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Speaker 4: The top experts. Welcome to Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron,
Speaker 4: and today we're going to be speaking with Steve Morillo.
Speaker 4: Steve attended the United States Naval Academy, where he received
Speaker 4: his Bachelor of Science degree in systems Engineering. He was
Speaker 4: commissioned an officer in the Marine Corps, attended flight school,
Speaker 4: and then served for seven years of active duty as
Speaker 4: a jet pilot and a maintenance officer for his squadron.
Speaker 4: After the Marine Corps, he worked for TRW and Aerospace Company.
Speaker 4: He also became the director of Muffon LA in two
Speaker 4: thousand and one, which he did for thirteen years, conducting
Speaker 4: field investigations and monthly meetings up until June of twenty thirteen,
Speaker 4: when he then headed up his own group called Upar's LA,
Speaker 4: the UFO and Paranormal Research Society of Los Angeles Chapter
Speaker 4: to investigate all things UFO and paranormal. Hey to see
Speaker 4: a brother right on, So, Steve, you're a train pilot
Speaker 4: and you've had some experiences and sightings that you consider anomalists.
Speaker 4: Can you share a few of those with us?
Speaker 5: First of all, never as a pilot, never has flying
Speaker 5: a jet. I never saw anything. Didn't even believe in
Speaker 5: that stuff way back then. That was back in the eighties.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: I went through my Marine Corps career like any other
Speaker 5: normal person without any idea of UFOs or didn't think
Speaker 5: about them, you know nothing. When I got out of
Speaker 5: the military, become became a satellite engineer here in Manhattan Beach,
Speaker 5: a place called TRW and I worked on a satellite.
Speaker 5: I was the electrical power subsystem engineer for a Teachers
Speaker 5: Flight seven and I did that for a couple couple
Speaker 5: of years, three years or something like that, and it
Speaker 5: was a little bit boring for me, so I got
Speaker 5: into real estate. So then fast forward probably from the
Speaker 5: late eighties early nineties to around two thousand and one.
Speaker 5: In fact, it was May of two thousand and one
Speaker 5: and I just come home from working out. I was
Speaker 5: kind of beat up. I did I still do karate,
Speaker 5: and had been a fight night. So it was a
Speaker 5: Tuesday night, pretty beat up, and we happened to have
Speaker 5: a hot tub on the roof. I put a hot
Speaker 5: tub on the roof of our house, and so I
Speaker 5: got into the hot tub.
Speaker 6: It was about nine thirty nine to twenty something like that.
Speaker 6: At night.
Speaker 5: You know, my wife has me a glass of wine
Speaker 5: and she goes, oh, I forgotten mine, and she goes
Speaker 5: back downstairs to get hers.
Speaker 6: So I'm looking out at the ocean.
Speaker 4: The key here is you're relaxing in the hot tub
Speaker 4: while the wife gives you wine and goes to that.
Speaker 4: In the last instead of you saying, well, go ahead
Speaker 4: and take this one, I'll go get the other one.
Speaker 6: I was alreadying that's what I did.
Speaker 4: I was already also meeting a picture of who Steve
Speaker 4: Morillo is.
Speaker 5: My wife's a sweetheart, dude, you know, you know she is.
Speaker 5: She is just an angel, and so you know she
Speaker 5: she had no problem with that kind of thing. But
Speaker 5: so anyway, she's downstairs. I'm looking out at the ocean
Speaker 5: and then I see these things coming towards me and
Speaker 5: it looks like a flock of seagulls, like a seagulls
Speaker 5: information like a like a triangle formation, right, and it's
Speaker 5: nine thirty at night. I'm thinking, here comes some seagulls.
Speaker 5: And then as they're coming towards me, my mind's making
Speaker 5: up the story, like why is somebody shining a spotlight
Speaker 5: on those seagulls. I literally thought there was some guy
Speaker 5: on the streets somewhere below me with a spotlight shining
Speaker 5: in on the seagulls. As they flew over my head,
Speaker 5: my mouth drops. I'm like, those aren't seagulls. And these
Speaker 5: things were triangular. If you picture like a three prong
Speaker 5: ninja throwing star, that's what these things looked like. And
Speaker 5: they were all lit. They didn't have like little twinkly
Speaker 5: lights on them. Each one was light and had a
Speaker 5: very coherent feel to the light. Right there was no umbre,
Speaker 5: there was no projected light onto me. They looked like
Speaker 5: as if the light was solid, as if it had
Speaker 5: some kind of mass.
Speaker 6: I don't know how to explain that.
Speaker 5: And as they flew directly over my head from the
Speaker 5: west over due east, there were five, and the lead
Speaker 5: and two on the I guess as I'm looking at
Speaker 5: on the left split off and slid. I'll just describe
Speaker 5: it that way. They didn't yank and bank like a jetwood.
Speaker 5: They just slid across the sky and got I don't know,
Speaker 5: a couple miles separation from the other two, and the
Speaker 5: other two kept going and then maybe in like two
Speaker 5: or three potatoes, the two that got left behind just immediately,
Speaker 5: like a blinding flash, joined up with the others and
Speaker 5: then they were gone in about uh, I don't know,
Speaker 5: north by north northeast direction.
Speaker 4: And this is two thousand and one, So at this
Speaker 4: post you're not even interested in the UFO topic.
Speaker 6: No, no, I wasn't.
Speaker 4: I was what's going through your mind that you think
Speaker 4: is happening?
Speaker 5: Well, I literally knew immediately that these things weren't military.
Speaker 5: I knew they weren't jets the way they moved. Had
Speaker 5: they not done the move where they slid across the
Speaker 5: sky that fast and that far, I might have just
Speaker 5: chalked that up to like some jet that I don't
Speaker 5: know about. There was no sound, and they were very
Speaker 5: they were very low to my head. I would say,
Speaker 5: maybe just a few hundred feet over my head. You know,
Speaker 5: I fly hang gliders for fun, right, that's why the weekends.
Speaker 6: I no, no, it's actually fun.
Speaker 5: But anyway, so if I had to estimate their not
Speaker 5: knowing how what their altitude was, but knowing how there
Speaker 5: asthmath changed over my you know, as I moved over
Speaker 5: my head, they weren't They weren't high in the sky.
