says they're going to pay you a certain amount of money,

2340
01:50:44,640 --> 01:50:47,160
Speaker 5: and you have a central bank that is responsible for

2341
01:50:47,520 --> 01:50:51,240
Speaker 5: either inflating the dollar or you know, putting it, so

2342
01:50:51,320 --> 01:50:53,360
Speaker 5: you have this trust that you need to rely on

2343
01:50:53,439 --> 01:50:56,479
Speaker 5: central banks or the Fed to make sure that they're

2344
01:50:56,520 --> 01:50:59,800
Speaker 5: not stealing from you slowly over time. If you put

2345
01:50:59,800 --> 01:51:02,800
Speaker 5: it in the bitcoin, you have a fixed protocol that

2346
01:51:03,000 --> 01:51:06,240
Speaker 5: is a fixed scarce asset that will never do that

2347
01:51:06,280 --> 01:51:08,560
Speaker 5: will never go down. You can rely on that.

2348
01:51:11,400 --> 01:51:14,320
Speaker 3: Kenny, you just said that they will never go down.

2349
01:51:14,560 --> 01:51:18,479
Speaker 5: No, no, no, the supply will never supply. We can

2350
01:51:18,720 --> 01:51:19,240
Speaker 5: answer this.

2351
01:51:19,600 --> 01:51:23,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's there's over four million bitcoins that are missing. Okay,

2352
01:51:24,000 --> 01:51:24,719
Speaker 3: where are they.

2353
01:51:24,680 --> 01:51:26,360
Speaker 5: That are that are locked up that people know.

2354
01:51:27,160 --> 01:51:28,720
Speaker 3: They don't know where they are, They don't know where

2355
01:51:28,720 --> 01:51:31,080
Speaker 3: they are. There's no tracking of those formilion.

2356
01:51:30,720 --> 01:51:33,599
Speaker 5: That is incorrect. That is incorrect, that that is not Actually, show.

2357
01:51:33,600 --> 01:51:35,000
Speaker 3: Show me the tracking it's for.

2358
01:51:35,320 --> 01:51:37,680
Speaker 5: You can actually look it out on chain. You can

2359
01:51:37,720 --> 01:51:40,760
Speaker 5: actually see everything that is out there. And there's four

2360
01:51:40,760 --> 01:51:44,520
Speaker 5: millions they can't have access to. There's four million bitcoins

2361
01:51:44,720 --> 01:51:46,320
Speaker 5: lost it on their password.

2362
01:51:46,520 --> 01:51:47,400
Speaker 3: There's four exist.

2363
01:51:47,439 --> 01:51:48,360
Speaker 5: Same way, don't you.

2364
01:51:48,640 --> 01:51:50,920
Speaker 3: It's an issue, the same way if you hate hold on,

2365
01:51:50,960 --> 01:51:54,439
Speaker 3: hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. If there's an.

2366
01:51:54,320 --> 01:51:57,000
Speaker 5: Issue and you put money in a safe and you're

2367
01:51:57,000 --> 01:51:59,880
Speaker 5: the idiot who lost that fucking code to open up

2368
01:51:59,880 --> 01:52:02,680
Speaker 5: the safe, Yeah, who's the idiot the money that's in

2369
01:52:02,720 --> 01:52:04,639
Speaker 5: there or the person that put the money in there.

2370
01:52:05,200 --> 01:52:06,800
Speaker 3: I know a lot of people that have lost money

2371
01:52:06,800 --> 01:52:10,080
Speaker 3: and saves. But here's my point, and I think you

2372
01:52:10,160 --> 01:52:12,760
Speaker 3: said it perfectly, but then you kind of counteracted it,

2373
01:52:12,800 --> 01:52:15,880
Speaker 3: which you said two percent of your assets. I agree.

2374
01:52:16,520 --> 01:52:18,439
Speaker 3: I've said all along, you want to buy two percent

2375
01:52:18,439 --> 01:52:21,320
Speaker 3: of your assets in bitcoin, great, right, I don't think

2376
01:52:21,360 --> 01:52:23,800
Speaker 3: you make a bad argument with the two percent. What

2377
01:52:23,840 --> 01:52:25,560
Speaker 3: are you doing with the other ninety eight percent of

2378
01:52:25,600 --> 01:52:26,160
Speaker 3: your assets?

