Speaker 1: Hey, hey, hey friends, it's me Devin Simone, and.
Speaker 2: Of course it's me Davon Rogers and this is MTV's
Speaker 2: official Challenge podcast, and we're back.
Speaker 1: We are back like we never left, Like we aren't
Speaker 1: forced to swim for our lives like they are on
Speaker 1: this final.
Speaker 3: This day is I mean, woo.
Speaker 4: This is insane.
Speaker 2: Like I I am grateful that we got the phone
Speaker 2: call to come and do the red carpet right party, Okay,
Speaker 2: because the call to actually do this season Nope, And
Speaker 2: all of this water, Devin, I can't even tell you
Speaker 2: how to get in the pool.
Speaker 5: Okay, So this right here is insane.
Speaker 4: How do you my god? Today?
Speaker 1: I don't mind the pool, but I know where my
Speaker 1: strengths are and are not. And if I'm in the water,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna drown, like for the most part, sure,
Speaker 1: but I'm probably not winning a race, and if I do,
Speaker 1: it's a fluke that I.
Speaker 3: Won the one. I'm not doing it more.
Speaker 1: And yeah, if I had managed to make it to
Speaker 1: a final here, I'd have to say this would be
Speaker 1: the one time I'd be more pissed than any other
Speaker 1: season because getting to this final, and only because some people,
Speaker 1: I feel like are just natural fish, right, like some
Speaker 1: people are just fish. Because even we see Rachel who
Speaker 1: lives by water, she swims all the time, and she's
Speaker 1: having her moments in this final, because there's all these
Speaker 1: different elements of it. It's just that's and Carl last
Speaker 1: week said she didn't want to do all that.
Speaker 3: That's yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this one is across the board challenging. It's physical,
Speaker 2: it's definitely mental. Like everyone's head is messed up right now. Everybody,
Speaker 2: and I'm talking about Jenny's hair like that. If you
Speaker 2: did not.
Speaker 5: Need mentally in their minds. So you said it, you
Speaker 5: felt it.
Speaker 3: I mean she said everywhere.
Speaker 1: I mean I do have to wonder too, how my
Speaker 1: wig glue would have held up.
Speaker 3: It wasn't that much swimming.
Speaker 2: That seawater would have took you out. It would have
Speaker 2: you would have been over here, your wig would have been.
Speaker 3: You would have pulled a big tea and just let
Speaker 3: it go. It would have just been.
Speaker 4: It would have been with the dolphins. Yes, they could
Speaker 4: have had it. They would have had it.
Speaker 3: There's no way.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this this right here.
Speaker 2: I want to get to the coins, but I feel
Speaker 2: like that that's going to stress me out. So the
Speaker 2: whole idea of the running and the thousand steps and
Speaker 2: the puzzles and all of.
Speaker 4: The things, and then the swim.
Speaker 2: I think Tory made a comment and said that they
Speaker 2: had to swim back and forth at least nine times
Speaker 2: throughout this.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, that's a lot. And then the.
Speaker 2: One check point with the puzzle where they had to
Speaker 2: swim out you go and look at the skull and swim.
Speaker 1: She had to do it again because she messed up
Speaker 1: one line. And then their place of respite is a
Speaker 1: crusty boat. It's just all bad, it is. I'm worried
Speaker 1: for Kylin's health. I'm literally looking like do I need
Speaker 1: to book a flight and come rescue him from the
Speaker 1: water because he's cramping.
Speaker 3: In water is just dangerous, scary.
Speaker 1: Poor Tory just had an elimination like two days before
Speaker 1: where she was in water for hours. So you know,
Speaker 1: because you guys know, there's that seventy two hour kick
Speaker 1: in right where you do like a strenuous workout and
Speaker 1: you feel fine the next day, and then that second
Speaker 1: day it starts to get bad, and then that day
Speaker 1: after that starting to kill you. Like all of it's bad.
Speaker 1: But can we talk about Jordan is just Jordan's.
Speaker 2: I mean Universal Studios or something like, he's at a
Speaker 2: theme park living his best life.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the ladies are ladies because they're the fact
Speaker 1: that Rachel was like, can I just compete against the men,
Speaker 1: because then at least I would clinch second place, I
Speaker 1: mean the shade.
Speaker 2: But not the shade surprising in this final how so
Speaker 2: he's doing really bad and I'm I'm I'm very surprised.
Speaker 4: I'm very shocked.
Speaker 2: But you know, he did say, you know, he's getting older,
Speaker 2: his body's taking a toll on him, so on and
Speaker 2: so forth.
Speaker 4: But I'm like, all season, you've.
Speaker 1: Been talking cash but hot s h I t because
Speaker 1: it's the swimming part.
Speaker 3: Though, I feel like that swimming part is a different
Speaker 3: like you.
Speaker 4: Even a friend ain't doing so good in the puzzles either.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that'sir.
Speaker 4: He's struggling.
Speaker 3: Well, I tried to help you, Johnny.
Speaker 5: I don't know what he's struggling. And I am surprised.
Speaker 2: I think I think he's really I think at this
Speaker 2: point in the game, Johnny is in his head.
Speaker 4: I think the Karma thing shook it.
Speaker 2: He tried to I think like he tried to shake
Speaker 2: Kyland about the final when TJ said them karma bokes,
Speaker 2: I think John face off the square. Yeah, he got
Speaker 2: completely knocked off his square.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he definitely got shook.
Speaker 1: Speaking of shook, talking about the coins, Jenny definitely was
Speaker 1: shook once it got to the counting place. And look,
Speaker 1: I understand you're tired, you're hungry, so I understand losing
Speaker 1: your minds.
Speaker 3: I totally get it. But Jenny is.
Speaker 1: Just I would have thrown her overboard. I think at
Speaker 1: that point, I don't know that I could have. I would.
Speaker 4: I gonna lie. She was the entertainment I needed.
Speaker 3: But if you were there alive, don't you lie? Day,
Speaker 3: what would you do?
Speaker 4: Pissed? You said?
Speaker 2: It's sure, but as yes, I would probably been like Jordan,
Speaker 2: like shut it down, be quiet, go to sleep, let
Speaker 2: us count.
Speaker 4: You go to sleep.
Speaker 5: Then a night right like because it was it was
Speaker 5: a lot.
Speaker 2: But as a viewer, and I love to be in
Speaker 2: this seat, I love being in this seat. I get
Speaker 2: to watch it, and it was entertaining, like her being
Speaker 2: so sleep deprived, hungry, all of the things she was.
Speaker 4: It was gold.
Speaker 6: I loved it.
Speaker 1: M h Yeah, definitely, And then I'm pretty sure on
Speaker 1: the clip for next week, you see Jordan say something
Speaker 1: about what's wrong with your hair or something he like
Speaker 1: shape just just a whole mess.
Speaker 3: It's all whole mess.
Speaker 1: So who is your gold star and your time out
Speaker 1: of the week gold Star one hundred bowl?
Speaker 4: Okay, well, you know what I can, I can. I can't.
Speaker 2: I was gonna shop it in hand because I feel
Speaker 2: like I have to give Jordan his flowers, but I
Speaker 2: feel like I've been giving him his files for like
Speaker 2: the last three episodes.
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna leave Jordan alone.
Speaker 2: Okay, but Jordan hi hi on the honorary mentions Okay,
Speaker 2: very high. But I'm gonna give my gold star to
Speaker 2: the ladies of this season because the ladies have been
Speaker 2: dominating this final.
Speaker 5: They've been tearing these men up.
Speaker 4: Do you hear me?
Speaker 2: It's Jordan and then it's the ladies, and then it's
Speaker 2: the rest of the men, and they have been tearing
Speaker 2: this final up. So I'm gonna definitely break the gold
Speaker 2: star up and give it to all of the ladies
Speaker 2: across the board.
Speaker 4: What about you?
Speaker 1: It wouldn't be day if she didn't break it up.
Speaker 1: But you know what, I'm in agreement. I agree from
Speaker 1: the beginning when they showed Rachel giving the toast at
Speaker 1: the event where we were in Vietnam.
Speaker 3: It's set it up for just how well these.
Speaker 1: Women came to represent, and I could be more proud
Speaker 1: of every single one of them. So they all get
Speaker 1: gold stars across the board. My time out of the weeks. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's a unique situation, perhaps a one time only. So
Speaker 1: Kylin gets a time out for peeing on the sign.
Speaker 3: Just peeing.
