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Speaker 2: Why are you mad at me?

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Speaker 1: Millie? I'm mad because you haven't read my screenplay. I

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Speaker 1: sent you my screenplay like two months ago and you

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Speaker 2: So just to be clear, So now that we do

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Speaker 2: a podcast together, I'm supposed to read your screenplays.

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Speaker 1: Just well you're not. You're not supposed to, but you

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Speaker 1: said you would.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I barely remember that, but I will. I will

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Speaker 2: submit it that It's fine. I don't know what to

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Speaker 2: tell you about. So let me ask you. Okay, written

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Speaker 2: a screenplay before? Have you done that before?

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Speaker 1: Well, inasmuch that I've seen a film that's based on

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Speaker 1: I don't you know, after you know, once you read

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Speaker 1: the screenplay, I think it might surprise you that I

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Speaker 2: Mmm, it might surprise me. Yeah, well, I'm gonna say that.

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Speaker 2: First of all, I've never read a screenplay, so maybe

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Speaker 2: I'm not the best judge of this, But I really

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Speaker 2: feel like you could have trimmed a few pages.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you have read the screenplay, I knew it.

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Speaker 1: What was this to do?

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Speaker 2: Be like, your screenplay is too damn long.

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Speaker 1: So it should be shorter. I believe the final page

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Speaker 2: I literally could not believe I made it through. Like

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Speaker 2: I was like, I've given up on this shit. Okay,

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Speaker 2: come on, how long have I really known this guy?

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Speaker 2: How long have I really on page like two forty

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Speaker 1: I was like, yo, well, it's a rich text, and

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Speaker 1: you know, I was going for something kind of like

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Speaker 2: the Day. I definitely caught that influence for sure in there.

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Speaker 2: Out of curiosity, dude, like, how many panty raids is

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Speaker 1: Well, the name of the screenplay is panti raid, and

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Speaker 1: twenty seven panny raids in the screenplay. But I felt

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Speaker 2: I gotta be honest with you. I thought probably after

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Speaker 2: there's a panty right coming. Why are the extra times?

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Speaker 2: Why more than just one or two?

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Speaker 1: Okay, And this is a good note you're giving me.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna take this note, and I think we'll meet

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Speaker 2: I listen. I applaud your effort. I love the passion.

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Speaker 1: But dude, okay, well, this is all good, This is

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Speaker 1: always improve, and I think I'll probably improve more my

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Speaker 1: screenplay that is, Yeah, we'll improve more after our discussion

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Speaker 1: today because we're actually talking about camp movies.

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Speaker 2: We are. It's like, how timely, how timely that the

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Speaker 2: screenplay business has come up. Because our episode today is

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Speaker 1: From the twisted mind.

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Speaker 2: So we're gonna talk about what nineties camp movies.

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Speaker 1: That's right, and in particular a movie I this might

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Speaker 1: be the movie I've seen more than any other movie. Wow,

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Speaker 2: stay tuned, everybody. You are listening to Dear Movies, I Love.

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Speaker 2: Love and I've got to.

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Speaker 2: Check the books. All right, folks, As I just mentioned,

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Speaker 2: you are listening to the podcast Dear Movies, I Love You.

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Speaker 2: This is a film podcast for people who are in

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Speaker 2: And yeah, this episode, dude.

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Speaker 1: Summertime, summertime, summer fun. I'm excited for the summer, and

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Speaker 1: and we must begin our episode like we do every episode. Bye,

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Speaker 1: opening up our film diary. Do you like this bit

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Speaker 1: What have you watched this last week?

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Speaker 2: Well, I gotta tell you it was another very light week.

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Speaker 1: Uh, Okay, I'm on my little journey to watch all

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Speaker 1: the Mission Impossibles. So I watched Mission Impossible Dead Reckoning

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Speaker 1: I really love these movies. They really are very intoxicating

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Speaker 1: Well that's the thing. Even when my parents weren't working

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah. Like my sister hangs out with my nephews

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Speaker 2: But it's but that I think was the the first

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Speaker 1: Oh no, sure, I will.

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Speaker 2: I will explain this a little bit more when we

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Speaker 2: Skim milk. Who the fuck loves skim milk? Am I right.

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Speaker 1: That? I hate skim milk. It's disgusting.

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Speaker 2: It's like milk flavored water. Yes, adults were constantly if

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Speaker 2: and like having like writing camp letters and sure, you know,

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00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 2: I don't know, doing the like little darling stuff of

436
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 2: like you know, having food fights and going out on

437
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 2: canoes and stuff.

438
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: But the idea of not having TV for that long, yeah,

439
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: just seemed like torture. Yeah, like I'd a whole summer.

440
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 1: That seems so crazy to send little kids away for

441
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: the whole summer.

442
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:43,919
Speaker 2: It's wild.

443
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, But people do it. People do it all the time.

444
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny. We're gonna talk about the movie obviously,

445
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 1: but there were so many camp movies and like TV

446
00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: shows in the nine and late eighties, and I'm gonna

447
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: throw in even Wet Hot American Summer, which came out

448
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 1: in two thousand and one. Sure, but just to it

449
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 1: was like a lot of them. I was kind of

450
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 1: surprised going through it. There's Camp Nowhere from nineteen ninety

451
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: four with Christopher Lloyd, which was a beloved movie in

452
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:22,360
Speaker 1: our house, as well the show Salute Your Shorts on Nickelodeon,

453
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 1: Bug Juice on Disney Channel. Adam's Family Values is a

454
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: camp movie from nineteen ninety three. You know, the whole Thanksgiving,

455
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: a play which happens during the summer for some reason,

456
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 1: The Parent Trap in nineteen ninety eight with Lindsay Lohan.

457
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 1: There's a lot of others. But what do you think

458
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 1: it is? Why was this happening? Why was there so

459
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 1: much camp culture going on in the nineties.

460
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard. I mean I feel like the structure

461
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 2: of a camp like it allows for like ensemble cast

462
00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 2: of kids, which I think is like I think it's

463
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 2: it's really if you want to maybe distill it, it's

464
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,360
Speaker 2: it's kind of a just a proliferation of like kids programming, right.

465
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 2: So it's like there was always camp movies. I mean

466
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 2: there was like camp stuff in the eighties, obviously a

467
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 2: lot of times horror, right, But I think like as

468
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 2: the decade of the eighties moved on and there was

469
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,719
Speaker 2: just more and more children's programming between like Nickelodeon, Disney

470
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 2: Channel and just sort of like I don't know, more

471
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 2: things geared towards kids, like toys and things. I feel

472
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 2: like it just kind of crested in the nineties where

473
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 2: it was just like, Okay, well we have all these

474
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 2: like children that we've been selling wares to and having

475
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 2: them form positive brand affiliations with cable networks and whatnot.

476
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 2: So like, let's just try to keep it going. And

477
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 2: I guess it's it is like, you know, it's like

478
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 2: any show that you can get like five or six,

479
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 2: you know, funny kids together who have different personalities, and

480
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 2: you know, like, what are they gonna do? Have a job? No,

481
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 2: They're gonna be a camp.

482
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: Well, I think as from a narrative structure point of view,

483
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: it is a it's a place where kids are essentially

484
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 1: totally free, unlike regular society. Yeah, you know, and so

485
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 1: like it allows different types of storylines where like kids

486
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,239
Speaker 1: have total independence. I mean that's kind of why I

487
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,120
Speaker 1: like the show Pete and Pete Growing Up The Adventures

488
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: of Pete and Pete is because this was essentially a

489
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 1: show about children who there are no rules that apply

490
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: to them. I mean, they have parents on the show,

491
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: but it's like they're you know, parents are the enemy,

492
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: you know, and but in you know, in the camp,

493
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: the kids are running wild. They have no rules, there's

494
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: no real disciplinary structure for them, right. No, Well, let's

495
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: get into Heavyweight's a little bit A beloved film, A

496
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: beloved film in My Household nineteen ninety five. It was

497
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: directed by Stephen Brill, who went on to direct a

498
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: bunch of Adam Sandler movies, including Little Nikki and Hohobie Halloween,

499
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: to name a few. Screenplay is by Steven Brill and

500
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: jud Apatow, and this movie is kind of responsible for

501
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: Freaks and Geeks because Paul Fig, the creator Freaks and Geeks,

502
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: is in this movie as well as a camp counselor.

503
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: But the synopsis is on the final day of school,

504
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: eleven year old Jerald Garner played by Aaron Schwartz is

505
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: told by his parents that he has to go to

506
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: Camp Hope, a weight loss camp aka a fat camp.

507
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: He hates the idea because I love this. I love

508
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: his line that he says, I have plans for the summer.

509
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hang out. I love that, but he has

510
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: to go. He hates the idea, but once he meets

511
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: the fellow campers and realizes that no one there is

512
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: really there to lose weight. It's more just to have

513
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: a good time, he changes his tune. But little do

514
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: they all know, a physical fitness cycle path named Tony

515
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: Purkis Junior played by Ben Stiller, has purchased the camp.

516
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: He turns the camp into something closer to a military

517
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: prisoner of war camp with the hopes of making money

518
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: off an infomercial he's making. What will Jerry and his

519
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: band of brothers do to save their summer? We don't

520
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: know what we do because we watched the movie. But uh,

521
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: what did you think, Milly? For initial thoughts?

522
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 2: You know, initial thoughts? You know? Okay, So like obviously

523
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 2: I felt like this was something this this is a

524
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 2: movie that I missed, you know, first run because.

525
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: It is a children's movie. Yehi Caad by Disney.

526
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 2: Yeah ninety five. I was you know, I was in

527
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 2: my Shi head phase. I wouldn't have watched a Disney movie, right, yeah, So,

528
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 2: like I would have been like fifteen or sixteen years old.

529
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 2: So by that time I was already like quoting reservoir

530
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:05,719
Speaker 2: dogs because then drinking mister Boston's vodka by the gallon.

531
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 2: In fact, I was a drinker in high school. Did

532
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 2: you drink in high school?

533
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: Not at all?

