1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,280 Speaker 1: Find thankstores with me. It's a missing topboy. 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 2: Dane Paulson, just two years old, vanishes from his own 3 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 2: front yard. I means he grace. This is crime stories. 4 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us. 5 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 3: A two year old Oregon boy vanishes from his own 6 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 3: front yard. Authorities intensify the search for Dame Paulson, and 7 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 3: this is what. 8 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 2: We are learning from Sheriff Adam's Shanks. 9 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 4: At the time of Dane's disappearance, he was playing in 10 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 4: the front yard of the residence, out of sight of 11 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 4: his parents. Three hundred and eighty two acres have been 12 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 4: searched thus far, as well as two hundred and eighty 13 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 4: three miles covered. 14 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 2: That is Sheriff adam Is Shanks from Lincoln County Sheriff's 15 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 2: Department speaking. The search is on a co continuing as 16 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 2: we go to air. Right now for those of you 17 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 2: just joining us, A two year old little top boy 18 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 2: goes missing from his own front yard. 19 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: Now this is what we know so far. 20 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 5: Parents of Dame Paulson realize he has been out of 21 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 5: their site for too long. They look around the yard 22 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,279 Speaker 5: and inside the home and every place he could be hiding, 23 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 5: but not finding him quickly. A call is placed to 24 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 5: the Lincoln County Sheriff's Office and deputies are sent to 25 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:13,839 Speaker 5: investigate a missing toddler call around four twenty five pm. 26 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 5: Deputies immediately begin a search of the house, surrounding yard, 27 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 5: as well as the banks of the Silitz River. A 28 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 5: search for two year old Dane Paulson is hindered by darkness, 29 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 5: and the Lincoln County Sheriff's Department quickly organizes a search 30 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 5: for the following morning at SONA. 31 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 2: Joining me in addition to an all star panel is 32 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 2: a very special guest. Cecily Cook is joining us. When 33 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 2: she heard the call, she immediately responded to try and 34 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 2: find top boy Dane. Guys, for those of you just 35 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,759 Speaker 2: joining us, a two year old little boy is missing. 36 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: The search is on. 37 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything about this 38 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 2: little boy just two years old. Five four one two six' 39 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 2: five o six six' nine repeat five four one two 40 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 2: sixty five oh six. Six, nine cecil thank you for being. With, 41 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 2: us cincily tell me exactly what happened when you Found 42 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 2: out day was missing and what. 43 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 6: You did i'm like an acquaintance to. 44 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 7: THE family i Wouldn't say i'm a, close friend but 45 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 7: we had a lot of mutual, close friends and so 46 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 7: it came across my social media within thirty minutes of him. 47 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 6: GOING missing i had, seen it and, you know it's a. 48 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 7: Rural area people let their kids play in the yard all. 49 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 7: The TIME so i thought, to myself, you know they'll. 50 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 7: Find them he'll be somewhere tonight and by morning they'll have. 51 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 6: FOUND them i woke up at. 52 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 7: Five thirty the next MORNING because i just couldn't SLEEP 53 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 7: and i wanted, to KNOW and i got on social 54 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 7: media and Saw that celettes was asking for community volunteers to, 55 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 7: come OUT and i jumped right out of bed. And, 56 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 7: went thankfully my husband was off of work, that DAY 57 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 7: so i was able to get out there Really early, 58 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 7: sunday morning and we waited around for, some instructions and 59 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 7: around nine o'clock they started organizing. 60 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 6: Civilian searches and THAT'S when i. 61 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 1: Joined them when you, join them tell me what. You 62 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: observed we. 63 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 7: Had been standing around for, a while kind of up 64 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 7: on the bridge and across the way in the community, 65 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 7: boat park and, you know just discussing and looking around 66 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 7: at what we were allowed to look around at in, 67 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 7: that area and just kind of throwing theories back, and 68 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:16,920 Speaker 7: forth and there was a lot of, speculations happening a 69 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 7: lot of people trying to get. 70 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 6: A straight story of what was. 71 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 7: Going on and we were standing up at the bridge 72 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 7: and they had just brought out the sand heunds down 73 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:26,959 Speaker 7: to the. 74 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 6: River bank it roughly about. EIGHT thirty i, WOULD say i. 75 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: Didn't have my phone. 76 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 6: ON me i don't have service, out there so that's 77 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 6: just kind of a guess at. 78 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 7: The time and they were bringing the dogs down to 79 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 7: the bank and the dogs were going off and then 80 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 7: they went, back, up so, you know they were digging through. 81 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 7: THE brush i kind, of thought, you know maybe they 82 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 7: had found something and that, you, know unfortunately, you know 83 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 7: but it turns, out that, you know they still wanted us, 84 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 7: to search so they started putting together search parties and 85 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 7: we all started on if. 86 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 6: It would be the north side of. 87 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 7: The bridge so if you're facing, the property the bridge 88 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 7: is to the right side of, the house and we 89 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 7: were on the other side of the Bridge Where elk's lodge. 