WEBVTT - What is Predictive Programming?

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<v Speaker 1>From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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<v Speaker 1>riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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<v Speaker 1>learn the stuff they don't want you to know. M Hello,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome back to the show. My name is Matt. They

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<v Speaker 1>called me Ben. We are joined with our super producer,

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<v Speaker 1>Paul the Paul the Predictor decond. Okay, we got a shrug.

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<v Speaker 1>We're joining with Paul the Predictor deck end. Most importantly,

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<v Speaker 1>you are you, and you are here, and that makes

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff they don't want you to know. We predict

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<v Speaker 1>you will find this episode fascinating. Oh yeah, we can

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<v Speaker 1>already tell this is going to be your favorite episode

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<v Speaker 1>that's come out in a long time. We've already read

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<v Speaker 1>some of your emails. Thank you for those. It's really

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<v Speaker 1>kind what you said about this episode. We and um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we look forward to your next ones, right,

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<v Speaker 1>both represented in fiction and in real life. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if we can continue this this trope for the

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<v Speaker 1>whole show man, What do you think we're just being silly,

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<v Speaker 1>We're just we're just having a goof Do people still

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<v Speaker 1>say that having a goof? Of? Course? Great? Because if not,

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<v Speaker 1>we're bringing it back. This episode is about somewhat of

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<v Speaker 1>a meta conspiracy, a conspiracy about conspiracies, for lack of

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<v Speaker 1>a better term, or a technique that has attributed to

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of specific theories. And oddly enough, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>very strong basis in truth in this, which I think

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<v Speaker 1>surprised both of us. There is a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>truth in a way, but it's um, yeah, it's one

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<v Speaker 1>of those things where it's so prevalent. This what we're

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<v Speaker 1>speaking about today. Just say what it is a predictive

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<v Speaker 1>programming and it's so prevalent on the Internet when anything occurs.

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<v Speaker 1>There is so much media that exists and so many

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<v Speaker 1>things happening that when you find the little connective tissues,

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<v Speaker 1>there's always that Eureka moment and it just happens all

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<v Speaker 1>the time. Now maybe, yeah, maybe we get into this

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<v Speaker 1>too with an anecdote. Several years ago, you and I

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<v Speaker 1>made a video about the Illuminati card game. Yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and in the Illuminati Card Game, uh, there are there

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<v Speaker 1>are certain cards that people who believe in predictive programming

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<v Speaker 1>have pointed to as evidence of this practice. I think

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<v Speaker 1>specifically the Twin Towers. The Twin Towers was one about

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<v Speaker 1>a terrorist attack. There were so many though Deep Water

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<v Speaker 1>Horizon from was one and again in that video. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess do we want to spoil any of that

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<v Speaker 1>right now? About kind of what we found out about

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<v Speaker 1>the card game? Oh yeah, go ahead, laid up. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So there have been so many versions of that card

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<v Speaker 1>game over the years. The cards have shifted and changed

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit, the artwork has been altered. Exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>stated on the cards has been altered. And then when

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<v Speaker 1>you're online and you have people posting images about you know, here,

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<v Speaker 1>look at this card from this game that came out

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<v Speaker 1>in nineties something. Uh, you know, it predicted the World

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<v Speaker 1>Trade Center because of this card when an actuality that

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<v Speaker 1>card was referring to the original World Trade Center bombing

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<v Speaker 1>which occurred in the nineties, and then and or it

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<v Speaker 1>was changed now because of other you know, circumstances, things

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<v Speaker 1>that actually occurred in the real world after it was

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<v Speaker 1>put out. It's just interesting how things shift over time,

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<v Speaker 1>and when it's posted on the internet, it could be

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<v Speaker 1>from any time throughout the span of cards history. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we should also point out that it's a fun game game.

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<v Speaker 1>I I was so happy because you introduced me to it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm going to owe you for that one. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>I was thinking, should we play that game with with

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<v Speaker 1>with you friends and neighbors if we ever run into

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<v Speaker 1>each other in real life? Or Matt, should you and

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<v Speaker 1>Paul and Nolan I make a game of our own?

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<v Speaker 1>We could. We can make a game of our own.

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<v Speaker 1>We could live stream it. Stuff they don't want you

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<v Speaker 1>to play. I don't know, I don't know. We'll we'll

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<v Speaker 1>put a pen in that. But but yeah, So that's

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<v Speaker 1>a that's a great example of an allegation of predictive programming.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's what we mean specifically when we say there's a

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<v Speaker 1>basis in truth. In decades past, the US government would

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<v Speaker 1>assemble groups of people to help them predict the direction

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<v Speaker 1>of future technological breakthroughs. And they consulted scientists and technocrats,

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<v Speaker 1>but they also asked science fiction wighters to join in

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<v Speaker 1>this think tankery. And several of these writers, it turns out,

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<v Speaker 1>had already successfully predicted the broad strokes of a certain

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<v Speaker 1>aspect of technological progress or social changes, and they had

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<v Speaker 1>depicted these events in works of fiction. Yeah, and for

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people, this is just it speaks to

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<v Speaker 1>the human imagination. What can what images and ideas can

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<v Speaker 1>we conjure in our heads before it becomes reality, and um,

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<v Speaker 1>it's really honestly, it's it's inspiring and our species ability

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<v Speaker 1>to dream beyond the limits of this moment of what's

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<v Speaker 1>occurring right now and things that I can possibly do

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<v Speaker 1>today to what I could do in the future because

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<v Speaker 1>of X. I mean, that's incredible. That's what separates us. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>there are a lot of things that separate us, but

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<v Speaker 1>that's one of the major things that separates us from

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<v Speaker 1>other mammals. You're giving me chills. That is inspiring, especially

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<v Speaker 1>the way you put it there. It is. It is

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<v Speaker 1>one of the primary separations. But it's not all like

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<v Speaker 1>angel farts and trumpets in the sky. You know. There

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<v Speaker 1>there's a dark side that people see here because for others,

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<v Speaker 1>this story of sci fi collaboration is only scratching the surface.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a relatively benign example of a much more widespread

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<v Speaker 1>and according to them, sinister practice. Fringe researchers across the

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<v Speaker 1>US and the globe believe that nefarious, hidden groups are

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<v Speaker 1>guiding the public through the use of this predictive programming.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's look at the facts. When we look at

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of fiction, whether an Illuminati game or a

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<v Speaker 1>film depicting actual events in the future. We see two

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<v Speaker 1>fundamental factors of play immediately. Yeah. The first is what

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<v Speaker 1>the creators are trying to do. It's it's not a

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<v Speaker 1>secret that people who write screenplays and write books, of

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<v Speaker 1>directors of television and movie, they often are attempting to

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<v Speaker 1>depict what they think the future is going to look like,

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<v Speaker 1>what might happen in the future. If you think about

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<v Speaker 1>the novel or Brave New World, these are two cautionary

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<v Speaker 1>tales very different from each other and also quite similar.