534
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 2: Wow?

535
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: I yeah, I didn't drink at all in high school.

536
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: I think all the like popular kids and the hockey players,

537
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: they all were really into drinking, and I think for me,

538
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: I was like afraid, but also I was like, I

539
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: don't want to be like these people, like these people

540
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: are not cool. Like the cool kids drank and the

541
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: art kids I feel like didn't. But it wasn't like

542
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: I wasn't like straight edge or like Christian or anything.

543
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: I was just quiet and unpopular. You know.

544
00:31:55,320 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I I drank. I wasn't cool. I can

545
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 2: think I can say that I was like extremely othered

546
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 2: in this weird way where I was artsy and like weird,

547
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 2: but even there was like a tier above me of

548
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 2: like popular artsy people are like I hear that popular

549
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 2: alternative kids. So it was basically like probably deflectors. In

550
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 2: any other era, they would have been like a jock,

551
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 2: but they were like into Nirvana and Pearl Jam and

552
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 2: they were just like so they were alternative kids, but

553
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 2: they were hot and like had sex and they made

554
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 2: fun of me and my friends because we were like

555
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 2: sub human alternative kids or punk rock. Yes, does that

556
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 2: make sense?

557
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean I think also I didn't drink

558
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: because I and I'm not saying this for a pity

559
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: party thing. I truly did not have many friends in

560
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: high school, Like I really I did not have a

561
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: group of friends. I had sort of one offs, but

562
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: like most weak I didn't really have anyone to hang

563
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: out with. Yeah, and it wasn't until a college that

564
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: I found my you know, my people. But high school,

565
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: I went to a very jock heavy high school, and uh,

566
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: I had a hard time. It was an unpleasant time,

567
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: and I was very excited to be jettisoned out of

568
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: there and go to Los Angeles.

569
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 2: Afterwards after high school graduation. So well, I think that's

570
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 2: part of the reason why I drank so much in

571
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 2: high school or like smoked we I did all of

572
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,719
Speaker 2: my partying in high school because I couldn't stand it.

573
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 2: And then when I got to college, I was like, oh,

574
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 2: this is great because I am in a film program

575
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 2: with like a bunch of other cool like weird film people,

576
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 2: and I'm a DJ on the college radio station. So

577
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 2: I wanted to be like mentally present for all these things.

578
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

579
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 2: So I just was a wasight. I was wasted in

580
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 2: high school, and it was great because I moved past it.

581
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 2: And now I'm bad.

582
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: I should have been I should have drank. I should

583
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: have drank more in high school when I was you know,

584
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: fifteen years old.

585
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I always to say heavy weights would have

586
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 2: been on my radar for that reason alone, of course.

587
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 2: But then I mean, this is gonna be like probably

588
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 2: a little bit personal strap the fucking everyone. But it

589
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 2: was like for me, I think that I was I

590
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 2: was always avoiding things like that would have discussed weight,

591
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 2: sure or anything, because it was so I mean, you know,

592
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 2: as a kid, you're just so shamed for that, and

593
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 2: so I did not want to be around And even

594
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 2: if it was like a positive thing at the end,

595
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 2: or if it was kind of a comedy, or if

596
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 2: it was sort of like it had a good like

597
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 2: intention about it, I just was like, I don't want

598
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 2: to be in front of anything that talks about fatness

599
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 2: or weight in any way.

600
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I have so many friends who I

601
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: feel like have a lot of trauma from like being

602
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: put on like I don't even know the names of

603
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: these programs, but like weight loss programs for little you know,

604
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:05,399
Speaker 1: Jenny Craig programs for little kids, and like drinking like

605
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,879
Speaker 1: slim Fast. Slim Fast, Yes, that was a big thing,

606
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,720
Speaker 1: and like that still comes up and that's like twenty

607
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: thirty years later, and so I can see why that

608
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: would be something you would want to avoid, Yeah, at all, costs.

609
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 2: Oh that was me, bitch. I was at Weight Watchers

610
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 2: when I was like twelve years old, and I was

611
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 2: not even there was no like junior version of it.

612
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 2: It was like me and a bunch of like middle

613
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 2: aged women. And there's a scene in Heavyweights that was

614
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 2: like and when I say like being triggered, it's like,

615
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 2: I'm in a really good place about who I am,

616
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 2: and so this is all just me like just saying

617
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 2: the word in order to just say it right. Sure,

618
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 2: but there was that scene of where they're doing like

619
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 2: weigh in that was so like, I mean, first of all,

620
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 2: I kept thinking to myself, that could never happen, Like

621
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 2: that is just so deeply embarrassing to be weighed in

622
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 2: front of a room full of people, unless you're like

623
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,720
Speaker 2: a boxer. But if you're like a fucking child who

624
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 2: like they've told you has a weight problem and then

625
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 2: they like weighing you in front of other kids and

626
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 2: other adults, I mean that was horrifying.

627
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:18,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

628
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 2: But like when I remember being in Weight Watchers when

629
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 2: I was twelve, like some of these kids age basically

630
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 2: and they would do that, they would weigh you in

631
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 2: front of people, and it wasn't like a thing where

632
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 2: it was like one person stands and everybody waits. They

633
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 2: had like different like weight scale stations or whatever, so

634
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 2: everybody was kind of getting weighed at the same time.

635
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 2: But just the fucking concept of having that happen in

636
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 2: a public space at all is so crazy to me.

637
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean I think this movie is attempting

638
00:36:53,520 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 1: to be empowering. Yeah, whether it succeeds is another, you know,

639
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: issue altogether. But Keenan Keenan Thompson, who's in this movie,

640
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: plays Roy. He wrote in his biography which came out

641
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 1: a few years ago, and this was in a People magazine.

642
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: I saw he was writing about how he had body

643
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: image issues when he was a kid, you know, he

644
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: was like a famous kid, and he said that he

645
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: felt exploited a little while filming Heavyweights and wrote that

646
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 1: he convinced himself that it wasn't happening to him. But

647
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: that's really sad. And I did think about the kids

648
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 1: on this just casting the movie, you know, like, hey,

649
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: we need we need fat kids for a movie called Heavyweights,

650
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 1: And it's like, how do you get how do these

651
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: little kids, you know, and are their parents like my

652
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: kid's fat? I can get him he could be in

653
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: this you know, it's like it's sort of disturbing to

654
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:59,760
Speaker 1: think about that. Yeah, process even handled right, they're.

655
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 2: Being like casting session where they're like, well they're like

656
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 2: looking at like kids' headshots, being like, well, I like

657
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 2: this fat kid and the other fat kid. I don't

658
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 2: like it just seems so that's just so bleak and

659
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 2: fucked up, you know.

660
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and like.

661
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 2: This is the thing that I kept coming back to

662
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 2: when I was watching this movie, where I was like,

663
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 2: there are good moments happening, like certainly there are like

664
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 2: semi tender, decent moments happening in this movie, but then

665
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 2: there's just moments where I feel like maybe they had

666
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 2: good intentions for it, but it was like it's just

667
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 2: too sensitive, Like you just it's almost kind of like

668
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 2: you just can't go there and not offend somebody, like

669
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 2: offend like somebody is gonna be feeling some type of way,

670
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 2: even though it's just part of like what would maybe

671
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 2: happen in a camp, like I don't know, like the

672
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 2: way in thing, I mean, just the whole like and

673
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 2: then just like the whole like idea that they're like

674
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 2: sneaking candy and like all this kind of stuff like

675
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 2: they just have like they're like raiding the bunks and

676
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 2: like trying to get rid of like literal dried sausages

677
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 2: that are being hidden up her mattresses, where I was like,

678
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 2: that's funny as fuck to me. But at the same time,

679
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 2: like this poor kid is hiding his his meats. He

680
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 2: brought meat meat, and I'm like, that is so fucked up.

681
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 2: Like I'm laughing because I'm laughing, but you know what

682
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 2: I mean, Like.

683
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: It's it's shocking that it's a Disney movie. It did

684
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: seem like they snuck stuff in where I'm like, I'm

685
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 1: kind of surprised this guy in there.

686
00:39:55,520 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, well I have Okay, So first of all,

687
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 2: I gotta I'm just gonna say, for the record, i

688
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 2: am patting myself on the back that I've done enough

689
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 2: therapy to be able to like process this movie in

690
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 2: an adult, high level way, Okay, because again, like it is,

691
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 2: it can be very triggering for people. And if you're

692
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 2: out here listening to this and you like you just

693
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 2: can't go there with a movie like this, totally get it.

694
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 2: I totally get it, absolutely, But I feel like, hey,

695
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 2: I've done like the fact that I'm here at this

696
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 2: moment talking about this movie is kind of remarkable if

697
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 2: you think about how I was when I was like

698
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 2: thirteen years old. Certainly, but I I my big this

699
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 2: is all related, by the way. My big thing that

700
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,760
Speaker 2: I wanted to talk to you about is Ben Stiller

701
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:52,760
Speaker 2: because he is obviously the villain of this movie. Yes, okay,

702
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 2: and he he's playing yet another it's like at a

703
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 2: Ben still Stock character. If you think about it.

704
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: Right, it's like this extremely charismatic like psychopath that is

705
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: like kind of like a Tony Robbins meets Tom Cruise.

706
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 2: Like he's just this like you know, white teeth, like

707
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 2: extremely you know, like fit psycho. Right, and like he

708
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 2: is the perfect villain in this movie because he's like,

709
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 2: you know, comes out and he's very Tony Robins esk

710
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 2: and he's wearing his like Spandex outfits and he's shredded.

711
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: Right. Yes, So.

712
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 2: There's this moment where I'm like, Okay, so that is

713
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 2: kind of his bread and butter, because he's like that

714
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 2: in a lot of his comedy.

715
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: I would say this character and the character in Dodgeball, Yes,

716
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: are almost interchangeable.

717
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 2: Yes, that's what I was thinking that. I was like,

718
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 2: this guy turns into the Dodgeball guy, right, am? I

719
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 2: right about that?

