1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,120 Speaker 1: Before I get two carried away, I do want to 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: give a shout out to the hotel. We're staying at, 3 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: the Porto Fino Hotel Marina. Escape the coast at the 4 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: Porto Fino Hotel a Marina in Redondo Beach. Wake up 5 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: to the sweeping ocean views. Then dye Marina front at 6 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: the Balin kitchen, where fresh flavors meet stunning King Harbor 7 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: views at Dockside Adventure Center. Rent kayaks, paddleboards or take 8 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: our complimentary bikes out for a spin along the coast 9 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: and back to the hotel. Unwine in the living room 10 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: the Porto Fino, pours self served tap wall and soak 11 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: in a breathtaking coastal sunset the por Fino Hotel and 12 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: Marina where coastal charm meets endless discovery. Now let's get 13 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 1: back to our interview. 14 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 2: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 15 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 2: with iHeartRadio. 16 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 1: Hey, it's Almost Famous podcast. Been here. We're at the 17 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: reunion special with the Bachelor in Paradise cast. I have 18 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: the honor edge the pleasure of sitting down with some 19 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: of the winners from this season. Andrew and Alex you 20 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,759 Speaker 1: have been here forever. You are tired, So I hope 21 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 1: you say all the things that we want to hear. Yeah, 22 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:15,119 Speaker 1: and with. 23 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 3: And tired, we'll just wear you out, wear you out. 24 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: Tom. We did sit through the reunion today. Ye I 25 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: am going to touch on a few things where there 26 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: was some controversy surrounding you two. I didn't even know 27 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 1: that was going to be a part of today. I 28 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: didn't know that was even a thing. Really it was 29 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 1: so I need a lot of education on it, but 30 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: I'm going to start. It was something that well said. 31 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,559 Speaker 1: And we love to quote Wells here. We respect Wells 32 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: and love Wells here at the Almost FAM's podcast he said, 33 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: and and this is no knock on any other couple here, 34 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: I want to be clear on that, but he said 35 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:56,279 Speaker 1: that you two were the cutest couple to see born 36 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: from Paradise. How does that make you feel? 37 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 4: I mean, we did pay him, but out of a 38 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 4: pit check that we won. 39 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,079 Speaker 5: But no, I think you know, he Wells was there 40 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 5: the whole time and he was able to observe all 41 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 5: of us, And I feel like coming from him meant 42 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 5: a lot. And I feel like a lot of a 43 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 5: lot of our conversations, a lot of our interactions weren't 44 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 5: shown on the screen unfortunately, and I wish we both 45 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 5: wish that that, I would say. 46 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,239 Speaker 3: I would say the biggest thing though, is we hung 47 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 3: out with like the community. Yeah, so it was never 48 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 3: like one on one time with me and Alex. We 49 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 3: were together like next to each other, but we were 50 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 3: always with vaulved with everyone's conversation always like just like 51 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 3: a listening ear to whoever needs to be listening to you. 52 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 3: So like we were. We were just being good cast 53 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 3: mates at the same time. And also just like I 54 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 3: don't know, we just we're byd like you know when 55 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 3: you you're dating someone and you guys hang out in 56 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 3: the kitchen with the family. Yeah, that's that's literally what 57 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 3: it was. 58 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: It was like, you know, yes, that's strategic and intentional 59 00:02:59,200 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 1: because I just. 60 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 3: Kind of talking to you. 61 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 5: I'm just such a social butterfly. I say, I love 62 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 5: to like talk to people. 63 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 3: It just felt good to just bounce off of everyone 64 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 3: and then also talk things. It's just like you get 65 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 3: it gets weird to the point where you have to like, Okay, 66 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 3: here's a camera, Canna, you guys sit down, have your 67 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 3: one one talk. Talk about something structure. It's not her 68 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 3: environment like to be in. So I'm just like, why 69 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 3: put her in a situation where it's gonna make her 70 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 3: feel weird. Let's just stay around everyone and if we 71 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 3: have conversations that we want to bring up, you just 72 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 3: tell it to me right now. And that's kind of 73 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 3: how it was. It was just like we would just 74 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 3: bounce off of everyone's at like the whole atmosphere. That's 75 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 3: just kind of how we would imagine. 