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Speaker 3: so I was like, that's sick here. He didn't even

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Speaker 3: lactose intolerant John Morgan. I'm gonna read you some of

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Speaker 3: the stuff, just like the data. Multiple number ones that

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Speaker 3: Really enjoyed it. Here he is, Episode five seventeen, John Morgan, John,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, apparently there's some algae and they had to come

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Speaker 1: Our grass is up to our waist if you don't mind.

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Speaker 1: If we're busy and I'm hustling, you know, and there's

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Speaker 3: Those jobs where you have to do service are so important,

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Speaker 1: played one hundred and fifty shows a year.

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Speaker 3: Or were you playing Were you playing guitar? Yeah? Could

438
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Speaker 3: you play fast like bluegrass style fast used to be

439
00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:03,680
Speaker 3: able to? Yeah? I mean I guess you had to

440
00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:05,600
Speaker 3: kind of get in to fit in, right, Yeah. And

441
00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,840
Speaker 3: I would assume, just my experience, not with bluegrass, but

442
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Speaker 3: with anything being around great people, you kind of have

443
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Speaker 3: to at least try to be great and get a

444
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Speaker 3: lot better or you don't get to hang out with

445
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Speaker 3: the great people anymore.

446
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Speaker 2: Exactly.

447
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Speaker 3: Is that what it was for you at a young age?

448
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I knew it because it's like you said,

449
00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:22,960
Speaker 1: people don't really care how you sing in bluegrass, but.

450
00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:24,399
Speaker 3: You better be able to play, you know.

451
00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:28,280
Speaker 1: And so I really really dove into that and just

452
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Speaker 1: being a lead guitar player, and I'm thankful for that

453
00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,240
Speaker 1: because it allows me to at least hang now, you know,

454
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Speaker 1: with with with my guys and what we do.

455
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Speaker 3: So I was wrong. Then, if you're playing at eleven,

456
00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:43,800
Speaker 3: you were good at ball and music, because most of

457
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Speaker 3: the time it's not it's one or the other with

458
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Speaker 3: a lot of folks. But if you're starting even before

459
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Speaker 3: you really get serious about ball, which just sounds like

460
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Speaker 3: you did, if you're starting at eleven, yeah, yeah, which

461
00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,080
Speaker 3: were you more passionate about always music?

462
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Speaker 4: Man?

463
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Speaker 1: You know, even playing bluegrass like I was playing tradition

464
00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:02,840
Speaker 1: bluegrass at that time too in the beginning, and you're

465
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Speaker 1: playing the same songs that every other bands play a

466
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Speaker 1: different way, right, it's just it's traditional standard bluegrass tunes.

467
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Speaker 1: And so it was a lot of fun. But I

468
00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,280
Speaker 1: just got burnt, man. I was just like, I want

469
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Speaker 1: to write my own stuff. I want to do my

470
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Speaker 1: own thing. And it took me a minute to figure

471
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Speaker 1: out that's what I wanted to do. But when I did,

472
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Speaker 1: that's that's when I was like, all right, I got

473
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Speaker 1: I got to move to Nashville now, or I'm gonna

474
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Speaker 1: get stuck here.

475
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Speaker 3: You know, Were you around any other folks that had

476
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Speaker 3: been to Nashville and maybe it didn't work out or

477
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Speaker 3: it wasn't for them, and they came back and could

478
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Speaker 3: tell you that you needed to be in Nashville. Uh,

479
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Speaker 3: not anybody who had been and came back.

480
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Speaker 2: But I had.

481
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Speaker 3: Uh.

482
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Speaker 1: So my drummer he's from uh same town as me,

483
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Speaker 1: and he moved to Nashville about a year before I did.

484
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Speaker 1: He was like, man, same thing. He's like, I want

485
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Speaker 1: to get a pub deal, I'm going. So he was

486
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Speaker 1: kind of the he was a heavy encourager of Like

487
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Speaker 1: every weekend he would call me, bro, you gotta come

488
00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:01,439
Speaker 1: out here, and right, you're gonna move down here?

489
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Speaker 2: When are you moving?

490
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Speaker 3: Like?

491
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Speaker 2: He was that guy, And so I had. I had him.

492
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Speaker 1: And then I had another buddy from Clayton, Georgia, right

493
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Speaker 1: across the line from me, who I grew up with,

494
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Speaker 1: Jeb Gibson, who he he got a deal at Seagill

495
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Speaker 1: as a writer and before he even moved to town,

496
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Speaker 1: he got he got signed, and so you know, seeing

497
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Speaker 1: that happen, I was like, man, that's colle At least

498
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Speaker 1: I know two people. I had like three friends when

499
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Speaker 1: I moved to that I was really close to, and

500
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Speaker 1: they were all in the music industry.

501
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,440
Speaker 2: So that was helpful to kind of get.

502
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Speaker 1: Established early on just through their friend group and like

503
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Speaker 1: trying to hang and meet people. It was like that

504
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,399
Speaker 1: helped me a lot, you know, sped the process up.

505
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,760
Speaker 1: I feel like a little bit. But yeah, man, it

506
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Speaker 1: was a lot of fun. I knew that, you know,

507
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Speaker 1: music was always what I was passionate about, no matter

508
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Speaker 1: what else I was doing. Like, I knew that was it.

509
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Speaker 1: There was a time period where I didn't touch my

510
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Speaker 1: guitar for like a year and a half, and that

511
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Speaker 1: was when I was coaching and doing stuff like that.

512
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Speaker 3: Purpose or just have time for it because you were

513
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Speaker 3: consumed with ball, with my middle school girls basketball career.

514
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,919
Speaker 3: Uh probably let all you burnt by it. So you're like,

515
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna leave it and hopefully the passion comes back,

516
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Speaker 3: or I'm gonna leave it because I just don't want

517
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Speaker 3: to touch it. Or were you just no time? Probably

518
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Speaker 3: a I was.

519
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Speaker 1: I was really burnt man, Like, you know, you're on

520
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Speaker 1: a sprinter van for I mean literally, I was from

521
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Speaker 1: from eleven to really eighteen, I was on the road

522
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Speaker 1: in a sprinter van, sleeping on the floor or whatever.

523
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Speaker 3: You know.

524
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Speaker 1: It's just like I think it just caught up to

525
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Speaker 1: me and and that's kind of where I was at

526
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Speaker 1: at that point.

