WEBVTT - Eric Chavez Podcast Reaction and Live Watchalong | 583 0:00:09.760 --> 0:00:12.360 What is up? Mets fans, Welcome to the live watch 0:00:12.400 --> 0:00:15.920 along of the EC three podcast. Yes, you are seeing 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:19.080 Eric Schavez his face on our screen. He has dropped 0:00:19.079 --> 0:00:21.200 a podcast, didn't even though he had one. Good for him. 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:23.480 I guess he's jobless right now, so he's got to 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:26.880 do the podcast circuit. He is talking about the Mets 0:00:26.920 --> 0:00:29.000 and he's airing the dirty laundry. May have seen some 0:00:29.000 --> 0:00:30.960 clips on Twitter. You may have seen some stuff on 0:00:30.960 --> 0:00:34.600 foul Territory. Eric Schava has been running his mouth recently 0:00:34.800 --> 0:00:37.279 because the Mets are in free fall, and I'm sure 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:39.160 he feels pretty good about it, considering he was fired 0:00:39.200 --> 0:00:41.680 at the end of last season. We're going to live 0:00:41.720 --> 0:00:44.840 watch this. We're gonna pause, make comments, critiques. I think, James, 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:46.479 you've seen a little bit more than me. A lot 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:48.120 of this is gonna be first time rip for me. 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:50.320 I saw the first ten minutes yesterday when I was like, 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:51.640 wait a second, I just want to save this and 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:53.160 do this pure So this would just be a fun 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:55.280 idea for our third episode this week. So I'm sure 0:00:55.360 --> 0:00:57.160 not that many people still at the end of the 0:00:57.200 --> 0:01:00.680 day are running to watch the full flow length ECS podcast, 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:03.120 right No, I don't think so. But you'll now watch 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:05.680 Mark and James of the metsup podcast, watch the EC 0:01:05.840 --> 0:01:09.039 three podcast. I'm not linking in the description. That's one 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:10.800 thing I'm not doing. You can go find it yourself 0:01:10.800 --> 0:01:13.600 if you want to. But uh, subscribe to our channel 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:16.200 mets up. Yeah, bat further ado, I mean, here we go, 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:18.520 Here we go, Eric Chavez, gotta start off with the vertical. 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:20.040 Oh yeah, this TikTok is so you need to start 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:22.040 with a TikTok, which is good. Yeah, all right, here 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:22.360 we go. 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:27.240 So the met let me rephrase that, so surns besides 0:01:27.280 --> 0:01:31.160 to fire Mendoza, why not the whole stets promo. Well, 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:36.160 he's he's already used that bullet in the chamber, right, 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:38.800 he's running out of bullets. 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:40.720 What are these? What are these? 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:45.160 Me? This was inevitable, This was the next step. But 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:49.640 Carlos wasn't a problem. 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:52.800 Who's editing this? Who edited this? Who? There's so much 0:01:53.000 --> 0:01:55.720 there's so many breaks in this that its driving me insane. 0:01:55.760 --> 0:01:57.520 It could be so much more concise. Also, at the 0:01:57.560 --> 0:02:00.160 same time, again, I don't know why the conversation and 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:02.120 has become by a lot of people that Carlos Mendoza 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:05.600 wasn't the problem. He for sure was part of the problem. Also, 0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:07.960 why are those so many people? Was Carlos Mendoza versus 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:10.160 David Stearn's I don't think it was ever really like that. 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:12.320 And I just have to commend Derek Travis. I don't 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:14.320 think I've ever heard the podcast use the word bullets 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:17.200 twice in the first nine seconds. Yes, he's he's really 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:20.160 uh's talking about bullets. He's using all his bullets early 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:22.239 on check out the Phoenix Country Club. I think he 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:24.360 spent a lot of time there last year. Right, he 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:26.680 did break found him on Instagram. 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:29.640 And I've said it before, Right, none of the moves 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:33.360 that he's made where's this usage or have made have 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:34.680 worked out? They just haven't. 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:40.400 It's so loud. We need to break this down on the American. 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:44.000 Podcast three podcasts. Yes, don't miss it. 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:46.680 Good grasp, it's gonna be hard hit. 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:53.880 Carlo's wasn't the problem. Right, We're back here with the 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:57.800 first time we've done. This is an emergency episode of 0:02:57.840 --> 0:03:03.080 the podcast with six Times Gold Glover, Eric Chavez and 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:05.239 Shaby Love. 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:07.840 The introduc show six Times Gold Glover, Eric Schavaz to 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:10.440 the podcast that he is his. I need to find 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:11.440 out who's Chris Hamblin? 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:11.760 Yeah? 