Speaker 5: They were low in the sky. So if you just
Speaker 5: picture maybe a car an automobile a block and maybe
Speaker 5: across the street and down a half a block or
Speaker 5: something like that, you know, the fairly good size and no,
Speaker 5: I knew immediately that they were not anything. And then
Speaker 5: they did that weird move, and I knew that they
Speaker 5: didn't have inertia, because you can't do that kind of
Speaker 5: thing if you have mass and inertia. You just can't
Speaker 5: slide across the sky and instantaneously join up with your buddies.
Speaker 4: So this is blowing your mind at this point, right
Speaker 4: you have? Yeah, I never seen anything like it.
Speaker 5: No, So I jumped out of that hot tub so fast,
Speaker 5: and my wife hadn't even had a chance to come
Speaker 5: up with the wine, right, and I'm dripping all over
Speaker 5: the place, and I'm yelling at her.
Speaker 6: Of course.
Speaker 5: The first thing I did was I got down. I
Speaker 5: went downstairs. I got on the phone. I tried to
Speaker 5: call LAX because I'm right below I'm just south of
Speaker 5: LAX Runway, Manhattan Beach.
Speaker 6: So I called LAX Approach.
Speaker 5: I called tower, and I tried to find out if
Speaker 5: anybody had these things on radar, and they all said negative.
Speaker 5: And I was just flabbergacid. So I didn't know what
Speaker 5: to do next. So I got on Netscape. Right, these
Speaker 5: were UFOs. Nobody knows what that is. I know, did
Speaker 5: you send the facts out to let them know?
Speaker 6: Yeah? I got the word out. I got a facts out.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I got on Netscape and I researched UFO
Speaker 5: Los Angeles and I ended up on the moufon MOF
Speaker 5: on La had a website up and going.
Speaker 4: This is hilarious because you ended up running this for
Speaker 4: thirteen years and you need, yeah, what it was at
Speaker 4: that point?
Speaker 6: Right? No, I had no idea hysterical.
Speaker 5: So I fill out this form and about a week later,
Speaker 5: I get a call here at the office and I'm
Speaker 5: sitting in the office where I was when I got
Speaker 5: that call from a guy named Bill Casey, and he
Speaker 5: was the director of investigations at that time. Super nice guy,
Speaker 5: and he interviewed me for about I don't know, fifteen
Speaker 5: minutes or something, just asking a bunch of questions about
Speaker 5: me and about what I saw and all that. And
Speaker 5: then he goes, well, that sounds like you had a real,
Speaker 5: real good sighting. And he goes, would you like to
Speaker 5: come to one of our meetings? And I'm like absolutely,
Speaker 5: you know, sign me up.
Speaker 6: Where do I go?
Speaker 5: And he's like, well, we're meeting next. I think it
Speaker 5: was Wednesdays in those days. It was a Wednesday meeting
Speaker 5: and I was out in Hollywood. So I drove out
Speaker 5: there and met with all these people, and I just
Speaker 5: kept going to meetings. So maybe I went to four
Speaker 5: or five meetings, and then Don Waldrup, who was the
Speaker 5: head of MOUFINALI at the time, invited me to join
Speaker 5: the board. He talked to me a few times and
Speaker 5: liked me or whatever asked me to join the board.
Speaker 5: So I did and started going to the board meetings
Speaker 5: and just seeing how they operate and kind of digging
Speaker 5: into this thing. And of course, immediately after that incident,
Speaker 5: the sighting, I just started digging into the books, right,
Speaker 5: I ordered every I got hold of every UFO book
Speaker 5: I could think of.
Speaker 4: Or fine, we're already kind of convinced this is something
Speaker 4: I don't want to say supernatural, but not normal.
Speaker 5: Not normal, Yeah, no, I mean just the propulsion itself
Speaker 5: was enough for me. Knowing that these things weren't burning,
Speaker 5: or at least guessing right these things weren't.
Speaker 6: They weren't making noise.
Speaker 5: They had zero inertia, so they had some anti gravity
Speaker 5: capability that I didn't understand or know about.
Speaker 4: See. But I like how you guys that are pilots.
Speaker 4: I feel maybe you'll agree or disagree with me that
Speaker 4: I think pilots seem to make better witnesses to these
Speaker 4: kind of things. I hate when I hear someone tell me, oh,
Speaker 4: this craft was two hundred and fifty feet across and
Speaker 4: it was a thousand feet away. You know, I really
Speaker 4: don't know what a thousand feet away is looking in
Speaker 4: the sky. I just I don't know what accurate I
Speaker 4: would be.
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, a little bit of a gauged eye, we do. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it's pilots, right.
Speaker 4: You know you were saying you thought about the propulsion
Speaker 4: and stuff. I wouldn't even think in those terms.
Speaker 6: Yeah. No.
Speaker 5: The first thing that struck me, or the thing that
Speaker 5: blew me away, was the fact that these things had
Speaker 5: no inertia, that they were moving around in the sky
Speaker 5: like gravity didn't exist. All these things happening are processing
Speaker 5: at the same time, right, these things are real? What
Speaker 5: the hell was that? All this stuff? And so I
Speaker 5: started digging into it and you know, reading every book
Speaker 5: I could get my hand on it, and go to
Speaker 5: the meetings. And then Don decided he wanted to move
Speaker 5: to Florida, and so he just tapped me and said, hey,
Speaker 5: do you want to take over? And I said okay.
Speaker 5: So that's how I ended up taking over for move
Speaker 5: on Los Angeles. And we had some really cool people
Speaker 5: on the board too. We had Sondra Marsh she was
Speaker 5: an abductee. You know, most of the people that I've
Speaker 5: met who were abductees, we had a lot of them
Speaker 5: coming to the meetings month and month out because there
Speaker 5: was no other place for those people to share their
Speaker 5: experiences and not be laughed at or thought they were crazy,
Speaker 5: and they could compare notes, you know. And for many
Speaker 5: of these people, it was ongoing. It wasn't like something
Speaker 5: that happened, you know, when they were a kid and
Speaker 5: it stopped happening.
Speaker 6: It was going on.