Speaker 1: I didn't need to see that, and then he pointed
Speaker 1: it out and he's like, see that, see that, Like,
Speaker 1: ah uh, gross, And Jenny for running her mouth so much.
Speaker 1: I am such a chill person and I am depending
Speaker 1: on who you ask for most of are I'm a
Speaker 1: chill person.
Speaker 3: I and I'm like so good under pressure.
Speaker 1: But her running her mouth and complaining it's giving me
Speaker 1: anxiety right now, like I want to strangle something right now,
Speaker 1: and I'm not even there or competing. I would have
Speaker 1: lost my mind. So she gets a time out, but
Speaker 1: Ginny is killing it in the competition, so it negates
Speaker 1: the timeout, so it neutralizes it. And Kylon is maintaining
Speaker 1: such a positive vibe and his curls are popping when
Speaker 1: he got out of that water, so it negates the timeout,
Speaker 1: So it actually neutralizes and neither of them get a timeout.
Speaker 2: What about you, day, I don't have a timeout.
Speaker 4: I don't I don't have a time out.
Speaker 2: This cast, this the remain well, the cast as a
Speaker 2: whole has been great. But these finalists that are in
Speaker 2: the like, they are giving me everything that I need,
Speaker 2: Like across the world, they're giving me comedy, they're giving
Speaker 2: me entertainment, they're giving me they're completing the chat lights
Speaker 2: the final like, they're giving me everything that I need.
Speaker 2: And so watching them navigate through this final has been
Speaker 2: absolutely amazing and I am excited to see the second
Speaker 2: half of the final. This up all Night Challenge is
Speaker 2: definitely something that I am looking forward to.
Speaker 4: So I don't have anybody to put in time out.
Speaker 2: At first, I was going the reason you want to
Speaker 2: put Kyl in the timeout is actually one of the reasons.
Speaker 2: I thought it was funny him peing on the sign
Speaker 2: absolutely hilarious. It was over, and I want to also
Speaker 2: acknowledge though, because I didn't give him a star and
Speaker 2: I should have.
Speaker 4: I shouldn't give.
Speaker 1: Him Brandon she forgot was on the season until they
Speaker 1: did a recapd y'all.
Speaker 2: I forgot Cet was there. I forgot they was there,
Speaker 2: and I forgot Brandon was there. I forgot until they
Speaker 2: show the flashback and I was like, oh my goodness,
Speaker 2: I feel like these people have been gone for.
Speaker 3: So leave Bay. I forgot like what twelve years?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 2: But oh, could you imagine Leroy in his final We
Speaker 2: wouldn't have made it.
Speaker 3: We wouldn't have made it for we wouldn't.
Speaker 4: Have made it like.
Speaker 2: Well have been practicing. So he you know, he a
Speaker 2: little flounder now a little bit.
Speaker 3: We love you, Lee, But yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't have a time out. But Kyland, I have
Speaker 2: to give him for his perseverance. Yes, because I would
Speaker 2: have left. I got a crap what I'm out of here? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm out of here. You could have just been a
Speaker 2: small like little child horse.
Speaker 4: I'm out.
Speaker 1: He just found me floating in the seed like I
Speaker 1: don't because I wouldn't have been able to keep moving.
Speaker 1: I would have just been floating along in the seed
Speaker 1: and speaking, floating along you guys have been floating along
Speaker 1: still your ideas for when we did our movie star
Speaker 1: comparison to these challengers and so so we can't shout
Speaker 1: them all out, but we appreciate you slide into our
Speaker 1: dms and tweeting us and sending us messages. Please continue
Speaker 1: to do so, and thank you so much for listening.
Speaker 1: But I just wanted to point out a couple of them,
Speaker 1: one that we shout out recently from Katie Jackson. She
Speaker 1: wrote back, laughing that we shot her house and she said,
Speaker 1: I know that Tom Hanks, the Tom Hanks comparison was
Speaker 1: a choice, which but she said, Derell is unproblematic and
Speaker 1: loved by all, so that's why she compared him to
Speaker 1: Tom Hanks.
Speaker 3: Justine said, uh that, yes, they agree with Drell being
Speaker 3: a Tom Hanks in there. Okay, a lot of a
Speaker 3: lot of Derell tom Hanks.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, someone said, because Tom Hanks had won those
Speaker 2: Oscars back to back, something like, and Derell won his.
Speaker 4: Challenges back to back, so something somebody had compared that. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, ant Man said.
Speaker 1: The Bradley Cooper reference in relation to Jordan is because
Speaker 1: Bradley Cooper is multifaceted.
Speaker 3: He goes Bradley Cooper.
Speaker 1: Acts, he sang, but wanted to do filmmaking when he
Speaker 1: got interested in it, so he directed to and then
Speaker 1: like a star is born and maestro, and that Jordan
Speaker 1: has done acting, he's an athlete and now he does
Speaker 1: race car driving. That's fair. I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: a convincing argument. A couple more that I want to
Speaker 1: point out. So Kiera, our girl Kiera over on Twitter
Speaker 1: said Robert de Niro is for Joanni is Robert Niro.
Speaker 1: She goes, he's funny but stern, and he acts like
Speaker 1: everyone's dad. Kia, I'm side eyeing you. She agrees that
Speaker 1: CT is Denzel Robert Downey Junior for Jordan, and I
Speaker 1: have to say I feel like my husband made that
Speaker 1: comparison recently. No, my husband compared car to Robert Downey Junior.
Speaker 1: I think I think that's what we did because we
Speaker 1: got to do a girl when someone else did. DM
Speaker 1: me saying we got to do one for the ladies.
Speaker 1: We do need to do one for the ladies. So
Speaker 1: day think about that. And then another person, this one
Speaker 1: was really funny to me. I told him to explain.
Speaker 1: Gary Acosta said, Bananas is Leo DiCaprio.
Speaker 5: Wow, that's exactly what I said.
Speaker 3: That's exactly I said. How he goes, well, he goes.
Speaker 1: He considers Leo it'll be the greatest actor of his generation.
Speaker 1: And Leo started off as a young man, still green
Speaker 1: behind his ears, just like Veneza. But when were we
Speaker 1: all young before we got old? I don't know Gary,
Speaker 1: if that's a convincing argument. He also said, one last
Speaker 1: thing is they both have slick hair. Yeah, Gary, I
Speaker 1: don't know that we're holding to that. H Schmimma twenty
Speaker 1: six said Johnny is Jude Law and Devin is Evan
Speaker 1: Peters or Jesse Eisenberg, who played a young Marc Zickerberg. Okay,
Speaker 1: so a lot a lot there, but a lot of
Speaker 1: you guys. We appreciate your thoughts. I still am gonna
Speaker 1: stick with my Nobody's convinced me more than a Chris Pratt.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'm still stuck on it, but I'm open.
Speaker 1: But for the ladies, really quick, who do you think
Speaker 1: you'd compare? Like?
Speaker 3: Who is Laurel? Who is a Tory? Who is a Kara?
Speaker 3: Who is Michelle?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 4: You gonna have to let me sit on it.
Speaker 1: Okay, next week, you guys, we have homework, all right,
Speaker 1: So think about it and we'll talk about it next week.
Speaker 1: But what we will talk about this week is we
Speaker 1: have an amazing interview coming.
Speaker 3: Up with our girl Michelle. Yes, she is coming back
Speaker 3: and we cannot wait to chat with her.
Speaker 1: So grab a snack, don't go anywhere, start thinking about
Speaker 1: the ladies and who they're comparable celebrity actors are, and
Speaker 1: come back to this amazing interview with Michelle Fitzgerald.
Speaker 2: Right after this, super excited about today's guest. It's Devon's woman, Like,
Speaker 2: this is Devon's woman, but she is a woman in
Speaker 2: her own right, her own name, she has earned on
Speaker 2: this show. And I'm super super excited to have you here.
Speaker 2: Let's give it up for Michelle. She is in the
Speaker 2: building with us.
Speaker 1: When you said Devon's woman, I was confused for a moment,
Speaker 1: like it just I was like, I do love.
Speaker 3: Michelle and she is killing it this season. I was like,
Speaker 3: with that might.
Speaker 7: Know, no, I do this same. I'm so excited to
Speaker 7: be here, but I did the same thing. I like
Speaker 7: looked at your camera to be like, wait, my your
Speaker 7: woman here.
Speaker 3: I mean we could talk about it. Michelle, so excited
Speaker 3: to have you here. How are you?
Speaker 7: I'm doing great hanging out? You know, that was an
Speaker 7: interesting episode, so it was excited, happy to be here.
