1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody, I'm Tamara judge and and you're listening to 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 1: talking a big game. Okay, well the man is here. 3 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 2: Max, I'm not the man. I'm not the man. 4 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: You're the man. You're the man of they are. 5 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 2: I don't feel like the men right now? 6 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 3: Why why I feel like the dead and the papa 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 3: and the camier and the husband. 8 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 1: Go get like, well, your family is eight pounds heavier 9 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: because your wife just delivered a baby boy a week 10 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: and a half ago. Milan, congratulations, congratulations, you look tired. 11 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 2: I'm exhausted. 12 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 3: No, I really am. And it's not a bad obviously. 13 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 3: Think you draw from for me, It's very important. My 14 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 3: meat is very important for me. I don't know how 15 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 3: to say it without sounding selfish, whatever that may be. 16 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 3: But you know, we have a lot of people talking 17 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 3: at us nowadays like how important it is to like 18 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 3: really have a balance, right, So it's very important that 19 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 3: I'm rested that I'm like, I draw from that, and 20 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 3: that was my initial Like when we first had Chai. 21 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 3: You know, you change your lifestyle from single to merit 22 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 3: from no kids? 23 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: How is seven seven? 24 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 2: So I have like so I have a real one 25 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 2: years old. 26 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:21,839 Speaker 3: Milan is brand new he's attached to Peter literally, and 27 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:23,839 Speaker 3: Shi is like, big, go. 28 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 2: Get breakfast, cause just just go do the do that. 29 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 2: He's a big boy. Now. 30 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and how is Peter doing. 31 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 2: She's doing great, fantastic. 32 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 3: I mean again, just the blessing of having a job 33 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 3: that keeps you so physically fit. 34 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: She was dancing on Instagram all the way to the end. 35 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 2: Damn it, she did. 36 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I got in there too. 37 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 3: She tries to get in there. Now that he's an adult, 38 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 3: if he's like. 39 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 4: Like son, dad's tired, I can start to do stuff 40 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 4: on their own and it gets a little easier. Let 41 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 4: me ask you this when you say, like you got 42 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 4: to take care of yourself, right, so now you have 43 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 4: a one week old week and half newborn, You're like, 44 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 4: I need rest. How do you figure that shoehorn that in? 45 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 2: Well, you don't. 46 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 3: So my lifestyle has changed since then, you know, with 47 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 3: the second baby. 48 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 2: I mean it was a cake like. We were pros 49 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 2: at it. 50 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 3: I was doing the show with NAPA while she was 51 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 3: you know, going in labor flew back and then I 52 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 3: was flying back and forth. And then as soon as 53 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 3: I landed from NAPA when we did Traders together, so 54 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 3: somehow we got this done right. And then so after 55 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 3: that it felt like, oh, we're cruising, this is easy, 56 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 3: and then like oh it's easy. 57 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 2: Here you go. The guys are pregnant. 58 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, what you have Irish twins? 59 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 4: Now? 60 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: I mean they're so close together that is hard. I 61 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: had two kids really close to guy. I think they 62 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 1: were like eighteen months apart, and me too. I thought 63 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: I was going to lose it. I go into the doctor, 64 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,359 Speaker 1: I go, you have to medicate me. I used to 65 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: hide in the closet from him. I'm like, I can't 66 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: do this. 67 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 2: Damn it. I have a lot of pride. 68 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 3: I feel like Peter has a lot of pride in 69 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 3: you know, I got this right, and I have a 70 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 3: lot of pride in in uh. 71 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 2: Damn it, people did this forever. You know what I'm saying, 72 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 2: Like why not meet? 73 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 3: So it's more like competitiveness, but it's like it's also like, 74 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 3: you know, if I see an example, I just need 75 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 3: to see, Oh it's possible. Great, I'll do two. So 76 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,679 Speaker 3: right now, we have no idea what it's like to 77 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 3: have three kids. But I'm gonna tell you. You know 78 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 3: what I'm saying, like, give me a second, we'll figure 79 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 3: it out. 80 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: We better be careful. 81 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 4: You have Nember four, pretty jump jump from two to three. 82 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 4: For me, it was mind blowing. Mine one to two, 83 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 4: I'm like, all right, two or three. 84 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: As the woman carrying the child, I will tell you this, 85 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: it changes your body too. Two kids, bounce back three kids. 86 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: But nowadays there's no zompic. 87 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 3: So she went, she went like her body went nuts 88 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 3: because she just got back. I mean, I don't know 89 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 3: how Peter did it. So after Rio, you know, as 90 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 3: I was on Traders, I flew back. 91 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 2: She had an eight pack. 92 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: Because she's an athlete. 93 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 3: She went back in the show was two months later. 94 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 3: She had lines in the stomach. I mean, it was crazy. 95 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 2: I want to hate her, right, And so then. 96 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 3: We got pregnant right away, and so her body was like, wait, 97 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 3: I just got into the post, you know, partum process 98 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 3: of getting back. We're doing this again, And the body 99 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 3: went yes, you know immediately yeah. 100 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 1: Not closed, you have a six pack. And then all 101 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: of a sudden, you're two weeks pregnant. 102 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 3: Your phone immediately she was she looked like she was 103 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 3: nine months for the past six months, and so I 104 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 3: feel like, now you know it's it's that so careful. 105 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 3: We've got to be very you know, strategic sort of 106 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 3: process for her to get back and again put her. 107 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: When will she start with Dance with Stars again? Does 108 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: she know? 109 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 2: I don't know. 110 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 3: And I think the show premieres end of September, third 111 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 3: week of September something like that. 112 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 4: And we were talking about that before we start. Is 113 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 4: that you don't know. You don't get the knock on 114 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 4: the table, knocking the door until right before right. Yeah, 115 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 4: but can you explain, like you're saying this like a draft, 116 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 4: can you explain? 117 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's easy. I mean we've been saying this forever. 