76 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: That actually helped you too when it came to the 77 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: end because people were like, no, I know who they 78 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: are as a couple. 79 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, because we were literally two people will be 80 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 3: us to you. We'll talk to this group and we'll 81 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 3: It was just strategic. 82 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 4: But when you think about it, I think it did 83 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 4: help us. 84 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 5: Like with Keith and Kathy, like I owe it to 85 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 5: them that we I think the last's backstabbing challenge that 86 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 5: we want because we got so close to them that 87 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 5: they were like, we couldn't vote for you for anything, 88 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 5: And I was like, if it wasn't for that, I 89 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:02,839 Speaker 5: don't think we would have won. So I owe them 90 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 5: my life. But I think I just planted, not planted 91 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 5: seat that's not a good word, but we. 92 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 3: Were we were just friendly and I don't think like 93 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 3: we never got outside of ourselves. We never changed up, 94 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 3: we never switched up who we were. I think like 95 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 3: throughout the whole show, we just stayed consistent regardless of 96 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 3: the money. Before the money, we were the same. After 97 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 3: the morning, we were the exact same. And if we 98 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 3: would have went set at home, we got set home. 99 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 3: But like, we won the money, so everybody else I'm. 100 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: Skidding, but yeah, but yeah, we're gonna get the money 101 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: and what it's going towards. We saw a little clip 102 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 1: at the end of the episode. I wonder, and forgive me, 103 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: you haven't been on Paradise before. This is your first time, 104 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: this is your second, Yeah, the second time on Paradise. Yeah, 105 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 1: did you feel like Andrew, this was like your ability 106 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: to kind of do this was different because of this 107 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: new environment, structure, kind of the new paradise. 108 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 3: I find it extremely funny when people are like, oh, 109 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 3: this isn't. This isn't the paradise I know and love, Like, 110 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 3: this isn't They're not. They're they're doing these challenges and 111 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 3: like we're doing something like if you're on those old beaches, 112 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 3: you're you're sitting around waiting for a date card or 113 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,479 Speaker 3: someone to come down, Like you don't you don't really 114 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 3: do anything, and the majority of the date or the 115 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 3: show or the episode is someone on a date, so 116 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 3: it's like, instead of like that, you just put a 117 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 3: challenge in there, so everyone's on the date basically. And 118 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 3: I thought it was more fun, like for me, like 119 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 3: being able to interact with Alex and like everyone else 120 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 3: in a competitive way and a fun way. After every 121 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 3: challenge you come back and talk about it, talk about 122 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 3: something that you did. I thought it was I thought 123 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 3: it was massive, you know, it did so much for everyone. 124 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 3: I think it's just way better than my first experience 125 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 3: in Paradise. It was hotter there obviously, and I was 126 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 3: just more comfortable, but also it was just it was 127 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 3: easier to talk to people, easier to you know, just 128 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 3: live there and be understand, like understand where you're at 129 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 3: in the environment. So I'm a massive fan. Obviously, the 130 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 3: voting out things kind of tough with you know, you 131 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 3: not knowing exactly everyone's how far along they are in 132 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 3: their couples. But other than that, like keep the challenges like. 133 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: You loved it. Oh my god, I haven't asked anybody 134 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: that yet. I mean, and I don't know, challenge many 135 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: people who have been there before. Kat obviously Hm Sean, 136 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: I think was in Paradise before. But you're the first 137 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 1: person I thought about asking that too. Yeah, did you 138 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 1: enjoy it? Outside of this beautiful thing? 139 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 3: It was just fun, Like we enjoyed. We had things 140 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 3: like we didn't get any of the keys really when 141 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 3: we were locked in. 142 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 4: The box, but it was still so much fun. 143 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 3: We had a great time, Like we were cracking up 144 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 3: the tent. One was amazing, Like I thought that was 145 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 3: one of the that was my favorite thing of that 146 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 3: was the best. Yeah, and it was the most, like 147 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 3: I get, I was the most tested in that relationship test. 148 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 4: Oh my god, dude, I over promised. 149 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 5: No, I over promised, And I said, oh I am 150 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 5: a good I'm like a camper. 