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<v Speaker 1>Um they're they're meant to educate as much as they're

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<v Speaker 1>meant to warn and entertain. There they function on a

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<v Speaker 1>whole lot of levels. Yeah. Yeah, Four is one of

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<v Speaker 1>those books that, even after having read it multiple times,

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<v Speaker 1>I still don't know if I would say I'm entertained

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<v Speaker 1>by it, you know what I mean? Sure, it definitely

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<v Speaker 1>airs more on the cautionary tale side, but you're you're

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely right. I think that's such a great point. These

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<v Speaker 1>authors and these creators are not working in a vacuum.

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<v Speaker 1>They are attempting to enact some sort of change in

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<v Speaker 1>the world, whether it's just making the world one story better,

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<v Speaker 1>or one story richer or whatever we want to say

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<v Speaker 1>about or as in the case of a brave, brave

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<v Speaker 1>New World, it's the question of dufftow entertained too much? Yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and these authors could also depict something more aspirational, like

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<v Speaker 1>what the future of humanity could be if we ever,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, get our collective business together. I'm talking about

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<v Speaker 1>Star Trek. I'm talking about Star Trek, Matt Man. Star

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<v Speaker 1>Trek tng was the thing they like made me go, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna be okay. The future is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>an amazing place. I can't wait to get there. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a it's a post scarcity economy, right, there's there's

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<v Speaker 1>not income inequality, and the species spends its time exploring

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<v Speaker 1>strange new worlds and attempting to enrich their knowledge of

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<v Speaker 1>the galaxy and the beautiful universe in which we live.

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<v Speaker 1>Also having more or less constant war or uneasy truces

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<v Speaker 1>with various alien and hires. Probably a story for a

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<v Speaker 1>different episode, but yeah, Star Trek aspirational. Imagine what we

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<v Speaker 1>could be exactly, and then you could even have a holidack.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, come on, that's what it was for, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>It was it was the big picture stuff. I hated

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<v Speaker 1>the holiday episodes. Yeah, you know, I always felt like

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<v Speaker 1>I was getting tricked. I felt, you know, this is

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<v Speaker 1>just my opinion, one person's opinion, and I would love

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<v Speaker 1>to hear everybody else's opinion on this. I felt it

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<v Speaker 1>felt as if the actors were pushing this on the

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<v Speaker 1>writers and the producers and saying, well, you know, I've

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<v Speaker 1>I've done some Shakespeare before. You're talking specifically about El Capitan, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I don't you know, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>who it was. I feel like I have suspicions, but

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<v Speaker 1>I can't pin it on any single actor. And maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it was just maybe it just felt like a bait

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<v Speaker 1>and switch. Yeah, it's a I think it's a writing

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<v Speaker 1>device that the people in the writer's room can go, Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>we've been stuck on this enterprise for a long time

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<v Speaker 1>in all these episodes. Let's let's do a Western. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It could be that. It could also be something, as

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<v Speaker 1>you know, these are big machines. Every television show is

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<v Speaker 1>a huge machine of its own, So it could have

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<v Speaker 1>been something behind the scenes where they said, okay, look

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<v Speaker 1>we have this leftover set for show that didn't get used.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to use it. And sorry, Star trek TNG,

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<v Speaker 1>you drew the short straw this time. So writer's room,

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<v Speaker 1>chop chop uh something something with the Holida deck or

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<v Speaker 1>maybe this sets about to get torn down. Hey, writer's

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<v Speaker 1>let's find a way to use it quick. We we

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<v Speaker 1>have spent a lot of time thinking about thinking about this.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I bet someone out there has a has

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<v Speaker 1>the real scoop the street poop, as we might say

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<v Speaker 1>on on the the origin of those Hollow Deck episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>But there is another thing that comes into play when

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<v Speaker 1>we consider this idea of fiction purposefully predicting actual events

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<v Speaker 1>in the future, usually bad ones, and that is the

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<v Speaker 1>dangerous deceptive traits of the human mind. Yeah, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>just the people creating the fiction and the entertainment. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the people who are consuming it, actively watching and hearing it. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's this assumption that is so prevalent in the

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<v Speaker 1>past and today that goes like this, Someone watching a

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<v Speaker 1>film or reading a book, even to a lesser degree,

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<v Speaker 1>is passively experiencing the vision or the creation that the

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<v Speaker 1>author made or the director made, or whoever. But in actuality,

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<v Speaker 1>all audience members are collaborators. Whether it's a piece of

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<v Speaker 1>art like a sculpture, whether it's a television show, whether

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<v Speaker 1>it's a book. We are helping to create the story

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<v Speaker 1>by the mere act of observing and interpreting it. What

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<v Speaker 1>what this all means is that people are really self

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<v Speaker 1>obsessed pathologically, And don't beat yourself up. And if you

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<v Speaker 1>feel like this is an unfair characterization, or if you

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<v Speaker 1>feel bad and you think, oh, I'm a little bit narcissistic,

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<v Speaker 1>because everybody is. Everybody is, and where all the main

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<v Speaker 1>characters of our own stories, the center of our individual

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<v Speaker 1>universe is the protagonist around which this great world swings.

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<v Speaker 1>In addition to this, we're also fantastically talented analyzers and

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<v Speaker 1>pattern recognizers. It's one of the reasons our species runs

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<v Speaker 1>so much of the planet rather than say an octopus

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<v Speaker 1>race or a super intelligent empire of corvids. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to see those. I would be super in

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<v Speaker 1>the crows that run the world. I don't know why

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<v Speaker 1>that's supposed to be a coca in the distance? It worked,

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<v Speaker 1>I heard it. Are we predictively programming? Yes? So this

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<v Speaker 1>is this is dangerous because with this perspective right as

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<v Speaker 1>a starting point, we can make two assumptions. We will

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<v Speaker 1>say a pattern exists because we perceive it to exist,

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<v Speaker 1>and because we are the most important thing in our experience.

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<v Speaker 1>Every pattern we perceive inherently in some way applies to us.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing that people don't like to hear in general

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<v Speaker 1>is that there's something big going on and it has

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<v Speaker 1>nothing to do with you. Yeah, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's why so much scientific literature became so controversial.

