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Speaker 1: Some of the content of Patriots Unfiltered may not be

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Speaker 1: suitable for all audiences. Listener discretion is advised. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: Patriot's Unfiltered. Paul, did you get Josh Bledsoe's autograph yesterday?

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Speaker 1: I have not gotten Josh Bledzo's autograph. I hear the

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Speaker 1: Douce crew is here. Douce crew is here, the full

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Speaker 1: Douce crew is here. I touchdown on Oh and he

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Speaker 1: got the crowd out and he just heard himself. I kid,

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Speaker 1: I kid, I don't remember seeing it in the three

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Speaker 1: you're right. You know, we go far with them. Has

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Speaker 1: what happened this week? No, okay, you're right a lot

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Speaker 1: of Paul, you're right today. That's the way that's I

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Speaker 1: tell Bath all the time. First time we called his name,

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Speaker 1: still waiting to call Ronnie Perkins. That seemed like an

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Speaker 1: unnecessary shot by Deuce right there, I said, to check

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Speaker 1: Twitter and find out how grad he's been today. Wow,

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Speaker 1: just the shots are just flying. When the joints come,

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Speaker 1: we'll probably we'll probably if you got him, we'll drop

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Speaker 1: back flip to Stevenson otherwise known as a screen. Is

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Speaker 1: that a screen. I want to see if I can

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Speaker 1: make Fred punch. This is Patriots Unfiltered, fueled by Duncan.

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Speaker 1: All right, we are here back in the studio, Patriots Unfiltered,

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Speaker 1: inside the bottles of Gillette Stadium. I am might do so,

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Speaker 1: Paul Purlo, this is Patriots Unfiltered. No Fred Kirsch today.

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Speaker 1: So for those waiting for the Big boss Man, he's

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Speaker 1: out today. So fortunate because I won't get him to

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Speaker 1: punch me. Yeah, which was my goal of the last show.

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Speaker 1: But you know what, that's all right, there's plenty to

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Speaker 1: talk about today. We've observed what is it, six practices

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Speaker 1: Now I have six practices, the second one in full pads,

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Speaker 1: due second one in full pads today, and even though

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Speaker 1: it's just me and Pauli's starting everything off, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: have everybody kind of coming in. We'll have Tomorrow, we'll

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Speaker 1: have Alex, we'll have Evan coming into way in. They're

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Speaker 1: finishing up outside with Mac as practice ran up against

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Speaker 1: the start of the show, but we wanted to get in.

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Speaker 1: Of course, you guys probably listen to the live shows,

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Speaker 1: so you maybe have a little bit of a sense,

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Speaker 1: but we're here to get you caught up on everything

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Speaker 1: that we've we've seen from the last week or of

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Speaker 1: practice is here, So please, you know, right in webmail

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Speaker 1: at Patriots dot com, give us a call. Uh, it's

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Speaker 1: eight five five pats five hundred. Web radio at Patriots

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Speaker 1: dot com. Thank you Matt for correcting me on that

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Speaker 1: eight five pats five hundred as well. Give us a call. Hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm still learning here, got thrust into this. I'm still

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Speaker 1: but but Paul, I'm sure everyone's kind of you know,

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Speaker 1: day or so a practices. But um, but let's start

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Speaker 1: off just today with what what kind of your key

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Speaker 1: takeaway was from watching things out there? Yeah, just later

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Speaker 1: more physicality. Obviously, a lot of one on one stuff

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Speaker 1: pass rushers against offensive lineman. I thought the offensive line

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Speaker 1: because I think he's looked pretty good in this camp.

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Speaker 1: I think today he had another strong day. Yeah, number

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Speaker 1: not able to run the football, I think they're going

428
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Speaker 1: to have a really hard time, you know, getting in

429
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Speaker 1: situations that are good for this passing game. Because I

430
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Speaker 1: think he is a guy, Mac Jones is a guy

431
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Speaker 1: that needs that. I think he needs to throw when

432
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Speaker 1: he wants to, as opposed to when he has to.

433
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Speaker 1: And right now it hasn't it hasn't been smooth. But

434
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Speaker 1: I'm also you know, and there was a tweet yesterday

435
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Speaker 1: from our Brodie Greg Budard, right, you know, called it

436
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Speaker 1: an abject disaster, and I'm just like, they've had five

437
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Speaker 1: practices and I'm not trying to be like all sunshine

438
00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:44,160
Speaker 1: and roses here, but they've had now six practices, I'm

439
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Speaker 1: not ready to call anything a wild success or failure

440
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Speaker 1: after practices. You know, we get in the middle of

441
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Speaker 1: October and the Patriots are having a hard time moving

442
00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,040
Speaker 1: the ball consistently in scoring points. Then you say, well, listen,

443
00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,439
Speaker 1: the transition to the new offense has taken longer than

444
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Speaker 1: than they they probably thought. And maybe this is and

445
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Speaker 1: a good fit. But right now, I do think there's

446
00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:04,879
Speaker 1: some newness to what they're doing. They're all talking about it,

447
00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:06,960
Speaker 1: which I was really surprised at from the outset of

448
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Speaker 1: camp with how willing some of the players have been

449
00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,320
Speaker 1: to say, you know, the terminology has changed, it's allowing

450
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Speaker 1: us to play faster. It's blah blah blah. You know,

451
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Speaker 1: they're acknowledging the changes to the offense, which I didn't

452
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Speaker 1: think they necessarily would. So that tells me that they've

453
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Speaker 1: changed the offense. So let's let it play out. Let's

454
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Speaker 1: see how the transition goes. And like I said, when

455
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Speaker 1: the regular season starts, if they're not moving the ball,

456
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Speaker 1: we'll kill them. But right now I'm willing to sort

457
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Speaker 1: of accept some of the growing pains that goes along

458
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Speaker 1: with that. Let's go, let's go through some of the

459
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Speaker 1: rookies too. I'm sure people are dying to hear about

460
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Speaker 1: the performance of them. I mean, I think Tykwon Thornton's

461
00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,040
Speaker 1: kind of showing up the last couple of days and

462
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Speaker 1: even despite contact, like yeah, holding onto the ball, that

463
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Speaker 1: was like the big thing. I was worried about looking

464
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Speaker 1: at him, but he seems to hold up pretty well

465
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Speaker 1: and the speed is definitely showing. Yeah, which was the

466
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Speaker 1: question like all of the offseason, like have you seen

467
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Speaker 1: how fast he is? Yet, like even asking and Troy

468
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:02,040
Speaker 1: Brown like they were like, what about his speed? Have

469
00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,159
Speaker 1: you seen that? And They're like, not really, We're just

470
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Speaker 1: going through drills. You can't really see that. But now

471
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Speaker 1: I think in the one on one drills we've actually

472
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Speaker 1: been able to see him turn on his burners. So

473
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Speaker 1: I think that, you know, for a rookie, especially per

474
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Speaker 1: Alex and everyone's you know, thoughts were, is he going

475
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Speaker 1: to be able to hold onto the ball, especially with

476
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Speaker 1: his size compared to some of the backs. Um, I

477
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Speaker 1: think that you know, we've we've seen him, you know,

478
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Speaker 1: progressed so far. I think yesterday there was a play

479
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Speaker 1: and I was I was on the other side of

480
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Speaker 1: the field, But I think he kind of had some

481
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Speaker 1: contact at the line with it with a defensive back

482
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Speaker 1: and was able to shake loose and get away from him.

483
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Speaker 1: I'm forgetting which defensive back it was, Um, I think

484
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Speaker 1: it was Butler. Butler. He had one over Mills today. Yeah,

485
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Speaker 1: so you know we're starting to show up and that's

486
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Speaker 1: a good sign. Yeah. Now, I think he's been impressive,

487
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Speaker 1: because you know that I'm sort of looking at this

488
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Speaker 1: as a red shair year for him. But I do

489
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Speaker 1: think and I've seen pretty much every practice. There was

490
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Speaker 1: a play today that you were talking about, Mike where

491
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Speaker 1: the throw wasn't great, the coverage was pretty good, and

492
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Speaker 1: I thought he's sort of set up. I think it

493
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Speaker 1: was John Williams, Like the ball was sort of drifting

494
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Speaker 1: towards the sideline and he kind of like set him

495
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Speaker 1: up a little bit to create some space to come back,

496
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Speaker 1: and he caught it over the wrong shoulder on the outside,

497
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Speaker 1: which I thought was a really difficult catch, and he

498
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Speaker 1: made it look easy. He has really good ball skills

499
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Speaker 1: and obviously he runs well. But I haven't really seen

500
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Speaker 1: anything in any team periods. I haven't seen any catches

501
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Speaker 1: in full eleven on eleven that I said Oh, well,

502
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,680
Speaker 1: you know that that's something that he can do one

503
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Speaker 1: on ones. Like Tamara said, he shows up every day

504
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,119
Speaker 1: every day and that's just I mean, that's that's a

505
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Speaker 1: great sign of I think we said at the beginning,

506
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Speaker 1: like just stay healthy, get out there every day. Learn.

507
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Speaker 1: I mean, I thought one of the best throws today

508
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Speaker 1: was for him, not kenning to him, passes to him

509
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Speaker 1: was from Bailey's appey along the sideline. I think I

510
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Speaker 1: think it was in bounds, tough for us to tell

511
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Speaker 1: from from where we were sitting, but Brian Hoyer has

512
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Speaker 1: been out now for a bunch of days and it's

513
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Speaker 1: really kind of opened up the opportunities for Bailey Zappy.

514
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Speaker 1: He got a ton of reps today and he seems

515
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Speaker 1: to be you know, I mean he's a rookie. There's

516
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Speaker 1: certainly plays that that aren't smoothly, just like they rot

517
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Speaker 1: for Mac. But um, I think he showed some zip

518
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Speaker 1: on the ball and made some plays that went to

519
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Speaker 1: Thornton today where it was kind of, you know, just

520
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Speaker 1: an out route on the far sideline and he was

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Speaker 1: able to kind of drill it in there. What are

522
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Speaker 1: you guys seeing from from zapp? Yeah, I think after Saturday.

523
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Speaker 1: He obviously had a rough day. I think all the

524
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Speaker 1: offense had a rough day, but it was nice to

525
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Speaker 1: see him bounce back these last two days. Um, he

526
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Speaker 1: was getting it out quick, I thought, and it looks

527
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Speaker 1: like a bullet. Yeah, he's just a little short. I

528
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Speaker 1: think that's the thing. It's hard, especially when we're at

529
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Speaker 1: field level and you can kind of see after the snap.

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Speaker 1: He almost has to like jump up a little bit

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Speaker 1: to get a get an initial look. But again, a

532
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Speaker 1: guy who's getting tons of reps cold strange you've heard.

533
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Speaker 1: I mean he's he stepped in and at left guard,

534
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Speaker 1: and I mean that's pretty much where he's been. I

535
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Speaker 1: think probably the highlight of his camp though, teams well,

536
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Speaker 1: the punt then the punt competition at the end of

537
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Speaker 1: the game, at the end of the practice earlier this week,

538
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 1: where you know, put it on him. I mean he

539
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 1: caught two and the second one was tough too. I

540
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 1: mean he had to actually scramble, so, you know, showing

541
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Speaker 1: a little bit of that athleticism. I know, nobody really

542
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 1: cares about catching a punt at the end of practice. Um,

543
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 1: but overall, you know, in terms of the one on ones,

544
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Speaker 1: I was I was locked on on those today. I

545
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 1: did have him losing a rep to Godchawum, but I

546
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Speaker 1: had him beaten Lawrence Guy. So I mean, I think

547
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Speaker 1: he's he's holding in there and probably starting to, uh,

548
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Speaker 1: you know, to find his footing a little bit there

549
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Speaker 1: on the inside. Another nice thing too, was was Marcus Jones.

550
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Speaker 1: I think we're starting to see him returning some punts.

551
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Speaker 1: He's back out there. We didn't see him at all

552
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Speaker 1: smaller in the spring. Yeah, you're right, showing some every

553
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Speaker 1: day from the start. So, I mean the health of

554
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,360
Speaker 1: the roster is remarkably good. Yeah. I mean they had

555
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Speaker 1: a handful of guys start on list and they're almost

556
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Speaker 1: all off the list by now. It's James White and

557
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 1: then two rookie offensive lineman. You know, Brian Hoyder has

558
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Speaker 1: missed the last several days. You know, he's not on

559
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Speaker 1: any kind of a list or anything. I think he

560
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Speaker 1: Belichick said this morning that it wouldn't be too much longer.

561
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Speaker 1: So I wonder if he's dealing with something, you know,

562
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Speaker 1: maybe like an illness. Yeah, like Jake Bailey had to

563
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 1: start camp football illness or non football, probably a non

564
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Speaker 1: football illness. I don't think it's football related flu. I

565
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Speaker 1: don't I'm gonna I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say it's

566
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Speaker 1: not Foxborough flu um. A couple of things. UM. Yeah,

567
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Speaker 1: I see some quotes coming up now on on the

568
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Speaker 1: Twitter machine from from Mac and you know, he talked about,

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Speaker 1: you know, uh, losing to the defense was quote a

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Speaker 1: shot in the heart. UM. You know, hard to strike

571
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 1: a balance between learning and competing. Um. And then he said,

572
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Speaker 1: better days ahead. We're at the start of this thing.

573
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Speaker 1: We're going to get it going. So he's acknowledging that

574
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 1: it's it's been going. It you know, it's not going.

575
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Speaker 1: It's not going. I mean it's been I thought they

576
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Speaker 1: had a good start on Thursday in shorts, and I

577
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Speaker 1: don't think they've had anything resembling success since. Now. I'm

578
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Speaker 1: with you, and I kind of find feel like Kendrick

579
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 1: Bourne kind of conspicuously absent from any I mean, I

580
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: think every other receiver has had some wow moments, but

581
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Speaker 1: I haven't really seen much out of the Born. I

582
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 1: think thought, like, well, when they moved to the middle

583
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 1: of the field, that's where he kind of works. He

584
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 1: got us off to a slow start last year. UM.

585
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Speaker 1: Concern about Born at all I mean, he's still bringing

586
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Speaker 1: the energy. He's a big smile. I mean, you know

587
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: he's going to keep working hard and uh and bringing

588
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 1: the positive energy. But have you guys seen much out

589
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: of him? I just just not really any big plays.

590
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: I haven't I've seen more out of like Nelson Agil

591
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: or Yeah, today I was. There were a couple of

592
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Speaker 1: times where I was like, did he just get that

593
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: one handed catch? Like I feel like that was the

594
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Speaker 1: most exciting play that I saw today was from him.

595
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Speaker 1: And um, I think that we've seen We've talked about

596
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,360
Speaker 1: like guys that need to make a year two leap,

597
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:40,120
Speaker 1: and he hasn't really shown me that yet. We've seen obviously,

598
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Speaker 1: John new Smith we've seen had his day the other day.

599
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: It's it's yeah, I mean, and I think Parker got

600
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: a lot of the headlines the first couple of days

601
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Speaker 1: with all those contested catches and you know, it's it's

602
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Speaker 1: I'd say he key chips in usually with one a

603
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 1: day maybe, but it's not overly consistent. And they all

604
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: kind of similar in that he's the guy that comes

605
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: down with the conte He had one yesterday where he

606
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: got well behind Malcolm Butler on a deep ball and

607
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: made a catch probably for the best play yesterday with

608
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Speaker 1: Mac Jones hitting him on a probably like a fifty

609
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: yard bomb. But other than that, almost all of his

610
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: catches have been very similar. You know, there's pretty tightly

611
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: covered and he uses his frame to create some space,

612
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: and he's good at contested catches, but he hasn't been

613
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 1: overly consistent getting open and finally just to get it

614
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 1: out of the way. Since we're going all around the roster,

615
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 1: we got to talk to the coaching staff offensive play calling.

616
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: M Paul, what have you seen? What do the mechanics

617
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: look like? Can you give us some say I'm going

618
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: to be honest and say I've stopped watching up walkie

619
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Speaker 1: talkie tracking. Well now they're even using walking talkies on defense,

620
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:49,159
Speaker 1: so like Bill Peppers one to get mental reps. So

621
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Speaker 1: what I've basically seen is it's been a combination of

622
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Speaker 1: the three of them, Bill Belichick, matt Patricia, Joe Judge.

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Speaker 1: I think in seven on sevens it's generally been Judge

624
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: running the show while Mattie pas with the offensive lineman.

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00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 1: When it's been full team, it's been more Patricia on

626
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: Alwaukee talkie. But I've also seen plenty of Bill Belichick

627
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 1: just talking to the quarterbacks and relaying the play. Yeah,

628
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: so I think it's going to be sort of a

629
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Speaker 1: joint effort. The players have talked about that. You know,

630
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: it's their job to go out and execute. They're giving

631
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 1: them plenty of opportunity. I think Aglore talked about that

632
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: just now when we came off the field. The coaches

633
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 1: have given them plenty of opportunities. They know what they're doing.

634
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: It's our job to go out and execute it. So

635
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,640
Speaker 1: I think at least they're they're all saying the right things.

636
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 1: We'll see how it unfolds went. Like I said, if

637
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: you get into the regular season and you're not moving

638
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 1: the ball, all of these things become questions. Right now,

639
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Speaker 1: they're not because it's just practice. Yeah, just talking about practice.

