WEBVTT - Episode 30: The Unexplained – UFOs with Steve Murillo 0:00:02.040 --> 0:00:04.680 You're listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast DAM 0:00:04.800 --> 0:00:09.840 Paranormal podcast network, where we offer you podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, 0:00:09.960 --> 0:00:13.760 and the unexplained. Get ready now for Beyond Contact with 0:00:13.920 --> 0:00:14.680 Captain Rong. 0:00:21.360 --> 0:00:24.639 Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:28.680 opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:33.920 only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:38.400 to Coast AM, employees of Premier Networks, or their sponsors 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:41.600 and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:45.320 your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. 0:00:55.200 --> 0:00:58.680 Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week are Beyond 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:03.080 Contact Wilks for the latest news in ufology, discuss some 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:06.560 of the classic cases and bring you the latest information 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:08.840 from the newest cases as we talked with. 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:14.360 The top experts. Welcome to Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron, 0:01:14.400 --> 0:01:16.360 and today we're going to be speaking with Steve Morillo. 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:19.800 Steve attended the United States Naval Academy, where he received 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:22.959 his Bachelor of Science degree in systems Engineering. He was 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:26.640 commissioned an officer in the Marine Corps, attended flight school, 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:29.360 and then served for seven years of active duty as 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:32.360 a jet pilot and a maintenance officer for his squadron. 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:36.520 After the Marine Corps, he worked for TRW and Aerospace Company. 0:01:36.880 --> 0:01:39.759 He also became the director of Muffon LA in two 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:42.640 thousand and one, which he did for thirteen years, conducting 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:47.120 field investigations and monthly meetings up until June of twenty thirteen, 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:50.880 when he then headed up his own group called Upar's LA, 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:55.440 the UFO and Paranormal Research Society of Los Angeles Chapter 0:01:55.760 --> 0:02:00.320 to investigate all things UFO and paranormal. Hey to see 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:04.200 a brother right on, So, Steve, you're a train pilot 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:08.040 and you've had some experiences and sightings that you consider anomalists. 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:09.760 Can you share a few of those with us? 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:12.480 First of all, never as a pilot, never has flying 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:14.960 a jet. I never saw anything. Didn't even believe in 0:02:14.960 --> 0:02:17.480 that stuff way back then. That was back in the eighties. 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:17.920 You know. 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:20.280 I went through my Marine Corps career like any other 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:24.239 normal person without any idea of UFOs or didn't think 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:26.359 about them, you know nothing. When I got out of 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:29.839 the military, become became a satellite engineer here in Manhattan Beach, 0:02:29.880 --> 0:02:33.440 a place called TRW and I worked on a satellite. 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:37.240 I was the electrical power subsystem engineer for a Teachers 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:39.480 Flight seven and I did that for a couple couple 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:41.400 of years, three years or something like that, and it 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:42.760 was a little bit boring for me, so I got 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:46.720 into real estate. So then fast forward probably from the 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:50.600 late eighties early nineties to around two thousand and one. 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:52.359 In fact, it was May of two thousand and one 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:55.320 and I just come home from working out. I was 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:57.800 kind of beat up. I did I still do karate, 0:02:57.960 --> 0:02:59.320 and had been a fight night. So it was a 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:01.560 Tuesday night, pretty beat up, and we happened to have 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:03.399 a hot tub on the roof. I put a hot 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:05.000 tub on the roof of our house, and so I 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:06.600 got into the hot tub. 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:09.080 It was about nine thirty nine to twenty something like that. 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:09.519 At night. 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:11.280 You know, my wife has me a glass of wine 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:12.839 and she goes, oh, I forgotten mine, and she goes 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:14.200 back downstairs to get hers. 0:03:14.600 --> 0:03:16.280 So I'm looking out at the ocean. 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:19.000 The key here is you're relaxing in the hot tub 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:21.079 while the wife gives you wine and goes to that. 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:23.920 In the last instead of you saying, well, go ahead 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:26.400 and take this one, I'll go get the other one. 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:29.560 I was alreadying that's what I did. 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:31.880 I was already also meeting a picture of who Steve 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:32.680 Morillo is. 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:36.480 My wife's a sweetheart, dude, you know, you know she is. 