Speaker 1: And we're going to get into that interesting episode. But
Speaker 1: of course everyone wants to know the status of you
Speaker 1: and boy Devin. How are things going? Are they still going?
Speaker 1: Where are they.
Speaker 7: Goingh Well, he is taking a nap in my room
Speaker 7: right now, so.
Speaker 4: Well there we go.
Speaker 7: He doesn't care, he doesn't care to listen to me
Speaker 7: kind of ramble on about the challenge anymore. So he's
Speaker 7: exited the room for this. But yeah, we're so we're
Speaker 7: good and the fits is visited Devin for Thanksgiving, to
Speaker 7: my house for Christmas.
Speaker 1: Whoa, oh, whoa, Okay, hold on, okay, this is Michelle.
Speaker 3: This is like, this is a thing.
Speaker 7: It's a thing. It's definitely a thing. Listen. He's just
Speaker 7: so fun, like, he's so much my I think a
Speaker 7: lot of people were surprised by us being together, but
Speaker 7: it's he's so obviously like my other half. We like
Speaker 7: the same things, we joke in the same way, our
Speaker 7: outlook on life is very similar. We just have like,
Speaker 7: genuinely so much fun. And I love that it's been.
Speaker 7: It's so easy. I now have somebody who I can
Speaker 7: like play a strategy games with and do crosswords with
Speaker 7: and it's just like, who else wants to do that
Speaker 7: joky shit with me?
Speaker 2: So I wish you guys could see her face.
Speaker 3: She's blessing.
Speaker 4: It's ridiculous, y'all. Like, I wish you guys could see
Speaker 4: her face. I love this. I love, love, love this.
Speaker 2: We've always said that you guys are the same person,
Speaker 2: like you and Devin Boy, Devin are the same person.
Speaker 4: So to see you.
Speaker 2: Guys kind of like, you know, off of each other,
Speaker 2: and the way you guys love on each other, it's
Speaker 2: just it's so beautiful to watch.
Speaker 7: So it's so it's so nice. Honestly, I don't I
Speaker 7: haven't really had much success in relationships in the past,
Speaker 7: and thank God for that. I think that that has
Speaker 7: led me here, and so I'm so grateful. Listen, Yes,
Speaker 7: we are this. We are very similar in a lot
Speaker 7: of ways. So it's like not all sunshine and roses.
Speaker 7: Have you seen how stubborn we both are, Like of course,
Speaker 7: you know we have been our battles too, but you
Speaker 7: know we are weapons, are swords, and so it also
Speaker 7: can be a little bit fun sometimes.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 1: What was it? Can you walk us through? Because we
Speaker 1: know that you know, trying to find love in the
Speaker 1: Challenge house is definitely looking for love in a hopeless place.
Speaker 1: But it sounds like you guys, you know, are making
Speaker 1: it work beautifully. When he first left the game, did
Speaker 1: you think it would go this far?
Speaker 3: Did you have any concerns? Did you?
Speaker 1: Can you just fill us in on what that experience
Speaker 1: was like when he left the game, you realize you
Speaker 1: guys have these feelings.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, prior to us even being on this season,
Speaker 7: we had, you know, something going on. So I have
Speaker 7: visited him prior he's come and visited me in my life.
Speaker 1: So wait, something going on? So like, yeah, we're hooking
Speaker 1: up before the season. Is that you're saying.
Speaker 7: Yes, yes, so, but like listen, he came out of
Speaker 7: relationship like not too long ago, and I don't think
Speaker 7: he wanted anything serious. I didn't know what that would
Speaker 7: look like for us either, with the distance and whatnot.
Speaker 7: So this season really like made us see what it
Speaker 7: would actually be like being together all the time and
Speaker 7: living together. And I think we just realized, like we
Speaker 7: might as well just go two feet in. We had
Speaker 7: been one foot in, one foot out for a long time.
Speaker 3: How long is a long time?
Speaker 1: Like a year or two year, like, when did you
Speaker 1: guys first realize, Hey, there's kind of a connection here.
Speaker 7: I think I realized a lot sooner than he did,
Speaker 7: but I don't know. I when we were in Amsterdam
Speaker 7: for the reunion of season thirty nine was when he
Speaker 7: was like, I really really want to come take you
Speaker 7: out on a date. We had We had already been
Speaker 7: sort of pursuing that, like like more casually, but I
Speaker 7: think things got a little bit more serious after Amsterdam
Speaker 7: and when we were in the house I was kind
Speaker 7: of and Johnny allude to this a little bit too, that,
Speaker 7: you know, I wanted more from him than I think
Speaker 7: he was willing to give at that time, and so
Speaker 7: I had my reservations, and I think he was like,
Speaker 7: I want to be two peated, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 7: do I want to do that. I've been down this road.
Speaker 7: We know how challenge relationships go. So it was definitely
Speaker 7: a process. But by the time that he was leaving,
Speaker 7: I was like, Oh, we're we're going to do this
Speaker 7: in real life. I had no fear about that. And
Speaker 7: he was talking to my sister who was giving messages
Speaker 7: to me, so like.
Speaker 3: Oh cute.
Speaker 7: We couldn't talk, but we would make it a point
Speaker 7: to make sure that there was like check ins. And
Speaker 7: when I got out, he was you know, he said
Speaker 7: how difficult it was, and I felt the same, and
Speaker 7: so we just tucked on after that.
Speaker 1: Had he met your sister before, like okay, so he
Speaker 1: knew that, like line go ahead day?
Speaker 2: Well you brought up Johnny, right, and that was like
Speaker 2: a very big moment this you read between you and Johnny.
Speaker 2: And so was that what Johnny was referring to when
Speaker 2: he called himself checking in with you or trying to
Speaker 2: have your back? Do you genuinely believe he was there
Speaker 2: to be your friend or was he trying to cause
Speaker 2: a divide between you and Devin?
Speaker 4: What do you think?
Speaker 7: I think both can be true. You know, he had
Speaker 7: the situation going on last season with Mariah. He saw
Speaker 7: you know, me and Callum and the sort of like
Speaker 7: real daggers in my heart that that kind of cost me.
Speaker 7: Not to be dramatic, but it was like total deception,
Speaker 7: and I think.
Speaker 3: And we felt that for you. I mean, we were
Speaker 3: pissed off on that.
Speaker 1: You know, we scared him away side note guests, because
Speaker 1: we rode so hard for you.
Speaker 3: That was terrible.
Speaker 7: He was a little bitch, So he should have owned
Speaker 7: up to what he did and came on here and
Speaker 7: talked about it. But he can't face his own deception.
Speaker 7: But anyways, enough about that loser. I think that Banannas
Speaker 7: also knew that I had feelings for I talked to
Speaker 7: Banana about everything, like I really did prior this season.
Speaker 7: We were really close, in my opinion, and he knew.
Speaker 7: I think he did want me to protect my heart,
Speaker 7: but I think that there were underlying things going on.
Speaker 7: I think because of our relationship outside of the game,
Speaker 7: he thought that I would ride for him one hundred
Speaker 7: thousand million percent and to see me potentially choosing somebody
Speaker 7: else over him might have scared him. And I think
Speaker 7: that there was a lot of reasons to do it.
Speaker 7: I think it was a power move. I also think
Speaker 7: it was trying to make sure that I didn't fall
Speaker 7: into some traps that he has fallen into in the past.
Speaker 7: So I think it was a few things. But to
Speaker 7: say that it was all selflessly looking out for me,
Speaker 7: I think would be a lie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think what you said makes so much sense.
Speaker 1: He was definitely hurt by the Mariah thing like that
Speaker 1: had an impact. You guys being so close, and I
Speaker 1: will say, in what I know of Bananas in the
Speaker 1: however long I've known him, I will say he does
Speaker 1: come across he's I've only ever gotten the impression he's
Speaker 1: someone who rides for his friends, like even in general
Speaker 1: most of the time. If I call him and I
Speaker 1: haven't seen in a long time, he'll answer, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, like Risero's friends. So if you guys
Speaker 1: are talking a regular basis, we all saw what happen
Speaker 1: with thou who shall not be named. He's hearing what's
Speaker 1: going on with you and Dev initially were Maybe Dev's
Speaker 1: not really to be serious, but he also Bananas is sensitive,
Speaker 1: like he won't admit it, but when it comes to
Speaker 1: his friendships, is sensitive. And so why he like drug
Speaker 1: it out? Why Banana's angels well formed, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like because it just seemed as a viewer
Speaker 1: it was so personal and now all the ingredients you've
Speaker 1: added to the mix totally makes sense. Why And he
Speaker 1: probably was harboring resentment to of what happened to him
Speaker 1: in years past.
