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Speaker 5: It is Tuesday, November twenty one, twenty twenty three, Season nineteen,
Speaker 5: episode number seventy five. Welcome to the latest edition of
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Speaker 5: We got our normal crew here with us in one
Speaker 5: special guest that'll be joining us today at some point.
Speaker 5: I'm sure he's going to have some some thoughts for us.
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Speaker 5: thoughts for us on the Dallas Cowboys. Mister Diego has
Speaker 5: his debut today joining the Break here with us. Amber's
Speaker 5: son What is he?
Speaker 7: What?
Speaker 6: Two man?
Speaker 2: Tom is just fine. Just remember him that train camp
Speaker 2: just crawling.
Speaker 8: Around like we're great Cowboys.
Speaker 7: Co oh.
Speaker 5: Yes, and he's also a big long horn fan for
Speaker 5: those big long one fan he throws up his Horns
Speaker 5: every chance he get his reputation.
Speaker 6: All right, so let's jump in.
Speaker 5: We've got a few things when he hit today, We're
Speaker 5: gonna definitely get to the Washington offense versus the Dallas
Speaker 5: defense before we go there. Though, Patrick talked me about
Speaker 5: the injury situation. We got Rico Dowdell on the on
Speaker 5: the list, jay Ron Curst, Ceedee Lamb, Terrence Steele.
Speaker 6: What are we looking at for this week?
Speaker 9: Okay, So the Cowboys are honestly and obviously going through
Speaker 9: a light work week because of the short week two
Speaker 9: games in four days. So Rico Dawdle ankle did not
Speaker 9: participate on What's Today, I'm losing a radio Monday. Peyton
Speaker 9: Hendershot ankle. He was full as he was last week.
Speaker 9: We'll see if he gets activated from IR this week. TBD,
Speaker 9: Jroon curse Back did not participate. Ceedee Lamb popped up
Speaker 9: with an ankle injury suffered against the Panthers game. In
Speaker 9: the Panthers game, he was limping a little bit towards
Speaker 9: the end of the game, but he was a limited participant.
Speaker 9: Osa Hamstring full, Terrence Steel ankle limited, and Cavante Turpin
Speaker 9: he's back to full speed with that shoulder and listening
Speaker 9: to Jerry Jones and Mike McCarthy talk about Ceede Lamb
Speaker 9: and his potential availability this morning on one O five
Speaker 9: three the Fan, Jerry said that as we speak, it's
Speaker 9: a thumbs up for Ceedee Lamb, but mirroring what Mike
Speaker 9: McCarthy said yesterday, they're going to see what it looks
Speaker 9: like on today, Tuesday, and then Wednesday. It's key to
Speaker 9: note for Cowboys fans, though, that the practice plan is
Speaker 9: not going to be a typical one. It will be
Speaker 9: the same number of reps as Mike McCarthy said, but
Speaker 9: yesterday was hatt and cleats and a pure walk through.
Speaker 9: Today they'll jog through the reps and then tomorrow they'll play.
Speaker 9: It'll be like a Saturday walkthrough type situation. There will
Speaker 9: not be a full on, full go practice for any
Speaker 9: of these players because they have two games in four days.
Speaker 9: So when you're looking at the injury report from yesterday,
Speaker 9: just kind of keep that in mind. Those guys were
Speaker 9: quite literally walking through reps. My sense is that Ceedee
Speaker 9: Lamb will be on the field. I do get that
Speaker 9: that indication, and speaking with a lot of players, not
Speaker 9: just their players, but people in the building and we'll
Speaker 9: see if that sticks. But I think that I don't
Speaker 9: think he misses this game spot on.
Speaker 5: Yeah, is there anything that is there any one of
Speaker 5: these that concerning because when I saw jay Ron pop
Speaker 5: up as it did not participate and a back that
Speaker 5: kind of made me say, whoa you know, just because
Speaker 5: you know a short week back, you know a solder guys, no,
Speaker 5: you get at back problem. Sometimes back problems can be
Speaker 5: a problem and they can stick around. So is there
Speaker 5: any one of these that you think is anything more
Speaker 5: than just it's a short week.
Speaker 6: It was a walk through. They all should be progressing
Speaker 6: in the right way.
Speaker 3: The one that worried me initially was the lamb one. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and then because I feel like I saw him, I
Speaker 3: think we probably all sat down and watched the All
Speaker 3: twenty two and there was a shallow cross where I
Speaker 3: felt like that's where he got hurt. And then so
Speaker 3: happens that you know, turpin falls on him too while
Speaker 3: he's on the ground, So you know, maybe you're like, on, oh,
Speaker 3: Jay's double whammy there now though, need to check on
Speaker 3: the curse back. You know, I feel like he'll be okay,
Speaker 3: but you're absolutely right. You just never know with that.
Speaker 3: Is that something that's going to tighten up? Is it
Speaker 3: something that is it a spasm situation, is it something
Speaker 3: that just ain't right? And so you know they'll they'll
Speaker 3: nurse at the best they can. You know, there's a
Speaker 3: couple of players right there you really don't want to lose.
Speaker 3: I thought the curse played pretty well the other day,
Speaker 3: you know, getting back, we've kind of the safety spot
Speaker 3: has been a little bit of a one. We've put
Speaker 3: under the microscope a little bit. I know I have,
Speaker 3: But you really don't want to lose him in this game.
Speaker 10: Well, you're liking Sorry, I was gonna say, you're liking
Speaker 10: so much already on defense, and now is the time
Speaker 10: that the offense and a bunch of different receivers are
Speaker 10: starting to show up, are starting to.
Speaker 8: Be a part of the offense.
Speaker 10: So at least you have some sense of like, Okay,
Speaker 10: I think they can be okay with the other players
Speaker 10: that they get that they got. Should they give City
Speaker 10: a rest week, I get it. I think he should
Speaker 10: be fine. But if that's you know, worst case scenario,
Speaker 10: I feel okay with them having enough playmakers on the
Speaker 10: offense right now, where they're actually showing up versus the defense.
