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Speaker 4: The top experts. Welcome to Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron,

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Speaker 4: and today we're going to be speaking with Steve Morillo.

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Speaker 4: Steve attended the United States Naval Academy, where he received

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Speaker 4: his Bachelor of Science degree in systems Engineering. He was

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Speaker 4: commissioned an officer in the Marine Corps, attended flight school,

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Speaker 4: and then served for seven years of active duty as

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Speaker 4: a jet pilot and a maintenance officer for his squadron.

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Speaker 4: After the Marine Corps, he worked for TRW and Aerospace Company.

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Speaker 4: He also became the director of Muffon LA in two

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Speaker 4: thousand and one, which he did for thirteen years, conducting

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Speaker 4: field investigations and monthly meetings up until June of twenty thirteen,

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Speaker 4: when he then headed up his own group called Upar's LA,

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Speaker 4: the UFO and Paranormal Research Society of Los Angeles Chapter

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Speaker 4: to investigate all things UFO and paranormal. Hey to see

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Speaker 4: a brother right on, So, Steve, you're a train pilot

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Speaker 4: and you've had some experiences and sightings that you consider anomalists.

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Speaker 4: Can you share a few of those with us?

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Speaker 5: First of all, never as a pilot, never has flying

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Speaker 5: a jet. I never saw anything. Didn't even believe in

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Speaker 5: that stuff way back then. That was back in the eighties.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 5: I went through my Marine Corps career like any other

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Speaker 5: normal person without any idea of UFOs or didn't think

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Speaker 5: about them, you know nothing. When I got out of

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Speaker 5: the military, become became a satellite engineer here in Manhattan Beach,

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Speaker 5: a place called TRW and I worked on a satellite.

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Speaker 5: I was the electrical power subsystem engineer for a Teachers

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Speaker 5: Flight seven and I did that for a couple couple

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Speaker 5: of years, three years or something like that, and it

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Speaker 5: into real estate. So then fast forward probably from the

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Speaker 5: late eighties early nineties to around two thousand and one.

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Speaker 5: In fact, it was May of two thousand and one

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Speaker 5: and I just come home from working out. I was

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Speaker 5: kind of beat up. I did I still do karate,

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Speaker 5: and had been a fight night. So it was a

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Speaker 6: It was about nine thirty nine to twenty something like that.

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Speaker 5: You know, my wife has me a glass of wine

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Speaker 6: So I'm looking out at the ocean.

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Speaker 4: The key here is you're relaxing in the hot tub

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Speaker 4: In the last instead of you saying, well, go ahead

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Speaker 6: I was alreadying that's what I did.

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Speaker 4: I was already also meeting a picture of who Steve

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Speaker 5: My wife's a sweetheart, dude, you know, you know she is.

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Speaker 5: She is just an angel, and so you know she

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Speaker 5: And then as they're coming towards me, my mind's making

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Speaker 4: And this is two thousand and one, So at this

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Speaker 6: No, no, I wasn't.

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Speaker 4: I was what's going through your mind that you think

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Speaker 5: Well, I literally knew immediately that these things weren't military.

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Speaker 5: chalked that up to like some jet that I don't

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Speaker 5: know about. There was no sound, and they were very

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Speaker 5: they were very low to my head. I would say,

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Speaker 5: maybe just a few hundred feet over my head. You know,

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Speaker 5: I fly hang gliders for fun, right, that's why the weekends.

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Speaker 6: I no, no, it's actually fun.

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Speaker 5: But anyway, so if I had to estimate their not

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Speaker 5: asthmath changed over my you know, as I moved over

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Speaker 5: my head, they weren't They weren't high in the sky.

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Speaker 5: They were low in the sky. So if you just

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Speaker 5: I knew immediately that they were not anything. And then

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Speaker 5: slide across the sky and instantaneously join up with your buddies.

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Speaker 4: So this is blowing your mind at this point, right

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Speaker 4: you have? Yeah, I never seen anything like it.

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Speaker 5: No, So I jumped out of that hot tub so fast,

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Speaker 6: Of course.

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Speaker 5: The first thing I did was I got down. I

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Speaker 5: call LAX because I'm right below I'm just south of

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Speaker 6: So I called LAX Approach.