Speaker 3: Yeah, dating on the challenge shoo.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And you know a lot of this is going
Speaker 7: to come up at reunion, Like we really dive in
Speaker 7: in the reunion to there's so much history between him
Speaker 7: and Devin as well, which, as somebody who has not
Speaker 7: my only experience with the people that I play with
Speaker 7: are the challenges that I've came with them and how
Speaker 7: they treat me. Outside of this show. I haven't watched
Speaker 7: past seasons, So for me, I'm going in seeing Devin
Speaker 7: one Banana. He worked with Bananas all season. He gave
Speaker 7: Banana his money. I'm like, Oh, they're good, you know,
Speaker 7: Like I'm thinking, oh, I'm I'm close with Johnny, I'm
Speaker 7: close with Devin. What could go wrong? We're all in
Speaker 7: the same cage here, right. I don't think that that
Speaker 7: is That's clearly not what was going on between them,
Speaker 7: and I felt a little bit kind of caught in
Speaker 7: the middle of that. But I knew that Devin's intentions
Speaker 7: were like good and pure, and I couldn't say the
Speaker 7: same for Johnny at that point. So, and you know,
Speaker 7: a lot, a lot gets unloaded at the reamian that does,
Speaker 7: in my opinion, show that maybe his intentions were not
Speaker 7: one hundred percent pure. So yeah, it's tough. I it
Speaker 7: was definitely a tough situation. I really wish that that
Speaker 7: didn't all play out the way that it did. I
Speaker 7: wish I just shut my fucking mouth, but lord knows,
Speaker 7: I don't know how to do that. So it is
Speaker 7: what it is. You know, like this season would have
Speaker 7: been probably a little bit more boring if that that
Speaker 7: didn't all play out the way that it did.
Speaker 1: But and speaking of the way I know and the
Speaker 1: way that things played out meant, ma'am, you made it
Speaker 1: to your first final, which, as again you've been named
Speaker 1: the Godmother of the Challenge by us.
Speaker 3: I it was lost on me that this was.
Speaker 1: Your first final, like it just subconsciously it was like, yeah, Michelle.
Speaker 3: Had been And when they pointed that out a couple
Speaker 3: episodes ago, episodes ago about you and Kylin, I was
Speaker 3: just like, oh, wow, yeah, I guess that's true.
Speaker 1: Wild So props to you though, just because of how
Speaker 1: well you in general kind of lead this game. But
Speaker 1: this is your first final. How are you feeling as
Speaker 1: it's beginning? What's going through Michelle's head, what's going through
Speaker 1: her heart?
Speaker 7: I think, first off, to be on season forty and
Speaker 7: to make the final is, especially with the journey that
Speaker 7: I had, was already to meet such an accomplishment A
Speaker 7: lot of the times when I'm playing these games, it's
Speaker 7: like I really play for like one foot in front
Speaker 7: of the other, get to the next day. It's always
Speaker 7: how I played Survivor. It's always how I play. I
Speaker 7: try not to look too far forward, but for me,
Speaker 7: just getting there was like, Okay, check, I've done the
Speaker 7: thing that was looming. Could I I think, especially after
Speaker 7: thirty nine when I got purged right before the final
Speaker 7: and I left on USA too right before the final,
Speaker 7: it felt like that thing was just kind of flickering
Speaker 7: there and I couldn't like quite catch it. And so
Speaker 7: to be able to do it in a season where
Speaker 7: I don't really have regrets about the way that I
Speaker 7: played on thirty nine, I look back as like the
Speaker 7: Godmother and I'm like, ugh, it just didn't It was
Speaker 7: a great social game, but it didn't feel right this
Speaker 7: doing it like on my own, making the choices that
Speaker 7: I felt were good, not doing it in a way
Speaker 7: that was malicious or caddy or like tit for tat.
Speaker 7: It felt really like.
Speaker 3: It was straightforward.
Speaker 1: You were very straightforward and like every move that you made,
Speaker 1: and you were fearless or at least I mean, we
Speaker 1: saw you doubt yourself and it was heartbreaking. Earlier in
Speaker 1: this season, there were moments where you know, you were
Speaker 1: kind of questioning whether night we saw moments where Olivia
Speaker 1: right was talking to you about saying, I need you here,
Speaker 1: you deserve to be here.
Speaker 3: Can you take us back to what you were feeling then?
Speaker 1: And I know so much has happened since then, but like,
Speaker 1: why in those moments do you think you were so
Speaker 1: down on yourself?
Speaker 3: Why were you so close to giving up back then?
Speaker 7: I think it was so at that point Devin had
Speaker 7: left and me and Johnny, like there are so many
Speaker 7: fights that happened between me and Johnny, Like it was constant.
Speaker 6: It was the.
Speaker 7: Even footgate, like, which is a little bit later than
Speaker 7: what we're talking about right now, had been he was
Speaker 7: tackling and taunting me and like all when we're on
Speaker 7: the bleachers and stuff, and like everybody knows it. I'm
Speaker 7: sure you guys have had people on that talk about
Speaker 7: some of his behavior was just it was to get
Speaker 7: a rise out of me, and I understand that. But
Speaker 7: at that point I had learned that in the individuals,
Speaker 7: if you come in last, you're going automatically in right,
Speaker 7: and so and then on top of that, I went
Speaker 7: down from heat stroke. I had just lost Devin Bananas.
Speaker 7: Is I feel like I lost this friendship with Bananas.
Speaker 7: I'm feeling like I have to choose sides. Just it
Speaker 7: was the mounting pressure of the game on me at
Speaker 7: that point that was just like what the fuck am
Speaker 7: I doing here? Like my man's over there, and I
Speaker 7: don't feel like I'm physically capable of competing at this level.
Speaker 7: It was just I was just having a really low day.
Speaker 7: I was down on myself. I ran I've run three
Speaker 7: or four seasons, just like back to back, getting myself
Speaker 7: into a lot of trouble, getting purged, and all of
Speaker 7: that sort of looms in the back of your mind, like, fuck,
Speaker 7: I've made so many mistakes, Like I'm exhausted, and I
Speaker 7: think I felt a lot of insecurity this season. But
Speaker 7: I think and I think a lot of that is
Speaker 7: a function on sort of thirty nine in USA, and
Speaker 7: I've played before and I don't know, not feeling quite worthy.
Speaker 7: And I think getting to this final made me made
Speaker 7: me feel a little bit more secure myself. So I
Speaker 7: think it was blessing truly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you stuck it out, you didn't quit. You stayed
Speaker 2: the race, and then we get to see the fruit
Speaker 2: of that because you're now in the final and girl
Speaker 2: tearing the final up. Okay, like you're not only in
Speaker 2: the final, you're tearing it up. But I don't want
Speaker 2: to get ahead of ourselves. I want to let's let's
Speaker 2: stay in order.
Speaker 1: Right, we take all over the place, it's not gonna
Speaker 1: be an order about the end of this.
Speaker 3: We continue.
Speaker 2: Tell us about the ff sinister, because baby, I couldn't
Speaker 2: have did it.
Speaker 4: I couldn't have did it.
Speaker 2: So tell us what it was like something we may
Speaker 2: not have seen, like the smell.
Speaker 4: I want to know all the things.
Speaker 7: It was just deeply uncomfortable. That was like the overarching
Speaker 7: feeling of this sinister. I mean, you can kind of
Speaker 7: get the vibe of this, but there was just not
Speaker 7: a soft surface in the place. Everything is cold, hard metal.
Speaker 7: It's all dirty, so like you're trying to kind of rest,
Speaker 7: but there's nowhere to rest, and there's no The bathroom
Speaker 7: on board is a boat bathroom. There's just one, so
Speaker 7: you can kind of imagine what that's like. So I
Speaker 7: think I was a little bit more prepared for the
Speaker 7: uncomfortability of the sinister because I've done Survivor. I do
Speaker 7: think that. Like when I was looking around, I'm like,
Speaker 7: everybody's bitching and I've heard how hard the final is.
Speaker 7: I felt like this was what it was going to be,
Speaker 7: so I was like, oh, duh, you know, but it
Speaker 7: was really interesting watching the meltdowns.