151 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 4: I'm a camper. I know how to pitch a tent 152 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 4: and up there, I didn't know how. 153 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 3: Didn't do anything. I didn't do anything. And then like 154 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 3: she's like she's like, she's like you need to have 155 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 3: more patience. I'm like looking at I'm dripping. We just 156 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 3: like break down laughing, which was like one of my 157 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 3: favorite parts as well. Like we just like I'm just 158 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 3: like I'm pissed off, but I like we just start 159 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 3: busting out laughing, and I was like, wow, okay, like 160 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 3: it's really not that big of a deal, Like I 161 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 3: can relax, Like I know I'm getting like heightened by 162 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 3: this challenge, but at the end of the day, you're 163 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 3: just like kind. 164 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 4: Of gives like a not an insight, but like into what. 165 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 3: Maybe future hurdles working together. 166 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 5: It's like, you know, you were pissed off, but at 167 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 5: the end of like it's not that serious and laughing. 168 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 4: So I think it helped in that sense to like 169 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 4: work as a team. 170 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. No, And then we kept saying that like being 171 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 3: the best team, like we just need to keep you 172 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 3: just need to be a good team. And you were like, okay, 173 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 3: I'll be a good teammate then, yeah. 174 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: I mean, and it is one of the like most 175 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: endearing things about your relationship. And I when Will said 176 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: it earlier, I sat back and I was like, it's true. 177 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: You guys laugh a lot. Yeah, and you do. And 178 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: and I think there was a moment this season that 179 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: I actually got protective watching it because people were kind 180 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: of criticizing you guys or your childlike behavior. Yeah, is 181 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: that Okay, So with that being said, is that something 182 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: you want to keep in your relationship? 183 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 5: I will up this morning, That's the first thing I said. 184 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 5: I said, and my favorite thing about our relationship is 185 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 5: our childlike banter. I wouldn't like this, what do you mean? 186 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 4: It's we have so much fun, like yeah, why? 187 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 3: And then also like we come from really tough backgrounds 188 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 3: like life, like growing up. And I think one of 189 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 3: the things that she told me it was like there 190 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:34,959 Speaker 3: wasn't a lot of like love or happiness in the house, 191 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 3: like and I was total opposite, like same situation, but 192 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 3: my situation was just absolute love, absolute happiness because of 193 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 3: like our family, so like my family structure, even though 194 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 3: we were struggling, everything was like not perfect. We just 195 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,679 Speaker 3: loved to laugh and love to be around each other. 196 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 3: So I don't care when people say it's like, oh 197 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 3: they're childish. That is what I will always have in 198 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 3: my household is a Canty'll be like, okay, hey, we 199 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 3: can laugh about it. It's not that serious. And I 200 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 3: always tell her, I was like, never panic, it's never like, 201 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 3: don't make a bad situation worse. So I'm just like, 202 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,199 Speaker 3: what am I gonna do? Like being super serious about things. 203 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 3: It doesn't change how we're going to approach it everything. 204 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 3: We're gonna do things the best our ability, and we're 205 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 3: gonna have fun doing it. So that's kind of like how. 206 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 4: I almost lost my passport coming here and I didn't panics. 207 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just I was just like, I was like, Okay, relax, 208 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 3: and then she's like, oh, found it. 209 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:29,719 Speaker 1: I was like, look at that. I mean, I think 210 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: the only reason you could criticize it would be if 211 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: it isn't progressing your relationship. 212 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:35,959 Speaker 3: Yeah. 213 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 1: So as you sit here today, it's been a few 214 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: months since Paradise ended, you're still arm in arm. Yeah. 215 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 3: Oh no, we have our battles, Like we're not like 216 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 3: laughing through all times. 217 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 5: Has your relationship I'm upset and then we'll be laughing. 218 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 5: You'll say you're joking. I'd yeah, I'm. 219 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 3: A very serious person. People don't understand this. 220 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 4: I will say. 221 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 3: I'm not like just giggles all the time, Like I 222 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 3: have a I lock in, Like when I need to 223 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 3: be locked in, I'm like, I just don't take every 224 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 3: situation too seriously, Like you can't be taking everything too 225 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 3: seriously in life. Like everyone's like he's thirty making tiktoks 226 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 3: with Greg. Yeah, because we're having a great fucking time living. 