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<v Speaker 1>Charles Darwin when he releases The Origin on the Origin

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<v Speaker 1>of Species in eighteen fifty nine, he's saying, Oh, no, humans,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not special, You're just you're You're part of a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>We're part of a pattern, part of a pattern that

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<v Speaker 1>has existed long before you and will continue long after

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<v Speaker 1>you are dust. Yeah, And you're like, yeah, whatever, Darwin,

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<v Speaker 1>Get out of here, right, go back to looking at islands. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>get back on the beagle. But that's the that's the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>And without delving too far into the weeds on this,

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<v Speaker 1>it essentially means that you and i' and Paul and

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<v Speaker 1>everyone we're we are neither neutral creators nor are we

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<v Speaker 1>a neutral audience. And we're at an impasse because if

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<v Speaker 1>no one's objective, then where's the truth? Ultimately? Oh man,

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<v Speaker 1>this sounds like an even bigger episode. So all right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll buy what's going on. Just talking about the nature

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<v Speaker 1>of truth. We touch on it every once in a

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<v Speaker 1>while when we get into discussing sources of news, but

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<v Speaker 1>when you really think about it this way, from from

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<v Speaker 1>that deep of a psychological perspective, who makes the mind

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<v Speaker 1>wander a bit? Yes, And we know that this pattern

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<v Speaker 1>recognition can also be used to make the mind wander

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<v Speaker 1>because we're, in addition to being um endearingly self obsessed,

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<v Speaker 1>we are also big fans of following rituals and cues

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<v Speaker 1>and social worries. The more patterns to recognize, and we're

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<v Speaker 1>easily swayed by subtle changes in routine or form. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a great there's a great book called The Illuminatous Trilogy,

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<v Speaker 1>which I think we've talked about before, and I just

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<v Speaker 1>want to put this in because it's one reference to

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<v Speaker 1>this kind of social hacking. That's where the Illuminati game

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<v Speaker 1>finds its origins. By the way, Oh yeah, no way, really,

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<v Speaker 1>that's cool. So this novel, which is incredibly incredibly long,

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<v Speaker 1>presented as as a trilogy of smaller works. It depicts

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<v Speaker 1>a number of things and rather convoluted plot, and we

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to spoil it for you, but there is

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<v Speaker 1>one scene in there where someone changes or adds to

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<v Speaker 1>the signs at this department store, a relatively high end

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<v Speaker 1>department store that has something like, you know, the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thing you would read outside of a fitting room,

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<v Speaker 1>like wait for an intendant to help you or something.

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<v Speaker 1>The addition they make is they just put no spitting. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so well, I mean, nobody wants to do that anyway

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<v Speaker 1>we want to spit, No one should be. But the

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<v Speaker 1>hack about it, the subtle change in that form, makes

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<v Speaker 1>people think this is a place of a much lower

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<v Speaker 1>socio economic class. This is a place where people are

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<v Speaker 1>just spitting on the floor, you know, like a roadhouse

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<v Speaker 1>in a movie. This was a work of fiction, but

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<v Speaker 1>this kind of stuff can work, and can work really well.

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<v Speaker 1>This also goes into the nature of propaganda. But the

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<v Speaker 1>question is how how far does this sort of stuff go?

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<v Speaker 1>Could some groups or groups really be normalizing future events

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<v Speaker 1>through the lens of mass media and fiction, And if so, why, yeah, why,

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to talk about that right after a quick

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<v Speaker 1>word from our sponsor. Here's where it gets crazy. Alan

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<v Speaker 1>Watt described predictive programming as a subtle form of psychological

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<v Speaker 1>conditioning provided by the media to acquaint the public with

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<v Speaker 1>planned societal changes to be implemented by our leaders. If

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<v Speaker 1>and when these changes are put through, the public will

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<v Speaker 1>already be familiarized with them and will accept them as

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<v Speaker 1>natural progressions, thus lessening possible public resistance and commotion. When

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<v Speaker 1>I when I hear the words of Alan Wad, I

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<v Speaker 1>always feel that there is truth there. It just sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like there is Again, it's about how he writes h

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<v Speaker 1>and how he how he how he spoke. But what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm hearing here is something that I've heard for a

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<v Speaker 1>long time about the concept of aliens and the concept

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<v Speaker 1>that movies and television and novels for decades and decades

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<v Speaker 1>have been prepping humans to to accept that aliens have

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<v Speaker 1>invaded or to accept alien races from other planets, extraterrestrials

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<v Speaker 1>to being a part of our world. And um, and again,

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<v Speaker 1>when you put it in that way, our leaders subtly

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<v Speaker 1>psychologically conditioning us. UM. I don't know. It almost sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like it could be real. Yeah you think so. I

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<v Speaker 1>I love that it sounds like I think you're bringing

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<v Speaker 1>up a really crucial point here. One of the primary

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<v Speaker 1>examples of predictive programming that the advocates of this belief

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<v Speaker 1>point out is almost always going to be extraterrestrial stuff, right,

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<v Speaker 1>like a slow, decade long preparation for disclosure. Hey guys,

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<v Speaker 1>Spielberg was right, aliens are around. We thought the best

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<v Speaker 1>way to tell you instead of just ripping the mand

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<v Speaker 1>aid off, we we thought we would tell you over

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<v Speaker 1>over like sixty years. Get used to it, get you know,

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<v Speaker 1>settle in, settle into this tub of weirdness slowly. Well yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that way the reaction is um, you know less, oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, and it's more like, oh wow, cool. I

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<v Speaker 1>think I think that's the whole point. If you believe this.

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<v Speaker 1>To be sure, millions of people waiting to go I

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<v Speaker 1>knew it. Yes, we knew it the whole time. So

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<v Speaker 1>what are some other examples of this? Oh? There are

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<v Speaker 1>so stink and many of these. Okay, let's start with

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<v Speaker 1>the top one of this one. Ben, you put in

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<v Speaker 1>the outline first. But this is the one that I

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<v Speaker 1>thought about when we even said the phrase predicted programming,

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<v Speaker 1>And it's the pilot episode of The Lone Gunman, which

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if you were an X Files fan, you

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<v Speaker 1>know who the Lone Gunmen are. You watched The Lone

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<v Speaker 1>Gunman when it came out as a spinoff and it

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<v Speaker 1>was awesome. Uh. But in the pilot episode it features

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<v Speaker 1>as part of the plot and an attempted bombing or

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<v Speaker 1>destruction at least of the World Trade Center, the Twin Towers,

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<v Speaker 1>and specifically it was hijacked commercial airliner that would be

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<v Speaker 1>flown into the World Trade Center, and it was a

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<v Speaker 1>false flag attack by you know, this rogue group of

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<v Speaker 1>government officials. And you know, since that came out before

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<v Speaker 1>the September eleven, two thousand one attacks, this is looked

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<v Speaker 1>at as whoa, these guys knew something, right, they put

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<v Speaker 1>it out there. They're trying to warn us that this

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<v Speaker 1>was going to happen. And a lot of the speaking

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<v Speaker 1>about it early early on when it occurred was it

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<v Speaker 1>was a warning rather than a um a predictive program

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<v Speaker 1>and getting you used to it, it was like somebody

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<v Speaker 1>is trying to tell us that this is going to happen. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is, as you said, incredibly prevalent example. It

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<v Speaker 1>gets brought up continually, but it's not the only example right.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, there was one that we found referencing the

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<v Speaker 1>film The Dark Knight Rises by Christopher Nolan. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>map in The Dark Knight Rises that has a location

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<v Speaker 1>mark Sandy Hook. Yes, Commissioner Gordon's going over the attack

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<v Speaker 1>plan for you know, going in. It's it's the scene

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<v Speaker 1>right before they actually go into the stadium for one

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<v Speaker 1>of the big climactic scenes. There spoiler alert for The

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<v Speaker 1>Dark Knight Rises. But yeah, there's a map and it

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<v Speaker 1>does say Sandy Hook on it, so that one is

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<v Speaker 1>not nearest persuasive though, because Sandy Hook is a place. Yes. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>the reason why it's weird because it says strike Zone

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<v Speaker 1>one and it came you know. Usually what this has

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<v Speaker 1>to do with our release dates. We have proximity of

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<v Speaker 1>release dates being before you know, and let's say some

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<v Speaker 1>given time frame a year or two or even months.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes again that's the nature of the perception. Yes, we

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<v Speaker 1>found the pattern. And another example would be Family Guy.