640
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: Still it's it's I mean, it's still you can still

641
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: feel the kind of angst from everybody, but it's But

642
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: you're right, and I think that's what we're all kind

643
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: of struggling with. So I feel like we've kind of

644
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: set the table. We've gone around anybody else. I haven't

645
00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: mentioned that, you guys feel like we need to bring

646
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,719
Speaker 1: up I'm trying, like I'm trying to drag everybody out there.

647
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: We're talking about Daniel Aquala, who has been good, who

648
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: has been pretty good. I think he's he's shown up

649
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: a little bit, you know, Jake Julian feeling slighted some punts.

650
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: But of course you got you know, we got plenty

651
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: of emails. As I would say, just rolling in right now,

652
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: Why don't so that that sounds like a great idea.

653
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: Now that we've set the table. Uh here, good job,

654
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: it's gonna rapid fire a little bit, a little rapid

655
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: fire lightning as they do on the real radio station.

656
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: Let's just set the table. It's one of my favorites. Uh,

657
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: Jack and Jack and Annaba. Who's taking reps? Is the

658
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,239
Speaker 1: second string offensive line, you know, jumping on that one.

659
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: Po little second string acting like the whole line. Hold police,

660
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: you go left to right on that one. I will

661
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: I'll give you. I'll give you a left to right

662
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: in the radio dial. If you give me one second,

663
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: I get an Arlington Hambright in the mix, where you

664
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: will definitely get an Arlington Hambright in the mix. Um,

665
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: now I gotta find out what day that was. I

666
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: think I can probably justin ham music going right now. Yeah, okay,

667
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: so now now I'm gonna need a roster, all right,

668
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: So James Sterns seventy two is ud just okay, there's

669
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: one he is This is left or right? Then Jude

670
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: Deja l A, Cody Russy, Um Will Sherman, and Josiah Durant.

671
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: That was the second line yesterday for at least one

672
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: of the portions I've seen Arlington Hambright and we mentioned

673
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: him off the top because today he was getting some

674
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: reps with the ones um we've seen. Obviously, James Farrens

675
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: is the second center. He's played center enough with the

676
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,479
Speaker 1: first group because David Andrews isn't quite um fully up

677
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: to speed. So those guys are all in the mix,

678
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: and that you know. Unfortunately, the two rookies, Chason Hines

679
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: and Andrew Steuber still are not on the practice field.

680
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: So I think it's looking like a last year for

681
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: those for those guys in terms of winning any any

682
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: sort of you know, role with the with the twos,

683
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,479
Speaker 1: I think, I mean, I gotta give cut Justin Harronson

684
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: credit on that Kyle Dugger interception that ended practice a

685
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: couple days ago. He'd like chased down Dugger from the

686
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: other side of the field looked like Ben Watson, but

687
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: at least good effort from him. Neil from New Brunswick

688
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: checks in as a bossible a Christian Barmore could blow

689
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: up and become a star. If so, we'd be drawing

690
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: double teams a lot. So would it not makes sense

691
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: to try to trade for or find a veteran who

692
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: is a pure pass rusher who could come off the

693
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: opposite side of Joote on Barmore. Guys, what do you

694
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: think so far? Thumbs up? Right, Yeah, I mean I

695
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: think that's true. I mean I think that's the thing

696
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: with josh uch that that you want Ouche to be

697
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: that guy, right like that's you need a second guy

698
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: to step up. So far, it seems like OUCHA. Maybe

699
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: Jennings is a little bit in that mix, but otherwise

700
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: I haven't seen a lot out of Perkins. Cameron mcgroan,

701
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: I know was it was a darling kind of this offseason.

702
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: He's still kind of in that lower range, So I

703
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: think it's a I think it's a need to have

704
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: that complimentary piece to choot On and Barmore for sure,

705
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: But Barmore looks like he's ready to take a jump.

706
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: Here's the one. Here's a good one from Brandon. How

707
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: do you feel about possibly trading Myers for a decent

708
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: pick born with then play Myers role and you signed

709
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: Nixon the fifty three man roster, your wide receiver room

710
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: is now born Thornton, Parker, Nelson, Nixon. That's a cheaper,

711
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: more dynamic I mean we've talked about that a little

712
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: bit so far, but um, I don't know cheaper more dynamic.

713
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: I don't know about cheaper. Yes, I mean you can,

714
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: you can get rid of one of the guys that

715
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: makes a little money and it's cheaper, But I'm sure

716
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: you're getting any more dynamic. I think Jakobe Myers is

717
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,479
Speaker 1: a good player. Yeah, I think everybody wants to get

718
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: rid of him because he's not going to be the

719
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: guy that's stretching the field and making big plays. But

720
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: I think I think people are overlooking the fact that

721
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: he caught eighty three passes last year and showed up

722
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: every week as the guy that Mac relied on. And

723
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: I'm not I haven't seen anything from Trey Nixon to

724
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: tell me that he can out of my mouth that

725
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: that's not someone that we've really seen a lot out

726
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: of yeat, like Tamara said, since mini camps. So it's

727
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: I don't think he's I think I think and might

728
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: have been zappy today. It might have been Mac, but

729
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: I think it was Yeah, he had one catch, Yeah

730
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: he made he made a player or two flirts with

731
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: the top line, but not not not nothing consistent. And

732
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: I mean it was the opportunity I think in minicamp,

733
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: and and he took advantage of it. But I think

734
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: right now he's kind of waiting for an opportunity. But

735
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: Christen Virginia ways and to Mary, I just want to

736
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: tell you he bought his Virginia Tech Boston College tickets

737
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: and the Virginia Tech West Virginia tickets. But he said,

738
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: speaking to Thort, it sounds like you guys are all impressed.

739
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: Should I feel safe to assume that he has more

740
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: potential and already a better player than Harry. I mean,

741
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: let's not get crazy, um, but I think he's had

742
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: a good start, you know, and just by being out

743
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: there and catching the balls that's been thrown to him,

744
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: I think his speed shows up. But I don't know,

745
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: I said the Paul kind of jokingly the beginning during

746
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: one of the live shows that like DeVante Parker showed

747
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: you in the first couple of days what you wanted

748
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: to kill Harry to be in terms of winning those

749
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: contested catches. Just he's tough to handle. Harry would win

750
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: a couple, but I still think he got beat too much.

751
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: But probably too soon to anoint tew th Guys, you think, well,

752
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: even if Tykeon is a guy that all they have

753
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: doing is just running up and down the field, drawing

754
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: the attention of a safety deep that's pretty productive. If

755
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: he yeah, absolutely, if he could get out there and

756
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: catch a ball or two like that, then his mere

757
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: presence is going to create what you think everybody else creates,

758
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: and that's that safety help over the top mic so

759
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 1: that there is some value in that. But you have

760
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: to do the Bethel Johnson thing. You have to at

761
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: least put it in the defense's mind that you can

762
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: make that play once or twice. And that's why I

763
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: think they're using him a lot, and you see it

764
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: almost every day at practice. He's with Matthew Slayter and

765
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 1: Justin Bethel and working on the gunner stuff with special teams.

766
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: Because if he's going to be the fifth receiver, you

767
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: have to find a way to get him, you know,

768
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: on the field, to justify having him be active in

769
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: the game. So if he's going to be like a

770
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,479
Speaker 1: bit role as a home run hitter, like Alex said,

771
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: then he needs to do something else to, you know,

772
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: sort of justify that. Yeah, let's let's go to the phones.

773
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: We got Willie and Philly check in. What's up William?

774
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: What's going on? Mike? How you see? I feel pretty good.

775
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 1: It's a little hot out there, but uh, we're in

776
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: the the thick of it right now. I kind of

777
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: enjoy the camp. You know, it's like every day kind

778
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 1: of feels like groundhunk day. But but it's it's fun.

779
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 1: It's fun. Okay, how many how many questions do I

780
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: get to add? The floor is yours? My friend? Go ahead,

781
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: all right, I'll do the rest of the show. We'll

782
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: just listen. We'll hang up and listen. Okay, Um, what

783
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 1: was the deep tackle's name again that we just got? Yeah?

784
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: Got Youah, we could have did something else with that money. Correct.

785
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 1: I didn't even know we even I didn't know what

786
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: the pages even had money I get to give him? Yeah,

787
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,919
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's more out the future money

788
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: you're giving him instead of the current money. But but

789
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: you know, you're right, it's still money. It actually lowered

790
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: his cap number, right, Okay, and um Mac looked like

791
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 1: Mac look like he looked frustrated. I've seen that interview.

792
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: I mean he just looked very frustrated a little bit,

793
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I could imagine I'm trying

794
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: to learn it. I knew something new, new plays and onnot,

795
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: but he just looked as he was answering all the

796
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: questions and stuff. Then he just looked frustrated to me,

797
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And that's understandable. Yeah he does.

798
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: And I mean I mean to credit It's not as

799
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: demonstrative as it was, but I think you can definitely

800
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: feel some frustration there. Okay, And tomorrow they are training

801
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: him tomorrow, right yep, same time. Uh well, alex Or,

802
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: I don't know who's gonna be out there interviewing. Can

803
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: let me ask you this now, I've seen a video

804
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,240
Speaker 1: of twin Conthor in Busy. I know he could burner.

805
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 1: I seen him catching the ball and he didn't burn

806
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: any of the basic corners. Was pretty safety. I just

807
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: wanted to know, couldn't he can we do one hand

808
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 1: catches or or you know what I mean, or any

809
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: type of a little how you say or lord rads

810
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: people anything like that. Well, he's made some difficult catches,

811
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: I would say, in one on ones throughout throughout the

812
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 1: five or six days we've been out there. Okay, and

813
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: my last, my last question, and this one is for ball. Well,

814
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: I know you're gonna give it to me straight, so

815
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: I'm playing for what. We're only gonna win three games.

816
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: I wouldn't count for what you see. And I know

817
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: we're still in the early process right now, but what

818
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 1: is what do you think so far as far as

819
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: what you have seen? Well, I mean it hasn't Yeah,

820
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: I mean I'm with Mac like I mean, it hasn't

821
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: been very good offensively, and I think part of that

822
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: is because they are sort of adjusting and adapting to

823
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: new things. But I'm not I'm just not ready to

824
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: push the panic button, you know, a weekend of practice.

825
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: I think there's been enough good signs. I think, you know,

826
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: we just talked about thought in a little bit, and

827
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: I think he's been a little better than than I

828
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: would figure he would have been at this point. Um,

829
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna write a little bit about Agalore

830
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: at some point today as well. So I don't think

831
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: it's been like a complete wash offensively, like they gotta

832
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: just rip up this playbook and go to something different.

833
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,240
Speaker 1: But it's been it's been a slow transition. It hasn't

834
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: been great. I mean, I I'm not gonna sugarcoat it

835
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: and tell you, oh, you don't worry. You know, it's

836
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 1: been it's fresh listening. But he's not on the show today,

837
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 1: so I can't just say everything's gonna be fine. Do

838
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: you think that's because of the musical chairs on the

839
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: offensive line or or is it like like, I think

840
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: it's a little of everything. I mean, I I don't

841
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: think there's a root cause completely. I mean, I think

842
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: it's just a question of how much you know, do

843
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 1: you give this offensive transition and how different is it really?

844
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: You know? Only they know that for sure, But uh,

845
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 1: we'll see. Let's let's keep the calls rolling here, uh

846
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:51,439
Speaker 1: and go to Eldred, North Carolina. What's up Eldred? Hey fella, lady,

847
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: how you how you doing today? Well? Okay, I just

848
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: gotta concern and a question, Okay, I'll read it. Interview

849
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: with Matt like, like you frustrated the defense won a

850
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,720
Speaker 1: game one that day, whatever it was. But my question

851
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 1: is if that defense could pressure on that on this

852
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 1: offense you're not concerned about doing in the season, would

853
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator not originally offensive coordinator? That's my chief concern. Yeah,

854
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: I'm concerned about the offense. I am. I've been pretty

855
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: consistent in talking about the lack of direction and whatnot.

856
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: And until I see that there's some sort of you know, uh,

857
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: cohesion and consistent production, I'm going to continue to be

858
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: concerned about it. Yeah, but I'm not again, I'm not

859
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: calling it an abject disaster like has been written in

860
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: Boston over the last couple of days. Yeah, so they

861
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: worried too, the hump all Oh no, I mean Mac

862
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 1: is worried. I mean, I don't think it's telling secrets here.

863
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 1: I mean Matt is expressing frustration, like it's not fun

864
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: to be the quarterback can not be able to move

865
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: the ball consistently. I mean, especially when you know this

866
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: has been one of the biggest questions surrounding the offense.

867
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: Is this the right way to go forward with? You

868
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,919
Speaker 1: know what they're doing, and you certainly want to allow

869
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: them some leeway to change things and to maybe look

870
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 1: a little clunky out of the gate, but at some

871
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: point it has to get better. And I think if

872
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: you know, someone like Josh McDaniels were here an offense

873
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 1: recording that you had for a while, you'd feel like

874
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 1: they'll get it. They know what they're doing. They've put

875
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: this offense in before exactly, you know. And so I

876
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: I hear Eldred and I mean, you know, I you

877
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: know the show. I mean, I've been talking. I'm more

878
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: confident about the defense I think the offense is. I mean,

879
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: I'm not ready to blow the trumpet for the defense

880
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 1: right now because all things consider what it is in practice.

881
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,240
Speaker 1: But you know, my my concern level for the offense

882
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: has definitely risen over the last few days. It's just

883
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: it's just look clunky and not consistent and not you

884
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: know where even where they left off last year. So

885
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 1: we'll see if they if they continue and start to

886
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: click in a year. But it's it hasn't been good

887
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: here through the last few days. Although I will say

888
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: today it felt like there were, you know, some glimmers

889
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: here and there, maybe a little bit more than yesterday.

890
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm grabbing at straws there. But that's my thoughts.

891
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: Did you say today, Yeah, yeah, I thought today was

892
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: better than yesterday. Look a little bit better he does,

893
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 1: he does. I think you'll be happy. I think you'll

894
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: be happy with him, you know, if he can. Thanks Eldred,

895
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 1: Thanks Biggy. Yeah. I do think people will be be

896
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 1: excited about about Thorton. I mean, but one of my

897
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: big thoughts with Thornton now is just, you know, get

898
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 1: them involved more, like we said the same thing like

899
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: Red Shirt Bethel Johnson, a couple of shot plays, like

900
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: get him going, like I mean, you've only got a

901
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 1: certain amount of time of this guy that the sooner

902
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 1: you can get him up to say that might be

903
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: part of your offense, and make that speed part of

904
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: your offense the better. Who was the emailer earlier that

905
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 1: suggested sort of peddling Myers and you know that would

906
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: be a way to get more explosive if you wanted

907
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: to replace Myers with Thornton. That's a totally different kind

908
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: of receiver. I just you know Nixon's not going to

909
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 1: give you that. Um but but Myers, I mean, if

910
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: Thornton could, if if he pans out and he is

911
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: as advertised, as a second round pick, and he becomes

912
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: the next in this line of receivers in the last

913
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: three four years that have come right into the league

914
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: and immediately produced. You know, you could get You could

915
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,879
Speaker 1: make an argument that forty or fifty catches from someone

916
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: like that could be more valuable than eighty catches from

917
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 1: someone like Myers. Yeah. I think everyone's issue with like

918
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: Myers is when you look at his stats, you don't

919
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: see a ton of touchdowns. He has a lot of receptions,

920
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: but not a lot of touchdowns, And so maybe they're

921
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: looking like, Okay, maybe we can trade him away and

922
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,919
Speaker 1: get someone who can actually help us to the board.

923
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 1: But at the same time, though, I feel like there's

924
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: kind of a void of simple quick plays to the

925
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: slot receiver. Really. I mean, you've seen a lot of

926
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: checkdowns and some really good depasses too, but you know

927
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: that's that. I think that's maybe my biggest question right

928
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:50,919
Speaker 1: now with the offense is like, you know, where's Born

929
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: and Myers, Like, how are they going to fit in

930
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: and are they going to start to you know, contribute

931
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: once things get real and it's real football, YadA, YadA, YadA,

932
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: is that going to open them up? I don't. I

933
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: just I think that that's a part of the of

934
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: it all that that isn't quite settling right for me.

935
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 1: But you know, people are definitely on him. Michael Aguilar

936
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 1: are writing in the same thing. You know, could Thornton

937
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: could you envision him being a big factor? I don't

938
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: know if I'm ready to say a big factor, but

939
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: I just think his physical talent jumps off the field

940
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: more so than you know, most of the guys that

941
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 1: are on the field right now. And at some point

942
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: you got to get that involved. And the longer you

943
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: wait is it, you know, are you wasting time with him,

944
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: wasting him under contract for four years? You know? Like see,

945
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: that's my feeling on rookies in general, though. I don't

946
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:35,720
Speaker 1: feel like if you think the salary structure is important

947
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: and you're concerned about the cap and your roster structure

948
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: in terms of the salaries that I don't think you

949
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: can afford. You just blanketly let rookies slowly acclimate themselves

950
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: and work their way. And that's what I thought. The

951
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: best thing they came out of last year was you

952
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 1: had three rookies that played major roles in mac Jones,

953
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 1: Christian Barmore and Ramadreson like, so, now you don't you

954
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 1: didn't only get three years out of You're gonna get

955
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 1: a full four and in max case, you have a

956
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: chance to get a fifth as the first round pick.

957
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: I don't like the idea of quote unquote redshirting a

958
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: guy unless he can't play. So if the guy shows

959
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: a monicum of ability, I like to get him out

960
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: there and then figure out, you know how I can

961
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 1: maximize his ability on his rookie contract, if that's important

962
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 1: to you. I don't care about the roster structure salary wise.

