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This is Bloomberg Sound On with Kevin 9 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: Surrelate on Bloomberg and one oh five point seven F 10 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: M H D two t V or not to V. 11 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 1: That is the question, the full economic fallout regarding whether 12 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: or not we are headed for a V shaped recovery 13 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 1: and aftermath. And Tulsa, a tale of two narratives, depending 14 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: on which side you're on, tells you how you interpreted 15 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: that rally. On Saturday night, I'll give you the latest 16 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: from my conversations for inside of the President's re election campaign, 17 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: and we will check in with Bloomberg's White House reporter 18 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: Jordan's fab Um. Greg Brower also joins us. He's a 19 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 1: partner at Brownstein, Hyad Farber and track. He is the 20 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: co chair of the Government Investigations and White Collar Defense Practice. 21 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk all things about the Southern District of 22 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: New York u s Attorney after the prosecutor quits following 23 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 1: a standoff with the Attorney general. Watch with Brian Darling, 24 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: Republican insider, and Dr Lara Brown, director of the Graduate 25 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:41,639 Speaker 1: School of Political Management at George Washington University, and of course, 26 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: the author of the new book Amateur, Our Presidential Character 27 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: and the Question of Leadership. Did you see that rally 28 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: Saturday night? Did you see the rally? What did you think? 29 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: Did you think that it was a glass half empty 30 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: or a glass half full? Stadium? Of course, joining us 31 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: on the line to tell us what everyone is saying. 32 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: It was the talk of the town, really, and we're 33 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: gonna go beyond how many people were or were not 34 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: in the stands uh is Jordan Fabian. He is the 35 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: Bloomberg White House reporter. Jordan's what do you think of 36 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: the rally? Well, Kevin, you know, the the intended effect 37 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:20,799 Speaker 1: I think it was supposed to have didn't really deliver. 38 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: I didn't deliver that big punch of momentum. The president 39 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: wanted to get his campaign back on track here, and 40 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: that's why I think we're seeing sensing some real frustration 41 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: on behalf of the President's allies about how that event 42 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,519 Speaker 1: went on Saturday and asking questions about the direction of 43 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: the campaign moving forward. So okay, so what are you 44 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: hearing from your sources, because I mean, you can look 45 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 1: at this so many different ways, and I want to 46 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 1: dive into specifically what President Trump outlined in terms of 47 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: how he's going to contrast himself with Joe Biden, and 48 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: also the foreshadowing of the economic pitch that he's going 49 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: to make to Macomb County, which is one of the 50 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: battleground counties, because that's really what this is coming down 51 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: to in terms of independent voters. But why was he frustrated? 52 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: Was he frustrated because only six thousand two people showed 53 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: up to the rally? I gotta be honest, Joe Biden 54 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 1: has it had a six thousand person rally ever and 55 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 1: in in this cycle. Yeah, Kevin, I think that the 56 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: issue is that people I talked to her seeing is 57 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: that Brad Parscale, the President's campaign manager, is being accused 58 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 1: of overpromising and under delivering it. They were touting that 59 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: number of one million sign ups for that rally, and 60 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 1: it really seems hard to believe there were that many, 61 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: given how many people showed up both in the arena 62 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: and outside where the President had to cancel those uh 63 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: those overflow remarks. And then there was also the content 64 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: of the president's address. I mean, he spoke for an 65 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: hour and forty five minutes, but it was demanduring addressed 66 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: that it was hard to really identify what the central 67 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: theme of it was. And he was talking about the 68 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: internet commentary about how he drinks water and is walking 69 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: down the ramp at at West Point. And so I know, 70 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: these Trump rallies we just tend to uh you know 71 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: me enter at times, but this one I think was 72 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: alarmingly so for some people. And and I think Republicans 73 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: would really want to see some kind of message from 74 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: the President about why he deserves the second term articulated 75 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: directly to the voters. I mean, I hear you. I think, 76 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 1: having been to more Trump rallies than I can count, 77 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: I mean, that's the whole spiel that he does. It's 78 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,679 Speaker 1: a it's a show, you know, those types of of 79 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: of rallies I think in their part comedy act, part 80 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: policy pitch Part preview for the presidential debate six thousand, 81 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:34,919 Speaker 1: two hundred. That's the low ball estimate in terms of 82 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 1: the people that went Optically, you know, you've got half 83 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 1: the stadium that isn't there. I get it, I get it. However, again, 84 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: Joe Biden, how many people is he putting in? And 85 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: I just think it's a it's a it's a study. 86 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: In contrast, Fox News, by the way, says that the 87 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: viewership uh during the rally was seven point seven million. 