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:13.880 Can we get a little Chris Hamblin background check real quick, 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:16.679 just so we know where this guy's coming from. I 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:19.040 know where he's gonna be, you know, glazing chavas the 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:21.520 entire time. The first one that popped up my LinkedIn 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:24.280 is the head women's soccer coach at Harvard. Don't think 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:29.960 that can imagine that's this guysover. The next one absolutely not. 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:35.280 Next one. The next one sets up drag shows. Not himy, 0:03:35.280 --> 0:03:37.080 they're gonna go out on them. It's not him. I 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:38.320 hope it too. So I guess I don't know who' 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:40.240 Chris Hamblin is Probably a friend? 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:40.840 Yeah? 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:42.160 Probably? All right, here we go. 0:03:42.280 --> 0:03:46.200 We do emergency podcast on this show very rarely, but 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:49.040 after what has taken place with the New York Mets 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:52.800 and your experience in. 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:54.880 New York, it's an interesting move. 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:58.520 And then your initial reaction that you posted on social 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:01.520 media yesterday, I wanted. 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:05.160 To are these guys in the same room and split 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:07.280 screening because it looks like this is the same room 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:10.960 they are. The back window looks the same but slightly disjointed, 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:12.440 and it feels like we're just on a wide table 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:14.240 and we brought together for a close table. Oh, they 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:18.279 are in the same room and they've decided to do 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:21.960 a split screen, which is also a choice, a split 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:25.000 screen without actually splitting the screen. They just they just 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:28.039 made it look more confusing. Okay, yeah, that's that's enough 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:30.360 of the low blow shots. Let's now take actual shots 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:30.839 at their shot. 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:35.480 Come in and just let you kind of give us 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:38.880 your thoughts on what's been going on, right first and 0:04:38.920 --> 0:04:43.239 foremost your reaction. Then, I always when these things happen, 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:46.320 I always just hate to have just the dump, right, 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:48.320 and you said something great this morning, like, then I 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:50.640 want to have a plan, like here's my plan would 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:54.800 be moving forward. So the Carlos Mendoza at the two 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:58.960 X speed and you have a very unique perspective as 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:03.400 to the regime that's in power now and the regime 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:05.240 that you worked for. You've worked for both of them. 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:08.719 So in twenty Chabez looks bored. Schabez looks bored. I'm 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:10.919 bored already. I'm gonna say this. Yes, he does have 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:14.040 a unique position on this regime. He was not hired 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:16.560 by this regime. He was fired by this regime. So 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:18.799 I got to assume that Eric Shabaz is not gonna 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:21.400 like what was going on. It's just an idea, and 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:22.960 two of his very good friends in the industry are 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:23.600 also both fired. 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:25.560 By the year he's twenty two. You were the hitting 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:30.120 coach for the Mets. In twenty twenty three, you were 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:34.440 promoted to bench coach under Buck Show Walter Shoe Walter 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:39.200 gets Run Eppler as well. At the end of that 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:44.520 season and the offseason gets run and the decision that 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:47.919 you make, you're able. When Carlos Mendoza comes in to 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:51.200 have a really had a relationship with him. You stayed 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:54.200 on board, right, And that's when the Stearns regime comes in, 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:58.160 and that that first year you guys go to the NLCS. 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:01.960 If you lose meat this option, I don't. 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:04.599 I'll let you get into it. And then twenty twenty five, 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:08.839 so funny about no playoffs staff turnover, and that gets 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:11.760 us to twenty twenty six, where before the All Star break, 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:16.480 more staff turnover and as you put it on your post, 0:06:16.720 --> 0:06:20.440 someone's running out of bullets. Yeah, and loves that. Yeah, 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:22.680 I don't even know. Let's just start at the beginning. Carlos, 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:28.280 we have a history giving Yankees organization. I love Carlos. 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:30.839 When he came over, we interviewed, we talked. 