90 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 2: Campground Is dave MOYER With US georgia k Nine tracker, 91 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 2: master trainer program Manager At military contracts and very IMPORTANT 92 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 2: deputy k nine Instructor With San Bernandino Sheriffs, dave moyer. 93 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 1: The fact that so much time was lost in the. 94 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 2: Dark hours that's a problem because you saw the map 95 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 2: very very. Densely forested when they realize the baby is 96 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 2: gone from the, front yard it's quickly, getting dark so 97 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 2: a real full on search could not ensue till, the 98 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 2: morning although. They tried it's really hard to conduct a 99 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 2: search for a tiny tot in. 100 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 8: The. 101 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 1: Night. 102 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 9: Agreed agreed one of the benefits of that of being so, 103 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 9: heavily forested is that the scent of if he had 104 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 9: wandered off into, the woods is certainly going To be 105 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 9: it's a far more productive environment for his scent to. 106 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 9: Last longer so getting the trailing dogs out there trying 107 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 9: to track to where he might have wandered even the 108 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 9: next morning would probably would probably have been beneficial if 109 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 9: in fact he had wandered off into. The woods it's air, 110 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 9: productive ENVIRONMENT so i suspect that his his odor trail 111 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 9: would have lasted a lot longer in. 112 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: That, environment wait why do you, Say, that dave what these. 113 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 9: Dogs, are following or that the theory behind the scent 114 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 9: theory behind what they're following is as a person is 115 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 9: moving around you have all, the oils some of the 116 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 9: sweat raining, off you and also the dead skin cells 117 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 9: also called. Skin rafts what the dogs are able to 118 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 9: pick up on is that human to breed and is 119 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:56,559 Speaker 9: constantly being generated by your body as they're leaving a trail, 120 00:05:56,640 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 9: and walking and they're actually able to differentiate a mild 121 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,559 Speaker 9: decomposition of just that those of those little tiny body 122 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 9: particles that fall off, of you and that's how they're 123 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 9: able to determine. The direction so a welcome very easily 124 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 9: locate somebody in. That environment but again time is so 125 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 9: the essence because, biological DICTATE and i mean not just for, 126 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 9: the trail it happens, very rapidly even In a christine environment. 127 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 2: Like that Mag To sicily cook volunteer searcher who wakes 128 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 2: up at around five am in the morning it takes 129 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 2: off to Help. 130 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:31,719 Speaker 1: Find dane did You see dane's mother? AND father. 131 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 10: I did. 132 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 7: They had been out searching and had walked past me on, 133 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 7: the BRIDGE and i gave the mom some, weal wishes 134 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 7: but they're just really not in the headspace to hear 135 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 7: from anybody. Right now they're so concerned about where their. 136 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: Son, is sicily please describe their. 137 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 11: DEMEANOR upset i mean when the mom walked, past me, 138 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 11: YOU know i had tried to kind of, you know 139 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 11: some some, old wishes and it was like just staring into. 140 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 6: A void she's just so, stressed out. 141 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 7: So tired she's, not eating she's, not sleeping she's, you 142 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 7: know it's so rough on a mom to be going, 143 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 7: through that and she's just on autopilot. Right now she's 144 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 7: doing everything she can to find. Her son what about. 145 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: The dad the DAD is i. 146 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 7: Think he's really playing a strong role for the family. 147 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 6: Right now but you can just. 148 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 10: It's all over. 149 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 7: His face, you know they they're not handling this so 150 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 7: well emotionally as any. 151 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 6: Parent would. 152 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 7: You know they love, their kids their local, business owners 153 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 7: they're very, you know they're very prominent in, the community 154 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 7: and they love their family and they love, their community 155 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 7: and so this is something that's hit, them really. 156 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 2: Really hard joining me right now is a long time 157 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 2: colleague AND dare i say, Close Friend, anne bremner high 158 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 2: profile lawyer out Of the. Seattle area she's at An 159 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 2: less she's the Author of justice In the Age. Of 160 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 2: judgment you can find Her At anne bremner. Dot com 161 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 2: she's on every. Social platform and you Know why i'm asking. 162 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 2: These QUESTIONS and i don't want to ask, these questions 163 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 2: but from all my training as. 164 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: A prosecutor, and investigator you have to ask the. Obvious. 165 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 2: Question now, other sources in Addition To, cicily cook have already, 166 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 2: told me but they were, not eyewitnesses that the parents 167 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 2: are distraught and they are out on foot looking for. 168 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 2: Their child And as i'm, Saying, That anne i'm getting 169 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 2: Chills because i'm, You Know john David and lucy. MY 170 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 2: children i can only imagine what these parents are going. 