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Speaker 2: I am Dale Lolly here with Max Starks and Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 2: This is our number two of our little grouping here

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Speaker 2: on the drive. And uh what We've had an ongoing

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Speaker 2: coverage here all week long from the NFL scouting Combine

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Speaker 2: here in Indianapolis, and lots of good stuff going on here,

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Speaker 2: lots of information now falling into our laps here.

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Speaker 1: They're getting ready now on. It's good to see rich

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Speaker 1: island Eisen smiling face there. You know combine has begun.

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Speaker 1: Let's go, Yeah, run Rich run yep? Yeah? Could you

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Speaker 1: beat Rich in a forty no question? Yeah, no question?

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Speaker 1: What what do you around?

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Speaker 3: He's like he's like high fives almost six, like six

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Speaker 3: is now at his age.

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Speaker 1: We know you're beating him. I am, I am. I

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Speaker 1: promise you if you put me he underestimates us. All good,

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Speaker 1: because who were we talking about last week? That? Uh,

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Speaker 1: I forget what you thought you could do that I

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Speaker 1: highly questioned. I know, I know for a fact I

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Speaker 1: would beat Rich Isaac if.

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Speaker 3: You put me right next to him. To oh my

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Speaker 3: competitive juice.

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Speaker 1: He's got like yeah, he's got like five strides to

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Speaker 1: get four. Yeah exactly.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm I'm going yeah, and he and.

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Speaker 1: Rich aside, I'm just not sure either one of you

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Speaker 1: runs like getting under six? Oh, I get under six?

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Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? Under?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can get under six. I can get under six.

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Speaker 3: I better because I'm also you. Also, I'm lighter than

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Speaker 3: when I next time the indoor. I'll hold the stop watch. Okay,

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Speaker 3: let's hold it.

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Speaker 2: I'm about the same weight now I was when I

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Speaker 2: graduated high school.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that was still a long time ago. I'll

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Speaker 1: take athlete thirty years ago than this athlete. Do you know?

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Speaker 2: I continued to play basketball into my early forties. The

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Speaker 2: only reason which was still quite a bit ago. I

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Speaker 2: can still. I still do enough running and stuff. I guarantee,

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Speaker 2: I guarantee, Yeah, and I do six isn't a slam dunk.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just saying I still. I still do cardio

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Speaker 3: on the treadmill. I still don't sprint very often. I

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Speaker 3: have a hunch no, but I do run at a good,

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Speaker 3: nice pace. You run, I'm walking. Yeah, I'm at five

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Speaker 1: And again when he talks about if you put somebody next.

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Speaker 3: To me, I did it?

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Speaker 1: Think I can get the competitive part? Yeah? I would

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Speaker 1: give you guys a pat on the back on that.

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Speaker 2: So they had the Washington wild Things in Washington, the

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Speaker 2: Frontier League team. They were having a tryout, an open

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Speaker 2: tryout their first year of existence, and they came to

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Speaker 2: the paper, do you guys want to have somebody do

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Speaker 2: the tryout?

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Speaker 1: Now? I was too old for the league at that point.

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Speaker 2: You have to be twenty six or under to be

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Speaker 2: in the league at that in the Frontier League, and

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Speaker 2: so I was like thirty three, thirty four.

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Speaker 1: At that point. And I said, yeah, I also twenty

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Speaker 1: years ago. Still my point, right, right, right, story, I've

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Speaker 1: heard the story many times. I don't think Max has,

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Speaker 1: but right, it's a story. They have us do all

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Speaker 1: the throwing and everything. They line us up to run sixties,

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Speaker 1: and they had us do it in groups. That's what

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Speaker 1: baseball does on sixties or their thing. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So there's another six or seven guys in my group,

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Speaker 2: and I beat them all because I'm running and these.

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Speaker 1: Guys are all guys that just graduated college. I'm next

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you give me somebody I'm running against now now here.

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Speaker 3: We got his number last year that he ran. I

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Speaker 3: have no idea what he runs, I'm about to tell you. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: six two five. Do you think I can get under that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Six, so I can beat Rich? Okay, yeah, I

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Speaker 3: I didn't run here because I pulled my hamstring. Ran,

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Speaker 3: So, and at that time, we didn't run forty first.

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Speaker 3: Reason why we run it first. I would have ran

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Speaker 1: So that's the thing. You never know what the weather's

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Speaker 3: I ran a five six five at Florida that day.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you think you're less than point four seconds

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Speaker 3: we're gonna have to just do it. We're just gonna

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Speaker 2: Do He doesn't know that if something like this were

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Speaker 2: I'm going to gore shack and I'm like, he's I'm

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Speaker 1: To get out of the gates. You're what does the

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Speaker 3: Do I need to go? And so yeah, so I

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Speaker 1: I would take that bet I could do it.

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Speaker 2: Because I've also seen eyes and like he does a

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Speaker 2: Oh sure sure, And he used to do it in

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Speaker 3: But let's face it, suits suits can be made in

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Speaker 3: He's wearing like an Italian you know, bespoke suit or

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Speaker 1: True, true, right, right right. It's not a mafiosis yeah, right, right,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, the Super one twenties. Right.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know if you guys know Robert Flores,

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Speaker 1: ESPN together way back when, and then he went to

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Speaker 1: the MLB network. He's a talking head on MLB Roflow,

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Speaker 1: and he was convinced he could catch two out of

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Speaker 1: three punts. He's a civilian like me. He's a non athlete.

