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Speaker 6: All right.

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Speaker 5: So today's show, Donald Trump sat for an interview with

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Speaker 5: Dosh Burns of Politico that has just spawned several different

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Speaker 5: You could read it yourself. So we're going to dive

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Speaker 5: into that. John Stewart went deep on the Venezuela crisis

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Speaker 5: little bit about tariffs, Trump's thoughts on where the economy

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Speaker 5: stands heading into a midterm election cycle and some elections.

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Speaker 5: Last night, Ryan that had interesting results Miami in particular.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, some huge overperformances around the country for Democrats. And

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Speaker 5: Talk about all that, yes, And Kamalin Harris is getting

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Speaker 5: Gavin Newsom was flailing to try to answer for his

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Speaker 5: relationship with Apak as well. We're going to break that down.

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Speaker 5: And Sam Godaldig is going to join us his firm CGCN.

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Speaker 5: Sammy may I remember from a segment we did with

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Speaker 5: dirty secrets of lobbying here in DC. Sam's ferm put

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Speaker 5: out a really interesting report that puts some numbers on

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Speaker 5: the realignment phenomenon and the class base element of the

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Speaker 5: realignment phenomenon. So we're excited to have him here. Yes, indeed,

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Speaker 5: all right, Well, let's get started with Donald Trump's comments

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Speaker 5: on NATO as he seeks to end the war in Ukraine,

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Speaker 5: though it seemingly has no end in sight at this moment.

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Speaker 5: Let's go ahead and roll this part of Donald Trump's

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Speaker 5: interview published yesterday with Dash Burns of Politico. This is

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Speaker 7: How involved are you going to get? I mean, could

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Speaker 7: we see you getting involved in European?

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Speaker 8: I want to run the United States. I don't want

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Speaker 8: to run Europe. I'm involved in Europe very much.

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Speaker 7: Might you endorse?

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Speaker 8: Calls me daddy? I mean, I have a lot to say.

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Speaker 8: I just think he's doing a very good job in

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Speaker 8: a different sense on immigration. His country's landlocked. You know,

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Speaker 8: with energy. He's got a big pipe coming in from Russia.

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Speaker 8: They've had it for a long time. It's some different

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Speaker 9: So would you consider some financial He's really gotten right

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Speaker 9: as the immigration because he allows nobody in his country,

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Speaker 9: and Poland has done a very good job in that

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Speaker 9: respect too, but most European nations.

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Speaker 8: There decaying the decaying.

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Speaker 5: Those landlocked comments were about Hungary and Poland in particular.

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Speaker 5: But this is another part of the interview where Donald

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Speaker 5: Trump talked about negotiations in Ukraine. Let's rule a two here.

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Speaker 7: On Sunday, your son, Donald Trump Junior responded to a

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Speaker 7: reporter's question about whether you will quote walk away from Ukraine,

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Speaker 7: and your son said, I think he may.

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Speaker 3: Is that correct?

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Speaker 8: No, it's not correct, but it's not exactly wrong. We

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Speaker 8: have to, you know, they have to play ball.

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Speaker 5: That's a great line. It's not correct, but it's not

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Speaker 5: exactly wrong. Ryan Zolenski, meanwhile, just in the last day

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Speaker 5: or so has said they're not giving up territory and

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Speaker 5: he's doubling, tripling, quadrupling down on the So no closer

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Speaker 3: So it's a little bit right.

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Speaker 4: It's a little bit schizophrenic where he's saying, on the

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Speaker 4: one hand, he doesn't want to run Europe. On the

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Speaker 4: other hand, NATO calls me daddy, which anyway.

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Speaker 5: Actually true.

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Speaker 4: His son, his son says that he's going to walk

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Speaker 4: away from Ukraine. He says that he's not, but that's

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Speaker 4: not necessarily wrong. So no, it's it's difficult to read exactly,

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Speaker 4: you know, where he is at this because he seems

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Speaker 4: to kind of be flailing. Meanwhile, you're getting you know,

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Speaker 4: more and more reports that pre that that a massive

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Speaker 4: of of what's what they call uh, what do they

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Speaker 4: Basically it means they were forcibly inscripted. That you have

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Speaker 4: And there's a lot of a lot of videos that

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Speaker 4: members shooting footage of this happening with sys some absolutely

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Speaker 4: you know, heartbreaking stuff with like you know, two little

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Speaker 4: Reuters did a report recently where they followed I think,

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Speaker 4: and over a period of months, and none of them

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Speaker 4: if the Ukrainian people were like enthusiastically, you know, rushing

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Speaker 4: right for the first Yeah, for the beginning they were.

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Speaker 4: If that was the case, then you could say, Okay,

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Speaker 4: the free world, whatever that is, free world needs to

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Speaker 4: defend people who were like willingly like throwing themselves into

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Speaker 4: this conflict. But to give Ukraine a whole lot of

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Speaker 4: money so they can fund the forcible grabbing of men

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Speaker 4: them to the front against their will, that that can't

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Speaker 4: be the right side, doesn't mean there's a there is

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Speaker 4: a right side of it, but that that certainly is

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Speaker 4: not the good guys, and.

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Speaker 5: Putin obviously has been forced to change recruitment methods as well.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's just been a meat grinder for years

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Speaker 3: At least ten times bigger or whatever.

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Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, exactly, And so it's obvious that European leaders

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Speaker 5: are also getting frustrated with Zelenski. That New York Times

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Speaker 5: expos on the corruption and the mismanagement, I mean, that's

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Speaker 5: an understatement. The willful mismanagement might be a better way

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Speaker 5: to put it. Of tons looting funds, the looting of

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Speaker 5: up by its European neighbors, by the United States over

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Speaker 5: so the incentives to end the war, if you're somebody

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Speaker 5: And said he would have this, you know, ended in

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Speaker 5: leaders are really starting to get irked with Zelenski, his

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Speaker 5: time's running out on these negotiations. But then again, what

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Speaker 4: And the Europeans they seem they continue to seem to

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Speaker 4: of hoped that vibes would override underlying structure, like your

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Speaker 4: country is under mortal existential threat from this Russian invasion,

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Speaker 4: the endemic corruption that was central or that is central

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Speaker 4: to the Ukrainian political economy. And that just that never happened.

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Speaker 4: And I don't know why it would like if you

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Speaker 4: there are always people that are profiting off of war

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Speaker 4: in incorrupt ways by selling and the British Empires every

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Speaker 4: like every conflict you have scam artists and massive corporations

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Speaker 4: who will like sell substandard equipment to the troops or

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Speaker 4: keep the money like that. It's just endemic when you

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Speaker 4: start with an underlying higher level of corruption. Yeah, uh,

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Speaker 5: And it's also not their money. It's it's coming from

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Speaker 5: other countries. And that's what I mean, a lot of

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Speaker 5: going to test the patients of European leaders the more.

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Speaker 5: able to start putting investigative reporting to the question, like

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Speaker 5: these trails that I think is obviously going to start

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Speaker 5: Trump waiting back into these negotiations comes as their national

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Speaker 5: There is a classified version of this as well. That

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Speaker 5: Well, that doesn't that isn't. Now, this Compact piece goes

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Speaker 5: on to say, but those stances are connected. They come

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Speaker 5: They have, they have, and I don't know what option

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Speaker 5: It really is a giant mess. And let's also put

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So basically Trump is saying that he's going to

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Speaker 3: You know, we're objective here.

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Speaker 4: We don't care about the US perspective alone, right, So

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Speaker 4: maybe if this moves US further away from war, well yeah.

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Speaker 5: I mean I think that's the gloss that Jensen went,

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Speaker 4: So I actually that is a good theory maybe, except

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Speaker 4: we have now made it so clear to them that

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Speaker 3: That is not dependent at all in the United States.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, as they should be. I mean, if you're from

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Speaker 4: Yes, And how long we need like all of their

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Speaker 5: That's actually second and we need Taiwan, yes. And what

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Speaker 5: the end of the day, the administration made the decision.

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Speaker 5: It might just be a strategy that makes them feel

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Speaker 4: The New York Times is quite concerned that, and actually

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Speaker 4: which should make really avoiding war with China probably like

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Speaker 4: actually lose it. It's very long New York Times opinion

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Speaker 10: Up ed America must prepare for the future of war.