227 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 3: But like it's just like it's just a lifestyle thing, 228 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 3: Like I don't wanna, I don't wanna like that is 229 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 3: my favorite part of my life is being light and 230 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 3: being able to share laughter with people. And I think 231 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 3: laughing with Alex on the beach was like the match 232 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 3: made in heaven for me. 233 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 5: So I'm like, if you know, it's gonna sound so corny, 234 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 5: but I always say I want to be eighty years 235 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 5: old on a porch with my person and old and wrinkly, 236 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 5: and if I can just have a good time or 237 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 5: just be, you know, laughing on that porch with you, 238 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 5: that's all that matters. 239 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: Your nervous with your hands out though, because we do 240 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: need Andrew to walk out of here today, I will not. 241 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: We needed him to stand up at some point, and 242 00:10:54,320 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: we're good this season. I'm not even like a I'm kidding, 243 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: you know, how do you feel watching that? I do 244 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: want to know that scene. 245 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:08,079 Speaker 3: It's like that's like us though, Like if you watch 246 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 3: a couple episodes before, she was like, oh my god, 247 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 3: my coochie sweaty or something like that, and I'm like Yeah, it's. 248 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 4: Just like I have no filter. 249 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 3: It's sound like a gross thing either. We're not like 250 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 3: we don't have like we have manners. It's your mic, 251 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So like people can hear 252 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 3: cloud loudly because it's on a mic. It's like screaming 253 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 3: from the rafters at a time and place. And No, 254 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 3: we're just very comfortable with each other. She's got that 255 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 3: like international vibe to you, where like they're overly comfortable 256 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:36,479 Speaker 3: with like sections. 257 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 5: Some international I'm from Canada and it's. 258 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 4: So comfortable talking about my friends. 259 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 3: And he was like, I'm sitting there and they're They're 260 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 3: like they're just way too close. I'm like, I'm like 261 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 3: waiting for some video or me or something like the 262 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 3: pop up. 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I think it 297 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:11,679 Speaker 1: was so fun and I do think it is one 298 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: of the reasons why you two made it to the end, 299 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: and I was so happy you did. One of the cutest, 300 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: most emotional moments for me this whole season was at 301 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: the very end when you get up and you meet 302 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: Andrew on the plateau and you said, I'm not good 303 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: at giving speeches, and he goes, I know, I know, 304 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: And it just felt like he knew you in that 305 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: moment so much more than I would expect him to 306 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: for the time being. I want to also add into this, 307 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: you said during the reunion that you're awkward. I think 308 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: these two things go together. Tell us about what that 309 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: means to you to be awkward, to know that you're 310 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: not going to be good at it, and for him 311 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: just to look at you and smile so I. 312 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 5: Think it's almost like that moment where I'm just backing 313 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 5: up a little bit when we expressed or feelings to 314 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 5: each other and I was nervous to say I love 315 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 5: you and you said, you know, he held my hand 316 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 5: and he said it first. 317 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 3: It was at first I didn't know where you're going. 318 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 5: Oh no, no, no, no, right, but you took my hand 319 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 5: because you knew how much I struggled with that word, 320 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 5: of course, and you stepped up. And I feel like 321 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 5: again when I walked to the plateau and he said, 322 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 5: I said, I'm not good with speech, it just felt 323 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 5: like such a safe space and like you knew me 324 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 5: exactly and you understand where I was coming from, and 325 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 5: you didn't care if the speech was oscar worthy. 326 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 4: It just came from the heart. 327 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 5: And I felt like, for anything my awkwardness, you just 328 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 5: don't see me. 329 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 4: You don't see it as a negative. 330 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 3: Really moments I don't think that like and. 331 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: I just want to. 332 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 4: Not almost with my friends. That's the thing. A lot 333 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 4: of it is the language bearer. 334 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 5: I'm going to be honest, Like, I know I don't 335 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 5: have an accent, but that's because I'm a speech therapist 336 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 5: and I learned not how to not have to have 337 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 5: an screen, not to have an accent. 