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Speaker 5: I called tower, and I tried to find out if

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Speaker 5: anybody had these things on radar, and they all said negative.

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Speaker 5: And I was just flabbergacid. So I didn't know what

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Speaker 5: to do next. So I got on Netscape. Right, these

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Speaker 5: were UFOs. Nobody knows what that is. I know, did

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Speaker 6: Yeah? I got the word out. I got a facts out.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, I got on Netscape and I researched UFO

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Speaker 4: This is hilarious because you ended up running this for

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Speaker 4: thirteen years and you need, yeah, what it was at

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Speaker 6: Right? No, I had no idea hysterical.

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Speaker 5: So I fill out this form and about a week later,

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Speaker 5: then he goes, well, that sounds like you had a real,

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Speaker 5: And he's like, well, we're meeting next. I think it

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Speaker 4: Or fine, we're already kind of convinced this is something

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Speaker 4: I don't want to say supernatural, but not normal.

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Speaker 5: Not normal, Yeah, no, I mean just the propulsion itself

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Speaker 6: They weren't making noise.

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Speaker 5: They had zero inertia, so they had some anti gravity

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Speaker 4: See. But I like how you guys that are pilots.

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Speaker 4: I feel maybe you'll agree or disagree with me that

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Speaker 4: this craft was two hundred and fifty feet across and

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Speaker 4: it was a thousand feet away. You know, I really

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Speaker 4: don't know what a thousand feet away is looking in

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Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, a little bit of a gauged eye, we do. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: it's pilots, right.

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Speaker 4: You know you were saying you thought about the propulsion

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Speaker 4: and stuff. I wouldn't even think in those terms.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. No.

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Speaker 5: The first thing that struck me, or the thing that

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Speaker 5: like gravity didn't exist. All these things happening are processing

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Speaker 5: at the same time, right, these things are real? What

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Speaker 5: the hell was that? All this stuff? And so I

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Speaker 5: So that's how I ended up taking over for move

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Speaker 6: The telltale of UFO not UFO is.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, absolutely, to see a craft like that does

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Speaker 6: We have AI.

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Speaker 6: My personal belief after you know, talking to everybody and

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Speaker 6: Right? We need energy to move our cars, energy to

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Speaker 5: of their what they used to know. But anyway, Yeah,

440
00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:20,320
Speaker 5: so think just just from a mathematical perspective, it's virtually impossible.

441
00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,879
Speaker 5: Even if there's one, then there are millions, if not billions,

442
00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:27,080
Speaker 5: of these of these civilizations across our universe.

443
00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,240
Speaker 4: So that makes sense to me. They said that I've

444
00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:31,840
Speaker 4: heard before maybe Carl Sagan or somebody also said that

445
00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:35,639
Speaker 4: either we are alone or if there's two, there's a million,

446
00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:37,520
Speaker 4: kind of like what you were saying. Okay, we're going

447
00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:39,920
Speaker 4: to take a break here to Steve. When we come back,

448
00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,680
Speaker 4: we're going to talk more to Steve about the consciousness

449
00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,960
Speaker 4: aspect of this phenomenon. You're listening to be on Contact

450
00:20:45,960 --> 00:21:07,439
Speaker 4: on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network.

451
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Speaker 4: We are back on Beyond Contact. It's Captain Ron talking

452
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,720
Speaker 4: to Steve Marillo. Steve, I think I've heard you say

453
00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:17,119
Speaker 4: sometimes that maybe consciousness may be behind a lot of

454
00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,879
Speaker 4: this phenomenon, that maybe it's more of a paranormal phenomenon

455
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,560
Speaker 4: than a mechanical craft per se, Y, what do you

456
00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 4: think about consciousness?

457
00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,320
Speaker 6: That's a very very very very good question.

458
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:33,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, First I took one to answer. The first question

459
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 5: you have to ask is what is consciousness?

460
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:36,280
Speaker 6: Right? Where does it exist?

461
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,600
Speaker 5: Just as conscious beings, we believe that consciousness exists in

462
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:43,080
Speaker 5: between our eyes, in between our ears, right inside our head.

463
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:44,440
Speaker 6: That's where I well, some.

