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Speaker 1: is on the show today. Man. I love P and
Speaker 1: B's music. I think he's really slept on artist over
Speaker 1: the last few years. Obviously probably the last five or
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Speaker 1: look Bouleg Cavs Show special guests in here, my guy
Speaker 1: b and b Rock Man. Welcome brother. How you doing Bro?
Speaker 1: I cannot complain, Brother, I cannot complain. I feel like
Speaker 1: it's been a minute that's been done. An interview definitely
Speaker 1: pre pandemic. I like to point out during the pandemic,
Speaker 1: I sold you a PS five that was I pulled
Speaker 1: up like the day or two after the PS fives
Speaker 1: dropped to sell Young Blue a couple and then you
Speaker 1: grabbed I think you grabbed the PS five m the
Speaker 1: Xbox off being both of them. It was so random. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was super random, man. You know, I want to
Speaker 1: you know what I've been wanting to ask you because
Speaker 1: I feel like you don't get enough flowers in terms
Speaker 1: of your influence on the current generation as sound of
Speaker 1: where music is. Do you feel that do you feel
Speaker 1: that's the case as well? You know, I feel like
Speaker 1: you were kind of the first dude I can kind
Speaker 1: of really remember at least one of the first dudes
Speaker 1: that were really implementing I guess what we'll call like
Speaker 1: R and B shit, but from a street angle where
Speaker 1: it was kind of blurring the lines of hip hop
Speaker 1: and R and B, Like I really kind of feel
Speaker 1: like you were on the forefront of that. Man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie like I came home in like
Speaker 1: twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, wasn't nobody really doing that shit?
Speaker 1: Then I had got rebooked again because I was just
Speaker 1: fucking around, just kept not doing what I was supposed
Speaker 1: to do, and I got locked up again and in
Speaker 1: that mix of that fetti wop came out and shit,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh shit, somebody, somebody about to come fuck
Speaker 1: that wave up that I had. You heard me, But
Speaker 1: it was like when I still I still had to
Speaker 1: Like I don't know when I before I got booked,
Speaker 1: it was like I had shit rolling already, like shows,
Speaker 1: I had features, people was fucking with my sound already,
Speaker 1: and then I got locked up for like nine months,
Speaker 1: eight months. That shit was. It was like I was thinking, like,
Speaker 1: damn is over, like that it's gonna slow me down.
Speaker 1: There's another nigga. I'm hearing this on the running like
Speaker 1: this other nigga just came and he on the same
Speaker 1: wave while I was on you feel Me. I'm like, Damn,
Speaker 1: it's over. But that shit ain't stopped nothing. Though I
Speaker 1: came home, shit was even wave bigger than it was
Speaker 1: when I was first originally out there, like I was
Speaker 1: coming to fuck with me and everything, like on the
Speaker 1: pull up, you feel me that shit was different. And
Speaker 1: then I actually the person that signed Fetti Wi was
Speaker 1: the person that came to sign me, Orlando Wertenberg. So
Speaker 1: it was like, I'm thinking that the way it was
Speaker 1: going to be, I'm thinking it was gonna be a
Speaker 1: little awkward. You feel me, Like, Damn, this motherfucker. He
Speaker 1: probably don't think like I'm trying to steal his sound
Speaker 1: and ship and I've been doing this shit, but this
Speaker 1: nigga was the most genuine nigga ever when I first
Speaker 1: met him, Fetti. It's just heard such great things about
Speaker 1: Fetti Fetty the goat Man. Shout to Fetty Man. He
Speaker 1: put me on a whole bunch of game as far
Speaker 1: as like the music industry, like how niggas is going
Speaker 1: to carry He put me on like he told me
Speaker 1: how a whole bunch of rappers was gonna be before
Speaker 1: I even got to do it, Like, and I started
Speaker 1: noticing this ship, like Damn, Nigga Cutty put me on
Speaker 1: this minute niggas be really like trying to leach off
Speaker 1: you get when you get get, Yeah, that should be weird. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of that probably had to
Speaker 1: have happened to him because I feel like at a
Speaker 1: certain point in time, for at least a year, he
Speaker 1: was the hottest thing moving. Fuck it because when he
Speaker 1: was opening for Chris Brown on tour, people were more excited.
Speaker 1: And I swear to God because I was at the
Speaker 1: radio station giving away tickets to the Chris Brown Fettiwap
Speaker 1: tour and everyone was calling. They weren't asking for Chris
Speaker 1: Brown take. They were like, yoga when we want to
Speaker 1: go see fetiy Wap. And I'm like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: Chris Brown's gonna be there too. They didn't care. So
Speaker 1: he like he was a superstar for you know, twelve months,
Speaker 1: maybe two years. I mean it was a great twelve
Speaker 1: month run, craziest run. But I do feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: he was He's probably been in a position as if
Speaker 1: you maybe where you notice like maybe when you have
Speaker 1: a certain amount of momentum behind you, there's these industry
Speaker 1: people that come around when it's convenient or when it's
Speaker 1: very beneficial to them. But maybe when your shit ain't
Speaker 1: as scorted as it might have been, Like you really realize, oh,
Speaker 1: this shit is fake as fuck. Man, it'd be like
Speaker 1: you think a nigga is genuine. You think while listening
Speaker 1: to somebody music and give you like a picture like that,
Speaker 1: I think that this person like this. I think this
Speaker 1: person like I hold him up here because he be
Speaker 1: on that. Man, you meet these motherfucker maybe like who
Speaker 1: the fuck writes your music? You feel me like you
Speaker 1: need the same great bro, like it should be weird,
Speaker 1: and they'd be like, I didn't help a lot of
Speaker 1: people because I'm wanting people and I still do. I
Speaker 1: don't let that shit change me. I helped like when
Speaker 1: I had my run, even though like people used to
Speaker 1: tell me, like, bro, you shouldn't do this feature with
Speaker 1: this person. You shouldn't do this feature with this person.