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:33.400 It feels like we don't need to start at the beating. 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:35.360 By the way, I don't want to hear about anything 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:37.960 about Carlsmonoz with the Yankees, in your relationship with him 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:40.080 when he worked with the Yankees. Literally get to the 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:42.960 fucking point. I think you should do expeed this to 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:45.000 X speed through and then when we get to a 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:47.240 hot shot, then we can put it back down. I think, right, 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:49.360 we're so what's from preamble? Right now, we're three minutes 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:53.800 nothing said. Three minutes in, we're through half a baseball game. 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:56.359 I thank god he was an extremely talented baseball player. 0:06:56.560 --> 0:06:59.520 This is this is I already knew. 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:02.160 I would that's too fast, that's too fast, that's too fast, 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:05.279 too too fast? Uh one to five, I'll try one five. 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:07.440 I would like the man I knew working under boone 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:09.000 for all those years as the as the band coach, 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:12.000 learning from him. Who I really respect. The way Aaron 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:14.320 bon goes about his business. I respect, you know, even Kashman. 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:16.480 The whole Yankee organization I think is extremely well run, 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:18.920 and I think every organization should you know, look to 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:20.679 them as is how to do it right right Cashrom's 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:21.560 been there for thirty. 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:24.040 Okay, I'm going to interject real quick because one of 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:26.640 the clips I saw was from Foul Territory as well 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:29.680 as from this podcast of Eric Schabas saying he's over analytics, 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:32.239 that you shouldn't be using analytics to run your team, James, 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:34.240 real quick, it's a big thing that the Yankees used 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:36.520 to run their their organization. They have one of the 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:38.840 most robust analytics departments in all of baseball and now 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:41.680 honestly earlier to most other teams as well. Yeah, you know, 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:44.080 just just making sure we definitely haven't seen like clips 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:46.080 of Clint Fraser and other guys talking about how analytics 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:48.880 have been ruining the Yankees. But now because Eric Schabaz 0:07:48.880 --> 0:07:51.160 was not fired from the Yankees, he does love the 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:53.640 way that their organization is being run. Was he not 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:55.360 fired from the Yankees? No? I think we just oh 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:56.840 we took him, Yeah we took him. 0:07:56.920 --> 0:08:00.560 Yeah, we poshed him plus years whatever, multiple series, they 0:08:00.600 --> 0:08:03.280 go to playoffs, every year, they develop players, they drop well, 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:05.360 they just do it right, you know, And I think 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:08.000 every organization should look at this. I instantly I knew. 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:09.480 I wanted to say with Carlos, we hit it off 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:11.640 right away, you know, we make that run. You know, 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:13.440 Carlos was the right guy, you know, in a tough 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:15.400 obviously in a tough city. Being bench coach, going a manager, 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:18.440 that's completely different seat. But he he's a good baseball man. 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:22.160 He's just a great individual. There's no reason why, you know, 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:24.400 he wasn't capable of being the leader. He took us 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:25.760 to the alcs and a hundred percent. 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:30.160 And I think that's what a lot of the criticism 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:32.199 for the firing of Mendoza has been is that he's 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:35.400 a great, great dude. And I don't baseball man, baseball guy. 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:37.840 I don't think that there's anything against that. Nothing has 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:39.920 show us that Carls Mendoza isn't a good person, that 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:41.640 he isn't a baseball life for all this kind of 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:45.920 stuff opposite, opposite, if anything, the managerial stuff in game 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:48.480 decision making, actual things that matters, wins and losses. I 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:50.360 don't think that you can see what he's done and 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:53.080 say he's done a great job. No, actually quite the opposite. 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:54.559 And again, both of these things can be true. You 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:57.120 could be bad tactically, but you could also be really 0:08:57.160 --> 0:08:59.280 good guy. Yes, and I think both things are true, 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:00.840 and it seems like people are having a hard time 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:02.840 separating those two things, which we're going back to one 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:05.600 point speed now because now they're actually talking Carlos. Let's go. 