1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:07,119 Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast. It's loose on one, Gens 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: and Sudas four. Welcome to another edition of the Around 3 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Ans, coming to 4 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: you from a room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling, 5 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 1: and Greg Rostal. What is up, boys? Hey? Dan? Wild 6 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: Card weekend is here. How exciting? How exciting? You guys 7 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: look pumped? I am pumped. We've had a big day 8 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 1: twenty eight weeks this NFL season is We're in week 9 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:37,959 Speaker 1: twenty four. These are the best, the best five, aren't they. 10 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 1: It's the most wonderful time of the year. I would 11 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 1: say another reason to be excited is and I don't 12 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: agree with the decision they did. They made the decision 13 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: upstairs to give us a TV show, and we've been 14 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 1: waiting for a long time for that. You don't agree 15 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: with the decision. I don't know if it's the right 16 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: move by them, but they made the move. Rock Gossweiler 17 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:00,040 Speaker 1: clearly doesn't agree. They gave us a show. The on 18 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 1: the NFL Podcast, You're on the NFL broadcast that premieres Friday, 19 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: six pm Eastern three pm Pacific. Rearers A bunch of 20 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: times leading up to UH playoff Action and it will 21 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,759 Speaker 1: air every Friday or premiere every Friday for the next 22 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: three weeks, starting this week. We're very excited about it. 23 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: We've been doing a lot of work this week, both 24 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: in prep and doing some shooting, Ricky stretching, outer director 25 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 1: legs Um and UH, it's exciting. We're very much like 26 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: the an NBA player on a ten day contract, you 27 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: know we have. We're trying to make it through these 28 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: three weeks. Will they resign us for next year? Like 29 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: that's that's the pressure for significantly less money. But I 30 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: I heard um from a little birdie that what flipped 31 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: the switch was that the people upstairs, these guys floating 32 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: around in their cream colored corvettes on the weekends, that 33 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: they caught win that we UH were actually named the 34 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: best new podcast on iTunes in two thousand twelve. When 35 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: they heard that, they said, this has to be something 36 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: that we put on the air and show. And there 37 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: is there is some some chatter I haven't heard from 38 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: iTunes since where there I don't know they you know 39 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 1: they got There has been some chatter wes out there 40 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: in the streets, streets talking both on the A T 41 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: and subreddit and a couple of tweets I've gotten and 42 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: maybe some Instagram comments. Some fans, some of the greatest 43 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: fans of our show, the biggest fans of our show, 44 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: don't want the TV show to be successful because in 45 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 1: what typically happens in our industry is the people that 46 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: become the TV people dropped the podcast. Now, let's speak 47 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: to that. Was that's a legitimate concern, that's the answer. 48 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:42,239 Speaker 1: Anytime I've been a fan of anything, I've had similar concerns. 49 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: But I mean, I've given a lot of thought to this, 50 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: Like if if my entire personal on this podcast is 51 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: to watch Game Pass during the season and report back 52 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 1: with findings, just wait until we're on TV, and then 53 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: somebody's haying to me a research packet before we go 54 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: on air because I don't have time to watch games anymore. 55 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 1: I don't know what that answer was, But we're doing 56 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: the podcast as much as we've always done it. Oh, 57 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: no matter what, that's always gonna way to colm the 58 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 1: public fears. If anything leimate, if anything falls off, it'll 59 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: be our writing, So you know, I mean, that's that's 60 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: that is currently happening. So in the tank all right 61 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: around the NFL broadcast what's the big deal? All right, 62 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: wild Card Weekend. It's a good thing. We're not celebrating 63 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: our success before it happens. By the way, yeah, maybe 64 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: we shouldn't count our chickens as they say. All right, 65 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: So well that's what we're gonna do today. Uh, pretty straightforward. Actually, 66 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: we're going to dig into all four games of wild 67 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: Card Weekend. We'll start with the Saturday games, which are 68 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: the a f C games. I will have a special 69 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: guest involved, Mike gard who covers the past and does 70 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: a great job for NFL Network, is going to join 71 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: us uh to talk uh Tennessee, New England. Uh. And 72 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: also we're gonna do some news because we do have 73 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: some I've got some stuff to hit mark, including yes, 74 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: more browns, more browns. This is like an exciting playoff 75 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: format half time news. It's pretty big. Yeah, we're mixing 76 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: it up a little bit, mixing it up a little bit. 77 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: So let's get into it. Um, is everybody excited? Yeah? Thoroughly. 78 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 1: Is Mike gi already available? Now? Should we start with 79 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: the Patriots game? I'm realizing that his window availability might 80 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: not be open yet. Well, we're starting, Why don't we 81 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 1: start with a little Texans. Let's start with a little 82 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: buffalo at Houston then better known of course as West 83 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: of This. It's the most wonderful time of the for 84 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 1: new listeners. What why why is it West of This? Well, 85 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: we created the holiday to celebrate the Bengals annual elimination 86 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 1: from the playoffs on wild Card weekend five straight years 87 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: from two thousand eleven to two thousand fifteen. Since then, 88 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 1: the Texans have taken over as the circuit most of 89 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: his team, they always get that early Saturday window, which 90 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: is the West of His window, that the game that 91 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: nobody really wants to watch. They put him in there. 92 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: The Texans have now played more games on West of 93 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: US than the Bengals head So it shifts now, is 94 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 1: this a is a Texans holiday? We can we can 95 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 1: share it. Both Cincinnati and Texas known for chili. I mean, 96 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: they've got some commonalities there. Well, you were openly rooting 97 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 1: against the Bengals. That was part of the festival atmosphere. 98 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: Was you hoping the team would Were you rooting against them? 99 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: So that's that's why it was a party. You're not 100 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: rooty against Texans. I can't, I can't get behind that's 101 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: because you had all these friends and family that still 102 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: supports the team, their chumps. Why are you still your 103 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: friends and family? Why are you rooting against the Texans 104 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 1: because they're not They're not as good as the Bills. 105 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:55,039 Speaker 1: I guess interesting, let's start there, then West. You think 106 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: that despite the fact that the uh, well, these are 107 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: two tenants six teams of course, right, and teams that 108 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 1: have had some ups and downs. But you know, you 109 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: could say that the Bills West have been the more 110 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 1: consistent team this season. But is it fair to say 111 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: at least this was that the Bills as consistent and 112 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: you know, well coached, and they've been a strong team 113 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 1: this year. Their ceiling is not as high as the Texans, 114 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: is it? I mean? And by that and by that logic, 115 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 1: the Texans should be able to win at home a 116 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: team that has more talent and ability, Well, they they 117 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: might not have more talent. The two big factors in 118 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: this game, and the reason why the Bills I believe 119 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 1: are going to win and maybe convincedly, is because will 120 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 1: Fuller is a long shot to play according to our 121 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: Tom Pellicero and J J. Is returning from a three 122 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: to four month injury after two months of a torn 123 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: pectoral and will be limited at best. If these two 124 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 1: guys are healthy, it changes everything because they're two of 125 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 1: the most impactful players on the field. They're not healthy, 126 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 1: one of them probably won't play, the other one will 127 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,359 Speaker 1: play in a limited fast and and I think the 128 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 1: Bills are the worst you if you had to draw 129 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 1: up a team that you do not want to see, 130 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: if you're the Houston Techans would be the Buffalo Bills. 131 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: With that defense, the one thing you know you're getting 132 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: in this matchup is a fundamentally sound shutdown defense. The 133 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: Bills only allowed one team to score twenty five points 134 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: this year. That's the lowest figure in the league. They 135 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: just simply don't have bad games on defense. Since Week eleven, 136 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: they have become one of the best sacking teams in 137 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: the NFL. They become one of the best run defense 138 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: teams in the NFL. You put your Davious White on 139 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins, which is the best cornerback in the NFL, 140 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: probably to put on a receiver like DeAndre Hopkins, and 141 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: then you have great safeties and speedy linebackers to shut 142 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: down Duke Johnson and anything else. This Texans team wants 143 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: to go they're going to be suffocated by the Bills defense. 144 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: I believe they're The fact that they gave up the 145 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: fewest big plays in the league is a problem, especially 146 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: when you don't have Will Fuller, because now, yeah, you 147 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: have Kenny Stills who's a factor, and DeAndre Hopkins, but 148 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: you're gonna need Deshaun Watson to move the ball down 149 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,559 Speaker 1: the field slowly. He struggled a lot when he played 150 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: the Bills a year ago, had one of his worst 151 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: games in two thousand eighteen against Buffalo. They're basically the 152 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: same defense, but they also haven't really beaten anyone great 153 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: all season. I mean they are a very limited offense, 154 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: and in the playoff weeks, I always look for the 155 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: opposite of kind of the cliche, you know, defense when championships, no, 156 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: I usually just picked the team with the better offense, 157 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: and the Texans, despite the ups and downs, were top 158 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: eight in the league and yards per drive and points 159 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: per drive, and the Bills were twenty four or below 160 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: in both of those measures. There's no way you can 161 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 1: look at the Bills offense and say it's anything better 162 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: than mediocre. So you're having weakness on weakness. A week 163 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,959 Speaker 1: Bills offense on a week Texans defense, and then strength 164 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: on strength when Watson. I feel like there are there 165 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:48,719 Speaker 1: an inordinate amount of Shawn's in the NFL coaching Well, 166 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: I don't know, because they're all really great coaches. You've 167 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: got Sean mcveigoh gets talked about endlessly, and Sean Payton 168 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 1: for good reason. But Sean McDermott has someone that was 169 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: essentially like the last interview for a bunch of teams 170 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: before the Bills hired him. I think that he has 171 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 1: produced a Bills team that is consistent week to week. 172 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: They have consistent issues on offense, but they don't have 173 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: that scenario where, oh, you can look back to week 174 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: when they were blowing their doors were blown off by someone. 175 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: They seemed to hang with every single team that they 176 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: deal with, and when they when they go into Dallas 177 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: and win on the road the way they did on Thanksgiving, 178 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:21,719 Speaker 1: I don't really care where the game takes place. I 179 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: think with previous Bills teams that kind of got there, 180 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: you'd need this game to be in Buffalo or wanted 181 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: to be. It's the Texans to me that I don't 182 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: know what team I'm gonna get from week to week 183 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: I stimply don't, and I would have probably taken will 184 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 1: Fuller a month ago and put thirty or forty massage 185 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: therapists around him and just having them, you know, massage 186 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: that soft tissue area all over what area, whatever area 187 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: has soft tissues. But what environment are you talking about? 188 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: I'm just saying. I'm saying you keep him. His body 189 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: is prepared. You know, I didn't. I thought I was 190 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: just thinking other parts of his don't know, cam strings. 191 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: But whenever, I'm with you, by the way, and in fact, 192 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: this game, if you put it in Orchard Park or 193 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: in Houston, it changes nothing about how I feel. If 194 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: this game would have been Houston going up to Buffalo, 195 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: I wouldn't feel any stronger about either team. I think 196 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: this is destined to be perhaps the closest game of 197 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: wild Card Weekend. I don't see how this isn't like 198 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: a fuel goal game, and not a very high scoring 199 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,079 Speaker 1: one at that, Because I don't. I think it's it's 200 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: almost become cliche. Maybe it's only cliche to me slash 201 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: us because we're so close to it. But yes, the 202 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: impact of a will Fuller not being will Fuller and 203 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: what that's meant to this offense. But to me, this 204 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: has all the ear marks of seventeen and it may 205 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: be coming down to a battle of kickers, uh and 206 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: and we'll see how that how that plays out. But 207 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,959 Speaker 1: I think this is a toss up game. And West 208 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: created this amazing West of this document and one of 209 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: the great tenets of a West of his game, the 210 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: three nothing scenario is a three oh lead to steep 211 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:59,439 Speaker 1: to overcome. Right, It's worth mentioning that Texans Deshaun Watson 212 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: or flat out embarrassed in West of this a year ago. 213 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 1: I mean, it was one of the worst performances, maybe 214 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 1: the worst of Deshaun Watson's career was in many statistical 215 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: the cults. The cults put it to them in a game, 216 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: and that was not a result that we expected going 217 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,319 Speaker 1: into it, that it was gonna be that one sided. 218 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,079 Speaker 1: At the time, we said, well, imagine if Deshaun Watson 219 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 1: had good pass protection, what would that look like? And 220 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 1: now he's got it. I mean, they by any measure, 221 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: they've had one of the best pass protecting lines in 222 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: the league. They're pretty good run blocking, and when I 223 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: look at the Bills, they're very sound defensively, They're fine, 224 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: They're just the defense. I mean, they just gave up 225 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: the best game to Tom Brady that he's had in 226 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: about ten weeks. They're fine. I mean they They're not 227 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,719 Speaker 1: gonna shut down a guy who is making the right 228 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 1: reads and his patient and I think Deshaun Watson can 229 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 1: do that because he has that protection. They do not 230 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: have much of a pass rush there, sound enough that 231 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: they can send some blitzes and still hold up at 232 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,079 Speaker 1: the back end. But in terms of Shack Lawson and 233 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 1: and Trent Murphy and Jerry Hugh, it's like they're fine. 234 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,959 Speaker 1: It's a fine defense. One of my if if West 235 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,319 Speaker 1: of US is my favorite tradition of playoff team, it's 236 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: the Festival of Slights. It is My second favorite tradition 237 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: is Greg picking the wrong team in West of This 238 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: every single time and misreading the situation completely. There's a 239 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: game every year where the more I dig in, the 240 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 1: more I do research, the more I watched games, it 241 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,959 Speaker 1: becomes so clear that one team is better than the other. 