Speaker 10: There are really so many areas that you you know,
Speaker 10: you're still.
Speaker 8: A little weak, quote unquote.
Speaker 10: They're still hanging on there, but we know how different
Speaker 10: everything looks without Layton, without Trevon Diggs on the defense,
Speaker 10: So they're already kind of on a thing string there
Speaker 10: and that occurs. He's a key element to the defense.
Speaker 10: So having him and something that could potentially have him
Speaker 10: out longer than just one game, it is something to
Speaker 10: definitely be concerned about.
Speaker 9: If there was one player I have concern about on
Speaker 9: this list, they would be jan I think if with
Speaker 9: the CD lamp situation, if they were of high concern,
Speaker 9: then he wouldn't have even participated in the walk through
Speaker 9: it all. It wouldn't be limited he'd been DMP yesterday,
Speaker 9: they would have said get off that ankle.
Speaker 2: With jay Ron curse.
Speaker 9: Like you said, it's a it's a back issue and
Speaker 9: we don't know the extent of it, but it's a
Speaker 9: short week period and if you're having a back issue,
Speaker 9: you know, two games and four days that can be
Speaker 9: a rough one. So if you're asking me jay Ron's
Speaker 9: availability before we see today and tomorrow's practice report, I
Speaker 9: put it at fifty to fifty and if he isn't
Speaker 9: able to go, kind of going to what Amber was
Speaker 9: talking about when it comes to death, maybe you get
Speaker 9: to see more reps of one. Yeah, Yeah, you get
Speaker 9: more reps of one, yeah, Thomas, and maybe you sprinkle
Speaker 9: in some easy there as well to try to help
Speaker 9: you with some tight end coverage.
Speaker 3: So important this week too with Logan Thomas.
Speaker 9: So I will say I do have some concern about
Speaker 9: jay Ron. Not as much with CD, but jay Ron
Speaker 9: with that back injury. Yeah, I could see him being
Speaker 9: a fifty to fifty maybe even a game time decision.
Speaker 5: Brian, you mentioned that jay Ron curse you'd watched and
Speaker 5: thought he had a little better week week. You know,
Speaker 5: actually I was thinking the same thing about about I'm
Speaker 5: john a blank now for safety six.
Speaker 6: Donald wils Yeah, Donald Wilson.
Speaker 5: I actually, as I was watching the game, I was like,
Speaker 5: you know, there were a couple of plays that weren't
Speaker 5: quite that that one big run he kind of missed
Speaker 5: the tackle. There were a few, yeah, but there were
Speaker 5: a few others where I felt like he kind of
Speaker 5: did a made a couple of plays that were bigger plays.
Speaker 6: There were plays tackles for a lost tackle of.
Speaker 5: No game, that kind of thing, and uh, and it
Speaker 5: made me think back to our conversation about the safeties
Speaker 5: and saying, you know he is I think that was
Speaker 5: a that was a good sign for me for him
Speaker 5: because I hadn't really seen him have those kind of
Speaker 5: games this season where he made some of those plays.
Speaker 5: What do you guys think about across the boy looking
Speaker 5: at the safeties and three safeties how they played in
Speaker 5: this last game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think to me, when you there, there's been
Speaker 3: some times where they've struggled, and I maybe it's a
Speaker 3: little bit of health, you know. To me, I just
Speaker 3: my expectations were when I when we were talking about
Speaker 3: this team in June was I looked at safety as
Speaker 3: a real strength of this team. You know, we start
Speaker 3: talking about what are the best positions, you know, rank power,
Speaker 3: rank the positions, radio you do in June and you know, safety,
Speaker 3: safety was all. You know, safety was always up there.
Speaker 3: And I kind of felt like though that that you know,
Speaker 3: early on, you know, with when Wilson got hurt in camp,
Speaker 3: maybe that should have been something that I said, oh
Speaker 3: here we go. Something is not going to be right
Speaker 3: with this group. This this year. But they but the
Speaker 3: last game, as you mentioned, much better job with the
Speaker 3: covering of aspect, much better, playing in the box, much
Speaker 3: better with some of the physical finishes. The group is
Speaker 3: clearly capable of making plays, and they need them to
Speaker 3: make some plays. And and and we saw that last
Speaker 3: week against the Panthers. I was, I was. I felt
Speaker 3: a little bit better about the overall group than I
Speaker 3: had in some of the previous games.
Speaker 9: True, and I feel like that trio, that hybrid, not hybrid,
Speaker 9: but that hydra, three headed hydra, which is Malie Hooker,
Speaker 9: Donovan Wilson, excuse me, and j Ron Curse. They're really
Speaker 9: starting to kind of find their legs over these past
Speaker 9: several games. And I do attribute some of the hiccups
Speaker 9: early on to Donovan Wilson having missed the entirety of
Speaker 9: training camp with that cavstrain. When it happened, we didn't
Speaker 9: expect that he would miss the entirety, but he did.
Speaker 9: And then it took a while, I believe, for just
Speaker 9: those three as a unit to kind of refine themselves.
Speaker 9: And I think they've done that, which is why if
Speaker 9: jay Ron Curse can't go, I don't think it will
Speaker 9: be a massive blow thanks to guys like juan Ye
Speaker 9: Thomas and and Izzy Mukuamu, but it still would be
Speaker 9: a drop off in talent there. So but they played well.
Speaker 9: And even when you look at you know what jay
Speaker 9: Ron was able to do against the Panthers. If you
Speaker 9: for those that will point out that, you know, deep
Speaker 9: left route that was a conversion for Bryce Young, you
Speaker 9: could argue, OPI there.
Speaker 2: I mean there was a.