338 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 4: But with my friends, I'm not that awkward. I'm like, no, 339 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 4: I think with cameras, I get it happens. It happens, right. 340 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 4: But to answer your. 341 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 3: Question, and the crazy part is like she's been in 342 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 3: like series for acting, like in like Canada and everything. 343 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 3: I'm like, how, like how do you do this? 344 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: And it's. 345 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 3: Like I've seen her reels. I'm like, you you memorize 346 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 3: all and you did all this. 347 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: You memorize. 348 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 3: You can't. You can't. You can't. 349 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: You can't say words what love does. 350 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, it makes you just exactly. But it just made me. 351 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 3: And then I saw these clips of Zindia and I 352 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 3: was like, oh my god, you guys are the exact 353 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 3: same person. 354 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 4: Right, and she's not getting crucified for it now. 355 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 3: She's like super socially awkward like in interviews, and I 356 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 3: was just like, this looks like like like Alex and 357 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 3: sounds like Alex. 358 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, she'll do a finger snaps anyway. 359 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. 360 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 4: But yeah, it felt really nice to just feel safe enough. 361 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: It feel safe watching it. It did. It felt as 362 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: a viewer. It was a good moment for you and me. 363 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: At home being like this is feels really healthy and happy, 364 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: and yeah, I. 365 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 5: Think you hadn't seen that throughout the season, right, And 366 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 5: it was the first time that we saw how like 367 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:07,719 Speaker 5: we can. 368 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. 369 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 3: I also people were like, this is so random, how 370 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 3: did they even get to here? It's just you know, 371 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 3: we like and that's why I like we used the 372 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 3: level thing as well. It's like it was just like 373 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 3: we just kept building, you know what I mean, just 374 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 3: kept going, just keep stacking each day and just like 375 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:24,959 Speaker 3: trying to find each other that way instead of like 376 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 3: trying to create this grand like love story. I don't 377 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 3: think that was in my head this this time around. 378 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 3: I wasn't looking for, you know, a rom com situation. 379 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 3: It just actually just happened, and like that was like 380 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 3: the best part about it. And I didn't want to 381 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 3: like mess that up by trying to like curate a 382 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 3: way to make this look a certain way. 383 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 5: It just and one more thing I wanted to add 384 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 5: is one thing that Andrew did that really made it 385 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 5: for me real And I was like, this is the 386 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 5: kind of guy I want to be with. Is you know, 387 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 5: I'm an open book and I will tell Selmer story 388 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 5: to tell a lot of people. I think that's the 389 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 5: way I cope. But did you you know I told 390 00:17:58,160 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 5: my story in my background how I grew up and you. 391 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 5: But one time, one night, we had to make a 392 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 5: really tough decision and I was really in my head 393 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 5: and I was and he looked at me and he said, 394 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,919 Speaker 5: do you think that you're it's hard for you right 395 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,719 Speaker 5: now because you don't like to let people down. And 396 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 5: it was like there right there, And then I was like, wow, 397 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 5: didn't he didn't only listen to my store, but he's 398 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 5: kind of like trying to understand why I act. 399 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 4: The way I act. That was like, I just felt 400 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:25,199 Speaker 4: very hard. So that was kind of like the AHA 401 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 4: moment for me. 402 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, you're just solidifying it's the cutest 403 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: couple in Paradise. I'm gonna ask you some tough questions. Okay, good. 404 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,159 Speaker 1: We are going to talk about some of the not 405 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 1: so pretty parts of Paradise. But before I do that, 406 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: I'm just going to transition into keeping on relationship topics. Okay, 407 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 1: have you talked about getting engaged? 