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Speaker 10: This is the opinion of the New York Times editorial board.

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Speaker 10: You might be thinking America should focus on peace, not war,

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Speaker 10: Pentagon must relax its byzantine rules for buying weapons and

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Speaker 10: It's only by partnering with allies that the US can

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's good. Diplomacy is good.

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Speaker 4: The part about we shouldn't focus on peace, let's focus

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Speaker 5: They said, go over the course of the next decades,

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Speaker 5: They will still be making them after everything is like,

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Speaker 5: Well, this is what was so confusing to me about

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Speaker 5: about the industry and that's all true. It's just framing

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Speaker 5: it in this big picture context about how we need

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Speaker 5: to be focused on winning wars. You have to get

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Speaker 5: into wars to win the war. And the whole point

440
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Speaker 5: of shaking up the defense industry, let's take it at

441
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Speaker 5: face value from people like Palmer Lucky is the piece

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Speaker 5: through strength line, which is that you don't actually get

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Speaker 5: into the wars because your tech is better.

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Speaker 4: Right, except the problem and Palmer Lucky is a good example.

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Speaker 4: He's building these multimillion dollar drones that just keep crashing

446
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Speaker 4: like China is building much cheaper.

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Speaker 3: Drones that work.

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Speaker 4: We're giving Palmer Lucky millions for drones that don't work.

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Speaker 5: Well, we aren't just giving it to him. He's trying

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Speaker 5: to sell it to us. That's the difference.

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Speaker 3: And so but we're already we are buying a lot.

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Speaker 3: But like, I think that was a billionaire.

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Speaker 5: Well, we'll see. I'm not a Palmer doomer. I think

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Speaker 5: I think there's something pretty interesting happening there. But we'll see.

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Speaker 5: I mean there's you could break up the monopoly and

456
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Speaker 5: then end up creating new monopolies so that that can

457
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Speaker 5: easily take the place. And we'll see about that. So

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Speaker 5: our system we can't do. Even when we do industrial policy,

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Speaker 5: we can't do it right.

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Speaker 4: Making of War John Stewart went Daily Show, old school.

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Speaker 4: Let's watch this a little bit of this masterpiece of

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Speaker 4: a segment from him.

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Speaker 3: Go watch the whole thing. But here's a clip of it.

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Speaker 3: On parallels between Venezuela and Iraq.

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Speaker 5: But I know what.

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Speaker 11: Maga is doing. They're convincing us that a rock was

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Speaker 11: an entirely different set of circumstances, that country was led

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Speaker 11: by a sword wielding mustachie oed madman who held an

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Speaker 11: iron grip on his people in his power. Nicholas Maduro

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Speaker 11: is nothing but oh shit.

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Speaker 6: That drugged out dinghy was a floating weapon of mass destruction.

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Speaker 12: Every boat carrying fentanyl and drugs in this country the

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Speaker 12: weapon of mass destruction?

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Speaker 11: Are you fucking kidding me?

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Speaker 3: Right now?

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Speaker 11: You guys have the balls to tell us that the

477
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Speaker 11: pretext for a ROQ was bullshit and that war was

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Speaker 11: a mistake and we're not like that. And also Venezuela

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Speaker 11: has weapons of mass destruction and we have to stop them.

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Speaker 11: For those of you who are like, oh my god,

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Speaker 11: I didn't even realize that all the fentanyl in the

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Speaker 11: US comes from Venezuela. That's because it doesn't like almost

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Speaker 11: none of it, but none of it. Because as much

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Speaker 11: as you say war with Venezuela would be so different

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Speaker 11: from Iraq, it seems like you may be using the

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Speaker 11: neocons sales manual, like other than WMDs. Why was it

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Speaker 11: so important to take down saddamuzin is regime as an

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Speaker 11: active support for in cooperation with terrorist networks. Terrorist networks,

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Speaker 11: that's the worst kind of networks. Well, you'll never guess

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Speaker 11: where the terrorists are.

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Speaker 12: Now Iran, it's IRGC and even hesblah, they have planted

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Speaker 12: their flag on Venezuelan territory with a full and open

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Speaker 12: cooperation of that regime.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 11: So if you're saying we go to war with Venezuela,

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Speaker 11: we're also getting into a proxy war with Iran.

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Speaker 3: I'm sold.

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Speaker 11: Now if I remember correctly, though Iraq lasted until still.

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Speaker 3: And what did they say about that? I think it

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Speaker 3: would be a cakewalk. I don't think it would be

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Speaker 3: a that tough a fight.

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Speaker 11: I think the saddest part of getting into a war

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Speaker 11: of choice in twenty twenty five is it Dick Cheney

504
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Speaker 11: won't be around to see it.

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Speaker 4: Later, he goes into the question of how you can

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Speaker 4: square America first with this, with the circle of this intervention.

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Speaker 4: He plays this great clip of my friend Jesse Waters

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Speaker 4: Yeah saying it's South America.

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Speaker 3: America is right there in the name. It's obviously America first.

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Speaker 5: Oh good, it's obviously America.

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Speaker 12: Right.

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Speaker 5: Well, that's all I let That's the only that Rubio

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Speaker 5: has been using is that if you are America first,

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Speaker 5: this is our hemisphere. It's a less sophisticated rendering of

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Speaker 5: the Rubio line.

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Speaker 4: But it's also our world. Like, how does that not

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Speaker 4: apply to the world. They're trying to your world power.

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Speaker 4: I mean, they're first, it's our world. It's our world,

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Speaker 4: so everything in the world is ours.

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Speaker 5: There you go that if it identifies as America, that

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Speaker 5: it's America.

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Speaker 3: Says it right there.

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Speaker 4: The America's yeah, Like what part of this is confusing

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Speaker 4: to you?

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Speaker 5: But this is where we talked in the last block

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Speaker 5: about how the Trump National Security Strategy that was released

527
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Speaker 5: is a literal PDF titled National Security Strategy is trying

528
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Speaker 5: to move away from the Cold War coalitions with Western Europe.

529
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Speaker 5: But this is still all entirely Cold War rhetoric. It's

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Speaker 5: not even a rock. It's Marco Rubio talking about that

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Speaker 5: you can substitute Iran and Hezbola for Soviet Union. It's

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Speaker 5: exactly what we were doing in South America and Central

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Speaker 5: America during the Cold War. It's exactly the same playbook

534
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Speaker 5: and the same regime change playbook. And they're using I mean,

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Speaker 5: if you were trying to sell this word to the

536
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Speaker 5: American public, saying these are legit weapons of mass destruction

537
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Speaker 5: is about the dumbest way you could do it. That's

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Speaker 5: the quickest way that you can get dis trust about

539
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Speaker 5: the legitimacy of this war is to say, what did

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Speaker 5: jesse Water say those boats are three d up into

541
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Speaker 5: the mess or something like that, yeat, Like that is

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Speaker 5: the quickest way you can make people be like, whoa

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Speaker 5: hold on, let's go easy on this one.

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Speaker 4: Like that, I mean, in his defense claiming weapons of

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Speaker 4: mass distraction destruction worked last time.

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Speaker 3: They don't care that the war didn't go well. They

547
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Speaker 3: got to do their war.

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Speaker 4: So in that sense, they're like, oh, let's do the

549
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Speaker 4: WMD playbook again. But to your point about Rubio, for

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Speaker 4: that reason drops that news is actually we're launching a

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Speaker 4: Latin American desk for this reason because like it's clear

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Speaker 4: that as you based on this national security strategy, what

553
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Speaker 4: Trump is saying about Europe and China, there is a

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Speaker 4: recognition that American global hegemony is at the beginning of

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Speaker 4: the end at least. And what that's going to mean

556
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Speaker 4: is that our friends closer by are going to get

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Speaker 4: a lot more attention. John Stewart define America first, as

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Speaker 4: we're not going to kill people over there, We're going

559
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Speaker 4: to kill people here, right, So we're going to have

560
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Speaker 4: to beef up our coverage of that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. But I mean also let's say you let's just

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Speaker 5: say you buy into that strategy. Their plan. They point

563
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Speaker 5: constantly to Panama, but their plan has not worked elsewhere.

564
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Speaker 5: Like give them that, give them that.

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Speaker 4: So we had a massive military base in Panama already.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Manuel.