242 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: The Bills are better than a Yeah, I'm locking it. 243 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,559 Speaker 1: The Bills are better than the Texans and what we 244 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: have with the Willfuller thing. I broke down the stats 245 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:41,559 Speaker 1: and Deshaun Watston Statistically is Patrick Mahomes with Will Fuller 246 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: on the field running a Chiefs or Saints caliber offense. 247 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: You take Will Fuller off the field, He's case Keenum 248 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: numbers wise running a Cults, Lions, or Giants caliber of offense. 249 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: It's that drastic of a difference with these two teams. 250 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: I just think the Bills. You take a look at 251 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 1: a guy like Devin single Terry and you can be 252 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: smirched the Bills off and I think it's fullish to 253 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 1: forget about what Josh Allen does in short yards conversion 254 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: in fourth quarters, when he can out athlete a defense. 255 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: If you don't give him credit for that, you're not 256 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: You're doing a disservice to your analysis. Devin Singletary led 257 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:17,839 Speaker 1: the NFL in yards per carry. He is the best 258 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: outside runner in the NFL. The Texans are the worst 259 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: outside run defense in the NFL since J. J. Watt 260 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: went down. Almost every single little matchup in this game 261 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: goes to the Bills. I did think if you just 262 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: kind of watch their two teams, the Bills have been 263 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: better over the second half of the season, and most 264 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: of the good memories we have of the Texans. A 265 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,719 Speaker 1: lot of those good numbers are from the first half 266 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: of the season. They're pointing is worse than the Dolphins, 267 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,439 Speaker 1: even in their wins. You know the Bucks. The Colts 268 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: win like some of their bigger wins down the stretch. 269 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: You didn't watch that and feel like they were at 270 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: full flight. I'm not someone that puts a ton on momentum. 271 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: I just kind of look at, like Dan, the two ceilings. 272 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: I feel like it's a coin flaw. It does make 273 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: a big difference to me where the game is. I 274 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 1: think Houston uh is A is a pretty good home 275 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: crowd when they get going, and I wouldn't trust this 276 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 1: team the Texans in Buffalo, and I give them a 277 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: much better chance, And I just don't want I just 278 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 1: to me the Bills don't feel like because they're on 279 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: the road, they're gonna change. I get it what I 280 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: get concerned if I were a Buffalo, if you get 281 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: the hot version of Deshaun Watson for whatever reason, and 282 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: I hear you, Wes, I think it's not a good 283 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: matchup for them, especially without Fuller. But they get up 284 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: fourteen nothing, then suddenly you have to have Josh Allen 285 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: testing the field because what I feel like I see 286 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: every game from him or two or three, if not 287 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: four or five ridiculous overthrows or way off target passes, 288 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: And what is the who is the guy that's gonna 289 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: create electricity and pill and pull Buffalo back if they 290 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: get into a hole. That's your one issue with Buffalo. 291 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: Don't have that offense. I will I'll say this, I 292 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: agree with that you're saying. Even you could point to 293 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: the Texans biggest win of the last six weeks, which 294 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: was going into Nashville and winning is not some dominant effort. 295 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: But show me the Bills win that they've had this 296 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: season in a huge spot that was bigger than what 297 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: the Texans did going into Nashville and stopping a Titans 298 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: team playing as well as anyone in the league. For 299 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: a reason is that right after the Broncos blue their 300 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: doors off. Well, you know, I mean, I just Texans 301 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: are inconsistent, and I acknowledge you pick one loss in 302 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: a stretch of five games where they won four though, 303 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: and I mean they were they were outplayed by the Buccaneers. 304 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: They they got they got blown out in Baltimore, and 305 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: at least I agree they're an imperfect team. Deshaun Watson 306 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: is fantastic and you you can do all the analysis 307 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: you want and he can make you look really foolish 308 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: because he's great. Can either of these teams being the 309 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: AFC Championship Game in a couple of weeks. No, I 310 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: don't think so, not unless another teams like goes off 311 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: the cliff on a bus. Losing to Sean Gibson is 312 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: a big deal to the Texans lost their starting safety, 313 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: their deep safety a week ago. I like that secondary 314 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: is so undiscipplined. They gave up tons of big plays 315 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: and you don't see the Bills secondary doin anything like that. 316 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: It means a lot, though, Even though I don't think 317 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: either of these teams are going anywhere, it is worth 318 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: like looking at what this game means to both franchise. 319 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: It's pretty massive. Bill O'Brien pushed his chips in the 320 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: table in the middle of the table for this year. 321 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: I mean, he made those trades and they've worked out. 322 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: Larry me Tunsel was a great trade and that will 323 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: help the team for for years to come. But this 324 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: is an important game for Bill O'Brien after everything he's 325 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: done to kind of consolidate power. If you lose twice 326 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: in a row too, pretty mediocre teams at home in 327 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: the playoffs. I'm not saying he's important. It doesn't put 328 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: his job in No, No, I'm not saying that. I 329 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: just mean they need they need to show some evidence 330 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: of of that they're part of the a f C 331 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: power structure here and it would be very disciplined would 332 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: I would just argue that from compared to last year, 333 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: they're no farther ahead on that journey of for me 334 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: of viewing them as an a pass, well, go go 335 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: smack down the Bills, get to the divisional round and 336 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: see what happens, and then you can get there the 337 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: Bills on the other end, I mean when of the 338 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: last time they won a playoff game, It's been twenty years. 339 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: I mean, this is this would be a massive moment 340 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: for the Bills and their fan base. It's it's a 341 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: couple of years ago it was like we're happy to 342 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: be here. This year, it's like, go go win a game. 343 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: This is a very winnable game. Haven't beat the Texans 344 00:16:57,840 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: in fourteen years and a lot of that stuff just 345 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: non sense because it's different teams. But I hope J. J. 346 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 1: Watts stays healthy. By the way he came back this 347 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: will be sixty nine, had a big moment on West 348 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: Visa before probably a tenant. Well, he's also returned. This 349 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: will be his third return from major injury, and it's 350 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: taken him three games each time to get a sack 351 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: after his return. Not to mention, he's beating the typical 352 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: time timetable, but by not days, not weeks, but like 353 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: a month or two. And I would be, you know, 354 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 1: obviously concerned. You don't want to see him get hurt again. 355 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: How long does this return last? Is he pushing it? 356 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: It seems like an injury that would be very easy 357 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 1: to aggravate. But you know he's a super guy. Happy 358 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 1: for him that he's playing. I mean, how many chances 359 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: in life do you get to play a playoff? The 360 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: sixty nine days from back from Sunday, he tweeted, my 361 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 1: season's over and life is terrible and now here he 362 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: is playing on Before we get to the Pats, let's 363 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:53,120 Speaker 1: pick the game formally with the score mark Bills twenty three, 364 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: Texans locking it up. No, I know you have wait, 365 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: were you going to suck it up before we kind 366 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: of you know, pushed you into that are going a 367 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: different Bill. Somebody pushes West into anything. Bill Texans, I 368 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: like it. I got said as a field goal game. 369 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 1: It's a field goal game. Texans seventeen at the gun. 370 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,919 Speaker 1: I think he'll be a lot of scoring Texans. I 371 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 1: don't feel strong about this one at all, feel like 372 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: this is okay. Let us now move to the Saturday 373 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: night game. And this is the one that Greg is terrified. 374 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:29,880 Speaker 1: I don't even have to ask Greg what his peace 375 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 1: scale is. Uh, it is through the roof. And he'll 376 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 1: and he'll do the whole stick, like, well, why I 377 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: couldn't ask for anything more after all these years, and 378 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: and it doesn't matter, nothing matters, It doesn't matter East Champions. 379 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 1: I'm riding off of that. You, sir, were stung by 380 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: what happened on Sunday against the Dolbins, as was all 381 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: of Patriot Nation, and now you find yourself vulnerable. It 382 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 1: seems at home against the Titans team that nobody wanted 383 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:01,880 Speaker 1: to draw on the first round. Because a few teams 384 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: in the NFL are playing as well as the Tennessee 385 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,120 Speaker 1: Titans right now. So this is a great game. It's 386 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 1: in prime time. Greg has a birthday party, earlier in 387 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: the day. You know what I messed up the weeks there, 388 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: it's act that's next week. I oh, that's perfect. All day. 389 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:17,719 Speaker 1: You just get to sit and stew in it and 390 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 1: realize this is this the end after this run that's 391 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: taken up my entire adult life. Is it all over tonight? Right? Greg? 392 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: Is a birthday party in the morning and the funeral 393 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: in the evening. Saturday night dead, I got. I got 394 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 1: some nice tweets where people are like, you really handle that, 395 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 1: you know, dance being really hard. You know it's not 396 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 1: personal Mike Giardi, who is totally personal, And it's coming 397 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: back the next time the Jets blow a Week seventeen 398 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:49,679 Speaker 1: game and you're all crying and you come up to 399 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: the studio, I can't do it. If you're telling me 400 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 1: that it's like a right fits Patrick Laws, I can't 401 00:19:55,240 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: do the show today. I playoffs, the playoffs. If if 402 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 1: there's a scenario where the Jets are playing for something 403 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 1: in week seventeen, I'll take it. I'll take that pain. 404 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: Um all right, Mike Giardi is on the line. Mike 405 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: does awesome work that Greg doesn't usually do voice work. 406 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: I mean expect you shoot at Gregg. He's gonna shoot 407 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: right back. Mike Giardi. NFL Network does awesome stuff and 408 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 1: he's joining us for the first time on the Around 409 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: the NFL podcast. What's up, Mike? Feel like a hug? 410 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 1: I'm good. Greg doesn't like human touches. Is like a 411 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 1: warm hug, you know from the Fox Borrow area. Mike, 412 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: you are as plugged in as anybody into Patriot Nation 413 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 1: right now. What is the vibe right now around this team? 414 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 1: Do you sense nerves in and around uh the Patriot 415 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 1: Way or is this team really buying into the revenge tour? 416 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: Everybody's against us, so we have nothing to lose. Where 417 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,400 Speaker 1: Where are you picking up over there? Yeah? I mean 418 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,360 Speaker 1: I think the fan base is and is like right, 419 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: they're they're nervous. You know, this is uh not something 420 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: they expected. They figured they would have to buy to 421 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: give that Oneman and Brady a chance to rest up 422 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: the extra week. Anybody else's some nix and bruises and 423 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: then you know, you come out a guns of blaze 424 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:19,120 Speaker 1: and instead you know you're in. You picked a team 425 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: to draw that you didn't want. You get Tennessee, who's 426 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 1: been playing propably as well as anybody in the a 427 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 1: f C, which is playing something when you consider, you know, 428 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: the way Kansas City and Baltimore rolling in terms of 429 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: the locker room, I think they flushed that Baltimore game 430 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 1: out pretty I mean, rather the Miami game out pretty quickly. 431 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: But I do sense that there is a I don't 432 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 1: know what we are kind of vibe about them right now, 433 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 1: and that is again pretty unusual. I mean, we've had 434 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 1: periods where maybe the offense doesn't know what they are 435 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: the defense, but somebody had some idea, and I think 436 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: right now, I don't think they know what they are offensively, 437 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: and I don't think they know what they are defensively, 438 00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: which is kind of crazy to think after the first 439 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 1: you know, seven eight weeks the season, when nobody could 440 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: do anything against him, when we watched Brady play, and 441 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 1: then you look at his numbers from the last three 442 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 1: months where he is among the two or three worst 443 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,919 Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the NFL. He can't throw outside the numbers, 444 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: He's terrible, and it's pressure at this point, do you 445 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: see it as just a testament to his greatness and 446 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 1: what he accomplished last January that nobody, and I mean 447 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: nobody is suggesting he's completely washed up like two thousand 448 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 1: fifteen Peyton Manning. Yeah, I think people are afraid and 449 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 1: have been afraid, not just with him but with the 450 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 1: team in general, of shoveling dirt on him. Because even 451 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: last year, you know, you lose those two games in 452 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 1: December back to back for the first time since it 453 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: was two thousand something, outrageous, right, And then you know 454 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 1: they get some easy wins over Buffalo and the Jets, 455 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: and somehow those two games against two inferior opponents, and 456 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: they were especially the Jets were really bad last year. 457 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: Somehow bad allowed them to flip the switching game confidence. 