Speaker 5: So they needed like an outlet or a place where
Speaker 5: they could actually feel welcome and talk about the phenomenon,
Speaker 5: talk about their experiences.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, Hey, Steve, to take a quick break there when
Speaker 4: we come back and talk to you more about the
Speaker 4: possibility of these sightings, of these crafts being military craft
Speaker 4: perhaps or perhaps test craft, or perhaps from another country.
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Speaker 4: Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron. We're talking to Steve Morello
Speaker 4: here about UFO sightings. Steve, I want to ask you this,
Speaker 4: when you see some of these craft or you hear
Speaker 4: some of these UFO stories, don't you think a lot
Speaker 4: of them could be maybe test aircraft or secret military craft.
Speaker 4: You know. This morning, as a matter of fact, I
Speaker 4: happen to see an article about in China they unveiled
Speaker 4: this hypersonic mock seven brone that's a developmental craft they
Speaker 4: have and it's this huge triangle and a super high
Speaker 4: tech and it can apparently launch weapons and other drones
Speaker 4: off of this craft. Wow, and this is at an
Speaker 4: air show, and this was just.
Speaker 6: Like they're bringing out in an air show. It's so
Speaker 6: it's like old technology for them then.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, so exactly. So I'm thinking, if that's what
Speaker 4: they're showing us, god knows what they have behind the scenes, right,
Speaker 4: So don't you think that many of these craft people
Speaker 4: are seeing are in fact something like that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, of course. And the drones, you know, or
Speaker 5: even skydivers. I mean I saw a guy he had
Speaker 5: a video out yesterday. You know, this is this is
Speaker 5: obviously not a meteorite, and it was a thing come
Speaker 5: crashing down, you know, out of the sky. It was
Speaker 5: sparkly orange, and then it split up into maybe I
Speaker 5: don't know, ten separate same little things, but you know, smaller,
Speaker 5: and they were all going in opposite directions and stuff.
Speaker 5: Probably night skydive. You know, they tie those sparkly things
Speaker 5: to their ankles because I've seen it done from the
Speaker 5: from the skydivers' perspective, and they get into circles and
Speaker 5: they do all these things, so, you know, misidentification of
Speaker 5: you know, stranger stuff that's you know, night skydiving is
Speaker 5: not something you see every night. And that happened actually
Speaker 5: about four or five years ago after a Lakers game.
Speaker 5: They were doing it out in the valley and some
Speaker 5: Lakers came out Staples Center and they filmed this with
Speaker 5: their phones. Right, they were calling it UFOs, but it
Speaker 5: turned out to skydivers. But going back to the question
Speaker 5: of could it be another Superpowers technology, Yeah, I could
Speaker 5: a hypersonic Mock seven drone. That's pretty impressive. Keep in
Speaker 5: mind that thing's only going to fly in one direction,
Speaker 5: which is straight right. I mean, if it's gonna turn,
Speaker 5: it's gonna turn gradually because you can't put too much
Speaker 5: stress on the frame.
Speaker 4: You were talking about the slide earlier. Do drones have
Speaker 4: the ability to do anything like that move?
Speaker 5: You know, they kind of do nowadays if you mention it, Yeah,
Speaker 5: they kind of do. Yeah, you can take a drone
Speaker 5: and move it that way. But to have five drone,
Speaker 5: or let's take three in perfect formations slide across the
Speaker 5: sky in two thousand and one and they were all lit.
Speaker 5: Each one was a light. That's not tech that we
Speaker 5: even have now. To get that kind of separation maybe
Speaker 5: a mile and a half in seconds and then have
Speaker 5: the other two join up accurately in less than a second,
Speaker 5: that's not something that we probably even have now.
Speaker 6: The telltale of UFO not UFO is.
Speaker 5: The change of direction something that's moving high speed and
Speaker 5: bizarre looking. Let's say the TICTAC UFO good example, shape
Speaker 5: like a tic tac, doesn't have wings, no exhaust plumage
Speaker 5: or anything like that, and it's jinking like a ping
Speaker 5: punk ball.
Speaker 6: That's the way he described it.
Speaker 5: Instantaneous changes in direction. At that point where you change direction,
Speaker 5: you have infinite g So maybe a machine can take
Speaker 5: that kind of load, But you know, you might be
Speaker 5: able to design a machine that can take that load
Speaker 5: for a while, I don't think we can.
Speaker 4: But obviously that craft can because we have it on video,
Speaker 4: and we have fravor any other people's reports of it.
Speaker 4: Don't you think that it's possible? A craft like that
Speaker 4: could be what if it's artificially intelligent control?
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, absolutely, to see a craft like that does
Speaker 5: not imply if there's something a biological entity in it.
Speaker 5: I never would leap to that conclusion.
Speaker 6: We have AI.
Speaker 5: Now, our AI is probably ten years away from feeling sentient,
Speaker 5: you know, totally sentient.
Speaker 4: It moves up every time I interview somebody ten years
Speaker 4: or twenty years ten. You know some of these guys
Speaker 4: that they're saying.
Speaker 5: Two yeah, well yeah, because More's law takes effect and
Speaker 5: our processing power keeps getting better and better straight up, yeah,
Speaker 5: no processing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's like that.
Speaker 5: So eventually, for all intents and purposes, they will be sentient.
Speaker 5: And those sorts of machines, if you can write the
Speaker 5: code that good enough, won't go insane in the depths
Speaker 5: of space after years and years of travel or inter
Speaker 5: dimensional travel. We're getting very close. So could some of
Speaker 5: these UFOs be automatic automated? Absolutely, you could call them
Speaker 5: drones from another dimension or another space time.
Speaker 4: The thing is we don't know. I mean, that's the thing.
Speaker 4: I was going to ask you what you think is
Speaker 4: happening with this phenomenon. Do you think it's possibly an
Speaker 4: interdimensional travel happening. Do you think it's across the galaxy?
Speaker 4: Where do you fall on that?
Speaker 6: My personal belief after you know, talking to everybody and
Speaker 6: looking at things.
Speaker 4: You guys are twenty four years on this already.
Speaker 6: Right right, yeah, God minimal.