171 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 2: Through outlooking but it heartens me to know they're out 172 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 2: looking and they're not hiding behind the walls of. Their 173 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 2: home Remember Like susan smith did after her horrible plea 174 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 2: where she's snotted, and all that they're, not hiding they're out. 175 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 2: There looking that means a lot, To, me. 176 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 10: Well it means. A Lot, and nancy if there's one, 177 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 10: child missing it's one child. Too many and you've been 178 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:09,439 Speaker 10: shining a light on missing children and people, for decades 179 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 10: and so you're asking all the, right questions and of 180 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 10: course they are looking for. THEIR child i Live, in 181 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 10: seattle This. IS oregon i have a Place in bend actually. 182 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 10: An organ we are like almost two thirds for us in. 183 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 10: These states and this is a pretty. RURAL town i 184 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 10: mean they're right on a river with all those trees and. 185 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,839 Speaker 10: Everything else so you've, got drones you've, got divers you've. 186 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 10: Got dogs they're doing everything they can do to find this. 187 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 2: Precious Child and bremner explain to me. Your understanding and 188 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 2: YOU and i have seen. It before YOU and i 189 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 2: have investigated, it before we've analyzed, it before we've brought 190 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 2: down hell on everybody that was. Responsible before How did 191 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 2: dane go missing from the? 192 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: Front yard what was the out? There playing did he 193 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 1: have siblings with somebody? Watching him? What HAPPENED and i. 194 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: GET it i grew up in the middle Of. 195 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:06,199 Speaker 2: Rural georgia we could play all day until six pm 196 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 2: till we heard the chimes And the. Methodist staple then 197 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 2: we need to, go, Home right and that, Was fine 198 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 2: and there are still Places in america where that. Is 199 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 2: okay this is not an attack on, the parents as 200 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 2: a matter, of fact it's the commendation that they are 201 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 2: raising their children in a place where there's little to, no, 202 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 2: fear right. Very rural everybody knows. Each other so what 203 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 2: do we know about how he disappeared from the. 204 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 10: Front, yard well that's exactly EXACTLY what i wanted, To, 205 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 10: know NANCY and i kept Going on google and, you 206 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 10: know circumstances of, his disappearance what was happening before four thirty? 207 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 10: That Day and i'll tell YOU someday i couldn't. 208 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 8: Find. 209 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 10: Anything now it doesn't mean there are details that were 210 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 10: given to the police at, the time but the fact 211 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 10: is it's just playing in the yard and then they 212 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 10: did lost track, of him and then he's not. There anymore, 213 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 10: YOU know i grew up like. YOU did, i mean 214 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 10: my mom whistled at. Dinner time we were out there 215 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 10: In Our steing ray bikes in, the neighborhood and my 216 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 10: parents didn't necessarily know where any of us were for a. 217 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:07,199 Speaker 10: Few hours but this. Is different the, POPULATION there i 218 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 10: think is about, twelve hundred and of course there's forest 219 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 10: around there in. A river but how long was he 220 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 10: missing before they noticed what was? He doing there's an 221 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 10: older siblings to, understand it and these parents are. Very 222 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 10: distraught but it's, really important as, she said to know 223 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 10: exactly what happened when he, went missing exactly what time, 224 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 10: that was to try and figure out where. 225 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 2: He, is now, you Know and i'm bringing up other 226 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 2: cases where children have, just disappeared literally snatched out of the. 227 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 2: Front yard and the first case that YOU and i 228 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 2: investigated together was that A Little. 229 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:40,599 Speaker 1: Samantha, runyon listen. 230 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:41,959 Speaker 6: She was labating. 231 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: Literally across. The path he's literally across. The path he purposefully. 232 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:52,319 Speaker 12: Exposed Her In, Orange, County California samantha runyon is playing 233 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 12: a board game with a friend in the front yard 234 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 12: of her apartment when a man approach is Asking if 235 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 12: samantha can help him find. His dog as the, man 236 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 12: talks he edges Closer to samantha until he's able to 237 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 12: grab the five. Year old samantha is kicking. And screaming 238 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 12: as the man is able to throw her in his 239 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 12: car and. Drive Away aaron runyon begins pleading for the 240 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 12: return of her DAUGHTER on. Tv news she holds Pictures 241 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 12: of samantha and promises she doesn't want bingas just. Her 242 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 12: daughter three, days later and fifty miles from, her home 243 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 12: the Body Of samantha runion is recovered in a rugged 244 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 12: Area Of. Riverside county this is the case used to 245 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 12: push Through the amberler system we. Know today we first. 246 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,599 Speaker 2: Saw our, Now Colleague aaron runyon. Speaking out that was 247 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 2: from our Friends At Orange county Register. 