Speaker 9: Lot of hand played there, Yeah, a lot of pushing
Speaker 9: going on to create space for the receivers. So even
Speaker 9: inclusive of that, I mean, jay Ron was right on
Speaker 9: this hip the whole time. So Jon's really ramped up,
Speaker 9: Donovan is finding his legs into an twenty three, and
Speaker 9: Malik Hooker he's playing some real good football just in
Speaker 9: twenty twenty three period.
Speaker 2: He's consistent.
Speaker 9: I mean, there are a couple of times where you
Speaker 9: wish this and you wish that. Before the most part,
Speaker 9: Melie Cooker is playing some damn good football.
Speaker 10: The problem with me is, like with those guys that
Speaker 10: are at the bottom. Yes, we've seen moments where there's
Speaker 10: clear talent there for sure, and we all like them,
Speaker 10: but we haven't seen enough just yet, just because they
Speaker 10: haven't got the chance to.
Speaker 8: And that's just how it goes.
Speaker 10: You know, you're not you don't play until you actually needed,
Speaker 10: and that's what's happening here.
Speaker 8: So the only concerning part would be maybe.
Speaker 10: The lack of experience, the lack of the amount of
Speaker 10: reps being on the field. We all know that they're
Speaker 10: capable of, but what does that look like throughout a
Speaker 10: full game?
Speaker 8: That's my question.
Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, real quick, before we get to the
Speaker 5: first break, I want to take time for lab Coat.
Speaker 5: We the last couple of weeks, we've missed that because
Speaker 5: we keep pushing into the later segment.
Speaker 6: No, no, we get to a later segment, and then
Speaker 6: what happens.
Speaker 9: Amber just keeps talking Diego and give him lab coat Diego.
Speaker 2: That's mile.
Speaker 6: I love that smile, all right, what you got for us?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 9: So the magic number this week is going to be
Speaker 9: minus forty eight minus forty eight, and that is the
Speaker 9: expected points average when the nearest receiver is targeted to
Speaker 9: the guy in coverage.
Speaker 2: So this is for Deron Bland.
Speaker 9: Deron Bland this week has set and with his pick
Speaker 9: six and his coverage against the Carolina Panthers has now
Speaker 9: set at next Gen stats record through the first ten
Speaker 9: games of any season in innngs's existence with the lowest
Speaker 9: target EPA of any NFL player, Who did he surpass
Speaker 9: to get that? Stefan Gilmore who had a minus forty
Speaker 9: five and twenty nineteen, what did Stefan Gilmore get that year?
Speaker 2: Defensive Player of the Year.
Speaker 9: And if you want to know just how crazy minus
Speaker 9: forty eight is, Sauce is four point three positive forty
Speaker 9: three above the Mendoza line.
Speaker 2: That is a massive sect.
Speaker 6: You know, the next closest player is to Duran You.
Speaker 2: Mean in target EPA. Yeah, let let's get that. Let's
Speaker 2: get that here we are.
Speaker 6: I want know the delta, like between him and the
Speaker 6: second best.
Speaker 9: Let's go from minus forty eight waiting on the Wi Fi.
Speaker 2: That's above my pay grade through that's above my pay grade.
Speaker 3: Hold on a second, it's been that way for like
Speaker 3: fourteen years.
Speaker 9: It is minimum twenty five targets. Yeah, it is passing
Speaker 9: the debo of the New Orleans Saints minus twenty eight.
Speaker 2: Look at the gap. Yes, that's that's a massive gap.
Speaker 6: So if you want the gap between him and the
Speaker 6: next person.
Speaker 2: It gets closer.
Speaker 9: So minus Seattle, Denzel Award is minus twenty six. Lagarious
Speaker 9: Sneid before last night was minus twenty four, and then
Speaker 9: it starts. Now you get below the twenty minus nineteen.
Speaker 2: Who are you looking for A brought.
Speaker 3: Us Woland from the Seattle Yes.
Speaker 9: What Tarik Woolan is minus eleven point six. So the
Speaker 9: drop off people I would have guessed for behind him, Yeah,
Speaker 9: the drop off between what Deron Bland is doing, not
Speaker 9: only in target EPA. He owns so many of these
Speaker 9: categories and coverage it's not even it's mind blowing. He
Speaker 9: is at this point of the season and there are nuances.
Speaker 9: You can argue skill sets, trajectories, whatever. But as we
Speaker 9: have this conversation, Deron Bland is the best cornerback in
Speaker 9: the NFL.
Speaker 6: He's definitely playing at that level in this season. For sure.
Speaker 9: Pro votes need to be filtered toward him a sceptually.
Speaker 5: Honestly, I think I don't even think it's a question
Speaker 5: at this point when you're talking All Pro, I think
Speaker 5: the question becomes like can he really be in the
Speaker 5: in the race for Defensive Player of the Year, because
Speaker 5: I think All Pro it's a hands down he should
Speaker 5: be in All Pro. There's no question about that, but
Speaker 5: there's a whole different level of getting up there to
Speaker 5: where you're actually in the consideration for Defensive Player of
Speaker 5: the Year. Just because, as we see so often happens
Speaker 5: on the offensive side with quarterbacks, same thing tends to
Speaker 5: happen with pass rushers on defense. It's very difficult for
Speaker 5: cornerback to win it. But as you mentioned, Gilmore did
Speaker 5: get that that nod a few years ago.
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Speaker 9: When you look at the front runners for Defensive Player
Speaker 9: of the Year, all of them are defensive ends or
Speaker 9: lined by outside linebackers.
Speaker 2: They're pass rushers.
Speaker 9: Miles Garrett, Michael Parss, TJ Watt, Max Crosby, Nick Bosa,
Speaker 9: Chris Jones. Those are your ones who have the best odds.
Speaker 9: And then you have to come all the way down
Speaker 9: to what becomes an eight way tie between Deron Bland,
Speaker 9: a couple of safeties, and some other pass rushers. Deron
Speaker 9: Bland is the only cornerback that even has a chance
Speaker 9: of winning this, but he's plus ten thousand.