Speaker 5: But if you can defeat gravity, then you probably have
Speaker 5: a very interesting understanding of time space. Our science, our
Speaker 5: math tells us that there are at least eleven, if
Speaker 5: not thirteen, alternative dimensions. Our reality might be comprised of
Speaker 5: infinite slices of reality meeting You and I are talking here,
Speaker 5: and then we make a decision that along another path,
Speaker 5: and there are infinite numbers of us talking, having different
Speaker 5: conversations more or less about UFOs. Right, So, all these
Speaker 5: things are possible, and these UFOs or UAPs, whatever you
Speaker 5: want to call them, seem to be able to harness
Speaker 5: a science or a technology that allows them to move
Speaker 5: in infinite slices of space time without inertia, without gravity,
Speaker 5: defeating gravity. So in other words, they're not necessarily in
Speaker 5: our space time as they move through it, yet we
Speaker 5: can see it, and I don't understand how that works.
Speaker 4: A lot of these vibrational things, one of these interdimensional things,
Speaker 4: one of these other theories. Is that where you're kind
Speaker 4: of thinking this is happening from.
Speaker 5: Yeah, are we seeing the object? Are we seeing like
Speaker 5: the remnants of that? I don't know, man, It's we
Speaker 5: go on and on about this.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, it's so hard. It's all speculation obviously.
Speaker 5: Right, it's absolutely and I have no signs to back
Speaker 5: up any of the mumbo jumbo I'm spewing right now.
Speaker 4: But thank you for phrasing it that way, because most
Speaker 4: people sit here and try to tell me exactly that
Speaker 4: it is definitely an alien and it's definitely this based
Speaker 4: on what Yeah, yeah, I mean it might be.
Speaker 5: But you know, until one comes down, shakes our hands
Speaker 5: and then explains the whole thing to us, we're not
Speaker 5: going to really know. And if we have to break
Speaker 5: the code ourselves, it's going to take a while. Bob
Speaker 5: Azar says that he worked on this technology, but he
Speaker 5: never broke the code, and they never cracked the code
Speaker 5: of it.
Speaker 6: They seem to have, I mean.
Speaker 5: They cracked the coat on some of the propulsion system, right,
Speaker 5: These things would go up in the sky. Remember, Bob
Speaker 5: would take his friends out to the desert and say,
Speaker 5: watched this, and then then Wednesday night at seven pm.
Speaker 5: These things shoot up in the air and then dance
Speaker 5: around and come down again. So maybe we're on the verge.
Speaker 5: Who was it the CEO of Skunkworks what was his name,
Speaker 5: you know, talking about.
Speaker 4: Of course I do the guy who said we have
Speaker 4: the technology you to take at home.
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, he made that statement. He also said that
Speaker 5: off camera.
Speaker 4: To Jim Goodall is the guy he said it to,
Speaker 4: and Ben Rich is the guy.
Speaker 5: Ben Rich, There you go, ben Rich, thank you. The
Speaker 5: way I look at that, though, is sort of like,
Speaker 5: if we do have that technology and we're not bringing
Speaker 5: it out to the public, not bringing out to the world,
Speaker 5: it's almost a crime against humanity.
Speaker 4: They're not going to care.
Speaker 5: I know, the warlngers that they are. What does this
Speaker 5: world need energy?
Speaker 6: Right? We need energy to move our cars, energy to
Speaker 6: grow our crops. Energy.
Speaker 5: If we can harness an energy it's unlimited and costs
Speaker 5: us nothing, right, zero cost, zero points, zero cost energy,
Speaker 5: then basically we've solved a lot of the world's problems. Right,
Speaker 5: we've solved a lot of the world's problems. If these
Speaker 5: things are harnessing an energy that doesn't burn fuel, it
Speaker 5: don't fill up at a gas station and we have
Speaker 5: that technology, we've somehow captured that technology, whoever has it,
Speaker 5: then it needs.
Speaker 6: To come out.
Speaker 5: The world would change, and then there'd be a lot
Speaker 5: of friction in the beginning. The oil futures would tank instantly, right,
Speaker 5: people would lose their asses, big corporations be closing shop
Speaker 5: the next day. But eventually man would be free. Hopefully
Speaker 5: men would be free, because as it is right now,
Speaker 5: we're all slaves.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I don't see it coming out for that reason alone. Hey,
Speaker 4: you once said that there's if there's one other alien race,
Speaker 4: that there could be a million, right, is that what
Speaker 4: you think?
Speaker 6: Yep? I do just based on sure numbers.
Speaker 5: If you look at the number of galaxies, you know,
Speaker 5: the number of the billions of galaxies that are out there, even.
Speaker 4: In our own galaxy million now two there you go galaxies,
Speaker 4: which is incredible.
Speaker 5: Right, just in this you know, our in our reality alone,
Speaker 5: right that that is incredible. Yeah, and you know now
Speaker 5: with the James Webb telescope, we're discovering the Hey, just
Speaker 5: about every star out there has planets going around it, right,
Speaker 5: just about everyone. In fact, I don't know if the
Speaker 5: other Beginning to think that none of them don't have
Speaker 5: a planet.
Speaker 4: Forty years ago they said none of them do have
Speaker 4: a planet. Now, in fact, it's completely flipped and they
Speaker 4: said it's rare that they don't have a planet. Isn't
Speaker 4: that bizar? The scientists in the world had that.
Speaker 6: Belief, right, right.
Speaker 5: It's hard for scientists who get grants to come off
Speaker 5: of their what they used to know. But anyway, Yeah,
Speaker 5: so think just just from a mathematical perspective, it's virtually impossible.
Speaker 5: Even if there's one, then there are millions, if not billions,
Speaker 5: of these of these civilizations across our universe.
Speaker 4: So that makes sense to me. They said that I've
Speaker 4: heard before maybe Carl Sagan or somebody also said that
Speaker 4: either we are alone or if there's two, there's a million,
Speaker 4: kind of like what you were saying. Okay, we're going
Speaker 4: to take a break here to Steve. When we come back,
Speaker 4: we're going to talk more to Steve about the consciousness
Speaker 4: aspect of this phenomenon. You're listening to be on Contact
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Speaker 4: We are back on Beyond Contact. It's Captain Ron talking
Speaker 4: to Steve Marillo. Steve, I think I've heard you say
Speaker 4: sometimes that maybe consciousness may be behind a lot of
Speaker 4: this phenomenon, that maybe it's more of a paranormal phenomenon
Speaker 4: than a mechanical craft per se, Y, what do you
Speaker 4: think about consciousness?
