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Speaker 1: Remember all your combines.

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Speaker 2: So we have a combine stat for an outside linebacker,

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Speaker 2: but the prize is offensive tackles. Jersey, Yeah, just wanted

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Speaker 2: to make sure. I'm not exactly sure what that is. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I would I would have thought you would have had signed. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: well signed or Alex he Smith whoever. The winner is

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Speaker 2: maybe Nick Herbeck draft class. He's an outside linebacker. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: What was your uh uh? What was the.

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Speaker 3: Combine stat that you were most proud of anything in particular?

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Speaker 4: We're satisfying. I don't want to say proud, but.

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Speaker 2: I think i'd probably say it was my short shuttle,

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Speaker 2: the five to ten five shuttle.

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Speaker 4: It was probably my I felt like that was.

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Speaker 2: One that I did really well in because that was

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Speaker 4: So that was probably I think that one. And maybe

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Speaker 4: my three cone because I really worked.

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Speaker 2: Because the three I mean, because like all of these,

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Speaker 2: like there's a specific choreography that's a test with each one.

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Speaker 2: Outside of the broad jump and the high jumpt you

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Speaker 2: know or yeah they're vertical like the other ones, there's

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Speaker 2: order so even for the forty, like how much depth

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Speaker 2: Usain Boltz and all the guys in the world that

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Speaker 4: I should be done in thirty two steps. You know

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Speaker 4: what I'm saying. They're counting their steps and their turnover.

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Speaker 2: Same thing is with that, like for the five ten

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Speaker 4: And so I just remember rehearsing all those things.

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Speaker 2: And for the l drill, it's to the cone five

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Speaker 2: So those were the ones I really worked hard on.

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Speaker 2: So those are the ones I was really proud of it.

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Speaker 2: I ran those here at the combine. I did not

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Speaker 2: run my forty at the combine because that was last

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Speaker 2: for us when we were going through all the drills,

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Speaker 2: So we did all the other drills first, and then

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Speaker 2: I pulled my hamstraight and I'm like, yeah, no, that's

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Speaker 2: not happening. I'm like, I'm not going to embrass myself

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Speaker 2: and on turf because it's old RCA dome at the time.

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Speaker 2: It's not the better field condition, the more gravvy stuff.

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Speaker 4: And so you're wearing sneakers for all of these events.

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Speaker 4: Back then, did you trained for the forty I did?

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Speaker 4: I did, And then it mattered none when I got.

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Speaker 1: To right on my product faster you were ramone.

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Speaker 4: I'm definitely faster than we're Okay, Absolutely, you didn't nosebleed

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Speaker 4: though I definitely did not have a nose, but it

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Speaker 3: If you missed yesterday's broadcast, at least when we were on,

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Speaker 3: Max told the story, you were dead set you were

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Speaker 3: going to be a Philadelphia Eagle.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, because I had the meetings at Senior Bowl,

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Speaker 2: I had the meetings at Combine, I had a private workout,

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Speaker 4: They flew me to Philly and I had and I

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Speaker 1: Yeah already figuring out what, you know, which cheese steak

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Speaker 4: Which was my favorite? You know? Am I am? Am?

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Speaker 2: I going to defect from genos and passing and go.

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Speaker 2: You know, I was where in town I wanted to live.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I thought I was gonna be a Philadelphia

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Speaker 2: Eagle because the Steelers I had bare barely spoke to them.

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Speaker 2: I spoke to them once and then, like I said,

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Speaker 2: Coach Cower came to came to my pro date just

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Speaker 4: That's last I saw Coach Caler. I was like, he

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Speaker 2: He didn't raft anybody else from my squad that year.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, so so, I mean it was so that.

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Speaker 2: So that's why this combine, like all of this, you

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Speaker 2: could never get in love with the guy that gets

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Speaker 4: Remember when remember can he Pickett draft Blik Willis. Remember

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Speaker 4: how much time coach Tomlins spent with Leik. He was

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Speaker 2: He was a guy that they were talking to. I mean, everybody,

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Speaker 2: Oh god, Milik Willis, He's gonna come here.

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Speaker 4: Where's Milik Willis.

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Speaker 1: Now I remember, you know, so I had heard that

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Speaker 1: the Steelers will take him. And then I fell into

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Speaker 1: the whole thing with and then you do your final

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Speaker 1: mock drafts and everything, and quarterback lasting till twenty is rare.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're talking first one, the first one that long,

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Speaker 1: More extremely rare. And so you know, I ended up

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Speaker 1: mocking Malik Wellis to the Steelers because Picket.

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Speaker 4: Was gone, yeah, exactly exactly.

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Speaker 2: And it was one of those things that was crazy

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Speaker 2: it is. It is a thin quarterback class, but quarterback

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Speaker 2: unheard of. So you're right, You're like, well, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: You know, people talk, well, see if they'd take him

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Speaker 1: you know, and you know the book is it written

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Speaker 1: on those I always bring up Gino Smith again with

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Speaker 4: Now he's new life.

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Speaker 1: He's just yeah, he's different.

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Speaker 4: He's a seahawk. Yeah, he's see.

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Speaker 2: I mean, people don't even remember those giant years off

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Speaker 1: But yeah, Warner is the same way. You know, those

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Speaker 2: Spot giants again, right, you're like, no, and you know

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Speaker 2: I mean, look at Baker Mayfield, right, Who would have

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Speaker 4: Still have success and play well.

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Speaker 2: So you know, you can't pour dirt on everybody because

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Speaker 2: you never know what yesterday's trash is gonna be today's treasure.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: And Max the opposite too of what we talked about

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Speaker 3: And I bring that up because a month or so

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Speaker 4: He's a packer boy. They're getting him.