Speaker 2: That's nuts to me. But like you said, Gilmore did
Speaker 2: it before.
Speaker 9: But that also goes to the point of why Bland
Speaker 9: should be in this conversation, because if you look at
Speaker 9: the numbers when Gilmore did it, forty nine tackles through
Speaker 9: sixteen games, twenty passes defense, six i ts, two defensive
Speaker 9: touchdowns through ten games, wo Darron Bland thirty eight tackles,
Speaker 9: twelve passes defense, six interceptions, four defensive touchdowns. It's there
Speaker 9: are no arguments to be made against Deron Bland being
Speaker 9: not only in the conversation for DPOY, but a front
Speaker 9: runner among those past rushers.
Speaker 3: I think in the Athletic they just had a survey
Speaker 3: and he was He's the third. It was the third
Speaker 3: vote getter for the most underrated player in the league.
Speaker 3: So people are starting to take notes.
Speaker 5: It's amazing any player for the Cowboys can be underrated,
Speaker 5: right because you know you're going to get the attention
Speaker 5: and when you play for the Cowboys.
Speaker 6: But yeah, it really is true.
Speaker 9: I can see it in your eyes. Next year when
Speaker 9: Diggs is opposite Bland.
Speaker 8: Yeah, no, I was.
Speaker 10: Just thinking of the next pick six that he gets,
Speaker 10: he breaks the NFL recorst and it's just it's so cute.
Speaker 10: Just again, I always say the same thing with him,
Speaker 10: but listening to him after the game and him talking
Speaker 10: about it and just saying, you know, he just wants
Speaker 10: to be remembered, and that's what anyone would have want,
Speaker 10: you know, making history, NFL history and getting on those books.
Speaker 10: It's like the only thing that why I would want
Speaker 10: to break the record is just to be on the
Speaker 10: record books and be remembered.
Speaker 9: And also keep in mind he's not coming from like
Speaker 9: a Power five school.
Speaker 2: I mean he secretly character.
Speaker 3: Man, the Fresno people are coming after him.
Speaker 9: But here here's what I'm going to say, and this
Speaker 9: is why They're going to load me from Sacramento State
Speaker 9: to Fresno State. And he's proving that schools like Fresno
Speaker 9: State can produce and after talent that can be elite
Speaker 9: and can dominate at their position. This is a fifth
Speaker 9: round guy. This isn't a first round of les. So
Speaker 9: it's not a second or third that maybe faill through
Speaker 9: some cracks. Fifth rounder who comes in and he's doing
Speaker 9: what he's doing. Eleven interceptions, it would be thirteen if
Speaker 9: not for that two drops against the Chargers. Through sixteen
Speaker 9: NFL starts, it's it's superbly ridiculous what Darron Bland is doing.
Speaker 5: Well, I'll take credit to our draft show guys, because
Speaker 5: I heard about him before the draft because of those guys,
Speaker 5: and when the Cowboys got him, I remember you guys
Speaker 5: saying this is the steal of the draft.
Speaker 3: Do a lot of shows. That's why we had to
Speaker 3: talk to you.
Speaker 6: Do you know, might we be able to do more?
Speaker 5: I don't know, but but the fact is, like that
Speaker 5: was that was like saying that was a huge credit though,
Speaker 5: Like that was huge like that, and he is from
Speaker 5: the day he showed up, he has been that level.
Speaker 6: Of player for this team. All Right, we're gonna take
Speaker 6: our first.
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Speaker 10: so we'll probably Briany is about to start breaking down
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Speaker 3: They don't run the ball an awful lot, but when
Speaker 3: they do, they can run it pretty well.
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Speaker 5: talk about the Washington defense. Despite going one on one
Speaker 5: in three over the last four games. When you look
Speaker 5: at the offensive numbers for this team, Washington's put up
Speaker 5: four hundred plus yards of offense in three of those
Speaker 5: four games.
Speaker 3: You know what I did? I did? I did the
Speaker 3: Washington offense.
Speaker 6: First, we're talking about Office offense, right, say, Washington defense.
Speaker 3: I thought you did for some reason, maybe.
Speaker 6: I'm talking about Wathingon offense.
Speaker 3: So I may have been said, okay, man, I was like, no,
Speaker 3: mess this up, No, here we go it eleven.
Speaker 6: Weeks with my head like I could have definitely could
Speaker 6: have messed it up. Okay, Yeah, absolutely, we're watching offense,
Speaker 6: got it, let's go. Okay.
Speaker 5: So Watchings put up four hundred plus yards in three
Speaker 5: of their last four games, even though it hasn't shown
Speaker 5: up and the win loss record. Yeah, what's been working
Speaker 5: for them offensively has allowed them to be so productive.
Speaker 3: It's throwing the football. They lead the league in passing yards.
Speaker 3: But the problem is that they throw the ball, in
Speaker 3: my opinion, way too much, way too much. They you know,
Speaker 3: their quarterback, Eric B. Enemy. I think I think Eric
Speaker 3: the Enemy is a really good offensive coordinator, but I
Speaker 3: don't get what he's doing. I think the strength of
Speaker 3: this team, I think there's two spots this team is
Speaker 3: really good. I think they're good at the skill at
Speaker 3: the wide receiver, and I think they're good at running back.
Speaker 3: And they don't run the ball at all. And when
Speaker 3: you watch them. When you watch them, you're like, man,
Speaker 3: they're putting this quarterback in harm's way. He gets sacked
Speaker 3: a lot, he gets hit a lot, and they lead
Speaker 3: the league. They just keep dropping back and throwing the football,
Speaker 3: and you wonder why. You know, he's got twelve interceptions,
Speaker 3: eighteen touchdown it's his first year start and we're talking
Speaker 3: about Sam how and I absolutely love Sam Howe. When
Speaker 3: he was at North Carolina, I felt like he took
Speaker 3: an unnecessary uh heat for how he played. His team
Speaker 3: fell apart around him. He was a can't miss type
Speaker 3: guy before the season his senior year and this season
Speaker 3: fell apart and he got blamed for a lot of things.