Speaker 6: That's a very very very very good question.
Speaker 5: Yeah, First I took one to answer. The first question
Speaker 5: you have to ask is what is consciousness?
Speaker 6: Right? Where does it exist?
Speaker 5: Just as conscious beings, we believe that consciousness exists in
Speaker 5: between our eyes, in between our ears, right inside our head.
Speaker 6: That's where I well, some.
Speaker 4: People believe that. Some people believe that, you know, it's
Speaker 4: just a receiver that we're tapping into a greater you know,
Speaker 4: a record or whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 5: And that's kind of where I am with it. And
Speaker 5: it's even possible run for our consciousness to exist simultaneously
Speaker 5: on in multiple dimensions. In other words, you're having an
Speaker 5: experiences as Captain Ron right now, but you also exist
Speaker 5: as something else in another dimension. In other words, consciousness
Speaker 5: transcends time space. That's a possibility. I'm not saying that's
Speaker 5: what I believe.
Speaker 4: That hurts. That hurts the brain a little bit, Steve,
Speaker 4: I got to be honest.
Speaker 5: Right right, No, it's bizarre. It's bizarre to think about that. Oftentimes,
Speaker 5: when people have experiences it directly with beings, there seems
Speaker 5: to be some sort of shift in their own consciousness
Speaker 5: that occurs the subject, right that the experiencer, and after
Speaker 5: the experience they are imbued with let's say, higher intuition
Speaker 5: sometimes or a real palpable empathy for other beings and
Speaker 5: things like that. Things happen and they change.
Speaker 6: For me.
Speaker 5: After I had that sighting was almost like I had
Speaker 5: a download it. It was as if somebody took a
Speaker 5: crowbarn pride my brain. Apart from then on, I challenge
Speaker 5: and questioned everything I heard like I can.
Speaker 6: For example, this.
Speaker 5: Whole the election process nine to eleven, all that stuff,
Speaker 5: it's all in my mind challenged. Nothing true, nothing, Nothing
Speaker 5: that they try to tell you is true because you know,
Speaker 5: you see how things actually work.
Speaker 6: You know, you just don't think.
Speaker 4: It's going to get harder and harder. As we go forward,
Speaker 4: Steve as Ai becomes more prolific and as how the
Speaker 4: videos we see now could be deep faked. That's gonna
Speaker 4: get even, but we see it now that it's almost
Speaker 4: perfect to me.
Speaker 6: But oh it is like I use Instagram a lot.
Speaker 6: It's entertaining for me.
Speaker 5: Right, there's this one AI generation like thing I follow.
Speaker 5: It's deep sea creatures that they've found, like in the
Speaker 5: Marianna's trench or whatever. And they these are AI created
Speaker 5: deep sea creatures and they're they're showing you, like the
Speaker 5: film from the Submarine of these creatures. I mean, you
Speaker 5: see the particles of the ocean moving between their teeth,
Speaker 5: and these bizarre looking monsters and the narrators talking with
Speaker 5: a British accident about deep in the ocean. No no,
Speaker 5: no, no dah, you know, and they look perfect. I mean,
Speaker 5: if if you showed me that ten years ago, oh
Speaker 5: my god, what is that thing?
Speaker 6: You know? Oh my god, it's real. It looks real.
Speaker 4: So yeah, two years they'll have people looking exact and
Speaker 4: we're not going to know what's real anymore. You wire
Speaker 4: right around the corner.
Speaker 5: No, you know, in my business is mortgages, real estate,
Speaker 5: that sort of thing. I can write a script, just
Speaker 5: write a script, type it, give it to an AI
Speaker 5: and it's just the face of a woman ahead of
Speaker 5: a woman and she's talking with the British accent, and
Speaker 5: she delivers the script with pronunciation with emphasis, and the
Speaker 5: lips are SYNCD and it looks entirely natural, entirely real.
Speaker 5: I mean as if I hired an actor to read
Speaker 5: the script. That's now, that's that's already old.
Speaker 6: It's get really interesting around here.
Speaker 4: Absolutely. Hey, Steve, what kind of reports do you hear
Speaker 4: from people? You know, what's the most common thing you hear.
Speaker 4: Do you hear consistent reports about abduction or UFO experiences
Speaker 4: or are they all different?
Speaker 6: Mostly different?
Speaker 5: And abduction you don't hear about as much anymore, And
Speaker 5: I don't know why that is. But yet the frequency
Speaker 5: of abduction, you don't hear about that as much. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm not hearing as much about that. Many more sightings.
Speaker 5: People are filming, you know, bizarre UFOs all over the place.
Speaker 5: You probably remember that Las Vegas incident where the kid
Speaker 5: and his family had something come down in their backyard
Speaker 5: and they're filming it. I never really saw any video
Speaker 5: that was totally convincing to me, but they seemed affected
Speaker 5: by it. Oh, you were asking about consciousness and UFOs
Speaker 5: and stuff. One thing I wanted to bring up. Oftentimes,
Speaker 5: other phenomena occur with an experiencer after they've had an experience,
Speaker 5: or even before they're conscious of their experiences. A lot
Speaker 5: of times Poulter guys activity in the house, you know,
Speaker 5: high sense of intuition even before their experiences, and maybe
Speaker 5: because it's been going on since there were little kids,
Speaker 5: you know, just weird stuff like that ghosts.
Speaker 6: We had a gal that used to come.
Speaker 5: To our meetings and she was an experiencer and she
Speaker 5: had Poulter Guy's phenomena in her house. She had a
Speaker 5: little girl and she actually filmed I mean, it looked ridiculous.
Speaker 5: She filmed this on her phone and then showed it
Speaker 5: to me like the next day because we had our meeting,
Speaker 5: and it looked like from Ghostbusters at green blobby, slimer,
Speaker 5: without the face, without the face, It just was a
Speaker 5: green blob. She was filming her little daughter playing on
Speaker 5: the living room floor there in front of the TV.
Speaker 5: The TV was on, and this green blob comes out
Speaker 5: of the TV, flies like kind of in a like
Speaker 5: a little spiral towards the daughter and then veers off
Speaker 5: towards her and she goes, oh, oh, you know, or
Speaker 5: like makes it a little like exclamation about it. And
Speaker 5: this is probably ten years ago or fifteen years ago.