Speaker 1: They ain't. They just trying to use it to I'm like, bro,
Speaker 1: if I fuck with somebody music, I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 1: I'm not doing this shit for the money or I'm
Speaker 1: not doing this ship that I don't give a fun.
Speaker 1: I'm just having fun. It's what I like to do.
Speaker 1: I like this ship. I'm gonna do it. You feel me,
Speaker 1: so I gave millions of features away shit. I mean,
Speaker 1: some people would say arguably, you probably give away your
Speaker 1: biggest hooks to the other. I literally one of those
Speaker 1: people that like because at the time, like my laby
Speaker 1: wasn't really doing what I want them to do for
Speaker 1: my music and shit, like they was putting it out,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't like having like a big push. So
Speaker 1: if I come across somebody that I know, like they
Speaker 1: labeled going hard from right now they're going hard, I
Speaker 1: will give you a whole like some shit that I
Speaker 1: already got and just give it to you. Let's keep
Speaker 1: me on it. You feel me. You know, I've seen
Speaker 1: the way you're in the studio. You're very like you know,
Speaker 1: some artists, you'll know if there's not more where that
Speaker 1: came from, right, real shit, Like then there's the prolific
Speaker 1: writers where you're like, this shit is so easy to
Speaker 1: somebody like yourself to get in and just lay down
Speaker 1: ideas that are fucking crazy. It's like for you to
Speaker 1: like give a hook away to somebody or to collaborate
Speaker 1: with somebody and give up with you know, some people
Speaker 1: might be like yo, man, they he man, p and
Speaker 1: b Rock gave up a crazy hook. There's so much
Speaker 1: more where that came from, and that's not the case
Speaker 1: for everyone. A whole bunch of the hooks that you
Speaker 1: hear that I gave to people, be like it'd be
Speaker 1: a story behind the type of shit, like too many
Speaker 1: years to call that black shit? Mm hmm. I wrote
Speaker 1: that shit. I was literally about to get sentenced, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like I'm in the fucking box
Speaker 1: with everybody's about to go to see the judge. You
Speaker 1: feel me. I'm I'm like, damn, I think geeese, motherfucker's
Speaker 1: too many years already and I'm about to go get
Speaker 1: sentenced again, Like this shit is wrong, you feel me?
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking of this shit. Well, I'm about to
Speaker 1: go see the judge and I'm nigga the melody everybody
Speaker 1: in there like the fuck you singing like that's just
Speaker 1: so hot. Let everybody in there here. A nigga was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: that shit deep bro, like you gotta go home and
Speaker 1: d like you gotta go crazy with that one right there.
Speaker 1: So I had this in the cut for a minute.
Speaker 1: I ain't never really dropped that ship like when I
Speaker 1: came home, because I ain't had the right beat in
Speaker 1: my head. I heard like a specific beat and I
Speaker 1: could never find that ship. You feel me somew this
Speaker 1: nigga Jay Graham, this is my guy. Shout to j Graham.
Speaker 1: He clutch, Yeah, I'm just in the cribbly highest ship
Speaker 1: this one. When I used to recording the crible with him,
Speaker 1: I'm just like, Bro, I'm trying to do this one
Speaker 1: hook that I got, Bro, can you please find a
Speaker 1: beat for me? He's like, Bro, I can't. I can't,
Speaker 1: like I can make a beat around it. I'm like, broll,
Speaker 1: that shit ain't gonna work, you feel me, like for me?
Speaker 1: So he like, just try, like just sing it and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make the beat around it. I'm all right,
Speaker 1: fuck it, I said, put the metronome more metronomes, Like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just sung the hook to that ship. You hear me?
Speaker 1: Because I couldn't find no beat, Bro. He made the
Speaker 1: whole beats around it. That shit. Wow. Bro, I'm like, damn,
Speaker 1: the whole hook to the metro and sometimes and that's
Speaker 1: never that never happens. Usually it's the beat starts are
Speaker 1: like a loop and then you do it. So so
Speaker 1: he made the beat to your under me that's crazy.
Speaker 1: We had the ship and I'm like, dne It's probably
Speaker 1: one of the biggest hooks I got right now, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And me and oh like me
Speaker 1: or Orlando were like, damn, like what were we gonna
Speaker 1: do with this ship? Like we gotta like if we go,
Speaker 1: if we go the way we want to go, it's
Speaker 1: not gonna go how we wanted to go, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Because they're not really pushing, pushing, pushing
Speaker 1: for my ship. So I'm like, man, who the next nigga?
Speaker 1: Like that you fucking with us? Like could tell this
Speaker 1: story for us? You feel me? Like, cause I don't
Speaker 1: want this to be my song at this point, I
Speaker 1: wanted I wanted to be big and I want this ship.