248 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: AND bremner i recall all. 249 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 2: Those nights in the studio that we worked On The samantha. 250 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 2: Runion case and she was literally taken out of the. 251 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 1: Front yard and remember the grandma was in. 252 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 2: The kitchen, looking out looking right out in the kitchen 253 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 2: window at, the baby and the guy, comes up grabs 254 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 2: the baby. 255 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,559 Speaker 1: And leaves there are other children Playing. 256 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 2: With, samantha uh everything, was fine and in, a moment it's, 257 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 2: all over and the grandma runs out and it just hell. 258 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 1: Breaks loose it happens just. Like that and do, You, Remember, samantha, YEAH. 259 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 10: Oh i remember like it, was yesterday and as it was, 260 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 10: so horrible and you're exactly right and making it happen just. 261 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 10: A heartbeat it's Just like i'm At. Am walls, you 262 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,839 Speaker 10: Know It's, john walls, you know shopping and, a store 263 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 10: and all of a sudden you turn around and they're. 264 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 10: Not there and the little kids can get, pretty fast pretty, 265 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 10: far away. Pretty quick but this is basically an induction 266 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 10: in Front of god and everybody in playing sight and look. 267 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 10: WHAT happened i remember it like it. Was yesterday what, a, tragedy. 268 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 2: Guys just like you heard Our Guests ciceley cook describing 269 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 2: waking up around five thirty am and rushing to Help. 270 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: Find dane the. 271 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 12: Search is on bond here show up at sun up. 272 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 12: To help look forward to Your Old, dane paulson who 273 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 12: has now been missing since around four thirty pm the, 274 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 12: previous day and law enforcement again setting up a command 275 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 12: post for search efforts at a boat launch across the 276 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 12: river from the. Toddlers home in a heartbreaking Post, On facebook, Dan's, 277 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 12: mother shaumette pleads with the public, for, help, saying quote 278 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 12: our baby. Is missing his Name. Is dane he's two. 279 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 12: Years old he looks like he's three. Or four he 280 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 12: was wearing navy blue shoes with, two stars, white sox 281 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 12: black sweats with a dark blue zip up hooded Fleece 282 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 12: With teddy bear ears on the hood of his. Zip 283 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 12: up hundreds. 284 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 3: Volunteer to search for a two Year old. Oregon boy 285 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 3: the toddler last scene playing alone in his front yard a. 286 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 3: River nearby. 287 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 2: How did this little boy disappear from his own? Front 288 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 2: yard you? Know what that may be neither here, nor 289 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 2: there because. It's done the search is what's happening, right 290 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 2: now and there is a chance to. 291 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: Bring this child. 292 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 2: Home alive this little boy playing in the front yard 293 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 2: when mom realizes. 294 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: He's gone the search expanding at. 295 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 12: This hour as the Search For dame, paulson expands officials 296 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 12: ask that volunteers remain out of certain areas and to 297 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 12: treat all areas as a possible. Crime Scene The Lincoln 298 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 12: County sheriff's office is being assisted By The Oregon, State 299 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 12: Police Lincoln City, Police DEPARTMENT, NEWPORT, Pd Fbi Celets, Valley 300 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 12: Fire Lane County, Sheriff's Office Clacamus County, Sheriff's Office Polk County, 301 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 12: Sheriff's Office Corvallis, Mountain Rescue MARY'S, peak Sar and REGION three. 302 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 12: K nine multiple search and rescue Teams and sheriff's pose 303 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 12: is along with the community volunteers are following search, area 304 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 12: guidelines as marine teams and divers are searching, the river 305 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 12: And The Lincoln County Major crime team AND the fbi 306 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 12: are also assisting with. Investigative leads with me. 307 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 2: Now from Crimeonline dot com Investigative Reporter. 308 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,359 Speaker 1: Dave MATT the fbi is Involved. 309 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 12: Absolutely nancy this case garnered a lot of attention in 310 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 12: legal communities and everybody. Joined in they picked up the 311 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 12: phone and, called saying we. Need help we've got a 312 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 12: huge area. To cover it's. Very difficult we need, every asset. 313 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 12: Every resource AND the fbi popped right in and started 314 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 12: Assisting The Lincoln county sheriff's Office, and remner a. 315 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: High profile lawyer out of. 316 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 2: This jurisdiction, and again YOU and i have dealt with 317 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 2: so many searches for children THE fb i brought and 318 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 2: what does that say? 319 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: To you something? 320 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 10: MULTI state, i mean YOU and i also Talked about 321 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 10: lindsay baumb remember, In, McClary washington kind of about, a thousand, 322 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 10: you know she was abducted and playing side off. The 323 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 10: FREEWAY so I mean i looked at something, like this 324 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 10: and although those cases of abduction are, pretty rare they're 325 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 10: out There like samantha and like And like lindsay and maybe. 326 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 10: This CHILD so i think that that might be one reason. 327 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 10: They're involved. Everybody's involved like we just heard in the 328 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 10: list that is so many Asiancies in oregon and Outside. 