88 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: Fox News had seven point seven million viewers there on 89 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: the rally. I spoke with the source on the campaign today, 90 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 1: uh this morning, and I said, look, you know, the 91 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: coverage not so good. And what they this source told 92 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: me was point blank, if you went into Tulsa outside 93 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: of the stadium, that the businesses on the ground boarded up, 94 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: the wooden boards, boarded up the shops at downtown Tulsa. 95 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: It's you know, folks here in Washington, d C. We've 96 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,239 Speaker 1: had the boards on the on the shops, the glass 97 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: shops forever. There's a lot of rumors that that it 98 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: was gonna turn testy in Tulsa, and they're saying that 99 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 1: discouraged people, all right, So what's next on the president's agenda. 100 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: Where's he going. He's going to Wisconsin in Arizona. Yeah, Kevin, 101 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: I'll be with him on the plane at the Arizona tomorrow. 102 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 1: He's going to go down to the border wall. That 103 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: should maybe provide some comfort to the president. Yeah, that's 104 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 1: the project he's talked about for a very long time. 105 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 1: He's they're commemorating the two hundred mile of the wall 106 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: being built, although a lot of that is rebuilding old wall. Uh, nonetheless, Cell, 107 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:55,919 Speaker 1: probably you celebrate that accomplishment. And he's also going to 108 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 1: Phoenix where he's going to speak to some young supporters 109 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: from of the group Turning Point USA. You know, those 110 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: groups are typically high energy events. I've attended some of 111 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 1: those in Florida, so maybe that will be the crowd 112 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: that the president really wants. So in terms of a 113 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: policy preview, the President did outline at one portion in 114 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: the in the speech about really the pitch that he's 115 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: gonna make to the swing voters who voted for Obama 116 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: and then voted for Trump, and he said, the economy 117 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 1: is going to be making such a comeback. The four 118 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 1: oh one ks are going to be doing so good 119 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 1: that you're not gonna want to take a chance and 120 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: vote for a Democrat in the White House. That is 121 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,919 Speaker 1: really the contours in terms of the economic pitch that 122 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: he's going to outline in the in the five months 123 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: leading up to November. And then in a contrast, he 124 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 1: also offered a preview of how he's going to debate 125 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: Joe Biden. I was struck by him saying, Uh, look, 126 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 1: Joe Biden, you've criticized me on race relations. You've had 127 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: decades to do this. Where were you? And you know, 128 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: I was looking back at some of the other debates, Jordan. 129 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 1: I mean they've Joe Biden had been so silent, and 130 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: there's a frustration amongst the president's re election campaign that 131 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 1: they can't seem to get or to abate Biden back 132 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: into public. Are you noticing that too, Yeah, yeah, of course. 133 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: And there was some wrangling today Kevin about the number 134 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: of debates and the Biden campaign and the Trump campaign 135 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: trade accusations about you know, who's being on fair here. 136 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: But it's an interesting dynamics because typically in the past, 137 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: you know, pass election, you you have the challenger clamoring 138 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: for debates and the incumbent maybe wanting to protect himself 139 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: and and limited a number of debates to protect the 140 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: advantage of the incumbency. But right now the president is 141 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: trailing Joe Biden by big margins both nationally and in 142 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: swing states, so he wants to get out there and 143 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: challenge and face to face, and he believes he's his 144 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: best passive victory perhaps is getting on national television mano 145 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: a mano with Joe Biden and and matching with Whether 146 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: that actually happens beyond the three debates that's traditionally occur 147 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: remains to be seen. But but it's it's just an 148 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: interesting flip from what we see typically in a year 149 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: when an incumbent president is running for reelection. It really is, 150 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: It really is quite remarkable, all right, Jordan Babyan, thanks 151 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: for checking in with us to break down was a 152 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: very very interesting week in a weekend in Tulsa, and 153 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: to preview the upcoming week as the president gets ready 154 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: to hit the road UH in Arizona and Wisconsin. Download 155 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: the Bloomberg Sound On podcast on Apple iTunes, at Bloomberg 156 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: dot com, or by downloading the Bloomberg Business App. You 157 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: can also find us on Radio dot com, I Heart 158 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: Radio and Spotify. Did you see this? At the Bloomberg 159 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: invest Global Virtual Event today, Steve Schwartzman, he is the 160 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 1: chief executive officer of Blackstone Group, Inc. Said that the 161 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: economy is likely to benefit from a V type recovery 162 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: in the next few months. He said at this Bloomberg 163 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 1: Invest Global Virtual Events quote, you will see a big 164 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: V in terms of economy going up for the next 165 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: few months because it's been closed and this of course 166 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: is now the expectation of the market. More. Next, I'm 167 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: Kevin Sirelli. You're listening to Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg's Sound 168 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: On with Kevin Surreley on Bloomberg and one oh five 169 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: point seven f M HD two. I'm Kevin Sirelli, chief 170 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television and for Bloomberg Radio. Did 171 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: you miss this? On Friday night? Jeffrey S. Berman, the 172 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: chief federal prosecutor in New York, resigned. Resigned after a 173 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: remarkables folks, I mean it really was a standoff with 174 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 1: Attorney General William Barr and the contradictory comments from President Trump. 