458 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: Uh um. So I think people are lea of doing that, um, 459 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: because they have somehow answered the bell and all kinds 460 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: of different areas in places, and Brady of course being 461 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 1: one of those guys. And I just from a physical standpoint, 462 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: he's not great. What's your gut what's your gut? Feel 463 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: on his elbow right now? So he an the reporter 464 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: a few weeks ago he asked tennis elbow, which is 465 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 1: it's kind of a broad term, but why is he 466 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: playing tennis? Exactly? He should be laying off all that 467 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 1: stuff and just worried about throwing the football. But so 468 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: it's a degenerative condition. But that doesn't mean like, oh, 469 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 1: the elbow is about to fall off like Roethlisberger had 470 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 1: happened to him earlier this year. This is one of 471 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: those things where because of the amount of times he's 472 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: storing a football and the amount of abuse his body 473 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: has taken over years, that has sort of added up 474 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: in some wear and tear there. And the way it 475 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: was described to me basically was, he's kind of like 476 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: any of us at this point of our lives, somedays 477 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 1: feels better than theirs. So when we saw him against 478 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: Cincinnati three weeks ago and he was a disaster, uh, 479 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: throwing the ball all over the place, spraying the football, 480 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: I mean just ducks coming out of his hand left 481 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: and right. That that was a really bad day. And 482 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: then he turns around against Buffalo and everything looks back 483 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: to normal. Seventy eight, seventy percent completion percentage. However, there 484 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: was one little caveat in that he didn't throw a 485 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 1: ball over twenty yards in that game. Um, so it 486 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: was almost as if, yeah, this is what we do well, 487 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,400 Speaker 1: but we also have to manage him a little bit. 488 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: And I think again, you saw that last week against 489 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,640 Speaker 1: Miami where maybe it just didn't feel greater. Now there's 490 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: more talk of injury. Uh. Scott Zolak, who does the color, comments, yes, 491 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 1: spread exactly. Um, he thinks he suggested that there's something 492 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: going on with his lower half. And the observation that 493 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 1: I made was why he changed footwear, which is very 494 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: odd for him to do. He's very much a consure 495 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,439 Speaker 1: of habit. But also he was jogging on the sidelines 496 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,360 Speaker 1: in the second half of the game, and I can 497 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: tell you, honestly, I don't ever remember seeing him do that. 498 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,239 Speaker 1: Now I'm not saying he's never done it. I'm just 499 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: telling you that, as someone who usually trains his eyes 500 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: on Brady, you know, whether it's on the sidelines or 501 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: on the field, I hadn't seen it. I asked him 502 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 1: about that, um, and he said, oh good, you noticed 503 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: that unopen deal. You know, he continues to insist that'll 504 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 1: be great. Not that we expect him to say, hey, guys, 505 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 1: I'm hurt. He's not going to do that. But um, 506 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 1: so now you have that specter too, where not just 507 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: the elbow is at the lower half and mechanically he 508 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: was very unsound on Sunday, which is very unlike him. 509 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 1: Um and I actually ran up by Kurt Warner and 510 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 1: Kurt I gave Kurt like eight or ten throws to 511 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: look at him basically, and every one of those Kurt 512 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 1: was like, Yeah, his mechanics are he's not marrying his 513 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: lower half with its upper hound and whether that's because 514 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 1: of injury or there was some pressure early and as 515 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 1: we seeing you know, Tom, especially these last few years, 516 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: maybe I should get hit early. He doesn't settle into 517 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: the pocket as nicely. But so I think there's a 518 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: lot of play here that you know, I don't know 519 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,159 Speaker 1: what Tom Brady is gonna look like on on Saturday Night. 520 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: I don't know that anybody who's watched him consistently over 521 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 1: the last nineteen years as the starting quarterback of this 522 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: team could say the same. Yeah, Greg but Ard, who 523 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,919 Speaker 1: does a great job writing about them too, said his 524 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: his lower body mechanics he thought were totally off. And 525 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: then I noticed you grilling him about it the Ard today. 526 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: But you did that thing where you said, you know, 527 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,479 Speaker 1: long time Tom Brady watchers were pretty interested. Were you 528 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,400 Speaker 1: kind of just afraid of getting the deaths there from 529 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 1: from Brady? There in a big spot. Um, No, I 530 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 1: don't worry about him so much. You get the death 531 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,120 Speaker 1: there from Brady Belocheck all the time. I don't worry 532 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: about him so much. But we were just kind of 533 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: in that mode. He was messing around with Tom Kern's 534 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: cell phone when he first got up there, and then 535 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: I asked him the question about, you know, his health, 536 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: and I pressed him by saying, I know you're gonna 537 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 1: love this because hey, I know he's told us before. 538 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 1: I think I had. I asked him me a month 539 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: ago about his health and he joked like, I wouldn't 540 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: tell you guys anyway, you know. So, I mean we're 541 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: kind of in that place where, um, do you ever 542 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: have that we're trying to do? Yeah, and we know 543 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: what he's trying to do, so we're just kind of 544 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,199 Speaker 1: playing off each other. You ever have that moment like 545 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 1: in the new movie The Irishman when Jimmy Hoffa's wife 546 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 1: is afraid to turn the key of the ignition outside 547 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: the teamsters in office after like a particularly contentious back 548 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: and forth with Belichick? Have you ever been afraid to 549 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: turn the key? Yeah? I mean I definitely look over 550 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: the shoulder. Um, you know I've I've had friends take 551 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: in my car just keep it to try to turn 552 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 1: the key. I wait, I gotta go over here for 553 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 1: a second. Hey, if mom, Michael Thomas can can break 554 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,439 Speaker 1: the single season receptions record, nobody right, One question for you. 555 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: I mean, you know you're your Bill Belichick. You just 556 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 1: lost to former employee Brian Flores. Now you've got Mike 557 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,639 Speaker 1: Rabel coming in is there? Do you think the Belichick 558 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 1: um has to think about these types of games against 559 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,640 Speaker 1: former pupils that knew all the internal secrets much differently? 560 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 1: And uh, and you know, assessing him this week, his 561 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: irritation level on a scale of say one to one, 562 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: how irritated is Bill Belichick with life right now? I 563 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,439 Speaker 1: would say he was about uh seven and a half, 564 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,199 Speaker 1: which which is no, no, no, how to chat? I 565 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,679 Speaker 1: was all right, I would put him, I would put him. 566 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: I would put him there right. I think we saw 567 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: him a couple of times earlier this year and the 568 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,439 Speaker 1: defense is really carrying the day um, and Brady was 569 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:34,439 Speaker 1: kind of scuffing along. He was super happy and cheery 570 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 1: and like just You're like, why, maybe it's just because 571 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: he just loved defense so much, or yeah, he's getting 572 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: secretly he's getting a pick out of the fact that 573 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 1: he's he was doing it without Brady being the local point. Um. 574 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: But yeah, I think it was fairly normal for himself 575 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 1: this week. I mean, you know, clearly the message was 576 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: we gotta get past Miami. We gotta get past it quickly. 577 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: I think when he in these games, and I think 578 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 1: obviously Flurez and O'Shea and and something they as that 579 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 1: he brought along with him had deeper institutional knowledge than 580 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: Fable because Label has been gone for a long time, Um, 581 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: but Frabel still has. You know, there are plenty of 582 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: ex patriots there as well. In TPS was here as well. 583 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: So I think I asked Belichick last week about the 584 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: sort of the game you have to play within the 585 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: game when you're coaching against someone who knows you as 586 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: well as Lauras did, and I think it sort of 587 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: holds true for this week too. It's like, well, you 588 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: can't just look at the sixty five players they ran 589 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: last week, because you know that they know that you, 590 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: you know that whole thing of you know, they know 591 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: that they saw. Then do I do this or do 592 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: I not do this? And I think you get into 593 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: that place and I think there have been times, for 594 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: as great as the Patriots have been, um and particularly 595 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 1: the offensive side with Josh, where it's almost like they 596 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,479 Speaker 1: fear you out and you're spinning the dial for a while, 597 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 1: you know, sometimes in the second quarter, maybe late second quarter, 598 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: before they finally decide this is what's gonna work and 599 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 1: let's do it. And you know, when you do that 600 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: against inferior opponents, you're usually not in trouble. When you 601 00:29:58,200 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 1: do that again as good opponents. And I think Tenney 602 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: he's a good thing. Maybe that's where you find yourself 603 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 1: in some trouble. Michael Girardi will have boots on the 604 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 1: ground for Tom Brady's final game with the Patriots. Uh, 605 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: yes or no? Real quick there, Mike, last game for 606 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: Tom Brady? Yes or no? Gut feeling, I say this 607 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 1: is his last season. I don't know if this is 608 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 1: his last game? Okay, interesting, all right? Yes or no? 609 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: And I like that. I like that. Uh, but do 610 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: you think this is the end? Alright? Interesting? Alright? So, 611 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: like Greg Rosenthal in the bio for his Twitter profile, 612 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: just as football, and that's a statement. Mike's making a 613 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 1: statement like, Uh, first of all, I separate my personal 614 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: life from my professional life. But also I didn't know 615 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: there's no bs over here. I'm a football man, I'm 616 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: a scribe, and I am a reporter that should be respected. 617 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: That all checks out, Mike, absolutely all checks Maybe maybe 618 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 1: Dan should give Giardi a follow here, I mean celebrated 619 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: on podcast. It just happened, just happened. I don't know 620 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: how that didn't happen. But now maybe Mike can follow 621 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: me back. We'll be well, will be all good anyway, Alright, 622 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: at Mike Giardi, thanks a lot for your time, buddy, 623 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: and uh enjoy watching the end of the dynasty. All right, 624 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 1: before we move on, let's unpack a little bit there. 625 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: Anything surprised us because you were the one that said 626 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: we gotta get Mike on the air, because you were 627 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: really taken aback by some of that stuff about Brady's health. 628 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 1: The reports from Giardi earlier this week, well you could 629 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: tell from looking at his tweets that he believed that 630 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: there was something legitimate going on with the elbow or 631 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: with the health anyway, and I do think we heard 632 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: some things. Some days are better better than others, and 633 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 1: we know we know that old gen the aging players 634 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: over the course of the year do worse in their 635 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,959 Speaker 1: bodies breakdown. But to me, that's how you can have 636 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: a game like the Bills game that your body does 637 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: feel better that day, and it's just it's coming out 638 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 1: of your arms smoother, And like, who's gonna doubt that 639 00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: he can muster up a good day after the careers 640 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: he said, I just don't want to be the one 641 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 1: to doubt him. I'm not either, but I would say 642 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: that like the like the concept of going into next 643 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 1: season and managing this week to week if you're if 644 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 1: you're the Patriots or you're Tom Brady and you're these 645 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 1: little things are coming up at that age like this 646 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: does feel like when he said sunset of He's been 647 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 1: saying since he's thirty eight that he wants to play 648 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 1: until he's forty five. But you don't know how you 649 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 1: actually feel until you're going going through those early forties, 650 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 1: and maybe he will that changes. He's forty two and 651 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 1: he's starting to feel more and more beat up. He 652 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: could play the September schedule until he's forty five, but 653 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: I don't know about a full six and twenty games, 654 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: can I be honest. I'll be honest here. I will 655 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: miss him when he's gone. This is not gonna last 656 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: forever as time goes. If you if your team, if 657 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: the Browns are the ANFC East, you would also struggle, 658 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 1: but with a little bit of distance. I will miss 659 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 1: Tom Brady when he's gone, and it's gonna be gone 660 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: sooner than we think potentially. Let's pick this game. Let's 661 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: talk about this. I know he did a little g 662 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 1: I mean, this is what we got other teams to 663 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 1: get to. Yeah, I talk a little Titans like we 664 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,080 Speaker 1: didn't even been even talk about. Let's talk about that. 665 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 1: I'll pick the game, will share a point mark, go ahead. 666 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: This one is impossible for me to see ahead of time. 667 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go New England Titans seventeen West. What do 668 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 1: you guys, what are you thinking? This was the hardest 669 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 1: game for me to pick, and I fall on the Patriots. 670 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,720 Speaker 1: After listen to Gardis comments, I was sort of going 671 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: back and forth. I just think there are so many 672 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 1: things that Belichick can exploit about the Titans, from their 673 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: cornerbacks being Mike get A, Dorry Jackson back looks like 674 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 1: he's back, which is which would be big. But you know, 675 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins and Michael Thomas have taken over games in 676 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 1: the last few weeks against the secondary. Julian Edelman can 677 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 1: take over this game against the secondary. The pass frump 678 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 1: brush from the Titans, which has been abysmal for the 679 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 1: last half of the season. The kicking woes. This is 680 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 1: a team that is used to scoring in the red zone. 681 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 1: What if finally facing a good defense for the maybe 682 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 1: the first time all year, the Titans have trouble in 683 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 1: the red zone and after ride out of a kicker 684 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 1: who hasn't been tested, this is one of the worst 685 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 1: kicking teams in modern football. Uh. The offensive line. Tannehill 686 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,840 Speaker 1: has the highest sack percentage of any quarterback in the league. 687 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,719 Speaker 1: There are so many little edges that Belichick can exploit, 688 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 1: and I think they get percentage points from having Belichick, 689 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 1: Brady Edelman, James White, Vanoy High Tower, these guys who 690 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 1: have done it in January. I'm just not gonna doubt 691 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 1: that they can come up with the smoking mirrors that 692 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,359 Speaker 1: they're gonna need to beat a Titans team that has 693 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 1: feasted on an awful an awfully easy schedule. And Edleman's 694 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 1: health to me, is so big though he's looking more 695 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: hurt than Brady. Uh. I will say Titans twenty two 696 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 1: or Patriots twenty two, Titans nineteen. You bring up Julian Edelman, 697 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,799 Speaker 1: he he says, he's I mean, he's been the biggest January, 698 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:52,399 Speaker 1: all hands on deck. I took the Titans to win. 699 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,759 Speaker 1: I just I didn't overthink it, just because the offense. 700 00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 1: I always just trust offense. They their offense has been 701 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 1: better than the Ravens over the second half of the 702 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 1: season in terms of I get it. But even when 703 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:09,720 Speaker 1: they play a halfway decent defense like the Saints, they 704 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 1: moved the ball, they get big plays. Some of the 705 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,839 Speaker 1: throws that Tan Hill like made lastic, Okay, they didn't 706 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 1: play they did. They didn't play anyone. They're playing the Texans. 707 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,080 Speaker 1: The throws he make, it doesn't matter who you're playing against. 