464
00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:46,440
Speaker 4: People believe that. Some people believe that, you know, it's

465
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,399
Speaker 4: just a receiver that we're tapping into a greater you know,

466
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 4: a record or whatever you want to call it.

467
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,240
Speaker 5: And that's kind of where I am with it. And

468
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,879
Speaker 5: it's even possible run for our consciousness to exist simultaneously

469
00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,479
Speaker 5: on in multiple dimensions. In other words, you're having an

470
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 5: experiences as Captain Ron right now, but you also exist

471
00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:07,120
Speaker 5: as something else in another dimension. In other words, consciousness

472
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,280
Speaker 5: transcends time space. That's a possibility. I'm not saying that's

473
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:10,680
Speaker 5: what I believe.

474
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 4: That hurts. That hurts the brain a little bit, Steve,

475
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:13,960
Speaker 4: I got to be honest.

476
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 5: Right right, No, it's bizarre. It's bizarre to think about that. Oftentimes,

477
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:21,919
Speaker 5: when people have experiences it directly with beings, there seems

478
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,040
Speaker 5: to be some sort of shift in their own consciousness

479
00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 5: that occurs the subject, right that the experiencer, and after

480
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:34,360
Speaker 5: the experience they are imbued with let's say, higher intuition

481
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 5: sometimes or a real palpable empathy for other beings and

482
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 5: things like that. Things happen and they change.

483
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 6: For me.

484
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,440
Speaker 5: After I had that sighting was almost like I had

485
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 5: a download it. It was as if somebody took a

486
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:51,439
Speaker 5: crowbarn pride my brain. Apart from then on, I challenge

487
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,200
Speaker 5: and questioned everything I heard like I can.

488
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 6: For example, this.

489
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,120
Speaker 5: Whole the election process nine to eleven, all that stuff,

490
00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 5: it's all in my mind challenged. Nothing true, nothing, Nothing

491
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 5: that they try to tell you is true because you know,

492
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 5: you see how things actually work.

493
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 6: You know, you just don't think.

494
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 4: It's going to get harder and harder. As we go forward,

495
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 4: Steve as Ai becomes more prolific and as how the

496
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 4: videos we see now could be deep faked. That's gonna

497
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 4: get even, but we see it now that it's almost

498
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:19,199
Speaker 4: perfect to me.

499
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 6: But oh it is like I use Instagram a lot.

500
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 6: It's entertaining for me.

501
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 5: Right, there's this one AI generation like thing I follow.

502
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 5: It's deep sea creatures that they've found, like in the

503
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 5: Marianna's trench or whatever. And they these are AI created

504
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,439
Speaker 5: deep sea creatures and they're they're showing you, like the

505
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 5: film from the Submarine of these creatures. I mean, you

506
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 5: see the particles of the ocean moving between their teeth,

507
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 5: and these bizarre looking monsters and the narrators talking with

508
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 5: a British accident about deep in the ocean. No no,

509
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 5: no, no dah, you know, and they look perfect. I mean,

510
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 5: if if you showed me that ten years ago, oh

511
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 5: my god, what is that thing?

512
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 6: You know? Oh my god, it's real. It looks real.

513
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:02,199
Speaker 4: So yeah, two years they'll have people looking exact and

514
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 4: we're not going to know what's real anymore. You wire

515
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:05,360
Speaker 4: right around the corner.

516
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 5: No, you know, in my business is mortgages, real estate,

517
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 5: that sort of thing. I can write a script, just

518
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 5: write a script, type it, give it to an AI

519
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 5: and it's just the face of a woman ahead of

520
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 5: a woman and she's talking with the British accent, and

521
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:23,639
Speaker 5: she delivers the script with pronunciation with emphasis, and the

522
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 5: lips are SYNCD and it looks entirely natural, entirely real.

523
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,160
Speaker 5: I mean as if I hired an actor to read

524
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,160
Speaker 5: the script. That's now, that's that's already old.

525
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 6: It's get really interesting around here.

526
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 4: Absolutely. Hey, Steve, what kind of reports do you hear

527
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,640
Speaker 4: from people? You know, what's the most common thing you hear.