175 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 1: I'm reading from my colleagues Eric Larson, Joe Schneider and 176 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: Christian Berthelson's reporting on the Bloomberg terminal Burman. Remember, Berman 177 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 1: was the one who said that he would fight to 178 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: keep his position to protect investigations being run by his 179 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: office in Manhattan. This after he was accused of resigning. 180 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: He said he didn't resign, and then he ultimately ended 181 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 1: up having to resign. He's going to be replaced by 182 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:15,439 Speaker 1: Deputy U S Attorney Audrey Strauss. But it's just like 183 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: this bevy of it's it's dizzy ng all right, and 184 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: and I haven't you know, I'm dizzy. I'm busy from 185 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: all of it. So we gotta bring in Greg Brower. 186 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,439 Speaker 1: Gregg is a partner at Brownstein High a Farber Shrek, 187 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: and he's the co chair of the Government Investigations in 188 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: White Collar Defense Practice. A little bit about Greg. He's uh, 189 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: the former or he's the Federal Agency Inspector General. He's 190 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: a senior FBI official, uh, And he's the Deputy General 191 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 1: Counsel at the f B. I Greg, you've got a 192 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:45,439 Speaker 1: heck of a resume. The Feds are coming on the 193 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: on the Bloomberg sound on show. Well, Kevin, it's great 194 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 1: to be with you, and perhaps most importantly for this conversation. 195 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:54,559 Speaker 1: I served as the U S Attorney in my home 196 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:58,079 Speaker 1: state of Nevada fact during the George W. Bush administration, 197 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 1: so it's you know, we're thrilled to have you on. Okay, 198 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: So what's going on here? Because I'm hearing a lot 199 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: of spin from the left and from the right. What's 200 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: going on? Just makes sense of it for us? Please? 201 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: I wish I could, Kevin, this is a hard one 202 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 1: to make sense of. I think that the bottom line, though, 203 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: is that whatever the White House and the Attorney General 204 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: were up to, it backfired, and uh, it simply isn't 205 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: going to work because we're left with the situation of 206 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: the the former U S Attorney, Interim USE Attorney, Jeff Berman, 207 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: is out, but he's been replaced by the senior career 208 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: official in the office, Mrs Scrousse, as you mentioned, which 209 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: is not certainly something that the White House or the 210 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: a G would want, given the fact that she is 211 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: not a political appointee, presumably has no relationship with the 212 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: President or the a G. She's just a the real deal, 213 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: if you will, and assistant U S Attorney who is 214 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: going to simply follow the law and the facts wherever 215 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: they lead her and not pull any punches. And and 216 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: it would appear that the presumptive replacement for Mr Burman, 217 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: current SEC Chairman Clayton, is also not likely to actually 218 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: be confirmed because Senator Graham, who chairs the Senate Judiciary Committee, 219 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: has said that he's not going to push through any 220 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: nominee that the senators from New York don't agree with. 221 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:26,319 Speaker 1: And I can't believe that Senator Schumer or Senator Jill 222 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 1: Brand will ever agree with Clayton as a nominee. And 223 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 1: so it's really been another sort of embarrassing effort on 224 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: the part of the White House and d j uh 225 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: And at least in this case, they're not even going 226 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: to realize their goal, which is to replace Mr Burman 227 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 1: by a prosecutor of their choice. Okay, so there's so 228 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: much to unpackage here, especially you know, for folks who 229 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: are who have been keeping tabs on a host of 230 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:54,719 Speaker 1: other different stories while also navigating through the pandemic and 231 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: everything else has been going on, especially here in Washington, 232 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,199 Speaker 1: d C. I want to start with Jay Clayton. He is, 233 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: of course the chairman of the STC, and that's who 234 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: Trump wanted, the President wanted. So what's the backstory, Why, 235 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 1: why why did that filop And what would cause Lindsey Graham, 236 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: who was a staunch ally of the president on on 237 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,719 Speaker 1: most other issues, what would cause him to go against 238 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: president on this issue. Well, I think what's going on 239 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: here is a simple case of the White Houses and 240 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: the e g s failure to kind of bring Lindsey 241 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: Grahmy in on the joke. Right. They apparently didn't bother 242 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 1: to tell them of this plan, and so he didn't 243 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: know anything about it, didn't know what he was supposed 244 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:46,959 Speaker 1: to say or do, and so he just kind of, uh, 245 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: in a fit of candor and a tradition, said well, 246 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: I'm not going to uh push through a nominee without 247 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: following the blue slip tradition, which is your listeners may know, 248 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: is the tradition that allows typically for judicial nominees, allows 249 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:10,079 Speaker 1: the home state senators to ineffect withhold their approval, this 250 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: killing the nomination. And so he's now on the record 251 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: is saying that he's not going to force the nomination 252 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: for the committee without the approval of the two senators 253 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: from New York. And so it's hard to believe that 254 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: this nomination would go through, uh mostly not not just 255 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: because of the blue slip privilege that each of those 256 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: senators enjoys, but because Mr Clayton, for for all of 257 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: his experience and expertise as a corporate lawyer, is apparently 258 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 1: someone who has never been a litigator, who has never 259 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: appeared in court on behalf of clients, is not a 260 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: veteran of that office, has never served in d o J. 261 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: And so again, he may be a very fine corporate lawyer, 262 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: but he doesn't fit the typical mold for the U. 263 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: S Attorney position, particularly in this district. And so it 264 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: just doesn't seem like the Senate will approve Greg Browers 265 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: on the line. He is a partner at Brownstein Hyatt 266 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: Farber Shrek and he has also, of course the co 267 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: chair of the Government Investigations of white collar defense practice 268 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: at that firm. I want to ask you about more 269 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: congressional response, because over the weekend there was also reports 270 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: of bipartisan legislation, bipartisan legislation that would make it more 271 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: difficult for a president to do this. Can you tell 272 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: us anything in terms of how Congress might act to 273 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: prevent this type of situation that the president has done 274 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: from happening. Again, Well, that's a tough one, Kevin, because 275 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: as as much as the White House and d o 276 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: J created a situation here that is causing many on 277 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: Capitol Hill to question their motives, the reality is that 278 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: U S Attorneys do serve at the pleasure of the president, 279 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: and so the president constitutionally has the power to remove 280 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: U S attorneys for any reason at any time. It's 281 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: hard to imagine Congress changing that because the Constitution essentially 282 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: provides that power. So I don't know what Congress can 283 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: really do here. But what the administration can do going forward, obviously, 284 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: is that if it wants to change out a U 285 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: S attorney, the President simply needs to announce that that 286 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: person has been removed, and he can then submit a 287 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: nominee to the Senate for a replacement. It's actually a 288 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: very simple thing, and it's something that the president absolutely 289 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: has the power to do. They just sort of botched 290 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: it in this case. It really is remarkable. It really, 291 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: truthfully is absolutely remarkable. All Right. I want to thank 292 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: I want to thank you a Greg Brower. He is 293 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: the partner at Brownstein Hyatt Farber Strek and he has 294 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: the co chair of their Government Investigations and White Collar 295 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: Defense practice for coming on to make sense of all 296 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: of that. And remember, you can download the Bloomberg On 297 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: podcast on appalatians at Blomberg dot comer by downloading the 298 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: Blomberg Business app. Coming up, we check in with Brian Darling, 299 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,640 Speaker 1: Republican Strategists. You don't want to miss that. I'm Kevin Curreli, 300 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: Chief Washington correspondent to Bloomberg TV and Radio, and you're 301 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 1: listening to Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg Sound On with Kevin 302 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 1: Surreley on Bloomberg and on all five point seven f 303 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: M HD two sooneh the Delco this weekend. You know, 304 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: I see my dad, Happy Father's Day. My godson Pete 305 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:34,199 Speaker 1: turns four this week, the Big Four it's gonna be 306 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: a whole hand soon. And my sister's birthday. And you 307 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: know we have all this cake. We have all this cake, 308 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: all these Eminem's sugar. You know I love it. Canny 309 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: enough whipped cream, you know the kids love whipped cream. 310 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: And we see a mouse. Let me tell you something, folks, 311 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 1: I like to think my family is pretty tough. This 312 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 1: little mouse the size of like not even the size 313 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 1: of our hand, cause such an uproar running around the kitchen. 314 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:01,919 Speaker 1: You wuld have thought it was I don't even know, 315 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,639 Speaker 1: but it was eating everything. I mean, you give him 316 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: mouse a cookie of Kevin CURIALI chief Washington correspondent from 317 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Television and for Bloomberg Radio. You know, I wanted 318 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: to record that into the Bloomberg sound on system. Brian 319 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,959 Speaker 1: Darling's on the line. He's a Republican strategies Brian. Did 320 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 1: you ever have to catch a mouse? What did the 321 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: kids say when they see a mice? A mouse? Mice? 322 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: Mouse when they see a When I lived in Boston, 323 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: we had mice and and we had bigger versions of mice, 324 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: also known as rath. How was your father's day? Do 325 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: you have a good one? Very relaxing. I went to 326 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 1: actually went away to the beach last week, so I 327 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 1: came back. Which shot do you go to? I went 328 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,199 Speaker 1: to Bethany Beach in Delaware. Fun Okay, So people down 329 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: here to Delaware see where I grew up. We did 330 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: the Jersey Shore. We didn't have a house, but we 331 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: were always My mom loves Kate May. But anyway, saltwater 332 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: Taffy's I missing our salt water Taffyes, I guess I 333 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: should say Okay, Brian, he's a friend of the program. 