708 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 1: Three or four or five of those throws were Patrick 709 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,879 Speaker 1: Mahomes like times where you're on the run and you're 710 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 1: hitting spots. And I trust the Patriots defense to come 711 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: up with a better game plan and every than everything 712 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,759 Speaker 1: that happened a week ago. But they they're they've just 713 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,840 Speaker 1: been fine on defense lately. I don't trust defense in general. 714 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 1: They haven't been dominant. Gilmore versus A J. Brown is 715 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 1: maybe the key matchup of the game, and maybe Gilmore 716 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,720 Speaker 1: comes back and has a much better performance. But Patrick 717 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 1: Chung is killing them. And the fact that the defense 718 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,239 Speaker 1: lost the game against Miami really wasn't the offense. They 719 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,879 Speaker 1: scored enough, they had good drives, they scored a couple 720 00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:59,839 Speaker 1: of times late in the game, and the defense giving up. 721 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,439 Speaker 1: As to me against a premier offense, I don't quite 722 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 1: trust it. Does anyone put any stock at all, and 723 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,479 Speaker 1: I understand will probably in this room just be laughed off. 724 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 1: But the fact that Tennessee whips New England thirty four 725 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 1: ten a year ago, different teams, different players, doesn't matter. 726 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,400 Speaker 1: I think it does because A, the record against his 727 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:22,360 Speaker 1: assistance is it's a it's proven. I mean he's against 728 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 1: his assistants. But the bigger factors, I think they struggle 729 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:29,880 Speaker 1: against big, athletic, physical teams and that's what the Titans 730 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:31,680 Speaker 1: are on offense. Their defense isn't that good. So I 731 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 1: think if this was Tom Brady's last game, I think 732 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,799 Speaker 1: he could play very well, and it's a high scoring game. 733 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 1: I have it thirty to twenty seven for Tennessee. Naria 734 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 1: laugh in the room there, Mark, I was well. I 735 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 1: was I was preparing for, you know, the response to 736 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 1: a game from a year ago. I don't. But my 737 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,120 Speaker 1: favorite brownscheme of all time is when Eric Mangini and 738 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,800 Speaker 1: a ghost ghost filled Brown's roster dropped a huge a 739 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,880 Speaker 1: bomb on Belichick. And I do think the people that worked. 740 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,560 Speaker 1: If you've worked with someone for years and years and 741 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 1: you know they're the way they prepare for a game, 742 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:07,840 Speaker 1: there is an advantage there if you're good enough to 743 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 1: take it. You know, advantage of that they know each 744 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,160 Speaker 1: other well. They they spent three days together this offseason 745 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 1: practicing together. Like, look, the Patriots have some advantage of 746 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:21,319 Speaker 1: knowing how Dan P's attacks offenses as well. That that's 747 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,239 Speaker 1: not the key. It's more just like I don't know you. 748 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,719 Speaker 1: It's an old team that the good, that doesn't have 749 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 1: like a lot of athletes peaking at the end of 750 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,879 Speaker 1: the season. This is the only only the second time 751 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 1: in the history of our show that you've picked against 752 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 1: the Patriots. Believe that it's a different year around New England. 753 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:39,920 Speaker 1: I think I picked him and I picked against him 754 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 1: a couple of times in December. Actually he was too, 755 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:47,240 Speaker 1: But you're right, it's got the first three um great 756 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,920 Speaker 1: heavyweight fighters. Little boxing analogy here the what's the west? 757 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 1: What's the last thing to go for a great heavyweight 758 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,719 Speaker 1: as they age, Uh, they'll want to to stand in 759 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,799 Speaker 1: and take a punch, take a punch, and they could 760 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 1: land a punch. You still have power. Uh. You might 761 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 1: lose your feet, you might lose your endurance, but you 762 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,200 Speaker 1: can still punch. That's the way I look at the 763 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 1: Patriots like a little bit of late period Ali this 764 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,680 Speaker 1: week where not when it got really sad, not really 765 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 1: sad Muhammad Ali. And and to continue to use this 766 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 1: boxing analogy next week and the week after. If the 767 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,719 Speaker 1: Patriots were to survive, then you have some young Mike 768 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,719 Speaker 1: Tyson's up next. So I do not think this is 769 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,560 Speaker 1: going to last long. But I do think the Patriots 770 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,480 Speaker 1: survived this week. I think that this is gonna be 771 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,480 Speaker 1: a proud team at home with the lights on, the 772 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,840 Speaker 1: crowd going nuts, and the feeling and the vibe. Uh. 773 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,160 Speaker 1: This could be Tom Brady's last game. I think that's 774 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,719 Speaker 1: gonna carry them, uh in a big way. I still 775 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:41,440 Speaker 1: think it would be a close game because I respect 776 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 1: the Titans and seeing Derrick Henry be fully healthy in 777 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,799 Speaker 1: week seventeen and going off that that would give any 778 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,399 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator to prepare for in terms of their running game. 779 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,840 Speaker 1: So that's legit. Nobody should be surprised if the Titans 780 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,200 Speaker 1: drop a bomb and it's the beginning of a new 781 00:38:58,200 --> 00:38:59,759 Speaker 1: era in the a f C. But I will pick 782 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 1: the Patriots as the old heavyweight. With one punch to land, 783 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,240 Speaker 1: I was the only one to go against to twenty 784 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:09,440 Speaker 1: four Pats over Titans. Well yeah, I mean, I firmly 785 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,080 Speaker 1: believe in Derrick Henry. I believe in Tannehill in the 786 00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 1: throws he's making. So much of this Titans offense is 787 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:19,879 Speaker 1: based on outlier success on play action and that's coming 788 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,240 Speaker 1: against bad defenses. I think you take a disciplined, great, 789 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,799 Speaker 1: not good defense like the Patriots, that play action is 790 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,799 Speaker 1: not sure to be there. The last, the last thing 791 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,160 Speaker 1: I'll say at the offensive line for the Patriots are 792 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,360 Speaker 1: coming out their two best games of the year. Rex 793 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,879 Speaker 1: Burkhead is also looking pretty good. If they have any positives, 794 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 1: it is a running game and is the lack of 795 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,880 Speaker 1: pass rush for Tennessee. That's why I think it's gonna 796 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,719 Speaker 1: be a shootout and old school uh a FC. What 797 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,520 Speaker 1: the Patriots are capable, you know, I think that. I 798 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:48,960 Speaker 1: think it's got me a lot of points. This is 799 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:50,959 Speaker 1: when we shift in a weird time in Tannehill's four 800 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,320 Speaker 1: winds in general, before we will tanneh hills four wins 801 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,920 Speaker 1: against the Patriots are more than any quarterback ever in 802 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,520 Speaker 1: the history of the Earth than Pat Manning is the 803 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,440 Speaker 1: only one of them. But it was only four. I 804 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,880 Speaker 1: don't care, like maybe he's one of these guys that 805 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,279 Speaker 1: just not scared of the Patriot basically says that the 806 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:12,239 Speaker 1: trial quarterbacks that lasted more than a few years. All right, 807 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,719 Speaker 1: let's take a breathing here from these incredible game previews 808 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:23,000 Speaker 1: to to hit some news. First of happy Thanksgiving everybody. 809 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:29,480 Speaker 1: What was that from? I mean Daniel Snyder, Redskins owner, 810 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,480 Speaker 1: opens his press conference announcing the hiring of Ron Rivera 811 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,799 Speaker 1: by wishing everyone a happy Thanksgiving. I mean that is 812 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:42,400 Speaker 1: I guess even billionaires that have conquered the business world 813 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,600 Speaker 1: can get very nervous. I've never heard anyone wish anyone 814 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,879 Speaker 1: a happy Thanksgiving in early January. What's never too late. 815 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,120 Speaker 1: It's America's greatest. That's a good way to think, and uh, 816 00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,160 Speaker 1: it's good to spread that year. I do wonder if 817 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,960 Speaker 1: you're Ron Rivera sitting down, you know, about to be introduced, 818 00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 1: and your new owners just basically wished everyone happy holiday 819 00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,160 Speaker 1: from a month plus again. You know what I'm doing. 820 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,200 Speaker 1: I'm running to the bank to make sure that check clears. Heaven. 821 00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:10,359 Speaker 1: Thanks for Heaven. All right, let's get to it. Uh. Sadly, Mark, 822 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,080 Speaker 1: we gotta start with the Browns. How did we get 823 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,960 Speaker 1: back here? We're back. We're back to the Browns being 824 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:21,279 Speaker 1: the Browns. They have fired yet another general manager. UH. 825 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,480 Speaker 1: Cleveland parted ways with John Dorsey after two years on 826 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:28,480 Speaker 1: the helm. The team announced UM made that move official 827 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,440 Speaker 1: after it was reported in multiple places. The decisions move 828 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,319 Speaker 1: on from Dorsey comes just two days after the Brian 829 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:38,560 Speaker 1: Brown's fired head coach Freddie Kitchens at the conclusion of 830 00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:42,360 Speaker 1: the regular season. UH. Dorsey had a meeting with Jimmy Haslum, 831 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,279 Speaker 1: the team owner, earlier Tuesday. The two sides, according to 832 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:50,640 Speaker 1: Tom Pellicero, UH, we're talking about possible structural changes that 833 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,960 Speaker 1: would curb Dorsey's authority as GM. But when the two 834 00:41:54,000 --> 00:42:00,360 Speaker 1: sides can't come to an agreement, Uh, it was over. Mark. Uh. 835 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,320 Speaker 1: It feels like Cleveland, even though with the better rosters 836 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,160 Speaker 1: back to square one in terms of dysfunction and just 837 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,400 Speaker 1: in general question marks about the present and the future. 838 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,960 Speaker 1: And I can't even begin to understand how you must 839 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,600 Speaker 1: feel the frustration of it all. Well, I'm of two minds, 840 00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,960 Speaker 1: because the first is there, it's just you know, more 841 00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:23,279 Speaker 1: proof that the Browns, the constant mode is sort of 842 00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,400 Speaker 1: uh developing farce. I mean whatever, whenever you think that 843 00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,640 Speaker 1: they've turned a corner, if they're actually just going in 844 00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,160 Speaker 1: a circle back to where they were before. And there 845 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,719 Speaker 1: were just a lot of you know, disturbing reports and 846 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,440 Speaker 1: whispers coming out of Cleveland that the ownership and we 847 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,440 Speaker 1: know this is not it's not shocking when you think 848 00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,359 Speaker 1: about it, but but they continue to just to be 849 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,160 Speaker 1: very impatient with all their decisions and the people they hire. 850 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,160 Speaker 1: And so the question now, and I think that the 851 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,040 Speaker 1: I've never seen the fan base this deflated because of 852 00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:51,880 Speaker 1: where they were a year ago at this time or 853 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,239 Speaker 1: let's say, seven months ago to now, but because it 854 00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,600 Speaker 1: just doesn't almost seem to matter to most people who 855 00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,239 Speaker 1: they hire. And it's two, it's to the energy easy 856 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:04,080 Speaker 1: to get excited about filling the blank coach. And from 857 00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,319 Speaker 1: the other side, though, I will say this had they 858 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,680 Speaker 1: kept John Dorsey, it would have narrowed the candidate list 859 00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,200 Speaker 1: of who was gonna come and work with that next 860 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,440 Speaker 1: team by a lot. So I think, you know if 861 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,279 Speaker 1: you're gonna keep doing this, But do you agree that 862 00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,880 Speaker 1: Dorsey wasn't the right guy to be leading the charge 863 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,200 Speaker 1: because everyone seemed to be an agreement that he was 864 00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:25,520 Speaker 1: a guy that came in the obviously inherited Sashi's bountiful 865 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:29,120 Speaker 1: gifts and had some hits, had some misses, but had 866 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,040 Speaker 1: some big hits that to me, it all feels a 867 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,240 Speaker 1: little premature to to take him out of the equation. 868 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,680 Speaker 1: But also this organization is done, is a straight firing, right. 869 00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,399 Speaker 1: They just they couldn't have different visions on how they 870 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,120 Speaker 1: saw the football operation going for I think they wanted 871 00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:44,920 Speaker 1: to keep him, and they talked about how much they 872 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,400 Speaker 1: liked him, but that John Dorsey is probably very prideful. 873 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,040 Speaker 1: It's not going to take it. What is it? What 874 00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,120 Speaker 1: is when you're changing title it to demotion? What else 875 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,640 Speaker 1: is it? And the thing is he he it's it 876 00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,280 Speaker 1: was his decision number one too to go with Freddie 877 00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:01,359 Speaker 1: Kitchens and they ignored Paul deep A down does recommendations 878 00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,239 Speaker 1: of Kevin Stefanski, Um do you Podesta also wanted Sean 879 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,000 Speaker 1: McDermott in the past, so I think what they were 880 00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,759 Speaker 1: kind of saying was we kind of trust Pauli Podesta's 881 00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:11,600 Speaker 1: voice in this at this time around. And that's not 882 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,440 Speaker 1: something that just again it's a it's a super fired 883 00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,560 Speaker 1: Dorsey for hiring Kitchens more basically, and I think you 884 00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,160 Speaker 1: have to deal with it's a stunning fall. Though. We 885 00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:24,480 Speaker 1: were at the owners meetings and uh, at that point, 886 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,000 Speaker 1: John Dorsey was the toast of the NFL. I ranked 887 00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,719 Speaker 1: him in the top five of my GM rankings and 888 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:32,719 Speaker 1: no one, no one said, oh, that's that's too high. 889 00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:36,160 Speaker 1: I mean, like it was very recent that who was five? 890 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,560 Speaker 1: I mean, oh, who was right behind him? Thomas de 891 00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:42,440 Speaker 1: Mittrof was five, Kevin Colvert three. But it is amazing 892 00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,359 Speaker 1: how much a talent he acquired in a short time 893 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,839 Speaker 1: and he's gone. But I think they've gotten it wrong 894 00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:49,800 Speaker 1: so many times of not having the GM in the 895 00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,239 Speaker 1: coach aligned that act. I do like, I like, I 896 00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,759 Speaker 1: think that needs to be on the same page at 897 00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,200 Speaker 1: every time, So I'm fine with it. It's deflating to 898 00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,000 Speaker 1: the point of heartbreak for for Browns. Fans that last year, 899 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,320 Speaker 1: at this time, this job was seen as one of 900 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,640 Speaker 1: the most coveted in the league with a young, talented nucleus, 901 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,960 Speaker 1: and you're finally gonna bring the winner to Cleveland. And 902 00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,799 Speaker 1: now it's seen you're reading stories that executives say, that's 903 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,279 Speaker 1: the one place I would not go, and you're right 904 00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,719 Speaker 1: back to where you were. I think it's like, if 905 00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,520 Speaker 1: you know some of these coaching truths scenarios where Kyle 906 00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,840 Speaker 1: Shanahan has a number of people interviewing with the Browns, 907 00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,960 Speaker 1: he was there, he's he he demanded his way out 908 00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,080 Speaker 1: of the building. You've got you know, the Bill Belichicks 909 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,480 Speaker 1: of the world are gonna be telling these guys be 910 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,640 Speaker 1: careful because yes, it's great for you to go on 911 00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,520 Speaker 1: and get a head coaching job, but the d n 912 00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,680 Speaker 1: A here is that you won't be there four days. 913 00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:41,040 Speaker 1: Hasn't made it clear in his press conference to Thursday 914 00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,120 Speaker 1: that the coach would be part of hiring the GM, 915 00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,080 Speaker 1: which sounds weird, but at the heart though, that's fine. 916 00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,120 Speaker 1: But it means that the coach is ultimately the GM's boss. 917 00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:51,799 Speaker 1: If you get hyper and that's fine as long as 918 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,040 Speaker 1: the find ahead of time. If that helps them get 919 00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,319 Speaker 1: McDaniels or Stefan's gear, whoever it is that they want 920 00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,680 Speaker 1: in the door. That's fine. It's makes it clear that 921 00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,799 Speaker 1: it's the coach that's in charge and function and dysfunction 922 00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:07,480 Speaker 1: always starts at the top in sports. And since the 923 00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,600 Speaker 1: Hasms joined there on their fifth took over the team 924 00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:14,120 Speaker 1: there on their fifth coaching search in seven years, and 925 00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,839 Speaker 1: John Dorsey is the fifth different person or group heading 926 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,759 Speaker 1: up the football operation in that same seven year. That 927 00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,919 Speaker 1: has to be unprecedented. I mean there are at least 928 00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,360 Speaker 1: at least the third that only had one year, really, 929 00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,120 Speaker 1: which is while all right, Uh, We'll continue to track 930 00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,800 Speaker 1: all the Browns news and I'm sure there will be 931 00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,240 Speaker 1: a bunch of it. Um. I can't believe this. On Monday, 932 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:42,840 Speaker 1: we did our New Horizons Monday podcast detailing the comings 933 00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:48,440 Speaker 1: and goings of coaches, gms and whatnot, and we were 934 00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,799 Speaker 1: a Jason Garrett that's not done yet, and we were like, oh, 935 00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,560 Speaker 1: I wish for the show was taped later. We're taping tomorrow. 