408 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 3: Uh? Yeah, we flirt around with it. We just, like 409 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 3: I said, one step at a time. I think moving 410 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 3: in is the next step. We're doing long distance right now, 411 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 3: which is you know, pretty good since I don't like 412 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 3: work like a nine to five, so I'm able to 413 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 3: travel like I'll be here for the next like six 414 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 3: days and then I fly out somewhere and then yeah, 415 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 3: we just we just keep navigating. We have a really 416 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 3: healthy like phone to FaceTime ratio. I feel like we 417 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 3: just breathe on FaceTime nowadays. We don't even say words, 418 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 3: but it just feels like you're next to them. 419 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 2: So we do. 420 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 5: Like I'll in the future when this happens or when 421 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 5: I'm in Italy in my white gown. 422 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:25,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, but we talk about it. 423 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 4: But what we're going to do, we like to do. 424 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 3: Serious like right now or just yeah, we like scrapped 425 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 3: everything and just started dating, Like we took everything from 426 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 3: bachelorin Paradise and just like okay, reset right here, and 427 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 3: we just did this outside. 428 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: Version with Pinkberry. 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But yeah, she We're 438 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 1: writing letters and hoping she got it the week later. 439 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:49,439 Speaker 1: We had one rule in our relationship long distance, and 440 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: it was never leave each other without having the next 441 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 1: visit planned. So it could be a month from now, 442 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 1: it could be two months from now, but we knew 443 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: when we were going to see each other again. Yeah, 444 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 1: it just got excited. It helped just keep us like 445 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: in a rhythm. 446 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 3: And what do you want to do when we for 447 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 3: this day? Yeah, you could just start planning. 448 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: So my one piece of advice would be to leave 449 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,479 Speaker 1: each other without at least some meeting on the books. 450 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: I love that, you know. Obviously a huge moment during 451 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 1: the reunion and paradise was this tweet social media conversation 452 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: and lack of support that felt like wasn't given to 453 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 1: the right people at the right time. I just want 454 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: to give you to the really because I could ask 455 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: the questions. It felt like I would just make it 456 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 1: more confusing. I want to give you to the opportunity 457 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:41,439 Speaker 1: to speak into that situation and as much transparency as 458 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,959 Speaker 1: you can on why you made the decisions you did, 459 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,360 Speaker 1: what your intentions were behind it, and where you think 460 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 1: you went wrong or where maybe the communication wasn't clear. 461 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 4: I'll start. 462 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, So, I, as I've mentioned before, you know, going 463 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 5: into Paradise, I was really close with Jeremy and we 464 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 5: would FaceTime pretty much every day as friends, and he 465 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 5: had told me that he was friends with he was 466 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 5: really interested in Bailey, So going in I knew that, 467 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 5: and so I would say I had a stronger relationship 468 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 5: with Jeremy at the time, and then I was rooming 469 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 5: with Bailey, and you know, I wasn't close with her before, 470 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 5: but I've learned to really, really, you know, like her. 471 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 5: So when the whole Susie thing happened, knowing Jeremy, I 472 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 5: just thought that it was a moment of I think 473 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 5: of weakness where you know, his ego was bruised. 474 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 4: I think it was. 475 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 5: Do I think it was an idiot move, absolutely, but 476 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 5: I think it was on a spur of the moment, 477 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 5: like oh, you told me you wanted me, and then 478 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 5: you want to go let me call Susie. 479 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 4: Still not okay. Had I known. 480 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 5: What I know now, and regardless, I should have just 481 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 5: told her. I regret that and I've owned up to it. 482 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 5: And then the next day, you know, he told me 483 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 5: that they had talked, not necessarily about that phone call, 484 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 5: but they had talked and they were good with the 485 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 5: with with the date and everything. So I saw the 486 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 5: potential and the relationship, and I knew how much he 487 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 5: liked her because he told me on the side, he 488 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 5: was like, I really like Bailey, and especially that Susie 489 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:02,719 Speaker 5: was in the picture, and that he said that he 490 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:04,880 Speaker 5: was interested in Susie two For him to pick Bailey, 491 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 5: I was like, he must really like her. So I 492 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 5: didn't see me telling Bailey beneficial to her and their relationship. 493 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 5: And that is the only reason I didn't tell her, 494 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 5: was kind of to you know, support Jeremy and me, 495 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 5: like you acted like a fool. 496 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 4: You have to tell her, and you will. I thought 497 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,880 Speaker 4: he was going to do it, but yeah, that was basically. 