329 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 10: Of oregon it. IS unbelievable, i mean the attention to 330 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 10: this is amazing, and GREAT but i would think it 331 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 10: has something to do with some kind, of travel maybe Outside. 332 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 10: Of oregon i'm not sure what else it. Could be 333 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 10: i'd have to think about. 334 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: That, one yeah, multi story. 335 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 2: They're there they are looking at a multi state investigation, 336 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 2: right Now and i'm trying to figure. Out why, of Course, 337 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 2: and bremner it could be as simple AS the fbi 338 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 2: has been called upon to use. Their, resources sure we 339 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 2: don't know WHY the fbi, is involved but this is 340 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 2: what we're Learning From Sergeant, Jason Spano Franklin. 341 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 9: County sheriffs we are, using, drones, divers, watercraft canines and 342 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 9: even a sign cutter to thoroughly cover. THE area a 343 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 9: sign cutter is a highly trained individual on tracking techniques 344 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:27,919 Speaker 9: that involve finding and following signs left behind by people. 345 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 2: Or, animals okay that's for our Friends THAT. Kate G 346 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:34,959 Speaker 2: W hearing spano speaking. Day lawyer are you familiar with a. 347 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 9: Sign, cutter yes it's something that is, commonly incorporated and 348 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 9: ACTUALLY the us military used to use this back In 349 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 9: the vietnam era for some of the long range teams 350 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 9: where they go out and do the long range tracking teams. 351 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 9: UTILIZING canine a sign cutter is usually a visual tracker 352 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 9: is another name, for it and there's just varying levels, 353 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 9: of expertise and you're looking for anything, left, behind footprints, 354 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 9: overturned pebbles, broken twigs matted down for ass any number 355 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 9: of things that if you grew Up on WESTERNS like, 356 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 9: i did you used to See the indian practors talking 357 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 9: about on the movies all. 358 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 2: The time they a sign cutter looks for any trace they. 359 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 2: LOOK at I Know cecily cook has. Been outlooking she's 360 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 2: a volunteer searcher Searching for dane all sorts of hours of. 361 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 1: The, morning noon. 362 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 2: AND night a sign cutter looks, for things try to 363 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 2: send them in ahead, of volunteers even AHEAD of la. 364 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 2: Law enforcement they look for things like a. Broken twig 365 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:35,880 Speaker 2: they look for things. 366 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: Like, a thread a sock and an. 367 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 2: Odd location, for instance in the case we've just brought, 368 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 2: To you Abby. 369 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 1: And libby the two little girls murdered off the trestle Bridge. 370 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 2: In delphi portions of, their clothes like, a sock were 371 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:56,360 Speaker 2: found downstream from where their body bodies. 372 00:18:56,359 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: Were found so when a sign cutter sees. 373 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:03,120 Speaker 2: A that may mean nothing to, some people it will 374 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 2: mean everything to a. Sign cutter they look for subtle 375 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 2: irregularities that the rest of us may. Not See, cecily cook. 376 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:17,679 Speaker 2: Volunteer searcher when you were let loose with all of the, 377 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 2: other volunteers were you given? Any instructions did you see the? 378 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: Sign? Cutter no we. 379 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 6: Were told to try to stay in a. 380 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 7: Grid pattern unfortunately a lot of people out there didn't 381 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 7: really know what they, were doing and it is unfortunate 382 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 7: because a lot of places just, got TRAMPLED and i 383 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 7: don't know that that first couple hours was. Very effective 384 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 7: so they did gather everybody, back Together And, dan clinton 385 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 7: who is actually another local, business owner is the one 386 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 7: who organized all of the individual little search parties and 387 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 7: sent them out in. CERTAIN directions i had actually kind 388 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 7: of broke off on my own and went and looked 389 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 7: on my OWN until i have my own group. 390 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 6: Of friends show up and then we all. Look TOGETHER but. 391 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 7: I wanted to be able to kind of go off 392 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 7: on my own because a lot of people were being. 393 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 7: Very loud they're talking about soccer practice last week and things, 394 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 7: like that and you couldn't hear anything if, you tried 395 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 7: AND so i kind of went in an opposite direction 396 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 7: of where everybody. Else went and those were the THINGS 397 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:30,439 Speaker 7: that i was, looking, for, threads clothes handprints in, the 398 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 7: mud slidemarks where, somebody slipped, broken brush pushed, down brush, 399 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 7: You Know and i'm going and all the little tiny 400 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 7: holes a two year old could. 401 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 6: GO in i actually have, a BEAGLE and i let 402 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 6: him lead. 403 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 10: The way anywhere. 404 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 6: HE went, i, WENT sorry i have a little. 405 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 2: With me place, your baby especially at a moment, Like this, Hey, 406 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 2: Baby yeah i'm thinking. 407 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 6: About old and a one. Year old i'm glad they're 408 00:20:58,160 --> 00:20:58,640 Speaker 6: both home. 409 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:11,679 Speaker 1: With me crime Stores With Nancy. 