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:39.640 She is just an angel, and so you know she 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:41.360 she had no problem with that kind of thing. But 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:43.880 so anyway, she's downstairs. I'm looking out at the ocean 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:46.040 and then I see these things coming towards me and 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:49.080 it looks like a flock of seagulls, like a seagulls 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:52.520 information like a like a triangle formation, right, and it's 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:54.920 nine thirty at night. I'm thinking, here comes some seagulls. 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:57.880 And then as they're coming towards me, my mind's making 0:03:57.960 --> 0:04:01.320 up the story, like why is somebody shining a spotlight 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:04.280 on those seagulls. I literally thought there was some guy 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:07.440 on the streets somewhere below me with a spotlight shining 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:10.040 in on the seagulls. As they flew over my head, 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:13.160 my mouth drops. I'm like, those aren't seagulls. And these 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:16.880 things were triangular. If you picture like a three prong 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:19.880 ninja throwing star, that's what these things looked like. And 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:21.960 they were all lit. They didn't have like little twinkly 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:25.080 lights on them. Each one was light and had a 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:28.839 very coherent feel to the light. Right there was no umbre, 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:32.000 there was no projected light onto me. They looked like 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:34.279 as if the light was solid, as if it had 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:35.960 some kind of mass. 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:37.039 I don't know how to explain that. 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:40.200 And as they flew directly over my head from the 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:44.200 west over due east, there were five, and the lead 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:46.800 and two on the I guess as I'm looking at 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:50.839 on the left split off and slid. I'll just describe 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:53.120 it that way. They didn't yank and bank like a jetwood. 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:57.280 They just slid across the sky and got I don't know, 0:04:57.320 --> 0:04:59.640 a couple miles separation from the other two, and the 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:02.400 other two kept going and then maybe in like two 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:06.120 or three potatoes, the two that got left behind just immediately, 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:09.640 like a blinding flash, joined up with the others and 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:12.600 then they were gone in about uh, I don't know, 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:16.400 north by north northeast direction. 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:18.400 And this is two thousand and one, So at this 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:20.679 post you're not even interested in the UFO topic. 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:22.120 No, no, I wasn't. 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:24.280 I was what's going through your mind that you think 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:25.000 is happening? 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:29.760 Well, I literally knew immediately that these things weren't military. 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:32.360 I knew they weren't jets the way they moved. Had 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:35.320 they not done the move where they slid across the 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:38.400 sky that fast and that far, I might have just 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:40.920 chalked that up to like some jet that I don't 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:43.279 know about. There was no sound, and they were very 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:45.560 they were very low to my head. I would say, 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:48.280 maybe just a few hundred feet over my head. You know, 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:51.159 I fly hang gliders for fun, right, that's why the weekends. 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:54.200 I no, no, it's actually fun. 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:57.280 But anyway, so if I had to estimate their not 0:05:57.360 --> 0:06:00.200 knowing how what their altitude was, but knowing how there 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:02.599 asthmath changed over my you know, as I moved over 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:04.479 my head, they weren't They weren't high in the sky. 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:06.719 They were low in the sky. So if you just 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:10.960 picture maybe a car an automobile a block and maybe 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:13.800 across the street and down a half a block or 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:17.240 something like that, you know, the fairly good size and no, 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:20.360 I knew immediately that they were not anything. And then 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:22.600 they did that weird move, and I knew that they 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:25.359 didn't have inertia, because you can't do that kind of 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:27.960 thing if you have mass and inertia. You just can't 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:31.479 slide across the sky and instantaneously join up with your buddies. 0:06:31.560 --> 0:06:33.520 So this is blowing your mind at this point, right 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:35.960 you have? Yeah, I never seen anything like it. 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:38.680 No, So I jumped out of that hot tub so fast, 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:40.360 and my wife hadn't even had a chance to come 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:42.520 up with the wine, right, and I'm dripping all over 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:43.840 the place, and I'm yelling at her. 