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Speaker 1: He'll be the first time, I'm like, it would break

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Speaker 1: ESPN and just got a jugs machine and shot punts.

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Speaker 2: But you'll be black and blue and blood watching the

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. But they are at least football players,

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Speaker 1: They at least have been on a football field.

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Speaker 3: and then that's also and it's raining in your and

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Speaker 1: To lights and rain are in your eyes, and it's windy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and oh, by the way, awareness an NFL punter is

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Speaker 1: much harder than the drugs machine because they have every

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Speaker 3: Presley Harvin, even though I know he was inconsistent with

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Speaker 1: But like Johnston has like every club in the book.

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Speaker 1: We loved watching him at Camp Cam Camp Can. He's

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Speaker 3: He's like throwing darts in the dark with with with

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Speaker 3: fact that there's still levels inside of that, like the

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Speaker 3: which you're questionable, but but Janikowski gave you the most points.

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Speaker 3: They both last forever. Yeah, And then Jenikowski is kicking

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Speaker 1: Boom split the upright, just have you to do that, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's all we need to do. But I don't think

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Speaker 1: many of our listeners would catch a punt or run

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Speaker 3: Way, Yeah yeah, not a lot of listeners right right,

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Speaker 3: right right, because the talkers can't run it.

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Speaker 2: Understand the competitive nature, Yeah yeah, I get the juices.

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Speaker 1: I just think you're not a spring chicken anymore.

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Speaker 3: Spring.

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Speaker 1: Every one of those.

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Speaker 2: Guys who I ran against that day were a decade

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Speaker 2: I turned it. When we finished, when we finished, I

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Speaker 1: You should be right right right, You should be I mean,

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Speaker 1: been able to make the team. That had been awesome

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Speaker 1: if you've been Yeah, I wasn't that good. But yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you could hit or throw or catch.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, like those guys was suspect, gotcha.

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Speaker 1: I could hit the ball, though, But catching punts though people.

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Speaker 3: Think it's easy, not easy, not easy, And and the

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Speaker 1: These dts are getting ready to roll.

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Speaker 3: Of direction stuff. Yeah, it's the read and react drill. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Cause it's a it's a. It's a it's a.

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Speaker 3: Soup pine drill where you're on the ground or prone,

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Speaker 3: So there's one where the pine on your back and

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Speaker 3: Then there's the other one where you're on your chest

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Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, So So I really, I really love that

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Speaker 3: And you saw that with some of these guys. It's

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Speaker 1: It's not your forty time, your vertical, it's the drill.

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Speaker 1: The drills are really important to Yeah, and those drills

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Speaker 3: Say that pasture and it's lateral and it's nothing back.

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Speaker 3: You know when your back gets tight, you know you

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Speaker 3: Like I said, the only time a bitch press is

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about that when we come back,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about that. What's involved with that?

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Speaker 2: You obviously did that in your career, so we'll do

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Speaker 2: that when we come back. He's Max Starks. I am

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Speaker 2: Dale Lolly. That is Matt Williamson. This is the Drive

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Speaker 2: on the Steelers Audio Network and we are live at

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Speaker 2: the NFL Scouting Combine.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back with more right after this are back.

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Speaker 2: I am Dale Lolly here with Matt Williamson and Max

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Speaker 2: Starks and the running of the bowls has started over

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Speaker 2: there on the big fellows. The big fellas out there

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Speaker 2: running and uh, well, we just watched Darius Alexander break

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Speaker 1: This is about the only good one so far. We've

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Speaker 1: stepping up there. We talked. This one's interesting to me. Yeah, big,

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Speaker 1: Thirty two. Yeah, and I think him and Farmer are

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Speaker 1: the next two. Those two I think are very steel irrelevant.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we'll see how he does here on this one.

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Speaker 2: Of course, former Steelers scout Mark Orschak doing the the

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Speaker 1: Didn't look bad for a note tackle. I like that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: right right, Yeah, he's maybe if Starks moves out of

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00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,840
Speaker 1: the way, athletic coming out of these guys. Oh yeah,

436
00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,200
Speaker 1: he's they're laboring a little bit as they run.

437
00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,679
Speaker 2: He's that. And here's Josh Farmer. So he looks like

438
00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:03,800
Speaker 2: on tape too, Josh Farmer.

439
00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,160
Speaker 1: I bet I'll bet Josh Farmer breaks five seconds here.

440
00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:07,800
Speaker 1: I think he might too. Yeah he is.

441
00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,320
Speaker 2: He is a lean, athletic defensive tackle. Uh as lean

442
00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:13,480
Speaker 2: as you could be for being three hundred and five pounds.

443
00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:18,280
Speaker 1: I'm not in everybody's way. Well, it's better than where

444
00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:20,400
Speaker 1: you're standing in a second ago. You're like a human bill.

445
00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:24,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know it was not in the glass making family.

446
00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:27,480
Speaker 3: He kind of popped up a little bit. Yeah, I

447
00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:29,600
Speaker 3: don't like I don't like the head cock back like that.

448
00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:32,840
Speaker 3: Time's not terrible, but I don't know how much he

449
00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:36,040
Speaker 3: it wasn't efficient though. I wonder how much he worked

450
00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:37,760
Speaker 3: on the start and thing. Caldwell.