410 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 2: Grace cicily what is the closest highway or roadway To 411 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 2: where dang's. 412 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:28,479 Speaker 7: Home is It's A, Kernville Highway so i'm not actually 413 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,959 Speaker 7: sure what the highway number is. 414 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,719 Speaker 6: On that twenty nine? Or two is that what? This, 415 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,479 Speaker 6: is yeah two. Twenty nine so we around here we 416 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:38,360 Speaker 6: call It The Kermville. 417 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 7: Selects highway it takes Us From Lincoln city kernville area 418 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 7: all the Way through selects and Out. To toledo it 419 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 7: connects all the way through and it runs in front of. 420 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 7: Their house so it does connect From The selet's bridge 421 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 7: where Like The salashan. Resort is it's kind of right in. 422 00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 6: That area and then it goes all the way over to, 423 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 6: you know straight. Through. 424 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 2: Street, selects okay well you're saying all the Way to 425 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 2: toledo are you Referring To? 426 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 1: Toledo street? 427 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 6: Of, course yeah that's highway where two twenty. 428 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: Nine, connects, yeah gotcha it's. To sell It's highway highway two. 429 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,199 Speaker 2: Twenty Nine, and brendman you Know where i'm going, With 430 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 2: This and i'm sure. 431 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 1: You recall as we, all do in the Case of 432 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 1: Shasta And. 433 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 2: Dylan gronie and of course at the beginning everyone thought 434 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 2: somehow family. 435 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 1: Was involved. 436 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 2: They weren't they were massacred. AS well perv was driving down. 437 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 2: The interstate It, Was, cordlane. 438 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: Idaho and if you look at, it above. 439 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 2: It looks very similar to what YOU and i are 440 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 2: looking at. Right now it reminds me very much OF 441 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 2: when i was camp counselor at a national forest and 442 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 2: when we would have campers come through with practically hold 443 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 2: onto them so they wouldn't get lost in. That forest 444 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 2: this guy driving along the interstate happens To see Shasta 445 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,120 Speaker 2: and dylan brother sister in an above ground pool and he, 446 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 2: pulls over lays, in weight kills a family and takes. 447 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 1: The children shasta. 448 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 2: Alone survived So what i'm saying is this connects To. 449 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 1: Is Sell it's highway two. 450 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 2: Twenty nine how fast did somebody get to an interstate 451 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 2: and be Gone? 452 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 9: With? 453 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,679 Speaker 10: Dane, well absolutely and that case was, So tragic and 454 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 10: again it was In The, pacific Northwest. Like oregon it 455 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 10: Was in idaho and At, cart lane a beautiful resort 456 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 10: where this is or The missing Tuddler Is. Sela shan 457 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:36,640 Speaker 10: the resort is. Stunningly gorgeous and you're talking about the 458 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 10: basically the coast Sign of oregon and this highway right at. 459 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 10: Their house it could be just Like The shasta. Grony 460 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 10: case it could be Just like Melissa And lindsay baum. 461 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 10: And McCleary that was like basically an exit and going 462 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 10: back on the freeway one oh one Here in. Washington 463 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 10: state and she was found many many years later In. 464 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,199 Speaker 10: Eastern washington of course she'd. Been murdered so right at, 465 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 10: the river, you know right at the. Highway, there absolutely 466 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 10: it's like some, other cases some of the tragic cases 467 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 10: we've seen here In the Northwest. 468 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: And oregon toddler playing alone in his front. 469 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 3: YARD vanishes a mystery car, Seen nearby please question. The 470 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 3: owner where is two Year Old? 471 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 1: Dane paulson. 472 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 2: What, if anything does a gold station wagon have to 473 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 2: do with the search for this? 474 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 5: Little Boy dang investigators canvas the area searching for any 475 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 5: clue or tip that may lead Them To dane paulson 476 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 5: and come up with a. POSSIBLE suspect a suspicious vehicle 477 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 5: and an adult male were noticed near a bridge close 478 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 5: to the family residence and the family is not familiar 479 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 5: with the man or his gold station wagon that was 480 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 5: parked nearby around thirty minutes Prior To dane. Paulson's disappearance 481 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 5: as law enforcement gets the word out about the gold 482 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 5: station wagon and the unknown, mail inside a tip comes 483 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 5: in with more info about the man and. 484 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:56,159 Speaker 2: His car straight out To Doctor angela arnold joining me 485 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 2: psychiatrist In the. Atlanta jurisdiction can be Found At ANGELA 486 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:06,919 Speaker 2: arnold md. Dot Com. Doctor angie that right there strikes 487 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 2: fear in every. Parent's heart why if your child is 488 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 2: missing in, the woods you got a good chance of 489 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 2: finding the child right with a tracker dog or just 490 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 2: by calling the child unless it's. Been hurt but if 491 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 2: somebody takes a child in a vehicle that's a whole, 492 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 2: another scenario and pervs have. It down they know what, 493 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 2: to do as in the Case that ANN and i 494 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 2: were just Talking About lindsay Baum Or samantha Runyon Or Face. 495 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: Sweat lick they know what, they're doing and they often. 