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:09.760 So, yeah, he has the he has the pedigree, he 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:11.680 knows the game, he knows how to deal with people. 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:19.160 And this was the wrong fire why why yeah we 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:23.000 can I'm just let's just get right to it immediately. 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:28.240 Serns was the wrong hire. And I think why we 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:32.000 can kind of dive into you know, you know, his 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:37.000 huge contract five years, fifty million dollars with really and 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:39.920 we've talked about this before about you know, climbing the 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:43.480 total pole and achieving certain things and kind of earning 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:47.640 your way to the top. You know, he came from Milwaukee, 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:52.480 built a great farm system, didn't really accomplish anything, you know, 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:55.760 And I want to know who who told Steve Cohen 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:57.920 that this guy was the next guy? 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:02.600 Okay, Gota we gotta address a little bit like listen, again, 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:04.760 this is not gonna be like a glazing David Stearns fest. 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:06.600 Again we've talked about on the podcast, and yet there 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:08.440 are still comments that don't seem to understand what we 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:10.920 are saying. David Stearns the last year and a half 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:13.240 has been an absolute mess. Almost every decision that he's 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:15.959 made has not gone right. Since the trade deadline, It's 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:19.480 been a complete disaster on acquisitions and players in and 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:22.000 team performance. There's no doubt about it. But I do 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:25.880 think that we're probably gonna see some goalposts moving here 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:28.280 by Eric Schavas in terms of what makes a successful 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:30.840 GM and President of Baseball Ops. Well, that's what I'm saying, 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:33.320 that not accomplish anything, not accomplish anything. So does that mean, 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:36.040 I guess impossibly, in Eric Shav's mind the only accomplishments 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:38.720 are pendance and World Series, and that could possibly be true. 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:40.880 I could definitely see a lot of play people from 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:43.640 the former player ranks feeling that way. But then you can't. 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:45.400 Sometimes you just can't hire guys who have World Series 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:47.880 ranks because they're not leaving their current situations. And David 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:50.400 Stearns had multiple divisions and playoff runs and went to 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:53.040 the NLCS Game seven multiple times lost to the Dodgers. 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:56.160 Even before David Stearns was the Brewers, he was with 0:10:56.200 --> 0:10:58.920 the Astros. He was an understudy in this organization that 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:01.200 was actually turning go over world serious championship. So if 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:03.560 wherever you moved the goalposts again, whether you could say 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:06.600 he was possibly anointed too far, that could be fair, 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:09.040 but at the same time say he didn't accomplish anything. 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:11.760 It's really a reductive view of someone who's a successful 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:15.160 executive before taking that same job. Here, I also feel like, 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:18.680 you know Andrew Friedman Dodgers, he was with the Rays. 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:20.880 They didn't win anything. They didn't they didn't win a 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:23.840 World Series. Under Andrew Friedman, they were successful similarly to 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:26.080 that of Stern. So it is interesting. I feel like 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:28.640 in baseball there's very few hires that I can remember 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:32.440 that run organizations now that had prior success, because, like 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:34.800 you said, you don't leave when you have that success, 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:37.240 and usually when those guys leave it's because they're done 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:39.800 with the job. They retire like theo. 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That's qui 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:45.800 n ce dot com slash foul for free shipping in 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:48.520 three sixty five day returns Quinns dot com slash foul. 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:50.400 These statements have not been evaluated by the feud and 0:12:50.440 --> 0:12:53.400 drug administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:54.560 or prevent any disease. 