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Speaker 3: And right before the Packers pick at thirty two, the

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Speaker 3: And we hear you know, the Cowboys were on the

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Speaker 4: Yeah when the Steelers took him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, when the Steelers took him, and so yeah, that

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Speaker 3: that happens too.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it happens. I mean because and so on the

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Speaker 2: Before I got back with the Steelers, I was covering

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Speaker 2: the Cardinals drafts and I remember vividly the Patrick Mahomes draft.

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Speaker 2: Cardinals are sitting at fifteen and they're like, Patrick Mahoons

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Speaker 4: Talk.

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Speaker 2: I talked to Byron Leftwich before that, and we're pulling

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Speaker 4: I'm on the.

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Speaker 2: Airwaves doing the draft coverage. I'm like, boy, and then boom,

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Speaker 4: That that was our quarter that there's our quarterback. What happened?

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Speaker 4: What happened? And just think about that. Imagine Patrick Mahomes

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Speaker 1: Would he be the same guy?

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Speaker 3: That's the thing about the Chiefs. That's why you gotta

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Speaker 3: give him props. They had a successful quarterback with Alex Smith.

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Speaker 3: But that was their plan. They were looking to the future,

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Speaker 3: and wow did they make that right?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? So, I mean so it happens all the time.

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Speaker 2: And that's why when we talk about this, are you

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Speaker 2: you can get that potential ten fifteen years out of

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Speaker 2: Sometimes you need a crockpot and now everything's a microwave oven, right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, let a guy sit, let him learn,

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Speaker 2: let him adapt, let him get into his NFL body

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Speaker 2: eighteen year.

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Speaker 1: Look at Jordan Love. You know Jordan Love's first couple

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Speaker 1: not good, no, not at all. But as he played

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Speaker 1: last year, he got better and better and better. And

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Speaker 1: you know, you wonder if he had have done that

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what, I couldn't be more impressed with

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Speaker 3: He stands in that pocket and man, I'm very impressed

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Speaker 2: So I had Jordan Love as a sophomore in a

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Speaker 2: I'm like, And so then sophomore year, junior year under

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Speaker 2: And then the Steelers game he was okay but couldn't

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was building.

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Speaker 4: What guten Kus did they beat to who they beat before?

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Speaker 1: They were the only offense last year that was younger

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Speaker 4: Yeah, man, you probably noticed. Answered.

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Speaker 3: Do you know how many wide receivers they carry on

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Speaker 2: And they got and they drafted two tight ends consecutively,

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Speaker 1: They drafted last year, three receivers two years ago.

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Speaker 4: He just wasn't big enough.

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Speaker 3: But miss Steelers have four and I don't really count

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Speaker 2: And now it's like, well he did what Aaron didn't

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Speaker 4: Yeah and stuff. So that's why you draft three straight

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Speaker 3: And on top of that, I like those two running backs,

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, no what And so Aaron Jones, you know,

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Speaker 1: They drafted three running backs that year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah's gonna work. But they use so many of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they carry him and they put and they're dressing

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Speaker 4: Every week and not afraid to use any of them. Yeah, yeah, no.

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Speaker 2: And that's the one thing that's that was pretty pretty

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Speaker 4: I mean I had them four times.

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Speaker 3: I always remember something Kevin colebrit said when you you know,

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Speaker 2: To put the ball in the air. Now, pass rush

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Speaker 1: I think about that twenty ten draft. You take Emmanuel

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and and then and look at what their were

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean so, you know, and that was a

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Speaker 2: It's like they saw something in both those guys to say, no, y'all,

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Speaker 4: When you think of Adrian.

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Speaker 3: mean that in itself, of course, he's in the Hall

443
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Speaker 3: of Fame. That in itself is Hall of Fame worthy.

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Speaker 3: To do what he did to get his body prepared

445
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Speaker 3: with the punishment he took is really incredible.

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Speaker 2: No, it's one of those things when you have those

447
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Speaker 2: generational running backs that can that can defy age and

448
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Speaker 2: defy wear and tear. It's a it's a it's a

449
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Speaker 2: it's a special thing. And when you look at certain guys,

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Speaker 2: you know, Derrick Henry probably won't get to that point,

451
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Speaker 2: but he'll be close, and you just wonder, what do

452
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Speaker 2: these guys do it?

453
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Speaker 4: Because I remember Jerome. I remember if you saw Jerome on.

454
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Speaker 2: A Monday, Oh yeah, after a game, it's like you're

455
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Speaker 2: you're you're trying to reach for a walker, you know,

456
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Speaker 2: or a cane or something you know, to help him out.

457
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Speaker 2: But by Sunday he's ready to rock and roll and

458
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Speaker 2: to get his body ready for that is I mean,

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Speaker 2: what he went through, what he had to do to

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Speaker 2: get himself ready. And because you have to remember after

461
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Speaker 2: a form he wanted to retire, Like we had to

462
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Speaker 2: beg him to come back. He was like I'm done,

463
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Speaker 2: like I'm physically and we're like, no, you got to

464
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Speaker 2: come back.

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Speaker 4: We need you for one more year.

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Speaker 2: And and to know what he was going through the

467
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Speaker 2: physical pain, and that's why, you know, we took it

468
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Speaker 2: upon ourselves like what can we do to minimize this

469
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Speaker 2: as much as possible and obviously, you know, du Duce

470
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Speaker 2: had a good share of the of the reps. That's

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Speaker 2: when we started inserting Willie Parker Moore and to the office,

472
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Speaker 2: so we gave him a three man rotation. But when

473
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Speaker 2: Jerome turned it on that Chicago game, I'll never forget it.