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<v Speaker 1>A Family Guy is replete with cutaway jokes and tangents

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<v Speaker 1>that don't really go anywhere. It's just a it's a

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<v Speaker 1>quick bit. But there's an episode or a gag in

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<v Speaker 1>a Family Guy episode rather that concerns the Boston Marathon. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's an episode called Turban Cowboy that that came out,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's a scene in it, or let's let's say

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<v Speaker 1>it a scene or breakaway, a cutaway to a quick

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<v Speaker 1>thing where Peter Griffin wins the Boston Marathon by driving

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<v Speaker 1>his car through all of the other competitors and kills

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<v Speaker 1>a whole bunch of people. And then later on in

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<v Speaker 1>the episode you might know this just from the or

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<v Speaker 1>you might glean it from the title Turban Cowboy, Peter

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<v Speaker 1>accidentally joins up with a terrorist cell and he uses

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<v Speaker 1>a cell phone to call his buddy moch Mood and

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<v Speaker 1>ends up setting off two bombs because he's using the

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<v Speaker 1>cell phone or whatever. You can also tell that family

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<v Speaker 1>guy has an ongoing tendency to be pretty racist racist,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, yeah, they at least push the boundaries.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say they push the boundaries creatively there right right,

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<v Speaker 1>And this, this example, of course, makes people believe in

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<v Speaker 1>predictive programming, think they were somehow depicting the later disasters

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<v Speaker 1>that would happen at the Boston Marathon. Yes, there's another

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<v Speaker 1>example with the movie knowing right that that you have

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned the Deep Water Horizon catastrophe at the top of

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<v Speaker 1>the episode. Knowing has something to do with this. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So if you have not seen Knowing, it's a two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand nine Nick Cage movie, and it's all based on

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<v Speaker 1>predictive programming essentially, or a different version of predictive programming

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<v Speaker 1>UM numbers and codes hidden amongst things that mean other

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<v Speaker 1>things and predict the future h in in that movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Right in the opening scene, Nicholas Cage is watching television

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<v Speaker 1>and on the news comes this image and a news

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<v Speaker 1>story about an oil rig that's on fire in the

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<v Speaker 1>Gulf of Mexico. And again, this is a two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>nine movie. A year later, the Deepwater Horizon disaster occurs,

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<v Speaker 1>where an oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico explodes,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think eleven people were missing immediately when it occurred.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you were watching television at the time, immediately

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<v Speaker 1>when the news footage came out, it looks crazy similar

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<v Speaker 1>to the footage that's shown in the movie Knowing that

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<v Speaker 1>you might have seen. Okay, so this footage is just

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<v Speaker 1>is it a crucial part of the film or is

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<v Speaker 1>it something that just happens in the film. It's something

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<v Speaker 1>that happens within the first few moments, and it's literally

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<v Speaker 1>a television that's being shown. You know, the camera is

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<v Speaker 1>shooting a television showing the news. So it's not a

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<v Speaker 1>massive thing. It's just giving you kind of current events

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<v Speaker 1>setting up the story. Because all it is you could understand.

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<v Speaker 1>I could totally understand though, how somebody would be I

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<v Speaker 1>would see that in theaters and then see the evening

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<v Speaker 1>news later if they caught a matinee or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's disturbing. Yeah, your your perspective is now Nicholas Cages

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<v Speaker 1>sitting on the couch or whatever watching the television that

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<v Speaker 1>you watched Nick Cage watch. I mean, I could you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I could see where that would be at least creepy

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<v Speaker 1>to people. Yeah. Absolutely. Oh but the you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about Family Guy, but the granddaddy of Family Guy,

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<v Speaker 1>the Simpsons. They have an incredible track record of predicting

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<v Speaker 1>various future events and trends and things like this, And honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>it could be a whole episode of just hey, what

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<v Speaker 1>did the how did the Simpsons know that? Oh boy? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's one that you had brought up off air

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<v Speaker 1>before too. Oh yeah, this is this is a great one.

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<v Speaker 1>And you'll find this all over the internet, mostly on

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook is where I've seen it, and a couple other

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<v Speaker 1>blog sites have reposted it. But it's the Donald Trump presidency.

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<v Speaker 1>There's so okay. On June, Donald Trump announced that he

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<v Speaker 1>was going to run for president, and you remember the

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<v Speaker 1>whole deal, coming down the escalator, waving to people, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>there are people on the balcony with signs. Well, according

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<v Speaker 1>to numerous posts in the year two thousand, the Simpsons

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<v Speaker 1>made this episode, which is true. They made an episode

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<v Speaker 1>called bart Bart to the Future, and according to these posts,

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<v Speaker 1>not only did they predict the Trump presidency, they also

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<v Speaker 1>predicted the exact way in which his campaign would be announced. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>everything from the people standing on the balconies with signs

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<v Speaker 1>to Donald Trump going down the escalator. It's uncanny, it's insane.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the exact same sequence. Here's the problem. And you'll

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<v Speaker 1>notice this if you if you actually watch a clip

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<v Speaker 1>from the supposed Simpsons video, the animation quality is very high,

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<v Speaker 1>and you imagine the animation quality, you know, let's say

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen years later at least so like compared to two thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>it changed a lot. And and then you do a

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<v Speaker 1>little digging, and then you realize all of these posts

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<v Speaker 1>are actually being taken from a July promotion of the

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<v Speaker 1>next Simpsons season, which specifically, um it's a video that

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<v Speaker 1>was posted to the YouTube channel and animation on Fox.

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<v Speaker 1>I was July seven when it was posted, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>called trump Atastic Voyage Season twenty five The Simpsons, and

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<v Speaker 1>what it is is a perfect recreation of the event

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<v Speaker 1>rather than a prediction of the announcement of what was

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<v Speaker 1>going to happen. But the really interesting thing is if

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<v Speaker 1>you go back to the two thousand episode The Bart

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<v Speaker 1>to the Future, there they do speak directly to Trump

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<v Speaker 1>being president, but it's just an aside. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>Maggie who says this, Oh god, there's so much to

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<v Speaker 1>explain here. But it's in the future. It's like a

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<v Speaker 1>vision of the future within the world of The Simpsons.