Speaker 1: The world to hear this ship. So he liket to
Speaker 1: sign this kid, Kodak Black Brother, You're on fire, Like,
Speaker 1: let me listen to this ship. I listened to somebody bro.
Speaker 1: He perfect for this ship, Like, let's meet this nigga.
Speaker 1: So I linked up with Kodak. He got on that ship.
Speaker 1: He was like he was amazing. He don't really fucking
Speaker 1: niggas at this point. Like at this point, Korak was like,
Speaker 1: I feel like he's kind of always been like that.
Speaker 1: He was on some like like very interesting, but when
Speaker 1: he heard my ship, he was like, damn, like this
Speaker 1: ship different. You feel me like I ain't never, I
Speaker 1: ain't know you was coming like that ship. And it
Speaker 1: was just like we started fucking with each other on
Speaker 1: that level and we always continue to make music after that.
Speaker 1: But that was like I got a lot of stories
Speaker 1: like the everyday relationship that was like my song you
Speaker 1: feel Me like me in the studio, and we could
Speaker 1: tell me and me and me and wife and Lucie
Speaker 1: in the studio, this is my session. You feel I
Speaker 1: just called him because I fucked through his music. You
Speaker 1: feel Me like. We met in Atlanta. I seen that
Speaker 1: he was in New York while I was in New York.
Speaker 1: I called him through the deepest ship and for me,
Speaker 1: you know, I turned that ship up from the rip
Speaker 1: he played the b I just went in You feel Me,
Speaker 1: went right in the movie this is it right, And
Speaker 1: then he came and followed me, and then we just
Speaker 1: was going back and forth, back and forth. It was
Speaker 1: supposed to be my song. You could tell by the
Speaker 1: way it was structured, like right, I actually had to
Speaker 1: take my verse and put it second type shit. But
Speaker 1: it was like already knew what they was gonna do
Speaker 1: with that shit, you feel me. They was going heavy
Speaker 1: in the strip clubs and heavy in the promotion in Atlanta,
Speaker 1: like as far as like just paying DJs to play
Speaker 1: his ship. Yeah, you know, I think it's a game
Speaker 1: they you know. I mean, I'm saying their runs not over.
Speaker 1: But during that time, they had a lot. They had,
Speaker 1: they had, they got the formula. I was like, at
Speaker 1: that point in time, they had a lot to prove too,
Speaker 1: because they had to show people that the rich On
Speaker 1: me Quan shit wasn't just the one time thing, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So it was like perfect time.
Speaker 1: And I think now, I just think you don't get
Speaker 1: enough love as far as like if we think of
Speaker 1: everyone who's like, I mean, really where you kind of
Speaker 1: were you kind of brought into the you know, industry.
Speaker 1: Obviously we talked about fat I think the future was
Speaker 1: doing a bit of that. Your shit is a little
Speaker 1: bit different, but that's kind of where the game is now.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna care. I'll be looking at it. Like
Speaker 1: at first, I was a little sour, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm saying, right, like, all these little motherfuckers come and
Speaker 1: taking my ship, and it's like my situation was a
Speaker 1: little bit different because I felt like my label just
Speaker 1: wasn't like they ain't believing what I had going on
Speaker 1: at the time. But it's all these little mes coming
Speaker 1: out and they they stream, they going crazy doing everything
Speaker 1: they supposed to be doing. I'm like, well, that's what
Speaker 1: we're supposed to be doing with my ship for me,
Speaker 1: and it's like, y'all letting these niggas out run me
Speaker 1: now because I can't even drop as much as I
Speaker 1: used to drop. It just was like a frustrating thing
Speaker 1: with my label. Well I do feel like too man
Speaker 1: like kind of what got you here was being able
Speaker 1: to drop freely heat up the streets. You know, It's
Speaker 1: crazy because I was in the studio like four or
Speaker 1: five months ago with you in twenty four and you
Speaker 1: guys are working on a joint project and it was like, well,
Speaker 1: how does this how's this gonna come out because of
Speaker 1: your label? Real? Right? Shout out to twenty four hours.
Speaker 1: But like I just saw you commented on snow the
Speaker 1: products post she had said she had posted her recap.
Speaker 1: She was like no management, no distro, no label, and
Speaker 1: this is what I'm doing. Maybe in twenty twenty two
Speaker 1: that changes, and you commented, no, no, don't sign, keep going.
Speaker 1: You are you're somebody who's been a part of the
Speaker 1: major label system for what six seven years? Now? When
Speaker 1: did you first sign fifteen? So yes, it's about six
Speaker 1: years right, and you know you've shared your frustrations with
Speaker 1: your label recently earlier this year. What what is it like?
Speaker 1: Where do you think kind of the disconnect is for
Speaker 1: P and b Rock and being on a major label.