963
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: I just want good players. So if Ronnie Perkins can't play,

964
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: I don't need to get him out there because the

965
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,720
Speaker 1: you know, the four you know, if or mondre Stevenson

966
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 1: was a flash in the pan, I don't need to

967
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: get four years, you know what I mean. I don't

968
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: need the cost effective is I need good players. Yeah,

969
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: And that's why I like, uh, you know, the idea

970
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: of letting Thornton figure it out. Yeah, I mean that's

971
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 1: I think it'd be easier if Agilore and Parker hadn't

972
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: really done anything yet, because those are kind of the

973
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 1: outside guys at the top and it's hard after that

974
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: practice to say, well, just get rid of Aglare and

975
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 1: put him you know, Agler has been pretty good, so

976
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: it's some tough choices. I mean, I think some of

977
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: the depth will will get played out as it always does,

978
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: and injuries and some of the further competition. But some

979
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 1: woman in the Bay Area writing in and my apologize

980
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: it's been quite some time since he's written in, but

981
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 1: asking about Mac Fridays on Saturday and Friday's training camp show,

982
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 1: it seemed he was unimpressive at times and not putting

983
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: the ball where it needs to be. From what you've observed,

984
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: What did you seem from him that could be correctable

985
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: in a short period of time, and what do you

986
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: have a lot more of a long term concern with

987
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 1: It's hard to discern, but I just feel like, and

988
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: I know Mike Giardi was at practice and wrote a

989
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,760
Speaker 1: lot about, you know, feeling that the receivers just weren't

990
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 1: able to get open. And granted they were in the

991
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: red zone, so that's challenging for guys to shake loose

992
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 1: down there, but yeah, I just felt like they're not

993
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: in sync right now, Like there was like some timing

994
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: things that you know, sometimes it's the protection. Sometimes it's

995
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: you know, Mac wants to go somewhere and he's got

996
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 1: to tuck it. It's just it's not like he's missing

997
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 1: guys or guys are open, or oh this should be it.

998
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,919
Speaker 1: It just kind of feels jumbled, And again, I would

999
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: connect it. If this is, you know, one of these,

1000
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: we're gonna just basically want run inside zone and wide zone.

1001
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: You know, that needs to be operational and a weapon

1002
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 1: to open up everything else. With the play action, we're

1003
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 1: starting to see some of those off of the you know,

1004
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 1: you fake like everybody's running right and then he's going

1005
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: to roll back to the other side and try to

1006
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: hit the deep playum. You know. So I think it's

1007
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,280
Speaker 1: all kind of connected, and until they get the running

1008
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: game kind of going, it's it's hard to hard to read.

1009
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard to put it on him and

1010
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: say he's not hitting guys that are open. I don't know.

1011
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: I wish we had video with it because then you

1012
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: could see really who's getting separation and who wasn't. But

1013
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,720
Speaker 1: I don't know, what did you guys think of Mac overall?

1014
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: Just you know, what, what are the issues there? Do

1015
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: you think? I mean, it's all speculation right at this point. Yeah,

1016
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: I think, I think it's a little bit of everything.

1017
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: I think it's a mixture of the musical chairs on

1018
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:55,760
Speaker 1: the offensive line obviously the new air quote new offense,

1019
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: because like for the most part, the players are the same.

1020
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 1: You have some musical chairs on the office offensive line,

1021
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 1: but you have the same wide receivers for the most part, obviously,

1022
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: besides the Devonte Parker. Also, we haven't talked about Time

1023
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: Montgomery um at all, um, but he had a few

1024
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: catches today because I remember talking talking to brot him

1025
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: up before you popped on a you know, just one

1026
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 1: of those guys. It just seems involved and does a

1027
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: lot of things. Yeah, I like that. I like the

1028
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: versatility out of him a lot. I think that the

1029
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 1: struggles and the offense. I think it's just a lot

1030
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: of combination of things between the musical chairs and the

1031
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 1: offensive line, Like it all starts up front and then

1032
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: um the new offense. I think, and I'm hoping that

1033
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: irons itself out by next week, but it's hard to

1034
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: put a timetable on it. Yeah, and I'd say too,

1035
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I think, I mean, I think the offensive

1036
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: line is has been pretty good in drills. Like I

1037
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: liked what I saw at Trent Brown today. I mean

1038
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: the second he gets his hands on somebody just throws

1039
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: them to the ground. Um, you know, I don't know.

1040
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 1: I mean maybe there's something there with a when you again, Paul,

1041
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: like with the handbright stuff, is that trying to find

1042
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: depth or are they you know, not not quite as

1043
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: high as as on when you Well, I think that's true,

1044
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:02,800
Speaker 1: There's no question about that. Otherwise he would have started

1045
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: last year. He lost his starting job. But I do

1046
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 1: think that the handbright thing is trying to find some depth.

1047
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 1: They're trying to figure out who are our seven guys

1048
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 1: eight guys that are going to be active on game day.

1049
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: So question if it if this switching them doesn't work out,

1050
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 1: do you switch them back or you just ride it out?

1051
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:22,720
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's a good question. If it doesn't

1052
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 1: work the way they think, I mean, it's put them back,

1053
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: put them back where they're like when you switch them back,

1054
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: or just ride it out and hope that as they

1055
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 1: get more reps it just gets better. It's I mean,

1056
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: it's a good question. I think they feel like Brown

1057
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:39,399
Speaker 1: is better at left tackle them win. So I don't

1058
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 1: think that's changing. Yeah, I mean, I don't. I don't

1059
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 1: have any knowledge of that. I just I'm I'm doing

1060
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: the Fred curtishism there, you know, Paul and Fred. One

1061
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: of our tenants is always just watch what Bill does.

1062
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,399
Speaker 1: Don't listen to anybody saying anything. Just watch what Bill does.

1063
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 1: From the first day we got to see the twenty

1064
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: twenty two team, Trent Brown has been on the left side,

1065
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 1: Issaiah Win's been on the right side. Anytime that both

1066
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: of those guys have been out on the field, that's

1067
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 1: where they've been. Yeah, And I don't and I don't

1068
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: think that's gonna Do you think Win has gotten some

1069
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,359
Speaker 1: left tackle reps if I remember seeing correctly. I haven't

1070
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 1: seen it, so I can't confirm. I think I saw

1071
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 1: somebody tweet that out, but it's a good question. I mean,

1072
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,919
Speaker 1: I just think when they made the switch so soon

1073
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: in the spring, that seems to think that was when

1074
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: Trent Brown went and took a lap. Yeah, I mean,

1075
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: I'm dead serious. I think that was. That's possible, and

1076
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:28,879
Speaker 1: that was probably a five place span by Brown came back.

1077
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: It was let's let's go back to the phones are

1078
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: real quick. We got Matt and Ohio. Check it in. Matt,

1079
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: you're on Patriots Unfiltered. Here you guys, how you doing good?

1080
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: They so, yeah, I got the same concerned you guys

1081
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 1: do about the offensive defense, but I don't want to

1082
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: change up the subject on it. But what would you

1083
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:53,399
Speaker 1: guys think about the recent uh thoughts? Transaction? Was that? Basically, yeah,

1084
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 1: we got this isn't an offseason show. We got the training.

1085
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 1: We got training can to talk about. I think the

1086
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: socks are done, but I would I would definitely look

1087
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: to get some pieces if they could. I don't know

1088
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,240
Speaker 1: enough about the minor leagues. It sounds like the Vasquez

1089
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 1: deal was a good one for the Red Sox, but

1090
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 1: I don't know enough about the minor leagues to intelligently

1091
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,439
Speaker 1: talk about that. Oh yeah, we're on what's that? We're

1092
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: on that for a nothing burger answer, We're onto football. Um.

1093
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 1: Adam checking in from somewhere. I'm not sure where exactly,

1094
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 1: but curious to see how Stidham looks Thursday night at

1095
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: Tomorrow night, I guess that's gonna be our two nights

1096
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: is to kick off the Hall of Fame game. So

1097
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: no nobody here, no, because I saw a tweet that

1098
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence and ETN aren't playing, and so I would

1099
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: imagine that, you know, the Raiders do the same, and

1100
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: just I mean yeah, I just yeah. I wouldn't imagine

1101
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 1: that we're gonna see to kill Harry. I think there'd

1102
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 1: be a lot of a lot of people hyped up

1103
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: for McKiel. Have we heard anything on a Bears camp

1104
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,359
Speaker 1: from him? I haven't we heard one low light one

1105
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 1: low light perform. Yeah. Yeah, the fans were enjoying. But uh,

1106
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 1: question here from Johnson in Nova Scotia. Um, compared to

1107
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: last year's camp, how's the play calling changed? Is the

1108
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: offense throwing the ball more? If so, are you surprised

1109
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: we only have Mac and Zapp getting all the reps

1110
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,800
Speaker 1: instead of another qb um. I just think it's the

1111
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: change in the run game. There's not there's not a

1112
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 1: lot of pulling guards. It's it's a lot of the simple.

1113
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: I think that's been the change. But I don't think

1114
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: they're throwing it anymore or less. I mean, they start

1115
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: off obviously ensure it, so it's all almost all throwing.

1116
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 1: It seems pretty balanced. And I mean I don't want

1117
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 1: to I really don't want to say this, but I

1118
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: kind of feel it. I just I kind of felt

1119
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: like Mac looked more comfortable last year out of the gate.

1120
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if if that's you know, which is

1121
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 1: fun because this is a system that was more geared

1122
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: to what he did, right, he was more with the RPO.

1123
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: Is the stuff that we talked about as like, I mean,

1124
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: we're going back to March, our off season shows in

1125
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 1: March with you know, some of the stuff that quote

1126
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: unquote he taught Billy O'Brien at Alabama. You remember that whole. Yeah,

1127
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 1: I mean this this goes back a long way, you know,

1128
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 1: And I don't know if we've necessarily seen I wonder

1129
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: if maybe he's fine with it, but the receivers haven't

1130
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: been as quick to adapt and maybe not getting open

1131
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: as much. The one thing that I see about the

1132
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 1: offense all the time is it definitely appears to me

1133
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: that Mac is forced to pull the ball down way

1134
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: more often than he did last year. He's he's looking

1135
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: to make a play with his legs and you know,

1136
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 1: extend plays improvised way too many throws across his body.

1137
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 1: It just hasn't it's looked clunky. Yeah, that hasn't a

1138
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 1: clunky I mean the way you said it too, it

1139
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: just reminded me of what I felt like a Stidham

1140
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: his rookie year or what we saw or was just like, ah,

1141
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:36,839
Speaker 1: he's just he doesn't quite he isn't quite there yet.

1142
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: It's just not you know, he's not seeing it. And

1143
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 1: that's why you're in that weird region of like, well,

1144
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: is this you know, new new offense, there's new progressions

1145
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: for him to go through. We don't. We don't really know,

1146
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,839
Speaker 1: but um, each day you hope it gets a little better,

1147
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: and I think it was a little bit better today,

1148
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: but there's a long way to go before they take

1149
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 1: the field next week against the Giants. Uh Andrew from Annandale,

1150
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 1: Virginia writes in now, what's the latest on Pierre Strong

1151
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 1: and what sort of role could he play? Still limited? Right, Yeah,

1152
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: I mean we don't really even see him up and

1153
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: then it seems like he kind of disappears. We haven't

1154
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 1: really seen him take any reps. Kevin Harris has been

1155
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: I think getting more of those reps because of that,

1156
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 1: but it's still tough to see right now, especially like

1157
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 1: we said, like the defensive line is stuffing them, so

1158
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: it's there's not an opportunity for us to really see

1159
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 1: those guys, you know, yeah, be super productive. Well, I

1160
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 1: thought Harris caught the ball pretty well today. I mean

1161
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 1: I think that was a little bit of an underrated

1162
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: part of his game. Um, you know, he's getting the

1163
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 1: bottom reps down there with JJ Taylor as well. But again,

1164
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: a big, big, bruising back. It's hard to really get

1165
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,399
Speaker 1: a sense of what he is just yet. Stead Rights

1166
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: and you guys have been talking about Thornton a good

1167
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: bit during camp. Seemed to really be tempering your expectations.

1168
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:46,919
Speaker 1: I know we have a poor history of drafting skill

1169
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 1: positions high, but I don't think it's reasonable unreasonable to

1170
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:53,760
Speaker 1: expect him to have an immediate impact wide out. Drafted

1171
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:55,320
Speaker 1: that highly on any other team would be hell to do,

1172
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,399
Speaker 1: higher standard than I think Thornton is with us. That's

1173
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: probably true. Super excited from Mac this year, I think great.

1174
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 1: I think Bourne will be our a thousand yard guy,

1175
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 1: followed by Parker and JOHNU. I think John, who needs

1176
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 1: over fifty catches seven or fifty yards to make me

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00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: happy with his contract, thought, uh, well, I think John

1178
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: has looked pretty good. A thousand yards for Hendrick Bourne. Yeah,

1179
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: that one, that one right now. It's it's it's hard

1180
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:20,839
Speaker 1: to see with how how camp has kind of started again.

1181
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 1: I think he started last year kind of slow, so

1182
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: so you know, I could see a thousand Dante maybe

1183
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 1: here at this point, but a lot of a lot

1184
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,359
Speaker 1: of contested catches. But I think John has had a good,

1185
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 1: good camp. I mean, I think he consistently shows up

1186
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: and I think the good thing with all these guys

1187
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: is that they're not really getting injured. You're not seeing

1188
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: like guys in and out. I mean, Dietrich wise has

1189
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 1: been has been limited. He missed a couple of days.

1190
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: He's been back out there, um you know, kind of

1191
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 1: mid practice. He comes up it seems like um from

1192
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: the fields. But you know, I think that's what that's

1193
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: what we're hitting a lot with Taekwon Thornton. I mean

1194
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 1: it's just what is his ceiling and how quickly can

1195
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 1: they get him to play a sizeable role. And I

1196
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: think he's you know, shown some good things. That Harry

1197
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 1: got sidelined with injuries right out of camp, and you know,

1198
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 1: you just get behind the eight ball and never you

1199
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 1: never can quite get caught up. I also wonder too,

1200
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: if like for a rookie, you're not swimming in last

1201
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 1: year's offense to come in and if this is a

1202
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 1: simpler offense that he doesn't he's just kind of starting

1203
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 1: from the ground level instead of having to unlearned certain

1204
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: things and maybe incorporate other new things that I don't

1205
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 1: know that that makes sense. Maybe I think that one

1206
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 1: there's not a big star, like there's a bunch of

1207
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 1: pieces in the wide receiver room, but there isn't like

1208
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: a big gap at all, and so I think that

1209
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: it gives him the ability to come in and and

1210
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: and be productive, I guess without being like super intimidated.

1211
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:37,439
Speaker 1: I guess like he has a lot of great guys

1212
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 1: to learn from, but there's not one that like one

1213
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 1: or two guys that are just like yeah, yeah, there's

1214
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 1: like not that it guy, and they seem like a

1215
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 1: good group. They seem like there's something yeah, but right now.

1216
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 1: And I think that's why he pops like his speed,

1217
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 1: and you know, just he just has those light feet

1218
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 1: and you know, I just I don't want to, I

1219
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 1: don't want to make the comparison to Randy Moss, but

1220
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,439
Speaker 1: there's just the body type reminds me of the long

1221
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:01,919
Speaker 1: lead kind of guy that seems to kind of build

1222
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 1: up speed but also has, you know, some long strides

1223
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: that I think are deceptive to guys, you know on

1224
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: the shorter rights when he's breaking stuff off to the

1225
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 1: middle as well. James Morris writing into early on the

1226
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 1: spring train, Nixon was getting all kinds of praise, no

1227
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 1: talk about him so far. How does he look? I

1228
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 1: just tread water right now, right treading water. He kind

1229
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 1: of going home, staying up at night. I feel like

1230
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 1: I lost in the shuffle, like lost in the shuffle.

1231
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 1: I think I just think he's been really quiet since

1232
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 1: training camp started. So like that's why, like I cautioned,

1233
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 1: sometimes days and plays are designed like there was. I

1234
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: think Tomarow used the phrase about a half hour ago

1235
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 1: about like we had a Jacobe Meyer's day, like all

1236
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 1: of a sudden, he caught like five or six passes,

1237
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: you know, and clearly things would design to get that

1238
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: position involved. And there's been days early on the first

1239
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 1: day was DeVante Parker, and back in mini camp there

1240
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:57,359
Speaker 1: was probably a period that was designed to get Trey

1241
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: Nixon up to speed and involved in some of those connections,

1242
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: and they only haven't been any of those since since

1243
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 1: training camp started, so he's been quiet and I think

1244
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:09,320
Speaker 1: it for Mini Camp TRAINIX and also had that that

1245
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 1: ability to you know, get more reps because Kendrick Bourne

1246
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 1: was out too, so then that was that was another

1247
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 1: piece of it. Or he wasn't there so then he

1248
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: had the chance to take some reps with Matt And

1249
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 1: that's and that's why I say trading water like waiting

1250
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: for his opportunity, waiting for that chance to be able

1251
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 1: to jump in. Oh, it looks like Hardy's still got

1252
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: on our Microsoft surface there on the sports side upstairs.