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Speaker 4: Noriega was a CIA asset. So like fire, like firing

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Speaker 4: your own asset and replacing them. Yeah, is not as

569
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Speaker 4: impressive a feat as going into a hostile place where

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Speaker 4: you don't have a military base and trying to completely

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Speaker 4: revolutionize the political structure.

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Speaker 5: Well we did, I mean originally as Panama exists because.

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Speaker 4: We were revolution and like, yeah, we created it, right

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Speaker 4: and for.

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Speaker 5: Yes, And so if you again keep going back to

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Speaker 5: these examples, there's the best example is right now you

577
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Speaker 5: have a Sandinista president, Like, how has this worked for

578
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Speaker 5: you all? Like the in the the arc of history?

579
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Speaker 5: How have these regime change operations backing militants against alleged

580
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Speaker 5: communists or hesblosympathize sympathizers, which he's of course correct. And

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Speaker 5: this was the point that you were going to make,

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Speaker 5: or that you were making, which is that yes, Iran

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Speaker 5: and China are going to get footholds in Venezuela. To

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Speaker 5: some extent they already do have them. It's because of

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Speaker 5: the regime change wars that many people in those countries

586
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Speaker 5: have been open, have been open to embracing these different

587
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Speaker 5: countries because some people that really don't like the United States.

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Speaker 5: I wonder why, I wonder.

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Speaker 3: I can't imagine why.

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Speaker 4: One example of why they might not as Pete Hexith

591
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Speaker 4: being on a serial killer spree around the around the Caribbean.

592
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Speaker 4: Trump was asked in this interview whether or not he'd

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Speaker 4: be okay with Hegseth testifying. And if you're heg Seth,

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Speaker 4: you'd probably like to see a little bit firmer defense

595
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Speaker 4: than the President offered him right here?

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Speaker 7: Should he testify Pete Hegseth under oath before Congress about

597
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Speaker 7: that controversial second strike on the alledged drug boat October.

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Speaker 3: I don't care.

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Speaker 8: Every day he can if he wants, I don't care.

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Speaker 5: Do you think he should?

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Speaker 9: I don't care.

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Speaker 8: I would say, dude, if you want, he's doing a

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Speaker 8: great job.

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Speaker 5: Have you watched.

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Speaker 8: I watch everything? Yeah, I watch everything. I see a

606
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Speaker 8: lot of things.

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Speaker 7: And do you believe that that second strike was necessary?

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Speaker 8: Well, it looked like they were trying to turn back

609
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Speaker 8: over the boat, but I don't get involved in that.

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Speaker 8: That's up to them.

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Speaker 4: I don't care, not exactly what you want when you're facing,

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Speaker 4: you know, war crimes allegations. Speaking of war crimes, he

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Speaker 4: was also asked about, and this was the story that

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Speaker 4: Sager and I had reported earlier, that he was given

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Speaker 4: a bunch of targets in Mexico and Colombia by his

616
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Speaker 4: intelligence community when he asked for targets connected to the

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Speaker 4: drug trade in Venezuela, because there isn't much in Venezuela

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Speaker 4: connectors of the drug trade except a little coca leaf

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Speaker 4: off in the jungle. And so he's now got his

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Speaker 4: eye on Columbia and Mexico. Let's roll that one.

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Speaker 7: Would you consider doing something similar with Mexico and Colombia

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Speaker 7: that are even more responsible for fentanyl trafficking in the US.

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Speaker 4: Sure we put up before here daily mail reporting Trump

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Speaker 4: sending shockwaves through Latin America. They should be watching Breaking

625
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Speaker 4: Points or reading drop side. They would not be shocked. No,

626
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Speaker 4: learn ahead of time what's going on by getting some

627
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Speaker 4: actual news, which don't just wait for it to spill.

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Speaker 3: Out a Trump's mouth.

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Speaker 5: Save yourself the shockwaves. But I actually don't even think

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Speaker 5: many people in Latin America at all surprised by this.

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Speaker 4: To be honest, because daily mail might be sensationializing that

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Speaker 4: a little bit.

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Speaker 3: You think they.

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Speaker 5: Wouldn't do that. But yeah, he's sort of been telegraphing

635
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Speaker 5: a willingness. I speaking of Cold War two point zero.

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Speaker 5: With Trump, you genuinely do not know. I don't know

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Speaker 5: whether he knows if this is serious, if he's serious

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Speaker 5: about this, or if he's posturing. Because he does so

639
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Speaker 5: much posturing, he's comfortable with pushing the limits on what

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Speaker 5: typical politicians are comfortable threatening. And so it's hard to

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Speaker 5: say how serious that is. But because the President of

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Speaker 5: the United States said it, you have to take it seriously.

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Speaker 5: Of course you have to take it seriously. So we'll see.

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Speaker 5: You would certainly have a better justification for striking targets

645
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Speaker 5: in Sinaloa, for example, if you're trying to stop fentanyl

646
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Speaker 5: overdoses in the United States, federal trafficking into the United States,

647
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Speaker 5: that justification would be a whole lot easier than boats

648
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Speaker 5: that are going to surinam off the coast of Venezuela.

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Speaker 4: We do have some good news on the economy, so

650
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Speaker 4: a lot of you out there may think that rents

651
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Speaker 4: and home prices are through the roof and becoming unaffordable.

652
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Speaker 3: You might think it's really tough to get a decent job.

653
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Speaker 4: You might think it's tough to keep the job you have,

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Speaker 4: and that your manager lately is feeling pretty good and

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Speaker 4: not treating you quite as well as here she was

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Speaker 4: in like twenty twenty one or twenty twenty two. You

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Speaker 4: might get a bag of groceries and be like, excuse me,

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Speaker 4: how much for that?

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Speaker 3: You would be wrong? Fortunately, Yeah, this is the good news.

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Speaker 4: This is the great news. Luckily for you. The economy

661
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Speaker 4: has never been better. Trump was asked about it and

662
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Speaker 4: celebrated his tremendous success in the interview with Politico.

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Speaker 5: But I do want to.

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Speaker 7: Talk about the economy, sir, here at home. I wonder

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Speaker 7: what grade you would give.

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Speaker 8: A plus, A plus, A plus plus plus plus plus.

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Speaker 7: We're going to pick a new FED chair soon. Is

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Speaker 7: it a litmus test that the new chair lower interest

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Speaker 7: rates immediately?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 8: Well this guy too.

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Speaker 4: So the economy is a plus plus plus plus plus

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Speaker 4: public plus. But the Federal Reserve needs to be lowering

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Speaker 4: interest rates. I don't know if you're economically literated or not.

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Speaker 4: If you are, that's a contradiction, but never mind, forget it.

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Speaker 5: But the good news is everyone's phone for a hoax.

677
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Speaker 5: So it's actually all fine, you've phone for a hoax.

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Speaker 5: This is the mid term message test. Trump gave a

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Speaker 5: speech last night in Pennsylvania where he said he's not

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Speaker 5: supposed to talk about affordability being a hoax.

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Speaker 3: He was like out, I was told to stop, like

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Speaker 3: deaf thing, yet of.

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Speaker 5: Course he did it. This was like, I think, a

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Speaker 5: ninety seven minute speech that I think he said at

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Speaker 5: one point also that they told him not to talk

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Speaker 5: about immigration. Talked about immigration.

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Speaker 4: But find it hard to believe they told him not

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Speaker 4: to talk about immigration.

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Speaker 3: What does he mean by that?

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Speaker 5: I think he was supposed to. It was supposed to

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Speaker 5: be focused on affordability. Oh, it was a speech that

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Speaker 5: was supposed to start undermining the democraction.

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Speaker 4: That it's a serious issue that people are concerned about.

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Speaker 4: Stop calling it a hoax and politicals.

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Speaker 5: Yes, there were lines in this ninety seven minute speech

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Speaker 5: in Pennsylvania where he talked about, you know, affordability being

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Speaker 5: a problem. It's like your point on this paradox of

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Speaker 5: saying the economy is an a plus plus plus plus plus,

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Speaker 5: but the Fed needs the lower interest rates because people

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Speaker 5: are dying out here. It's at the same time, you

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Speaker 5: also then have to, as the Trump administration, say yes,

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Speaker 5: we've had a year in office, but if you're feeling

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Speaker 5: badly about the economy, that's Democrat's fault for the Biden

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Speaker 5: administration creating a bad economy. And it's also Democrat's fault

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Speaker 5: for making you think the economy like there's so many

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Speaker 5: paral paradoxes in this.