Speaker 3: But you could you could clearly see some talent here.
Speaker 3: But I just don't understand why that Eric b Enemy
Speaker 3: just just he just refuses to run the football. Here
Speaker 3: with these these backs that they have, because to me,
Speaker 3: I look at them, I'd love to have Brian Robinson.
Speaker 3: Antonio Gibson right now is dealing with a toe injury
Speaker 3: that that put him out for the Giants game. But
Speaker 3: we all know Antonio Gibson when he was like the starter,
Speaker 3: he was a guy who was a productive runner. You
Speaker 3: could throw the ball to It wasn't.
Speaker 5: That a Thanksgiving Day when he was here, when he
Speaker 5: had a really really great day out.
Speaker 3: He's always he's one of those guys that kind of
Speaker 3: now he's had some games where he's fumbled the ball
Speaker 3: at terrible times and it's and they've benched him and
Speaker 3: things like that. But he and Brian Robinson really nice
Speaker 3: combination of the two. And I just don't know why,
Speaker 3: but they continue to put so much pressure on their
Speaker 3: quarterback to have to make throws. And they've got skilled
Speaker 3: guys on the outside, but there is really no balance
Speaker 3: to how the Commanders play. And just me right now
Speaker 3: talking with us here with a short week I maybe
Speaker 3: this is the one weekend where where Eric bin Me
Speaker 3: says we need to run the ball or try to
Speaker 3: run the ball. They have to be terrified because the
Speaker 3: left side of their offensive line really struggles. And when
Speaker 3: you watch it play and it's the one on one stuff,
Speaker 3: but it's the twist stunts, the movement stunts that things
Speaker 3: Charles Leno and Chris Paul over there, it's like they
Speaker 3: can't sort things out. And what's the strength of the Cowboys,
Speaker 3: The movement of the front, the twist stunts the games
Speaker 3: they play. If they drop back and passed as much
Speaker 3: as they've been doing that, they're they're going to give
Speaker 3: up seven eight socks in this game. Yeah, it's just
Speaker 3: it's that, it's that evident. But but they've they've had
Speaker 3: games where they've moved the ball and it's primarily because
Speaker 3: they throw it and they they have they have big playability.
Speaker 3: We all know Terry McLaurin and what he could do. Uh,
Speaker 3: you know when you talked about talking about the Ohio
Speaker 3: State receivers that came out, all those ones that are
Speaker 3: in the league. Now, he's the one that probably gets
Speaker 3: the most. He's probably the most overlooked of all those guys.
Speaker 3: The way he plays, he is a he's a weapon.
Speaker 3: He's a downhill with carousel at Quota Bay. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: He just doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. He's gonna get
Speaker 3: a ton of targets. He's gonna get targeted in the
Speaker 3: red zone. Uh, you know, they they just mean he's
Speaker 3: a hardcover. Now I will say this, Diggs is digs
Speaker 3: in times has just taken him completely out of the game. Before.
Speaker 3: Now you don't have that option. Maybe it's bland. We'll
Speaker 3: take him completely out of this game, but you're going
Speaker 3: to need to know about him. You're gonna need to
Speaker 3: figure out a way to Johan Dotson's another guy that
Speaker 3: they're going to have to deal with. And then the
Speaker 3: tight end Logan Thomas. That's why I think it's kind
Speaker 3: of important when you're starting to talk about who's going
Speaker 3: to be safeties, how the safety is going to line up.
Speaker 3: You know, Logan Thomas is like a six to six,
Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty five pound guy. That is that's
Speaker 3: their primary red zone target. So you're going to see
Speaker 3: the ball go in his direction if they get down there.
Speaker 3: But man, I would not be surprised if they try
Speaker 3: and run the ball just because of the short week
Speaker 3: and they maybe they saw, hey, if we get into
Speaker 3: a throwing game against Dallas, we're going to get killed,
Speaker 3: and maybe they'll figure out a way to try and
Speaker 3: run the ball up.
Speaker 5: One of the interesting things is you look at their
Speaker 5: numbers from last week. They actually had a very very
Speaker 5: productive running attack, hit the Giants for one hundred and
Speaker 5: seventy four yards and had one of their worst point
Speaker 5: productions right of the sea in right So I wonder
Speaker 5: if that says to them, no, our best chance to win.
Speaker 5: I mean it was against the Giants team that most
Speaker 5: people thought had given up.
Speaker 3: But they can't protect. I mean you washing the Giants
Speaker 3: and it's like Thibodeau looked like, uh, you know, looked
Speaker 3: like Michael Parsons out there rushing the passer, and hey,
Speaker 3: they can't their left side of that line couldn't sort
Speaker 3: anything out. And you watch it all year and you're
Speaker 3: and you're going, they still aren't blocking anybody.
Speaker 5: Yeah, how do you find them running? How do you
Speaker 5: define their running scheme? Because when I went back and
Speaker 5: watched the last week, they did a lot of that
Speaker 5: pulls and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Outside.
Speaker 6: Is that what what Washington does?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think that's where. I think that
Speaker 3: where you're going to see everything is kind of there.