451
00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:38,959
Speaker 1: Caldwell was interesting.

452
00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:41,760
Speaker 3: That was explosive well, and and the gentleman next door

453
00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:44,080
Speaker 3: to me was just saying he had the second fastest

454
00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:48,320
Speaker 3: explosive like ten yards split of all Senior Bowl participants.

455
00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:51,520
Speaker 1: Okay, oh really okay, yeah, okay, yeah, No, it shows

456
00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,320
Speaker 1: he's a very active, even though he's jiggling in the middle.

457
00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,160
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and you and you can lean that out.

458
00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:58,639
Speaker 1: He's been like that forever, you know.

459
00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, you get him into uh you know, situation where

460
00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,280
Speaker 2: he's eating correctly.

461
00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,840
Speaker 1: Yes, fried chicken and biscus and gravy is not gonna get.

462
00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,320
Speaker 2: Running the running the McDonald's after you eat at the

463
00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:10,720
Speaker 2: cafeteria in college.

464
00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:12,800
Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't that doesn't work out, or I

465
00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:14,680
Speaker 1: mean probably and it probably has a Chick fil a

466
00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:15,719
Speaker 1: like contract there you go.

467
00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:23,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, or a taco bell in his house. Yeah, yeah,

468
00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,720
Speaker 2: it's it's uh, it's it's okay. Derek Harmon, Derek coming

469
00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,040
Speaker 2: up here here, Yeah, checking in at six four and

470
00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,520
Speaker 2: a half and three hundred and thirteen pounds.

471
00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,360
Speaker 1: I bet he runs well. I think he's I don't

472
00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,359
Speaker 1: think he's a super athlete, but he's a very linear athlete. Yeah,

473
00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,080
Speaker 1: that straight line stuff is pretty good.

474
00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:43,760
Speaker 2: And uh, he's getting into his stance here, he's off

475
00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:48,199
Speaker 2: and running. Of course flagged him. Yeah he's got him

476
00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:52,880
Speaker 2: restart here. But yeah, this is so everybody gets caught

477
00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:54,440
Speaker 2: up in the actual forty time.

478
00:20:56,560 --> 00:21:00,680
Speaker 1: Yea. For these guys, it's split the ten can split.

479
00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:02,080
Speaker 1: The split matters more.

480
00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like it's great, great if you can accelerate right

481
00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,480
Speaker 3: and have a nice you know, nice finish, But what's

482
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,080
Speaker 3: that first ten yards of explosion?

483
00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:12,920
Speaker 1: Look, that's because that's what you're going to be doing

484
00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:14,840
Speaker 1: on the football field and you're gonna do it fifty

485
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:15,680
Speaker 1: times a game. Yeah.

486
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,160
Speaker 3: Right, So it's like, even if it's not your top,

487
00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:21,000
Speaker 3: I want to know what your range is right consistently?

488
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:21,360
Speaker 1: Yeah?

489
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,280
Speaker 2: Can you can you get down into the you know

490
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:24,880
Speaker 2: for these guys sub two?

491
00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:32,040
Speaker 1: Yeah? That does not look not bad? Oh that's not bad.

492
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:36,199
Speaker 1: Actually yeah, I was expecting a little better. Yeah, it's fine.

493
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,240
Speaker 3: No, it's fine for a first attempt, right, yeah, fine,

494
00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,480
Speaker 3: but sugar, but but he popped right up and it's

495
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:41,880
Speaker 3: not great.

496
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,720
Speaker 1: Is there an advantage to going first on this or later?

497
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,720
Speaker 1: Do you want to go later? I don't think it.

498
00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,880
Speaker 3: I think it matters really between first attempt and second attempt.

499
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 3: You know, this is running against yourself essentially.

500
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:58,120
Speaker 2: Like Darius Alexander yea, he was he set the mark

501
00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,440
Speaker 2: early here. Yeah, but if somebody had gone out or

502
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 2: before him and run a four nine to two, yeah,

503
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 2: I want to beat.

504
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,639
Speaker 1: That, you know. Yeah, I mean just get a little faster.

505
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 3: There is a rabbit element to it. But like I said,

506
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,480
Speaker 3: when we're talking about we're looking at this like there's

507
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:16,440
Speaker 3: certain execution technique things that I hope that they're thinking

508
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,360
Speaker 3: about that versus I'm going to have the fastest forty

509
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 3: of this group because the weight variance is that we

510
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,400
Speaker 3: just went through, right, You're talking about everywhere from three

511
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 3: forty all the way down to like two sixty seven.

512
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:32,119
Speaker 3: So I know, if I'm three twenty, I'm not running

513
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:33,440
Speaker 3: the two sixty seven weight guy.

514
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:34,719
Speaker 1: I'm competing against myself.

515
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 3: The only thing I'm worried about is did I run

516
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,120
Speaker 3: faster than the three forty guy?

517
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

518
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,040
Speaker 3: If I'm sitting there at two ninety six, right, you know,

519
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 3: it's like, just beat that guy. You know, that's the

520
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,920
Speaker 3: only way that it's kind of like matters. And I think,

521
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 3: you know, looking at this, all of them can work

522
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:53,399
Speaker 3: on their start, right, because the one thing I remember

523
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:54,879
Speaker 3: and the one thing we try to teach our guys,

524
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 3: you know, when they run their forties, you've got to

525
00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 3: stay as low as possible and all rise as long

526
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 3: as possible, and rise as late as possible in those positions.