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<v Speaker 1>And in this vision of the future, I want to say,

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<v Speaker 1>it's Maggie the you know baby but now grown up

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<v Speaker 1>who mentioned something about that, just some something about how

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<v Speaker 1>horrible the Trump legacy was. So they're trying to fix

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<v Speaker 1>like all the budget or something that's it's like a

0:29:35.800 --> 0:29:39.600
<v Speaker 1>throwaway line essentially, but as a joke of Trump was president.

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<v Speaker 1>So this actual this actually happens before the Trump presidency,

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<v Speaker 1>but people have been conflating this with the later recreation

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<v Speaker 1>of the campaign announcement. Oh yeah, because it would be

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<v Speaker 1>much more compelling if this was actually what happened. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is just naming a few of these. Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>there's so many. There's so so many. And our first

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<v Speaker 1>immediate questions are pretty easy, Right, how is this different

0:30:08.320 --> 0:30:12.800
<v Speaker 1>from a single creative team proposing you're depicting a social

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<v Speaker 1>change they think should happen. You know, if like the

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<v Speaker 1>Star Trek example, or let's say that the creators of

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<v Speaker 1>The Simpsons really thought, you know, the world will be

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<v Speaker 1>a better place, and the best way to get it

0:30:26.680 --> 0:30:31.520
<v Speaker 1>there is for us to push the greatness of a

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump presidency, Right that, Like, how is it different

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<v Speaker 1>in this case? In the Simpsons case, they're implying that

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<v Speaker 1>it was a bad thing for it to happen, Right, Yeah,

0:30:44.360 --> 0:30:46.880
<v Speaker 1>it was a joke, it was, And it was a joke.

0:30:47.400 --> 0:30:49.080
<v Speaker 1>You know, it sounds like it's kind of a throw

0:30:49.080 --> 0:30:52.640
<v Speaker 1>a joke. That's when it felt like, uh. And then

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<v Speaker 1>the other question is, how are these events different from

0:30:58.720 --> 0:31:03.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, and accident. Yeah, I know, I know. As

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<v Speaker 1>pattern seekers and master analyst all we're not big fans

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<v Speaker 1>of the idea of something being an accident or a

0:31:12.680 --> 0:31:16.800
<v Speaker 1>coincidence or just happening without a real purpose behind it.

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<v Speaker 1>First things first, from a psychological angle, there's a problem

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<v Speaker 1>with this idea of predictive programming because we tend to

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<v Speaker 1>model our behavior based less on an object or an

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<v Speaker 1>event and more on a character's reaction to that object

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<v Speaker 1>or event. There's a great experiment called Bobo Doll. The

0:31:42.200 --> 0:31:47.680
<v Speaker 1>Bobo Doll experiments in this is Bobo is a clown,

0:31:48.120 --> 0:31:53.280
<v Speaker 1>is inflatable clown like punching bad clown. All right, I

0:31:53.320 --> 0:31:55.600
<v Speaker 1>can't hear? Do you want me to wave? When? When?

0:31:55.680 --> 0:31:59.400
<v Speaker 1>Where it past this part? You come back? And no

0:31:59.640 --> 0:32:06.680
<v Speaker 1>stay stag this Psychologist Albert ben Dura conducted an experiment

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<v Speaker 1>a series of studies using an inflatable punching bag clown

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<v Speaker 1>called the Bobo Doll, and they got two groups of children.

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<v Speaker 1>In one group, each kid was shown a short film

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<v Speaker 1>of an adult hitting the doll, just smack in the

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<v Speaker 1>grease paint off it. In the other group, the adult

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<v Speaker 1>in the film ignored the doll, and after watching whichever

0:32:34.320 --> 0:32:36.720
<v Speaker 1>film they were assigned to. Each kid was put in

0:32:36.720 --> 0:32:39.880
<v Speaker 1>a room with a variety of toys, including a Bobo doll.

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<v Speaker 1>The children who have been shown the aggressive video overwhelmingly

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<v Speaker 1>mimic the adult and beat the snot out of the doll,

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<v Speaker 1>while the other kids just ignored it because that's what

0:32:49.560 --> 0:32:54.320
<v Speaker 1>you're supposed to do. So this means that if we see,

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<v Speaker 1>if we see something depicting a future event, allegedly, what

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<v Speaker 1>we're really paying attention to psychologically is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>how the characters with whom we identify react to it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not it's not going to be world traits in

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<v Speaker 1>an attack. It's not going to be the Boston Marathon.

0:33:15.240 --> 0:33:18.000
<v Speaker 1>It's going to be how did the lone gunmen react

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<v Speaker 1>to this? How did how did Peter Griffin react to this?

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean? And it sounds like a

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<v Speaker 1>small difference, but it becomes increasingly clear this is strange

0:33:30.920 --> 0:33:36.960
<v Speaker 1>because the primary plank of predictive programming as a theory

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<v Speaker 1>is the idea that if we see something in real

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<v Speaker 1>life that we saw depicted in fiction, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>have less of a reaction, right, We're going to have

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<v Speaker 1>resigned in difference or one quote, half hearted protest if

0:33:56.360 --> 0:34:00.640
<v Speaker 1>we see something in real life that was predicted. So

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<v Speaker 1>if we say, oh, the the CDC in Atlanta blew up,

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<v Speaker 1>but we saw several movies about that earlier, so you

0:34:10.280 --> 0:34:15.080
<v Speaker 1>know what evs that's the idea. But what we see

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<v Speaker 1>from the science behind this is that the idea that

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<v Speaker 1>just portrays something will elicit the same reaction regardless of

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<v Speaker 1>context is incorrect. There has to be a context to

0:34:28.719 --> 0:34:32.279
<v Speaker 1>the pattern, to the action that we are observing. So

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<v Speaker 1>the doll itself, the object or the event is not

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<v Speaker 1>inherently gonna be one thing or the other. It's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be how people react to it. Someone hitting the doll,

0:34:43.200 --> 0:34:47.360
<v Speaker 1>someone ignoring the doll. That's what people are modeling. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>now I'm going back and applying this to all this stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>including the the Trump presidency. Oh man, okay, I'm going

0:34:55.880 --> 0:34:59.200
<v Speaker 1>to reevaluate all that now. Thank you, Ben. That's awesome.