474
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Speaker 2: And everybody talks about the Erlacker hit, right. I think

475
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Speaker 2: about before that in the drive when we had we

476
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Speaker 2: had thirty three double to the left, Jerome hits hits

477
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Speaker 2: the hole cuts to the sideline and it is tight

478
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Speaker 2: roping on the sidelines like a dancing bear, three hundred

479
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Speaker 2: pound dancing bear tight roping the sideline and then dropped

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Speaker 2: his shoulder and just laid the boom on. I think

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Speaker 2: it was Briggs, and I was like, oh my god,

482
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Speaker 2: we need to do this guy. So but but that determinated, like,

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Speaker 2: you don't see that in a lot of guys. I think,

484
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Speaker 2: you know, everybody's like, oh, well, everybody's bigger, fastest.

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Speaker 4: No. No, it's it's up here as well as what

486
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Speaker 4: you do here.

487
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Speaker 2: And that's why James Harrison was such a big proponent

488
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Speaker 2: of how you treat your body, and famously for the

489
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Speaker 2: amount of money he spent, well, I went to the

490
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Speaker 2: same people that he went to he and I had.

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Speaker 2: I'd have to be like, James, you gotta get off

492
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Speaker 2: the table. I need this too. You're not the only one.

493
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Speaker 2: You can't have two massus's work on you in the

494
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Speaker 2: same time. Like there's a room for because we used

495
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Speaker 2: to go to James Ferrier's house every Thursday, and that's

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Speaker 2: where the messuses came and we had massage and acupuncture,

497
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Speaker 2: and so it'd be like twenty guys at Posse's house

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Speaker 2: every Thursday night waiting waiting to get because we knew

499
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Speaker 2: because Lisa James had brought Lisa Rippy she brought He

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Speaker 2: brought her from the Jets because that was his That

501
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Speaker 2: was a messuse because the Jets brought in messuses every

502
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Speaker 2: week and Lisa worked on him. And so when he

503
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Speaker 2: moved to Pittsburgh, He's like, Hey, Lisa, I need you

504
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Speaker 2: to come down here. I don't know any messuss down here.

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Speaker 2: And then guy's like, man, James, what are you doing?

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Speaker 2: And then it just became a trend, and so everybody

507
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Speaker 2: went there. So I started going there with my rookie year,

508
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Speaker 2: and I mean I worked with Lisa my entire career, even.

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Speaker 4: When I really so.

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Speaker 2: And then and then James, when James started finally starting,

511
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Speaker 2: then he started coming. You know, it was about the

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Speaker 2: year three, year four, because James and I came were

513
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Speaker 2: actually on the team. Maybe he finally made a roster

514
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Speaker 2: the same year as me. And then he just took over.

515
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Speaker 2: And we're like, who whoa, this is not the James

516
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Speaker 2: Harrison show. Like this we've been coming here, like Lisa

517
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Speaker 2: tell him we've been here longer. Came a fight, but

518
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Speaker 2: but he spent the money. He flew Lisa everywhere year round.

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Speaker 5: Oh so James ferrier to her. Yeah, he was initially

520
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Speaker 5: James Harrison. And James Harrison took over. I got, as

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Speaker 5: James often does, I'll pay you more money. And it's like, no,

522
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Speaker 5: that's not gonna work. We have a system here, James,

523
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Speaker 5: but that that's the important thing, and guys needed that.

524
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Speaker 5: And it was it was a routine, like ritually, like

525
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Speaker 5: I knew Thursday night, I was gonna feel sore on

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Speaker 5: Friday when I came for a walk through day.

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Speaker 2: And then Hokey would go crazy. It's like, Hoki, we

528
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Speaker 2: have shells on. I know, brother, I'm just trying to

529
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Speaker 2: get it done. Stop it, you know, all the place.

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Speaker 2: We get it, Why don't just come on the offensive line?

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Speaker 4: We got it.

532
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Speaker 2: But but you would feel because you had acupuncture, so

533
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Speaker 2: all the blood and everything was was on the superficial

534
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Speaker 2: layer of your skin.

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Speaker 4: But by Sunday you were ready to rock and roll.

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Speaker 2: And that's what it took, and you had to be

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Speaker 2: able to mentally go through that. He had to fall

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Speaker 2: in love with the process, and that's what guys kind

539
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Speaker 2: of lose now, I think, especially the running back position.

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Speaker 2: They think about the money and what they're not getting,

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Speaker 2: and then you have them trying to form an a

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Speaker 2: lion and all other stuff.

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Speaker 4: But it's it's falling in love with the process.

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Speaker 2: And there's not a lot of guys, especially that position,

545
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Speaker 2: that fall in love with the process like those guys.

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Speaker 2: I think Christian McCaffrey is now a guy that's falling

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Speaker 2: in love with the process and that's why you see

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Speaker 2: the results that he has.

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Speaker 3: Joey dulac Dale Lawley and Max Starks. We are at

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Speaker 3: the NFL Combine in Indianapolis. We're gonna take a break

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Speaker 3: and we'll be back with more right here on Fox

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Speaker 3: Sports Pittsburgh and Steeler Nation Radio.

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Speaker 6: When you want black and gold football talk you want SNR.

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Speaker 6: Steelers Nation Radio is continuing Combery Job twenty twenty four

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Speaker 6: NFL Combine live from Indianapolis on Steelers Nation.

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Speaker 1: Radio and then it's free exact.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, welcome back to the Indiana Convention Center. We're just

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Speaker 3: gabbing away here, both on the air and off the air,

559
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Speaker 3: having a good old time. We are going This little

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Speaker 3: trio will take you up until two o'clock and then

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Speaker 3: I will depart. Max and Dale will stay on and

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Speaker 3: Matt Williamson we'll join them at two o'clock and go.

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Speaker 4: Till four o'clock. Correct, The Max will bow out after exact. Correct.