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Speaker 4: It's Democrat's fault for creating the A plus plus plus economy.

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Speaker 5: Right, the Biden economy was so this is what they're

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Speaker 5: gonna This is what you have to say, that the

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Speaker 5: Biden economy was so bad that the economy is still bad,

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Speaker 5: but also the economy is great. Those things cannot all

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Speaker 5: be true.

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Speaker 4: I've seen them talking about rates of growth and improvement,

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Speaker 4: and so maybe they'll start to say it's really great

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Speaker 4: just for just not for you, and that's kind of

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Speaker 4: a you problem.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, everybody else.

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Speaker 4: Is doing great. I don't know why you're feeling so badly.

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Speaker 4: Let's look at the broader economic data. Oh, they're not

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Speaker 4: rolling out the economic data, so they're major price indexes

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Speaker 4: are not going to be coming out anytime soon, so

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Speaker 4: they're delaying a lot of different data that the FED

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Speaker 4: would like to see and replacing it with Trump telling

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Speaker 4: you that it's a plus plus plus plus one plus.

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Speaker 5: So he also called affordability a hoax twice and then

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Speaker 5: said he's no longer quote allowed to use the phrase

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Speaker 5: as we mentioned, and he whipped out this old saw

728
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Speaker 5: where he says, you don't need thirty seven dollars for

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Speaker 5: your daughter two or three is nice, which, by the way,

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Speaker 5: I agree with. It is a politically disastrous message though

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Speaker 5: for a billionaire to be making on the campaign trail

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Speaker 5: in a midterm season when people are broadly dissatisfied with

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Speaker 5: the economy, so that's that's going to be a brutal

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Speaker 5: messaging effort. They're hoping that tax cuts kick in and

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Speaker 5: by the time summer rolls around people are feeling better.

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Speaker 5: But like broadly right now, people are unhappy with the

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Speaker 5: tariff policies, and businesses are unhappy with the tariff policies,

738
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Speaker 5: saying that the tariffs are causing price hikes. So we're gonna, like,

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Speaker 5: I think what we'll see is some holes poked in

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Speaker 5: the tariff policy. Big picture tariff policy. I would expect,

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Speaker 5: like coffee, bananas, those sorts of things to have some

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Speaker 5: deals made right going forward.

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Speaker 4: I think we tried to encourage our our local banana

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Speaker 4: growers to increase production and encourage our American coffee producers,

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Speaker 4: but apparently only the Hawaiians we're willing to step up.

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Speaker 3: Nobody else here in the continental.

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Speaker 4: US, and Alaska basically has produced zero coffee despite all

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Speaker 4: of the tariffs.

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Speaker 3: What is wrong with them?

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Speaker 4: And so I think at some point you just have

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Speaker 4: to recognize that the American people just aren't up to

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Speaker 4: stuff when it comes to growing coffee beans. So at

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Speaker 4: that point you're going to have to back off the terraffs.

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Speaker 4: But he is willing to increase tariffs on some goods,

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Speaker 4: he said, if we can roll this.

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Speaker 7: Next one is more carve outs on other goods that

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Speaker 7: Americans find too expensive.

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Speaker 8: Some carve outes you mean from tariffs from.

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Speaker 7: Tariffs, Yeah, like coffee, like bananas.

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Speaker 8: I've done that already with coffee. They're very small. Carveautes

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Speaker 8: is not a big deal.

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Speaker 7: So would you rule out reducing tariffs on any more goods?

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Speaker 8: On some and then some I'll increase tariffs because you

764
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Speaker 8: know what happens is because of tariffs, all of the

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Speaker 8: car companies are coming back.

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Speaker 4: So meanwhile he says he's going to increase tariffs. Car

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Speaker 4: company is all coming back. Manufacturing jobs have collapsed faster

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Speaker 4: than any time since the financial crisis under Trump.

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Speaker 3: It's actually rather shocking.

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Speaker 4: The manufacturing jobs exploded under Biden and are collapsing under Trump.

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Speaker 4: So apparently there's twenty trillion dollars flooding And I saw

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Speaker 4: a Botya saying that on the network she's on now,

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Speaker 4: the twenty trillion dollars is flooding in because of tariffs.

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Speaker 4: What are they doing with this twenty trillion dollars if

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Speaker 4: they're actually firing tens of thousands of manufacturing workers every month.

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Speaker 5: So Reason had a good roundup, and obviously Reason libertarians

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Speaker 5: they don't like tariffs, right, hate detest tariffs. But they

778
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Speaker 5: had a good roundup of just the big like the

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Speaker 5: aggregate picture right now, looking at surveys of business owners

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Speaker 5: and the data overall. And so that's where I think,

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Speaker 5: as sympathetic as I am to the point that Baya

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Speaker 5: is making that some of this is necessary, and some

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Speaker 5: of this, you know, in the law term, if done correct.

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Speaker 4: We're both sympathetic that we need a manufacturing base and

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Speaker 4: that we should have federal policy to encourage its.

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Speaker 5: Right, and so I'm not completely closed minded to the

787
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Speaker 5: possibility that if this continues, if these policies continue and

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Speaker 5: are done really strategically in a year or two years,

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Speaker 5: that the costs are worth the benefit worth the benefits.

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Speaker 5: But right now, these these tariffs have been haphazard. The

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Speaker 5: haphazardness has continued since the Liberation Day period, and that

792
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Speaker 5: is creating an environment I don't even think is a

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Speaker 5: fair test of industrial teriff industrial policy, because it's not.

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Speaker 5: It's on the one hand, yes, there is some leverage

795
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Speaker 5: for Trump being the kind of Madman Nixon figure where

796
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 5: you don't actually know what he's going to do. You

797
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Speaker 5: just hope that different companies are betting on the US.

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Speaker 5: They got these big tax breaks for MANUFACTUS and all

799
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Speaker 5: of that, But that actually has to work in the

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Speaker 5: long term, and so far, prices are higher and manufacturing

801
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Speaker 5: jobs are continuing to slip, and manufacturing is part of

802
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Speaker 5: GDP is still not going.

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Speaker 4: Right, and it seems like the main reason for that

804
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Speaker 4: is that if you manufacture something here in the United States,

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Speaker 4: there's a ninety nine percent chance that significant amounts of

806
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 4: your inputs come from overseas, and there was no accounting

807
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Speaker 4: made for that in the tariff policy.

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Speaker 3: So the idea would.

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Speaker 4: Be, okay, well, then you're going to encourage domestic manufacturers

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Speaker 4: to make those inputs. But in the meantime, the American

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Speaker 4: companies are just going out of business, and so then

812
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Speaker 4: there's no incentive to have the inputs made domestically because

813
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Speaker 4: your customer are are out of business right or they

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Speaker 4: moved overseas where they don't have to play the tariffs.

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Speaker 5: So Jamison Greer, obviously the trade representative US trade representative,

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Speaker 5: and this is I'm reading from the Eric bamepiece and

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Speaker 5: reason that I just referenced, said he gave two points

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Speaker 5: or two ambitions of the terror strategy, two metrics by

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Speaker 5: which you could judge the terariff strategy. He says, the

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Speaker 5: trade deficit needs to go in the right direction, and

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Speaker 5: manufacturing is a share of GDP needs to go in

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Speaker 5: the right direction. Now, you may agree or disagree with

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Speaker 5: those as metrics, but they're what the administration has set

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Speaker 5: for itself. Bame notes, from January through July, America's trade

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00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 5: deficit was eight hundred and forty billions. It was about

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Speaker 5: twenty three percent larger than during the same months in

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty four. And now he's saying, also Bame is arguing,

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Speaker 5: and I think these are pretty persuasive numbers. The manufacturing

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Speaker 5: sector is being crushed by tariffs, he says. Monthly surveys

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Speaker 5: by the Institute for Supply Management show that overall manufacturing

831
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Speaker 5: activity has declined for seven consecutive months through September. So

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Speaker 5: that's brutal for the aggregate picture. Because the administration has

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Speaker 5: listed all of these examples of manufacturing being brought back

834
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Speaker 5: to the US. The Wall Street Journal highlighted this like

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Speaker 5: fascinating example of Sharpie which bet on the US opened

836
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Speaker 5: this factory in Tennessee, brought new jobs to Tennessee. But

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Speaker 5: then you have the separate survey that Bain points out.