0:35:00.280 --> 0:35:02.760
<v Speaker 1>So there's another thing we haven't even we haven't even

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<v Speaker 1>discussed yet, which is that this type of prediction in

0:35:07.920 --> 0:35:11.520
<v Speaker 1>some form of mass media does really occur. It can

0:35:11.560 --> 0:35:15.560
<v Speaker 1>occur in it's an accident, completely in accident. Consider the

0:35:15.880 --> 0:35:19.560
<v Speaker 1>early prescient story that you had mentioned before we've talked

0:35:19.560 --> 0:35:23.640
<v Speaker 1>about on the show before that Edgar Allan Poe had

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<v Speaker 1>this vision of survival cannibalism on a boat. Yes, the

0:35:28.520 --> 0:35:32.440
<v Speaker 1>only novel he published, The Narrative of Arthur Gordon Pim

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<v Speaker 1>of Nantucket in eight oh. Yeah, this is This is

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<v Speaker 1>a a baffling coincidence, and even if you consider yourself

0:35:43.680 --> 0:35:46.360
<v Speaker 1>a very, very skeptical person, you have to admit it

0:35:46.440 --> 0:35:48.800
<v Speaker 1>boggles the mind. I think this might be the best

0:35:48.800 --> 0:35:51.600
<v Speaker 1>example that I've ever heard. So part way through the

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<v Speaker 1>book The Narrative of Arthur Gordon Pim of Nantucket, the

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<v Speaker 1>crew of a ship called Grampus like Crampus, but with

0:35:59.200 --> 0:36:03.400
<v Speaker 1>a g finds themselves on a damaged boat, and they

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<v Speaker 1>have no food and they have no water. They managed

0:36:06.440 --> 0:36:10.640
<v Speaker 1>to catch a tortoise and eat that, but eventually to

0:36:10.800 --> 0:36:14.480
<v Speaker 1>survive they resort to cannibalism. They draw straws to figure

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<v Speaker 1>out which one of them will be sacrificed to feed

0:36:17.120 --> 0:36:20.520
<v Speaker 1>everyone else. The death straw goes to a guy named

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<v Speaker 1>Richard Parker, who's promptly stabbed his head, his hands, and

0:36:24.719 --> 0:36:28.759
<v Speaker 1>his feet are thrown overboard, and this keeps the rest

0:36:28.840 --> 0:36:32.080
<v Speaker 1>of the crew alive. A little bit longer, but the

0:36:32.760 --> 0:36:35.040
<v Speaker 1>last two members are still on the brink of death

0:36:35.320 --> 0:36:41.040
<v Speaker 1>when they're finally rescued. Poe himself thought it was a

0:36:41.160 --> 0:36:45.280
<v Speaker 1>really silly story. Quote very silly, if we're being accurate,

0:36:45.560 --> 0:36:49.040
<v Speaker 1>very silly, those are his words. Until that is in

0:36:50.120 --> 0:36:53.120
<v Speaker 1>four in real life, when a yacht named the Mignonette

0:36:53.239 --> 0:36:58.600
<v Speaker 1>left England headed toward Australia. The four man crew barely

0:36:58.760 --> 0:37:02.399
<v Speaker 1>escaped in a lifeboat, but they didn't have enough food eat,

0:37:02.440 --> 0:37:05.040
<v Speaker 1>they didn't have enough water to drink. They did catch

0:37:05.080 --> 0:37:09.319
<v Speaker 1>a turtle and they ate it, but just like the

0:37:09.400 --> 0:37:12.120
<v Speaker 1>people in the story by Poe, which is forty five

0:37:12.200 --> 0:37:17.160
<v Speaker 1>years old at that point, they resorted to cannibalism, specifically

0:37:17.560 --> 0:37:22.919
<v Speaker 1>of a seventeen year old named Richard Parker. Isn't that insane?

0:37:24.200 --> 0:37:29.440
<v Speaker 1>That is that is the honestly the craziest version of

0:37:29.520 --> 0:37:32.880
<v Speaker 1>something like this that I think has ever occurred. Yeah,

0:37:33.120 --> 0:37:35.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm at a loss for words still thinking about it,

0:37:35.719 --> 0:37:37.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, I mean, it's it's so crazy and it

0:37:38.000 --> 0:37:45.080
<v Speaker 1>really does make you reevaluate the life of pie movie. Yeah,

0:37:45.360 --> 0:37:48.920
<v Speaker 1>the name of the Tiger. So this this is a

0:37:48.920 --> 0:37:52.799
<v Speaker 1>really weird thing too, because it's not spot on and

0:37:52.880 --> 0:37:58.200
<v Speaker 1>are we also just seeing what we want to see?

0:37:58.960 --> 0:38:02.520
<v Speaker 1>You know, that is a question. And there's an elephant

0:38:02.520 --> 0:38:05.279
<v Speaker 1>in the room, right, Oh, there's a big elephant in

0:38:05.320 --> 0:38:07.440
<v Speaker 1>the room, and we'll talk about it right after a

0:38:07.520 --> 0:38:16.720
<v Speaker 1>quick word from our sponsor. All right, here we go finally,

0:38:17.200 --> 0:38:21.840
<v Speaker 1>and kudos, does Matt we got so far without acknowledging

0:38:21.880 --> 0:38:25.120
<v Speaker 1>this we did. Yeah, we played the reindeer games. We

0:38:25.200 --> 0:38:28.279
<v Speaker 1>said if this is, if this is so, this is

0:38:28.320 --> 0:38:30.319
<v Speaker 1>what would happen. These are things we consider from a

0:38:30.360 --> 0:38:36.680
<v Speaker 1>couple of different angles. But the big, the big concern here,

0:38:36.760 --> 0:38:40.160
<v Speaker 1>the as you said, the elephants, is that this seems

0:38:40.320 --> 0:38:46.320
<v Speaker 1>in every single case like a very very very very

0:38:46.360 --> 0:38:54.120
<v Speaker 1>complicated plan. Yes, and the the motivations for the machinations

0:38:54.880 --> 0:38:58.520
<v Speaker 1>aren't there for me, And and the how much work

0:38:58.560 --> 0:39:01.080
<v Speaker 1>you'd have to put in to get the Simpsons to

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<v Speaker 1>predict something so that you would be as the public,

0:39:04.960 --> 0:39:07.800
<v Speaker 1>that we would be okay with something in the future

0:39:08.040 --> 0:39:12.520
<v Speaker 1>baffles my mind that some screenwriter who wrote the pilot

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<v Speaker 1>for for this TV show, the spinoff of The X Files,

0:39:17.120 --> 0:39:19.320
<v Speaker 1>knew that there was this plan that was going to

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<v Speaker 1>be enacted several years or a year from then, two

0:39:23.520 --> 0:39:29.279
<v Speaker 1>years whatever, it's why why how much planning would have

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<v Speaker 1>to go into that, right, how much plan would have

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<v Speaker 1>to go into it publicly, much less how much plan

0:39:37.360 --> 0:39:39.080
<v Speaker 1>would have to go into it for it to occur

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<v Speaker 1>in secret somehow. Yeah, I mean that's that's easily hundreds

0:39:44.400 --> 0:39:47.440
<v Speaker 1>of people. Because you're talking about getting people to approve