118 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 3: First of all, I've been out for five years, five years, 119 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 3: so the uestion about me always with the show, it's 120 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 3: like when are you going back? And I'm like fifteen 121 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 3: years of these questions, right and and and recently it's 122 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 3: because again Peter's on. My brother is a current you know, champion, 123 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 3: he said, currently the man his wife Jen. 124 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 4: Is on as a pro storyline here comes you know. 125 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 3: Well, no, but that's what I'm saying, like I'm almost 126 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 3: like I've I'm also a part of this. I'm like, guys, 127 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 3: I haven't done it since pre pandemic. You know, judge, 128 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 3: I'm in. I'm in for whatever. I'm also judging, so 129 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 3: you think you can do. So that's a you know, 130 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 3: very privileged opportunity for anybody, you know, such as myself 131 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 3: coming through this career and like you, now I get 132 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 3: to sit down. 133 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 2: On the point things. 134 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 4: Let's talk about it. 135 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 3: But in terms of like the draft, like I said, 136 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 3: so this it's not a secret. The pros don't know 137 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 3: if we're on the show or not forever, like never, 138 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 3: I've had a contract for ten years, since tw thousand 139 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 3: and six or fifteen rather, and and I never knew 140 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 3: if I'm going to be back on or not. And 141 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 3: people always asking like well how come, I'm like, well, 142 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 3: because so the reason is that if you camera right, 143 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 3: they'll take you an example sorry then. 144 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 4: Just a big celebrity of course. 145 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:07,679 Speaker 3: And so it's like if you holding out a contract, 146 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 3: right and they really want you, and you're saying, well, 147 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 3: let me negotiate. While you're negotiating, the dominoes are not set, 148 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 3: the couples are not paired. You know, they're waiting for 149 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 3: you to say yes. So it's either I get you 150 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 3: as a partner or somebody more compatible and Therefore I 151 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 3: get them and them aren't sure yet if they're doing 152 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,719 Speaker 3: the show. So until celebrities are all signed on, we 153 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 3: don't know. And usually that happens literally three days before, 154 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 3: and so I've eighty percent of the time I found 155 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 3: out if I'm on the show or not, like three 156 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 3: days before I go into my first rehearsal. 157 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: Now, how do you successfully get cast on down to 158 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: the stars. I'm just asking for a friend, be. 159 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 2: A great dancer. 160 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 4: So how did it happen for someone like me? Oh? 161 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 2: You mean for celebrities? 162 00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, contestant or whatever you are, You're hat in the ring. 163 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 2: They want you just need to know the right questing. 164 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: You know the phone number. Uh No, I only say 165 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: it would be my worst fear to ever do that 166 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: because I'm not dancing is not natural. 167 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 2: Dancing. 168 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: Dancing is not natural for me. I did learn the 169 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: cha cha when I got married. I went through dancing 170 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: classes to do it at our wedding. 171 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 2: Wedding dance program. Yeah, my number one program. My dance studios. 172 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: How many dance studios do you have? Fourteen fourteen through 173 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: They're just everywhere, sprinkled around or just count states. 174 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 3: We have like six in Texas, most on the East coast, 175 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 3: you know, here and there, Nevada, Florida, Atlanta. 176 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm wondering if I went to your studio when. 177 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 2: I probably not. I'm not sure. 178 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 4: Let me rewind the tape here because can you We 179 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 4: want to start like origin story and then after your 180 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 4: career what's made you so successful? So for you, how 181 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 4: did you do you ever look back at your like, like, 182 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 4: how did I end up here? I just started dancing 183 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 4: as a kid and then I'm in Hollywood. 184 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 2: No, very clear how I ended up here. I know 185 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 2: everything step by step. 186 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 3: I mean, I know I started dancing when I was 187 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 3: four or five around then. My parents were in nineteen 188 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 3: twenty when they had me in former USSR in nineteen 189 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 3: eighty when I was born, and so like this thing 190 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 3: was coming to an end sort of rapidly but still 191 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 3: very much in the you know, the USSR esque way, 192 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 3: and the young parents, new kid, what are we doing? 193 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 3: Make sure he's limited in free time? Great, we got this, 194 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 3: and so you know, I was doing literally everything, and 195 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 3: so I think at four they gave me into School 196 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 3: of Esthetic Education for like little crazing, little prints and 197 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 3: eating with knife and fork, open. 198 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: The doors, something like that. 199 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think finishing school. 200 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't remember the name of it, but they 201 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: teach you how to dress and walk and eat. Yeah, 202 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: but I don't know if they do cotillion. 203 00:08:57,679 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, it was n't think, but it was 204 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 3: like kind of a bunch of stuff. And the thing 205 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 3: is is that in USSR with all the negatives, you know, 206 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 3: so the school system was incredible in terms of education level, 207 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 3: but also like ballroom dancing was part of a curriculum. 208 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 3: You know, it wasn't frowned upon, It wasn't it was 209 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 3: wildly accepted, you know, like the rhythmic gymnastics and things 210 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 3: of that nature, like you know, some sports that we 211 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 3: only see in US when Olympics is on. 212 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 2: You know. 213 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 3: So somebody came in and now what I think happened 214 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 3: is that they picked me out of the of the 215 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 3: group of kids just because I was a. 216 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 2: Boy and tall enough. 217 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 3: You know in the industry where girls, as you know, 218 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 3: boys are a rare commodity. 219 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 4: Was your class primarily girls? 220 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 3: Class was mostly girl. My life was mostly girls. I mean, 221 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 3: let's be real. 222 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: Did you like it? Are you happy or hated it? 223 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: Hated it? 224 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 2: Yeah? And I was five seven ten, What did. 225 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 4: You want did you want to play a different sport. 226 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 2: Or want to nothing but no dance? I wasn't. 227 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 3: I was in you know, but I I was swimming, tennis, 228 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 3: you know, any kind of sport. I was a math 229 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 3: club after school. Then I was chemistry and biology majors. 