720
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: It's it seems like, I mean, it's not the same character,

721
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: but it is, yeah, you know.

722
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 2: Well, and it's like he's also like you know, he's

723
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 2: done this guy so many times, Like you know, I

724
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 2: was thinking about even Zoolander, even Tropic Thunder, like like

725
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 2: he's just basically this like ripped dude that is really

726
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 2: amping up his his sort of obnoxious fucking Hollywood like

727
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 2: I don't know, just like top It very feels very

728
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 2: top Cruise to me. And I know he does Tom

729
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:53,879
Speaker 2: Cruise impressions. But that's like, yes, the character. And it's

730
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 2: interesting because I've laughed at that character several times, like

731
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 2: I've been like, oh yeah, like what a buffoon type

732
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 2: of thing. And that's like obviously the point. And you know,

733
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 2: I actually thought about the Ben Stiller Show, which was

734
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,720
Speaker 2: his short lived you know what is it sketch comedy

735
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 2: show that he did like right before Heavyweights, Like he

736
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 2: was doing it in like the early nineties, and he

737
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 2: would like a lot of times like lampoon shit, like

738
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 2: you know, he there was this whole like Beverly Hills

739
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 2: nine O two one oh send up that he did

740
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 2: where he played both. He was like, he played both

741
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 2: like Dylan and Brandon, who like these characters like from

742
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 2: like a teen show. Like he played both guys but

743
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 2: had slightly different clothes, which I thought was kind of funny.

744
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 2: But it's like he's I think Ben Stiller is so

745
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 2: interesting because I'm like, he feels like a funny weirdo,

746
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 2: but he's also like too hot and will get into

747
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 2: he will he has no problem taking a shirt off.

748
00:43:58,120 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 2: And this is what I said.

749
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: During the Zach brap I know he gets the Zach

750
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 1: Braff Award for guy who has frequently looks for opportunities

751
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: to be shirtless.

752
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 2: Yes, And I'm like, there's something about that. There's something

753
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 2: about there. There's something where I'm like, what compels a

754
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 2: filmmaker or a creator to just always find the opportunities

755
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 2: to show off his guns and his shirtless body? Because

756
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 2: that's not me. That's definitely not me or pretty much

757
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:32,240
Speaker 2: any of the directors.

758
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: I like it's a specific type of thing too, especially

759
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: the Zach Braf It's like, wouldn't it be funny if

760
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: my shirt was off? In this? It's always like you

761
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: can kind of like the benefit of the doubt is like, well,

762
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: I'm doing it because it's funny. Isn't this funny that

763
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: my shirt is off? You know, It's not like it's

764
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: a comedy guy doing it. It's not like a regular

765
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 1: hot leading man guy saying it, you know, but that.

766
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 2: Makes it worse to me. Yeah, I'm just like it's

767
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 2: this kind of like back door like, well, you know,

768
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 2: I do have a hot body, even though I'm not

769
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 2: supposed to because I'm like a weird guy and I'm

770
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 2: weird and quirky and I'm a comedy guy and I'm like, no, dude,

771
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 2: like you're hot, just fucking own it, don't couch it

772
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 2: in this whole Like I'm just gonna be like an

773
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 2: extremely hot, obnoxious guy character in every movie.

774
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 1: Like it's not interesting. It's almost like his body is

775
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 1: informing his comedy choices. It's interesting. Well, And I.

776
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,280
Speaker 2: Feel about saying this because I actually think Ben Siller

777
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 2: is great, Like I like I do too. His movies

778
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:31,720
Speaker 2: are fun and and.

779
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: He honestly seems like kind of a shy person in

780
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 1: real life. Ye Like, he kind of seems like sort

781
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: of sweet and uh, I like him as a creator like,

782
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: I've liked Severance and he seems cool, but you can't

783
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: deny a lot of his characters are showing off their

784
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,320
Speaker 1: abs well exactly.

785
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 2: And I started thinking about Reality Bites, which is, you know,

786
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 2: a movie that he also like directed and he stars in,

787
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,399
Speaker 2: and his character in Reality Bites, and I don't know him,

788
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 2: so I don't know if this is actually true. And

789
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 2: maybe I do know people that know him and can

790
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 2: send me a message and tell me that I'm wrong,

791
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 2: so whatever, But like his character in that feel felt

792
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,439
Speaker 2: the most almost in a way, kind of the most

793
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 2: authentically him, where it's like he plays like he in

794
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 2: Reality Bites, he plays the kind of counterpart to Ethan

795
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 2: Hawk's character, who's this like grumpy jed X fucking cigarette

796
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 2: smoking dude, right, And like he plays his character Michael,

797
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 2: who's like the guy with the job and the suit,

798
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,720
Speaker 2: and he's like corny and attractive, but he's like sweet

799
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,720
Speaker 2: and has good intentions. He's just like a cornball, right, Yeah,

800
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 2: And so Winoda Ryder's like, oh my god, who should

801
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 2: I be with because it's like I gotta grow up

802
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 2: and then but I have but Ethan Hawk, greasy haired

803
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 2: Ethan Hawk.

804
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: So to me.

805
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 2: I think ben Stiller in that in Reality Bites feel

806
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 2: was a little bit more like, Okay, this is like

807
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 2: maybe who he could actually be is like, yes, he's hot,

808
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 2: and it doesn't have the like alternative swagger of a

809
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 2: you know whatever, a nineties hottie. But he's not like

810
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 2: Tony Robbins. He's kind of just like sweet, but like, yeah,

811
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 2: a suit guy. So then what I watched, like when

812
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,439
Speaker 2: I watched Heavyweights, I was like, oh, yeah, this guy

813
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:34,720
Speaker 2: is a fucking maniac. And I'm surprised those kids didn't kill.

814
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: I know, I was for it. I was waiting for it.

815
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 2: I was like, are they actually going to kill him?

816
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 2: I mean it's amazing. I mean Disney, I don't know

817
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 2: about Disney, but.

818
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: It goes dark. It certainly goes dark at the end.

819
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 1: I yes, all good thoughts on Ben Stiller, and I

820
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 1: agree with all of them, and I think we should

821
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: we should maybe do I do? Did we do Reality Bites?

822
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:02,399
Speaker 1: And I saw what you did?

823
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 2: I think we did it very early days and I

824
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 2: think Danielle did it. I don't remember, but that's another like, listen,

825
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 2: I can talk about that movie all day.

826
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: I might need a reevaluation for me, oh.

827
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 2: Let's do a reavowl. Look, come on, we got to.

828
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: But back to this movie obviously, like, yeah, we've touched

829
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: upon the problematic elements and how it's like pretty insensitive

830
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,280
Speaker 1: at times. I'm gonna look at some of the positive,

831
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 1: maybe the positive things about this movie. Yes, this was

832
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: kind of you know, I thought it was funny as

833
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: a kid, but I think it grew an estimation for

834
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: me when Freaks and Geeks came out and there were

835
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: kids who were in Heavyweights that were on Freaks and

836
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 1: Geeks and the creator of Freaks and Geeks, Paul Figue

837
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 1: is a counselor in Heavyweights, and jud Appatoo like wrote

838
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: and produced Freaks and Geeks and I was obsessed with

839
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: Freaks and Geeks too. That was like a huge part

840
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: of my identity, and that only came out Freaks and

841
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 1: Geeks really came out like four years after this, and

842
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: so there is like that connective tissue that I find

843
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,959
Speaker 1: really interesting and there is sort of a similar sense

844
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: of humor there. And then I became like obsessed with

845
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 1: Undeclared Jet Appatos show after Freaks and Geeks, and it

846
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: just sort of like informed a lot of my comedy sensibilities,

847
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: and so I think in retrospect I've attached maybe more

848
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: meaning to Heavyweights than it had for me as a child,

849
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: just because it kind of has that connection to those

850
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:39,720
Speaker 1: other those other shows and things that were so important

851
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: to me later. I think that's about all we can

852
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 1: say about Heavyweights. Did you have any anything else you

853
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:44,760
Speaker 1: wanted to discuss?

854
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 2: Well, I just wanted to talk about a couple things.

855
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 2: Number one, aways, I think the kids are adorable, Like

856
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 2: they're so good.

857
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,879
Speaker 1: The kids are great in this, and so a lot

858
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: of them never did anything after this.

859
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say I recognize Kenan obviously. And

860
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 2: then there was also who's the guy that plays kind

861
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:02,399
Speaker 2: of like the mob boss.

862
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,240
Speaker 1: Kind of Josh? Yeah, he was on Freaks and Geeks

863
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: and he was also in he was in Mighty Ducks.

864
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: He played Goldberg and Mighty Ducks. Weiss. He's run into

865
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: some troubles with the law lately, and I think he's

866
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 1: had a bit of a difficult time, but he was

867
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 1: on Yeah, he was on Freaks and Geeks and he

868
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: seems to be doing better now, but he was another

869
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: stuff certainly.

870
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know who I love in this movie,

871
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 2: and he kind of plays the hero. Is the actor

872
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 2: Tom mcgallan.

873
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: Yes, he pops up in good stuff.

874
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:41,439
Speaker 2: Oh so I remember him, I think the most from

875
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 2: Ghost World.

876
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:46,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, people play Steve Buscemi's roommate, Yes, and is.

877
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 2: He has probably if I had to come up, because

878
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:51,919
Speaker 2: first of all, I mean I think I'm on record

879
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 2: one hundred million times saying Ghost World is a brilliant movie.

880
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,320
Speaker 2: The nuances of Ghost World are so fucking good. And

881
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 2: if I had to like rank like the top three

882
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 2: most like real true to life moments in ghost World,

883
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 2: he as a roommate, an adult roommate, would be like

884
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 2: in the top three.

885
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: Like he's like I think I think there's a scene

886
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: where like him and Steve Bushemi are having a conversation

887
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: and then Tom McGowan just farts, and then I think

888
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 1: he just doesn't say anything and then leaves the room.