496 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 2: Watch the child for a period of time before they 497 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 2: absconde with the child in. 498 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:46,679 Speaker 1: The vehicle then you're looking at. 499 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 2: Sixty mph it's nearly impossible to get your, child back, You. 500 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 13: KNOW nancy a couple of QUESTIONS that, i Have and 501 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 13: i'm sure some of the viewers are wondering. 502 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:55,360 Speaker 1: About, this also. 503 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 13: Is this typical for the child to play out in 504 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 13: the yard around? THIS time a BIG question i have 505 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 13: is how far could a child could a little bit. 506 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: Eat to your old. 507 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 13: TODDLER go, i mean they're talking about all of these 508 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,360 Speaker 13: miles and miles that. They've searched how could a little 509 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 13: guy have gone that many miles in a short period. 510 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 13: Of time you would think he would lay down and 511 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 13: maybe fall asleep at night or something. 512 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 12: Like that so, to me. 513 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 13: Those, those things unfortunately lend to the thought that he. 514 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,199 Speaker 13: Was taken and oh, My, GOD nancy, I mean i 515 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 13: am so sorry for these parents because if he. Was 516 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 13: taken it's like finding a needle in, a haystack isn't? 517 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 2: It well the tip regarding the gold station wagon hits. 518 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 12: A wall following up on a tip that comes in from, 519 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 12: the community the gold station wagon and the man inside 520 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 12: are located by local, law enforcement thinking this could be 521 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 12: a break in. The case officers follow up everything and 522 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,439 Speaker 12: determine that the man and his car are not involved 523 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,160 Speaker 12: in the Disappearance Of dane paulson and thank the community 524 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 12: for sharing in for me. So quickly they also use 525 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 12: this as an example of how tips related to the 526 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 12: investigation will, be treated and asked for the public to 527 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 12: continue providing information that could lead them to. 528 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 2: The toddler the search still active and gaining traction and 529 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 2: joining Me. Sicily cook, what instructions, if any were. You 530 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 2: given you said that it started off as a, grid 531 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 2: search but then it. 532 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 1: All changed what? Exactly happened you've told me the demeanor 533 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 1: of the mom, and dad and that. 534 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 2: Corroborates what i've, already learned that they are destroyed and 535 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,239 Speaker 2: they are out searching for. Their child what were you 536 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:36,399 Speaker 2: told any instructions? 537 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,120 Speaker 1: At all we were told. 538 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 7: That if we, found him not to, touch him to 539 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 7: cover him up with our hoodie or jacket and to going. 540 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 1: At help. 541 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 7: We were given some light instructions that's a grid searching 542 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 7: space out at an, equal space stay where you can 543 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 7: see each other within three or four feet of, each 544 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 7: other and continue on. That way we were told that 545 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 7: if we find any of the clothes that he was 546 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 7: described to be seen wearing when he, went missing not to, 547 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 7: touch it to go and, report it leave it where, 548 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 7: it's at take a picture of it on your phone if. 549 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 2: You can even after the signing of a Goal station 550 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 2: wagon as it relates to the Disappearance of dane that 551 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 2: ended up as a, dead end. 552 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: Questions arise as to lack of an. 553 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 5: Amber alert as the first forty eight hours have passed 554 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 5: with no Sign Of. Dane paulson memories of the community 555 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 5: want to know why an amber alert has not been 556 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 5: pushed out regarding the. Missing Toddler The Lincoln County sheriff's 557 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 5: Department explains dane's disappearance does not meet the criteria to 558 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 5: use the amber. 559 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: Alert, System okay. 560 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 2: Dave matg what does that mean no amber alert went 561 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 2: Out On dane pauls and why. 562 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 12: The real reason they? Mentioned criteria but the biggest one 563 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 12: is there's not enough descriptive in information about the victim 564 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 12: and the abduction for law enforcement actually ISSUE an amber 565 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 12: alert to assist in the recovery of, the child and in, 566 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 12: this case there was. No vehicle the gold station wagon, 567 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 12: checked out but there was no description, of, car person, 568 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,959 Speaker 12: or anything so there was nothing to. Go ON an 569 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 12: amber alert would have actually not been able to do 570 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 12: any more than say we have a, missing child and 571 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 12: that's not enough. 572 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 5: To issue three hundred eighty two acres have been searched 573 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 5: and two hundred eighty three miles have, been covered but 574 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 5: the numbers for areas searched continues to grow as the search. 