230 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,559 Speaker 1: He talked a little bit about that traders. I remember, 231 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: and I'm like, damn, this guy's smart. He's not just pretty, 232 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: he's smart too. 233 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 3: And then just to quickly wrap it up. So when 234 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,959 Speaker 3: I immigrated, I was fourteen and ninety four. So now 235 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 3: I'm ten year dance you know, professional if you will, 236 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 3: But in Ukraine, I'm not very good at all, Like 237 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 3: we're talking, not even a little bit. Yeah, there's ten 238 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 3: thousand couples at any competition and heads and shoulders. 239 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 2: So we're struggling. 240 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 4: You know. 241 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 3: It's a very expensive activity for somebody like us with 242 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 3: a very blue collar kind of family. So we land 243 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 3: in Brooklyn, New York in ninety four and find out 244 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 3: the industry of bolroom dance in this country is just infantile. 245 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 3: I mean, it's just nonexistent. So I come from a 246 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 3: world of small fish in a massive pond. I'm a whale, 247 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,839 Speaker 3: and so my brother is eight. I'm fourteen. We go 248 00:10:59,920 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 3: on to become you know, he's a seventeen time national champion. 249 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 3: I won some stuff, you know, I represented US. He's 250 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 3: a two time world champion. As my student, I opened 251 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 3: dance studio for kids, competitive bollroom dance school when I 252 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 3: was seventeen in ninety seven in Jersey. We didn't even 253 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 3: live in New Jersey at that time, so you know, 254 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 3: we did that stuff because I was in that sort 255 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 3: of outliers kind of opportunity, right place, right time. That's 256 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 3: what I'm looking back at. And so with this wave 257 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 3: of mid nineties immigration into New York City specifically and 258 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 3: sprinkled around US like San Francisco had a couple of couples, 259 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 3: Midwest Chicago had a couple of couples. 260 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 2: So you know, we build the industry. 261 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,839 Speaker 3: So come two thousand and six, they just went by 262 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 3: the ranking list, you know, and this ballroom dance show 263 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 3: comes in. They need ballroom dances. So they look at 264 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 3: the list of competitive ballroom dance in US professional Latin 265 00:11:56,320 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 3: at the first place ranked first is Maxim Tchmikowski and 266 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 3: they're like, great, let's call that guy. We don't know 267 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 3: nothing about him. 268 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 4: And so they call the national rankings in. 269 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 3: Football, it's like tennis and whatever. You know, we had 270 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 3: a ranking list and system. And again we've been signing 271 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 3: autographs in Germany since ninety seven, ninety eight, you know. 272 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 3: But that's how I kind of like talk about this. 273 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 3: It's not an ego trip. It's like we had an industry. 274 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 3: I was a dense professional. My sole goal and purpose 275 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 3: in life was British Open World's national title. I couldn't 276 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 3: care less about Hollywood than any of this stuff. So 277 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:36,199 Speaker 3: when the show called, I hung up the phone immediately. 278 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 3: And so that's why I missed the first season because 279 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 3: I was like, what, no, get out of here, stop 280 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 3: it right now, don't call me. 281 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: So what age did you go? You know what, I'm 282 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 1: embracing this. I really like this. You know, I know 283 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: my parents put me in it. 284 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 3: But I would say a few years ago, stop it, 285 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 3: Like in my early forties, if. 286 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 4: You can do it over, what did you want to do? 287 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 4: Did you want to play tennis? What did you want 288 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 4: to do? 289 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 3: In ninety seven, I graduated Edward Morrill High School in 290 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 3: Brooklyn and it was a tough couple of years. We 291 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 3: just you know, three years immigrants, immigration and I was 292 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 3: like this, this is crazy out here, you know, in 293 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 3: the jungle. And so college time come and they go 294 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 3: where do you want to go? I wrote one name, said, 295 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,599 Speaker 3: lu Y. This is the best pharmaceutical program in the 296 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 3: country at that time. For me, it felt like it 297 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 3: was the best school for me to go because I 298 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 3: want nothing but to be a chemist. And so I 299 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 3: looked and they're like, oh, the campus. The campus is 300 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 3: in Brooklyn, and I'm like, get the audie. 301 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 2: I gotta go. I gotta get out. I can't. 302 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,439 Speaker 3: I can't see another four years of taking the train 303 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 3: to back to from Brooklyn to Brooklyn. So I wanted 304 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:54,319 Speaker 3: an opportunity to be in Manhattan for a reason and 305 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 3: to get. 306 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 2: Up every day and go. 307 00:13:55,920 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 3: And so I went to Pace University downtown Manhattan, dropped 308 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 3: up for business business management program, and dropped out after 309 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 3: a year because I had my own. 310 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 2: Business and the school was interfering with running my business. 311 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: Of course, So yeah, but have you been successful your 312 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 1: whole life? 313 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 3: No, No, I've been I've been stubborn about not accepting 314 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 3: this role of mine. And so if you ask me 315 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 3: again the question, like, you know, what would if if 316 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 3: you know would I I would probably embrace it earlier. 317 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, well God gave you a gift and you were 318 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: fighting it. I'm just fighting it still at age thirteen. 319 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: You broke your leg, yeah, in a twelve and a 320 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: skin accident, and you have a titanium rodin accident. 321 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 3: I was sledding down on a scene. It wasn't even 322 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 3: that sexy. It was just sledding smashed into a poll. 323 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 3: It was not very glamorous. 324 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: And the doctors told you probably your dancing career was 325 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: over at that time. 326 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 3: They said not probably, They said you got to come down. 327 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 3: My dad was in the hallway. I remember I was 328 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 3: laying in the hallway because it was a military hospital 329 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 3: for again that region, not to you know, hijack conversation 330 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 3: was constantly in some kind of warfare. So you my 331 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 3: town is kind of like the rehab central of the 332 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 3: former USSR because it's a sea city, port city. It's 333 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 3: like a Miami of USSOR. So we had a good 334 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 3: rehab hospital for people coming back from Afghanistan. So I 335 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 3: remember laying in the hallway and he's like, yo, he 336 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 3: has a competition in like a month and a half, 337 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 3: I swear to God, Yeah, And so he looking at me, 338 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 3: looking at him and looking at her, and he's like, nah, listen, 339 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 3: there's no competition. Let's just hope he's gonna walk with 340 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 3: a cane because it's looking bad. 341 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 4: Do you remember the kid processing that being like I'm 342 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 4: never going to walk again, Like my life's over. 343 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 3: They they buffered it completely from me. I you know, 344 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 3: even if I knew, I saw the severity, I knew 345 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 3: all this is it was bad. I was just in 346 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 3: so much pain I couldn't give a shit, and I 347 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 3: just wanted that relief, and the relief would come in 348 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 3: the form of a surgery. And my mom didn't want 349 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 3: surgery because we have an uncle who my age, went 350 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 3: in for something routine and they messed up his grown 351 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 3: spurs and you know, he's an invalid, and so she 352 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 3: was very cautious. And by the time it all got 353 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 3: to this current state, it was a process. So I 354 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 3: wasn't prevy to, you know, these conversations. What I was 355 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 3: prevy to is that they gave me morphine, which was 356 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 3: the best thing, but then Pops had to sign off 357 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 3: on it, and at one point is like normal morphine, 358 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 3: so we're done with that. 359 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. I was like, if I had I known. 