527
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 3: So a lot of these guys, if I noticed, Yeah,

528
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 3: but they've compacted their stamps so much that it forces

529
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 3: them to go right up because they're trying to get

530
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,159
Speaker 3: their legs to catch up with their torso you know,

531
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 3: they need to bend a little bit more in that

532
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,400
Speaker 3: and explode out and amount.

533
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 1: So the other thing you see once in a while

534
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 1: too is the weave. You know, some of them run

535
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:29,199
Speaker 1: like forty three yards. Yeah, yeah, that problem right as

536
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 1: I said, the drag ratio is yeah, exactly, keep it

537
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,160
Speaker 1: right down the middle, you know. Yeah.

538
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 2: So it's interesting though, we're getting to start to see

539
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 2: some of these guys run here and if they're in

540
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,640
Speaker 2: a commercial breakdown, I'm sure they're still nice running right there.

541
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

542
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so now we've now hit the delay, the

543
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 3: time delay on it.

544
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 2: But yeah, just uh with this particular group because it

545
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 2: is so deep, uh in this year's draft, and as

546
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:57,880
Speaker 2: you mentioned, they come in all.

547
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 1: Shapes and sizes. Yeah, you know, what are you looking for?

548
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: What your nose tackle is not going to be?

549
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:08,239
Speaker 2: Like you're in absolutely ideally you can marry that and

550
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,400
Speaker 2: get a guy a nose tackle who can also rush

551
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 2: the passer.

552
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,160
Speaker 1: But that's the first round guy.

553
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, the guy that marries that. It's like, you

554
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 3: better be in the top twenty, like you said, you

555
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,439
Speaker 3: should be right around our places where you're taking that

556
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:26,120
Speaker 3: guy and you yeah, that's Kenneth Grant. That's Walter Nolan.

557
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 3: You know, we want to see what and I can't

558
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 3: wait to see if those guys because I think Grant

559
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 3: was actually like two or three away.

560
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 1: But he said he's not going to Oh that's right.

561
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 1: He has a hamster. That's right.

562
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 3: There's so many bags in here. Yeah, that's a very

563
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 3: large hamstring. So he's not gonna work us. So I

564
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 3: would love to see what Walter Nolan's gonna run. And

565
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 3: he'll be later down this list because it's alphabetical. Yeah,

566
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 3: he should run well and should look really good and

567
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 3: should say I bet we're not worried about your your

568
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,920
Speaker 3: smaller cabbage like hands, and I'm worried about your carney hands.

569
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 1: I bet his tens excellent. Yes, the s m U

570
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 1: kid just ran a four, nine to five.

571
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 5: Okay, there we go, new new rabbit, new rabbit. Oh

572
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 5: look at dowcas Hey, that actually looked good. There you go,

573
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 5: that looked really good.

574
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: He's built like an athlete too. Yeah, he is gives

575
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 1: you the Seymour the type of boy Cam Jackson. Yeah,

576
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 1: he was struggling on that one. He was I'm sure

577
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be a spec.

578
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 2: He's gotta he's gotta carry all that butt down the Yeah,

579
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 2: he's got to. He's carrying a trailer down there with

580
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:35,880
Speaker 2: extra groceries back there.

581
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: Guys, Now, this one.

582
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 2: Should be good in es Peebles is a small explosive.

583
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 2: He's a twitchy type guy, twitchy type athlete. His his

584
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 2: get off reminds me of Javon Hargrave in terms of

585
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 2: his first step.

586
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: He just doesn't have the size.

587
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was what made yvon or what makes Yvonne specials.

588
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 1: He's a big man, but he has that quick first step.

589
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the the the butt too. Thigh ratio was

590
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 3: working in his favorite to have a big block Chevy.

591
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 3: You know, you know you want those RPMs.

592
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,439
Speaker 2: Matt and I have talked about him when when the

593
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 2: forty nine ers first said that it came out and

594
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 2: said that they were going to release him post June first,

595
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,360
Speaker 2: he's gonna be out. There's thirty two years old. Are

596
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 2: you interested in bringing Javon back?

597
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: You'd be a much discounted contract than the ones he

598
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: signed round.

599
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 3: I don't mind the contract, and if I can put

600
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 3: him in below Lario gon joby that that's a heck

601
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 3: of a steal. And you have the relationship, right, So

602
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 3: I mean I am still here, Yeah, exactly, Bar still here.

603
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 3: You know he could still draft on Yeah, and you

604
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 3: can still draft one and like you said, you can

605
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 3: put It's about depth.

606
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:44,199
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah.

607
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 3: You know how many reps can I take off of

608
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 3: Cam Hayward?

609
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: Can I get eight eight snaps less out of Cam?

610
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: Eight ten snaps or eight to twelve snaps a game?

611
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 2: Make it a big They've got a big quality snaps

612
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 2: because he's given you quality.

613
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: It can't be when Cam's on the field.

614
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 2: You give up three point seven yards for Carrey and

615
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 2: when he's not his five point one.

616
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 1: It can't be that.

617
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 3: It can't be a certain player that has a number

618
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 3: fifty seven type of snaps is what you're telling me.

619
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: It just can't be. It can't be that.