1253
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: Maybe never got that back off Fred. We should go

1254
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 1: out there and that harassment bit Todd and Greenville writes

1255
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 1: in I know that you cannot comment on specifics, but

1256
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 1: have you seen anyone in the backfield that would normally

1257
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:46,919
Speaker 1: not be there? Just a lot of the defenders. I think, yeah,

1258
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 1: Davin garda Christian Lawrence guy. That was my bad joke

1259
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: of the day. Have you seen any jumbo packages with

1260
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 1: a guard coming in? Is that? And now, I mean

1261
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 1: it's been pretty pretty pretty straightforward running game. There's not

1262
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: there's in a fullback being involved in this offense. There's

1263
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: nobody really playing fullback. Um, no, I agree, hasn't been

1264
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 1: any of that there, and you know they're not no

1265
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 1: real Shenanigans even like of course we wouldn't even tell

1266
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 1: you anyway, but you know it's not. But I can

1267
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: tell you that we haven't. Yeah, you know. And uh,

1268
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: let's see what else we got here on please, uh yeah,

1269
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 1: give us a ring as the phone. The phone lines

1270
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: have opened up here a little bit, so five five pats,

1271
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 1: five hundred, send us an email, ask us about I mean,

1272
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 1: I feel like we're touching on on everybody and also too,

1273
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: probably a good point to talk they you know, some

1274
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 1: bottom of the roster signings today. Brad Hawkins, safety from

1275
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: Michigan be Hawk was here. Be Hawk actually had a

1276
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: loud hit, elicited a lot of reaction from his defensive

1277
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 1: teammates first day day, making an impact and uh you

1278
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 1: know that's what his close friends call him, be Hawk

1279
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 1: as well as another because you can never have too

1280
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 1: many safeties. Another safety, I'll let you do the honors

1281
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 1: to Mary. Number thirty six was out there today. Jalen

1282
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:00,080
Speaker 1: Elliott Notre dame. So what's what's his deal, dude or

1283
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 1: anythingbout him? You're any scouting report for US here scouting Report.

1284
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 1: I was a little shocked because, again another safety, I thought,

1285
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 1: I don't think it was that good. I'm just shocked

1286
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 1: that I didn't really see that as a need right now.

1287
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 1: Not to say that he's not a good player. He's

1288
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 1: a great player, but I think I was a little shocked.

1289
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 1: We're not bringing in a lot another linebacker maybe, Like

1290
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 1: I mean, you already got just like seven safeties that yeah,

1291
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 1: Like all the signings we've made have been like receivers. Yeah.

1292
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 1: And so the two like two of the deepest areas. Yeah,

1293
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 1: So I'm a little bit confused. I was. I was

1294
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 1: a little bull shocked about that. I was looking for

1295
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 1: maybe like a linebacker. Was he there? Was he there

1296
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 1: during your time? Yeah? He was? He was um yeah

1297
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 1: with the Lions before this. Um. And so I'm I'm

1298
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: not too sure how this is going to shake out,

1299
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 1: considering all the safeties that we already had a lot

1300
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 1: of guys above him. And I mean I will say

1301
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: to uh, you know, guy, we haven't mentioned everybody's on

1302
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 1: undrafted rookie free agent watch. I mean Brendan school or

1303
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 1: seems like he's in like the Matthew school. Matthew Slater

1304
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 1: School of Special teams, like private tutoring sessions, and uh,

1305
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 1: you know, looked like he was getting some things right today.

1306
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 1: I was just watching some of the drills that he

1307
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 1: was doing on you know, blocking on punt return and

1308
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 1: you know, just getting some some good encouragement from from

1309
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 1: Cam a Cord on the job he was doing in

1310
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 1: terms of getting in position and blocking. So you can

1311
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 1: never rule out, of course, the special team studs that

1312
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 1: come in here and play significant roles. Um did you

1313
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:26,920
Speaker 1: what about Um? We're still talking again per Alex's comment

1314
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: about us being super deep on wide receiver in safety

1315
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 1: Lord Jordan Humphrey, Jordan, we haven't talked a lot, not

1316
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 1: a lot. Well, did he make a play today, Paul?

1317
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 1: I think he made a pass today. He did catch

1318
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 1: a pass, and not in like eleven on eleven. I

1319
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 1: don't mean like to be dismissive like all you caught

1320
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 1: up at no in eleven on eleven, real game. I

1321
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 1: mean he put him with with Christian Wilkerson, guys that

1322
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 1: you know pop up maybe with cash here or there,

1323
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: with the second team with with Bailey Zappy. Uh. The

1324
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 1: other edition they had made was was Josh Hammond, another

1325
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 1: practice squad guy who's been around a little bit. Um.

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01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 1: One more guy wanted to to mention, Oh, just in

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01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 1: on Hawkins, you know, coming out of Michigan. Another like

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01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 1: safety strong safety box safety. Patrick Chung was here earlier.

1329
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 1: Asked Bill Belichick today about just this group, and you

1330
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 1: know how much that position has evolved, because it certainly

1331
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 1: seems like it's a strength of the team if they're

1332
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 1: able to put them all in the field. But I

1333
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 1: the question is, how do you get all those guys involved?

1334
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 1: I mean Jabrol Peppers is they're all kind of unique.

1335
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 1: They all kind of have unique traits and stuff, and

1336
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 1: you know, just running through I mean, Adrian Phillip's been

1337
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 1: super involved, mccordy on the back ends doing some coverage

1338
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 1: as well. I mean, I think Dugger's been a little

1339
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 1: bit of a buzz guy who's who's had a big

1340
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 1: interception to end, I think it was Saturday's practice, but

1341
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 1: has gotten picked on a little bit in coverage with

1342
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:42,440
Speaker 1: some of the tight ends as well. I think you

1343
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 1: know John who had had him on a couple. I

1344
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 1: think he's a guy to watch. I mean, I know

1345
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 1: a lot of people are kind of hyped for him

1346
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 1: to maybe take that next step as a safety. But

1347
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 1: as we've talked about, how do you take the next

1348
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 1: step when that's such a big group and you're all

1349
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 1: going to play? You know, yeah? Do you so? I

1350
01:01:56,480 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 1: was just thinking about this earlier. Do you see you

1351
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 1: know someone that's gonna fill the void of jac Jackson

1352
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 1: yet or not yet? Still early? I mean, oh, yeah,

1353
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,440
Speaker 1: to fill the void of Jay. No, they don't have

1354
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 1: anybody that can do that. There. That's a that's a concern.

1355
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 1: And I mean the secondary. It's funny because the secondary

1356
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 1: is locked up these receivers for the most part. But

1357
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 1: I think that's more about the offense is transition than

1358
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 1: it is the defense showing up something about the defense.

1359
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 1: I think the front, the defensive front has been pretty strong,

1360
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 1: but the secondary, to me, like Jalen Mills is you know,

1361
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 1: a scrappy guy that we saw last year, but I

1362
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 1: don't think he's jac Jackson caliber Jac Jackson or you know,

1363
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 1: Steph Gilmore, He's not. He's not that kind of player. Yeah. Well,

1364
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 1: the final member of the the squad today has joined.

1365
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 1: Evan Lazar is now checking in after me, and I

1366
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 1: can check out and write, well, I haven't we've been,

1367
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 1: I mean, we've been going around the horn right now,

1368
01:02:57,480 --> 01:02:59,440
Speaker 1: and I just want to give you a chance to

1369
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 1: way in on just some general general thoughts about what

1370
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 1: you've taken from from Patriots Tenny camp here in the

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01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 1: first six days. Well, I was listening a little to

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01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 1: a little bit of the first hour, and I thought

1373
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 1: that Paul nailed it when he said it's another one.

1374
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 1: There's another one that's going to go far in this business,

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01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 1: thank you. We're two padded practices in, right, and you're

1376
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 1: installing a new system, which, whether they want to admit

1377
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 1: it or not, is very different transition from what they're

1378
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 1: doing before. And there's a rush to judgment that all

1379
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 1: of us have to deal with, right where you got

1380
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 1: to hold back a little bit and not get too

1381
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 1: far ahead of yourself. Here. The Patriots and Bill Belichick

1382
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 1: would love to hear me say this. They don't play

1383
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 1: a regular season game for over a month, right, So right,

1384
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 1: So to get all cont just trying to get the

1385
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 1: quarterbacks to get all caught up in the fact that

1386
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:54,840
Speaker 1: in the second padded practice, the running game looks shaky.

1387
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 1: To put it politely, it is a little bit premature.

1388
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 1: It is now the one thing that I'll say about

1389
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:06,000
Speaker 1: the offense that worries me is today in particular, and

1390
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 1: we talked to him after practice, and you know, Mac,

1391
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 1: he's a statesman, He's going to say all the right

1392
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 1: things at the podium, but he looks like somebody that

1393
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 1: is not quite understanding what they're doing completely all the time.

1394
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 1: And he's the most important guy in the room. So

1395
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 1: if he doesn't understand it, or he doesn't feel comfortable

1396
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 1: running it, then they probably shouldn't be running it. And

1397
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:29,920
Speaker 1: I think that that's where they have to figure things

1398
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 1: out over the next couple of weeks, is is this

1399
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 1: actually what's best for the personnel that we have. Because

1400
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 1: I've been clamoring for watching practice, let's get into the

1401
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 1: two minute, Let's get some pace to this thing. Let's

1402
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 1: put Mac in the shotgun and let's spread the field.

1403
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 1: And if he doesn't look good, then then it's time

1404
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 1: to be a little bit worried. But because he's not

1405
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 1: running bootleg actions very well, I can't really get all

1406
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:57,480
Speaker 1: hot and bothered about that yet. Two practices in, Yeah,

1407
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:01,080
Speaker 1: and I agree with the stuff. I'm not going to

1408
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 1: get into the exits and oos because that's for brighter

1409
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 1: football minds than me. But what I will say is

1410
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:10,880
Speaker 1: they'll figure out the stuff that's working better and they'll stick.

1411
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:14,560
Speaker 1: It's like last year, right at the outset, you didn't

1412
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 1: see bombs away. You saw a lot of quick stuff

1413
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:19,959
Speaker 1: to James White. In the first game, you know, maybe

1414
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 1: a wheel route down the sideline was probably the highlight

1415
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 1: offensive play of that opener against Miami. You saw a

1416
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 1: lot of running the football. They'll fall back into the

1417
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 1: things that they're doing best, and then you'll see them

1418
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 1: spread the field a little bit and then work off

1419
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:37,240
Speaker 1: at that. I do feel like in order for this

1420
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 1: offense to get any better than it did last year,

1421
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 1: they're going to have to find a way to get

1422
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 1: the ball down field more effectively than they did last year.

1423
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:48,720
Speaker 1: That's not really been the problem. Like the execution of

1424
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 1: whatever they're doing right now is the problem. Not oh,

1425
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 1: Matt can't throw it, you know, the whole like the

1426
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:56,920
Speaker 1: arm strength thing has nothing to do again with how

1427
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 1: far he throws it. It's how long it takes it

1428
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 1: to get there. And I don't think that's been the

1429
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 1: problem so far. It's been execution and sort of widespread

1430
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 1: And you talked about the running game, Evan that I'll

1431
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 1: say has been an object as ask and Mac. That's

1432
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 1: actually one of Max's quotes today. He's like, it's our

1433
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 1: job to execute, and we're not doing that. Like, we're

1434
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 1: not executing. It's like they could give us all the

1435
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 1: plays in the world, but like, if we're not executing it,

1436
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 1: if we're not doing our job, then of course it's

1437
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 1: not gonna work. Yeah. I liked Evan's points just about

1438
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:32,120
Speaker 1: we haven't seen any of like the situational football where

1439
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 1: you're going down the field and Bill's putting the ball

1440
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 1: here and then all right and then boom boom boom.

1441
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:37,440
Speaker 1: I mean, you haven't seen any of that. I think

1442
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 1: that's that's a great point, but I think it begs

1443
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 1: the question, though, you know, you're supposed to tailor this

1444
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 1: offense right to Mac, Like, isn't this supposed to be

1445
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 1: playing to his strength? Isn't this supposed to be doing

1446
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 1: what he does best? Like should there be this much

1447
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 1: of an adjustment period when you're supposed to be tacking

1448
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 1: into what he does best? That's you know, that's the question. Yeah,

1449
01:06:57,040 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 1: And I like a lot of the elements of what

1450
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:01,960
Speaker 1: they're trying to do because I think The main goal

1451
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:03,840
Speaker 1: of it is to try to get some of these

1452
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 1: faster playmakers, are good ball carriers that they do have

1453
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 1: into space more often, which I think is a good

1454
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 1: goal to have. But you start to talk about the

1455
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:17,160
Speaker 1: Shanahan tree and the McVeigh coaching staff or wherever you

1456
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 1: want to go with it, and look at the quarterbacks

1457
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 1: that those coaches have targeted now that they have some

1458
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:28,440
Speaker 1: consistency in their program. It's Trey Lance, it's Matthew Stafford,

1459
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:32,400
Speaker 1: it's Zach Wilson with the Jets. These are athletic, big armed,

1460
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 1: you know, high arm talent level quarterbacks. These are not

1461
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 1: you know, the guys that win with accuracy, with good

1462
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 1: you know, mechanics and with good reads and timing and

1463
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:46,200
Speaker 1: things like that above the ears, like like Mac does.

1464
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 1: This is all about physical tools. And there's a reason

1465
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 1: why the forty nine ers traded in Jimmy g for

1466
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 1: Trey Lance. There's a reason why the Rams traded in

1467
01:07:56,440 --> 01:08:00,200
Speaker 1: Jared Goff from Matthew Stafford. It's because those quarterbacks fit

1468
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:03,480
Speaker 1: what they do schematically a little bit better. So my

1469
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 1: biggest concern with what they're doing schematically offensively is number ten.

1470
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 1: Is this, what's best for Mac Jones or is this

1471
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:14,640
Speaker 1: what's going to get the best out of him? Because ultimately, yeah,

1472
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 1: it might be great for Johnny Smith to run some

1473
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:20,280
Speaker 1: some motion and to run some zone concepts and things

1474
01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:22,760
Speaker 1: like that, but the offense is not going to take

1475
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 1: off because Johnny Smith is having a little bit more

1476
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:26,880
Speaker 1: of a productive season. It's going to take off because

1477
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:29,200
Speaker 1: Mac Jones makes that step forward. Yeah, I mean that's

1478
01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:30,680
Speaker 1: and that's why I never really bought Mac to the

1479
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:32,360
Speaker 1: forty nine ers last year when that was a rumor

1480
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 1: at three, Like, it just didn't really seem to fit

1481
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:38,360
Speaker 1: like that Shanahan what he wants to do. So that's

1482
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 1: why overall, I just I have some questions. I think

1483
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:41,559
Speaker 1: if we had come out here and see a bunch

1484
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 1: of RPOs while Mac did in college and be like,

1485
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:45,240
Speaker 1: all right, this will makes sense. But yeah, none of

1486
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 1: that really. I mean, what about on the defensive side

1487
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 1: of the ball. Just you know what's kind of stood

1488
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 1: out to you? Any players or anything that you know,

1489
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:53,120
Speaker 1: at least first few days that that have caught your eye. Yeah,

1490
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:55,320
Speaker 1: we'll see if it if it keeps up. Just how

1491
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:58,160
Speaker 1: much a visit the offense struggling versus the defense, But

1492
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:00,759
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage has been dominated by the defense

1493
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:07,720
Speaker 1: through two padded practices really very consistently, and not just

1494
01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:11,839
Speaker 1: the starting defensive line, but also the second string defensive

1495
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 1: line has controlled the trenches as well. Acquity, Daniel Aquality

1496
01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:20,960
Speaker 1: and one on ones had a few wins yesterday today

1497
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 1: it was a little bit more on the offensive line

1498
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:26,000
Speaker 1: side of thing, But overall, when we get into eleven

1499
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:29,880
Speaker 1: on elevens, the defensive front, the linebacker group, you feel

1500
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:32,320
Speaker 1: a lot more optimistic about that group. I'm still not

1501
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:35,280
Speaker 1: ready to get super hyped up about the corners yet,

1502
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:38,320
Speaker 1: just because what they're going up against currently right now

1503
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:41,600
Speaker 1: is not going to be Tyrone against Tyreek Hill and

1504
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:43,760
Speaker 1: Dalen Waddle in Week one, So well, let's wait and

1505
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:45,720
Speaker 1: see on the back end. But in terms of the

1506
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:49,800
Speaker 1: front end, I think coming into the it's into camp.

1507
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 1: Linebackers in particular was one spot where it seemed like

1508
01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:56,320
Speaker 1: the team wanted to move forward with a different regime there.