334 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: He is is former senior communications director to Senator Rand 335 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: Paul and the founder of Liberty Government Affairs. I got 336 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 1: to talk to you about the book because Bolton says 337 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 1: that Senator Rand Ball prevented John Bolton from getting the 338 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: Secretary of State gig. Huh did Rand Paul ever tell 339 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 1: you that? Well, I'm very happy that that happened. I mean, 340 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: Rand Paul was very much opposed to John Bolton being 341 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: Secretary of State or being at all in the Trump administration, 342 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: and he was proven right. He saved us from a 343 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: bigger disaster than we had. So you know, you gotta 344 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: remember John Bolton actually sent up a super pac to 345 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 1: take down Rand Paul when he ran for president. And 346 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: John Bolton himself had visions of being president some day. 347 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: I mean he he had talked about the possibility of running. 348 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: So this is a guy who really he didn't belong 349 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: in the Trump administration. He shared zero of the views 350 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: of President Donald Trump. So I just don't understand why 351 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: Trump hired him in the first place. And I'm very 352 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 1: happen to see him gone. Well, did you see Axios 353 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: with Mike Allen? What Mike Allen was reporting today on 354 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 1: Axios with um Sarah Sanders, Sarah Huckabee Sanders reporting her 355 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: books coming out. So her books coming out in the fall. Uh, 356 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: and it's it's called Speaking for Myself by Sarah Sanders, 357 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 1: and she released an excerpt to Axios and then she 358 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 1: tweeted about it. Which was Mick Mulvaney, the President's former 359 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 1: chief of staff, the CFP CFPB director. We had him 360 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 1: on the program I think like a week and a 361 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 1: half ago. Mick Mulvaney told off John Bolton when they 362 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: were on an overseas trip. He said saying, and Mick 363 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: Mulvaney doesn't really curse, and he said some words according 364 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 1: to Sarah Sanders that I can't repeat on the Bloomberg 365 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: sound on radio show. But there was it looks like 366 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: John Bolton was a bit of a controversial figure in 367 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,360 Speaker 1: side of the White House, but a lot of national 368 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,959 Speaker 1: intrigue because the ratings with that fascinating and Martha ratit's 369 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 1: of the best in the biz. On ABC News interviewed him. 370 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: I think it was the first interview over the over 371 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 1: the weekend last night it aired, and just the ratings 372 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 1: for that with through the roof Brian Darling, Yeah, I 373 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 1: know that. In Sarah be Sanders book, I mean, she's 374 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: it was reported that she's going to discuss he was 375 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,719 Speaker 1: very aloof and he basically kept himself isolated from the 376 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 1: rest of the the Trump team, which shows that he 377 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: probably had plans to write this book a long time ago. 378 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously the revelations are, um, you know, very 379 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,120 Speaker 1: interesting to read, and it's a lot of palace intrigue 380 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: and you know a lot of controversial stuff that makes 381 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,959 Speaker 1: most Americans a little bit uncomfortable. But ultimately, if you're 382 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: a Trump supporter like I am, you look at this 383 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 1: and say, I liked the policies of President Trump, and 384 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,199 Speaker 1: I'm not going to get all wrapped up and in 385 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: a lot of these side issues, and you know the 386 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 1: way he talks to foreign leaders. I care more about 387 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: tax cuts and getting good justices on the Supreme Court, 388 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: and reducing regulation and having better trade policies. You know that, 389 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: And that's what I want to talk about because because 390 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: the frustration amongst the sources that I've talked with on 391 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: the Trump campaign is that they can't seem to get 392 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: Joe Biden out in public, and that Biden is continuing 393 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: to really just keep a low profile, which they say, 394 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 1: what's Biden World says, why would we go out? I mean, 395 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,880 Speaker 1: I mean everything is you know, you've got Bolton with 396 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 1: millions of viewers tuning into that, You've got the president 397 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: and the latest news cycle, and then before that the 398 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 1: racial unrest. I mean, why is that a problem? I mean, 399 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 1: are you is this? How are you going to get 400 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: Biden out there on the campaign trail or do you 401 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: think eventually his time will come? Well, I think it's 402 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: time will come. But it is a smart strategy to basically, 403 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: you know, lock Joe Biden in the basement somewhere and 404 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: not let him out in the campaign trail because we're 405 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: seeing Republican on republican political violence right now and that 406 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: helps Joe Biden and you know, the pole. I don't 407 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 1: know how much I believe all of the polling, but 408 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 1: the polling does take the temperature of the American people 409 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: right now, and it shows that Trump's not doing great. 