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Speaker 4: I kind of got right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciates of moving parts.

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Speaker 4: And after that, what else you got?

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Speaker 6: Uh?

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Speaker 4: I got to figure out a couple of interviews. You

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Speaker 4: gotta do, you gotta do Ramone right, Yeah? Ramone walking

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Speaker 4: in with a big bag of food. Yeah, he I

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Speaker 4: mean I didn't know if it was for him or

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Speaker 4: for the six man crew. Yeah. Well, I mean I

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Speaker 4: feel like he shared his leftovers with them. It's kind

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Speaker 4: of like me a jeered donald last night.

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Speaker 3: Uh, Max told me he left a couple of olives

576
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Speaker 3: on the plate for you. Guys, I did my part.

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Speaker 1: I had. I had four pieces. It wasn't Max's seven,

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Speaker 1: I believe.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I did end up with seven.

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Speaker 2: I was trying to stop at six, but then motes

581
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Speaker 2: wouldn't chip in, so I had.

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Speaker 1: To most most disappointed a little bit. Yeah, he did.

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Speaker 4: He did.

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Speaker 1: He left half a slice on his plate that was

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Speaker 1: just slice and he only did. No, it was his

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Speaker 1: third slice.

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Speaker 4: You did him.

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Speaker 1: He only ate the third one because he was I

589
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Speaker 1: he started the third one because I I grabbed a third.

590
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Speaker 2: But he says, well, I gotta keep up there, and

591
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Speaker 2: he couldn't. He didn't, no, no, but he but he wanted.

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Speaker 2: He wanted to meet Tacular Pizza because he's like, I'm

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Speaker 2: a carnivore. I was like, no, you need some veggies

594
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Speaker 2: to go veggies and that green olive banana pepper pepperoni

595
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Speaker 2: wasn't nice?

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Speaker 4: Is that what you had? That's what we guys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we did that when it was a greg olive

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Speaker 2: pepperoni and banana banana peppers hot, Okay, I get the

599
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Speaker 2: zing to yeah, a little zing like zestiness and then yeah,

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Speaker 2: it was a crunch factor.

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Speaker 4: Not the Saint Elmo's shrimp talked to absolutely. I'll tell

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Speaker 4: you one slice and everybody would run into the bathroom.

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Speaker 3: Oh man, I had some of the other night, no

604
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Speaker 3: matter how many times I've had it, and I still

605
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Speaker 3: take I know, to take the small bite and wow,

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Speaker 3: it still gets you bring brings tears to your eye.

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Speaker 3: Jeremy Fowler is this national senior writer for ESPN. He

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Speaker 3: joins us now on the broadcast. Jeremy of course covered

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Speaker 3: the Steelers for a couple of years a couple of

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Speaker 3: years ago, uh, for ESPN, And he's back and we're

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Speaker 3: always glad to see you, my friend.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, what's happening? They keeping you busy?

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Speaker 3: I notice you just kind of be bopping your way

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Speaker 3: around a different stations.

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Speaker 7: Shi, Yeah, you know how it is.

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Speaker 8: You get your steps in Hereolis do do that.

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Speaker 2: That's been good, Jeremy. You know, I just wonder as

618
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Speaker 2: you look at kind of like big picture. You look

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Speaker 2: at the AFC North in general.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, you know obviously the Cincinnati Bengals take

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Speaker 4: a step back.

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Speaker 2: You paid paid Joe Burrow all that money. Yeah, has

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Speaker 2: the injury can't finish the season. You look at Cleveland,

624
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Speaker 2: they just go through a quarterback carousel, and we know

625
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Speaker 2: what the Deshaun Watson contract is Lamar Jackson gets paid

626
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Speaker 2: and he was an MVP. Pittsburgh, we're the one with

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Speaker 2: the quarterback question, just as you assess kind of the

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Speaker 2: AFC North, kind of where the Steelers are with Kenny

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Speaker 2: Pickett new OC Mason Rudolf potentially the guy that they're

630
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Speaker 2: targeting to bring back to compliment him. I mean, how

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Speaker 2: do you assess the state of our division?

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Speaker 8: So well, the division is still probably the best, and

633
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Speaker 8: you talk about the quarterbacks that are around the Steelers

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Speaker 8: and what they have to address in all the avenues

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Speaker 8: they could go.

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Speaker 7: I mean, Deshaun is still a question mark.

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Speaker 8: I think after the Ways played the last few years

638
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Speaker 8: and they need to get the return on investment.

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Speaker 7: They're in a big way.

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Speaker 8: But Pittsburgh, you could argue as far as the overall

641
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 8: roster is right there with those teams, maybe not better

642
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Speaker 8: in a lot of areas. So the quarterback question is,

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Speaker 8: to me, is one bad year from Kenny Pickett enough

644
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Speaker 8: to cut the court?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 8: And if the answer to Mike tom And and omar Con

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Speaker 8: is no, then I expect him to be, you know,

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Speaker 8: mixing up at training camp at least having a good

649
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Speaker 8: shot to win the job.

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Speaker 3: So you know every of course, the quarterback is the

651
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Speaker 3: marquee position. No, in the NFL, probably in professional sports.

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Speaker 3: A lot of intrigue nationally involving justin fields. Russell, Wilson,

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Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins, what are you hearing? What you think is

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Speaker 3: going to happen? What's your take on it? Well, you know,

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Speaker 3: everybody gets linked to the Steelers at some point.

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Speaker 8: Another question. I think all three of those guys. Oh

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Speaker 8: with that question, Yeah, well, but everybody's waiting on Chicago

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Speaker 8: because they're the right driver's seat here. When are they

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Speaker 8: going to trade justin fields? Assuming they're taking the quarterback

660
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 8: of one, which I think most people I taught to

661
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 8: most teams. I taught to expect that at this point, and.