0:39:47.480 --> 0:39:51.600
<v Speaker 1>a script. I mean, just just that alone, that process

0:39:52.200 --> 0:39:56.879
<v Speaker 1>is not an easy one. And uh, I don't know, man, well,

0:39:56.920 --> 0:40:00.279
<v Speaker 1>it just it takes almost double think on on the

0:40:00.360 --> 0:40:03.800
<v Speaker 1>part of us to believe in this, because if we

0:40:03.880 --> 0:40:06.719
<v Speaker 1>walk through it, it requires us to believe that not

0:40:06.840 --> 0:40:09.640
<v Speaker 1>only is a work of fiction being made with knowledge

0:40:09.640 --> 0:40:13.839
<v Speaker 1>of future events, certain knowledge that they have certitude about this,

0:40:14.080 --> 0:40:16.359
<v Speaker 1>but also that the creators of the work are either

0:40:16.400 --> 0:40:21.200
<v Speaker 1>in cooperation with some shadowy cabal or their members of

0:40:21.239 --> 0:40:25.839
<v Speaker 1>some shadowy cabal that has vast, near omniscient control over

0:40:25.920 --> 0:40:29.200
<v Speaker 1>events in the real world. But as still saying, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what, guys, we shall also make movies and all

0:40:32.600 --> 0:40:37.120
<v Speaker 1>these people are also okay with these terrible tragedies that occur. Right,

0:40:37.360 --> 0:40:39.439
<v Speaker 1>this would mean that if it were true, someone new

0:40:39.480 --> 0:40:43.200
<v Speaker 1>catastrophes like nine eleven we're going to happen. And additionally,

0:40:43.320 --> 0:40:46.120
<v Speaker 1>rather than preventing the disaster, they had enough time to

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<v Speaker 1>make a high production level story about something completely different.

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<v Speaker 1>Ultimately for the sole purpose of including a passing reference

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<v Speaker 1>to a real life event in the story that seems

0:40:56.200 --> 0:40:59.680
<v Speaker 1>like a massive amount of work for relatively small return. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I I don't get it, man, I don't. I think

0:41:06.239 --> 0:41:09.280
<v Speaker 1>in order to believe this fully, you have to really

0:41:09.280 --> 0:41:13.680
<v Speaker 1>have gone down the rabbit hole of believing that every

0:41:14.040 --> 0:41:17.760
<v Speaker 1>person that's an elite of any sort is working together

0:41:18.320 --> 0:41:22.520
<v Speaker 1>for some bigger mass conspiracy. And you know, we have found,

0:41:22.840 --> 0:41:25.799
<v Speaker 1>over the course of our time digging into all sorts

0:41:25.840 --> 0:41:28.720
<v Speaker 1>of strange stuff on this show, we have found that

0:41:29.600 --> 0:41:32.759
<v Speaker 1>it's a lot less likely that one group actually rules

0:41:32.800 --> 0:41:34.719
<v Speaker 1>the world. It's a lot more likely that there are

0:41:34.800 --> 0:41:38.680
<v Speaker 1>several groups who are all vastly entitled and above the law,

0:41:38.760 --> 0:41:41.399
<v Speaker 1>who feel like they should run the world, and they

0:41:41.400 --> 0:41:43.640
<v Speaker 1>don't get along well. And I wonder if if you

0:41:43.760 --> 0:41:47.759
<v Speaker 1>do subscribe to this theory, you, maybe, even as a

0:41:47.760 --> 0:41:52.239
<v Speaker 1>conspiracy realist as we all are in this who can

0:41:52.280 --> 0:41:56.440
<v Speaker 1>hear this voice right now? Um? Maybe you imagine that

0:41:56.480 --> 0:41:59.799
<v Speaker 1>these are groups working, you know, against each other with

0:41:59.880 --> 0:42:04.680
<v Speaker 1>their predictive programming efforts. Ah, I like that spin there.

0:42:04.800 --> 0:42:10.440
<v Speaker 1>I like that angle because it would also help at

0:42:10.520 --> 0:42:16.359
<v Speaker 1>least to float the the inevitable problem of different predictions occurring. Right,

0:42:16.400 --> 0:42:20.359
<v Speaker 1>that's really smart. There's also there's another wrinkle in here,

0:42:21.239 --> 0:42:24.319
<v Speaker 1>which is kind of a con Propaganda works best when

0:42:24.320 --> 0:42:29.319
<v Speaker 1>it's simplified. I mean, there's no denying that fiction is

0:42:29.920 --> 0:42:34.640
<v Speaker 1>incredibly powerful. And even today, books and films are banned

0:42:34.719 --> 0:42:40.360
<v Speaker 1>by governments around the world. And also propaganda is produced

0:42:40.400 --> 0:42:44.560
<v Speaker 1>by governments around the world or by think tanks or agencies.

0:42:45.239 --> 0:42:49.400
<v Speaker 1>People with some sort of agenda, whether they are fervent nationalists,

0:42:49.400 --> 0:42:53.640
<v Speaker 1>whether they are racial supremacists of some sort, they're they're

0:42:53.680 --> 0:42:57.920
<v Speaker 1>out there and they want to have a story where

0:42:57.960 --> 0:43:01.879
<v Speaker 1>their agenda or their goal is entered as the right thing,

0:43:02.120 --> 0:43:07.279
<v Speaker 1>the best thing. And I know I'm mentioning, I know,

0:43:07.400 --> 0:43:12.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm mentioned groups like nationalists and supremacists, but that's

0:43:12.920 --> 0:43:18.200
<v Speaker 1>barely the surface. It's like everybody's people whom you know.

0:43:18.239 --> 0:43:22.480
<v Speaker 1>It's cause agnostic. It's a technique that does not fall

0:43:22.600 --> 0:43:26.200
<v Speaker 1>under the purview of any one particular group of people

0:43:26.239 --> 0:43:28.359
<v Speaker 1>that you might think of as evil or they might

0:43:28.360 --> 0:43:30.680
<v Speaker 1>think of as good. The people who want to save

0:43:30.719 --> 0:43:35.080
<v Speaker 1>coral reefs are absolutely capable of doing the same kind

0:43:35.200 --> 0:43:40.200
<v Speaker 1>of things that you would see from another propaganda entity. Yeah,

0:43:40.400 --> 0:43:42.920
<v Speaker 1>I happen to believe that they have truth on their side.