936 00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,720 Speaker 1: We get no, it's still as of right now, Jason 937 00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,520 Speaker 1: Garrett is still employed by the Dallas Cowboy. There's been 938 00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,120 Speaker 1: multiple meetings Jane Slater uh, friend of the show has 939 00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,360 Speaker 1: been tracking this closely, and there's a meeting scheduled for 940 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:09,200 Speaker 1: today Thursday. It just it just doesn't end greg or 941 00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,040 Speaker 1: does it. And there's also now their speculation are they 942 00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,000 Speaker 1: trying to keep Jason Garrett with the organization. It all 943 00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,160 Speaker 1: just feels like the most Cowboys thing possible here. Well, 944 00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,239 Speaker 1: he's been there, Jason Garrett for his whole career as 945 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,000 Speaker 1: a player a coach. It's probably the person other than 946 00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,080 Speaker 1: you know, his son, that Jerry Jones is closest to 947 00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,080 Speaker 1: that's ever been in that organization. So I don't know, 948 00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,759 Speaker 1: maybe the team passed the role is open, you know, 949 00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,719 Speaker 1: put him in the front office. I don't know Garrett, 950 00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,520 Speaker 1: it's it's taken so long that some people are wondering 951 00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:41,200 Speaker 1: maybe he could coach. But I do think that Jones 952 00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:46,040 Speaker 1: is after these big name probably from the college ranks coaches, 953 00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,560 Speaker 1: and for that reason, he's not in a hurry and 954 00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,920 Speaker 1: he likes me. Are the Cowboys The question during this 955 00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,120 Speaker 1: week are they actively looking for a new coach? And 956 00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,680 Speaker 1: that's just trying to iron out Jason Garrett's role if 957 00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,120 Speaker 1: he has any, or they there's this whole thing playing 958 00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,839 Speaker 1: out and dragging out, and the Cowboys haven't started doing 959 00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,040 Speaker 1: a real search for a new I'm convinced that Mike 960 00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,000 Speaker 1: simmer is he's on the radar of Jerry Jones. It's one. 961 00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:09,960 Speaker 1: It's it's someone where when he when he made you 962 00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,200 Speaker 1: met you mentioned this the other show, Greg that Jerry 963 00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,200 Speaker 1: Jones said, I'm feeling patient. I'm not feeling impatient, but 964 00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:18,080 Speaker 1: I think Bill Barnwell nailed it. Getting more and more convinced, 965 00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,200 Speaker 1: he tweeted, Jason Garrett is going to come out of 966 00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:24,080 Speaker 1: these meetings as the new Cowboys starting quarterback. Jerry who 967 00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:25,919 Speaker 1: knows what's going to come out of this. Jerry knows 968 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:27,879 Speaker 1: he's the bell of the ball. He has his pick 969 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,480 Speaker 1: of suitors. They're the Dallas Cowboys and there's no other 970 00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,200 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys in football. He's in no hurry, so he 971 00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,400 Speaker 1: enjoys being in the headlines, even if it's a story 972 00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,680 Speaker 1: like this. Of course, Oh yeah, I think he also 973 00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:39,879 Speaker 1: it seems like the type of boss that doesn't want 974 00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,520 Speaker 1: to be seen as like the mean boss, especially the Garrett. 975 00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,560 Speaker 1: It's like he can't bring himself to fire this guy here. 976 00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:49,040 Speaker 1: We're not you know, we're family. He brought him up 977 00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:50,719 Speaker 1: like as soon as he was done playing, he put 978 00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,000 Speaker 1: him in there and said, let's turn you into a coach. 979 00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,680 Speaker 1: Jason Garrett turned down the Ravens head coaching job just 980 00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,880 Speaker 1: to stay and assistant in baltim and Dallas. We're going 981 00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,719 Speaker 1: of for John Harbaugh. Move for everybody. Uh, let's move on. 982 00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:07,400 Speaker 1: You know, it felt like the end of something. UM. 983 00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:11,640 Speaker 1: Mitchell Robinsky's Week seventeen game for the Bears, the former 984 00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,680 Speaker 1: first round pick who really flamed out in year three. 985 00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:18,240 Speaker 1: But guess what if you take his word at face value, 986 00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:22,080 Speaker 1: General manager Ryan Pace uh is on board of the 987 00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:26,640 Speaker 1: idea of Trabinsky being the team's starting quarterback in twenty twenty. 988 00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:30,120 Speaker 1: Let's hear what Mr Pace had to say. But the 989 00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,080 Speaker 1: first thing that comes to mind from me is just consistency. 990 00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:37,680 Speaker 1: You see, you see moments, you see games, Um, but 991 00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,640 Speaker 1: for him stringing together a better consistency, so you have 992 00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,239 Speaker 1: to piece them Nelly's we just need to flatten that out. 993 00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,560 Speaker 1: You need to flat it out. West. What were you 994 00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:51,440 Speaker 1: surprised to see? And hear this well from the from 995 00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,880 Speaker 1: the standpoint of having gone through that Bear season and 996 00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,919 Speaker 1: watched all their games. Um, that's surprised that they were, 997 00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:01,319 Speaker 1: I guess, so steadfast in their decision to stand behind Mr. 998 00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,880 Speaker 1: R Biski. But you're not surprised when you realize how 999 00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,080 Speaker 1: much these people have invested in the person and the player. 1000 00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,080 Speaker 1: And I look at a guy like Baker Mayfield, who 1001 00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,640 Speaker 1: when I watch him play terrible season, I still believe 1002 00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:15,839 Speaker 1: because of what I saw last year that he's going 1003 00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,719 Speaker 1: to have a great career and I'm not even invested 1004 00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,640 Speaker 1: in him. Take somebody like Ryan Pace and Matt Maggie 1005 00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,680 Speaker 1: who are invested in Mitts Drabinsky, and it's not surprising 1006 00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:27,080 Speaker 1: to me that they still have that belief that what 1007 00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,920 Speaker 1: they originally saw is there. Well, the one, yeah, and 1008 00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:33,040 Speaker 1: I think you know he picked him, So it's it's 1009 00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,759 Speaker 1: it's on Ryan Pace if suddenly two years in your 1010 00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:37,880 Speaker 1: you know, to stay it on your record forever. If 1011 00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,640 Speaker 1: you cut ties now, it might be, but it's a 1012 00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,960 Speaker 1: bigger stain to keep him and then I'll get fired 1013 00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,000 Speaker 1: next year, which is what's going to happen. That's I 1014 00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:49,000 Speaker 1: totally agree. And I think this is like the the 1015 00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,440 Speaker 1: number one thing I would want in in my GM 1016 00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,680 Speaker 1: is someone because listen, these guys are it's a crapshoot, 1017 00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:56,200 Speaker 1: Like all these draft picks you have, you don't know 1018 00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,399 Speaker 1: if it's gonna work out or not. You've you've given 1019 00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,400 Speaker 1: him two years, you've given him thirty something games. It 1020 00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:05,359 Speaker 1: acknowledged that you've made the wrong choice at quarterback and 1021 00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,279 Speaker 1: say I'm here because I'm gonna be I'm gonna be 1022 00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,120 Speaker 1: big enough to say we're gonna get a new quarterback 1023 00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,839 Speaker 1: or at least bringing competition. That's exactly what I don't 1024 00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,120 Speaker 1: want to hear, is this confirmation of a bad decision. 1025 00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:16,800 Speaker 1: And we just believe in him and he's got to 1026 00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,080 Speaker 1: be consistent. We're gonna hear a whole offseason about his 1027 00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,000 Speaker 1: footwork and him you know what, Mitch Robinsky from the 1028 00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,239 Speaker 1: neck up, and I elam already exhausted by it. Maybe 1029 00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,040 Speaker 1: it proves that they to be untruthful and that they 1030 00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,879 Speaker 1: do sniff around at Cam Newton or picks, and then 1031 00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,560 Speaker 1: I would understand that more because it seems like it's 1032 00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,440 Speaker 1: so rare that there's just an obvious right and wrong 1033 00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,920 Speaker 1: decision from the outside. Keeping Rabinsky and going down with 1034 00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:43,400 Speaker 1: the ship is the wrong decision. He started forty one games. 1035 00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,000 Speaker 1: I mean, he's been the starter for two and a 1036 00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:49,040 Speaker 1: half seasons. You've seen enough like the ceiling is so low, 1037 00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:53,760 Speaker 1: and I think more guys get fired in paces position 1038 00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,880 Speaker 1: by sticking to the wrong decision. Instead of just admitting 1039 00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:01,840 Speaker 1: that it's right, I would just say we should be 1040 00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:05,000 Speaker 1: aware not to take this too much at face value, 1041 00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,560 Speaker 1: what he's saying right now, and how they actually go 1042 00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,239 Speaker 1: about their offseason planned, because I think what makes the 1043 00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,720 Speaker 1: most sense is, I know there's so much Mitch Robinsky 1044 00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:14,879 Speaker 1: kind of exhaustion. It's like, get him off the team, 1045 00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:16,160 Speaker 1: get him out of the league, get him out of 1046 00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,640 Speaker 1: the country. But what probably makes more sense is to 1047 00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,040 Speaker 1: do what the Titans did this year, which is you 1048 00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,319 Speaker 1: take your failed first round pick, you keep him in 1049 00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,760 Speaker 1: the building, you go get a better backup, like Andy 1050 00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:28,960 Speaker 1: Dalton say, you gotta do better than Chase Daniel, and 1051 00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:30,640 Speaker 1: then you let it all kind of sort out and 1052 00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:34,319 Speaker 1: maybe the backup hits maybe somehow Trabinsky puts together and 1053 00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,479 Speaker 1: you give yourself a chance and maybe even save face 1054 00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:38,799 Speaker 1: in the process. That's I would be stunned if that's 1055 00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:40,719 Speaker 1: not the route they actually take, especially after what we 1056 00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,040 Speaker 1: saw how it can work in Nashville. It's always a 1057 00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,880 Speaker 1: conundrum with young quarterbacks, because I go back to this 1058 00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,759 Speaker 1: Mike holmbring quote from like five years ago when he's 1059 00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:52,200 Speaker 1: talking about developing young quarterbacks and choosing one. You find 1060 00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,640 Speaker 1: the one you believe in, and no matter what happens, 1061 00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,640 Speaker 1: no matter what, you stand behind him every time you 1062 00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,359 Speaker 1: talk about him to your team, to the media. This 1063 00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,399 Speaker 1: is the most important part of quarterback development. Always stand 1064 00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,800 Speaker 1: behind that quarterback. And if you bring in and Andy Dalton, 1065 00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:08,960 Speaker 1: you shatter that a little bit. And the Titan said, 1066 00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,080 Speaker 1: we don't care what we do to Marcus Mariotta. It's 1067 00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:12,879 Speaker 1: reached the point where we can't rely on him. Let's 1068 00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,440 Speaker 1: bring in someone else. All right, let's move on. Cycling 1069 00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,480 Speaker 1: back to the Redskins. Yes, they officially named Ron rivera 1070 00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,680 Speaker 1: head coach. RIVERA fifty seven is the seventh head coach 1071 00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:26,440 Speaker 1: hired hired by Daniel Snyder um big Thanksgiving Fan Washington, 1072 00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,200 Speaker 1: of course, fired Jake Gruden after that oh and five 1073 00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:33,520 Speaker 1: start after five plus seasons. Bill Callaghan greg thought he 1074 00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:35,120 Speaker 1: did a nice job. He was three and eight the 1075 00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:38,799 Speaker 1: rest of the way. And in other news, Jack del Rio, 1076 00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,400 Speaker 1: I mean he improved the winning percentage by an diffinity. 1077 00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:45,799 Speaker 1: Now you're right, Jack del Rio is taken off the 1078 00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:50,200 Speaker 1: Bristol roster at ESPN and installed as the defensive coordinator. 1079 00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:51,920 Speaker 1: He of course is the d C for the Panthers 1080 00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:56,279 Speaker 1: in two thousand two and the Broncos from when John 1081 00:53:56,320 --> 00:54:00,400 Speaker 1: Fox headed up those teams super Bowl winning dominant defense 1082 00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,000 Speaker 1: of Jack del Rio's in two thousand fifteen with the Broncos. 1083 00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:04,960 Speaker 1: I wonder what this does for our friend Rob Ryan, 1084 00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:09,040 Speaker 1: who was coaching the linebackers, and maybe maybe maybe he 1085 00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,160 Speaker 1: stays with Jack del Rio. I don't know what we should. 1086 00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,360 Speaker 1: We should have Rob on the show this year this 1087 00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,000 Speaker 1: offseason if he would allow it. I believe there's some 1088 00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:18,560 Speaker 1: family in the lob Roblos area. I've seen them walking 1089 00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:22,239 Speaker 1: around uh An Monica at some point. You've seen Rob 1090 00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:26,359 Speaker 1: Ryan walking around many years. It was before we had 1091 00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:29,000 Speaker 1: worked with him, so I did not you see more 1092 00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,279 Speaker 1: people walking around than anyone I know. There's gotta be 1093 00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:35,840 Speaker 1: twenty five of these anecdotes of like semi famous people's 1094 00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:40,160 Speaker 1: been living on the streets for the pastor I thought 1095 00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:44,280 Speaker 1: it was interesting. Ron Rivera and Snyder have been speaking 1096 00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:48,480 Speaker 1: for three weeks, have had pretty in depth conversations. It 1097 00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:52,400 Speaker 1: sounds like about every part of the you know, facility, 1098 00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,759 Speaker 1: how to run an organization, this and that, and then 1099 00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,840 Speaker 1: they talked to Dave Gettleman the Giants GM on Thursday. 1100 00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:00,680 Speaker 1: He was speaking with the me you and he said 1101 00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:02,759 Speaker 1: they asked him about Rivere and he said, as far 1102 00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:04,600 Speaker 1: as I knew, I turned my head around, the Redskins 1103 00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:08,120 Speaker 1: were already done with him. So it does such. It 1104 00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:11,400 Speaker 1: does help to get rid of your coach early and 1105 00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,239 Speaker 1: move early. I think the Redskins got Rivera in part 1106 00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,680 Speaker 1: because they didn't have a head coach in place in 1107 00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,920 Speaker 1: Rivera just took the you know, the first committed to 1108 00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:22,759 Speaker 1: Speaking of Getleman, did you guys hear Gettlman referred to 1109 00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:26,040 Speaker 1: his new analytics staff as computer folk. Yeah, he's got 1110 00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:30,239 Speaker 1: we got four computer guys, computer folks. Like, well, why 1111 00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:34,160 Speaker 1: he learned his lessons? Does that install competence? No? Uh no, 1112 00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:38,279 Speaker 1: I mean all right, um, like the guys are the 1113 00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:40,520 Speaker 1: best buy, you know, it's like the geeks. Yeah, we 1114 00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:45,839 Speaker 1: got the gee we got the geeks. He called them 1115 00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:49,359 Speaker 1: computer folks. Don't ever change piece. I think he does 1116 00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,560 Speaker 1: some of those things for effect. It's just my guests. 1117 00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,200 Speaker 1: The Jaguars, by the way, make it official. They do 1118 00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,560 Speaker 1: keep Doug Marone installed as their head coach and Dave 1119 00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:01,239 Speaker 1: Caldwell as their GM. So, as we kind of speculated 1120 00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:06,040 Speaker 1: on UH Monday Show, Uh, Tom Coughlin ultimately is the 1121 00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,440 Speaker 1: guy that paid for the sins of the past two seasons. 