527
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Speaker 3: Did you have any money saved up? If you're playing

528
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Speaker 3: shows at eleven, did you have some money saved up? Yeah?

529
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I bought my first to my first two vehicles

530
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Speaker 1: with Bluegrass money.

531
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Speaker 3: Because it's not like there's a lot to spend it

532
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Speaker 3: on when you're eleven. No, there's no car insurance. Well

533
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Speaker 3: there are things.

534
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Speaker 1: To spend it on, but you don't like you don't

535
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Speaker 1: need anything, right, I didn't.

536
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Speaker 2: I was I was like cool, it was nice to

537
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 2: see money in the bank, you know.

538
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I liked that.

539
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 2: And I've always been a tight wad too.

540
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,920
Speaker 3: So yeah, as you mentioned earlier, mowing the yard, Yeah,

541
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Speaker 3: I guess at eleven, there's nothing you had you must

542
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Speaker 3: spend your money on. It would have been a better

543
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Speaker 3: way for me to say that, because yeah, I'd about

544
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Speaker 3: baseball cards like crazy, but I didn't need baseball cards.

545
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Speaker 3: But at eleven, you don't have to pay insurance, right.

546
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't have any of the bills that take

547
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Speaker 1: your you know, the core monthly income out.

548
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Speaker 2: You just stocking it up.

549
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Speaker 3: Did you know that you didn't want to do bluegrass

550
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Speaker 3: while you were doing bluegrass? Or while you were doing it,

551
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Speaker 3: did you love and think it was always blue grass

552
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Speaker 3: until you got burnt out?

553
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Speaker 1: I thought bluegrass was my only option for a while.

554
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Speaker 1: I thought, you know, this is all I've been good at,

555
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Speaker 1: this is all I probably can do. But you know,

556
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Speaker 1: I was always listening. I never listened to bluegrass on

557
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Speaker 1: my downtime like it was. I think I heard it

558
00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 1: so much on the road that I was just like,

559
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,439
Speaker 1: I need a change, just seen when I'm not and

560
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 1: when we're traveling or whatever, I got my headphones in.

561
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:08,880
Speaker 1: I'm listening to the old school nineties, country, eighties, hair metal,

562
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 1: you know, like all kinds of stuff, seventies. My dad,

563
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Speaker 1: like I said, he really influenced me in that era

564
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 1: of music, and.

565
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Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't know.

566
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Speaker 1: I was always listening to different stuff and enjoyed that.

567
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Speaker 4: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor,

568
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Speaker 4: and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

569
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Speaker 3: Go back to being eighteen, right when you're graduate high school?

570
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Speaker 3: Who were your four favorite artists then.

571
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,360
Speaker 2: Eighteen? John Mayer was a huge one.

572
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 1: I got into the mayor world, and he's kind of

573
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Speaker 1: the guy that He and Keith Urban probably two that

574
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Speaker 1: really got me into the electric guitar world because I

575
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Speaker 1: was always acoustic. Electric guitar was like has scared me?

576
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Speaker 2: Right? I was like, I don't know, I don't know

577
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 2: what all this is. And so.

578
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 1: They're the two guys who would just their clean tones

579
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Speaker 1: like introduced me to, you know, playing a telly and

580
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 1: getting a good clean tone out of a telecaster and

581
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,199
Speaker 1: then strattones and then just started adding pedals and like

582
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Speaker 1: figuring them out. And I was a bedroom guy too,

583
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 1: you know. I would sit in my bedroom and play

584
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: the records all night. That's that's just how I practiced.

585
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 1: I just loved doing that. And so I would say

586
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Speaker 1: those two guys at eighteen. Ronnie Mills has been one

587
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 1: of my favorites forever. Your dad mom, so my mom, Yeah, yeah,

588
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 1: I just I've always loved him and his style and

589
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,120
Speaker 1: what he did. But I would say those three guys,

590
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 1: and then then at that time Big three Doors Down fan,

591
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 1: So I kind of had a little mixture of those.

592
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Speaker 3: But who wasn't Three Doors Down does not get the

593
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Speaker 3: credit for having they have so many monthster just data hits, yeah,

594
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 3: meaning number ones, even songs that still stream. But because

595
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 3: they fit in that lane and they were so ubiquitous,

596
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 3: because they could be on rock radio, they could be

597
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,919
Speaker 3: their massive pop radio, they could be all alternative that

598
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 3: they really didn't have a specific area that championed them

599
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 3: because they were everywhere right where. If they just would

600
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Speaker 3: have been a rock band, they'd have been, like, man,

601
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 3: talk about a great southern rock. They'd have been held

602
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 3: up high as a standard. But because they were so big,

603
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 3: I feel like they don't get the credit they deserve. Yeah,

604
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 3: because they're just some southern boys that easily could have

605
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 3: been a country band too. Oh yeah. Like, and I

606
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 3: got a chance to note Brad and Brad's come out

607
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 3: has come out and played with with you know, my

608
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 3: comedy group before and these we did Kryptonite. Dude, I'm

609
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 3: telling him it was freaking awesome. But like I assume

610
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:53,199
Speaker 3: as the drums come in, Dude, it's like chills. You

611
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 3: feel like you.

612
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 1: Can play that drum sol that anybody because it's just

613
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: so iconic, right, you're like, oh, I could do that,

614
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 1: you know, and then you watch it, like watch a

615
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 1: video of it, and then he watched Brad do it.

616
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 3: I'm like, that's what blew my mind. He's back there

617
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 3: singing and playing. I'm like, I'm out, and to see

618
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 3: also his range, Like as a singer. There are a

619
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Speaker 3: couple of artists that I've seen and I'm curious to know,

620
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 3: like your thought on this as well. A couple of

621
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Speaker 3: artists that I've been around and I watched them perform

622
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 3: and I didn't realize that they either sang so high

623
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 3: or how they sang was so hard. Brad's one of them.

624
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 3: Because you're talking about songs where he has to go.

625
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 3: I don't even know what key singing in even Krypton,

626
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 3: I was like screaming key like he has to scream

627
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 3: on Tim McGraw, same way, Like he sings so high,

628
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 3: and you just sing a songs on the radio, you're like,

629
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Speaker 3: you know, cool, when he sings at a show or

630
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 3: like am I studio or something, You're like, oh, I

631
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 3: could never really he's and he hasn't changed keys at all.

632
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 2: See that's cool.