0:43:43.560 --> 0:43:47.120
<v Speaker 1>That that's just me. You believe in the coral reefs. Yeah,

0:43:47.160 --> 0:43:49.520
<v Speaker 1>I think they're real. I think it cuts out well,

0:43:49.560 --> 0:43:52.120
<v Speaker 1>some of them are not real. I was just learning

0:43:52.160 --> 0:43:54.840
<v Speaker 1>about some of I think it's the Georgia Coast. NPR

0:43:55.000 --> 0:43:59.359
<v Speaker 1>was talking about this where they're fake coral reefs, artificial reefs. Yeah,

0:43:59.520 --> 0:44:02.319
<v Speaker 1>really saying stuff made out of rubble. But there's still

0:44:02.960 --> 0:44:06.799
<v Speaker 1>real like this. They're not coral. Bough, they're reefs, they're

0:44:06.800 --> 0:44:09.120
<v Speaker 1>not coral. That's all. That's a very good point, Matt.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, thank you for bringing that, bringing that to light. Finally,

0:44:14.480 --> 0:44:17.320
<v Speaker 1>it's what big coral doesn't want you to know. Seriously,

0:44:17.680 --> 0:44:21.319
<v Speaker 1>Oh man, rebar and concrete will do just wonders for

0:44:21.400 --> 0:44:27.040
<v Speaker 1>fish and needed to be said. Thank you, no problem, dude,

0:44:27.719 --> 0:44:32.280
<v Speaker 1>just while we're still in oceanic realms. Been. My father

0:44:32.440 --> 0:44:36.280
<v Speaker 1>called me panicked the other day about the Great Pacific

0:44:36.280 --> 0:44:39.879
<v Speaker 1>garbage Patch, and I think he honestly hadn't ever heard

0:44:39.880 --> 0:44:42.279
<v Speaker 1>of it before. And you know, this is something that

0:44:42.360 --> 0:44:46.360
<v Speaker 1>maybe you listening to this have heard about it before.

0:44:46.719 --> 0:44:52.080
<v Speaker 1>It is a massively troubling thing that is happening a

0:44:52.080 --> 0:44:56.280
<v Speaker 1>a huge amount of plastic and other garbage that's just there.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like we need to do some kind of

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<v Speaker 1>episode on it because my dad was genuinely terrified and

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<v Speaker 1>felt like the world was ending because of this. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's certainly not a good thing. Well yeah, absolutely, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think imagining it and um seeing some of the

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<v Speaker 1>imagery that the New News was putting out about it

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<v Speaker 1>was was fear inducing, and I think it's worth us

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<v Speaker 1>discussing maybe in the future about what could happen. Sure. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we can also talk about whether recycling actually helps. That's

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<v Speaker 1>great because a lot of people in the West, at

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<v Speaker 1>least are I don't know, are doing a ritual where

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<v Speaker 1>you put some trash in a blue box and you

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<v Speaker 1>tell yourself that you're making a difference, And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's a sincere thing. We recycled here at

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<v Speaker 1>the office, but in a lot of places when people

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<v Speaker 1>come around to collect the garbage, the things from those

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<v Speaker 1>two boxes go in the same dumpster. YEP. So no,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes I don't want to make a huge sweeping statement

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<v Speaker 1>about it. But but it's true that does happen. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>let us know what we should examine when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to recycling, when it comes to the Great Garbage Patch.

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<v Speaker 1>We did do an episode on ocean acidification and we did. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know that's scary. Yeah, that's really scary. But

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<v Speaker 1>and why aren't we using the whole the plasma methods

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<v Speaker 1>of breaking down trash, turning it into slag and usable gases. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you told me about that years ago. They had the

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<v Speaker 1>technology in Japan, right, dude. They've been doing this for

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<v Speaker 1>decades in Japan and a couple other places, just turning

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<v Speaker 1>their their trash into energy and usable building materials. Why

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<v Speaker 1>aren't we doing this? Guy's Wow, that's a massive tangent. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let's let's get back to this really fast. So are

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<v Speaker 1>we predictively programming the audience? Oh? Is that what this is?

0:46:56.239 --> 0:47:00.320
<v Speaker 1>Is that what this whole thing was? Oh my god, Paul,

0:47:01.000 --> 0:47:05.719
<v Speaker 1>were you in on this? Oh my god, Matt, I

0:47:05.920 --> 0:47:09.200
<v Speaker 1>figured the best way for you to learn this be

0:47:09.480 --> 0:47:12.520
<v Speaker 1>on the air with with no prep. You made me

0:47:12.560 --> 0:47:17.040
<v Speaker 1>a part of this. Oh my god, it's too late now.

0:47:18.680 --> 0:47:23.560
<v Speaker 1>Pretty soon we're gonna have George Soros Warren Buffett, Bill Gates,

0:47:23.719 --> 0:47:26.680
<v Speaker 1>and uh, I don't know who else, Oprah, Alice Cooper.

0:47:26.719 --> 0:47:29.000
<v Speaker 1>They're all gonna walk in and do a slow clap

0:47:29.160 --> 0:47:34.160
<v Speaker 1>the bazos. Maybe maybe he's a fearsome beast, though no,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. We don't have any celebrity illuminati that that

0:47:40.680 --> 0:47:44.439
<v Speaker 1>are coming by. Although today as we recorded this, uh,

0:47:44.520 --> 0:47:48.160
<v Speaker 1>David Diggs did drop by to appear on a show

0:47:48.200 --> 0:47:51.080
<v Speaker 1>our pal Chuck does called movie Crush, So do check

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<v Speaker 1>that out. Did you like that organic segue and perfection

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<v Speaker 1>with you? Thanks? You know, they sometimes call me the

0:48:00.120 --> 0:48:05.600
<v Speaker 1>the Matt Frederick of smooth Plugs. It's a it's a

0:48:05.600 --> 0:48:08.520
<v Speaker 1>tremendous compliment one I don't deserve. But if you know,

0:48:08.600 --> 0:48:11.359
<v Speaker 1>if you're if you're thinking to yourself, what did I miss?

0:48:11.520 --> 0:48:14.279
<v Speaker 1>And you wanna, you know, send us something. Uh, if

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0:48:16.520 --> 0:48:20.040
<v Speaker 1>about today, have you noticed a different version of predictive

0:48:20.120 --> 0:48:22.919
<v Speaker 1>programming or do you have a really good example, or

0:48:22.960 --> 0:48:26.520
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0:48:32.080 --> 0:48:35.040
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0:48:35.560 --> 0:48:36.840
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0:48:39.400 --> 0:48:42.120
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0:48:48.200 --> 0:48:53.080
<v Speaker 1>friends and neighbors, skeptics, conspiracy realist alike. If you would

0:48:53.560 --> 0:48:58.520
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0:48:58.600 --> 0:49:01.640
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0:49:01.719 --> 0:49:05.319
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0:49:05.520 --> 0:49:10.400
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<v Speaker 1>do is give us a ring. We're one eight three

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<v Speaker 1>Spoiler alert, you may be participating in predictive programming, but

0:49:44.200 --> 0:49:46.360
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0:49:46.360 --> 0:49:50.279
<v Speaker 1>about it. And if you're thinking, well, i'm a little

0:49:50.320 --> 0:49:54.160
<v Speaker 1>mora old fashioned, I like a I'm somehow anachronistic, lee

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<v Speaker 1>old fashioned because I would rather send an email than

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