528
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 4: Do you hear consistent reports about abduction or UFO experiences

529
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:46,959
Speaker 4: or are they all different?

530
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 6: Mostly different?

531
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 5: And abduction you don't hear about as much anymore, And

532
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 5: I don't know why that is. But yet the frequency

533
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 5: of abduction, you don't hear about that as much. Yeah,

534
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 5: I'm not hearing as much about that. Many more sightings.

535
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 5: People are filming, you know, bizarre UFOs all over the place.

536
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 5: You probably remember that Las Vegas incident where the kid

537
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 5: and his family had something come down in their backyard

538
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 5: and they're filming it. I never really saw any video

539
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 5: that was totally convincing to me, but they seemed affected

540
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 5: by it. Oh, you were asking about consciousness and UFOs

541
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 5: and stuff. One thing I wanted to bring up. Oftentimes,

542
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,160
Speaker 5: other phenomena occur with an experiencer after they've had an experience,

543
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 5: or even before they're conscious of their experiences. A lot

544
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 5: of times Poulter guys activity in the house, you know,

545
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 5: high sense of intuition even before their experiences, and maybe

546
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 5: because it's been going on since there were little kids,

547
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 5: you know, just weird stuff like that ghosts.

548
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 6: We had a gal that used to come.

549
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 5: To our meetings and she was an experiencer and she

550
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 5: had Poulter Guy's phenomena in her house. She had a

551
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 5: little girl and she actually filmed I mean, it looked ridiculous.

552
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,199
Speaker 5: She filmed this on her phone and then showed it

553
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 5: to me like the next day because we had our meeting,

554
00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 5: and it looked like from Ghostbusters at green blobby, slimer,

555
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 5: without the face, without the face, It just was a

556
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 5: green blob. She was filming her little daughter playing on

557
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 5: the living room floor there in front of the TV.

558
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,719
Speaker 5: The TV was on, and this green blob comes out

559
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 5: of the TV, flies like kind of in a like

560
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,880
Speaker 5: a little spiral towards the daughter and then veers off

561
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 5: towards her and she goes, oh, oh, you know, or

562
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 5: like makes it a little like exclamation about it. And

563
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 5: this is probably ten years ago or fifteen years ago.

564
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 5: You know, and she didn't need to fake that. She

565
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 5: didn't put it out in the public, you know, she

566
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 5: just showed me what happened the night before.

567
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,919
Speaker 6: I'm like, wow. And she had a boyfriend.

568
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 5: Who opened a they were having activity, and the boyfriend

569
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 5: opened a closet, a bedroom closet, and this gray being

570
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 5: jumps out at him or you know what's there, and

571
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 5: that scared him away, and so he was no longer

572
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:53,360
Speaker 5: her boyfriend and he ran off. But I don't blame him.

573
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 6: I don't blame him. Yeah, weird stuff.

574
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 4: Do you have a favorite case, Steve, that makes you

575
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 4: really believe that something is happening, something that you've heard

576
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 4: that like really compels you.

577
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 5: Well, the Bentwater case is very compelling. So many witnesses

578
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 5: and so much data.

579
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 6: Roswell, of course, lots of data, lots of witnesses.

580
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 5: Roswell happened. No doubt in my mind that Roswell happened,

581
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 5: and probably everything went to right. Pat, I love yeah, noah, Yeah,

582
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 5: that happened. In my own experience, a buddy of mine

583
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 5: and I went out to Skinwalker Ranch before it was

584
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 5: real popular to talk about Skinwalker, and we staked it

585
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 5: out for a few nights and we had some bizarre

586
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 5: experiences with the phenomenon.

587
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 6: We saw one little.