1122 00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:10,960 Speaker 1: I remember when he was the guy who was going 1123 00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,200 Speaker 1: to come in and save the sins of everyone else. 1124 00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:19,600 Speaker 1: It's amazing, It's true. And finally in the news some 1125 00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:25,719 Speaker 1: sad news. Well, the next person that sees anybody for 1126 00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:29,440 Speaker 1: anything on this field pouring them out, get him out 1127 00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:37,279 Speaker 1: of here. You don't let the crowd. One of the 1128 00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,279 Speaker 1: greatest moments in NFL history. And we'll we'll cycle back 1129 00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:42,640 Speaker 1: to that because I I could use a refresher on 1130 00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:44,600 Speaker 1: the background of that, and I know that West and Mark, 1131 00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:48,880 Speaker 1: uh you will have that for us. But yes, sad news. 1132 00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:52,000 Speaker 1: Sam Wish, who coached the Cincinnati Bengals to an appearance 1133 00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,560 Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl also coached later on with the Bucks, 1134 00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:59,560 Speaker 1: died on Thursday at the age of seventy four. The 1135 00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,640 Speaker 1: Bengals confirmed White's death Thursday with a statement from team 1136 00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:06,840 Speaker 1: owner Mike Brown. According to a report on the team's website, 1137 00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:10,600 Speaker 1: which which died at his home in South Carolina. The 1138 00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:14,879 Speaker 1: cause was melanoma. That was a brief illness. Uh. One 1139 00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:18,480 Speaker 1: of the great personalities west of the NFL in the 1140 00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:21,720 Speaker 1: eighties and uh into the nineties. Uh. How do you 1141 00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:25,120 Speaker 1: remember Sandwich. Well, you hear him raise his voice there 1142 00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,400 Speaker 1: and you know that fired up the Bengals crowd. I 1143 00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:30,120 Speaker 1: was watching that game as a as a kid when 1144 00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:31,680 Speaker 1: it How was the background of that? What is the 1145 00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:34,760 Speaker 1: story there? Cincinnati and Cleveland are big rivals from the 1146 00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:38,040 Speaker 1: same state in Ohio. Cleveland in the northeast, Cincinnati in 1147 00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:41,880 Speaker 1: the southwest, and Cincinnati has sort of this blue collar, 1148 00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:45,800 Speaker 1: down to earth image and they see Cleveland as this 1149 00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,840 Speaker 1: kind of elite Shaker heights. We've got all this money. 1150 00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:51,760 Speaker 1: You can't even control your lake, which is on fire 1151 00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:55,120 Speaker 1: all the time. It's you know, your downtown is falling apart. 1152 00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:58,000 Speaker 1: And sam which sent that to the crowd, but it 1153 00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,720 Speaker 1: belied who he was as a man. Were people throwing 1154 00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:04,040 Speaker 1: things on the field, yes they were, They were active. 1155 00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:06,400 Speaker 1: The game was shut down for a period of time, 1156 00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:11,640 Speaker 1: and there's just like a hot mike sitting around or 1157 00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:13,680 Speaker 1: whatever it was. But this is a man who used 1158 00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,439 Speaker 1: to on Sundays before games would stop by and visit 1159 00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:20,520 Speaker 1: the homeless community of Cincinnati and help out on Sunday mornings. 1160 00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:23,800 Speaker 1: He's a guy who was very soft spoken outside of football, 1161 00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:26,960 Speaker 1: and even after that clip right there happened, he went 1162 00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:29,960 Speaker 1: to Cleveland and sat in a dunk dunk tank for 1163 00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:33,000 Speaker 1: charity and had Bernie Cozy Bernie Kozar knocked him off 1164 00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:35,040 Speaker 1: and put him in the water. I mean, that's the 1165 00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:37,880 Speaker 1: kind of guy got he was in football. He was 1166 00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:41,919 Speaker 1: sort of this mad scientist offensive genius who developed Joe 1167 00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:46,640 Speaker 1: Montana and San Francisco developed the nohadle offense at Indiana University, 1168 00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:49,040 Speaker 1: brought it to the Bengals and gave them an advantage 1169 00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:52,080 Speaker 1: over every defense in the league for five or six 1170 00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,880 Speaker 1: years straight. And the best years I think of the 1171 00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,480 Speaker 1: Bengals franchise came under Sandwich. Yeah. I don't think that 1172 00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:00,720 Speaker 1: I would. I literally don't think i'd be here or 1173 00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:02,880 Speaker 1: even have an interest in working in football if when 1174 00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,960 Speaker 1: I fell in love with the Browns it wasn't just Cleveland, 1175 00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:08,920 Speaker 1: but that a f C Central before they realigned. The 1176 00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:13,520 Speaker 1: whole thing had Marty Schottenheimer and Cleveland Sam Wish and Cincinnati. 1177 00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:16,240 Speaker 1: Jerry Glanville, who is one of a kind in Houston 1178 00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:18,920 Speaker 1: at the time, and Chuck Noll, who somehow was drowned 1179 00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:21,600 Speaker 1: out by the other three because the Steelers were hot 1180 00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:26,000 Speaker 1: and cold. But Whish for all his charitable offerings, and 1181 00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:28,200 Speaker 1: you obviously everyone knew he was just this wonderful guy. 1182 00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:32,680 Speaker 1: Glanville and Wish had this bitter few that every single 1183 00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,080 Speaker 1: weekend it seemed like the Oilers and Bengals are clashing, 1184 00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,320 Speaker 1: and like Glanville won a game or two, like fifty 1185 00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:40,800 Speaker 1: one to three, when he like a more classier interaction 1186 00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:42,880 Speaker 1: between the two, you would have settled the offenses down 1187 00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:44,880 Speaker 1: that moment with with the Cleveland thing. I was on 1188 00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:46,720 Speaker 1: my couch and they broke through. They broke into like 1189 00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,120 Speaker 1: the NBC broadcast just to show that. And I had 1190 00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:51,640 Speaker 1: no news sense at all back then, but I remember 1191 00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:54,320 Speaker 1: thinking that clip is not going to go away for 1192 00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,000 Speaker 1: a really long time, which through a sixty burger on 1193 00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:00,560 Speaker 1: Glanville after all that happened. UM check out. I wrote 1194 01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:02,920 Speaker 1: about sort of a love letter to Sam Wish and 1195 01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,640 Speaker 1: in the seventies and eighties Bengals NFL dot Com Ohio 1196 01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:08,720 Speaker 1: River Offense. Check that out for a view of Sam 1197 01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:10,760 Speaker 1: which that you might not get anywhere else. I interviewed 1198 01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,080 Speaker 1: him for that piece, and he was a nice, nice man. 1199 01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:16,000 Speaker 1: He's a great example. It's a shame sometimes where you 1200 01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:18,600 Speaker 1: just wish he won that Super Bowl. So I mean 1201 01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:21,000 Speaker 1: that if Montana doesn't make that drive in the end, 1202 01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:26,040 Speaker 1: people think of champions so differently, but the impact that 1203 01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:28,439 Speaker 1: White had in terms of the offense, like, it would 1204 01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:30,240 Speaker 1: have been great if you won that one and was 1205 01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:32,400 Speaker 1: remembered that way, because that's that's the kind of legend 1206 01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:35,480 Speaker 1: he was. I remember this was years ago. This was 1207 01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:39,160 Speaker 1: after the failed Buck's tenure which just never got off 1208 01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:41,200 Speaker 1: the ground. It was when the Tampa Bay Buccaneers were 1209 01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:44,439 Speaker 1: a laughing stock for twenty straight years before Dungee got there. 1210 01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,760 Speaker 1: He gets fired. He has some health issues, including something 1211 01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:51,120 Speaker 1: that took away, uh the strength and power of his voice. 1212 01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:54,080 Speaker 1: And I remember watching an old Inside the NFL feature 1213 01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:56,040 Speaker 1: on him in the late nineties and he was working 1214 01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:58,200 Speaker 1: at a local high school as a coach. He just 1215 01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:00,200 Speaker 1: seemed like such a cool, down to earth guy. He 1216 01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:03,520 Speaker 1: had a heart transplant in so obviously he went through 1217 01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:08,400 Speaker 1: a lot in his later years before cancer, and um, 1218 01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:11,400 Speaker 1: you know it's just sad, just a person of my 1219 01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:13,960 Speaker 1: age and Greg's age, and this for me is like 1220 01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:17,800 Speaker 1: these these guys that I grew up watching too. It's 1221 01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:20,320 Speaker 1: one thing when we're talking about Barts, parts parts Star 1222 01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:22,439 Speaker 1: passing on and you're kind of digging in the history 1223 01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:24,880 Speaker 1: trying to learn about it, like I remember which when 1224 01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:28,040 Speaker 1: he was a key figure. It's sad to see uh 1225 01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:31,360 Speaker 1: hours hours after former NBA commissioner David Stern passes another 1226 01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:34,480 Speaker 1: figure from our childhood. It makes it makes you evaluate 1227 01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:39,560 Speaker 1: and I think Sam, to Greg's point about not getting 1228 01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:41,880 Speaker 1: the proper credit for the ideas and the innovation he 1229 01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:43,320 Speaker 1: brought to the league. When I talked to him, he 1230 01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:46,040 Speaker 1: had sort of made peace with that that he looked 1231 01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:49,280 Speaker 1: throughout history and the credit doesn't go to the idea man. 1232 01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:51,840 Speaker 1: It goes to the people who make the money and 1233 01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:55,520 Speaker 1: have the victories and celebrate and stand over it while 1234 01:01:55,560 --> 01:02:00,680 Speaker 1: the man has forgotten. Sounds familiar, settle so familiar. Dan 1235 01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:05,400 Speaker 1: says like that, Sam Wise dead at the age of 1236 01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:08,520 Speaker 1: seventy four, Rest in peace. Alright, that's what's happening in 1237 01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:12,600 Speaker 1: the news. And now back to wild Card weekend. Let's 1238 01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:17,080 Speaker 1: move now to the Sunday games in the NFC. Before 1239 01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:18,320 Speaker 1: we do that, I just want to let's do a 1240 01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:20,880 Speaker 1: little I I just want to check the temperature of 1241 01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:24,360 Speaker 1: the room here. Uh. We have the big four announcing 1242 01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:27,360 Speaker 1: teams all in action this weekend. Okay, So of course 1243 01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:31,480 Speaker 1: you have Seattle at Philly, Al Chris and Michelle. You 1244 01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:35,240 Speaker 1: have Minnesota at New Orleans, Buck Aikman, Andrews and Myers, 1245 01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:38,680 Speaker 1: you have at New England are thrown in there for 1246 01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:41,160 Speaker 1: the he's on the sideline. I gotta give him the respect. 1247 01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:46,080 Speaker 1: Uh Tennessee at New England Nance Romo Wolfson and then 1248 01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:51,880 Speaker 1: UH Saturday at Houston Tess, Booger and Salters. Who's your 1249 01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,600 Speaker 1: pick of those four teams? If you give one team 1250 01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:57,840 Speaker 1: to call the Super Bowl? Who would you pick out 1251 01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:02,320 Speaker 1: of those four? Mark? I think Romo is the best 1252 01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:05,560 Speaker 1: thing going right now. But I but the emotional side 1253 01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:07,720 Speaker 1: of me, and I know a lot of people don't 1254 01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:10,480 Speaker 1: seem to like the Buck Troy Aikman team. I see 1255 01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:12,680 Speaker 1: people complaining all the time. People got a condownable. I 1256 01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:14,200 Speaker 1: would just say that it's like we just talked about 1257 01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:16,520 Speaker 1: someone that is someone I grew up with in football. 1258 01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:18,440 Speaker 1: I just grew up with Troy Aikman being the thing 1259 01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:20,520 Speaker 1: for so long, and I think he does a competent 1260 01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:22,479 Speaker 1: job I know, I do. I think Romo is better. Yeah, 1261 01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:26,480 Speaker 1: but I for me, the emotional side is Aikman. But 1262 01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:30,600 Speaker 1: you're picking Romo and Wolfson, now, yeah, picking Aikman, I thought, 1263 01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:34,360 Speaker 1: I'm picking Aikman, the Aikman team with Buck and Buck, Aikman, 1264 01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:36,880 Speaker 1: Andrews and Myers. Al Right, West, I bet you well. 1265 01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:40,080 Speaker 1: To me, Romo ranks with John Madden as the best 1266 01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:44,120 Speaker 1: ever and he has heading shoulders above anybody currently doing it. 1267 01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:46,760 Speaker 1: That said, Troy Aikman, I think has improved a lot, 1268 01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:50,520 Speaker 1: and nobody pulls more information from the pre production meetings 1269 01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:53,520 Speaker 1: than Troy Aikman and just dropped little nuggets throughout the broadcast. 1270 01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:55,600 Speaker 1: He's really improved a lot. Good call, and I think 1271 01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:58,040 Speaker 1: he still went with Yeah, Romo is just in his 1272 01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:02,080 Speaker 1: own league. You mean he danced Romo own Wolfson. Romson's 1273 01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:07,880 Speaker 1: great too. Wilson's got that's super Bowl classics. I'm going CBS. UH, 1274 01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:10,920 Speaker 1: it's a tight one over NBC. The production at NBC 1275 01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:14,120 Speaker 1: is uh is pretty special. Like everything along with the 1276 01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:17,360 Speaker 1: name Chris al everything. Michelle like, that's all great, that 1277 01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:20,840 Speaker 1: the production, the presentation, I love it all. But I'm 1278 01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:23,560 Speaker 1: with West in terms of Romo carries a day because 1279 01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:26,400 Speaker 1: of him. Uh, And I think Joe Buck deserves a 1280 01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:28,280 Speaker 1: lot more credit than he gets. I think he's excellent 1281 01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:30,840 Speaker 1: at what he does and he's gotten better. But to me, 1282 01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:33,800 Speaker 1: it's Al Chris Michelle. That's when I hear them. I'm 1283 01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:36,560 Speaker 1: watching a game that matters and is important, and Al, 1284 01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:40,520 Speaker 1: despite his advancing age, he still to me, has his 1285 01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:43,040 Speaker 1: fastball Collinsworth to me a second to none. I like 1286 01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:46,320 Speaker 1: that folksy pff vibe he's got going on and Defoy 1287 01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:48,280 Speaker 1: is knocking it out of the park on the sideline. 1288 01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:51,560 Speaker 1: That's my pick. That's we're all over the mat. All right. Now, 1289 01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:55,200 Speaker 1: let's get back to the game because it will be Buck, Aikman, 1290 01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:58,480 Speaker 1: Andrews and Myers. I got Rodney and picking games too. 1291 01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:01,480 Speaker 1: That's a big advantage for that's a moment. Give me 1292 01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:03,520 Speaker 1: more Rodney throwing his own son under the bus for 1293 01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:07,320 Speaker 1: his poor game. Matt Casey producing Football Night in America. 1294 01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:11,080 Speaker 1: Have a couple of pops with Casey in Miami, is 1295 01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:14,120 Speaker 1: my guests. All right, let's uh talk about the game 1296 01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:17,560 Speaker 1: at the super Dome. So you have the Vikings tenant 1297 01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:22,640 Speaker 1: six West coming off. You know, a no show on offense, 1298 01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:25,240 Speaker 1: against the Packers at home in week sixteen. They rest 1299 01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:27,000 Speaker 1: everyone in week seventeen. We had to talk in this 1300 01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:30,280 Speaker 1: very studio last week, you really want to rest all 1301 01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:32,360 Speaker 1: your guys after what you did in week sixteen. Well 1302 01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:34,400 Speaker 1: they said, we have nothing to play for, we're locked 1303 01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:36,240 Speaker 1: in and we just want to get right. And you 1304 01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:38,520 Speaker 1: can't really argue with that either. But now they get 1305 01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:41,200 Speaker 1: the Saints, who who was humming more than the Saints 1306 01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:43,760 Speaker 1: was forty points per game their last four weeks, and 1307 01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:47,320 Speaker 1: it just seems like a total team uh soaring right now? 1308 01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:49,600 Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on this one? If I've learned 1309 01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:52,560 Speaker 1: one thing from Greg Rosenthal over the last six seven years, 1310 01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:56,160 Speaker 1: it's that when every single person in the football watching 1311 01:05:56,200 --> 01:06:00,080 Speaker 1: world is on one team, look out, look out for 1312 01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:02,840 Speaker 1: the tricks coming your way, for the opposite to happen. 1313 01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:06,160 Speaker 1: So I'm almost like you. You prepare for this game 1314 01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:08,560 Speaker 1: and you just you start looking for reasons why the 1315 01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:12,040 Speaker 1: Vikings can compete. Because the Saints are not only the 1316 01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:16,240 Speaker 1: better team, they are so mentally tough, They avoid letdowns, 1317 01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:19,040 Speaker 1: they compete every They overcome injuries to their quarterback, they 1318 01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:22,320 Speaker 1: overcome injuries on on defense, they overcome a string of 1319 01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:26,400 Speaker 1: terrible calls that go against them, and they just stand 1320 01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:29,680 Speaker 1: there and take it with toughness. But I can make 1321 01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:31,320 Speaker 1: a case for the Vikings if you want me to. 1322 01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:34,840 Speaker 1: I would love to hear it. Well. The forty Niners 1323 01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:38,480 Speaker 1: run a similar offense to the Kubiak Stefanski offense with 1324 01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:41,480 Speaker 1: play action and rollouts. They dropped forty eight points on 1325 01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:44,840 Speaker 1: the Saints a few weeks back, so they're susceptible to 1326 01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:49,840 Speaker 1: that offense. And while Kirk Cousins record it's terrible in 1327 01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:54,640 Speaker 1: primetime games, his stats are actually quite healthy. In primetime games. 