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:56.840 And that's also the other part that gets missed in 0:12:56.840 --> 0:13:00.360 these conversations about Davis Serines, the Metskysic, theowebscene. Dave don 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:02.720 Browski is like a big part of that job is 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:05.839 to build the organizational processes, and we're not inside enough 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:07.600 to know how successful those have been. With David Stearns, 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:09.400 we're assuming they're better because they were so bad. Well 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:11.880 here the last few regime regimes yet, but well these 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:13.520 are stuff wall come out. So it's like you can't 0:13:13.800 --> 0:13:15.920 it's hard to hop this job time over time over 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:19.520 time and expect good results process wise from your organization. Yes, 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:22.280 so I don't know. I'm sure, Eric Shav Eric Schabas, 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:24.679 by the way, has he won anything? Just quick check 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:28.280 for me. I don't think so. Was he bench player 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:30.480 two thousand and yekes? He surely won a World series 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:32.840 if he is talking about success and using that as 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:35.600 a benchmark as to how you get your jobs. Eric 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:38.680 Shavis six time goal Glove, one time Silver Slugger, zero 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:40.440 time All Star, Okay, got it? Cool? 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:44.520 Yeah, just make it right without even accomplishing anything. And 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:46.400 I think that's where we kind of fault. We come 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:49.360 up a little short in baseball. As we award players, 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:52.840 you know, the greatest whatever. We're quick to jump the 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:56.720 gun on people without having them be proven. And you're 0:13:56.720 --> 0:14:00.080 seeing a lot of this in the game, whether you're who. 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:02.720 Who do we jump the gun on without being proven? 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:05.000 By the way Carls Mendoza, if we do want to 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:09.000 talk about proven he had he was a first time manager. 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:12.240 There was not anything that he has done successful in 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:16.120 his life in terms of managerial success. So it's again 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:19.040 it's a crazy goalpost being moved. There's also and this 0:14:19.080 --> 0:14:21.600 is something that's become a broader conversation. It's come from 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:23.760 Eric Shava has been a big conversation baseball the last 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:25.360 two days. Like we said the podcast, he hatually a 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:29.120 huge conversation basketball for the last whole week about analytics 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:32.040 versus like former players front office roles. I feel like 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:34.040 there's this idea of these guys who like climb the 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:38.880 mountain top athletically physically, of like gatekeeping the games. Yes, 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:42.000 where you could be good at playing and bad at managing, 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:44.160 good at managing, bad at playing and I think that 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:47.840 there's this kind of like insecurity sometimes of these guys 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:49.800 that there's other people come in and able to run 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:53.160 these teams and organize organizations in a way that they 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:55.200 don't think makes sense to them, and they need to 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:56.680 take their shots at Well, we'll get into more of 0:14:56.680 --> 0:14:58.640 this as we keep moving. I can conceptually understand. Again, 0:14:58.680 --> 0:14:59.880 this is gonna be the nice thing I say about 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:02.720 Shavaz the entire time, he was a very good baseball player. 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:04.640 He was. He was awesome with the A's and like 0:15:04.840 --> 0:15:07.160 the no All Star shot, no world seriously, like those 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:09.680 loos weren't really in his control. He was a phenomenal 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:12.720 third baseman, great hitter in Oakland. He had a successful 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:15.520 baseball career. Similarly, it's like when you're really good at 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:17.640 your job and you have someone who couldn't do your 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:20.280 job telling you how your job should be done. Yeah, 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:22.480 it's a total mind fuck for these guys. They have 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:25.520 no idea, especially the old garb have no clue how 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:28.160 to handle it. And Eric Chavs was someone who actually 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:31.360 kind of I think benefited from analytics in terms just 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:34.040 a little bit, but like in terms of like evaluating 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:36.240 a player because Eric Schavaz He was like a two 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:38.880 sixty two eighty hitter with like a good on base percentage, 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:40.920 like some power get a good couple of thirty homer 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:43.640 seasons close to it in his prime, but fantastic defense 