662
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 3: We're hearing so I'm in to, you know again, whispers

663
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 3: gossip about them trading fields and then even trading to

664
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 3: pick and moving down. Oh yeah, you know, I don't

665
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 3: know how legitimate it is, but you hear the whispers. Yeah,

666
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 3: that'd be aggressive.

667
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 8: Yeah, so I think they'll stay put and take the

668
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 8: USC kids. So if you do that, then they probably

669
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 8: want to trade fields in the next week or two

670
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 8: to do him a solid. Do it before the new

671
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 8: league year, get him in a new home, and then

672
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 8: the rest of the dominoes will fall into place. After that,

673
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 8: then you got Russell Wilson, who I think Denver will

674
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 8: cut the cord, rip the bandit off in maybe the

675
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 8: next one to two weeks around March thirteenth, and you

676
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 8: can structure it that way where he's ready to go.

677
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 8: I mean, this is a guy that can goes sign

678
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 8: somewhere for a million dollars on the minimum and give

679
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,479
Speaker 8: Denver the rest of the bill. He can legitimately do that.

680
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 8: He's in a rare position of power. That's that's why

681
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 8: I think teams are gonna think long and hard about

682
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 8: Russell Wilson.

683
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 7: If you still think.

684
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 8: He's a back end starter out of thirty two, I

685
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 8: think most scouts I talk to you still see him

686
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 8: as a starter. You can win some games with, maybe

687
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 8: not high end, but you know, on the back end

688
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 8: of the top thirty two.

689
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 4: Does troll over where he could be traded or no,

690
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 4: you know.

691
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 8: Uh no, I believe he has no trade clause, but

692
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 8: so they have to waive that obviously, but there's no

693
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 8: way they can trade him with the money involved.

694
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 7: No team's going to pay a.

695
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: Team wanting to take that on.

696
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 7: Thirty nine million guaranteed.

697
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: Yes, so you know they got to cut him.

698
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 3: So then wherever he's going to go, My next question

699
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 3: would be does he still believe he's a starter? Does

700
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 3: he still want to be a starter? Oh of course, yeah, right,

701
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 3: he doesn't want to go somewhere where he's going to

702
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 3: be number.

703
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 7: Two, right, So that's it.

704
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 8: Yeah, if Pittsburgh still has picket in line in any way,

705
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 8: he doesn't want to come, He's not going to call,

706
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 8: and Field's probably the same thing. So he agreed to

707
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 8: make a firm decision. You know, Wilson, at least he

708
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 8: doesn't turn the ball over. He can still do some things.

709
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 7: I think it's a decent fit in Pittsburgh, but I

710
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 7: don't know they would go that route.

711
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's you know, the question we're all

712
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: continually asked here. You mentioned the roster as a whole

713
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: being pretty solid. What where do you think they go

714
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: in the draft?

715
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 8: So they are sorry, okay, so probably still be some

716
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 8: good defensive front seven guys there. You can't go wrong

717
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 8: with the offensive line. I think the you know, probably

718
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 8: get a big boy there in one of those spots

719
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 8: defensive offensive line would would be my first thought. I guess,

720
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 8: you know, maybe get somebody inside. It looks like they

721
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 8: have some free agents there, some some different parts and

722
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 8: got Cam Hayward's thirty four or five, thirty five next month? Yeah, yeah,

723
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 8: two months. Uh, you know, Byron Murphy's the name. It

724
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 8: comes to mind. If he's still there. I don't know

725
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 8: that he would be, but there, you know, there's enough

726
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 8: talent where they could do some damage in the front

727
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 8: defense of seven, you know, like get a fun linebacker too.

728
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 8: I mean they kind of patched that all together last year.

729
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 4: With some every every year, every year, every year they

730
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 4: do it.

731
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 8: It's a revolving door, right, Well, they had guys that

732
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 8: can play, but didn't make big money because they were injured,

733
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 8: and then they got injured again.

734
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 7: It was predictable. Yeah, so maybe maybe try to solid

735
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 7: by that.

736
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, they've been trying to find Ryan chazy Er since

737
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 3: his unfortunate injury. You know, they thought they had that

738
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 3: guy with Devin Bush moved up ten spots to number

739
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 3: ten to take them, and that blew up in their face.

740
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 3: And it's just been between I can't even remember all

741
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 3: the guys between Mark Baron and John Bostick and the

742
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 3: kid from Jacksonville a show bird and from Cleveland, you know,

743
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 3: and it's every year and now it's Hulkhmbe and it's

744
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 3: Landon Roberts, and it's Kwan Alexander and Jack came Jack

745
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 3: just spinning the wheel and see where it stops. You

746
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 3: mentioned Russell Wilson. You thought it would be a good fit.

747
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 3: It could be a good fit. Before he went to Denver.

748
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 3: I thought he was a perfect fit for the Steelers

749
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 3: after Ben and I'll tell you I had that discussion

750
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 3: who agreed. I had that discussion with Bill Cower, and

751
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 3: I thought he would have been a perfect fit at

752
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 3: that point of his career where the Steelers were bring

753
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 3: him in. Yeah, you know, I don't. I don't see

754
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 3: it happening now, but two years ago I did.

755
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 8: It's intriguing because he doesn't turn the ball over, which

756
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 8: Mike Tomas big On and he can throw a pretty

757
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 8: good deep ball still, so you got pick ends and

758
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 8: those guys like you could throw it up.

759
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 3: Least give him a chance, you know, as of going

760
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 3: back probably two years Tom Brady, I don't care who

761
00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 3: was there. I always said, if there was a last

762
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 3: minute game winning drive and you had a minute and

763
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 3: a half. For a minute, I might take Russell Wilson

764
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 3: over any quarterback in the league. He was magical on

765
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 3: that on that.