620
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 3: And I don't think he's gonna give you that because

621
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 3: he hasn't shown that in Philly or in San Francisco.

622
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,679
Speaker 1: I mean, he's not a run stuffer though, no he's not.

623
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 1: But he's a disruptor.

624
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 3: And the way that and the way the teams are

625
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 3: playing us now you want a little bit more disruptor anyways,

626
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 3: you know, versus run stuff. We're not going traditional two

627
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 3: gap that he played when he was when he was here, right,

628
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 3: this is more slashing, get past the first level, you know,

629
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 3: of the offensive line, and then read. And I think

630
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 3: he can do that really well because, like you said,

631
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 3: the first step quickness is there.

632
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 1: We've talked about Robinson a lot. He's yeah, guy, Yeah,

633
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: this should be a good time. I would think at

634
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: two hundred and eighty eight pounds for Ty Robinson, he

635
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: is at ralph. That's a good lean.

636
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 2: That wasn't terrible. Good for eighty three you'll take that.

637
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, forty threes flying first look, eight pound guy.

638
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 2: He may end up in round three.

639
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

640
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 3: And the biggest thing is you know, and and I

641
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 3: have my head down. Were they choppies steps or were

642
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 3: they long? They were pretty smooth? Okayty, okay, because that's

643
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 3: another thing, like a guy can long stride it and

644
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 3: get down there.

645
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that doesn't translate to football.

646
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 3: I need short, choppy, Explosivelia Simmons is not going to

647
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 3: be No, it's not going to be a good one.

648
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: Probably.

649
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 2: This is probably gonna be five and a half somewhere down.

650
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 2: He's six one, three hundred and thirty four pounds. He

651
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 2: is a true nose tackle tree, stump. He might be

652
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 2: a plant. He might have some uh yeah, he might

653
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 2: have roots.

654
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: I do like watching the big guys run though, because yeah,

655
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: I mean just the athleticism involved here for these guys,

656
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: I would love to see Grant. Yeah, yeah, that would

657
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: have been a one that would have helped. Well, I mean,

658
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: if you're the Steelers, you might not want him to

659
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: run at all. No, it might right, Oh, that last

660
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: twenty was yeah, wow, Hey, the gas takers on red

661
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: lighting on that.

662
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 2: He's that guy is never going to run forty yards ever, No, right, No,

663
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 2: he's just that's he might run fourteen yards.

664
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: That's what he has built.

665
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 3: Unless the play broke to the outside on a on

666
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 3: a on a pass and he has the lineup for

667
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 3: first down.

668
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: That's the only time he's running forty yards.

669
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 2: But he is a bowling ball of a human being.

670
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 2: Is her Stackhouse here is coming up from George three

671
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 2: Georgia guys, right yeah, tackle yep, and Stackhouse is the

672
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 2: nosiest of the group. Yeah, but he's an athletic looking

673
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 2: nose and he can stop there.

674
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: He stops the run. He's very good at stopping the run.

675
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 2: He'll say that, Yes, he's he's a rock in the middle. Yeah,

676
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 2: see what what he's got here?

677
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: That didn't go a rough smart? Yeah, real side to

678
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: side issue out of the start and ran a five

679
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: to one six but which actually, if you have bed,

680
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: if you diagnose it, that's not so bad. If you

681
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: do it that ugly and you still get down there

682
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: in five point one six seconds kind of waddling out

683
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: there left to right.

684
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 2: Three hundred and twenty seven pounds run stuff right like?

685
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 2: That doesn't bother me a great deal. Yeah, it's it's. Uh,

686
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 2: you got some fans in there watching this that would

687
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 2: be like you come up to as a fan to

688
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 2: watch these guys run their forties. I don't know, we're

689
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 2: watching it on TV. What am I talking about? Sure, yeah,

690
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 2: I get it. I mean it's it's fun to watch.

691
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:39,959
Speaker 2: If I was nine years old, i'd have been there

692
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:40,479
Speaker 2: in a heartbeat.

693
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: I love that. If you're nineteen, what are you talking about? Yeah?

694
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: Every year since uh yeah, I'm just looking at still

695
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: Ty Robinson is still the trend set see the best

696
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: right now? Yeah? And that three eight that was impressed

697
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: with three eight five, I might not run again if

698
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: I was like, I'll take it.

699
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 2: He looked disappointed after he ran that though he might

700
00:30:59,360 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 2: be able to get quick.

701
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean these guys do have goals.

702
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and he looks like a like a three four

703
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 2: defensive end at six five.

704
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it just you know again just Rex stuff. Yeah,

705
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: he might be a better version of warmly Lowry louder Mill.

706
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, that a little bit and teaching him even a

707
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 2: little more technique and as opposed to just going out

708
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 2: there and breaking things could be.

709
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:28,719
Speaker 1: Could work out well, No, I could see him sticking. Absolutely.

710
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 2: See if they've started to post these times yet on

711
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 2: on NFL dot com Here on the combine IQ.

712
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: Is the I'm sure they're all over Twitter, but that's

713
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: a lot more in real time here are they Actually

714
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: they're giving you the average speed as well.

715
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 2: So for Darius Alexander his top he reached the speed

716
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 2: of twenty point one two miles per hour.

717
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: Wow, that's that's flying for somebody over three hundred hours, right.