360 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: It's like, come on now, I heard that you were 361 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: on Broadway as well a couple of times. A couple 362 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: of times. What did you do? 363 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 2: I did the show where I met my wife nine right, 364 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 2: it was called burn the Floor. 365 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: Was she on the show as well? 366 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 2: She was the big star? 367 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: She was a star. 368 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 2: Well, she was a star coming in and then they 369 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 2: landed on Broadway. 370 00:16:55,680 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 3: They needed somebody local to sell help sell tickets, being 371 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 3: super humble, but at that time, somebody you. 372 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: Were selling tickets. 373 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 3: No, somebody local that had that would that had the 374 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:09,199 Speaker 3: star power to draw attention in the current place. But 375 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 3: Peter didn't like that because that means that they had 376 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 3: to like step aside off of the spotlight in the middle, 377 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden, it's us and you know, 378 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 3: and I take up a lot of room and right 379 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 3: in the middle of the stage. 380 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 2: And she didn't like it, so she thought it was 381 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 2: an asshole in the beginning. 382 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 3: And then I did a couple of times more. I 383 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 3: did it also Forever Tango, which was just an incredible opportunity. 384 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 2: I would love nothing but Broadway. 385 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 4: What kind of endurance does it take to do a 386 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 4: Broadway show? Is it similar to you know, dancing with 387 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 4: the stars are completely. 388 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 3: Everything we've done always is one hundred percent dance. And 389 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 3: then my brother nine two thousand and six started making 390 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 3: little hybrids of like a theater production and storytelling all that, 391 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 3: but it's still like, you know, high Card is danced. 392 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:55,120 Speaker 3: So we try to you know, do that as much 393 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 3: as we can. And so that takes a lot of endurance. 394 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 3: And like I said, I'm hurt currently, but a week 395 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:04,400 Speaker 3: and a half from now, I'm in be in Chicago 396 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 3: doing the show again, running back the same one we 397 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 3: did last year, Savor. So I'm in like I'm in 398 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 3: the sort of pre opening game mode right now. And 399 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 3: at this is not a pattern the bag, but at 400 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 3: my age, it's so hard. 401 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 4: You know, what's a lifeline on a dancer? Like when 402 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 4: when does a typical dance? 403 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 2: Fifteen years ago? 404 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 4: Really? 405 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah. 406 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 3: I retired from competitive bottom dancing in two thousand and six. 407 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 3: I was twenty six years old. I was too young. 408 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 3: Having said that, you know, there's people that you know, 409 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 3: if you stick in that stick around in that career, 410 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 3: in that journey you probably you know in your mid 411 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 3: to late thirties is when you bow out from professional 412 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 3: world of dancing, then you want to become a judge. Right, 413 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 3: so mid to late thirties you were sort of on 414 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 3: the decline. I mean, my career just started in two 415 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 3: thousand and six. In my opinion, everything that as a dancer, 416 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 3: everything I've done until then, I thought was my peak. 417 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 3: It was just a foundation. It was like, you know, 418 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 3: we've we we all showed up at the UF, you know, MMA, 419 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 3: some kind of like a competition, and so I come 420 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 3: in as this guy, this comes in as that guy. 421 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 2: So I came in as a ball and dance professional. 422 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 2: That was my foundation. 423 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 3: But then the career started, and it led me to 424 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 3: the broadways and led me to national tours and so 425 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 3: you know again I blossomed way late here. So now 426 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 3: I have to keep up my body in order to continue, 427 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 3: you know, pleasing to what I'm now feel like I'm 428 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 3: supposed to be joining. 429 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: Do you have a strict workout and diet plan, Yes. 430 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 2: And no, I have a strict lifestyle plan. 431 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 1: And because every time I saw you, you're eating a 432 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: peanut butter and jelly sandwich. 433 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was great. It's amazing. 434 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 1: By the way, that's why you've ever had. 435 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 2: Because I don't do nuts at home. 436 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 3: Might you know Peter got not so ologies and so 437 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 3: like I can't you know, it's too much. 438 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 2: So like I get out. 439 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 3: I'm like, give me that peanut butter, but no lifestyle. 440 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 3: I think in twenty twelve, I was thirty two. I 441 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 3: was in a lot of pain. You could see it 442 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 3: on the screen if you watch Dancing Stars then all this, 443 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 3: you know, the shoot backs at the judges and the 444 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 3: little comments here and there and all that just angry 445 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 3: and not angry, but like, you know, frustrated. And I 446 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 3: was frustrated. I was I was just hurt. My body 447 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:25,679 Speaker 3: was hurting. It was on the heels of like a 448 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 3: lot of years of dancing and not really having any 449 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 3: kind of like rehab team, dent professional doctors or whatever. 450 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,679 Speaker 3: And I found my my my at that moment, I 451 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 3: found my my physician. And so I went on the 452 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 3: journey of like, you know, I cut out all the 453 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 3: stuff that I shouldn't be eating. I had that revelation 454 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 3: of like walking around supermarkets like I can't eat anything. 455 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 3: You know, I'm in the wrong supermarket. Now I had 456 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 3: to go to the other one and I and I 457 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,360 Speaker 3: called my doc. I'm like, this is nuts. 458 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 4: What did you cut out that you loved that you 459 00:20:58,560 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 4: need to switch. 