588
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 5: Red light floating around on the ranch, but that could

589
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 5: have been a guy with a cigarette, right, But we

590
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 5: had the phenomenon actually call me on the cell phone

591
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 5: while we were staking out the ranch, and I answered

592
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 5: it with speaker because my buddy was there with me,

593
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 5: and it made this weird electronic great, you know, weird

594
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 5: hello Hello. I hung up on it, and I was

595
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 5: thinking it was a kid who we had in town,

596
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 5: who we had asked him to show us where the

597
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 5: ranch was and we had his number. I called the

598
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 5: kid and I asked him, you know, did you just,

599
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 5: you know, spoof us? And I opened him up because

600
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 5: it was three in the morning and he didn't know

601
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 5: anything about it. He pretended like he didn't, so I

602
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 5: would think, well, kid, that kid spoofed us, and he's

603
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 5: just goofing around trying to scare us. So then we're

604
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 5: done with the ranch. We fly home and we had

605
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 5: been having electronic problems with the electronics the whole trip,

606
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 5: even before we took off for the trip. That morning,

607
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 5: going to lax I had a power failure at my house.

608
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 5: My buddy, who lives near Librea Libera tarpits. We had

609
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 5: a power failure at his place, so we couldn't charge

610
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 5: any of our stuff. We couldn't keep anything charged when

611
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 5: we were at the Skinwalker ranch.

612
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 6: That was bizarre. Everything would drain really quick, so we

613
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 6: had to have everything plugged in.

614
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 4: That's something I've heard a hundred times.

615
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, who knows why?

616
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 5: Right, anyway, come home and now I'm back in my

617
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 5: office and I've got to take care of some business

618
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 5: and I got to call a friend of mine. She

619
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 5: picks up the phone and though I'm trying to discuss

620
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 5: a little bit of business, and then this music is

621
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 5: playing on the phone and it's Loved Me Tender. So

622
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 5: it's Loved Me Tender, and it's like but it's like

623
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 5: Nintendo style.

624
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 6: Music, like boo boo boo boo, just like if it

625
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 6: was a Mario Brothers game or something like that. And

626
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 6: I'm like, hello, I'm going Kathleen, can you can you

627
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 6: hear me? Can you you know, can you turn that off?

628
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 6: You know? Can you turn that off? And She's like

629
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 6: what what?

630
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 5: So I just say, okay, I'll call you back, and

631
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 5: I hang up on her and then I give it

632
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 5: a couple of minutes. So the phone, you know, the

633
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 5: answering machine, can you know clear? You know, because if

634
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 5: you call right back, it's gonna be busy. So I

635
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 5: wait a couple of minutes and I call her back

636
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 5: and she picks it up and I go, hey, Kathleen,

637
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 5: I go, you know, that's a really interesting music you

638
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 5: have there on your answering machine. She goes, what, I go,

639
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 5: that music? She goes, I don't have an answering machine.

640
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 5: I go, did you did you hear the music? Didn't

641
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 5: you hear that music? And she's like, what music?

642
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 6: No, she goes, I couldn't hear you though, I'm like wow.

643
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 6: So that was weird.

644
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 5: So we finished our business later on that day trying

645
00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 5: to I'm at the City of Manhattan Beach. I'm trying

646
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 5: to get some stuff done with building and safety or

647
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 5: building I forget the planning department. And as I'm talking

648
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 5: to the guy, I'm looking at my contacts on my

649
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 5: phone and I'm watching on the little window of my phone,

650
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 5: and the contacts are just rolling. They're just like disappearing.

651
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 5: They're just like getting like as if the phone is

652
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 5: like here's something, yeah, deleted. They're all deleted. Now my

653
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 5: phone's not usable. And this went on for like a

654
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 5: couple three hours, and then finally my buddy from the

655
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 5: trip calls me and the phone rang. It was him,

656
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Speaker 5: and I'm like, you're not going to believe all the

657
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 5: weird stuff that's been happening, you know, like all day.

658
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 6: And he's like, yeah, I've been having some weird stuff too.

659
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 5: And then as I'm talking to him, here come the

660
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 5: contexts and they're coming back on the phone that was

661
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 5: bizarre and nothing's happening like this. Yeah, so there's there

662
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,959
Speaker 5: are a bizarre phenomenon that are associated with the phenomenon,

663
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 5: you know, not just you.

664
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Speaker 4: That's it's a T shirt right there, Steve, There's been

665
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 4: bizarre phenomena and associated with the phenomena, well, they're actually

666
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Speaker 4: Steve to take a break here real quick. When we

667
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 4: come back, we're going to talk to Steve more about

668
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 4: some of these strange stories and about his days at

669
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Speaker 4: Moufon in you pars, you're listening to Beyond Contact on

670
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 4: the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network.