Speaker 3: They're one of these teams that likes to try and
Speaker 3: run the ball to the edge and then see if
Speaker 3: they can make the cut from from the middle. And
Speaker 3: that's the Robinson is not like I say, Gibson, I
Speaker 3: think playing is a little bit more too and throw
Speaker 3: around the corner, where Robinson is a little bit more
Speaker 3: take it plant and just go and just try and
Speaker 3: run with some power. He could be a tough guy
Speaker 3: to deal with right there, and they have they have
Speaker 3: another with if Gibson doesn't play, they have Chris Rodriguez
Speaker 3: is the other guy. He's a rookie from Kentucky and
Speaker 3: he's nothing but just a straight ahead, handed, hand it
Speaker 3: to him type guy and try and run through the
Speaker 3: pile battering a ram type of player. I wrote here
Speaker 3: in my notes. But but I just kind of feel
Speaker 3: like though that that man. I just don't know how
Speaker 3: you watch Dallas's tape and say throwing the ball against
Speaker 3: him is a good thing. Yep, I just don't. I mean,
Speaker 3: and not especially if you can't block, if the if
Speaker 3: the two guys, your two, your left side guys can't
Speaker 3: handle Dallas's strength, which is how they play with movement.
Speaker 3: They make you have to deal with all those twists
Speaker 3: and loops. And if you can't deal with that, they're
Speaker 3: they're they're just gonna they're gonna, they're gonna cause problems
Speaker 3: and they're gonna get sacked.
Speaker 9: And to support Brian's UH report, somehow pressured almost thirty
Speaker 9: nine percent of his dropbacks SECT fifty one times.
Speaker 2: In the NFL.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, the only the only team that has more sacks.
Speaker 5: That's giving up more sacks in them as the Giants.
Speaker 5: Giants who has to face Dallas twice and they got
Speaker 5: sixty three, but they have sixty three and then you've
Speaker 5: got Washington with fifty one. The next closest team is
Speaker 5: eleven under. Yeah, so it's like they're averaging one less
Speaker 5: sack of game over one less sack of game than
Speaker 5: what the company.
Speaker 3: But they throw the ball like they lead the league
Speaker 3: in attempts. You know, they leave the league in yards,
Speaker 3: but they lead the league in attempts. And I just don't.
Speaker 3: But because when you watch them run the ball, it's
Speaker 3: you know, it's one of those things. They're like fourth
Speaker 3: in the league when it comes to yards per carry,
Speaker 3: but they just don't. They don't. They have the fewest
Speaker 3: rushing attempts of any team in the league.
Speaker 9: And it's not that It's also not that how does
Speaker 9: well under pressure, because typically he does not. All three
Speaker 9: of his interceptions against the Giants were under pressure.
Speaker 2: He was two of eight under pressure.
Speaker 9: Let's not even talk about his CPOE in the vex mentry.
Speaker 9: It just it was like negative minus one zero seven.
Speaker 9: It was just crazy. So not only can they not
Speaker 9: protect but it's counterproductive for like Brian said, for them
Speaker 9: to keep trying to throw the ball knowing they can't protect,
Speaker 9: also knowing they have a quarterback who doesn't perform well
Speaker 9: under pressure. So maybe this is the game they flipped,
Speaker 9: say let's try to run the ball but outside zone.
Speaker 9: That that could work in the Cowboys favorite when you
Speaker 9: talk about athletic linebackers like Marquise Bell, Donovan Wilson, we
Speaker 9: talked about him coming on strong against the Panthers. The
Speaker 9: Panthers running game did well because Tuba Hubbard was going downhill. Right,
Speaker 9: So if you're saying, well, they're coming off of a
Speaker 9: game the Cowboys are wherein they allowed a good rushing
Speaker 9: attack or good rushing numbers, Well, look at the majority
Speaker 9: of it was Tuba Hubbard up the dirty gaps, not
Speaker 9: guys outside.
Speaker 5: I don't know if I agree with that completely because
Speaker 5: there are a number of big runs they got on
Speaker 5: the outside where they throw the garden tackle and garden
Speaker 5: center and got around that edge. And then it was
Speaker 5: because my issue with the Cowboys defense, specifically in the
Speaker 5: run a game against that in that game was I
Speaker 5: thought there were too many times when guys just.
Speaker 6: Didn't fill their gap.
Speaker 5: A guy got blocked, couldn't get off at the feel
Speaker 5: his gapsolute safety, a linebacker didn't run up and fill
Speaker 5: their gap. Like so when you talk about, you know,
Speaker 5: a zone read type running, like, I wonder about that
Speaker 5: where it is about gap integrity, Like in those kinds
Speaker 5: of situations, if you leave a gap exposed, the running
Speaker 5: backs whole job is just to be looking find a gap,
Speaker 5: burst get through it right.
Speaker 6: And so that's where it does concern me a little.
Speaker 9: Bit fair And it's not a situation where you speak
Speaker 9: generally about it and say, okay, well, let's say the
Speaker 9: commanders focus on an outside zone.
Speaker 2: That doesn't mean they're only going to run an outside zone.
Speaker 9: When I talk about you, but Hubbard and some of
Speaker 9: his big plays, some of those were on the outside.
Speaker 9: The majority were up the dirty up, the dirty caps,
Speaker 9: abs and things like that. So could there be success
Speaker 9: on the outside, Yes, But then I harken back to
Speaker 9: the what I've seen on the film, I would be
Speaker 9: more concerned if this is what I'm getting to. I
Speaker 9: would be more concerned if like an Austin Eckler was
Speaker 9: able to get off against the Cowboys because he was
Speaker 9: primarily attacking the outside, if Sakwan, who was primarily attacking
Speaker 9: the outside, could get off, if some of those speedy
Speaker 9: athletic guys in space could get off, Miles Sanders, he
Speaker 9: started to do a number on them. So if we're
Speaker 9: talking a little bit concerned on the edge comes to speed,
Speaker 9: I will give that to Miles Sanders. But I don't
Speaker 9: see to Brian's point that the commanders and Eric Bienemy
Speaker 9: are committed to trying that and that can change.
Speaker 6: Any given way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think I think Dallas's run game problems
Speaker 3: are more self inflicted than they are maybe the opponent Carolina.
Speaker 3: It was the big, the big heavy runs that they had,
Speaker 3: the big the runs that got the chunk plays, bad fits,
Speaker 3: guys get turned, guess the wrong way, trying to.