460 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: Back and all the store you just go around. 461 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 3: Theme taught me how to read the back label and 462 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 3: like what that means and what that you know, the 463 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 3: red three and dex trust and all that something like 464 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 3: that with a chemical name in the back. And again 465 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:18,199 Speaker 3: my it triggered my biocamp pasted and understanding of molecules 466 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 3: and all that you know, cellular upregulation and how to 467 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 3: trigger your mitochondria and what that even is, you know. 468 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 3: So for me that was the journey. I went as 469 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 3: deep as I could in my knowledge, and I had 470 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 3: you know, influence of someone who's a molecular biologist and 471 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 3: and you know, in that sort of like clean lifestyle journey, 472 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 3: and it was perfect for me. 473 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 4: So drop a meal for us here, So someone listening 474 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 4: to like I want to eat, Like Max. 475 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 3: Here's number one you have to get, you know. So 476 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 3: my lifestyle has been for fifteen years, right Number one, 477 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 3: I intimate infest a lot. It's not a science. It's 478 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 3: for me an opportunity to not first of all miss 479 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 3: a meal. Second, we'll not run after like what's my 480 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,400 Speaker 3: breakfast because they can't function without it. And third of all, 481 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 3: it's first of all for me is the most healthiest 482 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 3: way of living. What I believe that We're not meant 483 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 3: to wake up and have a fridge. We're meant to 484 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 3: wake up and a cave, go run hunt something, exude energy. 485 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 2: To catch that. 486 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,640 Speaker 3: When we catch that, we have to eat right then 487 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 3: and there because we just exuded energy. Take the rest, 488 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 3: you know, to that bad cave. Feed the rest of 489 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 3: the fact. Like that's how I believe, you know, the 490 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 3: foundation should be. And so based on that, I wake up. 491 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 3: My first meal could be two, you know, and I 492 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 3: have no problem with that. I try not to go 493 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 3: over sixteen hours. But then again I allow myself late 494 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 3: night meal. My late night meal can have a lot 495 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 3: of bread. We go through, you know, this is my reality. 496 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 3: We'll go through three giant loaves of sour dough in 497 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 3: a I'm gonna say two days, it's you know. And 498 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 3: and butter we go through a stick of butter day, 499 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:03,719 Speaker 3: a big thing, you know. 500 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 2: And so my one year old just loves pieces of 501 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 2: fresh bread with butter. 502 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 3: And oh, I'm all about carnivore. I'm all about that, 503 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 3: you know, but it has to be you know, the 504 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 3: cow that I know what it ate and stuff like that. 505 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 3: So you know, not everything, not all meat is is 506 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 3: the same. Some cows meant for milking, some men for 507 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,199 Speaker 3: you know. I also have a background. My grandma had 508 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,479 Speaker 3: a farm in a dessa outside of you you know, 509 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,679 Speaker 3: in Ukraine, outside of my city. So she was a 510 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 3: dairy producer privately, right, So she had a private farm 511 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 3: with my grandpa, fully cultivated. We're talking chickens, pigs, ducks, 512 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 3: a bull that my uncle is getting married. They killed 513 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 3: the bull. Two hundred and fifty people fast feasted. It 514 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 3: was insane. They used everything from hoofs to horn. I'll 515 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 3: never forget it. And that's kind of like how I 516 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,360 Speaker 3: try to lead my life. Peter and I really much 517 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 3: on the same page with that. 518 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 2: That's it. We eat the same way. My seven year 519 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 2: old's favorite food is salmon and broccoli, just no rope. 520 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 4: So your diet has played a huge role in your 521 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 4: success and your longevity. And what else do you attribute 522 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 4: your success to? 523 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 2: You know, what you put in your body and what 524 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 2: you do with your body. 525 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 3: And then recently I also put together, like you know, 526 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 3: the dots finally came together in terms of the sympathetic 527 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,679 Speaker 3: and part sympathetic you know, systems in your body what 528 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 3: they're responsible for. Where one is responsible for fight or flight, 529 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 3: and you need that right when you're in the gym 530 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 3: and you try to find that, like you know, you're 531 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 3: really kicking yourself at forty five and you're like at 532 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 3: the end and you feel so, you know, you feel 533 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 3: excited like you did that. Well, we feel like we 534 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 3: got to maintain that, and that's not true. We have 535 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 3: to now come down from this. You have to have 536 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,880 Speaker 3: the rest and digest part of your of your day, 537 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,679 Speaker 3: and so we need to you know, really have a 538 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 3: good balance of the fight and flight, rest and digest. 539 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 3: And that's how you got to lift. And that's how 540 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 3: I really, you know, understand it. So the workout is 541 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 3: the kick you butt. The rest is very necessary so 542 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 3: you can do it again and and and the consistency. 543 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 2: Don't reinvent the wheel. 544 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 3: That's the last thing I'll say about this lifestyle stuff. 545 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 3: Once you feel it, you look amazing. Do that because. 546 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: You're working for you existent but not only I mean, 547 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 1: you are extremely successful. You do find time to give back. 548 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: The first time I met you, you probably don't even remember, 549 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 1: but it was with child help. We're at events, Yeah, 550 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: and it was it was geez maybe. 551 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,640 Speaker 3: Years and those are and I made extremely close connection 552 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,399 Speaker 3: relationships with those people. 553 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 2: We're still very close friends. 554 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 3: And yeah, no, I love my OC child health family, 555 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 3: you know, my journey and like, for example, I like 556 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 3: to bring this example up. Maybe he doesn't, but my 557 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 3: brother and I differ, and you know, in different a way. 558 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 3: Like what First of all, I was fourteen when I 559 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,439 Speaker 3: landed in Brooklyn. He was eight, so a little different perspectives. 