Speaker 1: It's the It's like labels is like still like they
Speaker 1: catching up, you feel me, but it's like they still
Speaker 1: kind of stuck in the old stigma words though, like
Speaker 1: it's like a I don't know it and I don't
Speaker 1: know how to say. It's like the deals were so
Speaker 1: shitty back then, you feel me, and they still like
Speaker 1: try to implement that ship now like we're still in
Speaker 1: those times and they be like, bro, we're not we're
Speaker 1: streaming now and ship like it ain't me. People ain't
Speaker 1: going to the store and buying it. No fucking CDs
Speaker 1: and shit, no more that shit over. But they still
Speaker 1: got the deals kind of structure like that you feel me,
Speaker 1: and it's like, why the fuck If y'all can catch
Speaker 1: up with the money on the streams, why the fuck
Speaker 1: y'all can't catch up with the deals You feel me like,
Speaker 1: shit don't be making sense to me. And they be like,
Speaker 1: once you learn it as an artist, that should be
Speaker 1: like kind of like scary for a label. They be like, damn,
Speaker 1: what's my fucker answering too many questions right, like we're
Speaker 1: gonna figure it out. They'll try to stall you out,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But it's like artists are
Speaker 1: getting smarter, right, and then we like look at like
Speaker 1: the like I always look at someone like Russ, and
Speaker 1: I feel like Russ gives out so much free game
Speaker 1: the artists bro right, just like I he I always
Speaker 1: anytime I think like son, like I can't get this,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know what the fuck I hit that nigga,
Speaker 1: and like, Yo, what you think about this? Bro? Here?
Speaker 1: Really like give me the whole paragraph, bro, Like how
Speaker 1: I should do this? Some of the ship I could
Speaker 1: agree with some of this shit be like I could
Speaker 1: take that and not do how I do it. Hell yeah,
Speaker 1: but that nigga different, He's smart, bro, I feel like
Speaker 1: the labels hate Russ because he'd be really fucking holding
Speaker 1: their feet over the fucking fire. He popped his ship
Speaker 1: and it's all real. Real lawyers hate him because he's like, yo,
Speaker 1: if you're giving you a lawyer ten percent, they're holing
Speaker 1: you in real ship. I feel it's like, bro, when
Speaker 1: I finally got to know the business, because you like
Speaker 1: when you come into this ship, bro, like I see
Speaker 1: it all the time, like you just having fun. You
Speaker 1: just so like you want everybody else to do your
Speaker 1: ship because you want to. Like I don't want I
Speaker 1: don't want to have to beat the nigga to book
Speaker 1: my own shows. I don't want to have to be
Speaker 1: the nigga to be looking through these emails that's decipher
Speaker 1: if this nigga serious about this feature. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: make music right now. I don't want nothing else. And
Speaker 1: you will put that shit on everybody like you do this,
Speaker 1: you good at you do this, you feel me, but
Speaker 1: that shit be like you gotta know your business, bro,
Speaker 1: You gotta know what the fuck going on. You gotta
Speaker 1: know everything that's going on with this is your ship.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. At the end of the day, Like,
Speaker 1: it's cool to have people that the team. You need
Speaker 1: a team, but you gotta still be on your ship
Speaker 1: at the end of the day. You gotta know what
Speaker 1: the fuck is coming through these emails who personally? You
Speaker 1: gotta know the same people that this person. You don't
Speaker 1: want to be just having people make connections through you.
Speaker 1: But you're not even meeting the people you know. Everybody
Speaker 1: building relationships and nobody. You don't even know these people
Speaker 1: that should be different. Bro, you gotta you're You're dropping
Speaker 1: a new project on Thursday night. Yeah, my glow day?
Speaker 1: Is that your birthday? Oh? Yeah, sas Game the ninth
Speaker 1: is your birthday. Yeah, that's my anniversary, my wedding anniversary.
Speaker 1: Dr Gonna be in DR with my wife. Yeah, ain't gonna.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about Dubai. Hey, that's just how I'm feeling
Speaker 1: right now. Thursday is a big day. Kanye Drake got
Speaker 1: their show in La Thursday, your birthday. You got an
Speaker 1: album coming out. I heard the ticket, was like, probably
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be there, so I wouldn't know. But nonetheless,
Speaker 1: I'm always curious if someone like you, do you feel
Speaker 1: like if you were independent the last three to four
Speaker 1: years how much more music would you have dropped? Bro?
Speaker 1: What I got like in my phone and ship, my
Speaker 1: email and my heart drop. I probably got like over
Speaker 1: like two thousand songs that nobody ever heard. Type shit,
Speaker 1: Because isn't that much more harder if like you woke
Speaker 1: up tomorrow and said, I got a fucking EP with
Speaker 1: this producer. I've been cooking up with this whole week
Speaker 1: and it's crazy and I'm trying to drop this ship.
Speaker 1: It's not that easy. Fuck, No, Bro, I can't even
Speaker 1: say I want to put this ship on YouTube real quick?
Speaker 1: Ohh blob. You know what I'm saying, because they got
Speaker 1: my YouTube. You know what I'm saying. I don't even
Speaker 1: got access to my fuck so you don't even have
Speaker 1: access to your own YouTube. No, Bro, when I got
Speaker 1: sign D take over all your ship, he asks you
Speaker 1: all these questions like, all right, which pass word to this? Uh?
Speaker 1: Do you ever got to count over here? We need
Speaker 1: to pass word to this. You be thinking like, are
Speaker 1: they just going to have access to it? But they
Speaker 1: they changed your whole ship over me, like they need
Speaker 1: to rerouted my money. I don't even get my YouTube,
Speaker 1: che so you can't drop a video tomorrow or vlog.