1509
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:59,040
Speaker 1: And I would say that guys like ray Kua, McMillan,

1510
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:01,800
Speaker 1: mac Wilson and I think moves at a different speed

1511
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:04,200
Speaker 1: than some of the other linebackers they've had here in

1512
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:08,519
Speaker 1: the past, and even Juwan Bentley, who not to give

1513
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:10,439
Speaker 1: away too much of what they're doing with Juwan Bentley,

1514
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:12,720
Speaker 1: but they're moving him into spots where I think he's

1515
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 1: going to be less in coverage and less in space

1516
01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 1: and not have to worry about those foot races as

1517
01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 1: much over the middle of the field. So I like

1518
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:22,320
Speaker 1: what they're doing in the front seven defensively, And I

1519
01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:24,559
Speaker 1: could go through the whole depth chart on the defensive

1520
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:26,439
Speaker 1: line and say, oh, this guy's been pretty good. That

1521
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:29,160
Speaker 1: guy's been pretty good, Henry Anderson, some of the younger

1522
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 1: guys like Lebrian Ray had a good day. She's just

1523
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 1: about to bring him off someone. Dave and Bethlehem just

1524
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 1: wrote in asking about about Lebrian Ray. Yeah, yeah, we've

1525
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:42,439
Speaker 1: gotten to Lebrian Ray. Portion. Hey, listen, second to last

1526
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:45,479
Speaker 1: rep of eleven on eleven's everybody's hooting and hollering because

1527
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:47,240
Speaker 1: Nelson Aglare caught the ball at the back of the

1528
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:48,840
Speaker 1: end zone and it was a good pass from mac

1529
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:51,640
Speaker 1: Lebrian Ray would have hit his arm, maybe would have

1530
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:54,040
Speaker 1: sacked him. Honestly, if this was a live situation, went

1531
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:56,920
Speaker 1: right around Trent Brown. So he's good and I know

1532
01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:58,800
Speaker 1: exactly the play you're talking about because it just wrote

1533
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:01,880
Speaker 1: it up for AGLOW because I'm right, I choose to

1534
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:04,439
Speaker 1: focus on the skill position guys, but I know exactly

1535
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:06,800
Speaker 1: the rep you're talking about absolutely, So I mean just

1536
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:08,840
Speaker 1: to get back to the offense for a second, because

1537
01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 1: just why do you think they did this? Like why

1538
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:13,720
Speaker 1: do you think they changed to this? Like what what

1539
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 1: you know? I know you said that you think they're

1540
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 1: trying to play to their strengths, But then when you

1541
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:19,400
Speaker 1: try to match up what they have a quarterback and

1542
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:22,200
Speaker 1: you know, running back I think is a strength. You know,

1543
01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 1: is this going to help the running game? You think?

1544
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:26,519
Speaker 1: Are these guys you know, going to be better zone

1545
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 1: read instead of you know, power and having guys pull

1546
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 1: and all all the stuff that they used to do

1547
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:34,560
Speaker 1: would seem like an almost overwhelmingly I don't want to

1548
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:37,200
Speaker 1: say complex, but just the volume of modern running plays

1549
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 1: that they would do, whether they had a fullback end

1550
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:42,439
Speaker 1: or not or two tight ends? Why why? Why is

1551
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 1: this what we're trying to go towards. Well, the one

1552
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:48,439
Speaker 1: thing I keep on coming back to is if you

1553
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:51,040
Speaker 1: read about the Shanahan Tree and you study some of

1554
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:54,599
Speaker 1: their their tape and stuff like that, it's simple. It's

1555
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:59,200
Speaker 1: really not an overly complex scheme. It's got maybe three

1556
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:01,960
Speaker 1: or four route combinations that they really stick to, especially

1557
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:04,519
Speaker 1: to their under center stuff. And it's wide zone left,

1558
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:08,320
Speaker 1: it's wide zone right. It's a little bit of inside

1559
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:10,839
Speaker 1: zone sprinkled in just to keep the defense off balance.

1560
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:13,640
Speaker 1: But for the most part, you're you could have you know,

1561
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:16,360
Speaker 1: Sean McVay probably has a playsheet that's ten plays long

1562
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 1: in some weeks, you know, some installs. So for the

1563
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:22,160
Speaker 1: most part, I think that the simplification, and this is

1564
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:25,759
Speaker 1: what Belichick was talking about during minicamp, the streamlined version

1565
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:28,560
Speaker 1: of this offense. I think that's number one is that

1566
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:31,720
Speaker 1: they're trying to make things easier to digest. And you

1567
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:34,479
Speaker 1: look at somebody like Tae Kwon Thorton, who has had

1568
01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:37,559
Speaker 1: a nice start to training camp here. You look at

1569
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:39,719
Speaker 1: him and you say, okay, well, how can we develop

1570
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:43,280
Speaker 1: receivers better, how can we integrate young receivers better, and

1571
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:46,600
Speaker 1: maybe getting into more simplified air when it comes to terminology,

1572
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:49,439
Speaker 1: when it comes to route concepts will help guys like

1573
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:52,880
Speaker 1: Tae Kwon Thorton, DeVante Parker, you know, newcomers to this

1574
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:56,519
Speaker 1: system pick it up a little bit quicker. That's I

1575
01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:59,559
Speaker 1: think the number one thing you know, you mentioned sort

1576
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:02,080
Speaker 1: of they're seeing a lot of the zone concepts out

1577
01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 1: at practice. I also have noticed that when they run

1578
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:08,200
Speaker 1: to the left side, which is Cole Strange side and

1579
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:11,360
Speaker 1: Trent Brown side, they are a little bit more successful

1580
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 1: though when they run to the right side. And I

1581
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:15,680
Speaker 1: wonder how much that has to do with okay on

1582
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:17,840
Speaker 1: when he was three hundred and twenty five pounds and

1583
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 1: you're asking him to step out and get out on

1584
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 1: the perimeter, whereas Cole Strange is drafted because he's a

1585
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:26,519
Speaker 1: super athlete and that's what he does. You know, there's

1586
01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:27,880
Speaker 1: a little bit of that as well, where I think

1587
01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:30,000
Speaker 1: they're a little bit better running left right. Well, it's

1588
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:31,680
Speaker 1: an interesting point because we have just brought up on

1589
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 1: the menu earlier and you know, handbrake getting a little

1590
01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 1: run with some of those guys and pulling them when

1591
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:37,680
Speaker 1: you out, and we were kind of speculating, do you

1592
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 1: think maybe so you know, not yet to speculate, but

1593
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:44,799
Speaker 1: perhaps they're saying, on one you might be a casualty

1594
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:47,760
Speaker 1: of this switch, and we need to get somebody who

1595
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,080
Speaker 1: can move a little bit better, you know, maybe will Sherman.

1596
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:52,840
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know how. You know, he's been

1597
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:55,439
Speaker 1: kind of up and down. I think I've seemed to

1598
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 1: be called seeing a couple couple laps by him, but

1599
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:04,519
Speaker 1: to see you put your piece up to h We'll

1600
01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:07,560
Speaker 1: struggle here, uh in the early days of camp. But

1601
01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:09,800
Speaker 1: you know, if it is so simple, then why is

1602
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 1: it so hard to get? That's what I'm trying to

1603
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:15,320
Speaker 1: figure out. If it's if it's streamlined and it's supposed

1604
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:18,840
Speaker 1: to be easy, like why where's the disconnect? Like is

1605
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:21,600
Speaker 1: it the musical chairs? Is it the new pieces? And

1606
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:23,400
Speaker 1: how important is it in sync too? And moving the

1607
01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 1: line and having all the line is one, because I

1608
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:27,120
Speaker 1: feel like that's a key part of this, of all

1609
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:29,439
Speaker 1: the line moving is one and being able, you know,

1610
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:31,599
Speaker 1: to pick up guys and I mean you go back

1611
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:33,640
Speaker 1: to Denver. I mean they were the ones that you know,

1612
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:35,639
Speaker 1: been running this thing forever and just seem to plug

1613
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:37,760
Speaker 1: back after back after back in that had you know,

1614
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:40,560
Speaker 1: a thousand yard plus seasons. Mike Anderson being one of

1615
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:42,599
Speaker 1: a couple of fat guys that ran. We had good

1616
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:46,240
Speaker 1: seasons there here and there, but um, you know, at

1617
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 1: some point it's it's it's got to start to turn

1618
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:50,640
Speaker 1: around a little bit. But I also wonder, you know,

1619
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:53,800
Speaker 1: matt Mattie p talking about oh, as a defensive coach,

1620
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:56,760
Speaker 1: I know the things that gave us problems and you know,

1621
01:14:56,840 --> 01:15:00,320
Speaker 1: famously Patriots performance against the Sean McVay offense in the

1622
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:02,160
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. We're able to you know, hold them to

1623
01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:05,880
Speaker 1: three points. You know, how do those two things marry up,

1624
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 1: you know, in terms of how Belichick and the Patriots

1625
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:11,080
Speaker 1: offense or defense we're able to stifle that attack, you know,

1626
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:13,559
Speaker 1: to the point now which again, this doesn't all settle

1627
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 1: well for me because it just doesn't doesn't sound like

1628
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:18,400
Speaker 1: something Bill Belichick would do, like all of a sudden,

1629
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 1: go all right, we got to go to this other

1630
01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:23,320
Speaker 1: zone run scheme that's been around forever that you know,

1631
01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:25,720
Speaker 1: I've never really you know, I have never been a

1632
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:27,280
Speaker 1: part of that tree or anything like that, and now

1633
01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:29,120
Speaker 1: we're going to do it, Like is it just to

1634
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:31,640
Speaker 1: keep it simple, is do you think that that you know,

1635
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:33,880
Speaker 1: do you think those that the backs that they have

1636
01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 1: right now can be effective in that scheme? Well, I

1637
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:41,719
Speaker 1: think the main thing to answer your question is up front,

1638
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:44,439
Speaker 1: there's a lot of breakdowns that are going on right now.

1639
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 1: And I mean I was charting eleven on eleven in

1640
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:49,920
Speaker 1: passing drills for the most part at the end there,

1641
01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:53,599
Speaker 1: and I wrote down three or four times unblocked defender

1642
01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:56,960
Speaker 1: right through the line, right, And that is not about

1643
01:15:57,240 --> 01:16:00,360
Speaker 1: physical breakdowns, right, It's not like Coal Strane or Trent

1644
01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:03,840
Speaker 1: Brown or David Andrews just can't block the guy lined

1645
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:07,480
Speaker 1: up across from that's gonna happen, you know, right, it's miscommunication.

1646
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:10,000
Speaker 1: I wrote him my piece. You know, Matthew Judon, he

1647
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:12,439
Speaker 1: got around Trent Brown on one play. He's a pro bowler,

1648
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:15,120
Speaker 1: like he's gonna get around people sometimes, right, that's gonna happen.

1649
01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:17,639
Speaker 1: Christian Barmore is a game record. He's going to wreck

1650
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:19,799
Speaker 1: the game every once in a while. But the problem

1651
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:22,240
Speaker 1: is is when you write, you know, ninety four unblocked

1652
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 1: off the left side bats a pass down, that's Henry Anderson,

1653
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:27,920
Speaker 1: Juwan Bentley off the left side again, unblocked right to

1654
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:30,240
Speaker 1: the quarterback, and then macoes and he runs around and

1655
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:32,439
Speaker 1: acts like he scored a touchdown when Jowan Bentley was

1656
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:35,479
Speaker 1: gonna light him up. The crowd, yeah, yeah, the crowd things.

1657
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:39,679
Speaker 1: Biggest crowd reaction of the day was a sack. Yeah, yeah,

1658
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:42,439
Speaker 1: you know those had no idea that it was a sack, right,

1659
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:45,799
Speaker 1: those types of plays. A big thing with this outside

1660
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:49,080
Speaker 1: zone running game is those interior combination blocks where you

1661
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:51,680
Speaker 1: have to work up to the second level. That's a dance, right,

1662
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:54,280
Speaker 1: the rhythm of it, it's it's a real rhythmic thing

1663
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:57,880
Speaker 1: where the running backs and the combo blocks need to

1664
01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:00,519
Speaker 1: sync up so that the back is cutting exactly when

1665
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:03,320
Speaker 1: the combo block is coming off, and those types of things,

1666
01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:05,599
Speaker 1: and the timing needs to be down. So we saw

1667
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:08,720
Speaker 1: today ray Kua McMillan shoot the gap and he just

1668
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:11,080
Speaker 1: got through for a tackle for loss on Damien Harris

1669
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:14,960
Speaker 1: almost instantly. Yeah, And those are the types of players

1670
01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:18,080
Speaker 1: that the communication not seeing it through the same set

1671
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:20,559
Speaker 1: of eyes, and Max said it after practice, we got

1672
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 1: to put it up on the board, We got to

1673
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:24,400
Speaker 1: watch the play, and we got to say to ourselves,

1674
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:27,600
Speaker 1: all right, this guy came through unblocked, what do we

1675
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:29,519
Speaker 1: do about it? And those are some of the problem

1676
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:32,040
Speaker 1: solving things that I think they're doing probably right now

1677
01:17:32,360 --> 01:17:34,160
Speaker 1: as we sit here and record the podcast. What do

1678
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:38,479
Speaker 1: you go ahead? I just I'm I just keep going

1679
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:43,240
Speaker 1: back to the like math conversation, and just like calculus

1680
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:46,880
Speaker 1: is the same, like the same, and so if three

1681
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:51,439
Speaker 1: people are teaching the same offense, you can teach it differently.

1682
01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:55,599
Speaker 1: So that's where I'm like, can I have a question

1683
01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 1: about It's been an hour and eighteen minutes and night

1684
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:03,720
Speaker 1: haven't really mentioned, you know, the offensive coordinator situation, And

1685
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:07,320
Speaker 1: I personally think and Freddie and I have bickered about this,

1686
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:10,160
Speaker 1: because that's what fred and I do, We bicker. But

1687
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:16,000
Speaker 1: I wonder, to your point, Tamara, if this whole quote

1688
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:19,960
Speaker 1: unquote change streamlining, whatever you want to call it, was

1689
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:22,120
Speaker 1: because they don't have anybody to implement what they were doing.

1690
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 1: You know, Josh Mtels has been around forever, and all

1691
01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:28,240
Speaker 1: of the coaches that were really a part of that

1692
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:32,280
Speaker 1: system have never coached that system. And I know Matt

1693
01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:34,040
Speaker 1: Patricia has been around for a long time, but the

1694
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:37,320
Speaker 1: vast majority of his experience has been on defense, Joe

1695
01:18:37,400 --> 01:18:40,799
Speaker 1: Judge special teams. So those were your two best options

1696
01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:43,479
Speaker 1: and you decided to do it. I still think that's

1697
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:45,960
Speaker 1: the reason why we saw Ivan Fears here every day

1698
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:48,320
Speaker 1: in the spring is because he was here for one

1699
01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:50,720
Speaker 1: reason and one reason only, and that was to help

1700
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 1: acclimate those two guys, Judge and Patricia into some of

1701
01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:57,760
Speaker 1: the Patriots offensive concepts. That's why I don't think this

1702
01:18:57,920 --> 01:19:00,679
Speaker 1: is just a widespread Hey, take that old playbook, Evan,

1703
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:03,240
Speaker 1: row it away, and here's the new one we're gonna do.

1704
01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:05,800
Speaker 1: I think it is a streamlining. I don't think it's

1705
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:07,600
Speaker 1: a complete overhaul. I think they're trying to do some

1706
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:11,439
Speaker 1: things differently that maybe Judge and Patricia do have some

1707
01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:14,800
Speaker 1: background in to make it easier for them. And I

1708
01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 1: do think part of it was is for Mac, because

1709
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:20,320
Speaker 1: I do think Mac, like like Evan talked about, with

1710
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:23,720
Speaker 1: the spread, you know, getting in the shotgun, maybe doing

1711
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:27,040
Speaker 1: some RPO stuff, some you know, some things that are

1712
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 1: he was a little bit more comfortable with, admittedly with

1713
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:33,160
Speaker 1: dynamic athletes all around him at Alabama that he does

1714
01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:35,880
Speaker 1: not have now. But that might be part of it too.

1715
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:38,680
Speaker 1: But I feel like if if Josh McDaniels were still here,

1716
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:40,960
Speaker 1: I don't think we'd be talking about we need to

1717
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:44,639
Speaker 1: streamline this for Mac and the rest of them. Yeah,

1718
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:46,840
Speaker 1: I think this was for the coaches. Yeah, that was

1719
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:48,240
Speaker 1: sort of what I was getting out, and I said,

1720
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:52,160
Speaker 1: it's simplified. I don't think it's simplified necessarily for the players,

1721
01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:54,040
Speaker 1: especially not for mac Jones, because I think that he's

1722
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:56,000
Speaker 1: got a great grasp of football and it could probably

1723
01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:58,040
Speaker 1: to just have had anything. When I was watching practice

1724
01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:00,880
Speaker 1: today and watching guys come through blocked and things like that,

1725
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:02,760
Speaker 1: all I could think about was where the heck is

1726
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:04,960
Speaker 1: Dote Scarneckia and can we just like get him in

1727
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:06,320
Speaker 1: here for a couple of weeks through the rest of

1728
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:10,240
Speaker 1: training camp, because I could see Scar just ripping them

1729
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:13,120
Speaker 1: a new one right now, I'm going to pick at

1730
01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:16,559
Speaker 1: now for the next month. Maybe if your defense are coordinated,

1731
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:18,680
Speaker 1: I didn't have to coach the offensive line. You'd be

1732
01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:20,479
Speaker 1: able to keep the defensive linement out of the back.

1733
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:23,479
Speaker 1: I know he's happy in retirement, and he deserves to retire,

1734
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:25,880
Speaker 1: and I don't I don't actually want him to come back,

1735
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:28,559
Speaker 1: because he's done enough for this Organization's not coming back.

1736
01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:30,799
Speaker 1: But I mean, that was the one thought that crossed

1737
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:33,360
Speaker 1: my mind for sure during practice today. It was just like,

1738
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:37,360
Speaker 1: man if if Scar saw the schemes that they were

1739
01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:40,439
Speaker 1: running and how they were running them, I mean, it

1740
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:42,720
Speaker 1: must drive them crazy that they're not pulling guards and

1741
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:45,960
Speaker 1: having fullbacks anymore. Like that's he's old school, right, and

1742
01:20:46,200 --> 01:20:48,200
Speaker 1: this type of stuff that they're doing now, I think

1743
01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:50,680
Speaker 1: would really he would be like, what are we doing? Bill?