671
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 4: We are back on Beyond Contact with Steve Morella. Steve,

672
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Speaker 4: we're talking about these crazy things that happen like when

673
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 4: you were at Skinwalker Ranch, for example. And when I

674
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 4: hear someone like yourself tell me these stories. This isn't

675
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 4: like a public story that you put out there. It's

676
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 4: not like it's in the news. I wonder how often

677
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 4: other people have these little bizarre things that happen in

678
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 4: life and they just don't tell anybody. Maybe they tell

679
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 4: a couple of their friends or whatever. People go wow,

680
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 4: how weird, and it goes away. We could all write

681
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 4: them down on the same day and put them together.

682
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 4: It would be like this massive thing to show us

683
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 4: that something weird is going on.

684
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,479
Speaker 5: Well, you know, I think that just about everybody, you know.

685
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 5: If you ask them, hey, have you ever had anything

686
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 5: strange happen to you?

687
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 6: They'll have a story blah blah blah blah happened or.

688
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 4: Steve, quite literally, I always tell that story people say

689
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 4: to me, like when they ask about the show or

690
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 4: what I do or whatever. If somebody is like dismissive

691
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 4: about it and they're like, yeah, no, I'm not interested,

692
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 4: inevitably they do the colombo for me. They're like, no, no,

693
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 4: I'm not really. Oh you know what. There was this

694
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 4: one time my dad and I were fishing early in

695
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 4: the morning, you know, one and they saw light. It's

696
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 4: amazing how many people have had an experience who aren't

697
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 4: interested in this tomic.

698
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 5: Right or want to avoid the topic. The same time,

699
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 5: we were at Skinwalker Ridge. We're driving around the ridge

700
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 5: and it's like, I don't know, Saturday afternoon, we're kind

701
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,959
Speaker 5: of hungry and there's not much out there, and we

702
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 5: see this sign for like a little burger joint restaurant

703
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 5: grocery store.

704
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Speaker 6: So we go in there and you know, it's about

705
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Speaker 6: this time.

706
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 5: So we go to the counter and there are these

707
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Speaker 5: two young girls there, maybe in their twenties, that are

708
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 5: like working the counter, and then there's the mom. You know,

709
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 5: it's family owned little thing. The mom's on the backward

710
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 5: and working the girl. And I kind of have a

711
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 5: loud voice anyway, and the mom wasn't too far away,

712
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 5: and I always open, hey, you ever have anything weird

713
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 5: happened around here?

714
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 6: That's what I'd ask these people.

715
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 5: Of course, everybody had the experience out there, and the

716
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 5: mom immediately goes no, nothing. Ever, you know, it's like

717
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 5: she got a little bit defensive. No, no, no, no,

718
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 5: you know, like she didn't want him to talk about it.

719
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 5: But sure enough, you know, daughter number one, the older daughter,

720
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Speaker 5: wanted to talk about her experience, you know, and then

721
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Speaker 5: the other.

722
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Speaker 6: Daughter jumps on and tells her story. And they were

723
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 6: both weird stories. I won't go on.

724
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 5: But then finally the mom like okay, and so she

725
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 5: like turns and she goes, when I was a little girl,

726
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 5: here we go.

727
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 4: You just said no nothing, Yeah, we got one.

728
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 6: Here we go. And her story was wild.

729
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 5: So she says, when I was a little girl, is

730
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 5: at my grandma's ranch, which is right over here, and

731
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 5: we were sitting out on the porch, and we were

732
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 5: looking at the field and everything had been cut down

733
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 5: and so it was just dirt. Like around four or

734
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 5: five o'clock in the afternoon, sun was still up, and

735
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 5: she goes, all of a sudden, in the middle of

736
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 5: the field, she goes, there was this whirlwind, like a

737
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 5: dust devil, but it was like super dirty, and it

738
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 5: was spinning, spin and spinning. And she goes and all

739
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 5: of a sudden, the dust devil stopped or cleared away,

740
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Speaker 5: and there was a naked American Indian standing there, a

741
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 5: man standing there, and she said he looked around like

742
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 5: he like he like looked around to see you saw them.