718
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 2: Like that's when we talk about watching Cam Hayward and

719
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 2: the stuff on to it run to chase down a

720
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 2: to chase down a screen.

721
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: Alexander fits I said the other day that like a

722
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: little you know, you're standing there as they're running at you.

723
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: A little bit of the p leaks out. That's what

724
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: we're talking about.

725
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 2: That that big and that fast, that's like, what's pretty rare. Yeah,

726
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 2: that's like watching a dinosaurs come to get you.

727
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: His start look good. I'm kind of a CJ. West fan.

728
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: Five five for a true nose tackle is lying. His

729
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: start was good. He came out low. Yeah, that is flying,

730
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: I'll take it. Yeah. Absolutely, he's on much of a

731
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: pass rusher. But you get him in the fifth round

732
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: or something, time me up for that.

733
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely he'll be I'll bet you he'll be around

734
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 2: twenty miles per hour there as well. Once they finally

735
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 2: post that. Okay, that's new this year. I assume that

736
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 2: is new this year. They're really starting.

737
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: You see that techno the trackers, They have them in

738
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: their shoulders. Those are the GPS trackers. Yeah, on their shoulder.

739
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: It was a bowl.

740
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how they keep track of all those times.

741
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 2: The Steelers even do it during practice. All the teams

742
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 2: utilize these things and you get to know how many

743
00:32:58,720 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 2: steps of guys took.

744
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, load management and yeah, yeah, I'm sure it

745
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: measures heart rate too, and yeah, that that kind of

746
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: thing keeps track of a lot of different stuff here.

747
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: Speaking of which, the NFL.

748
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 2: Yesterday has said that they're going to start using tracker

749
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 2: system on first owns.

750
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: What does that mean? They have the the what's it

751
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: called the Hawkeye system?

752
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 2: Okay, they utilize the cameras that help them set the football.

753
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: That's how they Oh, I thought you meant only on

754
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: the first not second down, third downs talking to you.

755
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 2: Now, it has to have to be approved, but they

756
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,959
Speaker 2: talked yesterday and they said that they're going to use

757
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 2: that instead instead of relying on.

758
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: The field markers. That's maybe crazy. For ten years, they're going.

759
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 2: To utilize that to mark these things and they'll still

760
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 2: have the field markers out there as a backup. Good,

761
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 2: but that's not going to be the main system. That's

762
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 2: what they would like to.

763
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: Move long overdue. It's not that I'm technically savvy. I mean,

764
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's more difficult than I could comprehend.

765
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 2: But well, yeah, because you're still using cameras and with

766
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 2: the ball is in the middle of the field and

767
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 2: there's a scrum massive man might not be able to

768
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 2: tell exactly where the ball is at, but you can

769
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 2: know exactly where the officials placed it.

770
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: And you know whether that's a first down or not.

771
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: So I always thought some smart young person from Carnegie

772
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,439
Speaker 1: Mellard or MIT or something could have figured that out

773
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 1: ten years ago.

774
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 2: Well they're on the cusp of doing that now. But good,

775
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 2: let's mass do a break. He is Matt Williamson. Max

776
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 2: Starks has stepped away for a moment. I'm Dale, Lolly.

777
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: We are live here at the NFL Scouting Combine in

778
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 1: Indianapolis here on Steelers Nation Radio and Fox Sports Pittsburgh.

779
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: We will be back with more right after this.

780
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 3: And we are back.

781
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: I am Dale Lollie.

782
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 2: He is the Matt Williamson and Max Starks has stepped

783
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 2: away again here. But having a little Max is having

784
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 2: a little technical difficulties a little bit little bit, but

785
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 2: watching the defensive tackles and a lineman here running there

786
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 2: forty times and starting to get some ten yard splits

787
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 2: and things of that that nature on some of these guys,

788
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:01,959
Speaker 2: and uh.

789
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: That's good to see athleticism actually happening. You know, in

790
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 1: Indianapolis bigger for a long time.

791
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 2: There's the difference when we're talking about those ten yards splits,

792
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 2: the difference in that so for example, Zeke Biggers from

793
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 2: Georgia Tech ran.

794
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: A five, which isn't bad for him, you know.

795
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 2: Warren Brinson from Georgia ran a five eleven forty. You'd

796
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 2: think that's similar, right, You'd think that their ten yard

797
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 2: splits would be similar. Zeke Biggers is one seven four

798
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 2: and Warren Brinson's is one seven to nine. Okay, Yeah,

799
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 2: the ended close together, right, but the start wasn't quite

800
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 2: the same.

801
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: And I've had one of them started to tuck her

802
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: out a little bit, you know. Yeah, But I'm the

803
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: ten's more important for these guys, Yeah, I mean it

804
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: just is.

805
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, So we're starting to get some of those in here.

806
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 2: Derek Harmon's was one seven seven, so he's kind of

807
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 2: in the middle there. He ran a five to one

808
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 2: to five the first Well, man, he's all right five.

809
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 2: I have two and a five one seven for his

810
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 2: two times. Yeah, that's he's.

811
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: Screaming Steelers, one of my favorite noses, and that's for

812
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 1: sure really active. Yeah, he's a little pass rush soon too,

813
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: Josh Farmers, Farmers our guy too.

814
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, his second time, I would expect him to do

815
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 2: better this time than the five to one four he

816
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 2: posted the first time around. Let's see if he can

817
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 2: make that happen here.