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:44.560 Of course. 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:46.000 The first thing I did was I got down. I 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:48.320 went downstairs. I got on the phone. I tried to 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:51.279 call LAX because I'm right below I'm just south of 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:53.159 LAX Runway, Manhattan Beach. 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:55.360 So I called LAX Approach. 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:58.200 I called tower, and I tried to find out if 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:00.719 anybody had these things on radar, and they all said negative. 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:03.560 And I was just flabbergacid. So I didn't know what 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:06.440 to do next. So I got on Netscape. Right, these 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:10.120 were UFOs. Nobody knows what that is. I know, did 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:11.840 you send the facts out to let them know? 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:16.040 Yeah? I got the word out. I got a facts out. 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:20.240 So yeah, I got on Netscape and I researched UFO 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:23.480 Los Angeles and I ended up on the moufon MOF 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:25.800 on La had a website up and going. 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:28.280 This is hilarious because you ended up running this for 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:30.160 thirteen years and you need, yeah, what it was at 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:30.520 that point? 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:33.760 Right? No, I had no idea hysterical. 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:37.520 So I fill out this form and about a week later, 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:39.600 I get a call here at the office and I'm 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:42.280 sitting in the office where I was when I got 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:44.360 that call from a guy named Bill Casey, and he 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:47.600 was the director of investigations at that time. Super nice guy, 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:50.520 and he interviewed me for about I don't know, fifteen 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:53.200 minutes or something, just asking a bunch of questions about 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:55.080 me and about what I saw and all that. And 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:57.640 then he goes, well, that sounds like you had a real, 0:07:58.160 --> 0:08:00.680 real good sighting. And he goes, would you like to 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:03.720 come to one of our meetings? And I'm like absolutely, 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:04.960 you know, sign me up. 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:05.440 Where do I go? 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:07.440 And he's like, well, we're meeting next. I think it 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:10.400 was Wednesdays in those days. It was a Wednesday meeting 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:12.960 and I was out in Hollywood. So I drove out 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:15.880 there and met with all these people, and I just 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:18.240 kept going to meetings. So maybe I went to four 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:21.040 or five meetings, and then Don Waldrup, who was the 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:24.320 head of MOUFINALI at the time, invited me to join 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:26.160 the board. He talked to me a few times and 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:28.080 liked me or whatever asked me to join the board. 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:30.960 So I did and started going to the board meetings 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:34.000 and just seeing how they operate and kind of digging 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:37.440 into this thing. And of course, immediately after that incident, 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:40.120 the sighting, I just started digging into the books, right, 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:42.680 I ordered every I got hold of every UFO book 0:08:42.679 --> 0:08:43.199 I could think of. 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:46.559 Or fine, we're already kind of convinced this is something 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:49.679 I don't want to say supernatural, but not normal. 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:53.079 Not normal, Yeah, no, I mean just the propulsion itself 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:56.400 was enough for me. Knowing that these things weren't burning, 0:08:56.480 --> 0:08:58.760 or at least guessing right these things weren't. 0:08:58.920 --> 0:08:59.880 They weren't making noise. 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:04.040 They had zero inertia, so they had some anti gravity 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:06.439 capability that I didn't understand or know about. 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:09.000 See. But I like how you guys that are pilots. 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:11.960 I feel maybe you'll agree or disagree with me that 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:14.280 I think pilots seem to make better witnesses to these 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:16.720 kind of things. I hate when I hear someone tell me, oh, 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:19.000 this craft was two hundred and fifty feet across and 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:21.800 it was a thousand feet away. You know, I really 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:23.920 don't know what a thousand feet away is looking in 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:26.120 the sky. I just I don't know what accurate I 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:26.520 would be. 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:29.640 Right, Yeah, a little bit of a gauged eye, we do. Yeah, 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:30.520 it's pilots, right. 