766
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 7: For a while. Yeah, he had a run. He had

767
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 7: a run, no question.

768
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: So what is the Uh, we're hearing some different rule

769
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: change stuff talk around this combine kickoff is obviously something

770
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: that that's been talked about. Uh do you see anything

771
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: coming of that when we get to the owners meetings?

772
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 8: And for sure, for sure, I just don't know what

773
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 8: their plan is going to be for the kickoff. They

774
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 8: talked about the XFL style. Do you like that idea?

775
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 7: Not bad? Yeah, same way, not bad.

776
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 8: I mean, they'll have a few different proposals. I'm sure

777
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 8: on that. I wouldn't be surprised if it's changed. I mean,

778
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 8: they had basically expected it to be a one year experiment.

779
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 8: It didn't go well, no kickoff at any sort of

780
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 8: suspense of drama.

781
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 4: It was brutal.

782
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 8: So they they're gonna they're gonna address that. It's that,

783
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 8: and then it's the hip drop tackles the big run.

784
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: Right.

785
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 8: They're pretty adamant that league officials have been out in

786
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 8: front saying that the the numbers, you know, dramatically increase

787
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 8: injury with that style of tackle.

788
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 7: I don't know that in the moment.

789
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: You're trying to get a guy on the ground, You're

790
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: just gonna get him on the ground.

791
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 4: I mean, and that that's the whole point of the game.

792
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 2: So like trying to figure out where your impact point

793
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 2: is at the moment and having guys second guess on it.

794
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 4: You know at that moment, well, was my head across

795
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 4: the bout?

796
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: Was it?

797
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,240
Speaker 4: Now? Did I get the guy? Okay?

798
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 1: It?

799
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 2: Did my weight get on him too much? It's like,

800
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 2: this is football at the end of the day. I mean,

801
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 2: if you want that add more padding. Stop letting guys

802
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 2: not wear enough padding, right, Put the knee pass back in,

803
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 2: Put the hip pads back in if that's the case.

804
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 2: But you don't guys wear those thin little shells. Nothing

805
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 2: on their knees, all nothing on their hips. I remember

806
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 2: when I played that, we had to have the butt pad.

807
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 4: Remember the tailbone pad, Yeah, the one that would fly

808
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 4: out randomly because your belt wasn't tight. I mean, if

809
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 4: you think everybody, because everybody everybody had and the referee

810
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 4: would come by and tap your hip to check to

811
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 4: make sure you had a pad it. Why did they

812
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 4: take it out because too cumbersome or what?

813
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was too cumbersome and people work playing about it,

814
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 2: and guys were putting like knee pads in their in

815
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 2: their set because they didn't want to wear.

816
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 4: The hip pass. So they're like, well, this is becoming

817
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 4: just too much of an additional layer for the referees

818
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 4: at the check, so let's just get rid of them

819
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:12,399
Speaker 4: and not make a mandate.

820
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: Part of the classic look for the Steelers is frank

821
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: O Harris with with the the yeah, pads coming.

822
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 4: Out right the jersey. Yeah, because I was that. I

823
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 4: was like, oh, he protects your entire hip.

824
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 7: You know, Jeremy, that's going to be fast now.

825
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 6: Yeah.

826
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:28,240
Speaker 4: With the kickoff for what's.

827
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 3: Funny, because you know, they they wanted to limit uh

828
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 3: the uh you know, put the constraints on the kickoff

829
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 3: because of injuries, but they never wanted to take the

830
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 3: rule out. I mean to kick off out of the

831
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 3: game because they field's the most exciting play in football,

832
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 3: and that's where they are now. It's been negated and

833
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 3: so now they want to kind of bring it back

834
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 3: a little bit. I don't want to say injuries be damn,

835
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 3: that's not it. But they just want to make sure

836
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 3: they put some excitement back in that play.

837
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, they have to.

838
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 8: Yeah, and even the punt return I don't feel like

839
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 8: that's as exciting as it used to be. Rarely do

840
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 8: you see punt returns. Maybe it's because special teams is better,

841
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 8: but yeah, they got to address a lot of that.

842
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 3: So the idea is it the XFL. It's you kick

843
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 3: from thirty five, right, they're thirty five and they line

844
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 3: up at the thirty right, Yeah, what happens? What happens

845
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 3: to onside kicks?

846
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 7: That's a good quest.

847
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 4: Question, that's a good question.

848
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 8: I've even heard the theory that they would do the

849
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 8: uh what's the league that does like the fourth and fifteen?

850
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, they kind of like that, yeah yeah,

851
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 3: but they don't want to be They don't want to

852
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 3: be gimmicky.

853
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 2: Gimmicky yeah, USFL Yeah yeah, yeaheah, well I'm sorry UFL

854
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 2: had the yeah me.

855
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, the NFL. The owners don't want to be gimmicky.

856
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 3: That's why they shoot it done.

857
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 7: It's better to be that than just to have no

858
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 7: drama in the play.

859
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 2: I agree, Yeah, you lose a very an important mandatory

860
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 2: play in the game, and you don't want that lull

861
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 2: because they want butts and seats, right, they want people

862
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 2: in front of the screens instead of running to go.

863
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: Let's kick off.

864
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 4: I'm going to go.

865
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I got at least another three minutes right

866
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 2: after the TV timeout and then this kickoff.

867
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 4: I'm good. So yeah, I mean something has to be done.

868
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, puts a decision element that even more or so

869
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 3: back in the game with that one fourth and fifteenth.

870
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 3: If you want to take that or what you want

871
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 3: to do, got to take a break. Thanks for joining us.