2379
01:52:26,200 --> 01:52:28,400
Speaker 5: I think I think in nvidio is a is an

2380
01:52:28,479 --> 01:52:32,519
Speaker 5: awesome investment. You cannot doubt the return that is that

2381
01:52:32,560 --> 01:52:36,600
Speaker 5: has gained. Absolutely. I think artificial intelligence is going to

2382
01:52:36,640 --> 01:52:41,559
Speaker 5: be here forever. However, I would also argue that if

2383
01:52:41,600 --> 01:52:44,760
Speaker 5: you think that a new digital class like bitcoin, if

2384
01:52:44,800 --> 01:52:46,640
Speaker 5: you don't think with like, I don't know, what is

2385
01:52:46,680 --> 01:52:49,760
Speaker 5: there eight hundred nine hundred trillion dollars of wealth out

2386
01:52:49,800 --> 01:52:53,200
Speaker 5: there right now? If you don't think one percent of that,

2387
01:52:53,320 --> 01:52:57,000
Speaker 5: let's take one percent of nine hundred trillion, isn't going

2388
01:52:57,040 --> 01:53:02,719
Speaker 5: into a fixed asset, the most your asset ever created, right,

2389
01:53:03,320 --> 01:53:05,200
Speaker 5: And you don't think one percent of that is going

2390
01:53:05,280 --> 01:53:07,400
Speaker 5: to go into like out of that nine hundred trillion

2391
01:53:07,439 --> 01:53:10,160
Speaker 5: is going to bitcoin, I think that's ridiculous too. So

2392
01:53:10,320 --> 01:53:11,519
Speaker 5: what would that do to the price.

2393
01:53:11,840 --> 01:53:15,000
Speaker 3: The issue that we're also having too is we're combating

2394
01:53:15,240 --> 01:53:18,120
Speaker 3: Navidia versus and I don't think we do. We should

2395
01:53:18,120 --> 01:53:21,120
Speaker 3: do that. You should own and again you've dealt with

2396
01:53:21,160 --> 01:53:24,320
Speaker 3: bad financial advisors. So why you've lost money? You know

2397
01:53:24,439 --> 01:53:24,960
Speaker 3: about people.

2398
01:53:25,080 --> 01:53:28,519
Speaker 5: I didn't lose money. I gained some money, Okay, to

2399
01:53:28,600 --> 01:53:32,360
Speaker 5: expect someone to go, okay, well, here's this person, right,

2400
01:53:32,360 --> 01:53:34,800
Speaker 5: whether you have a financial advisor or not. How many

2401
01:53:34,800 --> 01:53:39,520
Speaker 5: financial advisors are actually making money like to outpace inflation

2402
01:53:39,680 --> 01:53:41,240
Speaker 5: over the course of ten.

2403
01:53:41,120 --> 01:53:43,240
Speaker 3: To many, many, many, many.

2404
01:53:43,040 --> 01:53:43,920
Speaker 5: I don't think a lot of them.

2405
01:53:44,080 --> 01:53:46,200
Speaker 3: If you built the SMP. Hold on a second, though, Kenny,

2406
01:53:46,439 --> 01:53:48,080
Speaker 3: you don't need a financial advisor to buy the S

2407
01:53:48,080 --> 01:53:50,040
Speaker 3: and P five hundred. If you bought the S and

2408
01:53:50,040 --> 01:53:52,879
Speaker 3: P five hundred since nineteen fifty eight, you outpaced inflation.

2409
01:53:53,479 --> 01:53:56,760
Speaker 3: So I think I think we got to calm down

2410
01:53:56,760 --> 01:54:00,000
Speaker 3: a second, and we got to not be defensive over investments.

2411
01:54:00,640 --> 01:54:02,880
Speaker 3: I've already agreed with you. I said it from my

2412
01:54:02,960 --> 01:54:05,639
Speaker 3: initial get go invest two percent of your money in bitcoin,

2413
01:54:06,000 --> 01:54:08,280
Speaker 3: but you should also own some physical gold. You should

2414
01:54:08,320 --> 01:54:11,960
Speaker 3: also own other stocks and other companies that actually make

2415
01:54:12,240 --> 01:54:14,960
Speaker 3: cash flow. No argument you can ever make there. You

2416
01:54:15,000 --> 01:54:17,240
Speaker 3: can go to any bitcoin conference. I've gone to them.