633
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 3: That's cool.

634
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: I've never seen Tim Love, so I I didn't know that,

635
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 1: but I can see him being that's how truthfully, that's

636
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: how al Dean was. I just know, you know, I

637
00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: get to see his show so many times being on

638
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: the road with He asked me to come out and

639
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: do the truth with him on that. I think it

640
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: was his first the first tour was on and I

641
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, in the bag, that's one of

642
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: my favorite songs. Whatever, dude, I went to go practice

643
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: it and I'm like I said, I told Jason, was like, dude,

644
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 1: please don't ever make me sing this bridge because I

645
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 1: cannot hit it. There's no way it's gonna I'm not

646
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 1: getting there. You have to sing the bridge every night.

647
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: So we would be up there. There was a couple

648
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 1: of times where you know, he would just he's he's

649
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: not a rehearsing guy, right, He's like, yeah, it was

650
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 1: just come on, we're good, you know. So he pulls

651
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 1: me up there and we're in the middle of it.

652
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:34,959
Speaker 1: We get to the bridge and he looks over at

653
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Speaker 1: me and he's like, you got it, you got it.

654
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, don't do this to make flee thirty

655
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: thousand people waiting on the bridge to come.

656
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 3: But yeah, he's very deceptively high.

657
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 2: A singer, Uh, just like that?

658
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, I again, I'm not a singer. I sing for comedy,

659
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 3: so I have a duo and you know we do

660
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 3: pretty good. But I can sing just well enough that

661
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 3: it doesn't distract from the joke. So I'm not a

662
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 3: vocalist anyway, but I can sing enough, and I did

663
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 3: meet them. Know with Diamond Rio you talk about a

664
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 3: high freaking song and you're just not prepared. Yeah, no chance.

665
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 2: Isn't there a key change? Yeah one too, Yeah, of

666
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 2: course keep.

667
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 3: Complete Another one's Tracy Lawrence paying me a Birmingham. There's

668
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 3: a complete key change. I can't even I'm not a vocalist,

669
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 3: but there's a complete key change. It's a cold, cold cut, right, Yeah,

670
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 3: it's true.

671
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 2: I forget about though.

672
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 3: It feels almost like the national anthem where you got

673
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 3: to start solo that it gets high and classic mistake. Yeah,

674
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 3: where do you? What? What do you sing? Usually? Like

675
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 3: what key? I'm a big G guy, like you just

676
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 3: go put it in G and I can hang. Yeah.

677
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 3: G used to be my key too, Then you got

678
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 3: a lot better.

679
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 2: No, I don't know.

680
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 3: I think it got worse. Uh b is.

681
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: For whatever reason, open b Is is a good key

682
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: for me. He is a good one. I play and

683
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: drop d a lot. Those are probably my go to's.

684
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 3: You move to town and you have a bit, I'd

685
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 3: say it's a little version of Canary and the coal Mine.

686
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 3: Yet buddies that came and they didn't die, and they're like, dude,

687
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 3: you got to come. Canary lived to come to come

688
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 3: to the coal mine. And so you're here. You have

689
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 3: a little support system at least people, you know, how

690
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 3: long until like things I won't even start to happen,

691
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 3: but you start to kind of get your bearings a

692
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 3: little bit and go, oh, okay, I think I can

693
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 3: do this. Because there's there's very much an intimidation, uh Era,

694
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 3: because you're you're good where you're from. Yeah, but once

695
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 3: you get here, I'm not speaking about you specifically, but

696
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 3: general everybody. Yeah, once you get here, you're like, oh,

697
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 3: I was a good ball player at my high school,

698
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 3: but now I'm here with Yadi or Malina and it's

699
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 3: a whole different ball game. Yeah. How long until you

700
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 3: finally felt comfortable and intimidation turned into kind of motivation? Great?

701
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: Great question, Man, I definitely. I definitely had that era

702
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: of early on where I was like, I moved here

703
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: with the expectation of I know what I want to do.

704
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 2: That was that was that was my thing.

705
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: I'm glad I didn't move he earlier because I probably

706
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:06,959
Speaker 1: would have bounced around, tried too many different things, probably

707
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: taking too many other jobs, like not had enough money

708
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: saved up to be able to focus on music when

709
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: I first moved here.

710
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 3: But yeah, I knew exactly what I wanted to do.

711
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 3: What was that though?

712
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 2: He said, Well, I just wanted to write. Man, that

713
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 2: was my thing. I wanted to be a songwriter, and

714
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 2: I knew.

715
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: I fell in love with that world, and I was like, man, this,

716
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: this is like what I wanted to do. I knew,

717
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: you know, being an artist was always in the back

718
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: of my mind. But like I said, you mentioned it earlier,

719
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: it was like I felt like bluegrass was the only

720
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: option for that right. I didn't know truthfully, I didn't

721
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: know that I had a lead voice until I moved

722
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: to town and I started doing demo work because I

723
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: got into production early on when I first moved here.

724
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: I knew that would get me into better writing rooms.

725
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: So I'm like I can do a demo. I know

726
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: how to do it enough, right, So I started, you know,

727
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: investing into equipment and like getting a little set up room,

728
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: and you know that eventually turned into me, uh, you know,

729
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: having to sing demos and like people being like, hey,

730
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: will you throw a vocal on this?

731
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 3: Or out of necessity by the way, yeah, I don't

732
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 3: think you're just dying to sing, but out of necessity

733
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 3: you kind of found a voice.

734
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was.

735
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: I was always a harmony singer. I mean I sang

736
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: lead on a few songs here and there, but it

737
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: was predominantly a harmony guy. And so when I started

738
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: doing that. I'm also a perfectionist when it comes to music,

739
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: Like I just I'm super anal about certain things.

740
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 3: Is that the bluegrass background, because it's that is so specific.

741
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 3: Bluegrass is so specific and also at the same time

742
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 3: jazz right, Yeah, you can move around a bit, but

743
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 3: if you don't move around the exact right spot, it

744
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 3: can be disastrous. It can be beautiful, yeah, but it

745
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 3: can be disastrous. And I always find the bluegrass players

746
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 3: are what are are like you are, Like, they're super

747
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 3: anal about specific things when it comes to production. Yeah,

748
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 3: do you think that's where that comes from.

749
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 2: It could be, man, I think you're right.