Speaker 1: You got to send it to the label first, What
Speaker 1: the fuck? And it's like it's cool because I like
Speaker 1: how labels. I like what it's a it's a I
Speaker 1: gotta love here. It's a gift in the curse. They
Speaker 1: do what they now. At this point in time, my
Speaker 1: label was only Ship. You know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: they take care of everything they supposed to do because
Speaker 1: I dont got's too smart, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like I don't figure this shit out. And it's like
Speaker 1: we was at odds for a long time. When we
Speaker 1: came to a mutual agreement. It's like all right, when
Speaker 1: we finally thank you, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: appreciated it. You know what I'm saying. I was. I
Speaker 1: was feeling sour for a long time, and now I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm back, I'm backing my I mean, like,
Speaker 1: I feel like you had a couple of records that
Speaker 1: should have probably been a little bigger, Like you know,
Speaker 1: I think I was expecting the Nicki Murder Beats record
Speaker 1: to kind of go crazy, or they was mad that
Speaker 1: we even wanted to drop that ship because they felt
Speaker 1: like they wanted to ride the Trap Star turned pop
Speaker 1: star wave a little bit more like I ain't. I wasn't.
Speaker 1: I wasn't too pressed to drop that shit even though
Speaker 1: tones because I was working on the whole tape with
Speaker 1: Murder Beats, and I wanted that to be like a
Speaker 1: big roll out and wanted that to be the parking rollout.
Speaker 1: But at the point of the time, my management was
Speaker 1: just like, we need to drop this ship now, like Nikki,
Speaker 1: Niggy and NIGGI, I'm like, all right, fuck it, you
Speaker 1: feel me. The just was like, be pressing the button
Speaker 1: too early, that's fair. I think about before you moved
Speaker 1: to LA I remember I saw you right after you
Speaker 1: just I had to move out here, and I was like,
Speaker 1: good because I felt like there was a period of
Speaker 1: time where every time I would open my phone, it
Speaker 1: was just some bullshit. NB Rock was just in some shit.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what is fu Yeah, I'm like this motherfucker
Speaker 1: you wild. You know what I'm saying. Like I got
Speaker 1: out of this ship, I was gonna say, like, I
Speaker 1: feel like you've matured a lot in the last couple
Speaker 1: of years as far as maybe keeping yourself out of
Speaker 1: unnecessary situations that might bring unnecessary bullshit around. Do you
Speaker 1: feel the same way. Oh yeah, I got two daughters now,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, And not only that motherfucker
Speaker 1: is tired of this street ship. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Get burnt out, Bro, that's just tiring, Bro, stressful shit.
Speaker 1: You don't have to keep like looking over your shoulder.
Speaker 1: Day had Philly. That ship bad right now, Bro, that's'
Speaker 1: super super bad. Like we probably got like I mean,
Speaker 1: mergery right now tillman Philly five hundred and over five hundred.
Speaker 1: Over the last five or six months, it's been mostly
Speaker 1: females getting killed by niggas, Like literally what some weird ship,
Speaker 1: some like domestic violent ship. A lot of it been
Speaker 1: the domestic violence. A lot of them been like bitches,
Speaker 1: Like niggas is killing bitches. I don't know what the
Speaker 1: fuck it is. Like I've seen some ship where somebody
Speaker 1: thought it was like I don't wanna be putting it
Speaker 1: out there, so I ain't even gonna see that should
Speaker 1: be weird though, Broll. It's interesting too, because like we
Speaker 1: just we just lost Dolf, and Dolf was you know,
Speaker 1: I had a great relationship with Dolf. He was a
Speaker 1: great guy. But we keep seeing artists losing their life
Speaker 1: in their hometown. Right, happened happened to Nipsey, happened to x.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's almost necessary to kind of remove
Speaker 1: yourself out of your own environment for your own good, really,
Speaker 1: for your own livelihood, you know what I'm saying. They'd
Speaker 1: be like, people love you the most in your city,
Speaker 1: but they hate you the most there too, Like you
Speaker 1: got some motherfucker that just really likes I seen. I
Speaker 1: remember that Nigga was broke. Now he thinking, like niggas,
Speaker 1: we just don't want to see you win. For some reason.
Speaker 1: Some people got that crabb in a barrel mentality, like
Speaker 1: fuck you, I'm stuck. You gotta be stuck with me
Speaker 1: type ship. Like some when you see a situation with Dolph,
Speaker 1: you know or nip does it help? Does it kind
Speaker 1: of change the way you move? Hell yeah, before he didn't.
Speaker 1: The Nipsy ship was crazy. I think the first jonal
Speaker 1: for me though, was like somebody from Pittsburgh or some ship.
Speaker 1: Oh the guy who died he died the same day
Speaker 1: as nip Yeah, he did the same day. It was
Speaker 1: the same day. Damn. So yeah, I heard about that first,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, Damn, this motherfucker. Like he was close
Speaker 1: to Philly and Pittsburgh's night right there. Yeah it's far,
Speaker 1: but like we going the same type of ship kind
Speaker 1: of like you know what I'm saying, Like and I'm like, damn,
Speaker 1: that was a bad jont for the city. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Pittsburgh. I'm like that nigga was still
Speaker 1: in the trenches. He was kind of just like me,
Speaker 1: Like that was like a like damn need to It
Speaker 1: is just in general, I feel like crazy right now,
Speaker 1: especially I mean we both live here in l A.
Speaker 1: And l A is fucking why old crazy. There's some
Speaker 1: grand theft ato ship going on right now, you see
Speaker 1: with a nigga just walked up on in the restaurant
Speaker 1: restaurant and yeah, bro, that was goofy to be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: tell me, well, first of all, I'll be in the valley,
Speaker 1: so me and my wife keep it super low key.