2417
01:54:17,240 --> 01:54:20,920
Speaker 3: All have debated bitcoin experts. There's no cash flow. There's

2418
01:54:20,960 --> 01:54:25,160
Speaker 3: just scarcity. There's scarcity of that, and that is why

2419
01:54:25,520 --> 01:54:28,400
Speaker 3: that's your only debate, It's the only debate you can make,

2420
01:54:28,760 --> 01:54:31,320
Speaker 3: is that it's it's it's a scarcity. Now, I will

2421
01:54:31,360 --> 01:54:35,600
Speaker 3: counteract that there's other cryptocurrencies that, in my opinion, might

2422
01:54:35,640 --> 01:54:39,200
Speaker 3: be better cryptocurrencies long term because they're built into a

2423
01:54:39,280 --> 01:54:42,440
Speaker 3: less scarcity of asset. If I lived in a small

2424
01:54:42,440 --> 01:54:45,240
Speaker 3: town in Chile, I think I should have access to bitcoin,

2425
01:54:45,960 --> 01:54:47,400
Speaker 3: and I think I would have more of my money

2426
01:54:47,400 --> 01:54:50,000
Speaker 3: in bitcoin than I would in the Chilian dollar. Okay,

2427
01:54:50,440 --> 01:54:53,000
Speaker 3: but in the United States of America where we actually

2428
01:54:53,080 --> 01:54:56,880
Speaker 3: have again, it's because of our GDP you got to

2429
01:54:57,240 --> 01:55:00,440
Speaker 3: and also the one constraint that you have to also

2430
01:55:00,560 --> 01:55:03,200
Speaker 3: think about. And again I don't want to be the

2431
01:55:03,240 --> 01:55:06,520
Speaker 3: anti bitcoin, you're the pro bitcoin. I mean, we could

2432
01:55:06,560 --> 01:55:09,120
Speaker 3: have that debate all day, but again, it will always

2433
01:55:09,160 --> 01:55:11,920
Speaker 3: come down to cash flow with me and diversification.

2434
01:55:12,200 --> 01:55:16,000
Speaker 5: I wonder why black Rock and Fidelity are have these

2435
01:55:16,040 --> 01:55:17,120
Speaker 5: ETFs for bitcoin.

2436
01:55:17,640 --> 01:55:18,600
Speaker 3: I wonder make money.

2437
01:55:18,720 --> 01:55:19,480
Speaker 5: Maybe they don't see that.

2438
01:55:19,480 --> 01:55:20,360
Speaker 3: They make money.

2439
01:55:20,120 --> 01:55:22,480
Speaker 5: Absolutely because they know people are going to buy it.

2440
01:55:22,800 --> 01:55:25,200
Speaker 3: Does Why does Vanguard and black Rock own fifty percent

2441
01:55:25,200 --> 01:55:26,560
Speaker 3: of the land in the United States?

2442
01:55:26,960 --> 01:55:28,960
Speaker 5: They make money, They make money, right of course, Yeah,

2443
01:55:29,000 --> 01:55:31,960
Speaker 5: it make money. So either they're making money or they're not.

2444
01:55:32,120 --> 01:55:35,120
Speaker 3: Is there is Jamie Diamond. Jamie Diamond, Jamie Diamond, who

2445
01:55:35,120 --> 01:55:36,680
Speaker 3: happens to be one of the most brilliant minds in

2446
01:55:36,720 --> 01:55:42,880
Speaker 3: finance today, wants Chase to give access to bitcoin, but

2447
01:55:43,000 --> 01:55:45,240
Speaker 3: he doesn't believe in it. He wants to make money

2448
01:55:45,240 --> 01:55:48,480
Speaker 3: on it. Okay, Again, I also want you to know

2449
01:55:48,520 --> 01:55:50,360
Speaker 3: that when you go and you buy bitcoin, you're also

2450
01:55:50,560 --> 01:55:52,680
Speaker 3: having to buy it somewhere right, and you're having to

2451
01:55:52,680 --> 01:55:56,640
Speaker 3: pay something to buy it. So the conversation that will

2452
01:55:56,680 --> 01:55:58,600
Speaker 3: advisors don't make money on it, that's why they don't

2453
01:55:58,600 --> 01:56:01,480
Speaker 3: pitch it, that's not necessarily accurate.

2454
01:56:01,520 --> 01:56:01,760
Speaker 4: Either.

