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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you

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Speaker 2: Jason Martel, one of the leading researchers and lectures and

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Speaker 2: ancient civilization technologies. Jason continues to break record ground with

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Speaker 2: his latest work on AI as his research helps to

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Speaker 2: uncover knowledge and progress for humankind. And here he is

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Speaker 2: back on Coast to Coast Jason, how are you.

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Speaker 3: Hi, George, Thanks for having me back on your show.

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Speaker 2: Looking forward to this and I'm looking forward to seeing

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Speaker 2: you at Contact in the Desert.

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Speaker 3: Yes, sir, once again, that time has come. It's just

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Speaker 3: around the corner.

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Speaker 2: We've got all kinds of events.

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Speaker 1: Tommy.

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Speaker 2: You'll tell folks next week a little bit. What's in store?

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Speaker 3: Have you been I've been doing well, George, just as

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Speaker 3: you mentioned there, just playing with some of that new.

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Speaker 4: Technology with artificial intelligence and having some fun.

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Speaker 2: Well, we'll get into that. Tell us about what you've

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Speaker 2: been doing with ancient astronauts.

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Speaker 3: You know, the research is been something that's ongoing for

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Speaker 3: probably two or three decades now, looking into the ancient cultures,

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Speaker 3: trying to understand the big question of where.

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Speaker 4: We come from.

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Speaker 3: So really, what I've been up to, George, is is

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Speaker 3: just applying some of of our latest technology, which we'll

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Speaker 3: discuss tonight on the body of evidence that we have.

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Speaker 3: Right there's just such a large amount of evidence that

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Speaker 3: we've uncovered in the past, but up till now it's

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Speaker 3: been very difficult and arduous to look through those archives

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Speaker 3: and look through those artifacts. The game is changing. We

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Speaker 3: have ways to do things much faster and find the

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Speaker 3: needle in the haystack quicker.

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Speaker 2: And when we say ancient astronauts, Jason, who are we

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Speaker 2: talking about?

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Speaker 3: That's a broad topic that covers the the idea that

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Speaker 3: you know, as we look across cultures over thirty of

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Speaker 3: the top ancient cultures around the world, they all seem

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Speaker 3: to reference a time when they interacted or lived amongst

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Speaker 3: what they considered to be living gods. So when we

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Speaker 3: look at the term ancient astronaut theory, what we're doing

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Speaker 3: is identifying artifacts and information coming out of ancient cultures

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Speaker 3: where they speak of interactions with their living gods. Now

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Speaker 3: give you an example in our modern Bible, in the

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Speaker 3: talk about man interacting with their living gods, and so

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Speaker 3: it's very possible that through the ancient astronaut theory, we

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Speaker 3: look at these as physical events, not mythology, things that

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Speaker 4: And so that's what we use.

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Speaker 3: The ancient astronaut theory of the umbrella of research is

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Speaker 3: to analyze the past, say, were some of these interactions

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Speaker 3: actual physical events that place?

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Speaker 2: Where do you think they came from?

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Speaker 3: Jason, Well, you know, when we look at the evidence, George,

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Speaker 3: similar to the late eighteen hundred and early nineteen hundred divers,

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Speaker 3: Exactly, those big oversized suits that allow you to do

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Speaker 3: pressurized dives. What we see is a lot of these

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Speaker 2: Now I was going to say Earth is definitely a

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Speaker 3: So, I mean, it seems to be that, you know,

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Speaker 2: Is there any evideniation, Jason that shows where the ancient

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Speaker 3: There's evidence that we're still trying to put together right.

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Speaker 3: So I'll give you an example. When we look at

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Speaker 4: One of these is about Beck in Lebanon.

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Speaker 3: There are trilipeton stones, huge huge blocks that have been

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Speaker 3: These locations like balt Back in Lebanon, there's actual quotes

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Speaker 3: Smoke, sounds like a rocket ship landing. And when we

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Speaker 2: Jason, you've seen the carvings on the sarcophagus lid of

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Speaker 3: That's one of the most infamous carvings that again brings

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Speaker 3: appeared to be some type of levers. His nose looks

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Speaker 4: It's a very intricate design.