750
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: It's that Princeton offense mindset right where you're like, I

751
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: just like, I like, for one, if I'm doing a vocal,

752
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: I want it to be super clean. You know, I'm

753
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: very That's one of my pet peeves is like making

754
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: sure I edit all my vocals. Uh, you know, clean

755
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: them up, get them, get them sounding right. But yeah,

756
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, man. I think production is what got

757
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: me into better rooms as a writer. And I knew

758
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: that if I could get in rooms with hit songwriters,

759
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: I could figure it out.

760
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 2: I feel like.

761
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 3: You could learn from them or yeah, you could just

762
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 3: see see what they're like, what the secret is behind

763
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 3: the closed doors? Yeah, and then you could do that because.

764
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: There's got to be a secret, right, You're like, how

765
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: are these guys writing multiple multiple hits for decades?

766
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 3: You know, the guys Ashley Gorley have seven hundred hits?

767
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 3: Like what's he doing over and over again? Yeah? What

768
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 3: is he doing? Because there's something? Yeah, there has to be, yeah, right,

769
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 3: there has to be. What'd you learn? What was the secret?

770
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 2: You know what?

771
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 3: Man?

772
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: I I learned that these guys are just so articulate.

773
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: They I think the biggest thing that I learned from

774
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: especially early on, right early on, from guys like Mike Delaney,

775
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: Brett Beaver's, you know, Casey Bether. Those were some of

776
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: the guys that I got put into rooms with when

777
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: I first got signed. So I was extremely nervous, new guy.

778
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: But sitting in the room with them, the one thing

779
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: I learned about all of them is they didn't waste

780
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: any lines. There's no lines wasted. There's no fat in

781
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: any of the lines. You're not saying words just to

782
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: put them there in fill a space. Like every word

783
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,240
Speaker 1: has a purpose, right, every line is purposeful. It's getting

784
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: you to the next one where it's getting into the

785
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: hook of the song. Like those are the kind of

786
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: things that I needed because I you.

787
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 3: Know, I realized too.

788
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: It made me realize my ideas that I was writing

789
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: back home in North Carolina. They weren't bad ideas. I

790
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: just didn't know how to get them there, you know,

791
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 1: I was. I was talking about a bunch of random

792
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: crap in the verses, and it made no sense when

793
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,720
Speaker 1: I got to the chorus. You know, that was something

794
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,879
Speaker 1: that I learned from those guys is really tying that

795
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: in Casey is the king of like writing all the

796
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: way around and somehow ending back.

797
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 2: Up with a hook, you know, in the best way.

798
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: So that was probably the main thing I've taken from

799
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: those guys is just cut the fat, like, make sure

800
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: every line is purposeful. They're also not guys who finished

801
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: at three pm. That was the kicker for Ashley. I'm like, dude,

802
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: how in the world are you so quick?

803
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 3: You know?

804
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 1: That was that was the thing when I wrote with

805
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 1: him for the first time, Like he just you just roll,

806
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: you roll with it, you figure it out, and he

807
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: moves a lot faster than my brain though, So uh,

808
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: that was cool to watch. But yeah, there's so many

809
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: different things. I try to always be a sponge when

810
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:42,720
Speaker 1: I'm in those rooms.

811
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 3: I spent some time because I had written a bunch

812
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 3: of comedy I've written a buch jokes, a bunch of

813
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 3: comedy songs. But I called a friend of mine who's

814
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 3: a songwriter, and I said, hey, I have an idea.

815
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 3: I'd seen this thing on one of the news shows,

816
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 3: like in Japan. They had a hologram that was in

817
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 3: like seven places at once. It was an opening act

818
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 3: for a bunch of real artists and they would write

819
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 3: songs for the hologram. It was a version of what

820
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 3: way back in the day, what was Damon Albert Guerrilla

821
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,439
Speaker 3: the Gorillas, the cartoon the Gorillas. Yeah, And I called

822
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 3: my friend, I said, Hey, I think there's something here

823
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 3: for us in this world. I said, let's let's try it.

824
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 3: And he was like cool. And so because I had

825
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 3: this idea, it was me, and it was Ross Kopperman,

826
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,320
Speaker 3: it was Nicole Gallian and they were very accomplished songwriters,

827
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,760
Speaker 3: lots of hits. So so what was chasing that idea?

828
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 3: And we had built this group called Neon People, and

829
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 3: we were writing all these songs. Now what I what

830
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 3: I learned from being with them, because they do that

831
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 3: every day at a high level, reinforced. I guess what

832
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 3: I learned about other things too, was reps. The importance

833
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 3: of freakin' reps, because I'd be in and by the way,

834
00:36:54,440 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 3: they are extremely elevated when it comes to songwriting but

835
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 3: word play, and I would go like, how did you

836
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 3: figure that out? And honestly, it'd be like, dude, we've

837
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 3: done this ten thousand times, like the first twenty two hundred.

838
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,720
Speaker 3: It was terrible. Yeah, And it was. Even the greats

839
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 3: in that world will credit to just doing it over

840
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 3: and over again with really good people. And yeah, it

841
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 3: wasn't that good to begin with, but now it's just

842
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 3: the reps, the reps, the reps, and you naturally get

843
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 3: a lot better the more you do it and the

844
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 3: better people you do it with. And that's also what

845
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 3: I'm hearing when you talk about these guys, because those

846
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,760
Speaker 3: are legends, and I've read with Jim Beavers a bunch. Yeah,

847
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 3: it's just the funniest And that's why him and I

848
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 3: wrote together, because he was so funny. Yeah, But it

849
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 3: was like, even in songwriting, which is a really cerebral thing,

850
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 3: it's not like you just go, I'm a great songwriter.

851
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 3: This is the second song I've ever written gold. Yeah,

852
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 3: it's not that. No, it's not.

853
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 2: That's a great point, man.

854
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 1: It's just like anything else, the more you do it,

855
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: the more you're like, Okay, that didn't work last time.

856
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 2: Let's trust something else, you know.

857
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: And I think the other big factor, especially in Nashville,

858
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: is like who are you collaborating with? You know, because

859
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: you get two really great lyricists in a room, it

860
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 1: could go either way.

861
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 3: It could go really well, or it could you could

862
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 3: get you could.