889
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, or he'll just be the guy that's like I'm

890
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:31,959
Speaker 2: gonna be in my room and no one cares about

891
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 2: this a shit like that he's leaving or whatever, and

892
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 2: then just the two of them in the garage selling

893
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 2: their shit, you know, like on the weekends. I was like, God,

894
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 2: this is brilliant and like that's what. Like the minute

895
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 2: I saw him in Heavyweights, I was like, oh my god,

896
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 2: is like the greatest dude in Ghost World? Are you

897
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 2: kidding me? Like so good and he's so sweet and

898
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 2: earnest in this movie.

899
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: And I know he really he does. He brings a

900
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: gravity toss to the film that it that it needs. Yeah, yeah,

901
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 1: and great and ulternately.

902
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:12,720
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, scary ass Jeffrey Tambour dad.

903
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: Talk about I mean listen, like I didn't send you

904
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: to go kart camp.

905
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 2: He's like, you're he's still fat, Like he's just amazing,

906
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 2: Like my son's so fat, like I can't believe, like

907
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 2: I lost a pound. Yeah, his whole like the very

908
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 2: beginning where he brings in like the Tim Blake Nelson

909
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 2: guy to like yes, it's like he's trying to sell

910
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 2: Amway to his child or some shit, and you're just

911
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 2: like this is fucking insane, and it just made me.

912
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,760
Speaker 2: It just made me thankful. Like the Jeffrey tamber character

913
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 2: being like the scary dad just made me thankful for

914
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 2: my dad, who was such a bata dude, Like he

915
00:52:56,280 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 2: was so non confrontational, like to this day does not

916
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 2: want to bring up anything that could be potentially like

917
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 2: a fight or could hurt somebody's feelings. He's such a

918
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 2: tender baby that I was like, thank god, my dad

919
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 2: was like that. My dad never once I mean, and

920
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 2: this again is getting personal. My dad never once rode

921
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 2: me about my weight. He never did. And he was

922
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 2: always like playing sports with me, and like he just

923
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 2: like he like totally just like was so cool with me.

924
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 2: My dad was always great about it. So it's like

925
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 2: when I watched that, I was like, holy fuck, the

926
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 2: dad is scary ast shit. Like yeah, and Jeffrey Tamper

927
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 2: is like tall and menacing, so yeah. But uh, other

928
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 2: than that, I mean, quick quick review of it, huh.

929
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,800
Speaker 2: Number one, I'm glad I watched it. I will always

930
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 2: be glad that I watched a movie I've never seen before.

931
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,879
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna throw that out there. Okay, So I'm

932
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 2: glad I watched it. I'm glad you know that it

933
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 2: was like a like a favorite in your household. I

934
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 2: can totally see why it was. I mean, all these

935
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 2: like Disney Camp movies are just anything like these are

936
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 2: tied to people's childhoods, and I totally get it.

937
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 1: I think this one in particular because it was such

938
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 1: a bomb. Yeah, and it seemed kind of darker and weirder.

939
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 1: It felt like we were kind of getting away with

940
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 1: something a little bit sure, like it's different than other

941
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 1: Disney movies, you know.

942
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it probably has a lot to do

943
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 2: with the people involved. I mean just the fact that

944
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 2: they had like people like Judd Apptow and Paul Figue

945
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 2: and you know, Ben Stiller involved. I think it it

946
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 2: almost was like an adult comedy that was made for

947
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 2: kids in some weird way.

948
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 1: Yeah.

949
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 2: I don't know what to think about it in terms

950
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 2: of being problematic. I mean, it definitely is.

951
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:50,959
Speaker 1: Yeah.

952
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,720
Speaker 2: I mean, like I said, I think because I feel

953
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 2: so good about like the topic of it that at

954
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:00,040
Speaker 2: this point in my life that I can like be

955
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 2: objective about it. But I can totally see like someone

956
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 2: feeling like shit about, you know.

957
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 1: Like it.

958
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 2: I can totally see it, and a younger version of

959
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 2: me would have I think.

960
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 1: So it's almost like problematic isn't the right word. I

961
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 1: feel like it's more insensitive. Is that maybe more of

962
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's it's not handling it quite.

963
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 2: Or is it like I don't want to use the

964
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 2: word taboo because it's like that's kind of too strong

965
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 2: of a word. Yeah, just like a topic that is

966
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 2: so loaded.

967
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:41,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, that it shouldn't really enter the comedy sphirit, particularly

968
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: a Disney comedy.

969
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, yeah, maybe that's what I think. Maybe

970
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 2: that's what I think, even though I enjoyed watching it.

971
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 2: So I don't know, what are you what are your

972
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 2: thoughts though? I want to know.

973
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I've seen this. It's hard. You know,

974
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 1: there's so many movies I sew when I was like

975
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:03,800
Speaker 1: this age that it's a little bit hard for me

976
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 1: to be objective in my review of it, just because

977
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 1: I enjoy it and I have such a nostalgia for it.

978
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 1: I you know, hearing your personal you know, difficulties with

979
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 1: you know, weight as a child and friends other friends

980
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: of mine who have talked about that, like I mentioned,

981
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:26,800
Speaker 1: just the the real trauma of going through weight programs

982
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 1: as a kid. You know, it makes it less fun

983
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 1: to watch a movie like this, Honestly, it does. I

984
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 1: think it feels meaner watching it right now. It's like

985
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 1: less lighthearted. But some of the joke I mean, I

986
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 1: still think this is like a really funny movie and

987
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 1: it kind of taps into that kind of hippie kind

988
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: of hippie culture kind of made a weird return in

989
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:56,839
Speaker 1: the nineties or like for some reason. And I feel

990
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 1: like this sort of taps into that a little bit.

991
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 1: And I kind of enjoy that about this movie as well.

992
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 1: And like a lot of these jokes we still say,

993
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:11,879
Speaker 1: like the character of Laws, Yeah, the counselor, like when

994
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 1: he's strapped to the tree and they're like, are you

995
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 1: with us or you against us?

996
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 2: And he's like, I am with you.

997
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 1: I love you.

998
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

999
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 1: And and I just love the you know, like the

1000
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 1: food orgy. Yeah, that was like, how could a kid

1001
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 1: not love that?

1002
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 2: I mean, I still love a six foot submarine sand

1003
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 2: which to this day. Yeah, so absolutely, I'll always a

1004
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 2: party sub comes I'm there.

1005
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 1: I want to carry it about my head like they

1006
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 1: do in the movie.

1007
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1008
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: Well, and I will.

1009
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 2: Say I feel like maybe a little bad that I

1010
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 2: was ragging on Ben Siller a little bit in this episode.

1011
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 1: Maybe not.

1012
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 2: I don't know, he can take it. You think he

1013
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 2: can take it.

1014
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 1: We were very kind to Ben Stiller.

1015
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, but I do love him.

1016
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 1: To see through his little tricks, his little tricks to

1017
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: get his abs on screen. We see you, Ben, and we.

1018
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 2: Know what you're doing. Man, I will say that I

1019
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 2: do love his the end of the movie where he

1020
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 2: comes out as this like, uh jewish grandpa character with

1021
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 2: the like man bag and the swishy suit and he's like.

1022
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 1: He's playing his dad. Tony purkis, well, we're gonna take

1023
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 1: a bath on this. He's done that character other times. Sure,

1024
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: so well, and his parents are both in this movie too,

1025
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 1: which is kind of fun.

1026
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.

1027
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: That's another line we always say, and just another word

1028
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 1: of advice. Don't let anyone.

1029
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 2: Sign your checks. Jerry Stiller is fucking funny as fuck,

1030
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 2: Like like I've always been like, that's a good family.

1031
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 2: I mean, as much as his family, as much as

1032
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 2: his son shows his abs that that family is all

1033
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 2: really funny.

1034
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 1: So and if I look like Ben, maybe I would

1035
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: insist during podcast recordings that it would be funny if

1036
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 1: I did it shirtless.

1037
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 2: Listen I say that too, and listen if I looked

1038
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 2: like like half as good as he did, I'd be

1039
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 2: It's like those times on Instagram when you want to

1040
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 2: post a selfie because you think you look cute, but

1041
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 2: you don't want to let you kind of like diffuse

1042
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 2: it or buffer it with like some like weird face

1043
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 2: or like yeah like or like some caption that's like

1044
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 2: me just you know me, I just eate twelve boxes

1045
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 2: of Oreos or something and you look hot or so

1046
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 2: you know, like something.

1047
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 1: Like my mirror is filthy.

1048
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. But it's like that's what Ben Stiller is in

1049
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 2: a nutshell, is that he's constantly taking the Instagram shirtless

1050
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 2: selfie and being like wow, like I'm just a goof.

1051
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of people do, like oh,

1052
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 1: I'm feeling sick today or like having a sick day,

1053
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 1: but it's like you really just think you look hot

1054
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 1: and I think I've done it.

1055
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 2: I've done it.

1056
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 1: What the fuck we've all done it. I feel like

1057
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 1: we've kind of gotten away from that, like just taking

1058
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 1: a selfie is more social acceptable. In the beginning of Instagram,

1059
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 1: it felt like we we had to give a reason

1060
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 1: for why we would do something, so you know, self

1061
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 1: indulgent and yeah.

1062
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like I'll just take a picture of myself

1063
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 2: and be like I have horrible bags that are my eyes.

1064
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 2: I'm like, actually, I think I look.

1065
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 1: Amazing, yeah, or that My favorite one is like I

1066
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 1: took this picture by accident or like one.

1067
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 2: Of those where it was like or just the emoji

1068
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 2: of the upside out smiley face like yeah, anyway, we

1069
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 2: love you, Ben, America loves you.

1070
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 1: Ben. I'm a big fan. I like seeing you at

1071
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 1: the next games. I think it's great. I believe you're

1072
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 1: a true fan. And uh, I like that you and

1073
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 1: Timothay are hanging out. I think it's cute. Yeah, all right,

1074
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 1: let's move on.

1075
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 2: Salute.