1328 01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:58,320 Speaker 1: He has a near one passer rating, sixty seven completion rate. 1329 01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:03,160 Speaker 1: And I think the title of cousins memoir should probably 1330 01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:09,880 Speaker 1: be numbers that be lie the reputation numbers. Uh, here's 1331 01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:12,520 Speaker 1: where a second playoff game. Here's where I stand on 1332 01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:15,919 Speaker 1: this one wash And you and I have had well 1333 01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:18,000 Speaker 1: what seems like differences, but then what it turns out 1334 01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:20,240 Speaker 1: where maybe not so far off. And Kirk Cousins, I 1335 01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:22,720 Speaker 1: think Kirk Cousins is in a great spot this weekend 1336 01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:25,919 Speaker 1: if you want to play that game of like, Kirk 1337 01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:29,440 Speaker 1: Cousins doesn't come up big when it matters most Uh, 1338 01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:32,920 Speaker 1: there there's the Vikings can play that nobody believes in 1339 01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:35,600 Speaker 1: his card this week and legitimately because nobody believes in 1340 01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:37,960 Speaker 1: them right now, and they're not nearly as bad as 1341 01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:41,000 Speaker 1: they looked. Uh in the last couple of weeks. They 1342 01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:44,520 Speaker 1: couldn't be. They couldn't be. And what has happened here 1343 01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:48,840 Speaker 1: the deflation of their expectations combined with the Saints rising 1344 01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:52,400 Speaker 1: the way they did over the last few weeks puts 1345 01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:54,320 Speaker 1: put its Cousins. I feel like in a spot where 1346 01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:56,920 Speaker 1: he could be loose and free and just slinging around. 1347 01:07:57,120 --> 01:07:59,320 Speaker 1: It's not the worst matchup be there against the Saints 1348 01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:03,040 Speaker 1: secondary that's deep, but they've been fine. They're missing two 1349 01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:06,040 Speaker 1: of their defensive lineman. It hasn't showed up, maybe because 1350 01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:09,000 Speaker 1: of the opponents, maybe just because Dennis Allen is scheming 1351 01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:13,960 Speaker 1: except for against Tennessee that this run defense especially should 1352 01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:17,439 Speaker 1: be vulnerable without Marcus Davenport and Sheldon Rankins. I mean, 1353 01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:20,120 Speaker 1: if you think back to that Minneapolis miracle game. I mean, 1354 01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:23,000 Speaker 1: Sheldon Rankins was reckoned shop in that game. He's no 1355 01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:25,320 Speaker 1: longer on their team. And the biggest thing with the 1356 01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:27,200 Speaker 1: Vikings is they're not the same team as they were 1357 01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:30,000 Speaker 1: even two weeks ago. If Adam Theland and Dalvin Cook 1358 01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:33,000 Speaker 1: are actually Adam Theland and Dalvin Cook, it's the first 1359 01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:35,200 Speaker 1: time they've been on the field together since Week six. 1360 01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:38,360 Speaker 1: This is the most balanced team that's playing this weekend. 1361 01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:40,280 Speaker 1: If you just look at who's in the top ten 1362 01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:43,000 Speaker 1: of of d v O A like, it's the Vikings 1363 01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:45,720 Speaker 1: and the two teams with home field advantage. They're They're 1364 01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:48,639 Speaker 1: a pretty high ceiling team. And I do think Cousins 1365 01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:51,000 Speaker 1: can keep up in a shootout. It's just can the 1366 01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:54,439 Speaker 1: Vikings defense keep up. I don't know about that Cooking. 1367 01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:58,799 Speaker 1: If those guys are healthy, and that's a huge everything's different. 1368 01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:00,840 Speaker 1: Well you could say it, but all right, well, I mean, 1369 01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:03,840 Speaker 1: but he's and Alexander Madison is practice. You got your 1370 01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:06,400 Speaker 1: full backfield back. The Saints have not allowed a hundred 1371 01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:08,639 Speaker 1: yard rusher in forty two games, which is the longest 1372 01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:11,040 Speaker 1: streak in the NFL. And I hear about the injury 1373 01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:13,080 Speaker 1: they started two of the last few weeks. I mean, 1374 01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:15,880 Speaker 1: the Titans ran on them pretty good with without that's fine, 1375 01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:17,880 Speaker 1: but I look at an offense that is absolutely fire. 1376 01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:19,960 Speaker 1: And also I'm locking the Saints up. Let's start right there. 1377 01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:22,360 Speaker 1: Do you know what the problem is with his Vikings 1378 01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:26,679 Speaker 1: team and or five problems with him a defense that 1379 01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:29,240 Speaker 1: that is not as good as its reputation and starts 1380 01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:33,360 Speaker 1: with the cornerbacks who allow us seventy three percent completion 1381 01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:36,000 Speaker 1: rate and one ten passer rating on the season. Xavier 1382 01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:38,200 Speaker 1: Rhodes is having one of the worst seasons by a 1383 01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:42,080 Speaker 1: cornerback that Pro Football Focus has ever recorded, and the 1384 01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:44,840 Speaker 1: film backs it up. He looks slow, He's getting burnt 1385 01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:48,360 Speaker 1: every week. I like, what like this time of year two? 1386 01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:52,360 Speaker 1: I mean, coaching advantages matter and Sean Payton is at 1387 01:09:52,360 --> 01:09:54,960 Speaker 1: the top of the game, and Mike Zimmer to me, 1388 01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:57,879 Speaker 1: that's fine, But like I he, I just don't trust 1389 01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:00,760 Speaker 1: the Vikings to go into the into New Orleans and 1390 01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:02,920 Speaker 1: win this game. There's nothing about what the Saints are 1391 01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:04,920 Speaker 1: doing of late that suggests to me that they're gonna 1392 01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:07,360 Speaker 1: just get dropped in this. Well. They're an example of, 1393 01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:09,960 Speaker 1: like I think, the risk of building around defense. So 1394 01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:12,839 Speaker 1: so many of those guys have been paid so much 1395 01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:15,599 Speaker 1: and they've been together so long, but if they show 1396 01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:17,920 Speaker 1: up in New Orleans and they can't hold them under thirty, 1397 01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:19,639 Speaker 1: it's like, what's the point. They are not the same 1398 01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:22,160 Speaker 1: team on defense either, because it sounds like they're there's 1399 01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:24,519 Speaker 1: a real chance they're gonna be missing their most valuable 1400 01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:27,559 Speaker 1: defender I think this year, which was Eric Kendricks, and 1401 01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:30,200 Speaker 1: that's that's a pretty big time injury. And you look 1402 01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:34,080 Speaker 1: at what the Vikings do well on defense, it's Kendricks 1403 01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:38,840 Speaker 1: and bar but it's really he's pretty good. It's it's 1404 01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:41,720 Speaker 1: the guys on the edge, it's Hunter and Griffin, but 1405 01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:44,320 Speaker 1: they're going up against the best tackle combination in the league. 1406 01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:46,200 Speaker 1: I mean, Ryan ram Checks on your All Pro team, 1407 01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:51,360 Speaker 1: Terron I'mstead's top five left tackle according to PF Eric McCoy, 1408 01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:53,720 Speaker 1: who came in and everyone was worried about, Okay, we're 1409 01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:56,240 Speaker 1: gonna have to replace Max Hunger has been a huge upgrade. 1410 01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:58,519 Speaker 1: He could have been a pro bowler. This is at 1411 01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:00,639 Speaker 1: least the top two or three off iNTS of line. 1412 01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:03,439 Speaker 1: You don't get to keep them all together forever. And 1413 01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:05,439 Speaker 1: like this is the time for the Saints, I mean 1414 01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:07,960 Speaker 1: Drew Brees with time and Sean pay and cooking because 1415 01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:10,080 Speaker 1: like you say, Minnesota, you called the Vikings the most 1416 01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:12,160 Speaker 1: balanced team in the playoffs based on dv O A 1417 01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:15,360 Speaker 1: and other numbers based other than the off other than 1418 01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:18,840 Speaker 1: the computer focus. Would you call this anything less than 1419 01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:22,280 Speaker 1: a utter shock? If the Vikings won this game, I 1420 01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:24,320 Speaker 1: would be shocked. I would. That's why I'm locking up 1421 01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:27,479 Speaker 1: the Saints too, But I wouldn't be surprised that if 1422 01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:30,519 Speaker 1: it's if it's back and forth, it's competitive. The Saints 1423 01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:32,240 Speaker 1: have given up a lot of big players in the 1424 01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:35,280 Speaker 1: passing game, and I do think the Vikings can be 1425 01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:37,160 Speaker 1: a big play type of So I could throw a 1426 01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:40,519 Speaker 1: hill Mary, lock the Vikings and have a lock off 1427 01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:42,080 Speaker 1: with Greg because I'm one behind them right now. But 1428 01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:44,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna save that hill Mary for down there. But 1429 01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:46,320 Speaker 1: you don't have to do that your game, I'm saying 1430 01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:48,880 Speaker 1: I do. I'm waiting. I'm waiting. I'm in a different situation. 1431 01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:51,719 Speaker 1: I'm two games out and now the two guys ahead 1432 01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:54,559 Speaker 1: of me have both locked up the Saints. You could 1433 01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:56,280 Speaker 1: be in fine shape. I would have locked up the 1434 01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:59,120 Speaker 1: Saints as well. But now from that standpoint, where does 1435 01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:01,400 Speaker 1: it get me? And you might need to make a 1436 01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:04,599 Speaker 1: decisive move in a memorable move. I'm gonna hold for now. 1437 01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:08,240 Speaker 1: I have to think about this further. We got to hold. Um, 1438 01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:11,080 Speaker 1: let's pick this game. I think we know kind of 1439 01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:14,080 Speaker 1: the direction where everyone's going. But go ahead. Uh, Saints 1440 01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:21,320 Speaker 1: fifty Vikings twenty four wes. Uh. My eye test says 1441 01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:25,479 Speaker 1: Drew Brees is an exceptionally high functioning game manager right now, 1442 01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:28,880 Speaker 1: and the stats have said, I don't care about your 1443 01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:31,639 Speaker 1: eye test. He just broke records for December on how 1444 01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:33,920 Speaker 1: well he played, and they're scoring thirty five points every week. 1445 01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:38,000 Speaker 1: I think they're gonna score thirty five again. He had 1446 01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:41,360 Speaker 1: something like fifteen touchdowns and zero interceptions in December. I mean, 1447 01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:44,479 Speaker 1: if this guy's in decline, may we all be so lucky? 1448 01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:47,720 Speaker 1: I do believe that, like I said, a free and 1449 01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:51,240 Speaker 1: loose Vikings team that isn't supposed to win that will 1450 01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:53,800 Speaker 1: work their to their advantage. New Orleans defense is not 1451 01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:57,320 Speaker 1: um invincible, So I think there's gonna be points scored 1452 01:12:57,360 --> 01:12:59,760 Speaker 1: in this game. But to what you were saying, Mark, 1453 01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:02,280 Speaker 1: can I imagine a scenario which another this is a 1454 01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:06,920 Speaker 1: special Saints team, a one and done in their building? Uh? 1455 01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:10,479 Speaker 1: In a in an all time revenge game potential? Like 1456 01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:12,120 Speaker 1: when you factor all that in, this team to me 1457 01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:15,120 Speaker 1: seems destined to play championship Sunday. So how would I 1458 01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:17,600 Speaker 1: ever ever pick the Vikings. So I have to go 1459 01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:22,519 Speaker 1: with the Saints, Uh, thirty eight to thirty one. Yeah, 1460 01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:26,519 Speaker 1: I got a thirty six seven Saints. Curious to watch 1461 01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:30,000 Speaker 1: generous Jenkins, who had a very good game for them 1462 01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:32,400 Speaker 1: a week ago against the Panthers, and I think it's 1463 01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:37,160 Speaker 1: gonna be their starting corner right in in Eli apples here. 1464 01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:40,760 Speaker 1: I feel bad for Mike Zimmer. He's a cornerbacks connoisseur 1465 01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:44,000 Speaker 1: and once was caught on Mike by NFL film saying 1466 01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:46,000 Speaker 1: I could get a cover two corner anywhere. I can 1467 01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:47,840 Speaker 1: go down to seven eleven tomorrow and get a cover 1468 01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:50,320 Speaker 1: two corner. And now he's got bad corner a seven 1469 01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:54,120 Speaker 1: eleven near my house. All right, let's let's wrap it 1470 01:13:54,240 --> 01:13:57,360 Speaker 1: up with the late game on Sunday. It is at 1471 01:13:57,520 --> 01:14:02,120 Speaker 1: the link. Uh. The Seattle Seahawks eleven and five. Uh 1472 01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:06,160 Speaker 1: just barely missed uh winning the NFC West and the 1473 01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:08,800 Speaker 1: home game that would have went with that, But they 1474 01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:12,679 Speaker 1: got stopped at the six inch line. Remember the name 1475 01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:18,800 Speaker 1: Dre Greenwood. Remember that name down the line made the 1476 01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:24,679 Speaker 1: tackle was Dre Greenlawmber the name, well, no one else 1477 01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:28,640 Speaker 1: I didn't jump in to save that side, did you 1478 01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:31,439 Speaker 1: know it? No? I didn't even know what you were 1479 01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:33,519 Speaker 1: talking about for a second, but you actually no, I 1480 01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:36,519 Speaker 1: stand by it. I was talking about this you right. 1481 01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:39,720 Speaker 1: They think you're talking about the football player. You're who 1482 01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:42,719 Speaker 1: is what is this? He's a groundskeeper who did really 1483 01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:46,120 Speaker 1: good work and led to the Jacob Holiser losing his 1484 01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:51,840 Speaker 1: footing on that play. Dre green Law different guy, great tackle, 1485 01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:57,120 Speaker 1: but from the backer anyway. Um, the Seahawks travel to 1486 01:14:57,160 --> 01:14:59,400 Speaker 1: Philly because they lost that game. They get the Eagles 1487 01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:03,120 Speaker 1: and Eagles team that got hot in December to make 1488 01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:06,120 Speaker 1: the playoffs. But where does it lead, gregor where does 1489 01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:09,000 Speaker 1: it go? Is this an Eagles team that is a 1490 01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:12,640 Speaker 1: Cinderella story or does it end this weekend? Where are 1491 01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:14,320 Speaker 1: you coming from on this game? This? This is the 1492 01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:16,799 Speaker 1: game that I've gone back and forth on the most. 1493 01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:19,759 Speaker 1: I think for every point you make on one team, 1494 01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:21,760 Speaker 1: you could come up with another. And they both have 1495 01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:24,200 Speaker 1: a lot of weaknesses. I could at least make the 1496 01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:27,120 Speaker 1: argument that they're the two worst teams playing this weekend. 1497 01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:29,840 Speaker 1: I think it's at least possible. I mean, certainly two 1498 01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:33,080 Speaker 1: of the of the best quarterbacks, but in terms of 1499 01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:36,759 Speaker 1: what they're missing that defines so much of this game, 1500 01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:40,080 Speaker 1: Like are we getting the real Miles Sanders. I mean, 1501 01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:44,799 Speaker 1: if you're not, that's massive. We know they're because he's 1502 01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:47,519 Speaker 1: missed practice. Low grade, low ankle sprain to me doesn't 1503 01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:50,040 Speaker 1: sound serious, but he's missing practice. He's missing practice. I 1504 01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:52,360 Speaker 1: think there's some confidence he will the writers seem to 1505 01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:54,920 Speaker 1: think he'll play. But to your point, to what degree right? 1506 01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:57,280 Speaker 1: And so Brandon Books has gone. They're missing seven of 1507 01:15:57,360 --> 01:16:02,000 Speaker 1: their fourteen highest paid players. And even the strength that 1508 01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:04,800 Speaker 1: you kind of think of the Eagles having have been 1509 01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:06,719 Speaker 1: a little up and down. It's not like their defense 1510 01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:09,240 Speaker 1: has been there, uh, each and every week. Whereas the 1511 01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:12,800 Speaker 1: Seahawks they lose Michael Kendricks going into this they're still 1512 01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:17,280 Speaker 1: without Dwayne Brown. Travis Homer is clearly the better running 1513 01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:20,040 Speaker 1: bell and probably will continue to get most of the carries. 1514 01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:22,360 Speaker 1: I mean, Marshall Lynch isn't gonna save you. And they 1515 01:16:22,360 --> 01:16:24,439 Speaker 1: have they kind of defined themselves on being a great 1516 01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:25,920 Speaker 1: offense for the first half of the season. They have 1517 01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:27,599 Speaker 1: not been a great offense the second half of the seame. 1518 01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:30,160 Speaker 1: I would just say, like that's I feel like there's 1519 01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:32,920 Speaker 1: because maybe they're very banged up. There seems to be 1520 01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:35,200 Speaker 1: this sort of anti Seahawks or people down on the 1521 01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:37,760 Speaker 1: Seahawks sentiment right now. And this is a team that 1522 01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:40,920 Speaker 1: beat the forty niners a month ago, nearly beat them 1523 01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:46,120 Speaker 1: obviously days ago, and closed out a win a seventeen 1524 01:16:46,120 --> 01:16:48,280 Speaker 1: and nine over the Eagles just back in late November 1525 01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:49,960 Speaker 1: in that game. To me, there were a lot of 1526 01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:52,559 Speaker 1: big plays by Seattle that game against the Eagles defense. 1527 01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:54,960 Speaker 1: They're vulnerable and what did the Eagles do? The hot 1528 01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:58,880 Speaker 1: Eagles simply mode through a totally milk toast NFC East. 1529 01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:01,680 Speaker 1: I get it that the Goals are playing at the 1530 01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:05,200 Speaker 1: height of their powers, but this game has as many 1531 01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:09,360 Speaker 1: injuries by both teams as any playoff game in history. 