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:45.280 at third. Basic he's a guy who put up for 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:47.880 the war. And you're like, oh, this actually was a 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:49.680 really good player. Yeah he also I thought he was 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:51.840 a fantastic player. Ah, yes, of course, but this is 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:54.080 just it is funny again the goalpost movement that is 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:55.960 going to I think continue to happen here. 0:15:56.160 --> 0:15:59.680 Yeah, which is there managers that have zero experience or 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:03.600 you know, never can a big league dugout. We've kind 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:06.960 of jumped the gun on awarding people before they even 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:09.800 accomplished anything. So was that mentality like okay, so you're 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:12.160 you're on the staff, this guy comes in. Is that 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:14.640 what you're thinking immediately when they give him this title 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:17.360 that's never been created with the Mets before they put 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:20.520 him in a position that I mean, there was some 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:25.400 overlap between Eppler and Stearns, right, so you have the 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:29.000 overlap situation. So take me to when this is all 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:32.680 going down, what everybody's thinking, like, this is going to 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:34.960 go horribly wrong or maybe this guy knows what he's doing. 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:37.680 Was it bad from the get you know? Yeah, I 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:40.160 mean Cohen had the right guy, he had Eppler, you know, 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:42.920 if he would still be there. There was an inside 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:47.280 hit job that got Billy fired. Yeah, complete bs situation. 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:51.520 I'm not going to dive into that, but yes, so 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:54.040 when you say a hit job, right, like, there were 0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:57.760 people actively playing politics behind the scenes to run him 0:16:57.800 --> 0:17:02.120 out and was it Sterns that likely was the puppet 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:03.720 master of that now and he could get all the 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:06.240 control all okay, not at all. He came into a 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:09.480 situation that was a fire was lit prior to him 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:15.440 getting there. You know, I think, Steve, how funny is that? 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:18.720 So carl Eric Schabas mentions that there was an inside 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:20.919 hit job to get Billy Eppler out, well, because that 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:22.280 was the whole thing with the guys and the injurl 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:23.520 lists who weren't on the injured list, and he was 0:17:23.560 --> 0:17:25.679 under investigation. He wounded up being let go when he 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:28.439 was allegedly going to remain at general manager and I 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:31.360 think he actually will have I think Billy Eppler, truthfully, 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:33.280 looking back, probably is a good foil for a guy 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:35.000 like David Stearns, because he has a hands on he 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:37.280 comes more from the scathing world, and like he's a 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:38.960 member of the Brewers organization now and he has been 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:41.200 for two years working as a special advisor to Matt Arnold. 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:43.679 So I'm sure that I'm honestly sure that maybe Stern's 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:45.480 even helping in a word for him there, Like yeah, 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:48.040 I mean I am confused about just the direction of 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:51.399 where we're going still, because it's anti David Stearns. Billy 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:53.919 Upper was the guy Stearns didn't force him out, though 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:55.679 it was somebody else from the inside. But the problem 0:17:55.720 --> 0:17:59.360 is all David Stearns. That's not connecting. That comment really 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:02.960 helps me with Eric schab Is, you know, like reputability 0:18:02.960 --> 0:18:05.160 in this whole podcast, it's like you get another chance 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:06.960 to dump on Sterns. No one really, I mean some 0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:09.280 people who worked in the metal work in twenty twenty 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:11.879 three could corroborated that against him. But like that's so 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:13.520 the fact that someone else out there with a hit 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:15.840 job by Billy Elp is incredible. That is insane. Poor 0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:19.840 Billy Eppler, he's doing good. 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:22.280 You know that he wanted to go with Sterns. That 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:26.080 was a well documented grew up in New York's met fans. 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:29.359 I don't know why that would even matter. They don't 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:36.120 have the grace of love and winning. Yeah, sure it's equation. 0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:41.480 But yeah, I was because I didn't know David. I 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:43.639