863
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 1: Hit a wall in the middle of the right, you know,

864
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:13,439
Speaker 1: because uh that that was something that I I don't

865
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: know if I necessarily learned it, but like took on

866
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,240
Speaker 1: that role of like I'm going to be the chameleon

867
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 1: in every room. If if if I'm in the room

868
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: with you know, a Brett Beavers or you know, most

869
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: of these guys are they they had They're great melodically,

870
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: lyrically like they like you said, they've done it so

871
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 1: much that.

872
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 3: They're good at all ends.

873
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 1: But they prefer some some of these guys prefer to

874
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: do one thing. So I just try to fill that

875
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: hole whatever whatever room I'm in. If if we need

876
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 1: a track going, I'll hop on, I'll get a vibe

877
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: going on to to keep the ball rolling. If if

878
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: we're getting stumped on an idea, I'll throw out some ideas.

879
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 3: You know, whatever it is. I try to be a

880
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 3: chameleon in the room and and do that. Did you

881
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 3: purposefully and I'll call that a utility player? Did you

882
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 3: purposefully have more utility because you got here and wanted

883
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 3: to be valuable in whatever room, or did you have

884
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 3: those skills because of all the time you had spent

885
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 3: doing it growing up. I'd like to think both.

886
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: You know, again, bluegrass, you got to play multiple instruments,

887
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 1: you know, you got to be able to sing different

888
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: harmony parts. You got to be able to, you know,

889
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: kind of adapt in the same way. I think that's

890
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 1: what allowed me to do it, was just to have

891
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: the ability of doing it.

892
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 3: Was that.

893
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, the driving force was just I wanted to

894
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 1: be in better rooms and I wanted to be a songwriter.

895
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: And I thankfully, you know, I was twenty three twenty

896
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: four when I officially moved here, and I moved at

897
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 1: like the weirdest time ever in twenty twenty. So a

898
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: lot of my first big rights were over Zoom. And

899
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: that was just an adjustment in all and of itself,

900
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: because I'm very much ah in person kind of guy,

901
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: and so I had to I had to really become

902
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: a good lyricist, because you can't sit there and play

903
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: the whole time when you're on zoom. You know, you're

904
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: just pissing everybody off with the lag and all the

905
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: different things. So I had to learn how to sit

906
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: there and mute myself, play in the room, try to

907
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: come up with a line Hey, guys, what about this?

908
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 1: You know, it made me have to be a better lyricist.

909
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: I'm actually thankful for that. First, you know, a couple

910
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: of months and almost a year of writing on Zoom

911
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: with some of these hit songwriters was kind of watching

912
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 1: them do the same thing too on the other end,

913
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 1: and how their brain works and processing you know, the

914
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: storyline and the idea. It was a lot of fun eventually.

915
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: At first it was extremely intimidating, but you know, I

916
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 1: learned a lot from that year.

917
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 3: Any awkwardness with co writing because you got to say

918
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 3: stuff now, yeah, and it may not be warmly accepted,

919
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 3: not negatively, Yeah, but most things don't go into the song.

920
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 3: Yeah that's awkward, Yeah, it is. It can be at first.

921
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: I've definitely said some things that I wish I didn't

922
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: say in front of a hit songwriter.

923
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 3: Early on, I'm sure. Yeah, later you learn if you

924
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 3: say something that you shouldn't have said it, maybe it

925
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 3: turns into something else and you have freedom with it.

926
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 2: Dude, nailed it.

927
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:15,919
Speaker 3: That's exactly what I was going to say.

928
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: Like early on, you're like at the first stage is

929
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: like you're too scared to say anything. And then when

930
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: you finally get a little enough golf to actually say

931
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: what's on your mind.

932
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 2: You're like, oh, man, that was stupid. He didn't like it,

933
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 2: you know.

934
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 1: And then you get to the point eventually where you're like, yeah,

935
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: here's that, and you're like, he didn't buy it on it,

936
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: and then you know, like Brett was Brett did that

937
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: on So we wrote one time. Brett Biebers and I

938
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: wrote one time, and we wrote Trouble with the Heartbreak,

939
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: which became number one for both of us, never written

940
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: since he moved to Florida.

941
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 2: I think that was his cash out.

942
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 3: He was like, yeah, I'm piecing out.

943
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:53,399
Speaker 2: Let's see later.

944
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 3: I'm like, cool, but no.

945
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,760
Speaker 1: We wrote one time and I remember him specifically doing

946
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: that in that room for that song where I was

947
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: like I threw something out that I thought was kind

948
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: of cool or it might be something to It was

949
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: a line, and he didn't say anything. He didn't acknowledge.

950
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: He didn't he wasn't like oh yeah, yeah, yeah, he

951
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: was just he had his falling out and he was

952
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: He just kind of looked at me and shook his

953
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: head and I was like, yeah, I'm gonna leave.

954
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,240
Speaker 2: I was like, that was my cue.

955
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: I think but literally five minutes later he was like, hey,

956
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:28,760
Speaker 1: you know that thing you said.

957
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 3: I was.

958
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 1: I was over here messing with it, and he literally

959
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: made it cool. You know, So he took something that

960
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: I thought was stupid and made it cool. It just

961
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 1: sparked him in that way.

962
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 3: So you're exactly right.

963
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: Man, Like, you can't be afraid to say something in

964
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:41,879
Speaker 1: a room.

965
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 2: It's not stupid til it's stupid.

966
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,439
Speaker 3: Right. It is a maturation process too, of going from

967
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 3: like I'm scared to say anything, cause again, in my

968
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 3: world pretty big fish. But I'm writing with Ross and

969
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 3: Nicole and I know them, yeah, and I'm like, ah,

970
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 3: I'm sure everything about to say stupid I don't want

971
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 3: to say. So I went through like a hyper fast

972
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 3: version of that, being like I don't want to say

973
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 3: anything because it's stupid. And then I'd be like, Okay,

974
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 3: this is totally stupid. Let me just and I would

975
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 3: preface it every time with how dumb What I was

976
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 3: about to say was just say it, Yeah, say it,

977
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 3: And then you know, five or six songs into it,

978
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 3: you're just like saying the dumbest crap and that's okay,

979
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 3: because sometimes that dumb crap would not you woudn't even

980
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 3: use it, but did plan a seed. Sometimes they would

981
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 3: go a direction that was similar to the dumb thing

982
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 3: that was said, yeah and yeah, I was on like

983
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 3: the super fast Billy Madison version of that. But that's

984
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 3: and I was glad I got to do that because

985
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 3: I can understand when songwriters talk about that now. Yeah,

986
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 3: because you who was the first songwriter that you were

987
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 3: with that kind of gave you a little a confidence

988
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 3: that you could hang uh Mike Delaney.