2455
01:56:02,040 --> 01:56:04,120
Speaker 3: There's exchanges that do. And how many of those big

2456
01:56:04,120 --> 01:56:07,880
Speaker 3: exchanges go out of business or go bankrupt or we're

2457
01:56:07,920 --> 01:56:11,120
Speaker 3: in fraud FTX, you know, I mean people really believed

2458
01:56:11,160 --> 01:56:13,680
Speaker 3: in FTX. How many of them are sitting on their

2459
01:56:13,720 --> 01:56:15,880
Speaker 3: hands going Man, if I would have listened to Evan

2460
01:56:15,880 --> 01:56:17,680
Speaker 3: Mayer and just put two percent of my assets or

2461
01:56:17,680 --> 01:56:19,600
Speaker 3: I listened to Kenny and put ninety eight percent of

2462
01:56:19,640 --> 01:56:22,280
Speaker 3: my assets in that, how am I feeling about that?

2463
01:56:22,320 --> 01:56:25,680
Speaker 3: So it's not as a financial planner and as a

2464
01:56:25,680 --> 01:56:29,360
Speaker 3: fiduciary of money. It's not necessarily always about hitting home

2465
01:56:29,440 --> 01:56:32,920
Speaker 3: runs and scarcity of something. It's how can I put

2466
01:56:32,960 --> 01:56:36,160
Speaker 3: money for clients away where they're diversified, they're beating inflation

2467
01:56:36,280 --> 01:56:41,160
Speaker 3: long term, okay, and their money is safe. And I

2468
01:56:41,200 --> 01:56:45,200
Speaker 3: agree with you that the dollar could blow up any day,

2469
01:56:45,400 --> 01:56:48,720
Speaker 3: right or any year, that fiat currency just goes away.

2470
01:56:48,960 --> 01:56:50,960
Speaker 3: I mean, America is going more and more into debt.

2471
01:56:51,400 --> 01:56:54,680
Speaker 3: Republican Democrat, they don't care. They're printing money. Money is

2472
01:56:54,720 --> 01:56:58,760
Speaker 3: getting printed. And but for you to change the entire

2473
01:56:59,000 --> 01:57:03,920
Speaker 3: financial system, you're talking about a nuclear holocaust. It wouldn't

2474
01:57:03,920 --> 01:57:04,720
Speaker 3: be good for any of us.

2475
01:57:05,960 --> 01:57:08,240
Speaker 7: Evan Mayer with us here on the Anakin Florian Podcast,

2476
01:57:08,320 --> 01:57:10,959
Speaker 7: A little contentious with Ken Fa on the Bitcoin Conversation.

2477
01:57:11,040 --> 01:57:14,480
Speaker 7: By the way, Evan hosts an outstanding financial podcast for

2478
01:57:14,680 --> 01:57:17,520
Speaker 7: Advisors by Advisors. I love the name, sort of a

2479
01:57:17,560 --> 01:57:20,120
Speaker 7: playoff of fubu. But I was in your studio last

2480
01:57:20,120 --> 01:57:22,160
Speaker 7: week and I just think you'd do such a great

2481
01:57:22,240 --> 01:57:25,840
Speaker 7: job preparing and hosting and inflecting. I like your voice,

2482
01:57:25,840 --> 01:57:28,120
Speaker 7: so be sure to check out four Advisors by Advisors

2483
01:57:28,480 --> 01:57:30,720
Speaker 7: before I let you go. And this might be a

2484
01:57:30,720 --> 01:57:32,960
Speaker 7: difficult question to ask, because I do think when it

2485
01:57:33,000 --> 01:57:35,920
Speaker 7: comes to this UFC roster and mixed martial arts athletes

2486
01:57:35,960 --> 01:57:39,440
Speaker 7: around the world, there's such a huge spectrum in terms

2487
01:57:39,480 --> 01:57:43,200
Speaker 7: of their financial situation. So I guess I'll ask in

2488
01:57:43,240 --> 01:57:45,240
Speaker 7: a broad sense, if you are a UFC fighter who

2489
01:57:45,240 --> 01:57:47,960
Speaker 7: maybe has saved twenty five or fifty thousand dollars, or

2490
01:57:47,960 --> 01:57:52,400
Speaker 7: maybe you haven't saved that much money. They're all independent contractors.

2491
01:57:52,440 --> 01:57:55,120
Speaker 7: Is it your advice for them to start an LLC

2492
01:57:55,360 --> 01:57:57,360
Speaker 7: or an es corp? And if they want to just

2493
01:57:57,400 --> 01:58:00,280
Speaker 7: sort of get off the ground floor with investing, is

2494
01:58:00,320 --> 01:58:03,760
Speaker 7: there any advice you would have for those individuals.