818
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 1: I think this guy is a real legit chance to

819
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: be a staller too. Yeah, just a good, good football player.

820
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 2: Active body type reminds me of Keanu bent In a

821
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 2: little bit, a little bit taller than Keanu.

822
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a false start there, but crazy long

823
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: arms for his height and weight. Yeah.

824
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 2: Now people are gonna look at this to say, well,

825
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 2: Terry and Ingram Dawkins from Georgia, the other defensive tackle,

826
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 2: he ran a four eighty six, but he ran a

827
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 2: four egy six to two hundred and seventy six pounds.

828
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: It's a lot different. Do you think he runs that

829
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: time with thirty pound weight on his back? Yeah, that's

830
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 1: just you know, so it's gonna look.

831
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 2: Yes, it's gonna look different than, for example, two hundred

832
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 2: or three hundred and twenty eight pounds Jackson, who's fifty

833
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 2: pounds heavier than him.

834
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and some of these guys will they accumulate like

835
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: the raz the relative athletics score and a speed score

836
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: that's based off of time basically verse weight. I mean,

837
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: you're not going to run the same just because you

838
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 1: run the same position or have the same body type

839
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: or the same beside your name right, exactly exactly. All

840
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: defensive tackles are not built alike. Yeah, and I I

841
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: hate it. Sometimes you get an edge guy in with

842
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: the true linebackers too, like they don't really hardly do

843
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: the same things on the field.

844
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 2: So when Max said to do his bench press when

845
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 2: he was when he was here because of the medical stuff,

846
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 2: he got pushed back to the next day to do

847
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 2: his bench and him comes bench with the defensive lineman.

848
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 1: Which that's on as bad as doing bag drills and things.

849
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: An edge guy with a two hundred and twenty pound

850
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: linebacker and used to be a safety. Yeah, you know. Yeah,

851
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: So Farmers having trouble getting on of the blocks there,

852
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: it'll be a third time.

853
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 2: Back to beck Fall starts there and again Mark Orshak,

854
00:37:55,200 --> 00:38:00,320
Speaker 2: the former Steelers scout right, is still running the forty

855
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 2: times here at the NFL Scout and Combine. And this

856
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 2: is stressful on these dudes, man, Oh absolutely, And Gorse

857
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 2: does a great job of just that nice calming voice

858
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 2: with them, keeping them. You know, I'll just hearing that

859
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 2: voice and not yelling at them, and you know you

860
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 2: can't do that, yeah, and adding to the stress.

861
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: I love how he pulls the groups together before they

862
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: all run, basically telling you we want you to be fast.

863
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: I want you to be fast, you know, like I'm

864
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 1: on your team. You know we're not We're not the

865
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: opponent here. That was a five to one to two.

866
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: The second time around for Josh Farmer. Slightly better. Slightly better.

867
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: They're all good enough. It's fine. Check the box, move on.

868
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 1: That would be curious for his tens. Whenever those start

869
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: coming in, they once they get that updated. Here, I'm

870
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: continuing to ref and these are all unofficial times. Sometimes

871
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: they get changed overnight and stuff. Yeah, this group isn't phenomenal,

872
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: by the way. I mean, there's some guys.

873
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 2: The ten yards split your Darius Alexander's ten yards split

874
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 2: was one seven to two.

875
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: Okay, you're hovering around one seven. Oh, you're in pretty

876
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 1: good shape for these big people.

877
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I mentioned the Ingram Dawkins. It was one seven.

878
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 2: That's the standard thus far for this group. But again,

879
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 2: but he's the lightest one. This run the lightest one there.

880
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 2: Although I will say that Robinson, if they posted, yeah,

881
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 2: his was good. They posted his, yet his was one

882
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 2: seven to one. So he ran a four to eight

883
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 2: to three at two hundred and eighty eight pounds.

884
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: I think he's making himself a little money just with that.

885
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:25,720
Speaker 1: I like his tape.

886
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, and that was the question with him,

887
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 2: is he is he Is he going to be big enough?

888
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: There's there's harment again.

889
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 2: Yeah and b you know, is you know, is he

890
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 2: going to be athletic enough? I think the athleticism is

891
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 2: there mm hm. And you know again at sixty five

892
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 2: to eighty eight pounds, I don't have to stretch him

893
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 2: too far to make him a three four defensive end.

894
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: Well I had five or ten pounds of muscle too,

895
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: I would imagine right right, piece of cake. Yeah, Now

896
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: he'd be interesting. Yeah, you think like fourth round for him?

897
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: Maybe third? Yeah? Maybe? Yeah, Yeah, I think he might

898
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: be on that on my best of day four you know,

899
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,720
Speaker 1: day three list. Yeah, when you go into.

900
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 2: That, absolutely, especially if if the Steelers haven't taken one

901
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 2: end at that point. But that would be somebody I

902
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 2: would I would take a look at because.

903
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: I'd love to be a part of the team. Yeah,

904
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you know, everything else is good. Yeah,

905
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: he's checking the boxes and.

906
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 2: The motors there that you know in the record routes, off. Yeah, yeah,

907
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 2: just go out there and make plays. No, he'd be useful.

908
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 2: See what what see if Harmon can keep harm under

909
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 2: five again? See if he can improve on that? Yeah,

910
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 2: nine seven ran the first time.