989
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was the first guy, first big writer that

990
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 1: I that I got on a room with, and he

991
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: was He's just a laid back guy in general. So

992
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,399
Speaker 1: his his personality is just pretty welcoming right off the bat.

993
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 2: He's not somebody that really.

994
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: Have to warm up to in some ways, his humor

995
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: you have to warm up to, but like him as

996
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: a guy, just the nicest guy in the world. And

997
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: so early on he was definitely that guy for me

998
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: that that I guess saw something and what I was

999
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: doing and was like, I like this, let's we can

1000
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 1: write for these guys, but let's write for you. Let's

1001
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: let's you know what I do is do you have?

1002
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: That was that was when I felt like Okay, I

1003
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: can hang. When I was throwing out my ideas that

1004
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: I came up with at my house, you know, and

1005
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 1: bringing him into the room, and guys like him were confirming.

1006
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 2: That that that it was a good idea. That's when

1007
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 2: I was like, that's cool, man.

1008
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,240
Speaker 1: That that encouraged me to you know, to keep rolling

1009
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: because I'm like, if he likes it, then there's got

1010
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 1: to be something to it, right.

1011
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,439
Speaker 3: So, uh, he was the first guy.

1012
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,720
Speaker 1: Like I said, Brett was another guy you know that

1013
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: that really encouraged me in a lot of ways. Who else, man, Uh,

1014
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:01,720
Speaker 1: there's there's there's a handful of guys.

1015
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 3: Uh.

1016
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: Brent Anderson, my producer, was a guy early on too

1017
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: who really encouraged me in that way.

1018
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 2: Lydia Vaughan's a younger writer that I met.

1019
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: She was she was signed at Corman for maybe a

1020
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,760
Speaker 1: year when we met and I was unsigned, had nothing

1021
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: going on, and she took a chance on writing with me,

1022
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: and we've written, you know, multiple times a month ever

1023
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: since then and become really close friends too.

1024
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,240
Speaker 3: So yeah, those she's.

1025
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,760
Speaker 1: One of the best in talent, uh, in my opinion,

1026
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: just all the way around, she's as good as a

1027
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: lyricist as she is a melody person. You know she

1028
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: can play. It's like triple threat. But those are some

1029
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: of the early ones for me.

1030
00:45:48,320 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 5: The Bobby Cast will be right back is the Bobby Cast.

1031
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,919
Speaker 3: How soon did you and Jason start to know each other?

1032
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 3: My assumption is you wrote a bunch of songs, ended

1033
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 3: up cutting, and your name is showed up over and

1034
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 3: over again, Like that would be the version in my

1035
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 3: head to plays because you have a lot of iden kites. Yeah.

1036
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 3: And then he's like, well, this guy John keeps showing up,

1037
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 3: maybe I should meet him. That's my fictional world of

1038
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 3: what happened. What really did happen? That would make more sense.

1039
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: No, He So when I first moved to town, I,

1040
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:30,280
Speaker 1: you know, obviously never lived in a city. I didn't

1041
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: know anything about Nashville really, just other than the music scene.

1042
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: So when I moved here, I was crashing on my

1043
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: drummer's couch and he he's like, man, I'd love to

1044
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: show you around town. We went out to eat one night,

1045
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: called it uber guy picks us up. We start chatting.

1046
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: Really cool guy. He's telling us about his story. I've

1047
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: been in Nashville for twenty years. Da da da written

1048
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 1: some songs for some guys back in the day. So

1049
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 1: we kind of take you with a grain of salt, right,

1050
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,720
Speaker 1: Like everybody, everybody in Nashville's got a story and they

1051
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: I'll be connected in the music industry in some way.

1052
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: So I didn't really think anything of it, to be

1053
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: honest with you. It was a nice guy we met.

1054
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: He dropped us off piece out, so you never kind

1055
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 1: of thing, right, So we we did our thing. Well,

1056
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 1: fast forward a year from that, I had been living

1057
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: in town, you know, writing songs. It was kind of

1058
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: had like a handshake deal with Riverhouse. Zeb over at

1059
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 1: Riverhouse took interest in what I was doing on the

1060
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: production side of things, and he was like, he's like,

1061
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 1: I'll plug you in with some of my writers if

1062
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: you will do the demo.

1063
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 2: And so we had this little trade off thing.

1064
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 1: Well, I was in the middle of that and I

1065
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,280
Speaker 1: ended up getting a part time gig over at Lucky

1066
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: Brand at Aubrey Mills. I was, I was working there

1067
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: and yeah, yeah, so I was. I was working one

1068
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: day and typically I was stocking shells, but they were shorthanded.

1069
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: They pulled me out on the floor. So I'm like

1070
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: trying to find what lady. I wanted to try to

1071
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 1: sell jeans to you know. It was my my icebreaker

1072
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: back then. Didn't work too well. But no this I'm working.

1073
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 1: This guy walks in.

1074
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, I know this guy from somewhere.

1075
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: So I started chatting with him and realized that he

1076
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: was my Uber driver from a year earlier. And he

1077
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: just randomly came into the store was looking for jeans,

1078
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:16,439
Speaker 1: and so we hit it off.

1079
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 3: I was like, dude, this is crazy, you know.

1080
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:21,839
Speaker 2: So he was like, what are you doing right now?

1081
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, I've got, you know, a handful of demos

1082
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 1: and songs I think are all right, And so I

1083
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: sent him a handful of those and he went on

1084
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: his way, and a couple days later he called me

1085
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: and was like, hey, man, like, I've been listening to

1086
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: some of the stuff you sent me. He's like, I

1087
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: feel like there's something. There's something here. There was one

1088
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: specific idea. He was like, I really think there's something

1089
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: to this. So he's like, do you mind if.

1090
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 2: We revisit it. I'm like sure.

1091
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,800
Speaker 1: So we hop on zoom. We start revisiting this idea.

1092
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: Long story short, we finished this idea. We do a

1093
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: demo for it, I sing the demo, he sends it

1094
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 1: off to guys. He told me he's been writing with forever, right,

1095
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: So I'm like not thinking anything of it. About two

1096
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 1: weeks later, I get a phone call out cut my

1097
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: grass literally weed eat of course, so on brand right, Uh,

1098
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,359
Speaker 1: cut my grass And I get a phone call and

1099
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: I answer it and he's like, hey, man, this is

1100
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:21,399
Speaker 1: Jason now Dean.