1076
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 1: All right, moving on to our next segment, which we're

1077
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 1: titling film regrets. Film regrets is, you know, it's an

1078
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 1: umbrella term for you regret an approach you took with

1079
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 1: a movie. Maybe you were like really like loved this

1080
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 1: movie and on retrospect it was bad, or you had

1081
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 1: previous thoughts about it. You're like, this movie's gonna suck,

1082
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 1: but it ended up being really good and you regret that,

1083
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 1: or you like said, you know, those are just a

1084
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 1: few examples, but like regrets to your approach to movie

1085
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: watching and being a movie fan, and you know, if

1086
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 1: you have any regrets, please write in Dear Movies at

1087
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 1: exactly rightmedia dot com. We'll share them with the world.

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01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 1: It can be anonymous if you want. But Milly, do

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Speaker 1: you have any film regrets you'd like to get off

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01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 1: your chest? This is kind of like a confessional too, Oh.

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01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 2: It is, Oh god, yeah, I feel like I just

1092
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:02,920
Speaker 2: opened up the little window and you're hear behind a gauze. Okay,

1093
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 2: so I'm gonna do can I do like both sides

1094
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 2: of the coin and I'll probably do whatever we want? Okay?

1095
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 2: So film like I have, my film regrets are like

1096
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 2: they're kind of like two sided. So there's the movies

1097
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 2: like you said that I didn't watch Forever because I

1098
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 2: thought I was too base to watch them, but then

1099
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 2: I when I did. When I did watch them, I

1100
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 2: was like, oh, these are actually enjoyable. And these movies

1101
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 2: are constantly like big rom coms, you know, the big

1102
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:34,920
Speaker 2: rom coms. Like one of my biggest ones is When

1103
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 2: Harry Met Sally. I remember when that movie came out

1104
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 2: and I was like, this seems like it's for like

1105
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:43,479
Speaker 2: weird Woody Ellen New Yorker people that like I don't

1106
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 2: get it and it's probably like too corny to live.

1107
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 2: But I've seen When Harry Mett Sally since many times

1108
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 2: and it's great. I actually think when When Harry Mett

1109
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 2: Sally is a great movie, undeniably, and then the same thing.

1110
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 2: I gotta say, I was a long hold out for

1111
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 2: this movie, but Titanic, like when I watched it for

1112
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 2: the for I saw what you did. Finally I was like, oh,

1113
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 2: this movie is enjoyable. What was I thinking?

1114
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 1: So there we go?

1115
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 2: Where's that now? The other side of the coin.

1116
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 1: I just want to say, this just brought up a memory.

1117
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 1: This is so random, but I remember being sixteen and

1118
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 1: at my friend's birthday party. And this was probably my

1119
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 1: artsiest friend in high school and it I remember her

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01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:34,960
Speaker 1: mom brought out a cake and it was like time

1121
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 1: for us to sing Happy Birthday, and I was I

1122
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 1: remember thinking, I was like this art crowd here, this

1123
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 1: based art crowd is not going to be able to

1124
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 1: sing happy Birthday. Like they just like won't do it.

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01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:49,920
Speaker 1: And I remember it was like the mom was came

1126
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 1: out and was like happy birth and everyone was like

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01:03:53,920 --> 01:04:00,240
Speaker 1: and like the whole party was like that. I was like,

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01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 1: this sucks show, But that's how it was. That's how

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01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 1: it was.

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01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 2: I mean, God blessed these like corny moms that had

1131
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 2: the had children that were like fucking into like nine

1132
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 2: inch nails and shit because it was a task. I

1133
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 2: had a friend like that too, was like basically he

1134
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 2: was like the weirdest most like goth industrial dude ever.

1135
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 2: But his mom was like on he haw or something

1136
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 2: like very like earnestly southern country lady. And I was like, damn,

1137
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 2: birthday parties are gonna be rough for that. So I

1138
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 2: hear you.

1139
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:39,480
Speaker 1: Anyways, just a memory that was unleashed. There, memories.

1140
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 2: So the other side of the coin, right, like the

1141
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 2: more interesting is the movies that I kind of felt

1142
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 2: like I liked and was like a big stand of

1143
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 2: at one point, and now I look at them and

1144
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 2: I'm like horrifying. Yeah, So now I mean I think,

1145
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 2: obviously the one with a bullet And I've said this before,

1146
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 2: pulp Fiction, like, oh my god, I was like so

1147
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 2: obsessed with pulp fiction when it came out and I

1148
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 2: watched it recently, it was like, God, damn this movie.

1149
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 2: The whole Tarantino section of like Jesus, like, this is

1150
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 2: not enjoyable for me at all anymore. It did not

1151
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 2: age well for me.

1152
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 1: The other it is hard with him in it, particularly

1153
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 1: with such a prominent role saying the N word oh

1154
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:32,720
Speaker 1: so much, and it's like, did you really have to

1155
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 1: do that?

1156
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 2: It's so indulgent. There were like I could we could

1157
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 2: do an entire episode of his indulgences that like his

1158
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:45,760
Speaker 2: whole like Australian accent work in Jango on Chanin. I

1159
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 2: was like, Jesus, dude, that could be its own film,

1160
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:54,280
Speaker 2: regret the entire thing. The other one of the other

1161
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:57,400
Speaker 2: things that I was a huge fan of when I

1162
01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 2: first started film school was Trauma. The Trauma movies.

1163
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 1: Sure, oh my god.

1164
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 2: I watched all the Trauma movies and was like all

1165
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:10,280
Speaker 2: my friends were really into them at the time, and

1166
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 2: I was.

1167
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 1: Like Toxic Avenger, Oh god.

1168
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 2: Starsha, Kabuki Man, fucking like rabid Grannies.

1169
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 1: Like, well, you don't like those movies anymore.

1170
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:23,440
Speaker 2: Class of newkemb High, which I actually think that might

1171
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 2: I should rewatch Class of newcomb Hie.

1172
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 1: I need to. I haven't like Tromeo and Juliet. I

1173
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 1: haven't seen a lot of these movies, but I'm very

1174
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 1: well aware of that.

1175
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 2: Well, for people who don't know Trauma was the is

1176
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 2: is continues to be this like you know, it's like

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01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 2: a production company. It's a film distribution company that's run

1178
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 2: by Lloyd Kaufman. It was this very charismatic, like classic

1179
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:51,240
Speaker 2: weirdo and he made all these like, you know, sort

1180
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 2: of exploitation weird horror comedy horror films, you know, but

1181
01:06:56,120 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 2: they were like when you're like a baby cinema file

1182
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:03,280
Speaker 2: slash exploitation head and you're like kind of dipping your

1183
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 2: toe into the world of like cult movies, you will

1184
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 2: be introduced to trauma. Like trauma is like very easy.

1185
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 2: It's like right in front of you on the shelf

1186
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 2: at the Blockbuster. And I thought they were so weird.

1187
01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and now I'm like, what the fuck You're like,

1188
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 1: this is my personality.

1189
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:28,280
Speaker 2: Like absolutely not not anymore. And then I mean, I

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01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 2: have more, but I'm going to keep it down to three.

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01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 1: Okay, this can be an ongoing segment because I've got.

1192
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:41,560
Speaker 2: So many confessions these Sorry, maybe we can play that.

1193
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. I love Usher, up, I love Usher. I loved

1194
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:49,680
Speaker 1: his halftime performance at the Super Bowl. I feel like

1195
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:52,680
Speaker 1: people weren't talking about it enough anyways, Okay, you.

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01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 2: And I see completely one hundred and seventy nine percent

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01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:58,600
Speaker 2: on ion Usher. Of course. I love Usher. I live

1198
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:03,600
Speaker 2: in Atlanta. Yes, and we could actually maybe do Usher

1199
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 2: movies because wasn't he in a top movies.

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01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 1: The UCU, the Usher Cinematic Universe put it in, put

1201
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 1: it in the spreadsheet right now?

1202
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:16,679
Speaker 2: Was I can't even remember which ones he was in.

1203
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 1: Uh, he's in the faculty, and he's in Cheese all that, that's.

1204
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:22,719
Speaker 2: Right, faculty, And I was trying to remember the other

1205
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 2: the comedy.

1206
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 1: Okay, total screen time combined of those those movies, I

1207
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:30,600
Speaker 1: would guess is seven minutes. But we could do what

1208
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 1: we could do.

1209
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:33,240
Speaker 2: We must, we must.

1210
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:36,759
Speaker 1: What the fuck did you wait? Did you know? Lloyd Kaufman,

1211
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:40,880
Speaker 1: the founder of Trauma Films, was the production manager on

1212
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:47,200
Speaker 1: Louis Mal's nineteen eighty one classic My Dinner with Andre. Wow,

1213
01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:48,080
Speaker 1: isn't that astounding?

1214
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 2: That is astounding? And then he just like pedaled trash

1215
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:53,800
Speaker 2: for the rest of his life, which is fine. It's

1216
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 2: fine to be a trash pedler. But so so let's

1217
01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:01,320
Speaker 2: find a But the last thing I will say is

1218
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 2: that the last selection for my film regret is every

1219
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:10,759
Speaker 2: Todds Salons movie after Welcome to the Dollhouse.

1220
01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:17,559
Speaker 1: Oh, even Happiness, especially happiness, Like I like happiness, but

1221
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:21,840
Speaker 1: it does pleasant. It's unpleasant and very unpleasant.

1222
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:25,000
Speaker 2: And that's it. It's not I don't have a problem

1223
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:27,280
Speaker 2: with the movies themselves in that I don't think it's

1224
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 2: not because I think they're bad. It's not that I

1225
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:32,280
Speaker 2: think that they're not, you know, acted well, or the

1226
01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 2: they're just it's too hard.

1227
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I totally get that. I think as you

1228
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 1: get older, you when you're younger, you're like, I have

1229
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:45,600
Speaker 1: to like this, like not just like appreciate it, but

1230
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:48,000
Speaker 1: like I have to like this, And as you get older,

1231
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:49,720
Speaker 1: you're like, I don't have to like this. I don't

1232
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:50,400
Speaker 1: have to watch this.