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:32.800 You know you were saying you thought about the propulsion 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:34.640 and stuff. I wouldn't even think in those terms. 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:35.400 Yeah. No. 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:37.360 The first thing that struck me, or the thing that 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:39.600 blew me away, was the fact that these things had 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:41.840 no inertia, that they were moving around in the sky 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:46.040 like gravity didn't exist. All these things happening are processing 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:48.800 at the same time, right, these things are real? What 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:50.880 the hell was that? All this stuff? And so I 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:53.160 started digging into it and you know, reading every book 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:54.880 I could get my hand on it, and go to 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:57.440 the meetings. And then Don decided he wanted to move 0:09:57.480 --> 0:10:00.160 to Florida, and so he just tapped me and said, hey, 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:02.040 do you want to take over? And I said okay. 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:04.680 So that's how I ended up taking over for move 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:07.160 on Los Angeles. And we had some really cool people 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:09.720 on the board too. We had Sondra Marsh she was 0:10:10.000 --> 0:10:12.840 an abductee. You know, most of the people that I've 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:15.120 met who were abductees, we had a lot of them 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:17.920 coming to the meetings month and month out because there 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:21.040 was no other place for those people to share their 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:23.760 experiences and not be laughed at or thought they were crazy, 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:26.640 and they could compare notes, you know. And for many 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:28.800 of these people, it was ongoing. It wasn't like something 0:10:28.840 --> 0:10:30.640 that happened, you know, when they were a kid and 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:31.600 it stopped happening. 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:32.360 It was going on. 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:35.200 So they needed like an outlet or a place where 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:38.359 they could actually feel welcome and talk about the phenomenon, 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:39.680 talk about their experiences. 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:40.480 Yeah. 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:42.640 Absolutely, Hey, Steve, to take a quick break there when 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:45.080 we come back and talk to you more about the 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:49.200 possibility of these sightings, of these crafts being military craft 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:52.520 perhaps or perhaps test craft, or perhaps from another country. 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:55.320 You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast 0:10:55.320 --> 0:11:18.760 to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We are back on 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:21.320 Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron. We're talking to Steve Morello 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:24.280 here about UFO sightings. Steve, I want to ask you this, 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:26.800 when you see some of these craft or you hear 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:29.160 some of these UFO stories, don't you think a lot 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:33.320 of them could be maybe test aircraft or secret military craft. 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:35.440 You know. This morning, as a matter of fact, I 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:39.000 happen to see an article about in China they unveiled 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:45.120 this hypersonic mock seven brone that's a developmental craft they 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:48.400 have and it's this huge triangle and a super high 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:52.920 tech and it can apparently launch weapons and other drones 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:56.079 off of this craft. Wow, and this is at an 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:58.120 air show, and this was just. 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:01.480 Like they're bringing out in an air show. It's so 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:03.520 it's like old technology for them then. 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:06.040 Yeah, right, so exactly. So I'm thinking, if that's what 0:12:06.080 --> 0:12:09.560 they're showing us, god knows what they have behind the scenes, right, 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:11.960 So don't you think that many of these craft people 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:14.120 are seeing are in fact something like that. 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:17.560 Yeah, yeah, of course. And the drones, you know, or 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:20.000 even skydivers. I mean I saw a guy he had 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:23.080 a video out yesterday. You know, this is this is 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:25.440 obviously not a meteorite, and it was a thing come 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:27.840 crashing down, you know, out of the sky. It was 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:30.959 sparkly orange, and then it split up into maybe I 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:34.559 don't know, ten separate same little things, but you know, smaller, 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:36.760 and they were all going in opposite directions and stuff. 