2495
01:58:03,960 --> 01:58:08,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. And obviously you always want to

2496
01:58:08,160 --> 01:58:10,960
Speaker 3: open up some sort of a business shell, whether it's

2497
01:58:11,000 --> 01:58:15,040
Speaker 3: an llcor or you know, an S corp. But by

2498
01:58:15,040 --> 01:58:18,120
Speaker 3: the way, there's no there's something called file sub chapter

2499
01:58:18,400 --> 01:58:21,280
Speaker 3: S corp. As far as everything flows through your personal taxes,

2500
01:58:21,280 --> 01:58:24,880
Speaker 3: but you should always have some sort of corporation or shell,

2501
01:58:24,960 --> 01:58:27,000
Speaker 3: and part of that is your ability to write off

2502
01:58:27,040 --> 01:58:29,640
Speaker 3: things like your travel and things that are needed for

2503
01:58:29,760 --> 01:58:34,000
Speaker 3: business expenses. So all UFC fighters, in my opinion, should

2504
01:58:34,000 --> 01:58:38,280
Speaker 3: should have some sort of of company shell, Yes, because

2505
01:58:38,320 --> 01:58:41,440
Speaker 3: it will protect them not only on their assets, but

2506
01:58:41,480 --> 01:58:43,840
Speaker 3: their ability to write things off and expense things through

2507
01:58:43,840 --> 01:58:46,840
Speaker 3: their corporation, which is a lot easier to do than

2508
01:58:46,880 --> 01:58:52,040
Speaker 3: to expense things on a personal level. Two, Investing is

2509
01:58:52,320 --> 01:58:56,640
Speaker 3: important no matter what size asset you have. If you

2510
01:58:56,760 --> 01:58:59,040
Speaker 3: are making you know, as you said, twenty five fifty

2511
01:58:59,080 --> 01:59:02,000
Speaker 3: thousand dollars to put a way, Yeah, buy a little bitcoin. Again,

2512
01:59:02,000 --> 01:59:04,440
Speaker 3: no issue with buying a little bitcoin. Put some money

2513
01:59:04,480 --> 01:59:06,760
Speaker 3: in an S and P five s P y you know,

2514
01:59:06,840 --> 01:59:09,960
Speaker 3: et F or index fund. The index tends to be

2515
01:59:10,600 --> 01:59:15,320
Speaker 3: most financial portfolio managers. Ninety eight percent of portfolio managers

2516
01:59:15,360 --> 01:59:17,680
Speaker 3: lose to the S and P. The SMP is cheap.

2517
01:59:18,320 --> 01:59:20,800
Speaker 3: To buy an ETF might cost you, you know, ten

2518
01:59:20,840 --> 01:59:23,720
Speaker 3: basis points a year point one oh a year, you know,

2519
01:59:23,960 --> 01:59:26,120
Speaker 3: very low, you know fee that you have to pay

2520
01:59:26,120 --> 01:59:28,920
Speaker 3: to get in there to be able to diversify your money,

2521
01:59:28,960 --> 01:59:31,320
Speaker 3: Should you own other things goal, should you own bond?

2522
01:59:31,360 --> 01:59:33,640
Speaker 3: Should you own other investments that maybe don't have the

2523
01:59:33,640 --> 01:59:37,320
Speaker 3: same volatility as the overall stock market? The answer is yes.

2524
01:59:37,960 --> 01:59:42,480
Speaker 3: Diversification is key. Seeing a good financial planner is key.

2525
01:59:43,600 --> 01:59:46,360
Speaker 3: And it's you know, the one problem in our in

2526
01:59:46,400 --> 01:59:49,440
Speaker 3: our business and and you know, no beating around the

2527
01:59:49,440 --> 01:59:51,280
Speaker 3: bush If you don't have a lot of assets to

2528
01:59:51,280 --> 01:59:53,919
Speaker 3: get started, it's hard to get a good financial advisor,

2529
01:59:53,960 --> 01:59:57,000
Speaker 3: so you might deal with people that are bad financial

2530
01:59:57,000 --> 01:59:59,320
Speaker 3: advisors that are only incentivized to sell you something as

2531
01:59:59,320 --> 02:00:02,200
Speaker 3: canny can you brought up earlier. A fee based, good

2532
02:00:02,200 --> 02:00:05,800
Speaker 3: financial planner that won't be very costly comes once you

2533
02:00:05,920 --> 02:00:09,320
Speaker 3: hit the six digit, seven digits eight digit asset size.