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Speaker 5: This is from the Dallas Federal Reserve in August found

839
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Speaker 5: just two point one percent of business owners believe the

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Speaker 5: tariffs had a positive impact, and in manufacturing, seventy percent

841
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Speaker 5: of firms said they had negative impacts. Seventy percent affirms

842
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Speaker 5: said they had negative impacts from the tariffs. So the

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Speaker 5: aggregate picture as of right now December twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 5: what eight months after Liberation Day is not what the

845
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Speaker 5: administration would want to see. It's not meeting their own

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Speaker 5: goals at this point at all, and so they're going

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Speaker 5: to have to in the new year, I would think, right,

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Speaker 5: and make sharp, significant, dramatic changes to their policies.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think I might have set a year

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Speaker 4: ago that I would One guess I had is that

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Speaker 4: he might just tank the economy for a year and

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Speaker 4: then lift the tariffs. You know, with enough time into

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Speaker 4: the midterms that you've got the.

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Speaker 5: Economy growing again, and it feels like he did it.

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Speaker 3: He's on his way, so we'll now.

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Speaker 5: But like it would feel to consumers like this was

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Speaker 5: a Trump because.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like things are getting better, prices are going down

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Speaker 4: because he lifted the tariffs.

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Speaker 3: That'd be really funny.

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Speaker 4: And then he puts them right back on in like January,

862
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Speaker 4: destroys the economy for another year, and then heading into

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Speaker 4: the presidential election, lifts him again and you know, can

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Speaker 4: just do his own It's a way of doing your

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Speaker 4: own kind of economic policy without having to deal with

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Speaker 4: Congress the same way. He's like taking tariff money and

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Speaker 4: and you know, his tariff policy is destroying the farms,

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Speaker 4: and then he's giving the farmers a giant bailout.

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Speaker 3: Meanwhile, he's betting the entire house on AI.

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Speaker 4: And so let's take a look from more perfect union

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Speaker 4: of what what AI is doing with the money that

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Speaker 4: we're funneling to them.

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Speaker 12: Walk into any grocery store, and on average, everything is

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Speaker 12: about thirty percent more expensive than it was in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 3: Inflation, supply chains.

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Speaker 12: We've heard it all, but what if something else is happening,

877
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 12: something intentional. What if someone who's charged two dollars for

878
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 12: these eggs put another person to charge two forty at

879
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:26,439
Speaker 12: the same exact store, and it's pushing prices up. Five

880
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 12: months ago, a researcher reached out to me about Instacart.

881
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 12: She'd been studying their Washington DC workforce, different pay for

882
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 12: nearly identical work per question, if they do this to workers,

883
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 12: what about consumers. Five months of digging, what we found

884
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 12: is bigger than Instacart. Yes, inflation is real, but something

885
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 12: else has been pushing prices higher this whole time. There's

886
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 12: a system when that grocery stores and tech companies built together.

887
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 3: So you're an instacart user.

888
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 5: I am sort of ashamed to say that, but yes,

889
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 5: I use in stecars.

890
00:48:58,080 --> 00:48:59,760
Speaker 3: Tens of millions of people are using instacard.

891
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean they definitely, you know, they mess with

892
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 5: the prices. Yeah, but it's it's a little bit embarrassing

893
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 5: because I'm trading the convenience of having the groceries delivered

894
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 5: to my door for in some cases definitely higher prices

895
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 5: than if you actually just walked into the store.

896
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 4: So you think they are doing this dynamic pricing quite clearly.

897
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's pretty obvious that they are. I

898
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 5: saw Robbie tweeting in response to this. Some person on

899
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 5: the left was posting the more Perfect Union video, and

900
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 5: Robbie said, hilarious watching a left to discover that the

901
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 5: labor theory of value is indeed wrong. Price is determined

902
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 5: by what you're willing to pay, not what it costs

903
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 5: to make news. You can use Robbie Swabe of course

904
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:42,879
Speaker 5: of reason and the Hill and it's like, yeah, yes,

905
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 5: of course that's what's happening here. It doesn't mean that

906
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 5: it's moral or good if they are price gouging. I mean,

907
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 5: price gouging is you know that it is not defensible.

908
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 5: After a certain level and on certain goods. I mean,

909
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 5: like I would pay Mark Screlly life savings for a

910
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 5: life saving treatment. Doesn't mean he should be able to

911
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 5: charge me three thousand percent of what it costs to

912
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 5: make that life saving treatment, or that he should do

913
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 5: it right.

914
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 4: Basically, what Robbie wants is the entire global economy to

915
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 4: operate like a Bangkok market for tourists, where the tourists

916
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 4: come in there and the price you pay is based

917
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:29,800
Speaker 4: on you know, what the seller thinks.

918
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 3: He can extract from you.

919
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know what your your ability to kind

920
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 4: of fool them and you're desperate and your desperation level.

921
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 4: They want to take, you know, mass surveillance so that

922
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 4: they can figure out, you know, how desperate you are

923
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:50,800
Speaker 4: for whatever particular you know, product or services on offer,

924
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 4: and how much money you can pay toward that, how

925
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 4: much credit you have, how much willingness you have to

926
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 4: play out that credit, throw that in their algorithm and

927
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 4: then produce the maximum price that they think they can

928
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 4: extract from you.

929
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 3: That is a.

930
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 4: Libertarian dream, yes, truly, and we're living in that nightmare.

931
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:19,320
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, the instacart and dynamic pricing is testing

932
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,479
Speaker 5: the libertarian dream in real time. I send a story

933
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 5: to you guys the other day. We didn't verify it. It

934
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:28,839
Speaker 5: sounds it's accurate, but it sounds very accurate. But take

935
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 5: this for what you will. It was like one of

936
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 5: the DC local blogs, someone pulled into a parking garage

937
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 5: and the dynamic pricing had the charge at twenty eight

938
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 5: dollars by the time they left. And I don't know

939
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 5: how that worked, if it was the price was in

940
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 5: flux when you pulled in or whatever. But the dynamic

941
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 5: pricing stuff happening in real time is going to suck

942
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 5: so hard. Sucks so hard because if you're organizing your

943
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 5: life around particular prices, which is what people who live

944
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 5: paycheck to paycheck, which is most of the country actually do.

945
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 5: For example, this part of my routine, I go to

946
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 5: Wendy's for coffee and breakfast because it costs X amount

947
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:10,840
Speaker 5: of money that I've budgeted. Well, if Wendy's does dynamic

948
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 5: pricing and changes that part of your budget, yes you're

949
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:15,839
Speaker 5: going to have to change. But it's just going to

950
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 5: piss people off. Like I mean, talk about class consciousness.

951
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 5: That's going to spark some real backlash.

952
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 3: Yep and put up C four here.

953
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:30,479
Speaker 4: Despite the economy cruising at this a plus plus plus

954
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:36,720
Speaker 4: plus plus plus rating, the bankruptcies are at their highest

955
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 4: rates since the financial is a great financial crisis, which

956
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 4: is weird. That must be you know, poor personal decision

957
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 4: making on the part of a lot of Americans, given

958
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 4: that Trump has gifted you with this incredible economy.

959
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 3: So a lot of people participating in this hoax here.

960
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 5: The politics of this, obviously the administration is realizing, are

961
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 5: a nightmare. And that's why they sent Trump Pennsylvania last

962
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 5: night to deliver the speech where he said he wasn't

963
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 5: allowed to call affordability a hoax and has did it

964
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 5: multiple times. So they're going to have to put their

965
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 5: heads together in the new year about those midterm cycle

966
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 5: because this, you know, when you have something like Jack

967
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 5: Sherman reported, maybe twenty House members Republican House members contemplating retirement,

968
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 5: they could be looking at a blood bath.

969
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, and Matt van Apps, who beat Afton Baine recently,

970
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 4: basically almost never talked about Trump. Like one thing you're

971
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 4: noticing in a lot of these elections is that Trump

972
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 4: is where he used to be helpful, and having him

973
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 4: on the ballot was useful. That's not that Republicans don't

974
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 4: take it for me. Take it from Republicans. Republicans don't

975
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 4: think that's the case anymore. But Susie Wiles, so I

976
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 4: have bad news for those Republicans. Susie Wiles went on

977
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 4: what was this the mom view? She's the I think

978
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 4: soon to be former White House Chief staff saying that

979
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 4: he's going to party like it's twenty twenty four.