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:40.280 Probably night skydive. You know, they tie those sparkly things 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:43.160 to their ankles because I've seen it done from the 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:45.960 from the skydivers' perspective, and they get into circles and 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:48.760 they do all these things, so, you know, misidentification of 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:51.480 you know, stranger stuff that's you know, night skydiving is 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:54.199 not something you see every night. And that happened actually 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:56.880 about four or five years ago after a Lakers game. 0:12:57.120 --> 0:12:59.120 They were doing it out in the valley and some 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:01.920 Lakers came out Staples Center and they filmed this with 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:04.280 their phones. Right, they were calling it UFOs, but it 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:07.240 turned out to skydivers. But going back to the question 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:11.560 of could it be another Superpowers technology, Yeah, I could 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:16.560 a hypersonic Mock seven drone. That's pretty impressive. Keep in 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:18.440 mind that thing's only going to fly in one direction, 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:20.680 which is straight right. I mean, if it's gonna turn, 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:24.080 it's gonna turn gradually because you can't put too much 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:25.160 stress on the frame. 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:28.520 You were talking about the slide earlier. Do drones have 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:30.560 the ability to do anything like that move? 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:34.000 You know, they kind of do nowadays if you mention it, Yeah, 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:35.640 they kind of do. Yeah, you can take a drone 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:38.360 and move it that way. But to have five drone, 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:42.000 or let's take three in perfect formations slide across the 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:44.760 sky in two thousand and one and they were all lit. 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:47.760 Each one was a light. That's not tech that we 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:50.800 even have now. To get that kind of separation maybe 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:52.960 a mile and a half in seconds and then have 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:56.200 the other two join up accurately in less than a second, 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:59.360 that's not something that we probably even have now. 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:02.679 The telltale of UFO not UFO is. 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:05.800 The change of direction something that's moving high speed and 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:09.480 bizarre looking. Let's say the TICTAC UFO good example, shape 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:13.360 like a tic tac, doesn't have wings, no exhaust plumage 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:15.840 or anything like that, and it's jinking like a ping 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:16.400 punk ball. 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:17.760 That's the way he described it. 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:22.200 Instantaneous changes in direction. At that point where you change direction, 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:26.120 you have infinite g So maybe a machine can take 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:28.200 that kind of load, But you know, you might be 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:30.360 able to design a machine that can take that load 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:31.760 for a while, I don't think we can. 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:35.280 But obviously that craft can because we have it on video, 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:38.360 and we have fravor any other people's reports of it. 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:41.000 Don't you think that it's possible? A craft like that 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:44.160 could be what if it's artificially intelligent control? 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:47.320 Yeah, no, absolutely, to see a craft like that does 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:50.440 not imply if there's something a biological entity in it. 0:14:50.880 --> 0:14:52.680 I never would leap to that conclusion. 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:53.880 We have AI. 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:57.960 Now, our AI is probably ten years away from feeling sentient, 0:14:58.200 --> 0:14:59.240 you know, totally sentient. 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:02.680 It moves up every time I interview somebody ten years 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:05.880 or twenty years ten. You know some of these guys 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:06.760 that they're saying. 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:09.880 Two yeah, well yeah, because More's law takes effect and 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:14.400 our processing power keeps getting better and better straight up, yeah, 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:15.160 no processing. 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:16.280 Yeah, it's like that. 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:19.360 So eventually, for all intents and purposes, they will be sentient. 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:22.760 And those sorts of machines, if you can write the 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:25.880 code that good enough, won't go insane in the depths 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:28.360 of space after years and years of travel or inter 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:31.800 dimensional travel. We're getting very close. So could some of 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:35.560 these UFOs be automatic automated? Absolutely, you could call them 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:37.840 drones from another dimension or another space time. 0:15:38.120 --> 0:15:40.160 The thing is we don't know. I mean, that's the thing. 