560 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 3: My high school was two and a half thousand people 561 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 3: graduating class. His was twelve liberal school in you know, 562 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 3: in Hoboken, New Jersey, and the education was a little 563 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 3: bit different. He's an extreme intellectual. I feel so too. 564 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 3: But I feel like I've never been able to just 565 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,439 Speaker 3: sit back and be one, you know. I've always felt 566 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 3: like you gotta go get it, you know, whether it's 567 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:32,640 Speaker 3: on behalf of. 568 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 2: The fam or for you or for the new fam. 569 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,120 Speaker 3: Or like you know, I'm always that guy. And so 570 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 3: for me, it's very hard to just relax and chill 571 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 3: to begin with, right. And also what's difficult is to 572 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 3: I have to constantly hold myself back from being from 573 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 3: getting into the mode of from competition to you know, 574 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 3: the jealousy part. You know, because that comes with competitive nature. 575 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 3: We're not jealous. We have that we hone in on 576 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 3: this and we turn it into the into the way 577 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 3: of achieving a goal. But in this industry, it works 578 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,919 Speaker 3: with you. You have to be you have to have a balance. 579 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 4: That's when I asked about the gamesmanship within Dancing with 580 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 4: the Stars, Like, you know what the scores are, you 581 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,239 Speaker 4: know what the personalities are. How do you manage that 582 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 4: game within the game? Are you aware of what other 583 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 4: people are doing? You tune them out? Do you mess 584 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,120 Speaker 4: with other people? How do you maneuver that game? Because 585 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,479 Speaker 4: there's got to be some element behind the scenes or 586 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 4: when you're in it that we don't see one. 587 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 2: It depends. 588 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 3: So first of all, when I was doing the show, 589 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,880 Speaker 3: and I would say this ten of us, I would 590 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 3: name ten professional dances from two thousand and six to 591 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 3: let's say twenty ten. Those four years we had eight 592 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 3: seasons because we had two a year. So in those 593 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 3: eight seasons of Dancing with the Stars, we figured things out. 594 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,400 Speaker 3: We were just learning and figuring things out. By time 595 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,959 Speaker 3: twenty twelve, let's say I remember exactly when, but like 596 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 3: I had KURSTIALI and this is resting, and I had. 597 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 3: And this is a great example of like, how do 598 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 3: you strategize for a winner, potentially somebody like a Merril Davis. 599 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,400 Speaker 3: I'm only bringing my own examples. You know who I'm 600 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,680 Speaker 3: whom I won with. How do you strategize for someone 601 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,439 Speaker 3: you can potentially win with like an Aaron Andrews, you know, 602 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 3: and how do you strategize somebody like cursciality, no disrespect. 603 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 3: We weren't trying to win, We're just trying to survive stay. 604 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 2: You know well, I. 605 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 3: Mean, and we were hilarious and we weren't trying to 606 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 3: be well. She was just funny and I was not 607 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,719 Speaker 3: trying to be I was just trying to, you know, 608 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 3: on Monday night, have a product. You know, because from 609 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 3: beginning to the end hopefully fingers crossed, you know, So 610 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 3: the strategy is different. But then you look around and 611 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 3: you see, like I can't win against that, you know them, 612 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 3: whoever they are that season. 613 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 4: You know, like it doesn't matter, You're not going to 614 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 4: make your partner get them to somewhere they. 615 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 3: Can so then you so then they example I was 616 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 3: bringing with val and the mentality and the mindset. My 617 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 3: mindset was always go win. His mindset was so much 618 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 3: better than mine. Coming into Dancing with the Stars, his 619 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 3: mindset was give this person the best experience. And now 620 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 3: I'm like, damn it, this was the this, this, this 621 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 3: is the key because it's not because in that you 622 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 3: can probably take someone who's very unlikely to dance and 623 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 3: you know, and blossom them out. Me, I just break you. 624 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 3: I break you, or you get broken and amazing and 625 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 3: blossom or you just stay broken, you know I'm saying 626 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 3: so like for me, it was very, very difficult. 627 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 4: Do you think with that strategy you could take someone 628 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 4: with lesser talent not like grinding them. Do you think 629 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 4: someone could win that way? Or still it doesn't matter. 630 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 2: Probably probably not. 631 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 3: Dancing with the Stars and such audience that like they'll 632 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 3: they'll they'll reward an interesting story, they'll reward you know, 633 00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 3: this kind of journey. 634 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 2: But just for so long towards. 635 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 3: The end, it'll have to be it'll have to be 636 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 3: dancers dooking out against dancers. This should be people by 637 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 3: the finale time. Three four couples that are just like top. 638 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 2: Of the game. 639 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 3: Great story can deliver an awesome dance at the end 640 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 3: of the night where you can have a great standing. 641 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 2: Oh for everybody. 642 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 4: Has there been any little things you've picked up along 643 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 4: the way that's been allowed you to influence the audience, 644 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 4: whether through mannerism you do on TV or on social media, 645 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 4: like do you feel like you can rally boat? 646 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:38,239 Speaker 2: Like? 647 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 4: What are you doing that? When are you doing that? 648 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 2: When all else fails? Just stop? Turn around, just take 649 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 2: your shirt off? What do you mean? Of course, of course, you. 650 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 3: You know dust in the eyes. Look, we're also professionals 651 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 3: at you know, entertainment. Again, all those things aside all 652 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 3: those you know, you know, background stuff about dancing the 653 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 3: stars and everything else. You know, our job was to 654 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 3: put on a show. Somebody in mid in the middle 655 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 3: of my dancing room, the stars run an executive told me. 656 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 3: The way we look at Dancing with the Stars is like, 657 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 3: you know, you come to a theater as an audience, right, 658 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 3: this what the audience said. You come to theaters, you know, 659 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 3: the curtain goes up and it's an you know, two 660 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 3: hour performance, curtain goes down, Dada, you walk away with 661 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 3: what you just saw, right, And that made sense to 662 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 3: me because somebody, somebody drew this parallel where it's not 663 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 3: about me, it's not me making it about me. It's 664 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 3: not me wanting to be, you know, wanting to be 665 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 3: the most impactful part of this episode on behalf of 666 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 3: my partner and all this stuff. I was trying to 667 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 3: like make her be the center of attention all the time, 668 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 3: and the reality is that you're a part. You're an 669 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 3: act in this multi act you know, theater performance. And 670 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 3: so after that it became a lot easier for me 671 00:31:59,320 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 3: to understand the show. 672 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: Did you ever get a celebrity where you're like, oh god. 673 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 3: Y, tell me before you even say who did you 674 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 3: ever get celebrity where you were like anything you had 675 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 3: after that, I'll say, yes, Yeah, I had one where 676 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 3: I was like ugh, when I was like whoa, it 677 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 3: was like oh, it was like oh my god, what 678 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 3: did not expect that? So, yeah, there's been everything for everybody, 679 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 3: you know. I mean, you get you know, seventeen partners. 