1744
01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:52,600
Speaker 1: Tell you one thing, knock on Wood, but you know

1745
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:54,800
Speaker 1: we're talking about we got to figure out how to

1746
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:57,240
Speaker 1: get the offense on track six days into camp. Look,

1747
01:20:57,400 --> 01:20:59,479
Speaker 1: you're looking on Twitter around the league. Guy should get

1748
01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:03,400
Speaker 1: like Tim Patrick for Broncos carted off the field during

1749
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:06,840
Speaker 1: today's practice. Ryan Jensen, the Pro Bowl center for the Bucks,

1750
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:09,320
Speaker 1: looks like he's going to be out long term. Jordan Poyer,

1751
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:12,560
Speaker 1: you know, all pro safety for Buffalo, last play of

1752
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:16,000
Speaker 1: practice left getting an MRI on his elbow. Looked like

1753
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:19,040
Speaker 1: a serious injury. I think they're already lost Micah Hide

1754
01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:21,360
Speaker 1: for a little while, right, So it could be a

1755
01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:23,240
Speaker 1: lot worse. They could. We could be talking about how

1756
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:25,640
Speaker 1: are they going to replace you know, some of these

1757
01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:27,000
Speaker 1: guys that we think are going to be a big

1758
01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:29,400
Speaker 1: part of the equation, and you know, knock on Wood.

1759
01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 1: So far none of that. I guess Tim Patrick had

1760
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:35,160
Speaker 1: to be carted off too. So yeah, and the forty

1761
01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:38,800
Speaker 1: nine ers who I've seen like double digit interceptions by

1762
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:41,760
Speaker 1: Trey Lance h Well, then you know the question that

1763
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:44,360
Speaker 1: pops into mind. My mind though, is and and Fred

1764
01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:47,320
Speaker 1: Fred says this all the time. You know, last year

1765
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:50,600
Speaker 1: team said the Patriots were easy to defend. Is simplifying

1766
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:53,759
Speaker 1: your offense gonna make it harder to defend or easier

1767
01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:56,800
Speaker 1: to execute for you, and therefore harder to defend. You know,

1768
01:21:56,880 --> 01:21:59,040
Speaker 1: It's like, well, if everybody knows what you're doing now,

1769
01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:01,400
Speaker 1: and I can smake harder if this is another one

1770
01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:04,360
Speaker 1: that I pick. The reason your reason to defend is

1771
01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:06,519
Speaker 1: because you don't have dynamic players like I don't care

1772
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:08,760
Speaker 1: what your system is, because the only reason why they

1773
01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:11,479
Speaker 1: ever made plays last year to me is when they

1774
01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:15,160
Speaker 1: completely tricked the opponent. So you can scheme up and

1775
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:18,439
Speaker 1: get anybody open. But if you can't just consistently line

1776
01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:21,360
Speaker 1: up and win one on one battles, it's gonna be

1777
01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:23,760
Speaker 1: hard to you know, make yourself difficult to defend. I

1778
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:26,120
Speaker 1: don't care what system you're running. I think the one

1779
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:28,800
Speaker 1: thing that I've seen out there that does give me

1780
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:33,640
Speaker 1: some promise and not to hype up the rim too much. Right,

1781
01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:36,840
Speaker 1: but Taykwon Thornton can run. I mean that guy can fly.

1782
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:41,160
Speaker 1: And at this point, that's what you got, right, is

1783
01:22:41,439 --> 01:22:45,320
Speaker 1: I think that we talk about dynamic playmakers. The two

1784
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:47,719
Speaker 1: guys that have really stood out to me throughout camp,

1785
01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:51,000
Speaker 1: even going back to last week, our bar More who

1786
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:53,479
Speaker 1: we've talked a lot about in Taykwon Thornton and his

1787
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:56,360
Speaker 1: speed is you want to come and see speed and

1788
01:22:56,680 --> 01:22:59,200
Speaker 1: see it in person and is it legit? Like is

1789
01:22:59,240 --> 01:23:01,439
Speaker 1: this just a fourteen wait an indie at the combine

1790
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:05,080
Speaker 1: and spandex or is this actually football fast? And he

1791
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:08,519
Speaker 1: is actually football fast. So if they can find ways

1792
01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:11,720
Speaker 1: to get the ball to him down the field, I

1793
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:13,640
Speaker 1: think he's going to be able to separate and I

1794
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:15,720
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be able to take off. But the

1795
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:18,320
Speaker 1: problem is right now, in order to get the guy's

1796
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:19,800
Speaker 1: up field, you got to be able to block him

1797
01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:21,760
Speaker 1: up front for long enough for them to get down there.

1798
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:25,200
Speaker 1: So that's you know, obviously marrying it up. But Taekwon

1799
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:29,280
Speaker 1: Thorton's got legitimate NFL speed, you know, take the top

1800
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:31,400
Speaker 1: off type speed. Yeah, that was we were I mean,

1801
01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:33,160
Speaker 1: we spent a lot of time on him today. I mean,

1802
01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:35,800
Speaker 1: and and for good reason. And I think the question was,

1803
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:37,280
Speaker 1: you know, I think we're like, oh, is he kind

1804
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:39,240
Speaker 1: of a retcher? Year He's gonna be Oh, we'll put

1805
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:40,439
Speaker 1: him out there for a couple of plays, let him

1806
01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:42,120
Speaker 1: run down the field and give the defense something to

1807
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:44,880
Speaker 1: think about, you know, is it? And and I also

1808
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:46,400
Speaker 1: made the point that it feels like it will be

1809
01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:48,000
Speaker 1: easier to say just throw them out there and get

1810
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:50,559
Speaker 1: them really involved if Parker and eglorn't weren't having pretty

1811
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:53,680
Speaker 1: good camp so far. Where do you fall evan on on?

1812
01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:56,639
Speaker 1: How do you get him up to speed? A sap

1813
01:23:56,800 --> 01:23:59,680
Speaker 1: make get that speed into your offense. Let it translate

1814
01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:03,080
Speaker 1: so that you're you finally have these athletes like Paul

1815
01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:05,560
Speaker 1: was talking about, guys that can push the envelope. And

1816
01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:08,360
Speaker 1: and you know my phrase, turn the screws on defenses

1817
01:24:08,360 --> 01:24:11,639
Speaker 1: of like watch watch. I mean, he won't be fifty

1818
01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:14,800
Speaker 1: one of course to the season, but watch fifty one

1819
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:16,600
Speaker 1: on the outside. We know, you know, it's something to

1820
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:20,040
Speaker 1: think about. Yeah, I think at this point it's obviously

1821
01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:22,080
Speaker 1: super early, But I don't know if they can afford

1822
01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:25,200
Speaker 1: to keep him off the field for very long because

1823
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:28,960
Speaker 1: he is by far their most dynamic receiver in terms

1824
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:32,040
Speaker 1: of speed and ability to separate down the field. He's

1825
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:34,439
Speaker 1: got a different level of it than like Nelson aglor does,

1826
01:24:34,479 --> 01:24:37,320
Speaker 1: who's also really fast. So I think you look at

1827
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:39,160
Speaker 1: some of the things that I hope that they do

1828
01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:42,360
Speaker 1: with him. Also don't just involve running in a straight

1829
01:24:42,439 --> 01:24:44,439
Speaker 1: line down the field, right, Maybe he runs in a

1830
01:24:44,479 --> 01:24:46,640
Speaker 1: straight line across the field, or maybe he takes a

1831
01:24:46,720 --> 01:24:49,040
Speaker 1: jet sweeper an end around or something like that and

1832
01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:52,880
Speaker 1: at least provides that horizontal and vertical stretch the defense.

1833
01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:54,880
Speaker 1: I mean, you talked about maybe throwing him out there

1834
01:24:54,920 --> 01:24:57,120
Speaker 1: as a decoy, Like, I'm fine with that. If he's

1835
01:24:57,160 --> 01:24:59,479
Speaker 1: playing fifty percent of the snaps and a lot of

1836
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:01,840
Speaker 1: it is just him taking the safety with him and

1837
01:25:02,240 --> 01:25:05,000
Speaker 1: trying to pull coverage away from other guys like that,

1838
01:25:05,439 --> 01:25:07,840
Speaker 1: there's a very good use of that role as well,

1839
01:25:07,960 --> 01:25:10,600
Speaker 1: So it doesn't necessarily have to come in targets and

1840
01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:13,840
Speaker 1: in production on the box score. If he's just out there,

1841
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:16,879
Speaker 1: I think his speed just affects the way the defense

1842
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:18,960
Speaker 1: has to play. You Now, they just got to figure

1843
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:21,040
Speaker 1: out ways to fill in the intermediate level with the

1844
01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:23,360
Speaker 1: other guys, and all of a sudden, you got some

1845
01:25:23,479 --> 01:25:25,679
Speaker 1: space to work with, which over the last couple of years,

1846
01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:28,240
Speaker 1: that is a big part of what they're trying to do,

1847
01:25:28,760 --> 01:25:31,320
Speaker 1: is everything seemed like it was happening in a phone booth,

1848
01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:33,479
Speaker 1: whether it was the running game or is the passing

1849
01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:35,840
Speaker 1: game you're talking about like a twenty yard box, that

1850
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:39,840
Speaker 1: everything is going on again offensively, and maybe somebody like

1851
01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:42,960
Speaker 1: Taekwon Thornton or even Aglare today hit a throw down

1852
01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:45,800
Speaker 1: the field. DeVante Parker the other day had one down

1853
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:47,880
Speaker 1: the left sideline, So maybe they can stretch the field

1854
01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:50,719
Speaker 1: a little bit more this year. But Tai kwon speed,

1855
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:52,680
Speaker 1: you have to put the safety over the top or

1856
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:55,519
Speaker 1: respect the deep posts or something like that, which why

1857
01:25:55,560 --> 01:25:57,439
Speaker 1: I think they have to find a way to get

1858
01:25:57,560 --> 01:26:00,719
Speaker 1: him active right away and give him some Bethel Johnson

1859
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:02,840
Speaker 1: like chances. They hope that he makes a couple of

1860
01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:07,040
Speaker 1: catches because that will make every defensive coordinator take him

1861
01:26:07,080 --> 01:26:09,080
Speaker 1: into account the rest of the way. Yeah, I mean,

1862
01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:11,360
Speaker 1: I've been impressed. I mean they haven't just been running

1863
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:13,320
Speaker 1: them outside too. They've been running out of the slot plenty.

1864
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:15,160
Speaker 1: He's cut some passes over the middle. Sometimes he's almost

1865
01:26:15,160 --> 01:26:17,120
Speaker 1: gotten light up little bit. I don't need any of that. Well,

1866
01:26:18,360 --> 01:26:20,640
Speaker 1: I think I think he'll break, you know, I think

1867
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:23,000
Speaker 1: he'll break if you try to use him like Dion Branch.

1868
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:25,000
Speaker 1: I don't need that, but it's at least encouraging to

1869
01:26:25,080 --> 01:26:27,280
Speaker 1: think about, you know, just the potential. I mean, everybody

1870
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:29,920
Speaker 1: thinks about out wide receiver going deep, but you know,

1871
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:32,000
Speaker 1: I think having that, you know, seem stretcher and not

1872
01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:34,360
Speaker 1: that you know that that that that's Max's strength, but

1873
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:37,080
Speaker 1: it still gives you something else to think about. Yeah,

1874
01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:41,160
Speaker 1: Born this quiet so far quite so far. We've seen

1875
01:26:41,240 --> 01:26:43,639
Speaker 1: him flash a few times, maybe more than non padded

1876
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:46,160
Speaker 1: practices in the red zone and stuff like that. But

1877
01:26:46,760 --> 01:26:48,479
Speaker 1: I think Thorton in the slot. You know, he's not

1878
01:26:48,520 --> 01:26:50,799
Speaker 1: gonna be Julian Edelman, He's not going to be Wes Welker,

1879
01:26:50,920 --> 01:26:54,360
Speaker 1: but you get that vertical slot element, which if you

1880
01:26:54,439 --> 01:26:58,439
Speaker 1: look at Max Alabama tape him and DeVante Smith, John Mechi,

1881
01:26:58,600 --> 01:27:02,240
Speaker 1: I mean that's where he lived, right, slot fades, things deep,

1882
01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:04,800
Speaker 1: crossing routs or over routes like things like that were

1883
01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:07,400
Speaker 1: his bread and butter at Alabama, and that seems like

1884
01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:10,800
Speaker 1: where Tae Kwon could really thrive. I'm okay with him

1885
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Speaker 1: like that, so maybe he can be that guy again

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Speaker 1: who can kind of just move the chains with Agalore

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Speaker 1: and Thornton and Parker working over the top, and obviously

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Speaker 1: have the tight end, so they got plenty of options.

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Speaker 1: It's just putting it all together that seems to be

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Speaker 1: of the parts. Let's jump to the phones. We got

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Speaker 1: Dan from Virginia, Michigan. Hey Dan, what's going on? Hey guys.

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Speaker 1: First off, I just want to say big welcome to

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Speaker 1: Evan and say it's great to see you on the

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Speaker 1: Greatest Patriots Podcast. I know who this is. Thank you

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Speaker 1: very much, Thank you. There are rankings. I know everyone

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Speaker 1: the rankings said that you're third, but there are rankings

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Speaker 1: in their reality, so you know, we all know the

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Speaker 1: pu ransum with regards to Camp and Belichick's um tendency

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Speaker 1: to draft unorthodox players and put them in places we

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Speaker 1: weren't expecting. Do you think when you when you're evaluating

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Speaker 1: Patriots camps that you have to eva that you evaluate

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Speaker 1: the context, like who the players are playing with and

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Speaker 1: who they're being talked to by the coaches and so forth,

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Speaker 1: more than people watching other teams going through training cramp camps.

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Speaker 1: Or is that just you think it's part of the course.

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Speaker 1: Should I follow? I'm much sure I follow, which you mean, like,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think I personally I always take the

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Speaker 1: context in of who's kind of in there. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it certainly pings the radar when you see a guy

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Speaker 1: like Arlington, Handbrake go in and Michael and when you

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Speaker 1: come out. There's a lot of rotation going on though,

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Speaker 1: so you know it might be Parker born in Agalore

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Speaker 1: one series, and then you know they'll put Nixon and

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Speaker 1: you know other guys in there. There'll be too tight end.

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Speaker 1: So um, but I do I think I'm guilty of

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Speaker 1: tending to zone out when there's like all the backups

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Speaker 1: are in and you're kind of like, all right, I

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Speaker 1: need a break, or when they start special teams. So

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Speaker 1: do I go to get a Gator. Does that what

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Speaker 1: you mean? Does that answer your question? Dan? Yeah? Kind of.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking more about how you know, there are guys

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Speaker 1: that we've seen drafted over the years and we've had

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Speaker 1: great expectations for and look forward to seeing him, and

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Speaker 1: then we see somebody, some other player actually get on

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Speaker 1: the field, more play with the ones, more have more showtime,

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Speaker 1: and so it just seems like the she had talent

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Speaker 1: of a player isn't necessarily what bills looking at as

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Speaker 1: much as perhaps what they looked at on on the teams. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: I mean I think I think the example we had

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Speaker 1: of Hambright and on when you like maybe on when

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Speaker 1: you although a great fit for you know, power run scheme,

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe he's not a great fit for this,

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Speaker 1: so that like you know, I you can see some

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Speaker 1: of that some of that jiggering, and especially on the

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Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball too, where it's I just

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Speaker 1: think they have the ability to go small and fast

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Speaker 1: now and you know, I don't know how effective it's

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Speaker 1: going to be, but you know, between Ucha and mac

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Speaker 1: Wilson and Barmore and even a quality we mentioned who's

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Speaker 1: kind of shown some upfield toughness and some abilities to

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Speaker 1: get after it a little bit like I just think

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Speaker 1: they have a bunch of options. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: it's gonna all come come together. I think about like

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Speaker 1: the two thousand and nine two ten defenses where it

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Speaker 1: was like wholesale changes, where it's like, if it's a rundown,

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Speaker 1: we got these whole eleven guys and then you know,

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Speaker 1: not maybe not eleven, but you know eight nine guys.

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Speaker 1: It's that's how many guys you have to change out.

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Speaker 1: So we'll see. It's just like the offense, it's about

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Speaker 1: finding the combination that that all starts to click. And

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Speaker 1: I think they've got some options, but but they haven't

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Speaker 1: quite started to click yet. Thank you, Dan, appreciate the call. Uh.

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Speaker 1: I think we're gonna take a brief break here at

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Speaker 1: one thirty as we've gone an hour and a half

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Speaker 1: and uh, we need to get a break, some quick

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Speaker 1: break in pay some pay, some pay some bills and

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Speaker 1: and eat some food. Oh all right, we're gonna hold

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Speaker 1: off on the break for just a minute. Oh. I

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Speaker 1: think this gives me when Fred tried to go to break.

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Speaker 1: And then we'll do it live. We'll do a live

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Speaker 1: apparently Pizza times to demand here today at a training camp,

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Speaker 1: Patriots training camp. But uh, let's see, let's check in

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Speaker 1: with alex As. I wanted to check in with you

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Speaker 1: about off the field right now a little, a little.

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Speaker 1: We had some great stuff yesterday about about Bill Russell.