Speaker 5: You know, and she didn't need to fake that. She
Speaker 5: didn't put it out in the public, you know, she
Speaker 5: just showed me what happened the night before.
Speaker 6: I'm like, wow. And she had a boyfriend.
Speaker 5: Who opened a they were having activity, and the boyfriend
Speaker 5: opened a closet, a bedroom closet, and this gray being
Speaker 5: jumps out at him or you know what's there, and
Speaker 5: that scared him away, and so he was no longer
Speaker 5: her boyfriend and he ran off. But I don't blame him.
Speaker 6: I don't blame him. Yeah, weird stuff.
Speaker 4: Do you have a favorite case, Steve, that makes you
Speaker 4: really believe that something is happening, something that you've heard
Speaker 4: that like really compels you.
Speaker 5: Well, the Bentwater case is very compelling. So many witnesses
Speaker 5: and so much data.
Speaker 6: Roswell, of course, lots of data, lots of witnesses.
Speaker 5: Roswell happened. No doubt in my mind that Roswell happened,
Speaker 5: and probably everything went to right. Pat, I love yeah, noah, Yeah,
Speaker 5: that happened. In my own experience, a buddy of mine
Speaker 5: and I went out to Skinwalker Ranch before it was
Speaker 5: real popular to talk about Skinwalker, and we staked it
Speaker 5: out for a few nights and we had some bizarre
Speaker 5: experiences with the phenomenon.
Speaker 6: We saw one little.
Speaker 5: Red light floating around on the ranch, but that could
Speaker 5: have been a guy with a cigarette, right, But we
Speaker 5: had the phenomenon actually call me on the cell phone
Speaker 5: while we were staking out the ranch, and I answered
Speaker 5: it with speaker because my buddy was there with me,
Speaker 5: and it made this weird electronic great, you know, weird
Speaker 5: hello Hello. I hung up on it, and I was
Speaker 5: thinking it was a kid who we had in town,
Speaker 5: who we had asked him to show us where the
Speaker 5: ranch was and we had his number. I called the
Speaker 5: kid and I asked him, you know, did you just,
Speaker 5: you know, spoof us? And I opened him up because
Speaker 5: it was three in the morning and he didn't know
Speaker 5: anything about it. He pretended like he didn't, so I
Speaker 5: would think, well, kid, that kid spoofed us, and he's
Speaker 5: just goofing around trying to scare us. So then we're
Speaker 5: done with the ranch. We fly home and we had
Speaker 5: been having electronic problems with the electronics the whole trip,
Speaker 5: even before we took off for the trip. That morning,
Speaker 5: going to lax I had a power failure at my house.
Speaker 5: My buddy, who lives near Librea Libera tarpits. We had
Speaker 5: a power failure at his place, so we couldn't charge
Speaker 5: any of our stuff. We couldn't keep anything charged when
Speaker 5: we were at the Skinwalker ranch.
Speaker 6: That was bizarre. Everything would drain really quick, so we
Speaker 6: had to have everything plugged in.
Speaker 4: That's something I've heard a hundred times.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, who knows why?
Speaker 5: Right, anyway, come home and now I'm back in my
Speaker 5: office and I've got to take care of some business
Speaker 5: and I got to call a friend of mine. She
Speaker 5: picks up the phone and though I'm trying to discuss
Speaker 5: a little bit of business, and then this music is
Speaker 5: playing on the phone and it's Loved Me Tender. So
Speaker 5: it's Loved Me Tender, and it's like but it's like
Speaker 5: Nintendo style.
Speaker 6: Music, like boo boo boo boo, just like if it
Speaker 6: was a Mario Brothers game or something like that. And
Speaker 6: I'm like, hello, I'm going Kathleen, can you can you
Speaker 6: hear me? Can you you know, can you turn that off?
Speaker 6: You know? Can you turn that off? And She's like
Speaker 6: what what?
Speaker 5: So I just say, okay, I'll call you back, and
Speaker 5: I hang up on her and then I give it
Speaker 5: a couple of minutes. So the phone, you know, the
Speaker 5: answering machine, can you know clear? You know, because if
Speaker 5: you call right back, it's gonna be busy. So I
Speaker 5: wait a couple of minutes and I call her back
Speaker 5: and she picks it up and I go, hey, Kathleen,
Speaker 5: I go, you know, that's a really interesting music you
Speaker 5: have there on your answering machine. She goes, what, I go,
Speaker 5: that music? She goes, I don't have an answering machine.
Speaker 5: I go, did you did you hear the music? Didn't
Speaker 5: you hear that music? And she's like, what music?
Speaker 6: No, she goes, I couldn't hear you though, I'm like wow.
Speaker 6: So that was weird.
Speaker 5: So we finished our business later on that day trying
Speaker 5: to I'm at the City of Manhattan Beach. I'm trying
Speaker 5: to get some stuff done with building and safety or
Speaker 5: building I forget the planning department. And as I'm talking
Speaker 5: to the guy, I'm looking at my contacts on my
Speaker 5: phone and I'm watching on the little window of my phone,
Speaker 5: and the contacts are just rolling. They're just like disappearing.
Speaker 5: They're just like getting like as if the phone is
Speaker 5: like here's something, yeah, deleted. They're all deleted. Now my
Speaker 5: phone's not usable. And this went on for like a
Speaker 5: couple three hours, and then finally my buddy from the
Speaker 5: trip calls me and the phone rang. It was him,
Speaker 5: and I'm like, you're not going to believe all the
Speaker 5: weird stuff that's been happening, you know, like all day.
Speaker 6: And he's like, yeah, I've been having some weird stuff too.
Speaker 5: And then as I'm talking to him, here come the
Speaker 5: contexts and they're coming back on the phone that was
Speaker 5: bizarre and nothing's happening like this. Yeah, so there's there
Speaker 5: are a bizarre phenomenon that are associated with the phenomenon,
Speaker 5: you know, not just you.
Speaker 4: That's it's a T shirt right there, Steve, There's been
Speaker 4: bizarre phenomena and associated with the phenomena, well, they're actually
Speaker 4: Steve to take a break here real quick. When we
Speaker 4: come back, we're going to talk to Steve more about
Speaker 4: some of these strange stories and about his days at
Speaker 4: Moufon in you pars, you're listening to Beyond Contact on
Speaker 4: the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network.