680 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 3: I had people from Denise Richards to Leila Ali and 681 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 3: everybody in between, you know, Kirsty, Meryl Davis, we're talking, 682 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 3: you know, Aaron, We're talking people that have completely different personalities. 683 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: Denise, you housewife. 684 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 3: I think, so, yeah, maybe you're gonna make me think 685 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 3: of everybody. I'm not gonna I'm gonna miss some people. 686 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 4: So you've gone through that, you've gone and then it 687 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 4: had to be incredible honor for you to be now 688 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 4: tapped as a judge. So for you, cause that's kind 689 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 4: of like you're getting pulled out I mis call it 690 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 4: as you're pulled out from the competitors, and it's like 691 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 4: you're like one of the chosen ones, Like you're the 692 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 4: best of the best, You're one of the most memorable. 693 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 4: Like how did you now going into that as a judge, 694 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 4: how does how you impact or how you approach strategy 695 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 4: to dancing, How does that impact you as a judge. 696 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 4: Do you look at that or you just straight out 697 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 4: like dancing that's it. Or do you look at the 698 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 4: like gamesmanship or showmanship? 699 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 2: So yeah, So now again going back to like it's 700 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 2: so funny wo our family, it's crazy, Like I definitely 701 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 2: think like what would Val do this? Swear to God? 702 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 3: And and and I don't want to pack, like I 703 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 3: don't want him to hear this and like pet himself 704 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 3: in the bag. But you know, he's a big influence. Yes, 705 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 3: as a man. Now I have an example of a 706 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 3: man you know that I'm like, hmm, I'm interested because 707 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 3: our end result is very similar. And so you know, 708 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 3: when I got this judging opportunity, everything in me felt 709 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 3: like I just first of all, by the way, I 710 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 3: called the producers and I was like, I want a meeting, 711 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 3: and I want you to tell me exactly why I'm 712 00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 3: being hired, and also exactly like what's my job? Because 713 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 3: my Dancing with the Stars journey started and the wrong way, 714 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:11,799 Speaker 3: in my opinion, I needed more explanation. Regret, I have 715 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 3: a regret of not asking more questions because I just 716 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 3: asked a question, what's my job? Asold it was to 717 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 3: win a dance competition? Hell no, that's not your job 718 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 3: on Dancing with the Stars. 719 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 4: Because you said you're a part of the show to 720 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 4: make the show. 721 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 3: You know, like there was no but in two thousand 722 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,880 Speaker 3: and six, we probably didn't know the producers were also 723 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 3: figuring things out were I was asked one time to 724 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 3: do samba, you know, against the line of dance, which 725 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 3: is kind of like telling NASCAR drivers, hey, you know what, 726 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 3: this weekend, let's just all turn to the right for once, 727 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,320 Speaker 3: just and giggles. You know, it's better for our cameras. 728 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 3: Yeah whatever. But so though these things and people were 729 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 3: figuring this out. So by the time again, like I said, 730 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 3: the new generation, the current generation, they're like, they're coming 731 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,399 Speaker 3: in on our mistakes and so they're like, no, we're 732 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 3: not going to do any of that. And so, you know, 733 00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,839 Speaker 3: going into dances, so you think you can dance opportunity. 734 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I'm one of hundreds of you know, 735 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,400 Speaker 3: potential people that could have taken the spot right, and 736 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 3: I realized that, and it's important because then you're given 737 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 3: something special. They told me that they want me exactly 738 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 3: for who I am in terms of direction into direct 739 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,439 Speaker 3: you know, statements, really believing in what I'm saying things 740 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,239 Speaker 3: of that, and it's like, don't mince your words, just 741 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 3: say it how it is. 742 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 2: And then. 743 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 3: Why me is because of the background, right, And so 744 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:37,840 Speaker 3: you know, it was important for me to know because 745 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, so I'm in a position based on 746 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,239 Speaker 3: the what I've done right, and so I came into 747 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 3: the show is extremely easy for me to speak because 748 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 3: I wasn't just evaluating. I was like, you know, what 749 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,799 Speaker 3: you've done right, Now, here's how it would stand in 750 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,799 Speaker 3: the real world. Because you were trying to come out 751 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,240 Speaker 3: of this as a professional dancer taking my spot, taking 752 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 3: her spot, taking my brother's spot. Like any spot you'll take, 753 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 3: you have to move somebody, you know, and and and 754 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,319 Speaker 3: it's and it's and it's true in every industry. And 755 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 3: so I was giving them the best advice on what 756 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 3: to do with this opportunity. And and it was great. 757 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 3: I had received an amazing response from people, and like, 758 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 3: the way you were presenting your thought and your opinion 759 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:20,920 Speaker 3: was excellent. 760 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,239 Speaker 1: So it was like, is this a dream job for you. 761 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 2: To sit and be part of dancing. 762 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 1: To not be actually dancing, but but to be critiquing. 763 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 3: I mean, who doesn't like to express their opinion? You know, 764 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 3: let's just be real. Who doesn't like to you know, 765 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,879 Speaker 3: be heard, you know, and be listened to. I think 766 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 3: that's the privilege, you know. So in realizing how privileged 767 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,399 Speaker 3: I am, then the job is easy. Again going back 768 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,880 Speaker 3: to the charity of it of it all, it's important 769 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 3: to me to know because I'm already reciprocated, you know, 770 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,120 Speaker 3: financially and career wise and otherwise. Right, But then there's 771 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 3: this whole, like, you know, the bottom part of the 772 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,799 Speaker 3: iceberg is the celebrity status and people, you know, the 773 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,399 Speaker 3: following in this way, So what do you do with that? 774 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 3: So that was important to me that I utilized that 775 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:12,359 Speaker 3: part as well. 776 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, well you're an amazing guy, and I think you 777 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,040 Speaker 1: so you are you really are. I was when you 778 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,319 Speaker 1: came into that Trader's castle and I think you had 779 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,239 Speaker 1: a pink suit on or something, and I'm like, the next. 780 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,360 Speaker 4: Four days we had that same watch Dancer starts and 781 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:29,759 Speaker 4: I knew who you were, you know, I mean, like 782 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,439 Speaker 4: that's like you transcend the show. 783 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 1: But you just had like a like a look about you, 784 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,280 Speaker 1: like you just I didn't know if I was afraid 785 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 1: of you or just staring at you like I think 786 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:40,480 Speaker 1: I loved him. 787 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 3: First of all, First of all, you got away in 788 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,640 Speaker 3: the beginning, and it was so sad that we didn't 789 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,360 Speaker 3: know if you're going to make it, and so we 790 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 3: lost some time communicating, but it was it was a 791 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 3: pleasure getting to know the both of you, for sure. 792 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,000 Speaker 3: I honestly, I was just so busy in my head. 793 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,239 Speaker 3: I wish I was more relaxed. I wish there was 794 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,719 Speaker 3: more into like just enjoying the process and sort of 795 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 3: like understanding. 