743
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 5: She said, he sprinted across that field so fast. She goes,

744
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 5: he was faster than a track star. He was so

745
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 5: fast and he just ran and.

746
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 4: See you know, yeah, you know. Now, now what do

747
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,439
Speaker 4: you attribute that to? Is that an alien? Is that

748
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 4: an apparition? Is that a ghost? Is that her mind?

749
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:53,280
Speaker 4: Is that a skinwalker? Indian was someone who was in prison?

750
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I know.

751
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 5: The older daughter said she had an experience coming in

752
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 5: to the Skinwalker area. So she's coming down. There's only

753
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 5: like one main road in forty Shane. She said, I

754
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 5: was a waitress at a bar in another town. I

755
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 5: forget the name of the town. She said, I was

756
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 5: coming home. It was about three in the morning that

757
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 5: I was going by the cemetery and she said, just

758
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,760
Speaker 5: as I'm going by the cemetery, this tall, skinny, white

759
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 5: thing runs out in front of my car and then

760
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 5: squats down on the other side of the road, on

761
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 5: the cemetery side of the road, and she says, I

762
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 5: almost peeed on my pants. Right, She stopped herself from

763
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 5: saying I peed my pants, And she said, I cried

764
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 5: all the way home. This thing stood up and then

765
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,720
Speaker 5: she said it sprinted across the cemetery. That was her story.

766
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 5: And then the other the younger sister told one of

767
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 5: a shadow person that was stalking her and she and

768
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 5: her girlfriend they were having like a sleepover or something,

769
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 5: and they called the cops and the cops said, yeah,

770
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 5: we're we've been getting calls. Actually wasn't cops, it was constables.

771
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 5: You know, the American Indians have their own law enforcement.

772
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 5: And yeah, so they all had strange stories. So, yeah,

773
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 5: you hear all.

774
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,439
Speaker 4: These stories from different people all the time, at least

775
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 4: the last twenty some years. Right, what's your walkaway? What

776
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 4: do you take away from all of that?

777
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 5: It's so hard to put your finger on, you know,

778
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 5: you kind of have to take it all in and

779
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 5: be non judgmental about it. How do you take that

780
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 5: those three stories right and come up with some sort

781
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 5: of theory? I don't think there is one theory that

782
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 5: can cover it all, you know what I mean. But

783
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 5: it's all interrelated. Somehow. We're experiencing a reality here, but

784
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,760
Speaker 5: there are other ways to experience that reality, sometimes through DMT,

785
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 5: sometimes through you know, meditation. I have a friend who

786
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 5: does meditation and she has these Kundalini experiences. That cause

787
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 5: time to compress. For her, she experiences time dilation and

788
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 5: compression with her watch versus her clock. It happens frequently,

789
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 5: and she'll tell me these crazy stories.

790
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 6: I'm like, what the hell is going on? I don't know,

791
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 6: no idea.

792
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 4: Well, I can't let you go here, Steve without talking

793
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 4: about bigfoot for a second. You know, Oh, I love it.

794
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 4: It seems that bigfoot and UFOs wouldn't really be connected

795
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 4: at all, Like one's impossible cryptid, and the other one

796
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 4: is to call it, you know, spaceship. So I don't know,

797
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 4: but there seems to be a correlation in these reports.

798
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 4: Do you think that that means that there's people that

799
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 4: are susceptible to believing in UFOs, therefore they might believe

800
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 4: in bigfoot, they might see both, or do you think

801
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 4: there's possible correlation between these two phenomenon.

802
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 5: I'll answer the second party question first. I think there

803
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 5: is a correlation between the two. But you touched on

804
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 5: something that I found interesting in my research. People who

805
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 5: are experiencers of one phenomenon tend to be likely to

806
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 5: experience other types of phenomenon. For example, ceofos experience ghosts,

807
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 5: have bigfoot sightings, why that is, I don't know. Is

808
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 5: it something about how we experience reality through our consciousness

809
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,760
Speaker 5: it's tuned differently, and those people have a different tuning,

810
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 5: so to speak.

811
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 6: I don't know. I used to think the Bigfoot phenomenon

812
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 6: was ridiculous.