498 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: Was there ever a moment that you felt like I 499 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 1: should tell her? 500 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 3: No? 501 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 5: Because I didn't know the extent I really didn't think 502 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 5: the phone call was a big deal. We never that 503 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 5: was a moment in time where did you tell her 504 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 5: we should tell her okay, move on? And I locked 505 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 5: in on Andrew and we never thought about it again. 506 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 5: I didn't even think it was going to be a 507 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 5: conversation in the whole season. 508 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 4: Never thought about it. I was like, Oh, it's done, perfect, 509 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:48,199 Speaker 4: be acting like a fool, you know, never until you know. 510 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 5: Of course, when producers come in and they're like, it's 511 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 5: gonna look bad, and you're like, I was so confused. 512 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 4: I was like, it's gonna look bad? What do you 513 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 4: mean everyone? No, I didn't know. Everyone knew. Yeah, I 514 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 4: thought he had come to me and Andrew, but yeah, 515 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 4: you know, so it's always twenty twenty and tough, but 516 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 4: and then anything bad. 517 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. I have a different point of view of it, 518 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 3: Like if people like been watching me for a while, 519 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 3: I don't like every single season I've been on, I've 520 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 3: had the exact same thing happen. Literally, first season was 521 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 3: a bachelorette. I got mad at a couple of people 522 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 3: for telling on Thomas. I'm like, like, why are you 523 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,479 Speaker 3: wasting time trying to talk about someone else's relationship? Other 524 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 3: than yours. And then it happened in Paradise with me 525 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 3: when I was dating Brittany Casey had like was trying 526 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,640 Speaker 3: to talk about how Pizza Pete called her a cloud 527 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 3: chaser while I was with her, I was just like, 528 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 3: what is your angle? Like what do you what do 529 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:41,880 Speaker 3: you stand in the game for this, Like I don't 530 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 3: understand when people try to intervene themselves in someone else's relationship. 531 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 3: I just felt like it's like a I want to 532 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 3: be a hero type of thing. So that's just for me. 533 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 3: For the Brian situation is completely different. I believe that 534 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 3: it was just not my business. I right off the 535 00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 3: jump when Jeremy told me, I was like, bro, you 536 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 3: should tell her, like you're omitting information, Like that's worse 537 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,159 Speaker 3: than like min it's lying. And he's like, oh, it 538 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 3: is that a big deal? I mean like it's whatever. 539 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 3: Like it literally was not an apparent conversation that happened 540 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 3: throughout weeks, like I didn't even think about it. 541 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 5: Like and to me too, I was like, you know, 542 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 5: I told him, so you know they're gonna air this 543 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 5: and he was like no, like we're good, it's not 544 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 5: a big deal. 545 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 4: So I thought in my head. I was like, Okay, 546 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 4: must really not be a big deal if you're so 547 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 4: confident that they're not area. 548 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 3: And then like and then we're watching Bailey and John 549 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 3: or Jeremy grow and we're just like, oh wow, this 550 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 3: is a really good solid couple. Like I'm why would 551 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 3: anyone even like think of like trying to ruin that 552 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 3: unless it's for personal game, So like that's my thing, 553 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 3: And then like going into the whole bro code thing, 554 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 3: like here's my thing. I'm gonna tell you I still 555 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,880 Speaker 3: stand on it, like I think, I think the way 556 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,880 Speaker 3: it was edited, it was turned like my conversation with 557 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 3: what's his name Brian a different way my thing was 558 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 3: is like you're you're seeing with him running on the beach, 559 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 3: like I'm with these guys, I'm seeing him. I'm like, 560 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 3: oh dang. Jeremy and Brian are app up at it early, 561 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 3: eat eating lunch together, even eating breakfast together. Brian is 562 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 3: in Jeremy's room NonStop. Him, Jeremy and in Dale three 563 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 3: peas in a pod, Like you would have known that 564 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 3: Jonathan was Brian's roommate because he was always in Jeremy's room. 565 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 3: And I'm just like that is so odd to me 566 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 3: that my friend wouldn't come tell me and be like, hey, man, 567 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 3: I think you're being an asshole and you need to 568 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 3: go tell her. If you don't, I'm gonna go tell her. 569 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 3: Then I'm like, that is not a good friend. I 570 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 3: bro code probably should be word to use. Obviously it's 571 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 3: gotten tarnished and like from some, but that's not the 572 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 3: bro code I live by. The brokeode