911
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 1: I did expect it to be a little better. Ye,

912
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:39,280
Speaker 1: I mean he can run and he's off a little

913
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 1: better start that time. This one looks a little faster.

914
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: Let's yeah, yeah, four nine five, Yeah, that's that's that's

915
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: he's a good day. The comparisons to him a lot

916
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 1: that you see.

917
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not surprised I see some Cam Hayward

918
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 2: type compsert because he will lock out the arm.

919
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: He'll use that. Oh is that long that one? Yes,

920
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 1: just bring him in and let him learn from Cam.

921
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: That would be the ultimate mentor obviously. Yeah.

922
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, So starting to get to the big fellas are

923
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 2: running and.

924
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: Rolling right along here.

925
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're getting through this group pretty quickly here for

926
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 2: their friends. We'll see the second group come.

927
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,720
Speaker 1: Out here soon, and then these guys will do jumps

928
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: and things like that, which you don't see much of.

929
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: You might just see a highlighter too, But I'm sure

930
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 1: we'll get some numbers rolling in when they do happen.

931
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 2: So Jamari Calbwell, we're talking about him the nose tackle.

932
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 2: His ten yards split was twenty six. Okay, not great.

933
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 2: I mean he's thirty though, right yeah, yeah.

934
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: Well three he is right now where they list him at.

935
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 2: Uh.

936
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: I mean he gets off the ball on tape. Yeah,

937
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: six two, three thirty two, So he is a it's

938
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:53,879
Speaker 1: not the not ideal, but that's I'm highly interested in Caldwell. Yeah,

939
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,439
Speaker 1: the tape, the tape show is better than that. Yeah. Yeah,

940
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,919
Speaker 1: I mean he's an active guy. He ran pretty well.

941
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: He looks like maybe a third or fourth round. I

942
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: could see that. Yeah, yeah, I could definitely see that. Yeah.

943
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 2: We're getting some some of this more information in on

944
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 2: these guys. As Max starts rejoins us here, we're starting

945
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 2: to see some of the ten yards splits posted. Yeah,

946
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 2: and some of the different times there.

947
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: Uh.

948
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 2: We were just talking about Max. The difference between Tyry

949
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 2: and Ingram Dawkins running. But he finished yet for age six. Yeah,

950
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 2: but he's he's two hundred and seventy six pounds. Yeah,

951
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 2: he should find should far running right now.

952
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, as opposed to some of these other guys called

953
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,240
Speaker 1: well streets thirty and some of these guys are sixty

954
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: pounds different and what was called just to question what

955
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 1: was called well's ten.

956
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 3: Yard split wasn't wonderful? It wasn't but it was three thirty. Yeah,

957
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 3: he's also three thirty, but it was six. Oh, I

958
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 3: mean for three thirty, I'll still take that because I

959
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 3: want to see posts. I want to see sub one

960
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,280
Speaker 3: nine for a guy that's above three hundred and twenty

961
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 3: five pounds. Yeah, like you get below that, I know

962
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 3: I have something in you. And like I said, we

963
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,760
Speaker 3: can still see yeah. No, he has a great first step.

964
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 3: And like I said, ty Ingram Dowks, what did he

965
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 3: finished with his one yard split?

966
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: He was at one seven zero Yeah, so it was

967
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:15,720
Speaker 1: like this is what you expect.

968
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 3: You expect that from him, but it's a surprise when

969
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 3: it's called. Well, so it lets you know one guy

970
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 3: can handle that weight better. I would wonder what ty

971
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 3: dawkins His split would be if he was at two eighty,

972
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 3: which is where I would like to see him at.

973
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: What he's gonna play at.

974
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, well he needs to be at that weight to play.

975
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 3: Does it differ from one seven to maybe one seven

976
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 3: to four or does it go for seven or nine?

977
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 3: Or does it go to one or one eighth. Bit right,

978
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. That means he can't handle

979
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 3: the weight as well, and also that means durability throughout

980
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 3: the season, right, the endurance level goes down adding that

981
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 3: additional weight.

982
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: Well.

983
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 2: For example, so yaha, Black ran a five, yeah, but

984
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 2: his his ten yard split was one eight eight.

985
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 3: See yeah, So that means, hey, if I want you

986
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 3: to be a true nose tackle, I can live with that.

987
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: You can talk yourself into that type of say. That's

988
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: the other thing.

989
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 3: You could talk yourself into stats, because there's always gonna

990
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 3: be some stats to show. And a ten yard split

991
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 3: for a d tackle nose type, if you get below

992
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 3: one nine, I think that that's plenty good at a

993
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:17,720
Speaker 3: bigger size.

994
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 1: But don't don't show.

995
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 3: Me two eighty five or two eighty and you're still

996
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 3: in the one eighth, Like I need you down. You

997
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 3: should be breaking one, you know, breaking that one eight

998
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 3: and being in the one sevens.

999
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: Absolutely, let's get to another break. That's gonna do it.

1000
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 2: For our second hour today, we've still got our left

1001
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 2: here as we've watched the big guys run here at

1002
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 2: the NFL Scouting Combine here in Indianapolis. He's Max Starks,

1003
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 2: I'm Dale Lalli, and that is Matt Williamson and well,

1004
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 2: this is Steelers Nation Radio and Fox Sports Pittsburgh. We

1005
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 2: will be back with our number three right after this