410 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: I mean, he's not having a good summer. Things are 411 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: not going in the right direction form, He's not doing 412 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: great swing states. I mean, things can change very quickly, 413 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: but it's smart to just keep them out, you know, 414 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,439 Speaker 1: away from cameras and away from the public. The problem 415 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 1: is you can't avoid it forever. There are going to 416 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 1: be debates. There are going to be opportunities for Joe 417 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: Biden to make speeches at whatever we you know, whatever 418 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 1: happens at a convention, whatever that turns out to be. 419 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: I mean, there'll be numerous opportunities for them to have it, 420 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: have it out head to head, and to give speeches. 421 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: So there will be an opportunity to confront Joe Biden. 422 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 1: It's just not going to happen now, Okay. So you 423 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 1: and in terms of the down ballot races, you were 424 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: quoted in the Epic Times, uh, and you actually have 425 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,640 Speaker 1: a contrarian view. So what the word around this town is, 426 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 1: which is that Democrats are polls to have some big 427 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 1: gains in the House and in the Senate. And in fact, 428 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 1: I was looking at the Teresa Greenfield. She's the Democratic 429 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: challenger to Senator John Earns. She's going to be on 430 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: our show by the end of the week. Republican from Iowa, 431 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 1: and that pole in Iowa, a state that the President 432 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 1: carried by like nine or six and nine percentage points 433 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,640 Speaker 1: in the sen and she was able to carry significantly. 434 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: The Des Moines Register has a poll that has earned 435 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 1: trailing Greenfield by three percentage points, which is remarkable because 436 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 1: Iowa traditionally has been such a Republican stronghold and hasn't 437 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: voted for a Democrat since two thousand twelve with former 438 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: President Barack Obama. So, Brian, I mean, but you're saying 439 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: that because Trump's back on the ballot, you actually think 440 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 1: that's going to help Republicans, unlike in the mid terms 441 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: when he wasn't on the ballot. Uh, when Democrats were 442 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: able to pick up seats. Yeah, ex me. My analysis 443 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 1: is that in one sense, Donald Trump is very much 444 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: like Obama in the sense that when his aima is 445 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: on the ballot, the supporters come out and they really 446 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: helped the down ballot races. So if you're Democrats in 447 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: the House, you've got thirty one House Democrats sitting in 448 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: seats at Trump carried, they there's an incentive for Nancy 449 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: Pelos to keep them not in session very much in 450 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: the fall, to get them back home to try and 451 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 1: save a bunch of those seats. Whereas in the Senate 452 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:22,640 Speaker 1: it might be a little bit different because you've got 453 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: Republicans defending a bunch of seats that look like they're 454 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: in swing states. So it's going to be interesting. But 455 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: I presume right now we're looking at a situation where 456 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: Republicans pick up some seats in the House, no matter 457 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: what happens at the top of the ticket, And if 458 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: things go south for Republicans, they lose the Senate and 459 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: they lose the presidency, but still the houses, you still 460 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 1: would have a situation where House seats Republicans who pick 461 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 1: up a bunch of seats in the House, all right, 462 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:49,919 Speaker 1: we'll give us your land of the land. I mean, 463 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 1: I don't want to ask you to predict, but what 464 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 1: does what does Trump have to do to turn it around? 465 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: Or does he not have to do anything? Do you 466 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: think it's just a misinterpretation by what we're seeing in 467 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: the press. I mean, I think every race we see 468 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 1: a tightening up of polls as we get close through 469 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,199 Speaker 1: election day. So I think this race will get a 470 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: lot closer when people get more focused on the race. 471 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously this is one of the years where 472 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 1: there are even more things that are keeping people from 473 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: focusing on what they're gonna do in the fall. I 474 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 1: mean we've got massive, um, you know, protests throughout the nation. 475 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 1: We've got a coronavirus that's disrupting everybody's lives. The economies 476 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: in a horrible place. So people are going to really 477 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: make their decisions probably late, very late. And so the 478 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: polling now, I don't think it's an indication of where 479 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: people are going to be in the fall, but they 480 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 1: do show a little bit of trouble and head wins 481 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 1: for President Trump. Um, and he's gonna have to We're 482 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 1: gonna have to see some things turned his way for 483 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:48,120 Speaker 1: this to turn around. All right, Brian, appreciate you coming on, 484 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 1: Brian Darling everybody. Brian is a Republican strategist and the 485 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,199 Speaker 1: founder of Liberty Government Affairs More. Next, IM Kevin Cirelli, 486 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: Chief Watching the correspondent with Womber TV and Radio. You're 487 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:07,199 Speaker 1: listening with Womber, You're listening to Bloomberg Sound On with 488 