872
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 3: Brothers Jeremy, he's a senior writer for Covers, national writer

873
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 3: for ESPN. We're to take a break. We're going to

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877
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00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 6: Nation Radio.

879
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 3: Well, it isn't off the ball linebacker. It's it's you know,

880
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 3: I'll use the word priority. I'm not going to say

881
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 3: it's top priority, but it is a priority. They you know,

882
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 3: I touched on this earlier. They're a little weary of

883
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 3: the revolving door year after year after year, and they

884
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 3: want the revolving door to stop. We've seen them go

885
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 3: obviously just about free agents every year, trying to plug

886
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 3: that hole. And I really believe that it's going to

887
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 3: be a priority no later than day two of this draft.

888
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 3: And when you look at the guys off the ball, guys,

889
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 3: who do you like, Who do you think is a

890
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 3: good fit? A guy been looking kind of researching a little.

891
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 3: He was up today. Edrin Cooper is extremely intriguing. Where

892
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 3: I mentioned to him to your earlier Max off the air,

893
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 3: just curious your thoughts about him and just about the

894
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 3: just about the position in general, on what a necessity

895
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 3: it is for the Steelers, because let's face it, there's

896
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 3: a big, big question mark about Cole Holcomb's availability, certainly

897
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 3: in time for the regular season.

898
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 4: Yeah. I like Edrian Cooper. I think he's a kid.

899
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 4: He's sidelined the sideline. I mean, he hits all of

900
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 4: the fields that you want for an off the ball linebacker.

901
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 4: You know, he has a speed, he has the ability

902
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 4: to blitz, and that's a big part of what when

903
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 4: you're looking at the Steelers, what can you do? Can

904
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 4: you cover sideline the sideline? And now can you carry

905
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 4: tight ends?

906
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 2: Especially with the with the way the rules have changed

907
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 2: for them, can't touch them at their five. Now you've

908
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 2: got to be foot speed with them and be able

909
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 2: to redirect that four. He's a guy that can keep

910
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 2: up because that was one of our major issues. Remember

911
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 2: that when Cole Hulkan went out, you couldn't you couldn't

912
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 2: stop a tight end end, couldn't stop the tight ends,

913
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 2: and they just ruled the middle of the field. And

914
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 2: that's where linebacker really has a necessity outside of that

915
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:28,479
Speaker 2: being the run plug.

916
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: It's just isn't a great year this This linebacker class

917
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: is not great at all. There's some intriguing guys like

918
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: a you know, a steel Chambers out of O High.

919
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna blow this thing up.

920
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, he'll he'll test out the water.

921
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 1: He's gonna test like crazy, you know. But you know,

922
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 1: the more the higher end guys, uh, you know you

923
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: mentioned Cooper Junior Colson out of at A Michigan. You

924
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,760
Speaker 1: just wonder if they feel like maybe they got burned

925
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: by Michigan linebacker the last time.

926
00:39:58,200 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 4: Yes, you wonder about that.

927
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: But Devin Bush effect, yeah, but again a team captain

928
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: of what was a great defense last year at Michigan.

929
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: You know, Jeremiah Trotter is another guy that you obviously

930
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: the NFL bloodlines, more of the thumper type, though he's

931
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: not the I think you want that guy that can

932
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: run with tight ends and do those kind of things.

933
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: Peyton Wilson's got everything that you want, but has had

934
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: multiple injuries over the course of his high school and

935
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: college career, so you wonder about that. And it's just

936
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 1: it's interesting. I talked to Cedric Gray today. I was

937
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: over there when he was talking out of North Carolina.

938
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: He's actually got Troy Polamalu tattooed on his forearms. Oh really,

939
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 1: that was his favorite player, but the name, number one face,

940
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 1: the hair, the hair fitted his favorite forearm, wrist in hand,

941
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: if he used this all the way down. It was

942
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: just that was his favorite player. So that's another guy

943
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 1: that you know. But it's just not a very deep area.

944
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: It's not a deep class this year, and free agency

945
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: is not that deep either. I mean, you have the

946
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: headliner and Patrick Queen, but we know that's going to

947
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,280
Speaker 1: be out the water like kind of like Drew Tranquil

948
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: from the Chiefs.

949
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 2: Drew was one, but I think the Chiefs are going

950
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 2: to try and keep him because they because they release

951
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 2: well they released Valdez Scantling to get twelve million freedom.

952
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 1: They were over the cap and they get it. They

953
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: put the franchise tag on the on the corner back. Yeah,

954
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:21,879
Speaker 1: jars jerious need and they gotta still try to sign

955
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: Chris Jones. Yeah, that gets expensive that they're talking forty

956
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: million dollars or fifty million dollars between those two guys

957
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: right there, and Willie gave for them. Is also another one,

958
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: another one that's up as well. He's another guy that

959
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: would be intriguing. Het still a younger player is sending

960
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: player that you know has some U.

961
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 4: Has some value.

962
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 2: And then you got Jordan Brooks that's out there that

963
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 2: would be a free agent. And then all share as

964
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 2: he's all like him too. I like him he went

965
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 2: because he went to Tennessee on a prove it deal.

966
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 2: I thought he did. Okay. I think he might be

967
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 2: one you could target. And he's young enough because I

968
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 2: remember I remember his ease when he was at FAU. Yeah,

969
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 2: because he he was a part of that squad that

970
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 2: had Devin Singletary, Harrison Bryant and all of them on

971
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 2: that team. So I mean, he was one that really

972
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 2: stood out. So I would like to see him in

973
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 2: the mix as far as the conversation. But yeah, I mean,

974
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 2: but that's really all the guys you're talking about in

975
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 2: free agency. So the draft is a place and everybody

976
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 2: needs linebackers unless you're the San Francisco forty nine ers

977
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 2: and you just ignore it.