Speaker 1: I mean, well, Day and I were talking last week
Speaker 1: too about how Bananas was hyping you guys up, and
Speaker 1: I think Jordan too, being like, oh, be careful, you
Speaker 1: know that final is going to be crazy, and I
Speaker 1: was saying that, while yes, they were trying to scare you,
Speaker 1: it's accurate, like it is one of those things you're
Speaker 1: excited to get to a final and then you realize
Speaker 1: in the final and then you're like, oh hell do
Speaker 1: you feel like everything they were saying previously the previous
Speaker 1: episode was accurate around your first final experience.
Speaker 4: No, I think that.
Speaker 7: I don't know, I kind of I was enjoying it.
Speaker 7: I think you can see me like even when I'm
Speaker 7: I know that that sounds really crazy. I know, I
Speaker 7: know it does. And I definitely had like lows during it,
Speaker 7: for sure, but I was so grateful that there was
Speaker 7: like the light at the end of the tunnel, it's
Speaker 7: all I could think about. I was like, Okay, I
Speaker 7: have to suffer through this, but I know tomorrow this
Speaker 7: is going to be over.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 7: And so for me, like knowing that having gone through
Speaker 7: Survivor and honestly the challenge, every time that I think
Speaker 7: that there's like a limit of what I can do,
Speaker 7: I like the challenge forces me to sort of push
Speaker 7: beyond that. Like that Mini final, to me, was harder
Speaker 7: than the final because we were so hot. We were
Speaker 7: literally right flowing our way in and dying. But obviously
Speaker 7: that's such a shorter time frame. When you have that
Speaker 7: elongated time frame of the final, it's the wear down
Speaker 7: of like days and days of that sort of intensity.
Speaker 7: But yeah, I don't know. I expect when I hear
Speaker 7: Jordan and Banatis have done so many to be like
Speaker 7: it's the worst thing ever. I built it in my head,
Speaker 7: being like it's going to be the mini final just
Speaker 7: times like a thousand million. And I don't know.
Speaker 3: Do you like swimming in general, Like, what's your.
Speaker 7: I love to swim, but I do. I do think overarchingly,
Speaker 7: the heat thing has been a huge battle for me. Yeah,
Speaker 7: in this season, in every season I've ever been on
Speaker 7: I don't have I'm not I don't have like great
Speaker 7: breathing control, which makes me like, I'm sure you guys,
Speaker 7: when you work out in the gym, you know, if
Speaker 7: you're not doing the right breathing, you're sort of like dying.
Speaker 7: So I think I was so nervous about the heat.
Speaker 7: Just to be in the water to cool me down,
Speaker 7: like really, it made me not panic as much. So
Speaker 7: when you start to get really hot, I start to
Speaker 7: really panic and I lose like my sensibility. So I
Speaker 7: think in that way, let me kind of keep my
Speaker 7: sanity a bit.
Speaker 1: Speaking of sanity, did you keep it or lose it
Speaker 1: when you found out about the Karma points or the
Speaker 1: Karma vote?
Speaker 7: Bruh, the fucking Karma vote, Like, I just feel like
Speaker 7: it's really I came in with a reputation from thirty nine.
Speaker 7: I thought even getting to the final was going to
Speaker 7: be impossible because of the way that people thought of me.
Speaker 7: And I felt like all the people who didn't really
Speaker 7: have an opportunity to get to know me, because the
Speaker 7: people on Era one were the people who don't know
Speaker 7: me or Era two, and those people are leaving really early.
Speaker 7: A lot of the people who I already knew were
Speaker 7: kind of ran it with me a little bit deeper,
Speaker 7: and those are the people who are now in the
Speaker 7: final or whatever. So I felt like, and especially having
Speaker 7: put so many target bands on so many people's arms,
Speaker 7: I was like, I am responsible for so many people
Speaker 7: being over there voted out, and so it felt like
Speaker 7: I was just it was a kind of shit thing.
Speaker 7: It obviously favors people who have been in the game longer.
Speaker 7: I feel like, I don't know it. I'm not a
Speaker 7: huge fan of that.
Speaker 2: Yes, oh yeah, do you feel like in knowing that,
Speaker 2: because like I said, you've been killing this final so far,
Speaker 2: do you feel like.
Speaker 4: That makes you work harder?
Speaker 3: Just in case?
Speaker 2: Like maybe if my points are going to be low,
Speaker 2: at least I can make up for it in my performance.
Speaker 7: One hundred percent. I was like, I literally have to
Speaker 7: do as best as it possibly can do because I
Speaker 7: think people, most people, even people who kind of maybe
Speaker 7: want me to do well, might have given me a
Speaker 7: neutral number, like I was not passionately anybody's real ally
Speaker 7: except like three people. So I was just like, I
Speaker 7: think I'm going to have a pretty neutral number. It
Speaker 7: might not be terrible, it might not be the best
Speaker 7: but if I perform well, hopefully the carnivo won't shift
Speaker 7: me around too much if it's a neutral number. Yeah,
Speaker 7: so yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2: Not who do you think was the most concerned? Like,
Speaker 2: of the finalists, who do you think was the most concerned?
Speaker 7: Clearly Bananas? I mean, Bananas made so many enemies this game,
Speaker 7: But I really felt the same. I really felt the
Speaker 7: same for me. I felt like I was on the
Speaker 7: flip side of the coin for Bananas. He was throwing
Speaker 7: the girls in and burning a brit burning like an
Speaker 7: entire valley of enemies in his wake, and I felt
Speaker 7: like I was playing the same. I felt like me
Speaker 7: and him sort of both had the biggest detriment. I
Speaker 7: think Jenny as well, just because of her lack of connection.
Speaker 7: I didn't really try Besides the angels, I don't feel
Speaker 7: like she really tried much to sort of mingle and
Speaker 7: connect with people. So I think us three. Maybe Jordan,
Speaker 7: just because people are like, who wants to see to
Speaker 7: win again? You know, Peace.
Speaker 2: I don't even know what to put on Jordan. I
Speaker 2: don't know where to place him. I don't know what
Speaker 2: to put on Jordan. He's just in this crazy league
Speaker 2: of his.
Speaker 4: Own but I did think that it.
Speaker 2: Was great for us to see a clip of how
Speaker 2: they were doing the Karma votes.
Speaker 5: How did you feel watching that back of.
Speaker 2: What the people who had been eliminated had to say
Speaker 2: about you and how they voted for you?
Speaker 7: Oh? What the hell did they say about me? That
Speaker 7: I already want one set? I already wanted to survive.
Speaker 7: But that's like my point, right, Like, I think my
Speaker 7: point is is that people who don't know me, like Brandon,
Speaker 7: are going to be like, why would we give her
Speaker 7: a Karma vote? Like why would we why would we
Speaker 7: be rooting for her? Whereas these people have so much history,
Speaker 7: there's so much more, like they have so much more
Speaker 7: weight for their votes. And I think, yeah, listen, I
Speaker 7: don't I don't really give a fuck. I know what
Speaker 7: the people think about me. I see it all so karma.
Speaker 7: I don't know karma. It is what it is. I
Speaker 7: probably deserve some bad karma after some decisions that I've made,
Speaker 7: but I think ultimately I've tried to write a lot
Speaker 7: of my wrongs, and so I'm trying to remember that, like,
Speaker 7: no matter what people has voted me, as like, I
Speaker 7: think I've left in a better state for myself and
Speaker 7: my relationships like after this season.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I appreciate the karma votes because I think it's
Speaker 2: a friendly reminder for challengers that you're playing a game.
Speaker 2: So this is game karma, not life karma. Don't take
Speaker 2: it home like it's game karma. It's not life karma. Like,
Speaker 2: don't take it home.
Speaker 7: You know, Laurel gave me a two on criminal points,
Speaker 7: So that's progress. We've done something, right, Are you so proud?
Speaker 6: Kidding?
Speaker 7: Guys? Fuck the final I've already won.
Speaker 3: We're good.
Speaker 1: Okay, we have to take a quick break, but we'll
Speaker 1: be right back after this.
Speaker 4: Okay, let's get back to the show.
Speaker 1: If you had to give Jenny a karma point east
Speaker 1: off of her response to the counting of the coins,
Speaker 1: what would you give her?
Speaker 7: I see everybody talk about negative, but I would have
Speaker 7: to give her negative Like it was so to be honest,
Speaker 7: I love Jenny, but it was fucking obnoxious, Like I
Speaker 7: am sitting next to you. Counting requires so much focus.
Speaker 7: We're counting thousands and thousands of coins.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it was.