980
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 13: Typically, you in the midterms, it's not about who's sitting

981
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 13: at the White House, it's you localize the election and

982
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 13: you keep the federal officials out of it. We're actually

983
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 13: going to turn that on its head good and put

984
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 13: him on the ballot because so many of those low

985
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 13: propensity voters are Trump voters. Yes they are, and we

986
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 13: saw a wee could go Tuesday. What happens when he's

987
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 13: not on the ballot and not active.

988
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 5: So I haven't quite broken.

989
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 13: It to him yet, but he's going to campaign like

990
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 13: it's twenty twenty four. Again, for all these people that

991
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 13: he helps. He doesn't help everybody, but for those he does,

992
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:43,320
Speaker 13: he's a difference maker and he's certainly a turnout machine.

993
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 13: So the midterms will be very important to us. He'll

994
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 13: work very hard to keep the material, and he'll use himself,

995
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 13: and he'll use his money that he's raised, probably his

996
00:54:55,840 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 13: money too, and nobody can outwork him. So there's every

997
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 13: reason to be confident, but we have to actually get

998
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 13: it done.

999
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 4: So I think Democrats are pretty excited at the idea

1000
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 4: that Trump will be out on the campaign trail constantly

1001
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 4: saying that affordability is a hoax. However, can we confirm

1002
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,359
Speaker 4: that does even a show? What is this mom view thing?

1003
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,240
Speaker 5: I like how they're like permanently stuck in two thousand

1004
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 5: and two. It seems like they're trapped into with their audio. Yeah,

1005
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 5: it was that was rough. I don't know what that is,

1006
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:31,359
Speaker 5: but it for Susie Wilds, I think the strategy of

1007
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 5: sending Trump everywhere during the midterms is like you can

1008
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 5: see the wisdom and that Trump motivates a section of

1009
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:43,320
Speaker 5: the GOP base to vote, and without him on the ballot,

1010
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 5: Republicans really suffer. And a lot of people took that

1011
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 5: as a lesson from what just happened in the off

1012
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 5: your cycle. Now that happened in twenty eighteen, It's happened

1013
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 5: consistently since Trump has been the leader of the Republican

1014
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 5: Party that mid elections off your elections are real struggles

1015
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 5: for Republicans. So the wisdom of having Trump on the

1016
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 5: campaign trail is that you're motivating the Trump coalition, which

1017
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 5: other candidates have still never figured out how to replicate.

1018
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:19,320
Speaker 5: The only person who really has is maybe Glenn Youngkin

1019
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 5: in Virginia in a very particular, very particular time. But

1020
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:28,919
Speaker 5: without Trump, you have this massive advantage for Democrats because

1021
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 5: their coalition votes in midterms and off your elections. We're

1022
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:33,959
Speaker 5: going to talk about this later in the show. Because

1023
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 5: it's increasingly affluent and increasingly motivated to vote, and the

1024
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 5: opposite of true is true of Republicans. So if you

1025
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 5: have the affluent voters who are highly motivated, highly plugged

1026
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 5: into the news cycle coming out during the mid terms,

1027
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,879
Speaker 5: they're going to be more likely to vote for Democrats now,

1028
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 5: and the Republicans who like Trump but don't like the

1029
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 5: Republican Party on average, those types of voters that you

1030
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 5: need to make up the difference in the middle, they're

1031
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 5: not going to come out for you know, your your

1032
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 5: average Joe Chamber of Commerce.

1033
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 4: We have some evidence of that last night. We have

1034
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 4: some good news from Republicans yesterday. We we'll get through

1035
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:15,840
Speaker 4: in a second, but some bad news as well. We

1036
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 4: can put up C six here. So Trump won the

1037
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 4: Miami by like twenty one or twenty two points or

1038
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 4: something like that, a real blowout in the exact same

1039
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 4: area Democrats won in a landslide. I think it was

1040
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 4: like a twenty two point swing or something. Trump is

1041
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 4: plummeting with young people, plummeting with Hispanic voters, including in Miami,

1042
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 4: which is sometimes you know which is which is a

1043
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 4: different set of Hispanic voters than the rest of the country.

1044
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 3: You put up C seven.

1045
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 4: There were also elections elsewhere around the country, so you

1046
00:57:57,920 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 4: had a.

1047
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 3: Through Florida. You had the old.

1048
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 5: Villages, Bran's old stomping grounds.

1049
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 4: You had in each of these special elections, you had

1050
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 4: fifteen to fifteen to twenty points swings. While while you're chatting,

1051
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 4: I can pull up a couple others, because there were

1052
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 4: other elections that had everywhere from ten to thirty. They

1053
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 4: flipped one in in a very rural district with a

1054
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 4: candidate who had lost by like twenty plus points. He

1055
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 4: won yesterday in like a house, you know, the state house,

1056
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 4: like special election.

1057
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 3: So the same pattern. We're seeing.

1058
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 4: The same pattern we saw in Tennessee and we've seen

1059
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 4: in other special elections continuing.

1060
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, it feels a lot like twenty eighteen. Doesn't

1061
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 5: feel new, but it does feel a lot like twenty

1062
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 5: eighteen for Democrats now they were on Actually it might

1063
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 5: even be more powerful cycle of Democrats because then we'll

1064
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 5: remember those campaigns were so focused on Russia collusion and

1065
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 5: Russia in general and trying to kind of muster this

1066
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 5: resistant spirit to the question of Trump, like shattering norms

1067
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 5: and all of that. What we're going to talk about now.

1068
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 3: I think, oh, it was Georgia, by the way.

1069
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 5: Georgia, and you know those we talked about.

1070
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 3: Trump plus twelve district and Democrats flipped it.

1071
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 5: About a month ago. We were talking about these random

1072
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 5: down ballot races local elections in Georgia where because of

1073
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 5: data centers in some cases, Democrats were winning. It's now

1074
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 5: a pattern, obviously not a pattern, which is why scuse

1075
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 5: why I was talking about how Donald Trump is going

1076
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 5: to campaign like it's twenty twenty four in the twenty

1077
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 5: twenty six midterms. But in twenty eighteen, Democrats had this idea,

1078
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 5: like they had this plan to campaign almost. I don't

1079
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 5: want to call it fully cultural, but it was kind

1080
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 5: of this cultural question of rejecting trump Ism and rejecting

1081
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 5: collusion with Russia, rejecting what Trump stood for, and that

1082
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 5: helped motivate the base. It didn't help in presidential cycles.

1083
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 5: I mean, I guess it helped in twenty twenty, although

1084
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 5: I still think that's it's kind of difficult to say

1085
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 5: what really like in terms of what put Biden over

1086
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 5: the edge. There's the COVID question. Of course, would Trump

1087
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 5: have won if if it weren't COVID? I don't know.

1088
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 5: But all that is to say, Trump comes back after

1089
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 5: the law fair and claims this bigger victory than before

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Speaker 5: in twenty twenty four. And the problem for Republicans isn't

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Speaker 5: that Trump can't get elected probably this last term. The

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Speaker 5: problem is none of the other Republicans are Trump. And

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Speaker 5: that's where, for example, we can put C eight up

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Speaker 5: on the screen. This is a report from Notice RSC

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Speaker 5: so the National Republican Senatorial Committee. According to notice, and

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Speaker 5: I confirmed this actually this morning ran a quote astrotur

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Speaker 5: recruitment process to push Jasmin Crockett into the Texas Senate race.

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Speaker 5: Ryan you said they robo called hyperpensity. Democrats urged them

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Speaker 5: to call Jasmin Crockett's office, then connected the caller to

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Speaker 5: the office. They pushed poles, suggesting that she would win.

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Speaker 5: Crockett believed this hype and then launched her run, which

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Speaker 5: is completely predictable. It's why the NRSC was like, this

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Speaker 5: is going to be super cheap, and we'll give us

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Speaker 5: Jasmine Crockett to run against in all of these different

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Speaker 5: races around the country. It's not just about Texas, where

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Speaker 5: they feel fine about John Cornan. I'm sure they'd rather

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Speaker 5: I'm sure they would rather run with Cornan than Ken Pack.