I live by 573 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 3: is like, if my friend is doing something, I'm gonna 574 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 3: check him and hold him accountable for it. Okay, but 575 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,399 Speaker 3: it's not my job to do it for him, you 576 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 3: know what I mean. It's not my responsibility. It is 577 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 3: Jeremy's responsibility only to tell her, you know what I mean? 578 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 3: And then when you when and when he did, like 579 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 3: she still like took him back. So it's like, what 580 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 3: was the whole point of tell is saying anything? You 581 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 3: know what I mean? So it was never my business 582 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 3: to begin with because people are gonna do whatever they 583 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 3: want to do. So that's why I was like, I 584 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 3: always stay out of it. Obviously you're in a whole 585 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,399 Speaker 3: different situation being a roommate. And I feel for Bailey 586 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 3: for that, like, but for me and for a lot 587 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,160 Speaker 3: of the people who who like besides like Brian, Brian 588 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 3: had every right to tell her not I was never 589 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 3: mad at him for telling It's just it was sleazy. 590 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 3: You knew you could tell it wasn't because that he 591 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,640 Speaker 3: felt like Bailey should know. If that was the case, 592 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 3: he would have said it as soon as Jeremy said 593 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,199 Speaker 3: something he should have told, But he waited until, like 594 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 3: Jeremy dangled, like letting him go over his head one 595 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 3: episode doing the Godfather thing and he's like, I won't 596 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,199 Speaker 3: take being and talk to you lightly, Like I'm just like, 597 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 3: the evidence is there, But nothing wrong with him telling. 598 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 3: I just I just knew in that moment's intentions were 599 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 3: not pure and it's just and we didn't know the 600 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 3: full conversation and the full damage of what was going on, 601 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 3: so like in my eyes, I was just like, oh, 602 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,879 Speaker 3: it's just a phone call, Like why are you going 603 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 3: behind his back to talk about a phone call? Like 604 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 3: there's a moment of lapse, Like that's something he should 605 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 3: have said. Looking back on it, it was pretty bad, 606 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:15,919 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Just obviously seeing that and 607 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 3: watching that back, I feel for Bailey, like that sucks 608 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 3: in that situation. And I see Bryant's point, But my 609 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 3: thing is, Brian did it at an opportune time for himself. 610 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 3: He did not do it when it first happened, then 611 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 3: he should he waited for Like, I didn't even know 612 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 3: that secret rendezvous was gonna happen. So what happens the 613 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 3: rendezvous challenge never happened? Do you not say anything? You 614 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 3: know what I mean? Like, that's the that's what I'm well. 615 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 1: And it's aired. No, you're right, and it's aired, and 616 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 1: the two of them are to together and that's what's 617 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: important today. Celebrate that. Yea is I just sat with 618 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: him with Bailey and Jeremy, and they're as strong as 619 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: I could have ever expected. 620 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 3: And this saw that. 621 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and this was a small little blimp on your guys. 622 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: Beautiful story. Final question for you, Right, you got a 623 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: lot of money. I don't how much you money did 624 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: you get from this? Where's that money going? 625 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 3: Well, we signed, so it's we're both getting split like 626 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 3: sixty two something. I offered to give her my half, 627 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 3: but she said no. But the sixty is still on 628 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 3: the table if she wants to take it. But we'll 629 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 3: just figure out if you want to do something together that. 630 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 4: Said no, by courtesy, baby, don't bet. Don't bet for me. 631 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 5: I think financially the smartest move. I mean, I mean, 632 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 5: the conversion rate Canadian to U West is pretty good, 633 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 5: So I'm going to try to pay as much as 634 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 5: my student loan as I can. I think that's the 635 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 5: smartest move. I wish I had I could use that 636 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 5: money to save up for a house, but it's going 637 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 5: to go to the student loans, unfortunately. 638 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,719 Speaker 1: It's nice Andrew to offer that to you. Yeah, and 639 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: we're so happy as a Bachelor nation that you're going 640 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 1: to be able to help pay off some of those 641 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 1: student loans. That's so exciting, a whole new chapter in life, 642 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: not only financially but also romantically. Yeah, we're celebrating you here. 643 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: Congratulations again to the cutest couple to come from Bachelor 644 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: in Paradise this season, Andrew and Alex. 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