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Speaker 3: But clearly the visual of that shows that King Pacol

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Speaker 4: Of a rocket ship.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it looks like he clearly came down

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Speaker 3: They're depicting things that you know, we can look at

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Speaker 4: When you compare them to modern technology and.

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Speaker 3: You see these similarities, it definitely raises.

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Speaker 2: Questions, what's your latest on your work with NASA and Mars.

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Speaker 3: It's an ongoing it's an ongoing topic Georgia, and this

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Speaker 3: is one of those areas where the AI helps, right.

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Speaker 3: So for years myself included I look through NASA archives,

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Speaker 3: Space Center, many of these conglomerate organizations of NASA that

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Speaker 3: In Space Science Systems that are located in San Diego.

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Speaker 3: I have a long history with doctor Mike Malan. As

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Speaker 2: So andce for you, doesn't it it?

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Speaker 3: You know Vincent di Pietro Greg Mullinar, two famous researchers

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Speaker 3: found on Mars was located by these two gentlemen. They're like,

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Speaker 3: my gosh, this is clearly a pyramidal complex, you know,

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Speaker 1: Us do that.

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Speaker 2: What's the target date to send the man an astronaut

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Speaker 2: to the Mars.

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Speaker 3: Boy, it's right around the corner, George, you know, following

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Speaker 3: SpaceX we're targeted for twenty twenty six to start doing.

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Speaker 2: That's only two years away, just.

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Speaker 3: There's going to be plans to go to Mars as

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Speaker 3: missions to Mars are well underway as far as planning.

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Speaker 3: So whether they keep that timeline of twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 3: to be fulfilled obligated, but everything seems to be on track,

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Speaker 3: and SpaceX has been making all kinds of innovations with

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Speaker 3: Which yeah, it seems like our whole life we've been

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Speaker 4: That's going to change the game.

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Speaker 2: I used to tell Richard she we had a theme.

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Speaker 2: You won't know unless you go, I love it.

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Speaker 4: That's it.

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Speaker 3: That's that's we should put that on a bumper sticure

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Speaker 2: A lot of sense, doesn't it, Yeah, it.

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Speaker 4: Where we come from.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that could happened?

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Speaker 4: And most likely, you know, we had a presence.

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Speaker 2: When do we go back to the moon, Jason, that's

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Speaker 4: It's just it's just not possible. So when will we

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Speaker 3: Publicly, I think is the answer is the question. We

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Speaker 3: set up a base on the dark side of the Moon.

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Speaker 3: Well for us, right, that raises a lot of questions

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Speaker 3: I think, invites interesting answers into our fields of research

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Speaker 4: Been a presence on the moon.

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Speaker 3: You know, Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin even then, you

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Speaker 2: There's a twenty four thousand year cycle known as procession.

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Speaker 2: What does that mean?

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Speaker 3: Procession is a technical term today that we used to

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Speaker 4: So for us, that comes.

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Speaker 3: Down to understanding that every two thousand years we essentially

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Speaker 4: It's a very complicated.

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Speaker 3: Set of maths. There's been a lot of new research

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Speaker 3: much more elegant and complicated reason for why we have procession,

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Speaker 3: and that simple answer, George is possibly because we have

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Speaker 3: two sons, not just one, and that changes the equation

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Speaker 3: of our solar system dynamics. As we can talk about

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Speaker 3: that has not just one son but two.

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Speaker 2: It's a binary star system, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: It's a binary star system. I mean most of the

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Speaker 3: other telescopes, we see that most systems are binary, or

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Speaker 4: Around each other. Serious A and B would be a

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Speaker 3: So it's very possible that we have a second Sun,

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Speaker 3: But there's strong evidence to suggest that binary solar systems

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Speaker 4: If you can think about that, two suns.

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Speaker 4: We are moving through space as well.

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Speaker 3: And so if you think about a moving solar system,

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Speaker 3: can understand that, if we're moving through space, that's what's

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Speaker 3: more tonight because you know, many, many ancient folters track

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Speaker 3: this twenty four thousand year cycle. How did they do that?

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