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Speaker 3: Percent want Cornan, but he's losing now right.

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Speaker 5: We'll see. I mean, there's a question of whether Crockett

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Speaker 5: getting in makes Paxton's life easier because he can say

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Speaker 5: character is probably not going to be on the ballot.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, because Paxton can win.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he might say something like that. But either way,

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Speaker 5: Republicans feel pretty comfortable in Texas is my sense of it.

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Speaker 5: You know, they've they've never been last ten years super comfortable,

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Speaker 5: but they feel pretty comfortable.

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Speaker 3: Were they nervous if it was going to be the

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Speaker 3: like Colin al the Little White Guy or Colin Alred

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Speaker 3: tall Rico.

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Speaker 5: I think Tallerico makes them nervous for sure. I don't

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Speaker 5: know that. I haven't confirmed that it's I know it's crazy.

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Speaker 5: I think that maybe they're buying into the hype of

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Speaker 5: Tallarico going.

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Speaker 4: On him against Paxton Corning Winds, I think easily right.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so Tallarico against Paxton would be really

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Speaker 5: interesting because tall Ico could plausibly make a character argument

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Speaker 5: against Paxton, who has a character characters, scandals in his

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Speaker 5: in his past.

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Speaker 3: But you're you're a Christian? Does does the fact that

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Speaker 3: like absolutely not.

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Speaker 4: No, he feels like a a Democrats version.

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Speaker 5: Of it, Like that's exactly of an evangelical Christian. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: that's exactly right. He doesn't speak the lang which of

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Speaker 5: evangelical Christianity. He speaks the language of like, which is of.

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Speaker 3: A by kind like the social justice like.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I would of course argue that Christianity is

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Speaker 5: predicated on social justice. But what you're saying is this,

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Speaker 5: like this kind of niche politicized social justice. And I

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Speaker 5: don't mean politicized in a pejorative sense. I mean that

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Speaker 5: it has a political connotation. The language has a political

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Speaker 5: connotation and it's a very different language than what your

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Speaker 5: average Texas evangelical speaks. And so the media sees tall

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Speaker 5: Rico and DC people see Tallarico talking about scripture and

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Speaker 5: they're like, oh, do we have something here. This guy

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Speaker 5: could really give Conservative Christians a run for their money.

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Speaker 5: And it's like nobody is buying that as their own,

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Speaker 5: like one of their own. So it's yeah, I think

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Speaker 5: it's kind of a DC phenomena. But Republicans are not

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Speaker 5: immune to that at all. You know, people sitting at

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Speaker 5: the NSC I definitely would find that compelling, I think.

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Speaker 3: And so Crockett announced that she was running yesterday.

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Speaker 4: In her announcement speech, she said that she saw the poles,

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Speaker 4: she saw herself rising in the polls. And so let's

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Speaker 4: linger for a second on what the Republicans pulled off here.

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Speaker 4: And you're that's interesting that you were able to confirm it.

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Speaker 4: I'd be curious if you get from your source whether

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Speaker 4: they also ran a like bought reply campaign, Like if like,

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Speaker 4: if I were, then what I would do is every

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Speaker 4: time Crockett would tweet, you know, she's hyper online checking

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Speaker 4: her replies, just reply.

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Speaker 3: You need to run for Senate? Run for Senate. This brilliant,

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Speaker 3: brilliant tweet, go get them now run for Senate.

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Speaker 4: So what they did, Crockett was not in the polls

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Speaker 4: that were comparing the that were in the Democratic polls

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Speaker 4: or the head to heads. So the NRSC ran a

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Speaker 4: poll asking, you know, putting Crockett in, it's clever.

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Speaker 5: Nobody had been talking about it, nobody.

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Speaker 4: And she's popular, like among the Democratic base, and so

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Speaker 4: Poles showed, oh wow, she's looking actually pretty good. So

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Speaker 4: they pushed that poll all the all the press, and

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Speaker 4: they get some coverage around it, and then future pollsters said, well, okay,

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Speaker 4: well now Crocketts in the press will include her an

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Speaker 4: hour poll too, and so she could consistently performed well and.

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Speaker 5: Her name recognition's way higher than random state, right as

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Speaker 5: somebody member totally.

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Speaker 4: And so then there's this technology you've maybe been on

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Speaker 4: the receiving end of it, where you robo call, you

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Speaker 4: get a voter file with like, and you can say, like,

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Speaker 4: who who are the big Democratic activists and this give

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Speaker 4: me one hundred thousand Democratic activists. You robo call them

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Speaker 4: and say, you know, we're from ex sounding nice group.

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Speaker 4: Jasmin Crocket should run for Senate, Like, if you agree,

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Speaker 4: press one, press one, would you like to call Jasmine

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Speaker 4: Crockett's office and urge her to run for Senate?

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Speaker 3: If so, press two or whatever.

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Speaker 4: So you press two, and then right there on the phone,

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Speaker 4: they connect you with the office. And so the office

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Speaker 4: is talking to a genuine human being who genuinely wants

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Speaker 4: Jasmine Crockett. But they were never going to call if

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Speaker 4: they NRC hadn't reached out and prodded them to do it.

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Speaker 4: So then at the end of every day Crockett and

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Speaker 4: I sympathize with her on this front. She's getting these

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Speaker 4: reports from her staff like we're getting flooded with phone

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Speaker 4: calls from constituents who really need say that you should

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Speaker 4: run for Senate. Now, Democrats have done this pied piper

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Speaker 4: type stuff to Republicans, and sometimes it works and they

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Speaker 4: get a terrible candidate in there.

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Speaker 5: Well, Democrats push Trump, for example.

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Speaker 3: And they sometimes it backfires yea.

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Speaker 4: And sometimes even when it doesn't work, you increase the

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Speaker 4: nastiness and the polarization by cementing a particular type of

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Speaker 4: by artificially cementing a particular type of candidate, Because now

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Speaker 4: Crockett will have the support of her own base, Plus

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Speaker 4: she'll have Republicans support out there because and the Republicans

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Speaker 4: have said that they're going to fund some like independent expenditures,

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Speaker 4: So outside groups are going to be out there attacking

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Speaker 4: Taller Rico and boosting Crocket paid for by Republicans, right right, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I mean the point of running Jasmin Crocket, or the

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Speaker 5: point of nudging Jasmine Crockett into the race isn't even

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Speaker 5: just about Texas. It's about having this worked really successfully

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Speaker 5: for Republicans in twenty ten when it came to Nancy Pelosi.

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Speaker 5: It's kind of laughable to again like Beltway types like, oh, really,

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Speaker 5: you're running fire Pelosi ad campaigns. But when you're tying

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Speaker 5: a San Francisco liberal to the to let's say, a

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Speaker 5: Tallarico type candidate in a red state, that's actually pretty effective.

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Speaker 5: And so if you're going to tie Jasmine Crockett, who

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Speaker 5: has said that what was a Latinos who vote for

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Speaker 5: Trump have a slave mentality, I mean she said all

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Speaker 5: kinds of just reckless stuff. Because she reminds me of

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Speaker 5: Jennifer Welch in this sense, there's this vacuum of Democrats

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Speaker 5: willing to break rhetorical norms in the same way that

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Speaker 5: Trump does, and so they stepped into that void, but

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Speaker 5: they're not necessarily like going to be persuasive figures to

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Speaker 5: swing voters. And so Democrats lack the person that can

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Speaker 5: do both that both. They lack the person that's willing

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Speaker 5: to violate rhetorical norms like Trump has done and like

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Speaker 5: voters are happy to see them do, but then also

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Speaker 5: be appealing swing voters. I think Grant Platner is the

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Speaker 5: best example of somebody who actually that.

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Speaker 3: He's doing that. Now.

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Speaker 4: AOC in twenty eighteen did that in the way that

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Speaker 4: Bernie does it for sure, and twenty twenty the way

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Speaker 4: that she would like her like concert presence on Instagram,

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Speaker 4: her Twitter clapbacks yes when that was the thing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, although that Crockett takes that to another level, and

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Speaker 5: Waltch takes that to another level. And I think Watch

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Speaker 5: doesn't running for anything, So it's apples and oranges in

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Speaker 5: that case. But I just think their crocket is the

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01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:57,519
Speaker 5: crocket rhetoric when it's if it were I think clever

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Speaker 5: and smart, which it often isn't, you know, when you're

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Speaker 5: just accusing people of taking money.