Speaker 6: Fill the Michael play with the guests.
Speaker 3: A couple of them, Yeah, a couple of them. But
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, that's but that's that, you know,
Speaker 3: that's those are things that if I'm I just don't
Speaker 3: know how the commanders could look at that and say
Speaker 3: we can block this front passing the ball. I don't
Speaker 3: know how. You know, if you you know, if you
Speaker 3: want to go ahead and see if your backup quarterback
Speaker 3: wants to play the next next Thursday. You know, go ahead.
Speaker 3: But sometimes these coaches get really stubborn, you know. To me,
Speaker 3: the best, the best way to try to beat Dallas
Speaker 3: would be try to run the ball. Try but Dallas
Speaker 3: is Dallas is, And I said, I tweeted this morning,
Speaker 3: Dallas is. Scoring in balance makes teams not get to
Speaker 3: run the ball, you know. They it's you're you're behind,
Speaker 3: you're behind fourteen points. Scoring in balance, you know, Okay,
Speaker 3: you're gonna sit there and run the ball and run
Speaker 3: the clock out. Okay, fine, you just lost the game
Speaker 3: by ten or whatever. I in I don't know, but
Speaker 3: that's I just kind of feel like that that that
Speaker 3: this game, if the Commanders have any chance, and they've
Speaker 3: got playmakers, they do, they've got the capability, but they've
Speaker 3: also got a quarterback that doesn't protect the ball very
Speaker 3: well too.
Speaker 2: And you make a great point. It's it's point differential.
Speaker 9: And guess where the Cowboys are playing on Thursday, a
Speaker 9: tante stadium where they have been blowing teams out on
Speaker 9: a regular basis. So Dak Prescott in that offense, which
Speaker 9: we'll we'll get to in Brian's count report.
Speaker 2: Tomorrow. But if they get off to a hot lead,
Speaker 2: then it doesn't matter if Eric.
Speaker 9: Binemy wants to run the ball boy or it's going
Speaker 9: to be on Sam how to drop back and then
Speaker 9: the cowboy get the te off. There's your pressure. He
Speaker 9: doesn't react well to pressure. And then maybe you were
Speaker 9: talking about fifth pick six for Deron.
Speaker 3: What was the one game didn't Denver come in here?
Speaker 3: Was it on a Thanksgiving and run the ball extensively?
Speaker 3: And I'm sorry, I'm throwing guys just under the bus,
Speaker 3: But there was a game where the Denver had the
Speaker 3: two backs and they just kept running the ball trms.
Speaker 5: Like it might have been I don't know, I get
Speaker 5: I get my memories confused on which game is which.
Speaker 3: But I thought it was I thought it might have
Speaker 3: been a Thanksgiving day game.
Speaker 2: It was like it was that.
Speaker 3: That Denver came in here and they just extensively said,
Speaker 3: you're We're just gonna keep running. Oh it was the
Speaker 3: quarterback with the gloves, the two gloves, he's a all
Speaker 3: over the play. I hate when I can't remember names.
Speaker 6: I know I do the same thing, the same thing.
Speaker 3: I hate. I hate when I I can't remember who
Speaker 3: was playing that day, but it was what it was.
Speaker 3: But anyway, they came in and they just kept running
Speaker 3: it and running it and running in Dallas really never
Speaker 3: had that two backs that did really really well in
Speaker 3: that game. We're trying to think of I'll think for
Speaker 3: here to.
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Speaker 3: Teddy Bridgewater, Teddy Bridgewater. I'm sure there are people out
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Speaker 6: And you know that happens to me all to Like
Speaker 6: I can visualize it.
Speaker 5: I see the person clearly, and I'm like, I can
Speaker 5: remember the number, and I'm like, what is that name?
Speaker 6: Why is that name?
Speaker 3: Just this happens way too much, the older you get,
Speaker 3: the it's way way too bad.
Speaker 6: I'm trying to start.
Speaker 3: They had a couple of games where they it was
Speaker 3: over two hundred yards rushing for the pair.
Speaker 9: So it was Javonte Williams one eleven on the ground,
Speaker 9: seventeen attempts. Wow, six and a half average. Melvin Gordon
Speaker 9: put up eighty. So yeah, almost two hundred yards. And
Speaker 9: you know, let that be a cautionary tail when it
Speaker 9: comes to the Cowboys and their Thanksgiving games.
Speaker 2: And we were talking about it during the break.
Speaker 9: They've had some some Thanksgiving games that we love, we
Speaker 9: love to forget, you know.
Speaker 2: We talk about that one.
Speaker 3: Oh that was November seven, That that was before I
Speaker 3: knew it was November.
Speaker 9: If you talk about the Cote McCoy game, talk about
Speaker 9: RG three's rookie season and he turned them into a meme.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, so that was a.
Speaker 3: Tough Philip Rivers and the Charger game here one time
Speaker 3: on Thanksgiving was pretty bad Buffalo. It was I think
Speaker 3: Josh Allen's first year in Buffalo. They came in there
Speaker 3: on Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2: I think that the Cowboys and handle business.
Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, let's let's get back to it. You
Speaker 5: have a fan question from Mikey. He says, can you
Speaker 5: guys talk about the interior defensive line and how they've
Speaker 5: played in your opinion so far?
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, you know, I didn't feel like that. It
Speaker 3: was Mozzie Smith's best game playing last week. I know
Speaker 3: Mozzi's made a lot of progress when I watched him play.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm encouraged by Mozzie Smith. It's the same
Speaker 3: story when Mozzi Smith's bad. He is late. I mean
Speaker 3: I took a picture of him. Everybody's moving and he's
Speaker 3: still in his stance, and I'm thinking, okay, just remember this.
Speaker 3: That's why sometimes he will struggle Hankins chase the ball.