Speaker 1: But I tell my wife when we go out to eat,
Speaker 1: I'm like, leave she got a big ass wedding. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm like, leave that ship at the crib. I don't
Speaker 1: even want to have to, bro. You don't want unless
Speaker 1: you're gonna move around with security, and you don't want
Speaker 1: to do that out one hundred percent. Feel me like
Speaker 1: that should be ass bro, I feel you people are
Speaker 1: targets out here, and especially if me out here. A
Speaker 1: couple of times, you feel me like I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 1: That ship will never work. Feel me, I'll be too
Speaker 1: on point. I'm from the same ship y'all trying to do.
Speaker 1: I did this sit you feel like you're ready for
Speaker 1: that kind of I'll be on it. You can't feel me.
Speaker 1: That's fair, that's fair. I think like a lot of
Speaker 1: people need to understand when they come to l A.
Speaker 1: I don't think this is a joke. It is also Yeah,
Speaker 1: but like yo, man, leave your fucking jewelry in the
Speaker 1: hotel room or just leave it at home, like you,
Speaker 1: there's no reason if you be moving around with one
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars for that, bro, Be safe, be safe
Speaker 1: some security. Yeah, Like I ain't gonna stare and say
Speaker 1: security is like an end all, be all A nigga
Speaker 1: ain't gonna try you, but they'll stake twice. Don't think
Speaker 1: twice about trying you. It just makes sense, you know
Speaker 1: it does? Man talk about you know obviously you being
Speaker 1: a part and working with SAO for people who don't know.
Speaker 1: So is XO the Weekend? I mean doojah Cat, I
Speaker 1: mean just superstar management. I ain't gonna lie. They put
Speaker 1: me on a whole bunch of game. Shout out to
Speaker 1: my guy, Manny, what what is something that you've learned?
Speaker 1: Uh being so close to them, because I do feel
Speaker 1: like there's something to be said that like right now,
Speaker 1: like Salent Company represents two of the top like three
Speaker 1: or four biggest artists in the world, or they manage
Speaker 1: a lot of people that they man. I mean they
Speaker 1: may have just just tried dollar sign they man. I mean,
Speaker 1: we can go down the list. But I'm just like,
Speaker 1: you know, so many right Shout out to my brother Belly,
Speaker 1: shout out to you know yourself, Shout out to you
Speaker 1: know Bbi Rexa. It's just so many artists right, So
Speaker 1: don't create those. But that's just like another level of ship,
Speaker 1: right when we when we get into the conversations of
Speaker 1: the weekend and you know, like, like, what's some ship
Speaker 1: you've learned about being a part of that team. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I just learned like structure like that when
Speaker 1: I went over there. I just learned like they taught me,
Speaker 1: Like when I come to album time and shit like that.
Speaker 1: Like as far as package and my ship, they put
Speaker 1: me on a whole bunch of game, like how they
Speaker 1: be doing the ship? You feel me? And they taught
Speaker 1: me a lot of shit about my deal because when
Speaker 1: I first got with them, that was like one of
Speaker 1: the main things that I was like focusing on, like, Yo,
Speaker 1: I need you to help me, give you out this bullshit?
Speaker 1: You feel me like this ain't it right? It was
Speaker 1: like they was helping me a whole bunch of this
Speaker 1: ship And I really learned a lot just fucking with
Speaker 1: them on that for me, Like they know what they're doing.
Speaker 1: What is if there's an up and coming artist with
Speaker 1: some some momentum right now that's independent. What would be
Speaker 1: your advice to them as far as what they should do?
Speaker 1: Should they sign? Should they stay independent? Like what do
Speaker 1: you think? I know not everyone's case is the same, right,
Speaker 1: but like you know, based on your experience, the easiest
Speaker 1: ship for the kids, bro, Like it's like you get
Speaker 1: your ship popping on if it depends, you can go
Speaker 1: either way. Like if you really want to go and
Speaker 1: sign to a label, you need to do this, do it,
Speaker 1: but just make sure you're gonna got one of those
Speaker 1: like crazy ass roy recoupitment deals. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You're looking for it, then, what's the fucking name is this?
Speaker 1: I just I just forgot the name of the deal.
Speaker 1: So you got, uh, you got royalty deals and you
Speaker 1: got there's two different type of deals, bro, I can't
Speaker 1: think of the name of it. Don't want the royalty deal,
Speaker 1: Just tell me you don't want to. What about on
Speaker 1: the pub side, because you're obviously a prolific writer, and
Speaker 1: I do feel like the pub game also has evolved
Speaker 1: a lot because there used to be the MDA what's
Speaker 1: the MDA MDR, sorry, the minimum delivery requirement joints where
Speaker 1: you had to have like a certain amount of fucking
Speaker 1: points accumulated before you could get out of a pub deal.