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Speaker 1: I thought, I mean, a legend who had come up

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Speaker 1: on the show a couple of weeks ago randomly, and

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Speaker 1: I was like, he's just a living legend and of

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Speaker 1: course his uh you know, his legacy and everything he

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Speaker 1: did um for Boston, for African American athletes. I mean

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Speaker 1: just you know, he's on the Hall of or the

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Speaker 1: Mount Rushmore Boston Sports. Um. You know, what did you

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Speaker 1: take away yesterday from from some of the players Slater

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Speaker 1: how Bill Russell was just the guy that they kind

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Speaker 1: of looked up to you hear about growing up, and

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Speaker 1: then that they've kind of modeled their off the field

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Speaker 1: behavior after in terms of what both of them are

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Speaker 1: doing in the community community using their platforms, and I

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Speaker 1: So I'm clearly Matthew Slater and mccordy were good students

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Speaker 1: of Bill Russell and really great insightful comments from both

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Speaker 1: of them just about his lasting impact really extending really

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Speaker 1: far beyond basketball and even the city of Boston. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I liked tell. I think it was Slater who said,

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Speaker 1: you know, I wouldn't be here today if it wasn't

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Speaker 1: for Bill Russell. Yeah, And so I was just like

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Speaker 1: thinking about that and thinking about like, like how much

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Speaker 1: power was in that statement, which is like, that's actually

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Speaker 1: So really paving the way and then dealing with a

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Speaker 1: Rogers and fox Borough he Roger Hey Guys. First of all.

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Speaker 1: I think we need to let Megan talk more. You

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Speaker 1: on that show. Okay, well listen another. Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be there's no muzzle on Megan. She can

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Speaker 1: talk anytime she wants. So I heard that Doman is retiring.

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Speaker 1: Does that mean we have a chance for Danny at

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Speaker 1: Link to be able to get him a receiver on

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Speaker 1: this team. Yeah? I don't know about the retiring thing.

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Speaker 1: But Dontrell Imman looks lost in the first three days

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Speaker 1: in practice. Second time, right, he didn't he would late

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Speaker 1: to camp and now he's not out here. Doesn't feels

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Speaker 1: like a guy who Dontrell Imman wasn't late. He was

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Speaker 1: not late to camp. No, there were reports that he

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Speaker 1: field the first three days. No, but I know it.

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Speaker 1: And then you can call him late if you want.

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Speaker 1: But that's okay. But you can come without information and

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Speaker 1: just be a smart all right, all right, thanks Roger,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, You're right. Roger Roger bringing it. That's another

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Speaker 1: great moment from I still don't at how you guys

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Speaker 1: was a lot of noise. Yeah, well we got another

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Speaker 1: special guest. I think I'm the only one that didn't

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Speaker 1: know another special guest, mister Fred Kirsch. Hi, thanks for

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Speaker 1: having me. Welcome to the show. Fred, he's checking in.

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Speaker 1: He got some free time to weigh in. And what

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Speaker 1: do you think, Fred, what you've been hearing? So I

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Speaker 1: was listening and I it's it was a real good conversation,

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Speaker 1: especially when you know, you guys were talking about why

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Speaker 1: why are they making this offensive change? You know, we've

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Speaker 1: established that they are making the change, there's no doubt

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Speaker 1: about it. Players are saying they have you know, you're

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Speaker 1: you're seeing it for yourselves with your own eyes. It's different.

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Speaker 1: Why are they doing it? And I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: Evans answer could be the most simple answer because they

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Speaker 1: want to simplify it. And you know, maybe Bill said,

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Speaker 1: it's not like the offense has been great the last

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Speaker 1: three years, you know, um, And maybe Bill said, you

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Speaker 1: know what, it's time for a fresh start. You know.

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Speaker 1: It's not like Mac is going to be losing, you know,

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Speaker 1: that much by changing it now in his second year.

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Speaker 1: So this is our opportunity with new offensive coaches, to

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Speaker 1: just start on a on a friend end. Maybe he

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Speaker 1: thinks this is what's best, you know, for the talent

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Speaker 1: that he has. But it's a I think it's a

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Speaker 1: valid question. Why why the change? Why the wholesale change?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think there is something to be said

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Speaker 1: for just doing what we do and not overthinking it

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Speaker 1: and just trying to line up and be out physical

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Speaker 1: or out athleticism, if that's even a thing, you know,

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Speaker 1: just to lineup instead of having to be so creative

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Speaker 1: and clever and all the different variations and stuff. Just

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Speaker 1: line up and run the ball. But but when do

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Speaker 1: you start to push the like concern button? Like, I know,

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Speaker 1: we're all Tara had a good point, Okay, So if

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Speaker 1: this is supposed to be a simpler offense, why does

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Speaker 1: it look so disjoint? You know, it doesn't look simple,

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Speaker 1: you know, but it just could be just something new

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Speaker 1: and everyone's just trying to figure it out. But I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think that speaks too to the point of like,

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Speaker 1: is Mac not comfortable right now, Like is Mac not

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Speaker 1: sure what they're doing? Like is it simpler but it's

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Speaker 1: not clicking for him yet? Or you know what? What

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Speaker 1: is that? Like? I just I just go back to

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Speaker 1: the core of it has to be about Mac Jones

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Speaker 1: and he has to If he's not comfortable and he

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Speaker 1: doesn't look like he likes it, then then what are

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Speaker 1: we doing here? What are we doing? You know? Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean in the practices that I saw, Like I

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Speaker 1: didn't see today or yesterday, so I can't speak to

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Speaker 1: what you guys, But the ones that I saw, it

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Speaker 1: wasn't just the running game that looked disjoint. And I

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Speaker 1: mean they weren't completing passes, you know, both he and

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Speaker 1: Zappy were you know, pulling the ball down and extending plays.

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Speaker 1: You know, that wasn't how the play was supposed to go.

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Speaker 1: So it's not just the running game that hasn't looked

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Speaker 1: good so far. Well, let's jump over to the phones

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Speaker 1: right now and go to Mark and Bolton. Mark, you're on,

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Speaker 1: hey guy there. Originally originally going to talk to you

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Speaker 1: about the sort of like like some bubble players that

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Speaker 1: that I think are going to make it. But this

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Speaker 1: Brady Dolphins in fraction has really sort of caught me

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Speaker 1: off guards. Um, it fears to me that you know,

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Speaker 1: Brady was acting in bad face and Bob Kraft and

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Speaker 1: Belichick were not of the same knowledge of Brady being

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Speaker 1: having a landing spot with the dolphin. Yeah, and I'm

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Speaker 1: wondering if the NFL is going to step in and

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Speaker 1: provide compensation to the Patriots. I don't, I mean to

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Speaker 1: the Patriots could luck. I don't think that'll happen. But no, well,

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Speaker 1: I mean I think Brady could get in trouble. I

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Speaker 1: think Brady could get suspended. I think Brady should get

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Speaker 1: suspended personally. Well, I don't see how the Patriots are.

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Speaker 1: What was the last game of two regular season game

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Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen they lost to the field advantage. Well, well,

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Speaker 1: so you know, here's here's here's the other part of this.

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Speaker 1: And you can scoff, And I'm not going to argue

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Speaker 1: with you if you do. Scoff. They went to Great

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Speaker 1: Lens to say that they didn't find any evidence of

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Speaker 1: the tanking that supposedly took place for Miami, right right,

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Speaker 1: So that's not my point though. No, No, I'm addressing

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Speaker 1: a side point to Fred like Tom Brady was a

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Speaker 1: free agent who the Patriots didn't want, so they're not

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Speaker 1: getting anything out of this. The Patriots didn't extend him

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Speaker 1: an offer. He had the whole arrangement where he couldn't

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Speaker 1: get franchise. He wasn't going to stay here. So like

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Speaker 1: that whole part of it, to me is is a

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01:47:33,080 --> 01:47:36,600
Speaker 1: nothing burger. But Brady openly talking to another team, I

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01:47:36,680 --> 01:47:38,240
Speaker 1: think Brady should be in trouble for that. But I

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01:47:38,360 --> 01:47:41,599
Speaker 1: think I think the thing is but so your last game,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's almost like Parcel's last game, the Super Bowl?

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Speaker 1: Where was his mind a hundred percent on his current team? Yeah,

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01:47:50,400 --> 01:47:52,880
Speaker 1: I think it's a fair question to ask. You think

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01:47:52,920 --> 01:47:54,519
Speaker 1: you can ask it, But I don't think there's any

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01:47:54,560 --> 01:47:56,920
Speaker 1: evidence that it wasn't. That's all. Oh, oh, you mean

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01:47:57,000 --> 01:48:00,200
Speaker 1: the twenty five calls to the Jets is an evidence? No,

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01:48:00,240 --> 01:48:02,240
Speaker 1: I know, But I think I think Bill Parcels is

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01:48:02,280 --> 01:48:04,840
Speaker 1: one of the biggest eagle maniaccers ever coached the football game.

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01:48:05,240 --> 01:48:07,439
Speaker 1: I think he'd rather have had another Super Bowl title

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01:48:07,560 --> 01:48:10,000
Speaker 1: to his under his belt and anything. I don't doubt that.

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01:48:10,080 --> 01:48:15,600
Speaker 1: I'm saying maybe maybe his attention was somewhat divided but

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01:48:15,800 --> 01:48:18,679
Speaker 1: also Bob Kraft was I mean, is it not true

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01:48:18,720 --> 01:48:22,160
Speaker 1: that Bob Kraft, when Brady called him and came over

2293
01:48:22,280 --> 01:48:25,439
Speaker 1: to his house, he was expecting Brady to come back.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if that's what, if that was Bob Kraft's

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Speaker 1: frame of mind because he wasn't he wasn't privy to

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Speaker 1: the information that Brady could have a soft landing spot

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Speaker 1: in Miami, then that's so. Yeah. I don't agree with so, Mark,

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01:48:40,400 --> 01:48:42,560
Speaker 1: you don't think that Brady was pretty comfortable that he

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01:48:42,680 --> 01:48:45,280
Speaker 1: was going to get a job, Like, let's just say,

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Speaker 1: for documents sake, he didn't talk to anybody. Do you

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01:48:47,760 --> 01:48:54,800
Speaker 1: think that changes anything for Brady's mindset entering free agency? Um? Yeah,

2302
01:48:55,080 --> 01:48:57,680
Speaker 1: I mean I do. I do? Well, Well, listen, So

2303
01:48:57,800 --> 01:49:00,400
Speaker 1: you think that Brady would have entered free agency having

2304
01:49:00,479 --> 01:49:03,200
Speaker 1: no idea if anybody would be interested in acquiring the

2305
01:49:03,320 --> 01:49:06,360
Speaker 1: services of the greatest player who's ever played the sport now?

2306
01:49:06,560 --> 01:49:09,800
Speaker 1: And I also think what regardless of that, I also

2307
01:49:09,880 --> 01:49:12,400
Speaker 1: think that by the time he went to Robert Kraft's house,

2308
01:49:12,640 --> 01:49:14,720
Speaker 1: you know that we read about and Jeff Benedict's had

2309
01:49:14,800 --> 01:49:18,240
Speaker 1: it was over. Yeah. I don't think that. I A

2310
01:49:18,400 --> 01:49:22,639
Speaker 1: disagree caller where mister Kraft thought he was gonna get

2311
01:49:22,760 --> 01:49:25,000
Speaker 1: Brady back at that meeting. I think that was a

2312
01:49:25,080 --> 01:49:26,720
Speaker 1: good bye meeting. But but I think it's a fair

2313
01:49:26,800 --> 01:49:29,120
Speaker 1: question of do you think that Belichick and Craft are

2314
01:49:29,360 --> 01:49:34,280
Speaker 1: upset that Tom Brady was talking to the dogs? I

2315
01:49:34,360 --> 01:49:36,479
Speaker 1: think that's a whole different argument. This is where I

2316
01:49:36,520 --> 01:49:40,400
Speaker 1: think you get into tanking because was Tom Brady like saying,

2317
01:49:41,000 --> 01:49:43,120
Speaker 1: I might be in Miami next year, I don't help

2318
01:49:43,160 --> 01:49:46,080
Speaker 1: them win? I mean, no, obviously we know that didn't happen.

2319
01:49:46,360 --> 01:49:48,519
Speaker 1: But that's where I think the tanking comes into it.

2320
01:49:49,080 --> 01:49:51,680
Speaker 1: What was Miami's real goal here? But to me, the

2321
01:49:51,800 --> 01:49:54,840
Speaker 1: tanking and the tampering are separate things. I do I think,

2322
01:49:54,880 --> 01:49:58,360
Speaker 1: so separate things, right, Yeah, but why wasn't Miami more

2323
01:49:58,400 --> 01:50:00,560
Speaker 1: in the mix? Then? Yeah, like why didn't Brady go

2324
01:50:00,640 --> 01:50:02,800
Speaker 1: sign in Miami because of the Florest thing? Might have

2325
01:50:02,840 --> 01:50:05,640
Speaker 1: blown that up, that's what they're saying. The timing of

2326
01:50:05,720 --> 01:50:09,400
Speaker 1: the Florest thing might have kind of Brady kind of

2327
01:50:09,479 --> 01:50:11,560
Speaker 1: cooled his heels on that whole thing. Could be. But

2328
01:50:11,640 --> 01:50:17,200
Speaker 1: if they started talks, as this investigation alleges, in August

2329
01:50:17,280 --> 01:50:21,439
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, that's way before. That's it. But it never

2330
01:50:21,560 --> 01:50:24,840
Speaker 1: came to fruition because the Florist thing through a wrench

2331
01:50:24,880 --> 01:50:28,479
Speaker 1: in the gears. Yeah, the florist thing was happening at

2332
01:50:28,520 --> 01:50:33,479
Speaker 1: the time. Yeah, supposedly, right. They remember they asked, so

2333
01:50:33,560 --> 01:50:37,720
Speaker 1: they asked to talk to him and said no, right,

2334
01:50:37,800 --> 01:50:40,559
Speaker 1: and that's tampering, and that, to me is probably why

2335
01:50:40,760 --> 01:50:44,280
Speaker 1: he ended up not going to Miami because Flores expressed

2336
01:50:44,920 --> 01:50:47,600
Speaker 1: And remember when this first came out, the league was

2337
01:50:47,680 --> 01:50:51,760
Speaker 1: so quick to say, none of this has merit. No,

2338
01:50:53,320 --> 01:50:55,479
Speaker 1: I'm not going to argue because it's not really that important.

2339
01:50:56,000 --> 01:50:59,840
Speaker 1: They said there's no merit to the hiring. Um there was.

2340
01:51:00,080 --> 01:51:02,280
Speaker 1: There's two separate I think the whole thing. I think

2341
01:51:02,320 --> 01:51:05,639
Speaker 1: that the original thing that came out was about Flora's

2342
01:51:05,640 --> 01:51:12,400
Speaker 1: alleging that the hiring practices were racist, yea, and that

2343
01:51:12,600 --> 01:51:16,040
Speaker 1: it was merrit. And I think that's what the now listen.

2344
01:51:16,040 --> 01:51:18,040
Speaker 1: I think they're wrong about that too. Yeah, I'm not.

2345
01:51:18,240 --> 01:51:20,760
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think these two things, but you don't

2346
01:51:20,880 --> 01:51:23,160
Speaker 1: say that point. They I thought they had everything, it

2347
01:51:23,280 --> 01:51:25,160
Speaker 1: just hadn't been released yet, and they were saying the

2348
01:51:25,200 --> 01:51:26,720
Speaker 1: whole thing, but you might be right, and then it

2349
01:51:26,800 --> 01:51:29,759
Speaker 1: all came out and then they remember immediately within twenty

2350
01:51:29,800 --> 01:51:32,080
Speaker 1: four hours, they had a different statement that said, we're

2351
01:51:32,120 --> 01:51:34,840
Speaker 1: going to be conducting the full investigation. Remember, but I

2352
01:51:34,920 --> 01:51:37,639
Speaker 1: think there was more information that came out. I thought

2353
01:51:37,680 --> 01:51:40,320
Speaker 1: they had it all started out. Your point, Freddy, they

2354
01:51:40,400 --> 01:51:42,639
Speaker 1: may have already had all the information and we're hoping

2355
01:51:42,720 --> 01:51:45,000
Speaker 1: that for the yellow part didn't get you know, uncovered.

2356
01:51:45,080 --> 01:51:47,679
Speaker 1: Let's face it, your boy, rog I know you guys

2357
01:51:47,720 --> 01:51:51,439
Speaker 1: are tightened everything. Not exactly the most stuff, but you

2358
01:51:51,520 --> 01:51:54,720
Speaker 1: know they they've suspended out there. They suspended the owner

2359
01:51:54,800 --> 01:51:56,560
Speaker 1: until October. I don't even I don't know what that

2360
01:51:57,479 --> 01:52:00,240
Speaker 1: but yeah, like you can't call plays anymore, Like what

2361
01:52:00,320 --> 01:52:02,439
Speaker 1: does that mean he's not running the offense? Takes bar

2362
01:52:02,520 --> 01:52:07,040
Speaker 1: for bringing that one up, certainly, no listen it. But

2363
01:52:07,120 --> 01:52:09,280
Speaker 1: what is the Brady's response, Like what is the community?