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:11,400 Speaker 1: Kevin Currel on Bloomberg and one oh five point seven 489 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: F M H D two. I'm Kevin Sirelian, the chief 490 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 1: Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television and for Bloomberg Radio. And 491 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 1: I listened to a lot of music, all different types 492 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,439 Speaker 1: of music from Sinatra to the Chain Smokers. You know, 493 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 1: I just I love good music. I love you too. 494 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: And I was struck when I was reading the Wall 495 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,400 Speaker 1: Street Journal over the weekend. Did you see this Peggy 496 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,679 Speaker 1: Noon in She had a column on Bob Dylan and 497 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,199 Speaker 1: she it's an amazing column. Go check it out. It 498 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: was published over the weekend. Peggy Noon and Bob Dylan 499 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 1: a genius among us. She writes, quote, there are two 500 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 1: things you have to do if you have a if 501 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,679 Speaker 1: you have big ambitions and want to create something important 502 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 1: that lasts. The first is the daily work and trying 503 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 1: to keep it at a height that satisfies you. That's hard, 504 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: if you succeed. The second is dealing with the effects 505 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 1: of the work and managing a career. That's tricky. It 506 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 1: involves making big, real time decisions about pathways and ways 507 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: of being. And you have to figure out if an 508 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 1: opportunity is a true opening or an easy way out, 509 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 1: if a desire for security has the potential to become 510 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,120 Speaker 1: a betrayal of yourself and the thing God gave you, 511 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: your gift and Mr Dylan, Bob Dylan seems to have 512 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: handled all of this by following to an almost radical 513 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:37,159 Speaker 1: degree that dictates of his essential nature and talent and 514 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: doing the work that he envisions it day today. My 515 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 1: next guest has studied all of this, not necessarily Bob Dylan, 516 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: maybe she has, but has studied leadership in the and 517 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: then the issue of presidential character is actually the subject 518 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: of her new book, Amateur, Our Presidential Character and the 519 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: Question of Leadership. Her name is Dr Lara Brown. She 520 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 1: is the director of the Graduate School of Political Management 521 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: at George Washington University. Dr Brown, how are you welcome 522 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: back to the show. Do you like Bob? I love 523 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: Bob Dylan. I will tell you that Jokerman is one 524 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 1: of my favorite songs, and in fact, that song is 525 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: really about sort of the trickster, which is some of 526 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 1: what politics is about. So interestingly enough, the to go 527 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: hand in hand, and Bob Dylan was the first songwriter 528 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 1: to win the Nobel Prize for Literature back in two 529 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: thousand and sixteen. So the last time Dr Brownie were on, 530 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: we talked about President Trump and I want to get 531 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: your take on on the Tulsas stuff for speech from 532 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 1: over the weekend. But I do want to offer a 533 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 1: little bit of of your thoughts on Dr Fauci because 534 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: he has been making headlines. He's going to testify in 535 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: the House of Representatives tomorrow and according to the testimony 536 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: that was just released earlier today, he's saying that there 537 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: is going to be a quote unquote tremendous burden come 538 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 1: the fall because of the lou and the potential for 539 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen to hit as a double whammy in the fall. 540 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: When you look at Dr Fauci, who has weighed in 541 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:11,479 Speaker 1: now on everything from health of the everyday American family 542 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,479 Speaker 1: to the prospects of an NFL season, how would you 543 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: size up Dr Fauci in this political climate. Well, I 544 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: think he is doing everything he can to maintain his 545 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 1: credibility and at the same time pushed this administration toward 546 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: sort of reasonable and rational expectations. I think the difficulty 547 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: for him is that you have a president and a 548 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: Republican party that is not much interested um in public 549 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: health concerns as much as they are economic concerns or 550 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: even their political ones. When you think about staging of 551 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: a national convention in August, and all of this is 552 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 1: coming as the number of new cases around the globe 553 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 1: has reached a record. If you look at Florida, for example, 554 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: that new infections rose to another high in Texas government 555 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 1: Texas is everywhere today. Texas Governor Greg Abbott said that 556 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: the contagion is accelerating at a quote unquote unacceptable rate. 557 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 1: Uh it is just skyrocketed, you know, ten enormously uh 558 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: in in Texas. And and Frank Luntz Dr Brown, who 559 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: is a prominent Republican poster, he actually tweeted out something 560 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 1: today on the issue of the politicization of many of 561 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 1: the issues that you were just talking about, and that's 562 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: on the issue of masks. He said they should be 563 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: about as controversial as seatbelts. And even so, even as 564 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 1: the political coverage and the Twitter twitter verse around the 565 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 1: President's public appearances this week, there is that backdrop of 566 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 1: whether or not there's going to be masks and how 567 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: various different things are going to be handled. So from 568 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: the lens of President Trump, how would you size up 569 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: how that has communicated not to the base, not to progressives, 570 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: but to independent voters who are going to decide this 571 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: upcoming presidential election. Well, I think the problem is for 572 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: most Americans is that there's been a very mixed messages 573 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 1: out of this White House and in this administration, there 574 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 1: was a sense that first the coronavirus wasn't going to 575 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 1: amount to anything, that it was originally going to just disappear. 