1233
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 2: You know, there's something I will say, There's something a

1234
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:57,120
Speaker 2: little bit lighter about Welcome to the Dollhouse. I think

1235
01:09:57,160 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 2: Welcome to the Dollhouse is another brilliant movie on like the

1236
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:04,720
Speaker 2: scale of like Ghost World, like completely gets it and

1237
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 2: nails like every nuance and I and I love that

1238
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:11,120
Speaker 2: movie one hundred and seventy nine percent. But the rest

1239
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:14,360
Speaker 2: of his philmography just gets so bleak, and I'm like,

1240
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:18,800
Speaker 2: I can't pretend to love watching these movies anymore. I

1241
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 2: just can't do it. But I respect him as a filmmaker.

1242
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:23,559
Speaker 2: He's great.

1243
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:28,040
Speaker 1: I sort of feel that way about Michael heineke Yes

1244
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:30,280
Speaker 1: films at a certain point, I'm like, I think I've

1245
01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 1: seen all of his movies, but if he came out

1246
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:34,000
Speaker 1: with another one, I'm like, I don't need to I

1247
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:35,000
Speaker 1: need to. I don't need to run up.

1248
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:39,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. Anyway, So that's mine. What are your

1249
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:40,360
Speaker 2: confessions film?

1250
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 1: So this is more this is not okay. So this

1251
01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:47,879
Speaker 1: is a little out of left field. But I've started

1252
01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 1: collecting VHS tapes sure which might be featured in something

1253
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:57,040
Speaker 1: we do in the future. But I was at a

1254
01:10:57,200 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 1: flea market up in Detroit Lakes Mine way up north,

1255
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:06,719
Speaker 1: and I bought Austin Powers International Man of Mystery on VHS. Okay,

1256
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:09,960
Speaker 1: and the guy I was buying it from goes can

1257
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:13,000
Speaker 1: I interest you in a full size cutout of Austin Powers?

1258
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:17,240
Speaker 1: And he has a full size Austin Power is like

1259
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:20,439
Speaker 1: him being like yeah, baby, and it's like full human

1260
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:25,320
Speaker 1: cardboard cutout. It was for fifty bucks and I looked

1261
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 1: at it and I thought, this, if I put this

1262
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:30,799
Speaker 1: in my basement, it's going to startle me every single day,

1263
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 1: much like you're a Lenda Lawn startles me in the

1264
01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:36,680
Speaker 1: background of your zoom when it makes an appear.

1265
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:39,160
Speaker 2: Exactly, so does anybody that stays the night of my house.

1266
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:43,680
Speaker 1: But yes, and so I said no, but I regret that.

1267
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:46,840
Speaker 1: I wish I'd bought that Austin Powers life size cut out.

1268
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 1: It would have been so fun. And it's like, how

1269
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:53,400
Speaker 1: where else could I find something like that, like except

1270
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:56,960
Speaker 1: at a flea market up in northern Minnesota. You know, Well, there's.

1271
01:11:56,760 --> 01:11:58,840
Speaker 2: Always going to be like the one that got away

1272
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 2: in this way, yeah.

1273
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 1: The one that got to wait truly.

1274
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:03,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1275
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:06,479
Speaker 1: And then kind of to your similar thing where you're

1276
01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:10,800
Speaker 1: talking about Todd Solan's movies, I sort of wish I

1277
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:14,880
Speaker 1: hadn't spent so much time so much of my film

1278
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:20,120
Speaker 1: youth only watching really painful art house movies and being like,

1279
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:23,280
Speaker 1: this is the only movie I like to watch, you know,

1280
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:29,840
Speaker 1: and in particular I like some of his movies now,

1281
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 1: but my world was totally filled with harmony, Krene I

1282
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:39,439
Speaker 1: was watching. I went and saw Trash Humpers in theaters

1283
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:42,360
Speaker 1: and was like, it's brilliant, best movie of the year.

1284
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 1: I saw Julian, you know, Julian Donkey Boy is really unpleasant,

1285
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:52,720
Speaker 1: you know, even Gummo, which I like Gummo, and I

1286
01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:58,240
Speaker 1: think it's an impressive film and really important. What a

1287
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:03,920
Speaker 1: what a really dark film to watch? You know, and

1288
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:07,479
Speaker 1: I might regret is that I spent so much time

1289
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:13,320
Speaker 1: watching movies like that, like all the time, and I

1290
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:15,400
Speaker 1: feel like I felt like, this is what being a

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Speaker 1: true film fan, yes, is, is watching these depraved, difficult, painful,

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01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:29,200
Speaker 1: unpleasant films. Yes, And that is not you don't That

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01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:31,960
Speaker 1: doesn't mean just because you don't like those movies doesn't

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01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:33,760
Speaker 1: make you a bad film fan. You know.

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01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:36,479
Speaker 2: I think that if we were to come up with

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01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:40,480
Speaker 2: the director's list of like who are the top directors

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01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:44,760
Speaker 2: for the shithead phase, which I feel like we need,

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01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:47,000
Speaker 2: we need to like trademark.

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01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:49,080
Speaker 1: The ultimate Shitthead Lists, the Shithead List.

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01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:51,719
Speaker 2: So this is again for people who are not familiar.

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01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:54,680
Speaker 2: This is like this constant running theme for Casey and

1302
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:58,639
Speaker 2: I when we talk about being young cinophiles who were

1303
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:04,880
Speaker 2: insufferable and only watch like extremely like challenging things, And

1304
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:07,120
Speaker 2: this is I think Harmony Kren has got to be

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01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:10,200
Speaker 2: like number one or number two on that list absolutely

1306
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 2: besides like Lars von Trier or it was the other one.

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01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:15,640
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, Lars von Trier is also on

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01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:17,679
Speaker 2: that list. I would put Todd Salons on that line.

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01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:18,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would.

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01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 2: I would too. I mean I'd even throw in a

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01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:26,200
Speaker 2: little Pasolini. Not gonna lie. But it's like the the

1312
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:32,080
Speaker 2: thing about Harmony Karen is like to me, you were

1313
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:35,960
Speaker 2: like basically like I'm an Edgeward by like watching all

1314
01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 2: of these Harmony Krenn movies, and I was too. I

1315
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:40,240
Speaker 2: mean I watched. I mean, I'm not gonna lie, dude,

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01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:45,439
Speaker 2: I bought I just bought Gummo on Blu ray on Criteria. Yeah,

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01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:47,200
Speaker 2: like because I had I think that's.

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01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:51,519
Speaker 1: The one in for That's the one I would watch again.

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01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I watched. I must have watched Gummo ten

1320
01:14:57,360 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 2: times with my friends, you know, those two like little

1321
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 2: kids in the junkyard saying the most disgusting things. We

1322
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:04,880
Speaker 2: real look obsessed with those kids.

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01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:10,160
Speaker 1: And but at the same time, you know, there were yeah,

1324
01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:13,599
Speaker 1: there was like stuff that I just couldn't watch. I

1325
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:15,840
Speaker 1: wanted to watch trash Humpers, and I was like, I

1326
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:18,639
Speaker 1: don't know, that is one of the most depraved trailers

1327
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:20,840
Speaker 1: I've ever seen in my life. I saw it in

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01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:28,320
Speaker 1: theaters and Harmony Kreen spoke afterwards. There was a uh

1329
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:31,759
Speaker 1: trash can outside that said please feel free to hump

1330
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:34,840
Speaker 1: so people were like going up and humping this trash

1331
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:35,320
Speaker 1: can mean?

1332
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:39,760
Speaker 2: Okay, now do I think God's brilliant? I gotta watch it.

1333
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:41,639
Speaker 2: I gotta finally watch trash Humpers.

1334
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:46,440
Speaker 1: For those who don't know, it's it's about like degenerate

1335
01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:48,559
Speaker 1: eighty year olds. What they're played by like young people

1336
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:51,400
Speaker 1: with old people makeup on and it's shot on a

1337
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:58,559
Speaker 1: VHS tape and it is violent and difficult to watch.

1338
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:02,600
Speaker 2: The VHS of it made it disgusting to me. Like

1339
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:05,519
Speaker 2: I remember seeing the trailer and just like this, like,

1340
01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:07,920
Speaker 2: you gotta watch trailer for trash Humpers. You'll understand what

1341
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:10,000
Speaker 2: I'm saying. But it was like, God, it felt like

1342
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:11,559
Speaker 2: I was watching a snuff movie.

1343
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:13,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, That's what it.

1344
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:15,080
Speaker 2: Was really like. And I was like, I don't know

1345
01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:17,920
Speaker 2: if I could watch trash Humpers, but I mean, I

1346
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:20,320
Speaker 2: will say that I saw spring Breakers and loved it.

1347
01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:25,200
Speaker 1: I I love spring Breakers too. That felt like he

1348
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 1: shifted a little.

1349
01:16:26,160 --> 01:16:29,160
Speaker 2: Bit, Yeah, that one, but that dare I say it

1350
01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:30,960
Speaker 2: was a little bit more whimsical than some of this.

1351
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:33,040
Speaker 1: It was a little bit more whimsical, had a little

1352
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:34,720
Speaker 1: bit more hope at the end because some of his

1353
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:36,799
Speaker 1: movies just like are bleak.

1354
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, although I will literally literally never get the image

1355
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:44,639
Speaker 2: of Gucci Mane from spring Breakers out of my head.

1356
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:49,759
Speaker 2: Sure like ones a particular scene to the point where

1357
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:53,839
Speaker 2: every time I see Gucci main like Gucci Maine performed

1358
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:56,720
Speaker 2: at the Hawks game that I was at once and

1359
01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:58,080
Speaker 2: I was like, I can't.

1360
01:16:57,880 --> 01:16:59,120
Speaker 1: He looks good. He's lost a lot.

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01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:01,439
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean maybe he went to Camp Hope.

1362
01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:07,200
Speaker 1: Who the fuck went to Camp Hope? But he his one.