Speaker 4: We are back on Beyond Contact with Steve Morella. Steve,
Speaker 4: we're talking about these crazy things that happen like when
Speaker 4: you were at Skinwalker Ranch, for example. And when I
Speaker 4: hear someone like yourself tell me these stories. This isn't
Speaker 4: like a public story that you put out there. It's
Speaker 4: not like it's in the news. I wonder how often
Speaker 4: other people have these little bizarre things that happen in
Speaker 4: life and they just don't tell anybody. Maybe they tell
Speaker 4: a couple of their friends or whatever. People go wow,
Speaker 4: how weird, and it goes away. We could all write
Speaker 4: them down on the same day and put them together.
Speaker 4: It would be like this massive thing to show us
Speaker 4: that something weird is going on.
Speaker 5: Well, you know, I think that just about everybody, you know.
Speaker 5: If you ask them, hey, have you ever had anything
Speaker 5: strange happen to you?
Speaker 6: They'll have a story blah blah blah blah happened or.
Speaker 4: Steve, quite literally, I always tell that story people say
Speaker 4: to me, like when they ask about the show or
Speaker 4: what I do or whatever. If somebody is like dismissive
Speaker 4: about it and they're like, yeah, no, I'm not interested,
Speaker 4: inevitably they do the colombo for me. They're like, no, no,
Speaker 4: I'm not really. Oh you know what. There was this
Speaker 4: one time my dad and I were fishing early in
Speaker 4: the morning, you know, one and they saw light. It's
Speaker 4: amazing how many people have had an experience who aren't
Speaker 4: interested in this tomic.
Speaker 5: Right or want to avoid the topic. The same time,
Speaker 5: we were at Skinwalker Ridge. We're driving around the ridge
Speaker 5: and it's like, I don't know, Saturday afternoon, we're kind
Speaker 5: of hungry and there's not much out there, and we
Speaker 5: see this sign for like a little burger joint restaurant
Speaker 5: grocery store.
Speaker 6: So we go in there and you know, it's about
Speaker 6: this time.
Speaker 5: So we go to the counter and there are these
Speaker 5: two young girls there, maybe in their twenties, that are
Speaker 5: like working the counter, and then there's the mom. You know,
Speaker 5: it's family owned little thing. The mom's on the backward
Speaker 5: and working the girl. And I kind of have a
Speaker 5: loud voice anyway, and the mom wasn't too far away,
Speaker 5: and I always open, hey, you ever have anything weird
Speaker 5: happened around here?
Speaker 6: That's what I'd ask these people.
Speaker 5: Of course, everybody had the experience out there, and the
Speaker 5: mom immediately goes no, nothing. Ever, you know, it's like
Speaker 5: she got a little bit defensive. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 5: you know, like she didn't want him to talk about it.
Speaker 5: But sure enough, you know, daughter number one, the older daughter,
Speaker 5: wanted to talk about her experience, you know, and then
Speaker 5: the other.
Speaker 6: Daughter jumps on and tells her story. And they were
Speaker 6: both weird stories. I won't go on.
Speaker 5: But then finally the mom like okay, and so she
Speaker 5: like turns and she goes, when I was a little girl,
Speaker 5: here we go.
Speaker 4: You just said no nothing, Yeah, we got one.
Speaker 6: Here we go. And her story was wild.
Speaker 5: So she says, when I was a little girl, is
Speaker 5: at my grandma's ranch, which is right over here, and
Speaker 5: we were sitting out on the porch, and we were
Speaker 5: looking at the field and everything had been cut down
Speaker 5: and so it was just dirt. Like around four or
Speaker 5: five o'clock in the afternoon, sun was still up, and
Speaker 5: she goes, all of a sudden, in the middle of
Speaker 5: the field, she goes, there was this whirlwind, like a
Speaker 5: dust devil, but it was like super dirty, and it
Speaker 5: was spinning, spin and spinning. And she goes and all
Speaker 5: of a sudden, the dust devil stopped or cleared away,
Speaker 5: and there was a naked American Indian standing there, a
Speaker 5: man standing there, and she said he looked around like
Speaker 5: he like he like looked around to see you saw them.
Speaker 5: She said, he sprinted across that field so fast. She goes,
Speaker 5: he was faster than a track star. He was so
Speaker 5: fast and he just ran and.
Speaker 4: See you know, yeah, you know. Now, now what do
Speaker 4: you attribute that to? Is that an alien? Is that
Speaker 4: an apparition? Is that a ghost? Is that her mind?
Speaker 4: Is that a skinwalker? Indian was someone who was in prison?
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I know.
Speaker 5: The older daughter said she had an experience coming in
Speaker 5: to the Skinwalker area. So she's coming down. There's only
Speaker 5: like one main road in forty Shane. She said, I
Speaker 5: was a waitress at a bar in another town. I
Speaker 5: forget the name of the town. She said, I was
Speaker 5: coming home. It was about three in the morning that
Speaker 5: I was going by the cemetery and she said, just
Speaker 5: as I'm going by the cemetery, this tall, skinny, white
Speaker 5: thing runs out in front of my car and then
Speaker 5: squats down on the other side of the road, on
Speaker 5: the cemetery side of the road, and she says, I
Speaker 5: almost peeed on my pants. Right, She stopped herself from
Speaker 5: saying I peed my pants, And she said, I cried
Speaker 5: all the way home. This thing stood up and then
Speaker 5: she said it sprinted across the cemetery. That was her story.
Speaker 5: And then the other the younger sister told one of
Speaker 5: a shadow person that was stalking her and she and
Speaker 5: her girlfriend they were having like a sleepover or something,
Speaker 5: and they called the cops and the cops said, yeah,
Speaker 5: we're we've been getting calls. Actually wasn't cops, it was constables.
Speaker 5: You know, the American Indians have their own law enforcement.
Speaker 5: And yeah, so they all had strange stories. So, yeah,
Speaker 5: you hear all.
Speaker 4: These stories from different people all the time, at least
Speaker 4: the last twenty some years. Right, what's your walkaway? What
Speaker 4: do you take away from all of that?