2534
02:00:09,560 --> 02:00:13,360
Speaker 3: So as you're growing and you're in the lower income

2535
02:00:13,440 --> 02:00:17,880
Speaker 3: bracket situation, you're better off buying index funds or ETFs

2536
02:00:17,960 --> 02:00:20,240
Speaker 3: or things along those lines than seeing a financial planner

2537
02:00:20,680 --> 02:00:22,680
Speaker 3: until you probably hit that one hundred two hundred three

2538
02:00:22,720 --> 02:00:25,120
Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars minimum mark where you can start to

2539
02:00:25,160 --> 02:00:27,520
Speaker 3: deal with a decent financial advisor that's going to be

2540
02:00:27,560 --> 02:00:31,560
Speaker 3: able to produce better returns and also protect you long term.

2541
02:00:31,800 --> 02:00:33,920
Speaker 3: Twenty year olds and thirty year olds tend to not

2542
02:00:34,120 --> 02:00:36,920
Speaker 3: think about like, hey, how's this money going to work

2543
02:00:36,960 --> 02:00:40,000
Speaker 3: for me in my fifty sixty seventies, right. They tend

2544
02:00:40,000 --> 02:00:42,440
Speaker 3: to think about growth, like hey, how do I make

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Speaker 3: the most money? Bitcoin is very attractive to younger people

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Speaker 3: because of that excitement or that ability to grow your assets,

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Speaker 3: But as you start making real wealth, and you hit

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Speaker 3: the seven eight digit numbers at forty five to fifty

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Speaker 3: years old. To have significant amount of your money fluctuating

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Speaker 3: where it can go from sixty thousand down to twenty

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Speaker 3: thousand in a matter of a year, that's kind of

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Speaker 3: scary when you watch a ten million dollar portfolio drop

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Speaker 3: to two million dollars, right, So when your asset size

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Speaker 3: starts to grow, diversification becomes important. But I would say

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Speaker 3: in the beginning, start with some index funds. Vanguard does

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Speaker 3: phenomenal job. As you know, I'm not plugging Vanguard here,

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Speaker 3: but they do a phenomenal job at low cost fidelity.

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Speaker 3: Does you know a great job at low cost ETFs

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Speaker 3: to be able to get started.

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Speaker 7: For tunawealth dot com, the founder and CEO evan mayor

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Speaker 7: for Advisors by Advisors, I learned so much just sitting

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Speaker 7: down with you before we even went on your podcast.

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Speaker 7: I profess a lot of ignorance when it comes to

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Speaker 7: everything that you guys are discussing. And one thing I'll

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Speaker 7: just say, I bought bitcoin as high as sixty two thousand, right,

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Speaker 7: and it did go down into the twenties and now

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Speaker 7: it's up above fifty. So I just think the gambler

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Speaker 7: loves buying that shit every chance I get. But Evan,

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Speaker 7: we appreciate the insight very much. If you want more

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Speaker 7: from Evan Mayor, and why would you not for advisors

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Speaker 7: by advisors wherever you download your podcast, appreciate the time,

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Speaker 7: my man, and I will see you soon.

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Speaker 3: Thanks guys for having me on. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 7: There he is Evan Mayor with us, the founder and

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Speaker 7: CEO of Fortuna Wealth. If you want access to his services,

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Speaker 7: go to Fortunawealth dot com. And his clientele I think

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Speaker 7: is probably north of sixty year old people on average, right,

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Speaker 7: certainly for me when I was in my twenties and thirties.

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Speaker 7: You know, I'm just trying to pay my fucking rent.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 7: Last thing I was thinking about was trying to invest.

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Speaker 7: But uh, better to get ahead of it than to

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Speaker 7: be behind it. But we got to get on out

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Speaker 7: of here. Thank you to our guest today, Ray Longo,

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Speaker 7: Brian Petrick here and Portley and of course Evan Mayor.

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Speaker 7: We are right back with you next Monday, March fourth,

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Speaker 7: and that's going to be a big one as we

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Speaker 7: get you prime for UFC two ninety nine O'Malley versus

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Speaker 7: Thank you to our executive producer Cody Merrifford, Cannaflo and

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Speaker 7: John and we will talk to you next Monday in

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Speaker 7: advance of you have seen two ninety nine.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy the fights this weekend. Until then, you'll let.

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Speaker 4: The bread.

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Speaker 5: He's gone bread.

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Speaker 3: He's gone red.

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Speaker 5: Light this so precious to the method.

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Speaker 8: You can keep your hands on the box.

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Speaker 4: Here the open.

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Speaker 3: He's gone red.

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Speaker 8: He's gone red.

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Speaker 1: He's gone