2364
01:52:09,320 --> 01:52:11,320
Speaker 1: You know, I love Brady saying you know, I love

2365
01:52:11,360 --> 01:52:13,040
Speaker 1: Tom Brady saying to them like, let me just get

2366
01:52:13,040 --> 01:52:15,200
Speaker 1: through this twenty nineteen season, then we'll figure it out. Like,

2367
01:52:15,400 --> 01:52:17,639
Speaker 1: you know, I love Tom Brady, but I'm a little

2368
01:52:17,760 --> 01:52:20,599
Speaker 1: upset here. I am. I mean because obviously the burden

2369
01:52:20,760 --> 01:52:24,160
Speaker 1: of the guilt is on the Tamperer, but the Tamparee

2370
01:52:24,880 --> 01:52:28,479
Speaker 1: should have Sun. It wasn't just one call, it was several,

2371
01:52:28,760 --> 01:52:32,439
Speaker 1: and you picked up the phone every time, supposedly allegedly, right,

2372
01:52:32,560 --> 01:52:34,720
Speaker 1: and especially when we're dealing with the most miserable nine

2373
01:52:34,760 --> 01:52:36,519
Speaker 1: and old quarterback in the league or whatever it was

2374
01:52:36,600 --> 01:52:38,760
Speaker 1: before they played the Ravens that year, Like, you know,

2375
01:52:38,880 --> 01:52:40,800
Speaker 1: that's just what's frustrating. It's like we had to deal

2376
01:52:40,880 --> 01:52:45,519
Speaker 1: with the whole thing back to Mike was right, Mike

2377
01:52:45,640 --> 01:52:48,560
Speaker 1: couldn't wait to get rid of the great How do

2378
01:52:48,640 --> 01:52:51,599
Speaker 1: you feel now? Listen, he had it, he had it first. Listen,

2379
01:52:51,680 --> 01:52:55,240
Speaker 1: you know, like the the the draw of being a

2380
01:52:55,400 --> 01:52:58,840
Speaker 1: part owner of an NFL team. I mean, okay, I'd

2381
01:52:58,920 --> 01:53:00,719
Speaker 1: listen to that too, still have the Jews. You should

2382
01:53:00,720 --> 01:53:04,040
Speaker 1: wait until you're a free agent, you know. Yeah, Well,

2383
01:53:04,160 --> 01:53:06,720
Speaker 1: I'm curious what else what else comes out about it,

2384
01:53:06,760 --> 01:53:08,920
Speaker 1: because I mean, how did they I'm sure they didn't

2385
01:53:08,960 --> 01:53:10,600
Speaker 1: just get the minami side of things right, Like, I mean,

2386
01:53:10,640 --> 01:53:13,639
Speaker 1: they must have gotten what the communications were to some extent,

2387
01:53:13,720 --> 01:53:16,680
Speaker 1: so you know process. And then also how are the

2388
01:53:16,760 --> 01:53:19,600
Speaker 1: Saints like involved with Sean Payton retiring and like what

2389
01:53:19,760 --> 01:53:22,000
Speaker 1: he have? Were they hired from the Saints? Had the

2390
01:53:22,680 --> 01:53:26,120
Speaker 1: whole plan circus going in August to twenty nineteen. Apparently

2391
01:53:26,320 --> 01:53:28,080
Speaker 1: that's when they started to put their plan into place

2392
01:53:28,120 --> 01:53:30,200
Speaker 1: of how they were going to get Tom Brady. And

2393
01:53:30,360 --> 01:53:32,280
Speaker 1: but that didn't have anything to do with Sean Payton

2394
01:53:32,280 --> 01:53:34,800
Speaker 1: now not yet. It's fine Floors had just gotten hired.

2395
01:53:35,600 --> 01:53:38,280
Speaker 1: So before he ever coach the game, you your plan

2396
01:53:38,479 --> 01:53:41,519
Speaker 1: was to have Sean pat after training camp. That tampering

2397
01:53:41,560 --> 01:53:45,040
Speaker 1: took place this year, just covering the team in twenty nineteen.

2398
01:53:45,080 --> 01:53:48,920
Speaker 1: With Brady, though, the most the happiest he was was

2399
01:53:48,960 --> 01:53:52,559
Speaker 1: after that Titans game. Honestly, like he was absolutely relieved

2400
01:53:52,720 --> 01:53:55,559
Speaker 1: that that season was over. I mean every single postgame

2401
01:53:55,600 --> 01:54:00,439
Speaker 1: press conference winner lose. The misery on his face was palpable.

2402
01:54:00,479 --> 01:54:01,960
Speaker 1: I mean you could just feel it in the room.

2403
01:54:02,400 --> 01:54:06,480
Speaker 1: I remember, in particular, they beat the Eagles in Philadelphia

2404
01:54:06,640 --> 01:54:11,240
Speaker 1: in the offense that played terrible that one. Yeah, but

2405
01:54:11,640 --> 01:54:15,960
Speaker 1: but I have never seen anybody that upset after I

2406
01:54:16,040 --> 01:54:17,960
Speaker 1: get the office. Didn't play well. They you know, Brady,

2407
01:54:19,320 --> 01:54:21,960
Speaker 1: but you know you still won the game. And usually

2408
01:54:22,040 --> 01:54:24,599
Speaker 1: the mantra around here is, well, we'll fix it, we'll

2409
01:54:24,640 --> 01:54:26,439
Speaker 1: correct it, but at least we got the win. At

2410
01:54:26,479 --> 01:54:28,280
Speaker 1: least we can hang our hat on that, but he

2411
01:54:28,520 --> 01:54:31,599
Speaker 1: was not in for those types of things in twenty nineteen.

2412
01:54:31,680 --> 01:54:34,800
Speaker 1: And when he got up there at after the Titans game,

2413
01:54:35,640 --> 01:54:38,280
Speaker 1: how it was my first experience because I was lucky

2414
01:54:38,400 --> 01:54:40,760
Speaker 1: enough to be on the beat start on twenty and

2415
01:54:40,800 --> 01:54:42,640
Speaker 1: eighteen when they won the Super Bowl, so I'd never

2416
01:54:42,720 --> 01:54:45,400
Speaker 1: seen them lose a playoff game from this angle, and

2417
01:54:45,560 --> 01:54:47,680
Speaker 1: I thought he was gonna be dejected. I thought it

2418
01:54:47,800 --> 01:54:50,040
Speaker 1: was gonna be devastated. When he got up there at

2419
01:54:50,080 --> 01:54:53,200
Speaker 1: the podium, he looked relieved. He looked like it's like

2420
01:54:53,560 --> 01:54:55,440
Speaker 1: this is over and I can move on, you know,

2421
01:54:55,800 --> 01:54:59,720
Speaker 1: just a real almost happy and didn't satisfied with the end.

2422
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:02,200
Speaker 1: And you wonder, you wonder how deep it goes, how

2423
01:55:02,600 --> 01:55:05,640
Speaker 1: really when the first contact was, you know, right, like

2424
01:55:05,720 --> 01:55:08,680
Speaker 1: it's been going on, yeah, for a while. And that's

2425
01:55:08,680 --> 01:55:10,600
Speaker 1: why I think Brady I agree with you, friend. I

2426
01:55:10,640 --> 01:55:13,320
Speaker 1: think Brady should at least get fined or something. It

2427
01:55:13,440 --> 01:55:15,800
Speaker 1: has come out that there's going to be no punishment

2428
01:55:15,880 --> 01:55:18,800
Speaker 1: against Tom Brady. ESPN's reporting that, right, Like, I don't

2429
01:55:18,840 --> 01:55:22,840
Speaker 1: really understand that. I guess the league feels we've had

2430
01:55:23,000 --> 01:55:27,240
Speaker 1: enough of trying to punish Tom Brady. Maybe I know

2431
01:55:27,360 --> 01:55:29,520
Speaker 1: it is kind of all. You know, maybe he maybe

2432
01:55:29,600 --> 01:55:32,240
Speaker 1: he was just trying to ignore the person trying to

2433
01:55:32,440 --> 01:55:34,280
Speaker 1: constantly reach out to him and get in touch with him.

2434
01:55:34,280 --> 01:55:36,360
Speaker 1: He just you know, maybe he wasn't responding. Well, you

2435
01:55:36,440 --> 01:55:38,120
Speaker 1: might have been letting the air out of the conversation

2436
01:55:38,480 --> 01:55:40,680
Speaker 1: calling me on this line, don't you normal They have

2437
01:55:40,840 --> 01:55:43,680
Speaker 1: this line, call me on the other line. Nobody, nobody

2438
01:55:43,760 --> 01:55:46,520
Speaker 1: caught what I just said. No, I said, Brady might

2439
01:55:46,560 --> 01:55:47,920
Speaker 1: have been trying to just let the air out of it.

2440
01:55:49,000 --> 01:55:51,320
Speaker 1: I see what you did. There's now now we can

2441
01:55:51,400 --> 01:55:56,320
Speaker 1: make the fleet gage. Miami is the new new England.

2442
01:55:56,520 --> 01:55:58,560
Speaker 1: We got We're good now. I'll tell you what though,

2443
01:55:58,560 --> 01:56:00,280
Speaker 1: I mean, Patriots fans should be pretty fine up for

2444
01:56:00,280 --> 01:56:02,120
Speaker 1: these Dolphins games now, Not to mention they beat in

2445
01:56:02,120 --> 01:56:03,760
Speaker 1: you whatever it is like four the last five times

2446
01:56:03,840 --> 01:56:06,320
Speaker 1: they played you too. It seems to have your number.

2447
01:56:06,360 --> 01:56:08,800
Speaker 1: They got Tyreek kill now. But but now this nonsense

2448
01:56:08,880 --> 01:56:12,040
Speaker 1: comes up, so you know, I mean, Patriots confine think

2449
01:56:12,080 --> 01:56:15,080
Speaker 1: the suspension of Stephen Ross, will you know affect their

2450
01:56:15,120 --> 01:56:21,640
Speaker 1: early games zero points? You're right, but the loss of

2451
01:56:21,680 --> 01:56:23,480
Speaker 1: a first and the third round picks they're not in

2452
01:56:23,520 --> 01:56:27,120
Speaker 1: the same year. But it's that's significantly aunt in a

2453
01:56:27,160 --> 01:56:29,480
Speaker 1: million and a half dollars. But that's a lot first

2454
01:56:29,760 --> 01:56:31,760
Speaker 1: third round pick those. Yeah, that's a lot. I mean,

2455
01:56:31,960 --> 01:56:34,480
Speaker 1: you could say it's light, but like, to me, the

2456
01:56:34,560 --> 01:56:37,720
Speaker 1: tanking thing is what I'm like. If if there's some

2457
01:56:37,880 --> 01:56:40,200
Speaker 1: evidence that they tank, I'm telling you Stephen Ross needs

2458
01:56:40,200 --> 01:56:43,120
Speaker 1: to lose the team. Oh that's that's a whole different thing.

2459
01:56:43,680 --> 01:56:48,920
Speaker 1: And and apparently they didn't find any evidence of taking. Say, uh,

2460
01:56:49,160 --> 01:56:51,560
Speaker 1: we're winding things down here, let's let's grab Bill from

2461
01:56:51,560 --> 01:56:54,080
Speaker 1: Oklahoma real quick. Bill is a last call. Oh Bill,

2462
01:56:54,160 --> 01:56:56,320
Speaker 1: we're trying to get you in, and you just called him,

2463
01:56:56,360 --> 01:56:59,080
Speaker 1: but you didn't. All right, well, well you know, just

2464
01:56:59,240 --> 01:57:01,400
Speaker 1: to go back that just I know we're running out

2465
01:57:01,400 --> 01:57:03,760
Speaker 1: of time. But I'm the tanking. They asked him to

2466
01:57:03,840 --> 01:57:05,800
Speaker 1: do it, Flores, and he said no. So they didn't

2467
01:57:05,840 --> 01:57:08,640
Speaker 1: actually ever take They just asked him to tank and

2468
01:57:08,760 --> 01:57:11,640
Speaker 1: he said no, apparently, according to Flores. So you don't

2469
01:57:11,640 --> 01:57:17,480
Speaker 1: think that if they could prove that Stephen Ross requested

2470
01:57:17,560 --> 01:57:19,440
Speaker 1: that his coach lose on purpose, that he should lose

2471
01:57:19,480 --> 01:57:21,480
Speaker 1: his team because I do. Yeah. No, whether or not

2472
01:57:21,680 --> 01:57:24,600
Speaker 1: Flora's followed through with it right to me, is irrelevant. Yeah, No,

2473
01:57:25,040 --> 01:57:27,480
Speaker 1: I can't have a guy who owns a team who's

2474
01:57:28,240 --> 01:57:31,040
Speaker 1: forcing his employees to try to lose. I don't think

2475
01:57:31,080 --> 01:57:33,080
Speaker 1: you can do that. The only thing I can think

2476
01:57:33,120 --> 01:57:36,720
Speaker 1: of is they have evidence of other teams, and where

2477
01:57:36,800 --> 01:57:39,520
Speaker 1: Ross has evidence of other teams and he said, listen,

2478
01:57:39,560 --> 01:57:42,000
Speaker 1: if you take me down for this, I'm going public

2479
01:57:42,080 --> 01:57:45,160
Speaker 1: with everything I know. I'm all the dirts coming out.

2480
01:57:45,440 --> 01:57:48,000
Speaker 1: You know, luckily Karma got them because they drafted their

2481
01:57:48,040 --> 01:57:50,280
Speaker 1: own quarterback. So at the end of the day, what

2482
01:57:50,320 --> 01:57:52,200
Speaker 1: does it really matter? You know. I'd like to hear

2483
01:57:52,240 --> 01:57:54,520
Speaker 1: from Flores though, like when did Flores first realized, like

2484
01:57:54,640 --> 01:57:56,600
Speaker 1: know that they were going after Brady and you know

2485
01:57:56,760 --> 01:57:59,400
Speaker 1: how I mean, I know the next offseason he was

2486
01:57:59,440 --> 01:58:01,000
Speaker 1: involved in that, But was he aware of it that

2487
01:58:01,080 --> 01:58:03,440
Speaker 1: they were while he was already coaching reaching out Like,

2488
01:58:04,160 --> 01:58:06,839
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that definitely raises some more questions.

2489
01:58:06,880 --> 01:58:08,720
Speaker 1: And the news breaks right as we're coming on here,

2490
01:58:08,760 --> 01:58:11,840
Speaker 1: so he can't really dive into it yet. Uh. One

2491
01:58:11,880 --> 01:58:14,520
Speaker 1: last question here from Jack how much of the offensive

2492
01:58:14,560 --> 01:58:16,840
Speaker 1: line problems are related to the fact that David Andrews

2493
01:58:16,880 --> 01:58:18,800
Speaker 1: has been out early in camp and the substitute centers

2494
01:58:18,840 --> 01:58:22,240
Speaker 1: may not be properly calling the blocking steam Andrews has

2495
01:58:22,280 --> 01:58:25,760
Speaker 1: been out there plenty though yeah it's new to him too.

2496
01:58:26,000 --> 01:58:30,000
Speaker 1: It is, it is does seem to be a mic

2497
01:58:30,120 --> 01:58:32,760
Speaker 1: point problem. Not to get too caught up in the minutia,

2498
01:58:32,880 --> 01:58:35,440
Speaker 1: but this is not like I was saying earlier that

2499
01:58:35,880 --> 01:58:39,200
Speaker 1: Trent Brown misses the block or Isaiah Wynn misses a block.

2500
01:58:39,280 --> 01:58:42,320
Speaker 1: This is they are not configuring it correctly to make

2501
01:58:42,360 --> 01:58:44,680
Speaker 1: sure they're getting hat on a hat, which is a

2502
01:58:45,440 --> 01:58:50,360
Speaker 1: communication and really something that I think is more easily

2503
01:58:50,560 --> 01:58:53,200
Speaker 1: worked out on the whiteboard or in the film room

2504
01:58:53,240 --> 01:58:55,560
Speaker 1: maybe than maybe even out on the field. And Summer

2505
01:58:55,840 --> 01:58:57,920
Speaker 1: respects the least. I don't know. I mean you might

2506
01:58:58,000 --> 01:59:01,560
Speaker 1: say that, Evan, but like there's you know you mentioned earlier.

2507
01:59:01,600 --> 01:59:03,560
Speaker 1: I was listening, you know, the rhythm of it, you know,

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Speaker 1: and and to me, you have to just do it.

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Speaker 1: You can look at it in the whiteboard, but until

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Speaker 1: you're out there moving and seeing the defenses and you know,

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Speaker 1: actually doing it, it would be hard to like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I should get that guy, you know instead of I.

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Speaker 1: You know, now I've got a guy trailing me, I

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Speaker 1: pass him up because the guy behind me has him,

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Speaker 1: you know. Trust. Yeah, trust. Yeah, like all being on

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Speaker 1: the same page, and you mentioned that also Evans, So

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Speaker 1: to me, you just got it. It's repetition at this point. Reps, reps, reps.

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Speaker 1: You talked to a lot of coaches that run this system.

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Speaker 1: We might if this is truly the way that they're going,

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Speaker 1: the system might not actually be good until twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: You know, it could take a whole season of repping

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Speaker 1: this wide zone system until it really takes hold for you.

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Speaker 1: So try to get Joe Gibbs on the phone. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know he's retired, right, Yeah, but it was his offense,

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Speaker 1: right or he was the all alexis alexis Alex Gibbs. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we should interview him about the you know, intricacies of

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Speaker 1: this type of running game. Yeah. Well, hey it's two o'clock,

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Speaker 1: two hours. We did it, guys. We try to get

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Speaker 1: you caught up on training camp. So that'll do it

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