Speaker 1: So we would hear about these crazy ass pub deals
Speaker 1: where like you had to have five full compositions, but
Speaker 1: that would mean five five hundred points. Yeah. I don't
Speaker 1: even understand that, because if you write a record right,
Speaker 1: you might get like if you help on a line right,
Speaker 1: let's say you might get what you know, I don't
Speaker 1: know whatever points that might be, but it's definitely not
Speaker 1: going to be one hundred, so it almost makes it
Speaker 1: almost impossible for you to like actually fulfill the deal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that should be goofy bro. The way that shit work
Speaker 1: points is like I ain't know what the point was
Speaker 1: for a long ass time, right, I used to be
Speaker 1: like you could have a point. I don't give a
Speaker 1: fuck about no point, Like you ain't taking like no
Speaker 1: percentage of all that you can have a point. Points
Speaker 1: is like percentages at the end of the day, the
Speaker 1: same shit. So in points, So in deals, you got
Speaker 1: one hundred points, right, Well, say that you might get
Speaker 1: a deal where the label give you give you fifteen
Speaker 1: points and they get the eighty and that's after you recoup. Hell,
Speaker 1: that should be crazy. So it was like out of
Speaker 1: that fifteen all the bills is gonna come out that
Speaker 1: fifteen Yeah, like all the studio time, they're gonna give
Speaker 1: you an advance, and then that advance is an advance
Speaker 1: on your fifteen percent exactly, So whatever you spend that
Speaker 1: and then whatever you spend out of your budget comes
Speaker 1: out of that fifteen percent, and then the eighty five
Speaker 1: they take free and clear for sure, and then will
Speaker 1: fuck you up even more. Though it's these points that
Speaker 1: you'll be saying like, oh, you can have a point
Speaker 1: because you're a producer you did this, or you can
Speaker 1: have a point because you mixed it, or you have
Speaker 1: through the line or whatever. So you go from fifteen points,
Speaker 1: you gave him two points. Now you're at thirteen, right
Speaker 1: a point over to help you the line. Then you're
Speaker 1: at fucking twelve, and then that shit go down. You're like,
Speaker 1: look at you at ten points, and it's like, now
Speaker 1: all the money coming out of this ten points? What
Speaker 1: the fuck I thought I had fifteen points? That should
Speaker 1: be crazy, Bro'd be like that shit get tricky. That's
Speaker 1: why like when the artists take those big advances, like
Speaker 1: they really should try to make them last because you
Speaker 1: have no ida, Like you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: they don't tell you about none of that shit. Right's
Speaker 1: fucking broke. You don't got nobody around you that got
Speaker 1: no money neither. So you're the only nigga with money
Speaker 1: anybody looking at you. Now, let's it'd be crazy, like damn,
Speaker 1: I don't even got no money. Money literacy, Like I
Speaker 1: don't even know what to do with this shit right
Speaker 1: right right right right? Money? You uh, this new project
Speaker 1: coming out on your birthday? Who else on it on
Speaker 1: my birthday? Doug and Little Baby. I mean, shit, it there,
Speaker 1: it is, there, it is. That's all you I mean.
Speaker 1: And then this project wasn't even supposed to come out.
Speaker 1: I ain't a lot of shit. I'm forcing it right now.
Speaker 1: I wanted to give people something at the end of
Speaker 1: the year, like to because people been begging me for music.
Speaker 1: I haven't dropped the album, like damn there in three years.
Speaker 1: For me, it's like, I know, I know that I
Speaker 1: can't just keep not dropping because Tramp starting Pop Start
Speaker 1: was twenty nineteen. Yeah yeah, yeah, hell yeah yeah. I
Speaker 1: mean we were not to be in twenty twenty two. Shit,
Speaker 1: that's some real shit. So it was like, I like,
Speaker 1: get y'all a gift my birthday. For my birthday, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get yall gift for me. I'm gonna get y'all
Speaker 1: six smashes that I've been having. It's going if these
Speaker 1: songs was gonna go on my album, to be honest,
Speaker 1: but I want to give like a preview to the
Speaker 1: album for me. So whatever songs take off on this,
Speaker 1: they're gonna definitely be on the album. They don't for me,
Speaker 1: I put some no shit on there for me, but
Speaker 1: I just wanted to get some to my fans. This
Speaker 1: is called to get you through the rain, to really
Speaker 1: get you all through the rain. I know y'all tired
Speaker 1: to hear all these little p and b's. Y'll been
Speaker 1: begging me for shit, go a little six people. The
Speaker 1: little p and B's is out here, no kidzy, he
Speaker 1: definitely out there. I be peeping you feel me, love
Speaker 1: my fuck with because I understand him. But some of them,
Speaker 1: it's like you just totally taking the whole nigga sounds
Speaker 1: like bru, she ain't gonna work. I do feel like
Speaker 1: you didn't you and Rod Wave have a little weird
Speaker 1: moment online. Oh my god, we definitely had a little
Speaker 1: weird moment. I was trying to like I hit him
Speaker 1: up a few times or I'm like, yo, I'm fucking
Speaker 1: with your ship. You feel me, like right on his
Speaker 1: page type shit DM them he I guess he ain't
Speaker 1: see it. You feel me? But then I like posted
Speaker 1: like a little video of me like singing with his
Speaker 1: songs and shit, that shit kind of enviral. Like I
Speaker 1: took that ship down though, because I was frolm like
Speaker 1: like I was just doing some like doing too much?
Speaker 1: You feel me like this? Niggain't really like fucking with
Speaker 1: me like that. But anyway, long story, sure he had
Speaker 1: posted some ship on there now, but he went crazy.
Speaker 1: He was like, you don't fucking come to Florida. So
Speaker 1: he said some wild ship. I was like Jesus Christ,
Speaker 1: escalated quickly. So yeah, I'm like, hold up. I posted
Speaker 1: some ship on my Instagram and said like I'm so
Speaker 1: sick of this new type of music, like all this
Speaker 1: said ship, y'all making me like too depressed right now?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I want you to turn
Speaker 1: me back up. You feel me like very general statement.