813
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,919
Speaker 5: Even when I was totally in a eufology right, even

814
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 5: when I was studying it and knew everything and knew

815
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 5: everybody and talked about it all the time, I thought,

816
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 5: you know, Bigfoot, come on, you know, that's just ridiculous.

817
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 6: But I mean, over these last past.

818
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 5: Few years, I've come to realize that the Bigfoot phenomenon

819
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 5: is entirely real. It's been going on oh undred and

820
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 5: twenty percent. Yeah, it's it's if there's a podcast that

821
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 5: comes out weekly, Sasquatch Chronicles, Sasquatch Chronicles, he has at

822
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 5: least one or two with usually it's one witness used

823
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 5: to be always like two, uh, described their their experience.

824
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 5: The experience might be from when they were in the seventies,

825
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 5: when they were little kid in the eighties, or even

826
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 5: just like last week, something happened to somebody what's interesting

827
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 5: about bigfoot. At first, you take it, okay, it's just

828
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 5: you know, some sort of upright walking ape right. Sure

829
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 5: yet then, but there's a guy named thinker Thunker. You

830
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,439
Speaker 5: ever heard of Thinker Thunker. He's a guy that does

831
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 5: video and audio analysis, and he has a he has

832
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 5: a YouTube channel, thinker Thunker, and he applies science to

833
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 5: determining whether or not video is real, whether or not

834
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 5: audio is real. And he'll take he took and has

835
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 5: taken Bigfoot recordings, because there are tons of recordings of

836
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 5: Bigfoot howling or screaming the audio correct, yeah, and he'll

837
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 5: match the audio of bigfoot alleged Bigfoot screams from different

838
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 5: places in the United States. And the print, the voice

839
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 5: print is almost almost the same or if not exactly

840
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 5: the same and not and human beings cannot attain those

841
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,240
Speaker 5: frequencies with their normal human voice, with their normal lyrincs.

842
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 5: He thinks, or he has postulated, these things seem to

843
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 5: have at least two vocal cords, if you will, two

844
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,280
Speaker 5: ways to make sound. So that's bizarre. Lots of people,

845
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 5: not all, but lots of people have reported seeing them

846
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 5: sort of like shimmer into existence, sort of like active

847
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 5: camouflage and shimmer out of existence. Jimmy Church had a

848
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 5: sort of like a contact in the desert up at

849
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 5: Gilliland Ranch, and during that weekend there were people who

850
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 5: claim to see a bigfoot do just that. As it

851
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 5: was walking away, I spoke to one of James Gilliland's

852
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 5: hand there, the guy that works on the ranch. He

853
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 5: claimed that he got knocked down by one. He startled

854
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 5: one that was digging through the trash. He had gone

855
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 5: out there at night. This thing was, he said, it

856
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 5: was the size of a huge football player. Just ran

857
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 5: through him. And this guy was big, he was probably

858
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 5: six 't three. This thing just knocked him over like

859
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 5: he wasn't even there and just kept running. If you

860
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,240
Speaker 5: want to research big foot, there are thousands and thousands

861
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 5: of witnesses out there that have had experiences.

862
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 4: Yeah. Interesting, Hey, you mentioned your brother Jimmy Church. What

863
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 4: about what about you Pars? You know, I think he

864
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 4: and I went to a couple of your things a

865
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 4: couple of years ago, but I haven't seen much in

866
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 4: a while.

867
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Speaker 5: Well, we haven't done you, Pars. We got shut down

868
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 5: basically at COVID. The church just said okay, well we

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Speaker 5: can't have meetings anymore. After the two years two and

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Speaker 5: a half years, I just sort of I didn't have

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Speaker 5: the energy anymore to get the whole thing going again.

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Speaker 6: I just sort of like let it go, which.

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Speaker 5: Is a shame because I still get I still get

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Speaker 5: people requesting the meetings, and again, it's a lot of

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Speaker 5: the people who have had experiences and would like to

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Speaker 5: get together and.

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Speaker 4: Maybe you do it quarterly or something at least.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know what, that's not a bad idea. There

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Speaker 6: you go. I like it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, listen, I'd be happy to there. I love it.

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Speaker 4: Thanks so much for coming on, Steve. I appreciate it.

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