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Speaker 4: But it's well done right, Like the the butch thing

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Speaker 4: that she pulled MGG, I couldn't.

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Speaker 3: I couldn't pull that off. I was masterful.

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Speaker 5: You believe she believes what she says when she's talking

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01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:14,800
Speaker 5: about some of that stuff. Now when she's talking about

1247
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:17,880
Speaker 5: crypto Ryan, you reported this in your book. I don't

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Speaker 5: know that she really believes anything.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the substance doesn't match the rhetorical norm breaking. She

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Speaker 4: and also in twenty twenty, she celebrated herself for not

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01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:31,040
Speaker 4: taking corporate PAC money compared to her opponent.

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Speaker 3: Within months of that started taking corporate PAC money.

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Speaker 4: Has taken like over three hundred thousand now in corporate

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Speaker 4: Pac money since she's been in Congress. Yes, she's gotten

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Speaker 4: millions in support from crypto Yeah. In my book, I

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01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:50,599
Speaker 4: reported that Basically the campaign was like, look, we might

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Speaker 4: get attacked by these crypto people.

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Speaker 3: How she handle this? She's like, well, what's what are

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Speaker 3: the options?

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Speaker 4: They're like, well, if here's the crypto plank, Like, here's

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Speaker 4: here's what they want you to say. She was like,

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Speaker 4: how much is it if you say this, Like they

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01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:04,200
Speaker 4: will support you and give you money. If you don't

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01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:09,400
Speaker 4: say this, they will come after you. And she's like

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Speaker 4: she said very much, what do I have to do

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01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:13,679
Speaker 4: kind of candidate. She's like, okay, fine, I'm not running.

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Speaker 4: And so to give her like the steel Man on this,

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Speaker 4: it's like she doesn't care about Crypto, right, and a

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Speaker 4: lot of people don't.

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Speaker 3: Right. It's like so she's like whatever, Like who cares?

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Speaker 5: How much does it cost?

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Speaker 4: Just sign the whatever they say they want, just because

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Speaker 4: if I don't sign it, they're going to Nukemi because

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01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:35,680
Speaker 4: they were going around nuking everybody that was like remotely

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Speaker 4: like questioning Crypto. So you can justify it to yourself, Well,

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Speaker 4: I'll never get into Congress to do the good things

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Speaker 4: I care about if I take a stand on this

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Speaker 4: thing that I frankly honestly don't care about. She also,

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Speaker 4: you know, it's a similar on Israel, like twenty twenty

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Speaker 4: three took an APAC funded trip, has consistently voted to

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Speaker 4: send weapons to Israel, And there's some clips going viral

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Speaker 4: now of defending our allyship with Israel. So you get

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01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:07,240
Speaker 4: the kind of squad like rhetoric, but it's not matched

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01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:11,160
Speaker 4: with you know, any type of like policy that would

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Speaker 4: challenge corporate power.

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Speaker 5: For more checkout ruying Groom's TikTok so we' we were

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Speaker 5: miss if we didn't play a little snippet here from

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Speaker 5: Brad landers announcement video is challenging, Dan Goldman. Let's take

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Speaker 5: a look. Hi Rad, good morning. Great to see you.

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Speaker 3: This community means everything to me.

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Speaker 6: It's where Meg and I raised Mark and Rosa, and

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Speaker 6: where we've worked together for years to make life better

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Speaker 6: for our neighbors.

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Speaker 14: Brad rooted out waste and corruption, divested billions in fossil fuels,

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Speaker 14: built housing New Yorkers can afford, saved fifty thousand families

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Speaker 14: from being kicked out of their homes.

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Speaker 6: When Donald Trump and Elon Musk tried to steal eighty

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Speaker 6: million dollars from New York.

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Speaker 5: City, Brat caught it.

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Speaker 3: And when Ice ages started kidnapping our neighbors, I fought.

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Speaker 5: Back, kay fighting, But.

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Speaker 3: I think a look at this medio is brand Lander

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Speaker 3: being arrested by Ice.

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Speaker 6: I've always believed that you fight for the things you love,

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Speaker 6: and I love this city. I love the streets where

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Speaker 6: I walked my kids to school, the public schools that

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Speaker 6: nurtured their curiosity, the fields in Prospect Park where I coach.

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Speaker 3: Their Little League games. But most of.

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Speaker 6: All, I love the people who make this city what

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Speaker 6: it is. So I'm running for Congress because the challenges

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Speaker 6: we face can't be solved with strongly worded letters or

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Speaker 6: high dollar fundraisers, and not by doing apax. Fitting in

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Speaker 6: a district that knows our safety, our freedom are thriving,

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Speaker 6: is bound up together our mayor an ally in Washington

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Speaker 6: instead of an adversary in his own backyard at a

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Speaker 6: moment of dark oppression, we can shine right.

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Speaker 5: And you know Brad Lander, we had him on the

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Speaker 5: show actually not too long ago. What do you make

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Speaker 5: of this announcement.

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Speaker 4: This is a very welcome announcement to the kind of

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Speaker 4: mom Donny coalition Mom. Donnie immediately endorsed Bernie Sanders has endorsed.

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Speaker 4: You Lyn Knew, who came within like a point or

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Speaker 4: two of beating Dan Goldman the first time he ran,

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Speaker 4: was running again and she dropped out, and she put

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Speaker 4: up a heartfelt thread that I'll encourage people to go

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Speaker 4: find where she said, Look, we lost last time because

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Speaker 4: the left did not consolidate. You had Mandair Jones build

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Speaker 4: a Blasio, which a lot of people forget. I totally forgot,

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Speaker 4: and you Lynn Knew all splitting the vote, and it

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Speaker 4: allowed Dan Goldman Levi strauss Air to spend his own

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Speaker 4: fortune and kind of Stull to victory with like thirty

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Speaker 4: What you know, because it's first past the post, you

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Speaker 4: don't have to do a runoff. So so with a

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Speaker 4: divided opposition, Goldman was able to get in. And so

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Speaker 4: what what you land knew is signaling is that everybody

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Speaker 4: should get out and let this be a one on

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Speaker 4: one Goldman versus Lander. And you know, if you know,

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Speaker 4: Goldman can spend an enormous amount of money because he

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Speaker 4: has it and can raise it.

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Speaker 3: But Lander's going to be able to.

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Speaker 4: Raise small dollars too, from from the Bernie wing of

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Speaker 4: the party.

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Speaker 3: So you know, I think this is Landers to lose Man.

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Speaker 5: This is going to be one to follow a couple. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I think Krocko versus Tall Rico is also just an

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Speaker 5: interesting test of the different strands and a Democratic party.

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Speaker 5: Right now you have tall Rico running sort of Biden

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Speaker 5: with maybe a slightly more Burnie aligned. I don't even

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Speaker 5: know if you can say that, because he's also a

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Speaker 5: big APAC guy. He took money from Miriam Madelson, I believe.

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Speaker 5: I don't know the particulars of the Apac connection.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, and when it's you know, Goldman's move would

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Speaker 4: be to say that criticism of his support for Israel.

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Speaker 3: Is anti Semitic.

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Speaker 5: Oh, he'll definitely do that.

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Speaker 4: Telling that to Brad Land are the highest ranking Jewish

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Speaker 4: elected official in New York, supported by Bernie Sanders, the

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Speaker 4: most famous Jewish elected official from New York. Isn't going

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Speaker 4: to land the same way it's going to land against

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Speaker 4: a mom, Donnie.

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Speaker 5: It's just not especially post oroon. Yeah, and with Taliki

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Speaker 5: you have this almost Biden style, we will restore norms

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Speaker 5: and civility, and Crockett is the opposite, but their populism

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Speaker 5: is reversed. Like you have this interesting if these are

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Speaker 5: the two character traits, you have kind of populism at

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Speaker 5: least Talarico kind of runs and tries to make people

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Speaker 5: think he's populous. We would probably disagree with that characterization.

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Speaker 5: And love of norms versus non populism and hatred of norms.

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Speaker 5: You're sort of switching. It's a little bit interesting role reversal.

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Speaker 5: So these are some really interesting tests coming up for Democrats.

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Speaker 4: The Wood British Action