1363
01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 2: Cameo in spring Breakers grossed me out so bad that

1364
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:14,080
Speaker 2: I can't. Yeah, and he's upsetting and he's mister z

1365
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:17,800
Speaker 2: Owe six. I live in Zone six, So I was like,

1366
01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:22,120
Speaker 2: how can I not, you know, appreciate my representative if

1367
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:24,200
Speaker 2: you're in Atlanta, if you know, you know this is

1368
01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:28,080
Speaker 2: an Atlanta thing. He's mister Zone six. I can't because

1369
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:30,280
Speaker 2: of spring Breakers. It just grossed me out too much.

1370
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I hear that it's gross. It's a very

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01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 1: icky movie. I remember going to spring Breakers and I

1372
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:40,480
Speaker 1: remember looking at the theater and it was like all

1373
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:44,559
Speaker 1: sixteen year old boys and I was like, oh, these

1374
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:47,840
Speaker 1: boys about to be very disappointed. I feel like they

1375
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:49,880
Speaker 1: thought they were gonna see a lot more, you know,

1376
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:51,599
Speaker 1: boobs and stuff.

1377
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 2: Oh, I went to see spring Breakers in the theater

1378
01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:58,320
Speaker 2: with my friendship Hope. We went to uh what is

1379
01:17:58,320 --> 01:17:59,920
Speaker 2: that this? We went to the movie theater at cent

1380
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:03,439
Speaker 2: Tree City Mall, Westfield Centry City and we went at

1381
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:06,320
Speaker 2: like nine pm or something like that on like o's.

1382
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:09,360
Speaker 1: A good movie theater yea, And uh, I.

1383
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:11,960
Speaker 2: Swear to god, it was like us and like machine

1384
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:14,759
Speaker 2: gun Kelly and his girlfriend. He was like some fucking

1385
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:19,480
Speaker 2: degenerate dude with like face tattoos and his girlfriend and uh,

1386
01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:22,679
Speaker 2: they left, but Chip and I stayed and we laughed

1387
01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:26,320
Speaker 2: so hard, like we were laughing so fucking hard, and

1388
01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:28,280
Speaker 2: we were the only people in the movie theater. And

1389
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:31,240
Speaker 2: I don't know why. I was just like tickled by

1390
01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:31,920
Speaker 2: spray Breakers.

1391
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:38,360
Speaker 1: But anyway, check out my shorts. All right, Well, Milly,

1392
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:42,200
Speaker 1: we got to move on, got to got to onto.

1393
01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 1: Employees picks film recommendations based on the theme of this discussion.

1394
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:47,880
Speaker 1: What do you got for us this week?

1395
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:50,840
Speaker 2: Well, I mean I would be remiss if I didn't.

1396
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:55,320
Speaker 2: I mean, I've mentioned Little Darlings. That's my personal favorite

1397
01:18:55,320 --> 01:19:00,439
Speaker 2: camp movie. Little Darlings starring Tatam O'Neill and Christie mc nicol.

1398
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:07,400
Speaker 2: Very great camp film from the early eighties. I'm trying

1399
01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 2: to not be completely obvious because I feel like telling

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01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:12,800
Speaker 2: people to watch True Beverly Hills. But everybody has seen

1401
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:13,920
Speaker 2: True Beverly Hills.

1402
01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:16,320
Speaker 1: It's a fun one though.

1403
01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:20,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know I'm gonna recommend this and you're gonna laugh.

1404
01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:25,080
Speaker 2: I think in this movie I saw in the movie theater. Actually,

1405
01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:26,920
Speaker 2: I did see this at I did see this in

1406
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:28,680
Speaker 2: a first run movie theater. I saw this at the

1407
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:32,240
Speaker 2: Dollar movie theater in my town, Blackwell Cinema. I went

1408
01:19:32,280 --> 01:19:36,479
Speaker 2: with my neighbors and it's a nineteen eighty seven American

1409
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:38,679
Speaker 2: comedy film called Ernest Goes to Camp.

1410
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:44,479
Speaker 1: I love this choice. I've seen this movie. I used

1411
01:19:44,479 --> 01:19:49,439
Speaker 1: to love the Earnest movies. Listen, this was maybe one

1412
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:54,040
Speaker 1: of the last ones that made it to the theaters. Yeah, possibly, yeah.

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01:19:54,280 --> 01:19:59,920
Speaker 2: I I feel like there has been sort of a

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01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:03,000
Speaker 2: examination about Jim Varney over the years, like people have

1415
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:06,479
Speaker 2: begun to kind of like maybe it's a pewee thing.

1416
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:09,040
Speaker 2: Maybe it's a pewee thing where people are like, what's

1417
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:12,040
Speaker 2: up with Ernest? Who is this earnest guy?

1418
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:12,360
Speaker 1: Who?

1419
01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:15,000
Speaker 2: What do we know about him? And I feel like

1420
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:19,519
Speaker 2: somebody on my Instagram pulled up some like really old

1421
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:22,640
Speaker 2: picture of him from the seventies and he looked unreal,

1422
01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:24,920
Speaker 2: Like he looked he had like feathered hair and he

1423
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:28,679
Speaker 2: was like super hot, and I was just like, that's Earnest.

1424
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:31,360
Speaker 2: There's and the thing about Ernest Goes to Camp is

1425
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:34,040
Speaker 2: that there's like there's actually kind of a lot tucked

1426
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:36,840
Speaker 2: into that story, which is really weird. Like I'm like, oh,

1427
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:40,000
Speaker 2: this is actually kind of a complex little story even

1428
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:41,839
Speaker 2: though there's just like buffoonery happening.

1429
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:44,880
Speaker 1: Yes, I have not seen that movie a long Oh.

1430
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:48,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's part of why I recommended it is because

1431
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:50,800
Speaker 2: I want to watch it again too. So I think

1432
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:55,160
Speaker 2: we should strap in and do you know some some

1433
01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:59,200
Speaker 2: reavowals of the Earnest cinematic universe the East.

1434
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:03,440
Speaker 1: I would love that. I my favorite Ernest was Ernest Halloween.

1435
01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:08,639
Speaker 1: Ernest Scared Stupid is what it's called? Um, and uh,

1436
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:10,760
Speaker 1: maybe we could do that in the month of October.

1437
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:12,840
Speaker 1: I don't know, just putting that out there, Hey, do

1438
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:15,240
Speaker 1: we needed it? We should dedicate an episode to Ernest.

1439
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:18,840
Speaker 2: We should. I would be so into that. How many

1440
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:21,479
Speaker 2: of them were there? There's probably like at least four.

1441
01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:25,040
Speaker 1: Right, I'd like to not cover Arnest Goes to Africa.

1442
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:27,120
Speaker 1: I haven't. I actually haven't seen that.

1443
01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:30,280
Speaker 2: Let's not do that. That feels very ominous.

1444
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:33,880
Speaker 1: I love this. I love this as a choice, thank you.

1445
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:38,600
Speaker 1: So my choice is, you know, sort of thinking about

1446
01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:44,920
Speaker 1: camp movies and also kind of reclaiming problematic old movies.

1447
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:49,560
Speaker 1: I'm going to recommend the nineteen eighty three horror classic

1448
01:21:50,479 --> 01:21:57,600
Speaker 1: sleep Away Camp. Now, this movie is absolutely out rageous.

1449
01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:00,680
Speaker 1: It is one of the most outraged just movies I've

1450
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:06,400
Speaker 1: ever seen. The dialogue is crazy, There's some wonderful lines.

1451
01:22:06,439 --> 01:22:09,479
Speaker 1: One of my favorites is of course, she's a real

1452
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:15,280
Speaker 1: carpenter's dream, flat as a board and needs a screw. Now,

1453
01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:20,160
Speaker 1: this movie is to say it's problematic is an understatement.

1454
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:26,920
Speaker 1: It is one of It is incredibly transphobic look through

1455
01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:32,120
Speaker 1: the lens. Objectively, it is transphobic. But in recent years

1456
01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:35,040
Speaker 1: it has been sort of reclaimed by the trans community.

1457
01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:37,880
Speaker 1: I have a lot of friends who trans friends who

1458
01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:42,160
Speaker 1: love this movie, and I would recommend some essays by

1459
01:22:43,080 --> 01:22:48,960
Speaker 1: the couple bj Colangelo and Harmony Colangelo in Bjay's article

1460
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:52,879
Speaker 1: going back to sleep Away Camp, revisiting revisiting the problematic classic.

1461
01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:58,040
Speaker 1: They say sleep Away Camp is terrible transgender representation, Yes,

1462
01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:02,000
Speaker 1: but it's an incredible metaphor about how forcing gender roles

1463
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:04,680
Speaker 1: onto someone that doesn't align with who they are is

1464
01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:09,680
Speaker 1: fucking dangerous. And then you can also read Harmony Colangelo's

1465
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:15,240
Speaker 1: article the transgender defense of Angela Baker in sleep Away Camp. Now,

1466
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:20,760
Speaker 1: I think that the reclamation and the reevaluation of previously

1467
01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:27,600
Speaker 1: hurtful or painful art to marginalize communities like the trans community.

1468
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:32,479
Speaker 1: I think that reclamation is kind of a beautiful act

1469
01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:38,400
Speaker 1: to be able to make something your own after it

1470
01:23:38,479 --> 01:23:42,000
Speaker 1: was used against you. And I think the reevaluation of

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01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:46,680
Speaker 1: this movie is very fascinating, and I think it does

1472
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:52,080
Speaker 1: elevate it to a higher maybe status than the filmmakers

1473
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:56,000
Speaker 1: originally intended. But if that's something you don't feel like

1474
01:23:56,080 --> 01:24:00,559
Speaker 1: engaging with intellectually or emotionally, like doing homework to watch

1475
01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:05,320
Speaker 1: a very silly, out of control movie, then I totally

1476
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:08,519
Speaker 1: understand if you don't want to engage with it in

1477
01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:12,640
Speaker 1: that way. But I'm I'm recommending this movie sort of

1478
01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:16,719
Speaker 1: through the lens of reclamation by the trans community because

1479
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:19,040
Speaker 1: I do sort of think that's kind of a beautiful

1480
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:22,720
Speaker 1: act in and of itself. But if you don't feel

1481
01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:24,519
Speaker 1: like doing a bunch of homework to watch this movie,

1482
01:24:24,520 --> 01:24:27,720
Speaker 1: I understand. But it is a fun, wacky movie and

1483
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:30,679
Speaker 1: in terms of camp classics, I do sort of hold

1484
01:24:30,720 --> 01:24:35,479
Speaker 1: it up high. So it's a fun party watch too,

1485
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:39,280
Speaker 1: like to watch with other people because it is truly wild.