Speaker 7: It was so insane. I really didn't expect it to
Speaker 7: be like such a mind fuck, but you know, I
Speaker 7: got into a rhythm. I tried to do every like hundred,
Speaker 7: I put the hundredth over so that then I'm just
Speaker 7: counting at the end all of those and that everybody
Speaker 7: sort of created their own system, except Jenny, who is
Speaker 7: just she literally is having a mental breakdown at this point.
Speaker 7: She's like, I'm just gonna shove them all and she's
Speaker 7: talking a We're all like we need focus. We're all tired,
Speaker 7: we need focus, and like, at the same time, I'm
Speaker 7: sitting there being like, oh, you are literally at this
Speaker 7: point projected to win this final out of all of
Speaker 7: the girls, Like be grateful of your position, Like we're
Speaker 7: all tired and we all need this because we're trying
Speaker 7: to catch up to you. Like, it just seemed very
Speaker 7: privileged to like be in that position of having first
Speaker 7: place or like second place in every single one that
Speaker 7: you've been in. And you're like complaining about that you're wet, Like, bitch,
Speaker 7: you're all wet.
Speaker 1: I'm literally, oh we And we'll get back to that.
Speaker 1: And Jenny in a second, Okay, you won the first checkpoint.
Speaker 4: That's huge.
Speaker 3: Tell us about it.
Speaker 1: Did you get like an additional confidence boost in that
Speaker 1: moment because you kind of I feel like you went
Speaker 1: into this final a little bit. It's weird to call
Speaker 1: you an underdog, because I don't really ever see you
Speaker 1: as one, but like a little bit when it comes
Speaker 1: to the because season forty is just one of such
Speaker 1: powerhouse and then yeah, you come out and you win
Speaker 1: the first checkpoint. So are you Are you feeling like,
Speaker 1: all right, I'm pretty solid.
Speaker 7: Yeah. I truly needed that, especially because that was such
Speaker 7: a big run, which for me was like, oh God,
Speaker 7: this is what these girls have on me, and they did,
Speaker 7: you know, I started with a bit of an advance
Speaker 7: on them, and then they all cut up, and you know,
Speaker 7: the puzzle obviously balance us out again, and then me
Speaker 7: and Jenny are neck and neck. So like, I realized
Speaker 7: that very early on in this final, if I can
Speaker 7: keep my wits about me on the land portion, I
Speaker 7: will always be able to make up time and do
Speaker 7: well in the swim. So obviously he sees my fall
Speaker 7: from Grace the second one. I'm then in fourth because
Speaker 7: I don't keep my wits about me. But I do
Speaker 7: think at this point there is a bit of a
Speaker 7: learning curve to being in this final. I think all
Speaker 7: the other people have all the other girls have won
Speaker 7: before finals, and so I have to learn what it's
Speaker 7: like doing back. It's basically a challenge and then another
Speaker 7: challenge right behind it, and another challenge right behind it,
Speaker 7: and realizing that you need to leave the one that
Speaker 7: you just did behind and focus on the money here
Speaker 7: and keep a level head. So I was very excited
Speaker 7: to win the first one, but very humbled.
Speaker 1: You get to the number two, What was the Which
Speaker 1: one would you say was the easiest? This might sound
Speaker 1: like a sort of obvious question, given that you won
Speaker 1: the first checkpoint, but which checkpoint was the easiest for you?
Speaker 1: And of the ones that we've seen so far, which
Speaker 1: one do you feel was the hardest?
Speaker 7: The second one was the easiest. I was so far ahead,
Speaker 7: and that's I think it's the one that you look
Speaker 7: back on and I like, literally sometimes have lost sleep
Speaker 7: over this one. I think that it's it was so obvious.
Speaker 7: I just don't understand. I wasn't tired the swim. I
Speaker 7: was doing fine on going under. I was able to
Speaker 7: hold my breath, and I worked through every single one,
Speaker 7: and I was like, what the fuck am I doing wrong?
Speaker 7: It was it just got me. It was so stupid
Speaker 7: that but like physically that was the easiest one. But
Speaker 7: I thought the first one was the hardest because that
Speaker 7: run was probably like miles and the third one. At
Speaker 7: that point we were just exhausted. But and I don't
Speaker 7: mind this singing in the.
Speaker 1: And okay, so back to now, Jinny in the singing
Speaker 1: and the coins and s okay. So you had a strategy,
Speaker 1: everyone else had a strategy.
Speaker 7: Gosh, I will say, when I felt the end of
Speaker 7: the thirty minutes near it, I stopped counting at one
Speaker 7: hundred on the dot so that I would like all
Speaker 7: that smart. So yeah, like one hundred, because like, what's
Speaker 7: seventy one coins gonna get me? I'd rather I'd rather
Speaker 7: stop the hundred before and know exactly where I'm at.
Speaker 7: That's good, And to be honest with you, if I mean,
Speaker 7: there was probably a few situations where maybe I ended
Speaker 7: on a fifty and then you take a coin and
Speaker 7: put it to the other side of the box. So
Speaker 7: like there was little like strategies and tricks that you
Speaker 7: could sort of do. And if you're one or two
Speaker 7: coins off with the massive coins that there are, it's
Speaker 7: not super huge, right, So getting to like a round
Speaker 7: number was really like the probably strategy.
Speaker 4: That's good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so smart.
Speaker 4: Could you sing the song for us?
Speaker 7: I do know.
Speaker 3: Let's hear it, show me the way to go home.
Speaker 7: I'm tired and I want to go to bed. I
Speaker 7: had a little drink about an hour ago, and it's
Speaker 7: gone right to my head. Wherever I may roll on
Speaker 7: the land or see your phone, you will always hear
Speaker 7: me singing this song, show me the Way to go home.
Speaker 6: Show It.
Speaker 1: Sounds way better when it's just you, right, one person.
Speaker 7: Let me tell you it is the vein of my exists.
Speaker 7: That song. I've actually never heard the real song. I'm
Speaker 7: not even heard Apparently it is a real song, but
Speaker 7: I have no idea. And kJ was just like loving it,
Speaker 7: and I was.
Speaker 3: Like, what do you think at this moment? Is harder Survivor?
Speaker 4: Ask?
Speaker 7: Every season feels a little bit different, like the final.
Speaker 7: I think Survivor is harder. Really, I think just like
Speaker 7: the when when we're at the point of this where
Speaker 7: you're like so physically drained. There was points on Survivor
Speaker 7: like Day thirty nine, my first season, I was living
Speaker 7: off of snails and coconut and I remember walking through
Speaker 7: the sand. It was hard to like lift my legs
Speaker 7: to do it. So there's a there's a point where
Speaker 7: it's like you're so tired, like you're so starved that
Speaker 7: your body like kind of fails on you. Yeah, And
Speaker 7: I was just grateful that I didn't feel like I
Speaker 7: was reaching that point yet. So it's different ways, Like
Speaker 7: Survivor challenges are nowhere near as tasting as a challenge,
Speaker 7: but I don't know, I felt like it did prepare
Speaker 7: me in a way, Like I was like, Jenny, go
Speaker 7: beyond Survivor, come back, You'll be fine girl. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Was she the only one?
Speaker 7: People were irritated, Like Bananas was so irritated. Banana's and
Speaker 7: engur and were so irritated at Jenny. The guys were
Speaker 7: a lot more irritated than the girls were. I think
Speaker 7: Torri's body was kind of failing her at this point
Speaker 7: and so physically she was like struggling, but I think
Speaker 7: she was trying to keep a happy face on Kyland
Speaker 7: was sort of dejected because he hasn't been performing well.
Speaker 7: So everybody has their own sort of internal battles, but
Speaker 7: I think everybody's pretty the people who we see at
Speaker 7: the final like, listen, we have our flare ups and whatever,
Speaker 7: but we're all pretty like understand understand when to kind
Speaker 7: of like keep it in and internalize that because you
Speaker 7: know that everybody's a bit uncomfortable, and Jenny just couldn't
Speaker 7: read the room to kind of like manage her her
Speaker 7: emotions and feelings. And it was very difficult because we're
Speaker 7: all like on a hairpin trigger.
Speaker 1: And right everybody's tired, everybody's hungry, everybody's like, you know.
Speaker 7: She was on her period, so I know that that
Speaker 7: was irritating her, and she was really irritated that her
Speaker 7: hair was like all fucked up. She had her extensions
Speaker 7: in and they were like supernotted, and like she she
Speaker 7: was like really upset about it.