796 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 1: I felt the same way I felt. I almost felt 797 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,160 Speaker 1: like I made myself sick because I was so nervous 798 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,319 Speaker 1: about being so far away from my family, not being 799 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,200 Speaker 1: able to talk to my kids, not talking to my husband, 800 00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:14,879 Speaker 1: and I felt like I was just went in there 801 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,480 Speaker 1: with like maybe some negative energy. And I feel like, 802 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,600 Speaker 1: when you do that, negative things will happen to you. 803 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,120 Speaker 4: What do you take away from that in comparison to 804 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 4: what you had done previously? 805 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 2: And in reality potentially an emmy. 806 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:28,360 Speaker 1: Huh yeah, maybe. 807 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:29,239 Speaker 2: Let's get that hard work. 808 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,640 Speaker 3: I think, first of all, reality TV is just one 809 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 3: giant social experiment, and so like I loved it today 810 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,120 Speaker 3: right now, like sitting here two thousand and six, almost 811 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 3: twenty years ago. I loved being a part of this 812 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 3: journey of seeing some things, some shows come up, and 813 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,800 Speaker 3: some things happened, And you know, I think reality social 814 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:52,719 Speaker 3: experiment experience for both sides is amazing. You know you, Peter, 815 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 3: and I favorite show is Love Island. 816 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 1: I remember you telling me that, and it's. 817 00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 3: Still and now we're finishing this new and I'm like, 818 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,480 Speaker 3: I can't believe I'm watching this, but I get why. 819 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,319 Speaker 1: I didn't want to get sucked into it, So I'm like, 820 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:05,719 Speaker 1: I'm not. 821 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,680 Speaker 4: Doing it as a fan, sitting back, I'm watching you 822 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 4: and Deanta, just like hanging out like you guys are 823 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 4: best friends. I'm like, what world am I living? 824 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 2: But it was insane. But it was insane because. 825 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:17,440 Speaker 1: It was like for me, I mean to be forever. 826 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,640 Speaker 1: I'm like, I am here with Marcus Jordan, I'm here 827 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:21,719 Speaker 1: with Max, I'm here. 828 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,040 Speaker 3: I'm so I mean, we stayed in touch a little 829 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 3: bit with you know, some people, MJ, Marcus, Phedra, you know. 830 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,239 Speaker 3: And it was amazing to walk away. I always walk 831 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,360 Speaker 3: into now a new experience. I'm like, I want to 832 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,600 Speaker 3: walk away with great connections. 833 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:37,200 Speaker 1: And relationship friends. 834 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's it, and so everything else falls into place. 835 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,560 Speaker 3: That was the favorite part, the fact that I got 836 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,720 Speaker 3: to spend a week and a half without a phone. 837 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,240 Speaker 3: I remember in the airport, I picked up my phone 838 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 3: and is like your averaged forty five minutes a week. 839 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,160 Speaker 2: I'm like, damn it, I'll never ever se that again, 840 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:53,480 Speaker 2: you know. 841 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:54,359 Speaker 1: Forever ever. 842 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:55,200 Speaker 4: Great. 843 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,200 Speaker 1: Well in closing, and I want to ask you one question, 844 00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,799 Speaker 1: what have you found is the key to success in life? 845 00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:00,600 Speaker 1: Just in general? 846 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,920 Speaker 3: As I listened to Stoics in my car and as 847 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,759 Speaker 3: I'm driving like a like a dead of three and 848 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:14,280 Speaker 3: a mid forties, I think honestly, in my humble opinion, 849 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:18,200 Speaker 3: it's it's tough, but it's consistency. 850 00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:18,480 Speaker 2: You know. 851 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,160 Speaker 3: You you have to find a way to be consistent, 852 00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:26,200 Speaker 3: to consistently figure things out, to consistently, you know, deal 853 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:32,160 Speaker 3: with problems to consistently, you know, deal with yourself and 854 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,919 Speaker 3: try to be a good person. That to me, when 855 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,000 Speaker 3: all else fails, I fold. I look around. I'm like, I, 856 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:43,000 Speaker 3: you know, financially in dirt. You know, I failed in 857 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,640 Speaker 3: this venture. I've failed at this thing. I'm no longer 858 00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,239 Speaker 3: here this and then the other. I look around. I'm like, 859 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,480 Speaker 3: let's fall back into the routine, you know, do what 860 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,480 Speaker 3: I do today? Where's my workout going to come from? 861 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,759 Speaker 3: And I'm in the gym? I mean just activity. 862 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,560 Speaker 2: I want to be active, you know, go for a 863 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,359 Speaker 2: run around the block. I don't care what it is. 864 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:04,480 Speaker 2: So that consistency. 865 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:08,239 Speaker 3: Looking at my father, seeing the how he overcomes struggles, 866 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,560 Speaker 3: and you know, just have beautiful examples in your life. 867 00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:16,440 Speaker 3: Consistency and then few basics and you know it's all 868 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,640 Speaker 3: on you. Just as long as you know that it's 869 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,000 Speaker 3: all on you, and you got this. 870 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, what a pleasure. 871 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,279 Speaker 3: I just want to say, you guys, look amazing as 872 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:32,200 Speaker 3: a pair of podcasters. And also that I vividly remember 873 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,359 Speaker 3: this communication because there was a lot of people right 874 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,440 Speaker 3: and it's not because I'm in this room, but I 875 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,840 Speaker 3: remember our conversation. Also, looking at that scene back. 876 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:43,399 Speaker 2: I'm like this, mother, he knew it, he knew it. 877 00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:47,839 Speaker 3: But I I thought that you guys played great by 878 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,279 Speaker 3: the way the experience. I loved getting out when I did, 879 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,600 Speaker 3: because after that I got a little chippy and personal. 880 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:57,799 Speaker 1: I'm not for that, honestly, a favor murder in May, 881 00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:59,200 Speaker 1: and I thought it was this full hair. 882 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,640 Speaker 2: Thank you guys so much for having me. 883 00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:03,319 Speaker 1: Thank you, we appreciate it. 884 00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:04,280 Speaker 2: Let's get that Ammy 885 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:05,000 Speaker 1: Let's get it