1101
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 3: Uh.

1102
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,240
Speaker 1: I got your get your phone number from my boy Tully,

1103
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 1: and uh. He was like, you know, I've just been

1104
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: hearing some stuff you've been writing. And he's like, I'd

1105
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: love to I'd love to meet in person and just

1106
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 1: you know, hang whatever. Meanwhile, I'm like sprinting inside to

1107
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: find like a witness, right, he needed somebody to make

1108
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 1: sure this was not a prank call, Uh, to just

1109
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 1: show up at Jason now Dean's house.

1110
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 3: He's like, hell is this guy? You know? But now

1111
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 3: I was legit.

1112
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: He ended up he heard that song, that demo and

1113
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 1: a couple of other ones that we had ended up

1114
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: finishing with some of his bandmates Kurt and Tully, Kurt

1115
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: Allison Untilie Kennedy and so we had kind of started riding,

1116
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 1: as you know, as a foursome like that, and I

1117
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: think we had like two or three together. So that's

1118
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 1: kind of how he heard about me. And uh yeah,

1119
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: funny story. Going to meet him for the first time, right,

1120
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, like he was down like spring Hill.

1121
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 2: It was like an hour from me at the time.

1122
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: Again, had an an older ford that had no ac

1123
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: in it and middle of August. And he's like, once

1124
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: you drive down to the house and we'll hang I

1125
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 1: load to meet you.

1126
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 2: So I'm like, cool.

1127
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: So I'm driving down spring Hill, every window rolled down, dude,

1128
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: middle of August. You know, you know how it is here, bro,

1129
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: it was I'm sweating my ass off, like just soaking wet.

1130
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 2: My entire upper tor so is just soaking wet.

1131
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 1: Right, And I'll pull up to this house and I'm like,

1132
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 1: I'm like pulling up to the White House, right, I'm like.

1133
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 3: Get through the gate. I'm like my truck's like backfiring

1134
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 3: and like blowing smoke out in the back.

1135
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: You know, I'll pull up through there and he he

1136
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: comes out to me. I really have time to like

1137
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: think about it. He kind of came out. I was like,

1138
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 1: you know, and I get out of my truck and

1139
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: he dabs me up, dude, just whole arm soaking wet

1140
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 1: from hugging me, And I was like, why does this

1141
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 1: happen that he couldn't have given me five minutes to

1142
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: find an old shirt in the back of my truck.

1143
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 1: You know, it was the most awkward encounter at first

1144
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:23,919
Speaker 1: because I was just so paranoid about my whole back

1145
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: being soaken wet.

1146
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:26,280
Speaker 2: But he was so cool.

1147
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: Man.

1148
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 2: He's been so cool to me ever since.

1149
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 3: Connect the Uber driver from a year ago, who is

1150
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 3: obviously connected and is still riding. Yeah to how that

1151
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 3: got to the guys in al Dean's band, so.

1152
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 2: He yeah, I skipped the part. I guess he So.

1153
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 1: The Uber driver whose name is John Edwards, he had

1154
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: been riding with kurtin Tolly for almost a decade. He

1155
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,720
Speaker 1: had some cuts on al Dean, like in the early

1156
00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: two thousands, and I think they started riding then he

1157
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 1: had a number one with blame It on You during

1158
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 1: kind of during that time.

1159
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 2: But yeah, he was he was just buddies with them.

1160
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: They just wrote a lot together and so after he

1161
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 1: and I finished an idea, he sent them some other

1162
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: ideas that we had started and they helped us finish

1163
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: and that's kind of how they made the connection. But

1164
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: one one other cool thing that that was like the

1165
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: icing on the cake for me was, you know, Evers

1166
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 1: was kind of like he was kind of like little

1167
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: Jaden Burnt because he, you know, just been through the

1168
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: wringer on a few different you know, ends of the

1169
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: music industry. But the coolest thing about all of it was,

1170
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 1: you know when when when Jason offered me a pub deal,

1171
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 1: he's like, you know, I want to offer your pub bill. Well,

1172
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 1: they also he also offered John Evers a pub deal too,

1173
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: and so that was cool to have the guy kind

1174
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 1: of found me initially be able to get signed with

1175
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: me and sign a new pub deal and write songs together.

1176
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 2: You know, it was really cool.

1177
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 3: That is cool. Yeah, I thought all came back around.

1178
00:52:59,480 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1179
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 3: And it's also cool how you continue to be sweaty

1180
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 3: from driving un air conditioned because for those and you

1181
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 3: probably don't know this, we didn't mention it, but John

1182
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 3: was in the bathroom changing his shirt whenever I walked

1183
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 3: in because he was sweaty in his put no air

1184
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 3: conditioner when he got here. Today. Hey, something's never changed, man,

1185
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 3: Something's never changed. Hopefully one day I'll get I'll get

1186
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 3: a vehicle with AC. Why don't you get a hicol

1187
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 3: with an AC?

1188
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 2: You know what, I'm I'm cheap man.

1189
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 1: I also got three kids to feed, so I'm uh,

1190
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: that's where most of my most of my spenditures go.

1191
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 3: I feel like, maybe don't buy an eleventh guitar, but

1192
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 3: you do get in AC priorities though, right, Yeah, man,

1193
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 3: I'm not a big spender. AC's not big spending. No, yeah,

1194
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 3: you're right, You're right.

1195
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: In all reality, probably not, but uh, you know, it

1196
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 1: also takes time, man, Like it takes time to go

1197
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:50,879
Speaker 1: drop it off.

1198
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 2: I've been on the road so much, i haven't even

1199
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 2: been home, so I.

1200
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 3: Kind of don't hear you, but I yeah, yeah, yeah,

1201
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 3: yeah yeah.

1202
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 4: Let's take a quick pause for a message of our

1203
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:11,800
Speaker 4: sponsor and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

1204
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 3: How was uh Santa my Boots Fest?

1205
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:15,280
Speaker 2: It was awesome.

1206
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably one of the coolest setups that I'd seen

1207
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,359
Speaker 1: at a festival, just as far as like even even

1208
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,959
Speaker 1: the back uh you know, backstage area.

1209
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 2: I was like, man, this is sick.