Speaker 3: But I mean, that's that's challenge chair one.
Speaker 5: I mean we that's while we're a wig, so I
Speaker 5: could take it all same.
Speaker 1: That's why I wore wigs. Like no, I mean no,
Speaker 1: you just don't like that's like, come on, what it was.
Speaker 7: It was a knot and then it became a snowball
Speaker 7: and then it became a boulder, and like everyone that
Speaker 7: it's growing. She's like her level of irritation and upsetness
Speaker 7: like grew with her hair direct correlation to how knotted
Speaker 7: her hair was so it was just like, this is
Speaker 7: just not the priority, Jenny, like that you are doing amazing,
Speaker 7: And honestly, I think a lot of us girls looked
Speaker 7: at it and was like, Okay, she's breaking, Like this
Speaker 7: is kind of what we need here because she's crushing it.
Speaker 7: And Jenny, God, I know this is annoying, right, Like.
Speaker 2: I would like to know at this point in the
Speaker 2: first episode of the final whose performance is like surprising
Speaker 2: you the most?
Speaker 7: Honestly, Jenny's I think that I knew that she was
Speaker 7: always very strong and always gonna. She always performed while
Speaker 7: she always held her My experience with her was on
Speaker 7: a team, and I always felt like she held her own.
Speaker 7: But she wasn't as like in your face outstanding as
Speaker 7: I felt like her muscles would lead me to believe
Speaker 7: she was. She I don't think she's won any individual
Speaker 7: daily Oh yeah she has. She I guess she has,
Speaker 7: but she just didn't like Tory Rachel like to me,
Speaker 7: they're just like these forces and Jenny is a bit
Speaker 7: like goofy, like we see her having this like so,
Speaker 7: I think it's easy to kind of underestimate her, and
Speaker 7: that's foolish. She's obviously performing really well, and I think
Speaker 7: I expected it on land. I wasn't exactly prepared for
Speaker 7: how dominating she would be in the water as well.
Speaker 1: People talk about puzzles being the great equalizer, but I'd
Speaker 1: argue what we're seeing in this final is the water.
Speaker 1: We see Kylind, who going into this final i'd say,
Speaker 1: is a top contender and he is struggling. Understandably so
Speaker 1: because we had car on last week and even she
Speaker 1: was talking about like, look, she can swim, but like
Speaker 1: it's its own thing. Swimming is its own thing, and
Speaker 1: you can be decent at it, you can be great
Speaker 1: at it, you can love it. Like the fact that
Speaker 1: you were like, oh, this final is great, I'm like, ah,
Speaker 1: you must love the water or like you just like exactly.
Speaker 7: I'm a Jersey shore girl, you know, and that isn't
Speaker 7: advantage it truly is. I smam in high school. I'm
Speaker 7: obviously like I haven't really maintained that in my adult life.
Speaker 7: That was too long.
Speaker 3: A lifeguard, I feel like I heard, yeah.
Speaker 7: I lifeguarded, but I lifeguarded at like a community pool,
Speaker 7: and I really just did it because there was a
Speaker 7: really hot guy who I was trying to hook up
Speaker 7: but that was a senior.
Speaker 3: Ship strategy. She was strategized at an early age.
Speaker 7: I don't think I really like saved anyone besides my
Speaker 7: popularity that year. I really didn't look that out but no,
Speaker 7: but definitely got a little mouth mouth lifeguarding practice in there.
Speaker 3: Can you show me how it's done again?
Speaker 4: Please?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Exactly, sleeping right, No, But I love the water and
Speaker 8: I felt like, really blessed that my first final did
Speaker 8: have something that I felt really strongly in.
Speaker 7: I think if it was a land heavy final, that's
Speaker 7: also an equalizer in a way, or if there's a
Speaker 7: strength portion, there's always going to be something that certain
Speaker 7: people are better, they prepare more for, and it always
Speaker 7: shakes out that way. But this one was I couldn't help.
Speaker 7: I was happy for myself, but I couldn't help but
Speaker 7: feel really bad for the people who put in the
Speaker 7: hours and like this is just something that they didn't
Speaker 7: anticipate having to do that much. And you know, a
Speaker 7: Kara and Naya, they've all pulled me after they're like
Speaker 7: and I was like, thank god, you got me out, girl.
Speaker 7: I never would want to do that. And Cara kind
Speaker 7: of felt the same. It's like, do you really want
Speaker 7: to run a whole final through and just like be
Speaker 7: dying the whole way because it's not something I.
Speaker 1: Mean to feel like running you can do, like as
Speaker 1: long as you could put one foot in front of
Speaker 1: the other. Now you may be slow as hell, but
Speaker 1: like you can go. I was so worried watching Kylin
Speaker 1: cramp in that water because for a moment I was like,
Speaker 1: he literally may not be able to keep going because
Speaker 1: of what you need just to safely swim, right like
Speaker 1: at a baseline, what you will need. And so I
Speaker 1: feel like the water part is that much harder because
Speaker 1: even if you have the mental fortitude, you can't just
Speaker 1: rely on that even just to not quit, like you know,
Speaker 1: you get the wrong cramp or if you step on
Speaker 1: a sea urch or something like, you're kind of screwed.
Speaker 3: So yeah, and.
Speaker 7: I think once you cramp once, it's something that continuously happens.
Speaker 7: That's the vibe that I'm understanding. And we're all, you know,
Speaker 7: there the water's white capping, We're taking in a lot
Speaker 7: of salt water, and it's hard to sort of hydrate
Speaker 7: enough to kind of counterbalance all the things that you're doing.
Speaker 7: So once Kylon framps, it seemed to be a reoccurring thing.
Speaker 7: I think Bananas was also dealing with some cramping. I
Speaker 7: think the guys were having it a little bit harder.
Speaker 7: I think the more muscle you have, the more difficult
Speaker 7: and extreme circumstance like that is. And I just felt
Speaker 7: so bad for Kylan, but in a lot of ways,
Speaker 7: I was honestly really proud of him. I felt like, yeah,
Speaker 7: it's very easy when you're put in a situation like
Speaker 7: that to be negative or have a meltdown, like you know,
Speaker 7: like a final meltdown where you're like, why the fuck
Speaker 7: am I here like this, I'm embarrassed, I'm gonna go,
Speaker 7: or whatever it is. And he's joking around, he's playing
Speaker 7: on this sign.
Speaker 8: He could have kept that part, but yeah, yeah, I agree,
Speaker 8: But he honestly is showing a lot of grace and
Speaker 8: gratefulness to be there.
Speaker 7: And I think he's obviously disappointed with what it requires
Speaker 7: of him, but I think he's just proud, like and
Speaker 7: I thought that that was such a great perspective to have.
Speaker 7: And when whenever I felt a little bit like my
Speaker 7: patience was fracturing or frying, I would look to Kylin
Speaker 7: and I'd be like Okay, he can keep it together
Speaker 7: right now. Emotionally, I surely can. I love that he
Speaker 7: was just so great. He was so great. Everybody at
Speaker 7: the final felt he was just such a great person
Speaker 7: to have with you just for morale.
Speaker 1: So it was nice you were a great person too, Michelle,
Speaker 1: because when you figured out about the barrels on your puzzle,
Speaker 1: it was so beautiful when you came back and it
Speaker 1: looked like you told Derek.
Speaker 3: It sounded like you told Bananas too.
Speaker 1: It was like off, it was someone's We were watching
Speaker 1: from someone else's camera, so we couldn't see who you
Speaker 1: were speaking to. But when you were like, check the
Speaker 1: inside of the barrels, or check the inside of the barrels,
Speaker 1: and you just wanted to help. Can you tell us
Speaker 1: just a little bit about that really quick of what
Speaker 1: made you say screw it and why did you think
Speaker 1: it was important to help those guys at that stage
Speaker 1: in the game.
Speaker 7: It was for Kyland, and it was for Kyland and Derek,
Speaker 7: two people who had had my back this entire game.
Speaker 7: And I think what I'm starting to realize at this
Speaker 7: point is that Jordan is so clearly coming away with
Speaker 7: the first place in every single thing and it feels
Speaker 7: to me that the battle now was for second place,
Speaker 7: and any sort of advantage that I can give two
Speaker 7: people who helped me throughout the entire game to secure
Speaker 7: that second place spot, I'm going to try to do.