Speaker 1: That's a general statement. Real. Yeah, I didn't say no
Speaker 1: need talking about put address on that ship, nigga. I'm like,
Speaker 1: hold up, bro, escalated quickly, escalator. I don't do all
Speaker 1: of that ship my character. I d m them. You
Speaker 1: feel me like, what's up for me? Like? What's the word?
Speaker 1: You had some words and ship you forel me? And
Speaker 1: then he went on the internet again and said some ship.
Speaker 1: I'm like he must be trolling me or something like
Speaker 1: the like we already said what we had to say already,
Speaker 1: and you guys talk privately and m yeah, that ship
Speaker 1: fucked my brain up. And I'm like, this nigga must
Speaker 1: be trying to viral. I guess this is mys young
Speaker 1: young dude shit too many, you know. I feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe at a certain point in time in
Speaker 1: your life, you were in that mentality. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I ain't never really think about the viral shit,
Speaker 1: like not even that. I just mean just like I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people when we're younger, we just
Speaker 1: react the facts without thinking because we haven't we haven't
Speaker 1: lived enough life to realize that's not how you know,
Speaker 1: in the same way that you're like, man, I'm DM
Speaker 1: someone now, you know what I'm saying, But like as
Speaker 1: opposed to like a twenty year old kid who's barely
Speaker 1: getting famous, I feel you just take shit went left.
Speaker 1: It just went left, Like bro, I didn't say your name,
Speaker 1: Like what the fuck are we talking about? Like who
Speaker 1: are some artists that you are fans of what they're
Speaker 1: doing right now that are younger, that are kind of
Speaker 1: you know, on the come up right now? Because I
Speaker 1: do feel like you have your ear to the street
Speaker 1: and you have a great year. Oh yeah, I'll be
Speaker 1: fucking with all the kids. I got a couple of
Speaker 1: my own artists'mnna name some of them. First. Fuck with
Speaker 1: his nigga name Mama Sinko, he from Philly, He go crazy.
Speaker 1: Leaf Ward, he from Philly, he go crazy. I got
Speaker 1: some kid named Tennis from New Jersey. He going crazy.
Speaker 1: I got a whole bunch of art. I ain't gonna
Speaker 1: keep naming my artists, but some of his new art
Speaker 1: just that you're probably gonna be familiar with real soon.
Speaker 1: With Jumble named baby Santana. He fucked with Little techas
Speaker 1: like one of Little Tech artists. Fuck with Autumn. His
Speaker 1: name is Autumn. He going crazy crazy right now. I
Speaker 1: just went to the show. One of his shoulder, that
Speaker 1: nigga at this ship like he looked like one of
Speaker 1: us already. I fuck with I'm so Fago with a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of young It's an artist name, I'm so Fago.
Speaker 1: Is he a juggler? I don't know that. I think
Speaker 1: I just said his Instagram name. I think I think
Speaker 1: a ICP. I think an insane clown posse. I'll be forgetting.
Speaker 1: People used Fago for for lean and ship definitely drink
Speaker 1: so when I was a kid FAGO was associated with
Speaker 1: the Insane Clown Posse and they used to shoot two
Speaker 1: leaders of FAO into the crowd. It was great. It
Speaker 1: was like a fucking white trash, fucking super show, lots
Speaker 1: of mountain dew, Fago cargo shorts and bo I never
Speaker 1: even knew what FAGO was, and so I came out here.
Speaker 1: Really it's a Detroit soda company. They're based in Detroit.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, Yo, it's great. You know you and I,
Speaker 1: like I said the last time, I really well, I've
Speaker 1: seen you a few times. But when I when I
Speaker 1: put up on on you and Young Blue working at
Speaker 1: the crib. Young Blue someone you know who's been doing
Speaker 1: his sting for some years, but it's finally kind of
Speaker 1: cut through. Also kind of coming from that same background
Speaker 1: of blurring the lines between the street soul ship. I guess,
Speaker 1: how dope is it to see someone like him, you know,
Speaker 1: like I feel like Blues on a run right now.
Speaker 1: And I told him when I first first started seeing it,
Speaker 1: I hit him up like starting to People don't realize
Speaker 1: he's not really a new artist. He's been doing a
Speaker 1: sting for five six years. He got a fan base
Speaker 1: that they've been rocking on his ship. He's been having
Speaker 1: millions and millions of stream hundred percent being had plaques
Speaker 1: to independently on some ship. So for me to see him,
Speaker 1: it's just like give me like hope I can still
Speaker 1: catch my second man. You got it, Bro, It's just
Speaker 1: you just gotta drop, just keep dropping. I'm definitely about
Speaker 1: to start dropping. That's why my whole plane right now
Speaker 1: to just flood the flood the market, bro, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Look the first the first of that is coming. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be out your birth by the time this comes out,
Speaker 1: it'll be out. So go run that ship up. We'll
Speaker 1: run that ship up to get you through the ring.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm fired right now, and I got some
Speaker 1: more shit coming after that, and some more shit coming
Speaker 1: after that, and there's some more shit coming after day.
Speaker 1: There it is, man, all right, Yo. Shout out to
Speaker 1: my guy p and b Rock for pulling up. You
Speaker 1: already know it's the Blue Leg Cap Podcast. B