1210
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 3: Like uh.

1211
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: Other than that, like the fans showed up early for us,

1212
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 1: which was kind of a first for us at a festival,

1213
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: a big festival like that, you know, coming off of

1214
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,959
Speaker 1: like having a number one. That's that's that's when you're like, Okay,

1215
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 1: I get it now, because you know whereas last summer,

1216
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: had we been booked at Santa My Boots, we would

1217
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 1: have been playing to a bunch of white chairs, you

1218
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:48,399
Speaker 1: know what I mean.

1219
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 3: And we did that.

1220
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 1: We did do that for a long time in that

1221
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: one two o'clock afternoon slot.

1222
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 3: But this year, man like people showed up.

1223
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 1: It was really cool to see that and see the

1224
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: growth u you know, on that side of things. But yeah,

1225
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: the festival in general was really fun. It was a

1226
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of good a lot of good people,

1227
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 1: a lot of good times.

1228
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 3: Before you got here, we talked about the record Carolina Blue.

1229
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 3: We talked about your touring. So I want to use

1230
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 3: these final two questions, uh in in the most efficient

1231
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 3: but meaningful way possible. So question one of two right now?

1232
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 3: Who are your favorite four artists current current artists that

1233
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 3: you no, no, you're right now. I come up to you.

1234
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 3: I'm like, dude, mount Rushmore, your four favorite artists of

1235
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 3: all time? Some of them can be the same.

1236
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Millsef song there for sure. Probably I

1237
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 1: would put Church in there somewhere.

1238
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 3: Uh.

1239
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 2: He's He's been a big influence on me.

1240
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 1: Uh just coming from the same area, you know, and

1241
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: having that same kind of drive.

1242
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:59,320
Speaker 2: Who else That's tough, man, it's a tough question.

1243
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:00,359
Speaker 3: Now, I'm meant to be easy.

1244
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 2: Keith Whitley's in there.

1245
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 1: Huge influence on me early on, coming from the bluegrass background,

1246
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: you know, switching into country. I always that always intrigued me.

1247
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:13,320
Speaker 1: And just you know, he was a stud.

1248
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 3: But def Leppard's last, Yeah, I mean not last, but

1249
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 3: that's that's my last pick man.

1250
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 2: They've influenced me a lot.

1251
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 1: In the sonic world, I just love I love that

1252
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 1: eighties guitar tones, the course, like all that stuff. When

1253
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 1: I when I discovered that, I was like, Wow, this

1254
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 1: is this is how a guitar should sound, you know,

1255
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 1: and fell in love with it.

1256
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:41,800
Speaker 2: And they've been one of my favorites ever since.

1257
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:45,720
Speaker 3: Final question, what did you not expect that's happening now

1258
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 3: about being a solo artist front man, solo artist with success? Like,

1259
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 3: what's happening now that you didn't quite expect?

1260
00:56:55,680 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 1: Probably just the time I didn't I didn't realize how

1261
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 1: much time it required number one to.

1262
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 3: You know, push a radio single. You know, that was

1263
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 3: a big eye opener for me.

1264
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 1: You know, I've had one as a songwriter, but you know,

1265
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 1: being on the artist end of it, I now know

1266
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: what artists go through to promote that single or.

1267
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 3: That album, whatever it may be. And you know, I

1268
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 3: have a lot more respect for it.

1269
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 1: And there's a lot a little bit probably a little

1270
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: sweeter in that that regard having a number one as

1271
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: as an artist yourself, because you're the one putting the

1272
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 1: work in right. But yeah, I would say probably just

1273
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 1: you know the time that that you really have to

1274
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 1: I've never been, like they'll laugh at me for saying this,

1275
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 1: but I've never been like a schedule oriented guy where

1276
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, have every everything in my day planned out,

1277
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 1: you know, I'm doing this from nine thirty to the like.

1278
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 1: That was just never me and now I have to

1279
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 1: be that, right. You have to be otherwise you pull

1280
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:55,919
Speaker 1: time out of your personal life and you you lose

1281
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 1: time with people that you you know, need to spend

1282
00:57:58,360 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 1: time with, or your kids or.

1283
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 3: Whatever it may be. It's like you have to you

1284
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 3: have to really get it.

1285
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 1: Down to a science to be able to delegate yourself

1286
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 1: in the best and not spread yourself then, because that's

1287
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: the other problem is try to do too much and

1288
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: you're not giving quality time to anybody.

1289
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 2: You're just there, you know.

1290
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 1: So that that was probably the biggest adjustment at least

1291
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 1: for me in my life and the way it was

1292
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: to now.

1293
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 3: It was probably that Wen, I really appreciate the time.

1294
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 3: It's been awesome. I Like I said, I didn't know you,

1295
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 3: So it's always cool whenever I don't know somebody and

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Speaker 3: then I spend an hour with them, because this is

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Speaker 3: a pretty intimate thing because it's just you and me

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Speaker 3: depending on each other. I mean, it's a dance. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but it's like I like it when I like somebody

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Speaker 3: after it. Sometimes I don't. Yeah, so a bit yeah,

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Speaker 3: well yeah, because it's again, it's it's it's a vulnerable

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Speaker 3: spot for both of us to sit here and just

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Speaker 3: kind of look at each other and roll. It's like

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Speaker 3: songwriting a bit too, where you just got to say

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Speaker 3: stuff and hope the other person backs you up or

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Speaker 3: like provides and so uh yeah, I like you not

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Speaker 3: that that matters to you, but it does. Yeah, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's really I appreciate that saying it seemed like a

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Speaker 3: real guy, and so yeah, I'm rooting for you, and

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Speaker 3: congratulations obviously on the single doing so well. But there's

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Speaker 3: the difference, or, at least at this point in my career,

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Speaker 3: I can feel a bit of the difference between somebody

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Speaker 3: who's got a hit single and somebody who is substantial

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Speaker 3: and is going to have a whatever the version of

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Speaker 3: success is for a long time. And I feel like

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Speaker 3: you very much are that second part. Thank you, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it. So, yeah, this has been really fun

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Speaker 3: for me, So I really appreciate you coming over saying man,

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Speaker 3: and if you don't mind fixing on algae in the pool,

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Speaker 3: got on the way out the way, I guess some

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Speaker 3: chemicals in my trailer. Perfect, all right, you guys. Follow

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Speaker 3: John at John Morgan ninety five on Instagram.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.