1486
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:41,240
Speaker 1: It is a truly wild movie.

1487
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:49,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. So there was one movie that I we had

1488
01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:52,559
Speaker 2: planned on covering on I saw what You did that

1489
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:56,599
Speaker 2: I decided to pull back on in it a sleepway

1490
01:24:56,600 --> 01:25:00,479
Speaker 2: camp because I just did not feel like I was

1491
01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:03,640
Speaker 2: I should be having that conversation you know. There It

1492
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:05,559
Speaker 2: just felt like this moment where I was like, oh,

1493
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:08,400
Speaker 2: we were talking about something. I don't know, it was

1494
01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:11,120
Speaker 2: like horror movies or like some surprise endings or something

1495
01:25:11,160 --> 01:25:14,880
Speaker 2: like that. And I pitched it and we were gonna

1496
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:16,439
Speaker 2: it was on the schedule for a long time, and

1497
01:25:16,479 --> 01:25:18,160
Speaker 2: then like as it got closer, I was like, you

1498
01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:20,479
Speaker 2: know what, I don't know if I'm if I'm equipped

1499
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:21,960
Speaker 2: for this, Like I don't know if I can do this,

1500
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:25,360
Speaker 2: and I mean it just didn't feel like my place

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01:25:25,439 --> 01:25:28,360
Speaker 2: to have that discussion. So we just decided not to,

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01:25:28,479 --> 01:25:31,160
Speaker 2: but it's like, you know, as a movie, as like

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01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:35,120
Speaker 2: a text or whatever, it is like very interesting. And

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01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:38,400
Speaker 2: I do think it's interesting too that like, because I

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01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:43,160
Speaker 2: feel like the horror genre in particular is like it

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01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:45,760
Speaker 2: has this like it's like a there's like this sort

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01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:52,240
Speaker 2: of bandwidth for queer story and queer like I don't know,

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01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:56,439
Speaker 2: identification or sort of like like people have like I think,

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01:25:56,479 --> 01:25:58,479
Speaker 2: I would say more than any other genre than maybe

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01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:04,280
Speaker 2: like science fiction, that there's a spectrum of opinions on

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01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:07,040
Speaker 2: some of these movies as having queer tellings or like

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01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:09,400
Speaker 2: queer readings, and so I don't know, I mean, it's

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01:26:09,439 --> 01:26:13,479
Speaker 2: just interesting that a movie like that exists to have

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01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:15,760
Speaker 2: conversations in that way.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, absolutely, I think you should watch it and

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01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:24,599
Speaker 1: then you should read about it because there's so many

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01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:28,080
Speaker 1: conversations about it online and you know, yeah, there's a

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01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:33,120
Speaker 1: lot more knowledgeable academics and writers on this subject that

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01:26:33,320 --> 01:26:37,759
Speaker 1: talk about it, like the essays I said. But it's

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01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:43,720
Speaker 1: it also feels like Sleepway Camp was inspirational to wet

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01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:46,439
Speaker 1: hot American Summer. Yeah, it feels like kind of a

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01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:51,040
Speaker 1: one to one in some regards. Yeah, but yeah, so

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01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:56,400
Speaker 1: good pick check out Sleepway Camp nineteen eighty three. It's

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01:26:56,439 --> 01:27:00,519
Speaker 1: definitely worth watching if you don't want to delve into

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01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:03,599
Speaker 1: those waters. That's totally understandable too. Like we just said,

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01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:06,280
Speaker 1: you shouldn't watch movies that you feel are gonna make

1527
01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:09,759
Speaker 1: you uncomfortable, you know, like if you just because people

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01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:11,840
Speaker 1: tell you that you should, you know.

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01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:18,840
Speaker 2: So well, that's it, folks, that's it. Wed. Wow, another

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01:27:18,920 --> 01:27:21,599
Speaker 2: movie under my belt that I had never watched before.

1531
01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:23,759
Speaker 2: Another peak in a Casey's brain.

1532
01:27:25,479 --> 01:27:26,120
Speaker 1: What do we call you?

1533
01:27:26,160 --> 01:27:28,920
Speaker 2: What do we call you? Last episode? What was your

1534
01:27:29,200 --> 01:27:30,160
Speaker 2: southern nickname?

1535
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:31,839
Speaker 1: Cooter Beefer?

1536
01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:38,160
Speaker 2: A Beefer? I say, bride listen.

1537
01:27:38,200 --> 01:27:41,520
Speaker 1: I love getting Dusty to Jericho.

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01:27:41,439 --> 01:27:46,040
Speaker 2: Dusty, I I love anytime we get to you know,

1539
01:27:46,160 --> 01:27:48,360
Speaker 2: pick your brain apart, because you know, it's like I said,

1540
01:27:48,479 --> 01:27:51,800
Speaker 2: like I don't know different like children and like the

1541
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:55,639
Speaker 2: movies that they sometimes internalize and watch over and over

1542
01:27:55,640 --> 01:27:59,200
Speaker 2: and over again are very interesting. And uh yes, it's

1543
01:27:59,240 --> 01:27:59,960
Speaker 2: a nice little peak.

1544
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:04,240
Speaker 1: But well, thank you for watching it and going along

1545
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:04,840
Speaker 1: for the ride.

1546
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:05,479
Speaker 2: Of course.

1547
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:10,680
Speaker 1: All right, Well that's our show in the future. If

1548
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:12,720
Speaker 1: you want to write to us for film advice or

1549
01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:16,080
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1550
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:19,320
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1551
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1552
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1553
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Speaker 1: and please record in a quiet place.

1554
01:28:29,479 --> 01:28:32,639
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1555
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1557
01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:40,120
Speaker 2: at Mdcheriko.

1558
01:28:40,520 --> 01:28:42,400
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1559
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1560
01:28:46,720 --> 01:28:49,679
Speaker 1: and please rate and review. The show means a lot.

1561
01:28:49,960 --> 01:28:53,479
Speaker 2: It does mean a lot. So let's talk about next week.

1562
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:55,479
Speaker 2: We are not here next week.

1563
01:28:56,439 --> 01:28:59,040
Speaker 1: Do not look for us, for us, but the.

1564
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:01,639
Speaker 2: Week after, Casey, what are we doing?

1565
01:29:02,360 --> 01:29:06,799
Speaker 1: We're doing this is exciting. We're doing a movie called

1566
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:10,479
Speaker 1: Remember My Name from nineteen seventy eight, directed by the

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01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:16,320
Speaker 1: great Alan Rudolph, and the episode is going to include

1568
01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:21,840
Speaker 1: a conversation that Millie had with Alan Rudolph.

1569
01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:25,679
Speaker 2: I'm yeah, I'm really excited by this. My new best friend,

1570
01:29:25,720 --> 01:29:27,320
Speaker 2: Alan Rudolph. I don't know if you know that he

1571
01:29:27,360 --> 01:29:29,559
Speaker 2: and I are besties. Actually meet him and his wifes

1572
01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:34,120
Speaker 2: are textings. Oh his wife just texted me the other day. Really,

1573
01:29:34,360 --> 01:29:37,439
Speaker 2: oh yeah, because Alan doesn't have he doesn't like use

1574
01:29:37,479 --> 01:29:39,920
Speaker 2: social media or barely looks at his phone. So it's like,

1575
01:29:40,400 --> 01:29:44,240
Speaker 2: you know, being it's like his wife does all the communications. Sure,

1576
01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:46,439
Speaker 2: but when I get a text, I know it's from

1577
01:29:46,479 --> 01:29:48,960
Speaker 2: both of them, I think so. Or when I get

1578
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:50,920
Speaker 2: a text, I know it's from both of them for

1579
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:53,400
Speaker 2: the most part, But she just text me. She's like,

1580
01:29:53,439 --> 01:29:54,680
Speaker 2: how are you doing. I was like, oh my god,

1581
01:29:54,720 --> 01:29:58,240
Speaker 2: I love this. We're like friends. Now we've jumped the

1582
01:29:58,280 --> 01:30:00,439
Speaker 2: barrier to friends. If you're just po it in and

1583
01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:03,880
Speaker 2: checking in on me. Love this choice. So anyway, I

1584
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:05,320
Speaker 2: can't wait. I can't wait.

1585
01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:09,519
Speaker 1: Fabulous. Well, I'm about to take another crack at my

1586
01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:11,240
Speaker 1: screenplay Panny Raid.

1587
01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:14,760
Speaker 2: Good luck, Thanks everybody, We'll see you later.

1588
01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:17,200
Speaker 1: Bye bye.

1589
01:30:18,920 --> 01:30:22,120
Speaker 2: This has been an exactly right production, hosted by me

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01:30:22,520 --> 01:30:26,200
Speaker 2: Milli to Chercho and produced by my co host Casey O'Brien.

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01:30:26,360 --> 01:30:30,160
Speaker 1: This episode was mixed by Tom Bryfocal. Our associate producer

1592
01:30:30,200 --> 01:30:33,559
Speaker 1: is Christina Chamberlain, our guest booker is Patrick Cottner, and

1593
01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:35,519
Speaker 1: our artwork is by Vanessa Lilac.

1594
01:30:35,680 --> 01:30:38,560
Speaker 2: Our incredible theme music is by the best man in

1595
01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:40,480
Speaker 2: the entire world, The Softies.

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01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:44,680
Speaker 1: Thank you to our executive producers Karen Kilgareff, Georgia Hardstark,

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01:30:44,840 --> 01:30:48,160
Speaker 1: Daniel Kramer and Millie. To Jericho, we love you, Goodbye.