Speaker 7: And obviously with Kyland, it was just like get him there,
Speaker 7: anything to keep him more like in it, and I
Speaker 7: was trying to do that in every single facet of
Speaker 7: this final is just keep Kylon in it. And I
Speaker 7: tried to keep Derek Spirits up. There's like things that
Speaker 7: they didn't show that, Like we went in while we
Speaker 7: were like running in the water, we were like, let's
Speaker 7: take like a bathing break, just to take a second
Speaker 7: to like keep it fun, remind ourselves were the three
Speaker 7: people who have never ran a full final all the
Speaker 7: way through. That's good, and so being like, hey, guys,
Speaker 7: like we can do this. It's I know it feels
Speaker 7: really deep and serious right now, but like we can
Speaker 7: help each other all get there. So they helped me
Speaker 7: in the game, and I could not be more proud
Speaker 7: to be at this point with them, and anything I
Speaker 7: can do, I will do. So I think we see
Speaker 7: that throughout. I think we see that throughout the final.
Speaker 2: That's so beautiful, so much, anything else that you can
Speaker 2: tease about this next episode, but I'll say it too
Speaker 2: much because we don't want to know who won yet.
Speaker 2: Any little sum sum sum that you can give us
Speaker 2: to hold on too till next week.
Speaker 7: Went out saying too much. Well, karma, karma is looming.
Speaker 7: I would say karma is definitely looming. I think we're
Speaker 7: going to see more. I think people really start to
Speaker 7: sort of break and patience is shattered. So I think
Speaker 7: at the end, I will say, and I assume I
Speaker 7: can say this, but I was really really proud of
Speaker 7: the production team because they sent everybody off the boat
Speaker 7: besides the like two people like the EP, and they
Speaker 7: carried the cameras and they it was literally just our
Speaker 7: group and TJ and two producers and that's how they
Speaker 7: announced the lineup, and wow, just try to keep a
Speaker 7: lid on it. And so it felt like really really
Speaker 7: like intimate and personal and already the final was such
Speaker 7: a personal experience as you're just going through the trenches
Speaker 7: with these people and you learn so much about yourself
Speaker 7: and each other and it's like a deeply like bonding experience.
Speaker 7: But that the end, it just being so small you're
Speaker 7: like looking around, You're like, holy shit, this is the
Speaker 7: end of forty We have done it. It is like
Speaker 7: it just felt so powerful and so yeah, it was
Speaker 7: probably you're obviously not going to see that, but the
Speaker 7: the feeling behind it was that it was just like
Speaker 7: our little yeah, that's cool true, and it felt Yeah,
Speaker 7: it was. It was powerful moment. I'm just happy to
Speaker 7: fucking be there. I'm like, hey, guys, yeah, I'm a
Speaker 7: sing this little bitty and I'm gonna swim my heart out.
Speaker 7: And that's it.
Speaker 4: Michelle.
Speaker 5: You are officially a Challenge finalist.
Speaker 4: You might be a winner.
Speaker 2: We don't know, we don't have right now, you are, Michelle,
Speaker 2: a Challenge finalist.
Speaker 7: Hout of that feel just that thank god.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I have seen so many things online where they're like
Speaker 7: and sixth time Challenger Challenge.
Speaker 5: Lazer, Like I'm like, oh my god.
Speaker 7: And then you see somebody like Fanatics, He's like I've
Speaker 7: been to twelve finals. I'm like, bitch, what a funk?
Speaker 7: Like I literally am on my sixth season and haven't
Speaker 7: or fifth season, haven't even like stepped a toe in
Speaker 7: the final yet. And some people have all of these
Speaker 7: wins under their belts. So like just being there, I
Speaker 7: was like, I.
Speaker 3: Fucking in the finalist club. We love that. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: felt so.
Speaker 7: I honestly felt so cool. I was like, get I
Speaker 7: get to see the end, Like I get to tell
Speaker 7: my family that I like finally didn't fuck it all up.
Speaker 3: Michelle.
Speaker 1: You are. It's been so lovely watching you season after
Speaker 1: season blossom and anytime you ever doubt yourself.
Speaker 3: I hope, I hope. I hope you.
Speaker 1: Hear our voices and I know many other fans of
Speaker 1: just what you represent and how inspiring you are to
Speaker 1: so many people. You are powerful beyond measure, so you know,
Speaker 1: use that wisely in your platform. But regardless of how
Speaker 1: this ends, hopefully it's it's your name called at the end,
Speaker 1: like we, like Day said, we don't know purposely, I
Speaker 1: don't like spoilers, so I want to like try and
Speaker 1: live in it like with the viewers. But it's just
Speaker 1: been really remarkable, So please be proud of yourself. And
Speaker 1: and the bonus prize is you got Devin sleeping and in.
Speaker 7: The hall exactly. No. I have to say, like I
Speaker 7: have had such a journey with the challenge and I
Speaker 7: left this one being like, no matter what, I like
Speaker 7: feel like I've seen myself evolve. I've went through all
Speaker 7: of the shit and like I've been the person who
Speaker 7: makes the dumb strategic moves, and I've been the person
Speaker 7: who plays shady and trying to adapt that survivor game
Speaker 7: to the challenge. And I finally felt like I've found
Speaker 7: my groove this season, and I was rewarded with getting
Speaker 7: to the final and you know, fully winning it all.
Speaker 7: So I was just so truly, so grateful of the
Speaker 7: overall experience of forty and just to be honored to
Speaker 7: be one of the few people chosen on here four.
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful for fans who want to keep up
Speaker 1: with you off the show and what you're doing.
Speaker 3: Where can they find you on social.
Speaker 7: I am miss underscore fit. It's a lot of Dog
Speaker 7: and Devin content, so I don't have a lot of
Speaker 7: my going on right now. H Yeah, that's about it.
Speaker 7: My Twitter got hacked, so that shit's deleted, and what
Speaker 7: a blessing. I encourage you all to delete your twitters
Speaker 7: and that's.
Speaker 3: It amazing, Thank you so much. Yes, we appreciate it.
Speaker 3: We do.
Speaker 2: We've been waiting to talk to you because you've been
Speaker 2: playing the mess out this season, so we're really really
Speaker 2: proud of you.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Thanks guys. This has been so fun and I am
Speaker 7: consistently bringing the mess so.
Speaker 3: But in a good way, a good way or worse.
Speaker 7: There is one thing you can always count on, and
Speaker 7: that is mess. Show was so uh that was so good.
Speaker 6: Yes.
Speaker 1: I love talking with Michelle. I love seeing the evolution
Speaker 1: of her in this game.
Speaker 3: And I'm not.
Speaker 1: Gonna lie as much as I you know, had feelings
Speaker 1: about people from other shows coming to the challenge and doing.
Speaker 3: Well, I do. I just I love Michelle and like
Speaker 3: I'm rooting for her.
Speaker 1: I mean, granted, I'm rooting for like pretty much everyone
Speaker 1: in the season forty cap finals because they're all seriously
Speaker 1: it's they're all amazing.
Speaker 3: I feel like you can't go wrong with any of them.
Speaker 3: But like, I'm rooting for Michelle too because I love Michelle.
Speaker 3: What do you think, day I agree with that.
Speaker 2: I love how you said about people from other shows
Speaker 2: and only mention Michelle. I'm going to put a note
Speaker 2: in that.
Speaker 1: You know, because you said you're not coming back. We're
Speaker 1: still working on it. I've been ntal times already. I
Speaker 1: think that's enough.
Speaker 3: If you do, if you do a fifth, I'll do
Speaker 3: a third.
Speaker 4: Wow, let's move on quickly.
Speaker 1: If you guys want to pressure Day and then coming
Speaker 1: back to the challenge, you don't know your voices can
Speaker 1: be heard Day. Where can they find you on social
Speaker 1: Where can they slide in those dms?
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't unless you want to talk about the podcast. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's the only do that message me about going on
Speaker 2: the challenge. I'm not there, Okay, I will get her down.
Speaker 2: I love y'all so much. But you can find me
Speaker 2: on the social media at devon Diane underscore, Where can
Speaker 2: the people find you?
Speaker 4: Devinsimone dot com.
Speaker 1: They can find me at devinsimone dot com said with
Speaker 1: the wismother and I. You also can find me on
Speaker 1: the Today's Show. We're doing a little series I think
Speaker 1: with Hoda and Jenna coming up. And then you can
Speaker 1: also find me on Instagram and the Tickety Talk until January,
Speaker 1: I guess, I don't know, uh.
Speaker 3: And snapchat you anyway.
Speaker 1: It's all Devin Simone, all Devin with the Wisesmother and
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Speaker 7: Of course.
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