1532 01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:11,639 Speaker 1: I believe it is if if it, depending on who plays, 1533 01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:13,559 Speaker 1: it could be Week one starters. It could be the 1534 01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:16,800 Speaker 1: most missing of any playoff games since the merger. Both 1535 01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:20,360 Speaker 1: teams without their leading rushers, probably unless Sanders plays and 1536 01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:23,920 Speaker 1: plays well. Both teams without their best offensive tackle. Uh 1537 01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:26,360 Speaker 1: the The Eagles could be the first team without at 1538 01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:30,800 Speaker 1: least fifty of the receiving numbers if Arts doesn't play there. 1539 01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:33,519 Speaker 1: This isn't I don't even know about Lane Johnson. I 1540 01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:37,520 Speaker 1: mean that that's a huge one for them. Too. It's outrageous. 1541 01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:40,080 Speaker 1: And the guys that are on the field, you're not sure, Okay, 1542 01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:43,080 Speaker 1: is it Jenevan Clowney that we saw against the forty 1543 01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:44,960 Speaker 1: nine five weeks ago or is it the one that 1544 01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:47,120 Speaker 1: we saw last week? Because he didn't do anything last week. 1545 01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:50,360 Speaker 1: He did not look like Jenevan Clowney. Their best pass 1546 01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:53,160 Speaker 1: rusher is Quinton Jefferson right now, which is to me 1547 01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:56,559 Speaker 1: a problem. And it's amazing how when Russell Wilson drops 1548 01:17:56,560 --> 01:18:00,719 Speaker 1: back to past it's never simple anymore. Every play he makes, 1549 01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:04,040 Speaker 1: he has to navigate inside the pocket before making it. 1550 01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:06,719 Speaker 1: So they they are a team, it's likely the game's 1551 01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:09,280 Speaker 1: one on the trenches. Their trenches are terrible. They don't 1552 01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:11,360 Speaker 1: they don't right, they don't rush the faster, and they 1553 01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:13,680 Speaker 1: don't protect Wressell Wilson. Well, you better get ready for 1554 01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:16,519 Speaker 1: the blitz because it's coming. Russell Wilson has been blitzed 1555 01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:18,919 Speaker 1: more than any quarterback in the NFL this year. Defenses 1556 01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:22,120 Speaker 1: think that's the way to beat him. Jim Schwartz blitz 1557 01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:24,519 Speaker 1: with these two teams played in Week twelve, Jim Schwartz 1558 01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:26,720 Speaker 1: blitzed him more than Jim Schwartz has ever blitzed any 1559 01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:29,840 Speaker 1: quarterback ever, it's gonna happen again. So that's gonna be 1560 01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:33,360 Speaker 1: the battle back to the injury. Talk. First with jadeveon Clowney. 1561 01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:36,880 Speaker 1: This is his contract year. Um, he's playing under the 1562 01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:40,400 Speaker 1: tag this year and he we've talked about that he 1563 01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:44,240 Speaker 1: steps up. It seems in big moments he could. The 1564 01:18:44,240 --> 01:18:46,599 Speaker 1: Seahawks could really use Clowney stepping up in this game, 1565 01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:49,120 Speaker 1: and he could really use it in terms of a payday. 1566 01:18:49,200 --> 01:18:53,080 Speaker 1: And then I think the the injury to Brandon Brooks 1567 01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:54,960 Speaker 1: kind of went under the radar a little bit in 1568 01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:58,080 Speaker 1: week seventeen, but that is the shoulder injury that takes 1569 01:18:58,160 --> 01:19:02,120 Speaker 1: him out of action. He was ranked by PFF ahead 1570 01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:04,559 Speaker 1: of Quentin Nelson, uh and I'm not saying he's better 1571 01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:08,519 Speaker 1: pla um, but he didn't finish it. But at one point, 1572 01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:11,040 Speaker 1: to my point, in one of the best run blocking 1573 01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:14,000 Speaker 1: guards in the entire league. And that's like a type 1574 01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:16,360 Speaker 1: of position that no one really pays attention to. But 1575 01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:18,720 Speaker 1: a team that needs to and wants to run the ball, 1576 01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:21,320 Speaker 1: you take one of the best run backing blocking guards 1577 01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:23,439 Speaker 1: out of the mix, that's something else they have to 1578 01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:26,400 Speaker 1: get tend with it. At what point does do these 1579 01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:29,760 Speaker 1: subtractions eventually take out the Eagles. I'm kind of with 1580 01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:32,720 Speaker 1: you guys that or some of you that this is 1581 01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:34,320 Speaker 1: a tough one to pick because you could look at 1582 01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:36,439 Speaker 1: it and then you squin and it's a different outcome, 1583 01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:38,280 Speaker 1: and then you take a step back, or like, oh no, 1584 01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:40,439 Speaker 1: it goes this way. I'm way on the fence right now. 1585 01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:42,880 Speaker 1: And it kind of comes down to, like, for it's 1586 01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:44,439 Speaker 1: gonna doesn't this seem like it's going to be a 1587 01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:48,960 Speaker 1: last drive game one of these quarterbacks seems But yes 1588 01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:51,400 Speaker 1: it does. Yeah, is this the brother in the NFC? 1589 01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:54,719 Speaker 1: Like we just we agreed before that the Bills and Texans, 1590 01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:57,400 Speaker 1: there's no a f C title game participant in that game. 1591 01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:00,599 Speaker 1: Do we feel the same about this game the NFC? 1592 01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:05,439 Speaker 1: I do, unless they got lucky and the Vikings you know, 1593 01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:07,800 Speaker 1: one on you know, earlier in the day, and then 1594 01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:09,960 Speaker 1: the winner is going to Green Bay and that's a 1595 01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:12,200 Speaker 1: different route. But most likely the winner here is going 1596 01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:16,240 Speaker 1: to San Francisco, and that would be great for Seattle already. 1597 01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:18,280 Speaker 1: I lean on the fact that Seattle has been in 1598 01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:19,840 Speaker 1: a lot of tough games. I've picked on them for 1599 01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:22,439 Speaker 1: point differential throughout the year. It's like their point differential 1600 01:20:22,439 --> 01:20:23,800 Speaker 1: would be a lot different if they didn't have the 1601 01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:25,679 Speaker 1: second hardest schedule in the league, if they were playing 1602 01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:28,160 Speaker 1: cream puffs like the Patriots and Eagles were playing. I mean, 1603 01:20:29,160 --> 01:20:31,400 Speaker 1: are only in the playoffs because of their division? I 1604 01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:34,400 Speaker 1: mean that is that is it. They beat the teams 1605 01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:36,479 Speaker 1: in their division, They only get in because they had 1606 01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:39,040 Speaker 1: nine wins in their division, where Seattle's played good and 1607 01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:41,280 Speaker 1: bad teams very close. I would say this though, it's 1608 01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:43,160 Speaker 1: like you, no matter what the record or how they 1609 01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:46,680 Speaker 1: got there, it is a huge game for the evolving 1610 01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:50,200 Speaker 1: story of Carson Wentz because now you're here. Now you're 1611 01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:51,880 Speaker 1: at the place where you didn't have a chance to 1612 01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:54,759 Speaker 1: beat because of Nick Foles. And it's not fair because 1613 01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:58,639 Speaker 1: the team is uh compromised in many ways. But think 1614 01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:01,280 Speaker 1: about Philly media and the Philly have the counter that. 1615 01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:03,200 Speaker 1: Though you don't think it's a big deal, I think, 1616 01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:05,639 Speaker 1: like talk radio people are gonna care if he wins 1617 01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:08,880 Speaker 1: because that's the way talk radio is. But like I 1618 01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:10,880 Speaker 1: feel like what he was able to do in these 1619 01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:14,240 Speaker 1: final four weeks and really put the team on his back, 1620 01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:16,719 Speaker 1: and it's a obviously, like you're saying, a limited banged 1621 01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:20,960 Speaker 1: up Eagles team unless he totally as the bed, I 1622 01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:23,120 Speaker 1: would think he. I don't think he would get destroyed 1623 01:21:23,160 --> 01:21:24,640 Speaker 1: if they went one and done. I feel like the 1624 01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:26,880 Speaker 1: season on some of them. For the Eagles, it went 1625 01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:30,760 Speaker 1: from huge expectations to everything's lost to wow, we're in 1626 01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:32,920 Speaker 1: the playoffs and we want our division. It feels like 1627 01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:35,400 Speaker 1: they kind of won the season, and with all the injuries, 1628 01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:39,000 Speaker 1: like Carson Wentz has done a really nice job over there. 1629 01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:41,120 Speaker 1: I look at the opponents over the last month too, 1630 01:21:41,160 --> 01:21:44,519 Speaker 1: But Carson Wentz could use a few signature wins, and 1631 01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:48,760 Speaker 1: beating Seattle would matter a lot. I agree, eventually, maybe 1632 01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:52,240 Speaker 1: not entering year four of Carson Wentz so or more. 1633 01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:59,720 Speaker 1: All right, let's pick this game mark Seattle nine Eagles six. 1634 01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:03,280 Speaker 1: WHOA not even close. I don't think it's gonna lock 1635 01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:05,519 Speaker 1: it up. No, I already locked up. No, you want 1636 01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:07,080 Speaker 1: to move off that locking over to this lock No. 1637 01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:10,839 Speaker 1: I kind of like how that played up, uh Seattle 1638 01:22:12,240 --> 01:22:17,040 Speaker 1: Philly one. I'm impressed with the way the Eagles circled 1639 01:22:17,080 --> 01:22:19,639 Speaker 1: the wagons and found a way to get to the dance, 1640 01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:22,840 Speaker 1: but I'm not impressed that they had close games against 1641 01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:25,679 Speaker 1: the Giants. Twice and the Redskins to get into the dance. 1642 01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:27,919 Speaker 1: I just I just think they're playing a better opponent. 1643 01:22:28,240 --> 01:22:30,240 Speaker 1: And like Greg said, oh, come down to the final drive. 1644 01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:32,280 Speaker 1: I trust Russell Wilson with the game on the line, 1645 01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:34,519 Speaker 1: I'm with you. I think it's a close game. I 1646 01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:36,800 Speaker 1: think it's a low scoring game. I think the Seahawks 1647 01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:40,120 Speaker 1: drive down the field late, uh and and take this 1648 01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:43,519 Speaker 1: one on the road sixteen to fourteen. I hate that. 1649 01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:46,280 Speaker 1: I I picked the Seahawks on my game picks column. 1650 01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:48,559 Speaker 1: I kind of immediately changed my mind. But it feels 1651 01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:50,519 Speaker 1: like you can't do that. You're not allowed to change. 1652 01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:52,840 Speaker 1: I don't like it. We can't go into the system 1653 01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:54,920 Speaker 1: and change. All right, I'll take the Eagles on the show, 1654 01:22:54,960 --> 01:22:58,760 Speaker 1: the Seahawks and the picks. I'm kidding. That's not what 1655 01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:00,519 Speaker 1: I'm gonna stick with the Sea I that was my 1656 01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:02,160 Speaker 1: that was my gut pick. I just don't like that 1657 01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:05,360 Speaker 1: all four of us are on them. That feels uh, 1658 01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:07,680 Speaker 1: that feels ominous. There is something, and I know it 1659 01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:10,240 Speaker 1: doesn't There is something to the fact that the Eagles 1660 01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:12,400 Speaker 1: have been great, played their best in the biggest game. 1661 01:23:12,439 --> 01:23:14,519 Speaker 1: Like guys like Brandon Graham and Fletcher Cox has been 1662 01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:17,320 Speaker 1: very quiet, uh the last few weeks. Uh, you know, 1663 01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:19,960 Speaker 1: can they show up for one home playoff game and 1664 01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:22,599 Speaker 1: just to button up the locks? The more I think 1665 01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:24,280 Speaker 1: about it, yes, there will be a time where I 1666 01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:26,599 Speaker 1: need to be desperate and take chances. I'm gonna save 1667 01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:28,800 Speaker 1: that for divisional round where the games get more and more. 1668 01:23:29,240 --> 01:23:32,760 Speaker 1: Uh toss up uh like, and I will lock up 1669 01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:35,280 Speaker 1: the Saints with you guys, because just give me the W. 1670 01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:38,599 Speaker 1: I'm gonna eat the W. I love. I'm balling right now. 1671 01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:41,040 Speaker 1: Anybody that's watching knows I'm balling. By the way we 1672 01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:46,439 Speaker 1: all lose suddenly, West, is it right? Yeah, I've never 1673 01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:48,360 Speaker 1: felt more confident about a game this year. How many 1674 01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:50,840 Speaker 1: weeks are left? Four weeks total? You have three weeks 1675 01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:53,120 Speaker 1: after this, so if I'm too out two behind you, 1676 01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:56,000 Speaker 1: I still have time. But it gets really tricky. Uh, 1677 01:23:56,040 --> 01:23:58,280 Speaker 1: but it doesn't. You still have the lock trophies sitting 1678 01:23:58,360 --> 01:24:02,599 Speaker 1: on your desk despite having not wanted outright uh in eons, 1679 01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:04,800 Speaker 1: but a shared win in a couple of year before last, 1680 01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:07,840 Speaker 1: I shared win. I shared it with you. You shared 1681 01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:10,920 Speaker 1: which sticks in your crawl, which I love because because 1682 01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:13,760 Speaker 1: I charitably went like I could have just taken it 1683 01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:15,679 Speaker 1: like a like a someone that really wants to take 1684 01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:17,439 Speaker 1: their foot and just stick it on the snake Steck. 1685 01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:19,800 Speaker 1: I could have done that, but it's like it's like 1686 01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:22,000 Speaker 1: it's not good for the podcast, so we've got to 1687 01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:24,200 Speaker 1: go against each other. And then like then suddenly I 1688 01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:26,600 Speaker 1: got got a big wooden trophies, the good angel and 1689 01:24:26,600 --> 01:24:28,680 Speaker 1: a bad angel on you. When you were deciding this, 1690 01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:30,880 Speaker 1: I don't remember how it went, but I remember feeling 1691 01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:36,040 Speaker 1: kind of like slightly pressured into anyway. So yes, I 1692 01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:41,040 Speaker 1: am the two thousand eight seventeen champion champion. That was 1693 01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:42,800 Speaker 1: the same thing. I could have picked the Patriots and 1694 01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:45,120 Speaker 1: tried to tie even picked against the Pagriots last year. 1695 01:24:45,160 --> 01:24:48,920 Speaker 1: I flat out to drop a bomb on you. Everyone 1696 01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:51,120 Speaker 1: sat on it, that the president. But I do love 1697 01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:52,599 Speaker 1: that it sticks in your crawl that you didn't win 1698 01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:55,479 Speaker 1: that title well, because to be the two time outright winner, 1699 01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:58,719 Speaker 1: like it's like there's only one wooden trophy. It's sitting 1700 01:24:58,720 --> 01:25:00,640 Speaker 1: on your desk and everyone walk around. Now you have 1701 01:25:00,680 --> 01:25:04,040 Speaker 1: a trophy too. That one's bad luck anyone with that one. 1702 01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:06,240 Speaker 1: We know, but you won last year. I know, but 1703 01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:07,640 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. But then you know I do. 1704 01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:09,240 Speaker 1: I'm not want to be. I don't collect trophies. I 1705 01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:11,000 Speaker 1: just stick it back. I stick it back in the 1706 01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:12,400 Speaker 1: other side of the room. It's like, where where are 1707 01:25:12,439 --> 01:25:14,880 Speaker 1: my trophies from back to back game picks when we 1708 01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:17,800 Speaker 1: would pick every single game for this happen by one 1709 01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:22,360 Speaker 1: of those two. Peyton Manning Steve McNair shared an m 1710 01:25:22,439 --> 01:25:26,479 Speaker 1: v P in two thousand four. I believe two two three. 1711 01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:28,760 Speaker 1: I don't think it eats Peyton Manning alive. Nobody thinks 1712 01:25:28,760 --> 01:25:31,040 Speaker 1: of it that well, it didn't help to Eavy help McNair, 1713 01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:35,760 Speaker 1: so we'll see. I think two. That's an ugly side 1714 01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:37,479 Speaker 1: of you coming out more. I'm just saying like, it's 1715 01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:39,519 Speaker 1: like it's not gonna end well, probably if we are 1716 01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:43,680 Speaker 1: sharing trophies from here until the end. Okay, Now, this 1717 01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:48,160 Speaker 1: is what you need to know. A reminder that Tomorrow Friday, 1718 01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:51,759 Speaker 1: the Around the NFL TV Show and NFL Network premiere 1719 01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:55,080 Speaker 1: six pm Eastern three pm Pacific, and then it re 1720 01:25:55,160 --> 01:25:57,320 Speaker 1: air throughout the weekend. Set your DVR watch it, give 1721 01:25:57,320 --> 01:25:59,760 Speaker 1: it a shot. It's fun. It's it's not just like 1722 01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:02,080 Speaker 1: what we're doing here, although this is great, it's a 1723 01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:04,160 Speaker 1: mix of this and other stuff. And Ricky's doing a 1724 01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:07,960 Speaker 1: great job and everybody associated with our show behind the scenes. 1725 01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:12,200 Speaker 1: If you like Cats the new movie, you'll love this. 1726 01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:15,479 Speaker 1: You love the prosthetics that we use. Uh, we really 1727 01:26:15,479 --> 01:26:19,840 Speaker 1: spared no expense. And last but not least, he send 1728 01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:23,960 Speaker 1: a happy birthday out to Colleen Wolf. The history is 1729 01:26:24,479 --> 01:26:30,080 Speaker 1: very rich here Connie Fox. I'm finally doing this thing 1730 01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:37,320 Speaker 1: the Tiny Box. Oh yes, she is celebrating a birthday today. 1731 01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:39,160 Speaker 1: In fact, we saw her just this morning. We're doing 1732 01:26:39,240 --> 01:26:42,760 Speaker 1: a shoot for a segment for the network show. That 1733 01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:45,559 Speaker 1: she was nice enough on her off day. Although you know, 1734 01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:48,120 Speaker 1: Connie sneaky has a lot off days. She came in 1735 01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:51,479 Speaker 1: and uh and helped us out with a segments so 1736 01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:54,400 Speaker 1: you could check out Colleen on our network show as well. 1737 01:26:54,439 --> 01:26:57,280 Speaker 1: So good times and exciting times in the NFL season 1738 01:26:57,479 --> 01:27:00,960 Speaker 1: and for us here at the podcast, a very happy birthday, 1739 01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:03,160 Speaker 1: she said at all. I don't know about the sneaky 1740 01:27:03,200 --> 01:27:08,160 Speaker 1: off days. Oh, you know, it's not bad. It's not bad. Yeah, 1741 01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:11,920 Speaker 1: that's the awe. We're getting there. We're getting there better 1742 01:27:11,920 --> 01:27:14,719 Speaker 1: than us. All right. This is Dan Hands a signing 1743 01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:19,120 Speaker 1: off for Quiet Storm, The Mailman, The Old Boss Rick Hollywood, 1744 01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:23,320 Speaker 1: Ryan Barlett, and the whole gang behind the glass. Playoff 1745 01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:47,240 Speaker 1: football is there? Tell Saturday