978
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:20,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.

979
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 2: He was like, ah, maybe next year, but I think

980
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 2: that that's what you come to. So how does the

981
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 2: Chris Chambers now skyrocket his popularity? How does Edrian Cooper

982
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 2: skyrocket popularity? Because you know you're not going to pay

983
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 2: twenty million for or I've probably fifteen to seventeen million

984
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 2: for a Patrick Queen type.

985
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 4: You know, you you know Jordan Brook's oft reliable, but

986
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 4: as he's al Shaier, there's a value there, So I

987
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 4: think his market might be a lot greater, and knowing

988
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 4: our need might push the value.

989
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: And now you're getting into a bidding one for a

990
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: guy that's a good player, good solid player, maybe not

991
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: a great player that taul you don't want to play him,

992
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,919
Speaker 1: You don't want to play pay a good player, great

993
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: player of money.

994
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, because you still need to find the value

995
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 2: and that, like you said, with so many other things

996
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 2: to look at, you don't want to tie it up

997
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 2: in just one position in free agency. And will the

998
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 2: Ravens even be able to bring back Patrick Quinn. No,

999
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 2: that's that's what I mean. It's too hot because because

1000
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 2: you're gonna do my to beat games contract and they're

1001
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:20,240
Speaker 2: paying roquand.

1002
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,240
Speaker 4: Paying Quand and they have to eventually deal with Lamar's

1003
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 4: deal too. Yeah.

1004
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So now he's a gunner I would expect.

1005
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I'd be shocked if Patrick Queen isn't a Seahawk.

1006
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 4: Oh yeah.

1007
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: The defensive coordinators there, hey, just come on over here.

1008
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, that Mays run the same defense, and you can

1009
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 4: be Roquand, you can be Roquan. Yeah.

1010
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 3: I wanted to ask you earlier you mentioned and we

1011
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 3: didn't get a chance to talk about it. We were

1012
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 3: talking about the cornerbacks and we talked about Joey Porter Jr.

1013
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 3: Trying to match up with what the Bengals do. Corey

1014
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 3: Trice is a guy whose whole season wiped out almost

1015
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 3: from the first day of training camp. A big guy

1016
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 3: six foot three, two ten, I mean, has those measurables

1017
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 3: and can run late, and so there are some questions

1018
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 3: about him. They they they think they like what they got,

1019
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 3: but they don't know what they got.

1020
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like that mystery bag, right, you know that

1021
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 2: you click on I go on, woot and you do

1022
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 2: these little things for five dollars bag of crap. You know,

1023
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 2: you just take it. Might might be a gym, might

1024
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 2: not be. That's what you have with Corey Trice, right,

1025
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 2: because he looks exactly what you need. He tests exactly

1026
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: what you want. But injuries. Injuries have been issue and

1027
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 2: that's what pushed him down. And now you get it

1028
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 2: right in training camp when we're thinking, man, we got

1029
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 2: the twin towers on the edges and then you lose

1030
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 2: them to now Patrick Peters's starting corner.

1031
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: And they still have rushed too that they you know,

1032
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: Darius Rush is there, who is a fifth round pick,

1033
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: Lasher as well.

1034
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 2: So yeah, they got some young guys. So they got

1035
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 2: some young guys there. I think you still need to

1036
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 2: add another one in the mix because you know, every

1037
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 2: team if you got to you know, Tara Austin said this,

1038
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 2: ye to exactly, yeah, exactly.

1039
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:53,760
Speaker 4: So.

1040
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 2: So Tara Austin is always about how many dbs can

1041
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 2: we get on this roster to be competitive, But I

1042
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 2: think you have to look can see some of these

1043
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 2: guys in there, and there's a lot of quarterbacks out

1044
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,280
Speaker 2: there and they and I call it build a cornerback

1045
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 2: because whatever you need, this draft has that guy. I

1046
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 2: want to speed guy. I want a tall guy. I

1047
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 2: want to range a guy. I want to cover guy,

1048
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 2: you know, I want I want a zone guy. I

1049
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,919
Speaker 2: want a guy that that's nickel flexible. You can find

1050
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 2: all these guys in the draft. And you know, one

1051
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 2: of the guys I really like Andrew Phillip from Kentucky.

1052
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I like. I like that kid a lot.

1053
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 2: I had him a couple of times last year and

1054
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,760
Speaker 2: he's he's a guy and he's physical.

1055
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's physical.

1056
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 2: He's not the one that's gonna get you the wrap

1057
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 2: down immediately, but he's gonna wrap you up and be

1058
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,439
Speaker 2: on you like Spider Monkey, and I mean he's he's

1059
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 2: gonna tangle you up on the edge, especially when you're

1060
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 2: talking about running backs on the outside zone stuff. He's

1061
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 2: a guy that's not afraid. So I really like him.

1062
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 2: Let me be interested to see how he tests and

1063
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 2: where he ends up landing.

1064
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 3: Well, during one answer, you brought up a spider monkey

1065
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 3: and build a bear at the same time.

1066
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 4: Exactly. That's the beauty of your analysis. That's why we

1067
00:45:54,920 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 4: love you. It's far ranging, Yes, it is at and enlightening. Yeah,

1068
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 4: that's gonna do it for me.

1069
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 3: Dale and Max will be back in the next hour

1070
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 3: with Matt Williamson.

1071
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 4: So I will see you guys tomorrow and we'll have

1072
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 4: more fun. Then there we go.

1073
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 3: All right, you're listening to the NFL Draft Combine coverage

1074
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,879
Speaker 3: from the Indiana Convention Center. We've got a whole lot

1075
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,959
Speaker 3: more coming your way, said, don't you dare go away

1076
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,640
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