Speaker 5: It's so hard to put your finger on, you know,
Speaker 5: you kind of have to take it all in and
Speaker 5: be non judgmental about it. How do you take that
Speaker 5: those three stories right and come up with some sort
Speaker 5: of theory? I don't think there is one theory that
Speaker 5: can cover it all, you know what I mean. But
Speaker 5: it's all interrelated. Somehow. We're experiencing a reality here, but
Speaker 5: there are other ways to experience that reality, sometimes through DMT,
Speaker 5: sometimes through you know, meditation. I have a friend who
Speaker 5: does meditation and she has these Kundalini experiences. That cause
Speaker 5: time to compress. For her, she experiences time dilation and
Speaker 5: compression with her watch versus her clock. It happens frequently,
Speaker 5: and she'll tell me these crazy stories.
Speaker 6: I'm like, what the hell is going on? I don't know,
Speaker 6: no idea.
Speaker 4: Well, I can't let you go here, Steve without talking
Speaker 4: about bigfoot for a second. You know, Oh, I love it.
Speaker 4: It seems that bigfoot and UFOs wouldn't really be connected
Speaker 4: at all, Like one's impossible cryptid, and the other one
Speaker 4: is to call it, you know, spaceship. So I don't know,
Speaker 4: but there seems to be a correlation in these reports.
Speaker 4: Do you think that that means that there's people that
Speaker 4: are susceptible to believing in UFOs, therefore they might believe
Speaker 4: in bigfoot, they might see both, or do you think
Speaker 4: there's possible correlation between these two phenomenon.
Speaker 5: I'll answer the second party question first. I think there
Speaker 5: is a correlation between the two. But you touched on
Speaker 5: something that I found interesting in my research. People who
Speaker 5: are experiencers of one phenomenon tend to be likely to
Speaker 5: experience other types of phenomenon. For example, ceofos experience ghosts,
Speaker 5: have bigfoot sightings, why that is, I don't know. Is
Speaker 5: it something about how we experience reality through our consciousness
Speaker 5: it's tuned differently, and those people have a different tuning,
Speaker 5: so to speak.
Speaker 6: I don't know. I used to think the Bigfoot phenomenon
Speaker 6: was ridiculous.
Speaker 5: Even when I was totally in a eufology right, even
Speaker 5: when I was studying it and knew everything and knew
Speaker 5: everybody and talked about it all the time, I thought,
Speaker 5: you know, Bigfoot, come on, you know, that's just ridiculous.
Speaker 6: But I mean, over these last past.
Speaker 5: Few years, I've come to realize that the Bigfoot phenomenon
Speaker 5: is entirely real. It's been going on oh undred and
Speaker 5: twenty percent. Yeah, it's it's if there's a podcast that
Speaker 5: comes out weekly, Sasquatch Chronicles, Sasquatch Chronicles, he has at
Speaker 5: least one or two with usually it's one witness used
Speaker 5: to be always like two, uh, described their their experience.
Speaker 5: The experience might be from when they were in the seventies,
Speaker 5: when they were little kid in the eighties, or even
Speaker 5: just like last week, something happened to somebody what's interesting
Speaker 5: about bigfoot. At first, you take it, okay, it's just
Speaker 5: you know, some sort of upright walking ape right. Sure
Speaker 5: yet then, but there's a guy named thinker Thunker. You
Speaker 5: ever heard of Thinker Thunker. He's a guy that does
Speaker 5: video and audio analysis, and he has a he has
Speaker 5: a YouTube channel, thinker Thunker, and he applies science to
Speaker 5: determining whether or not video is real, whether or not
Speaker 5: audio is real. And he'll take he took and has
Speaker 5: taken Bigfoot recordings, because there are tons of recordings of
Speaker 5: Bigfoot howling or screaming the audio correct, yeah, and he'll
Speaker 5: match the audio of bigfoot alleged Bigfoot screams from different
Speaker 5: places in the United States. And the print, the voice
Speaker 5: print is almost almost the same or if not exactly
Speaker 5: the same and not and human beings cannot attain those
Speaker 5: frequencies with their normal human voice, with their normal lyrincs.
Speaker 5: He thinks, or he has postulated, these things seem to
Speaker 5: have at least two vocal cords, if you will, two
Speaker 5: ways to make sound. So that's bizarre. Lots of people,
Speaker 5: not all, but lots of people have reported seeing them
Speaker 5: sort of like shimmer into existence, sort of like active
Speaker 5: camouflage and shimmer out of existence. Jimmy Church had a
Speaker 5: sort of like a contact in the desert up at
Speaker 5: Gilliland Ranch, and during that weekend there were people who
Speaker 5: claim to see a bigfoot do just that. As it
Speaker 5: was walking away, I spoke to one of James Gilliland's
Speaker 5: hand there, the guy that works on the ranch. He
Speaker 5: claimed that he got knocked down by one. He startled
Speaker 5: one that was digging through the trash. He had gone
Speaker 5: out there at night. This thing was, he said, it
Speaker 5: was the size of a huge football player. Just ran
Speaker 5: through him. And this guy was big, he was probably
Speaker 5: six 't three. This thing just knocked him over like
Speaker 5: he wasn't even there and just kept running. If you
Speaker 5: want to research big foot, there are thousands and thousands
Speaker 5: of witnesses out there that have had experiences.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Interesting, Hey, you mentioned your brother Jimmy Church. What
Speaker 4: about what about you Pars? You know, I think he
Speaker 4: and I went to a couple of your things a
Speaker 4: couple of years ago, but I haven't seen much in
Speaker 4: a while.
Speaker 5: Well, we haven't done you, Pars. We got shut down
Speaker 5: basically at COVID. The church just said okay, well we
Speaker 5: can't have meetings anymore. After the two years two and
Speaker 5: a half years, I just sort of I didn't have
Speaker 5: the energy anymore to get the whole thing going again.
Speaker 6: I just sort of like let it go, which.
Speaker 5: Is a shame because I still get I still get
Speaker 5: people requesting the meetings, and again, it's a lot of
Speaker 5: the people who have had experiences and would like to
Speaker 5: get together and.
Speaker 4: Maybe you do it quarterly or something at least.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know what, that's not a bad idea. There
Speaker 6: you go. I like it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, listen, I'd be happy to there. I love it.
Speaker 4: Thanks so much for coming on, Steve. I appreciate it.
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