Speaker 3: He gets there and then all of a sudden, it's
Speaker 3: like he's momentum carries and pass ball goes behind. That's happened.
Speaker 3: When you watch teams run, it's usually self inflicted. It's
Speaker 3: not something that Dallas is just physically getting beat. Now
Speaker 3: there's a couple of times they get turned and but
Speaker 3: for the most part they played, they've played really good run.
Speaker 3: They haven't given up one hundred yard rusher. There's something
Speaker 3: to that, you know. I think there's something too. Also
Speaker 3: their offense has done a good job of the score
Speaker 3: in balance, so I've talked about that too. But if
Speaker 3: you look at overall, the struggles that they might have
Speaker 3: is getting turned or getting moved or overrunning, and then
Speaker 3: maybe some size at linebacker, you know, I mean that's
Speaker 3: maybe with Bell a little bit. You see guys get
Speaker 3: up on him a little bit. Clark is still trying
Speaker 3: to find his way. But they were asking about the
Speaker 3: tackles right. Osa has been really consistent all year. I
Speaker 3: didn't think it was a particularly great game for him
Speaker 3: last week when it came to the run defense aspect.
Speaker 3: So it was just maybe one of those weeks where
Speaker 3: they just couldn't They made too many mistakes as a group.
Speaker 3: But overall, I think you have to give them credit
Speaker 3: for the way they played, because again, they haven't given
Speaker 3: up a hundred yard rocher all year.
Speaker 9: I think the interior defensive line they've had a couple
Speaker 9: of bad days at the office run defense, but you know,
Speaker 9: like Brian said, in not one hundred percent agree. We've
Speaker 9: talked about it before. This is a much upgraded run
Speaker 9: defense for the Cowboys, And you know, could they have
Speaker 9: had a better outing against the Carolina Panthers against Cuba
Speaker 9: and Miles, Absolutely they could have. As it comes to
Speaker 9: pass rush though, I mean, like oh so Olsa with
Speaker 9: second only to Michael Parsons in Carolina and getting back there,
Speaker 9: we look at Mazzi Smith. He made some good strides
Speaker 9: last week against the Panthers. I saw a little bit,
Speaker 9: some saw some struggles more than a half what was
Speaker 9: promising I believe I haven't charted here. Opening Panthers drive
Speaker 9: second and three, Mazi gets into the backfield and enforced
Speaker 9: that pressure in that dirt throw from Bryce Young, stuff
Speaker 9: like that flash and show you okay, once he strings
Speaker 9: it together he can get it. But yeah, I mean,
Speaker 9: not the best outing against Carolina from a run defense standpoint,
Speaker 9: But when you put it to the macro and you
Speaker 9: look at the fact that, like he said, they haven't
Speaker 9: allowed one hundred yards. Part of that is because the Cowboys,
Speaker 9: be it offense coming in live and or defense getting
Speaker 9: touchdowns that applied pressure via the scoreboard, So that helps
Speaker 9: in that capacity. But for the most part, the interior
Speaker 9: defense and has played very well, especially Jonathan Hankins. I
Speaker 9: mean not not not last week. We were sitting here
Speaker 9: praising Jonathan Hankins. So we can't take that away from him.
Speaker 9: One week later. We can just say that they struggled
Speaker 9: in Carolina and hopefully they get I think.
Speaker 3: I think Neville Gallimore is actually played pretty well for
Speaker 3: you too many you start to talk about there's times
Speaker 3: where I kind of see him get off the ball
Speaker 3: and get in the backfield, and I kind of hope
Speaker 3: it's Massie. You know, I'm like, oh, is that? Oh,
Speaker 3: it's not. You're kind of like, you're like, oh is
Speaker 3: that fifty? Oh it's ninety six. Okay, But yeah, But overall,
Speaker 3: I think Patrick's staid on about the assessment of where
Speaker 3: we're at.
Speaker 5: I'll tell you one other thing that that I noticed
Speaker 5: when I was watching that last game. There were a
Speaker 5: few times when basically the defensive end, you have a
Speaker 5: tight end outside the defensive end, tight end blocks down
Speaker 5: and it basically pinned the defensive end so they couldn't
Speaker 5: set the edge and the ball goes right around them.
Speaker 5: And that was kind of interesting to me because usually
Speaker 5: one or two things happen. Either the tight end isn't
Speaker 5: good enough to actually force that that guy to where
Speaker 5: that guy can't get around him, or teams don't do
Speaker 5: it to them as much. But that was kind of
Speaker 5: interesting to me that happened. I saw it happened to Mike.
Speaker 5: Saw it happened to Dorn's Armstrong. Sam, it happened happened
Speaker 5: to Sam Sam.
Speaker 3: Sam gets caught in between plays sometimes Sam Sam wants
Speaker 3: to read it the right way and then he's like
Speaker 3: and then he hesitates. I think that's what sometimes will
Speaker 3: kill this defense is when they hesitate and they're like,
Speaker 3: they're not really sure, and now the balls to them
Speaker 3: or past them, or or they're blocked.
Speaker 6: Or it flows. That happened with Sam one time it flows.
Speaker 5: Sam was a little late, so it created this gap
Speaker 5: because he wasn't flowing with everybody else on the defense.
Speaker 3: If you if you're getting your defensive lineman and they
Speaker 3: get turned and you don't see jersey numbers, you know
Speaker 3: you're in trouble in the running game when everybody gets turned,
Speaker 3: because that means those guys are up on the linebackers
Speaker 3: for sure. All right.
Speaker 6: I think that's a wrap for us today.
Speaker 5: We'll be back tomorrow. Tomorrow we'll get into the Washington
Speaker 5: defense versus the Cowboys offense. We're on the same page
Speaker 5: on this one, Washington Cowboys offense. We'll also give you
Speaker 5: guys what we think is gonna happen on Thursday, Thanksgiving Day.
Speaker 5: What will happen between the Cowboys and Commanders till then?
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