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:42.680 I was going to ask you what you think is 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:45.480 happening with this phenomenon. Do you think it's possibly an 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:50.200 interdimensional travel happening. Do you think it's across the galaxy? 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:51.800 Where do you fall on that? 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:55.200 My personal belief after you know, talking to everybody and 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:55.880 looking at things. 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:59.240 You guys are twenty four years on this already. 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:00.840 Right right, yeah, God minimal. 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:06.920 But if you can defeat gravity, then you probably have 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:10.360 a very interesting understanding of time space. Our science, our 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:12.320 math tells us that there are at least eleven, if 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:16.560 not thirteen, alternative dimensions. Our reality might be comprised of 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:19.560 infinite slices of reality meeting You and I are talking here, 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:21.720 and then we make a decision that along another path, 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:24.760 and there are infinite numbers of us talking, having different 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:27.640 conversations more or less about UFOs. Right, So, all these 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:31.800 things are possible, and these UFOs or UAPs, whatever you 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:33.640 want to call them, seem to be able to harness 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:37.120 a science or a technology that allows them to move 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:41.560 in infinite slices of space time without inertia, without gravity, 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:44.480 defeating gravity. So in other words, they're not necessarily in 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:46.800 our space time as they move through it, yet we 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:48.800 can see it, and I don't understand how that works. 0:16:49.400 --> 0:16:52.440 A lot of these vibrational things, one of these interdimensional things, 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:54.320 one of these other theories. Is that where you're kind 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:56.200 of thinking this is happening from. 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:58.600 Yeah, are we seeing the object? Are we seeing like 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:02.520 the remnants of that? I don't know, man, It's we 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:03.720 go on and on about this. 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:06.920 Well, yeah, it's so hard. It's all speculation obviously. 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:08.960 Right, it's absolutely and I have no signs to back 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:11.160 up any of the mumbo jumbo I'm spewing right now. 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:13.720 But thank you for phrasing it that way, because most 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:15.679 people sit here and try to tell me exactly that 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:18.560 it is definitely an alien and it's definitely this based 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:20.840 on what Yeah, yeah, I mean it might be. 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:24.320 But you know, until one comes down, shakes our hands 0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:26.240 and then explains the whole thing to us, we're not 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:28.120 going to really know. And if we have to break 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:30.440 the code ourselves, it's going to take a while. Bob 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:33.280 Azar says that he worked on this technology, but he 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:35.560 never broke the code, and they never cracked the code 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:36.000 of it. 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:37.560 They seem to have, I mean. 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:40.840 They cracked the coat on some of the propulsion system, right, 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:42.960 These things would go up in the sky. Remember, Bob 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:44.720 would take his friends out to the desert and say, 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:47.399 watched this, and then then Wednesday night at seven pm. 0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:49.320 These things shoot up in the air and then dance 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:52.080 around and come down again. So maybe we're on the verge. 0:17:52.720 --> 0:17:56.040 Who was it the CEO of Skunkworks what was his name, 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:57.359 you know, talking about. 0:17:57.359 --> 0:17:59.359 Of course I do the guy who said we have 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:01.640 the technology you to take at home. 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:05.199 Yeah, exactly, he made that statement. He also said that 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:06.400 off camera. 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:08.639 To Jim Goodall is the guy he said it to, 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:09.960 and Ben Rich is the guy. 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:12.280 Ben Rich, There you go, ben Rich, thank you. The 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:14.679 way I look at that, though, is sort of like, 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:17.800 if we do have that technology and we're not bringing 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:19.879 it out to the public, not bringing out to the world, 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:21.560 it's almost a crime against humanity. 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:22.840 They're not going to care. 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:26.119 I know, the warlngers that they are. What does this 0:18:26.200 --> 0:18:27.280 world need energy? 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:29.560 Right? We need energy to move our cars, energy to 0:18:29.800 --> 0:18:31.160 grow our crops. Energy. 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:33.720