576 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: Then we had the Coronavirus Task Force briefings, which were 577 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 1: these daily briefings with their updates, and there was a 578 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: sense of seriousness about it. And then when there was 579 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 1: this fear that the economy may not recover from where 580 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: we are, it became about, well, let's put that in 581 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 1: the in the back and pretend as though these cases 582 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: are not rising in hospitalizations, are not there, and this 583 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 1: is really a state problem now. So we've had a 584 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,479 Speaker 1: lot of mixed messages, and I think part of the 585 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 1: frustration and why you see the president's poll numbers dropping 586 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 1: is that Americans are tired of the uncertainty and they're 587 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 1: tired of the sense of chaos that this administration stokes. 588 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 1: It really is tired, is the right word for it. 589 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 1: I mean, it's not just a proverbial UH way to 590 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 1: talk in this sense. I think the polls do suggest, 591 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 1: amongst independence, they're just exhausted from the from the from 592 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: everything that has gone on UH in the past three 593 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: months in this country. I call it COVID brain. You know, 594 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 1: I took my mom shopping over the weekend and we 595 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: were going, you know, it was the first time we've 596 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 1: been out to like a shopping mall to just reopened 597 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 1: in Philadelphia, and Dr Brown, I gotta tell you, I said, 598 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 1: I don't even know how to act in them all. 599 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I mean, everything is just 600 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 1: slowly reopening. Dr Lara Brown is on the line. She 601 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: is the director of the Graduate School of Political Management 602 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: at George Washington University. She's also the author of the 603 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: new book Amateur, Our Presidential Character and the Question of Leadership. 604 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: Let me ask you, is it a mistake for former 605 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 1: Vice President Joe Biden to not be out there as 606 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 1: publicly as many in the democratic strategic circles are a 607 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 1: little bit worried about that he's not out there as much. No, 608 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: I don't think so. Look when you are dealing with 609 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 1: an incumbent reelection and you are looking at the poll 610 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,879 Speaker 1: numbers which show that Americans are seeing this as a referendum, 611 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: and the only question they're asking themselves is does President 612 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 1: Trump deserve four more years or not? The last thing 613 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 1: you want to do is raise your profile and make 614 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 1: this a choice election. Right now, Vice President Biden is 615 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 1: running at about what a generic Democrat would run, and 616 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 1: I would argue that he should stay there as long 617 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,240 Speaker 1: as he can. Wow. But do you think it's a risk, 618 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 1: Because because when I was watching the Tulsa speech on 619 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 1: Saturday night, Dr Brown, I thought, Okay, that's exactly what 620 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 1: he's going to say to the former vice president on 621 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 1: a debate stage. And if you think back to the 622 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 1: debates in the Democrat primary, Biden struggled in many of 623 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 1: those debates. But I think we'll be in a different 624 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 1: place by the time the debates are all around. I mean, 625 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,319 Speaker 1: the Vice president has committed to doing three debates, um, 626 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 1: so he is there with the Presidential Debate Commission. I 627 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,920 Speaker 1: would also say that this moment in time, this summer 628 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 1: is a traditional lull in the campaigns between the nomination 629 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: phase and the national conventions. So it is true that 630 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,799 Speaker 1: most candidates right now are focusing on putting together a 631 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 1: strong plan for the fall and raising money, and they 632 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 1: are not necessarily barnstorming the country. Um. That is something 633 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,279 Speaker 1: that usually waits until we get closer to Labor Day. 634 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 1: All right, and my final question, if you had to 635 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,959 Speaker 1: pick a song for the for Tulsa. What what Bob 636 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: Dylan song would you pick? I'm putting you on the spot. 637 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 1: Oh that's horrible, you know, I don't know. UM, I 638 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 1: will just say this that I think what we saw 639 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 1: in Tulsa was something of kind of the air being 640 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 1: let out of the balloon. Um. There was a lot 641 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 1: of anticipation and expectation that had been built up from 642 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:18,920 Speaker 1: the Trump campaign and his advisors, and really that balloon 643 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 1: appeared to deflate as people were watching that Saturday night. 644 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 1: Dr Lara Brown, director of Graduate School uh Political Management 645 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: at George Washington University. Thanks so much. I'm Kevin Sirley. 646 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:31,839 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg one.