575 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 5: Is ongoing in the first twenty four Hours Of dane, 576 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 5: paulson's Disappearance The Lincoln County, sheriff's office in coordination with, other, 577 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 5: local state and, federal entities have deployed eighty eight certified 578 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 5: search and rescue members, for watercraft, four divers, four drones 579 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 5: six human, trailing canines, forty investigators one hundred and thirty eight, 580 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 5: community volunteers AND the fbi is providing family resources Through 581 00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 5: Their Victims. 582 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: Services Division crime Stories With nancy grace. 583 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 3: In, rural oregon a two year old vanishes playing in his. 584 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 3: Own yard please ask for help from. 585 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,959 Speaker 2: The public, right now the search goes on for this, 586 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 2: Taut Boy dane paultz and last scene in his own 587 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 2: front yard and now words to. 588 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 14: The searchers as the Search for, dame continues law enforcement 589 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 14: is clear they would like to hear from the community, 590 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 14: with tips but are encouraging volunteers to limit their searching to. 591 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 14: Daylight hours the professionals are out, at night but it 592 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 14: isn't safe. For volunteers those interested in volunteering are asked 593 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 14: to check in at the staging area At The Elks 594 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 14: Dakoti ilahi Campground On selects Highway, In. Selects oregon dave 595 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 14: moy you're. 596 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: Joining, Me Tracker MASTER trainer k Nine tracker and it 597 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 1: goes on. 598 00:30:55,120 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 2: And on why do they say it's unsafe forolunteers to search? 599 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: AT night, i mean this child is just two and he's. 600 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 9: Out there that might be a liability driven for the 601 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 9: policy of the department and the search and rescue teams 602 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 9: that are. OUT there a lot of volunteers that aren't 603 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 9: trained to stomp around in the woods at night can, 604 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 9: easily fall get themselves hurt and then create another situation 605 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 9: where they would have the employee of the resources to 606 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 9: extract those people and give them. Medical care so obviously 607 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,959 Speaker 9: the point is not to injure and kill anybody else 608 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 9: while looking for this. 609 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 2: Young boy as a search is expanding at, this hour 610 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 2: we UNDERSTAND that la law enforcement has used every tool at. 611 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: Their disposal as the Search For dane. 612 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 5: Paulson continues the technology being used to find the toddler 613 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 5: is as good as, it gets with the use of 614 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 5: heat seeking drones high overhead monitoring the river running one 615 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 5: hundred feet From where dane was. 616 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 2: Last seen joining me right now Is Being Dobrin Emergency, 617 00:31:54,880 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 2: Medical Services Marine dive Team, expert dane And The Henry 618 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 2: Watt School professional Studies And Professors. Social work ben thank 619 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,479 Speaker 2: you for being. With us how would a water? Search 620 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 2: go are they selects river it opens directly to the 621 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 2: ocean at. 622 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 1: Some point the. 623 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 8: Water search would be very INTERESTING because i don't know 624 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 8: that body of water if. It's, moving obviously the first 625 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 8: place they'll search is, the closest the last known point 626 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 8: or the point where they would think that child would, 627 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 8: go in so they would. Search close AND then i 628 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 8: mean it's, a river so the water is going, TO 629 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 8: flow i just don't know what the flow. Rate is 630 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 8: you're gonna want to go downstream obviously, do that but, 631 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 8: you know if the water is not moving, too much 632 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 8: you'll search, that area whether it's going to be with. 633 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 8: Sonar first oftentimes you'll put boats in the water with 634 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 8: sonar to see if you find some sort, of anomaly 635 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 8: some sort, of target and then you'll put divers in. 636 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 8: THE water a river like that is so, you know 637 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 8: even even if it's one hundred, yards across it's still 638 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 8: miles long side. To side so at, a waterway you 639 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 8: can put divers in right where you think the child 640 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 8: went in to clear. That area but then you know 641 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 8: you've got miles and miles downstream and you can just 642 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 8: start putting, divers in but you're going to burn out 643 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 8: your resources, relatively quickly and so unless there's some sort 644 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 8: of reason why you think the target is in, an 645 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 8: area you're going to keep looking. With sonar or on, 646 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 8: the shore you can have a lot of shore. Based 647 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 8: resources the walkers who are looking on. The shore we 648 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 8: had a we had a child drowned recently in, my 649 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 8: city and that's we had walkers on. The shoreline, you 650 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 8: know in the reeds and in the trees and in 651 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 8: the grasses right on, the shoreline to see if something 652 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 8: will get. Washed up it could, be clothing it can be. 653 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 8: A shoe, you know those are, All clues those are 654 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 8: all pieces. Of evidence so You're not you're just you're 655 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 8: looking for anything that will give you a clue where, 656 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 8: where this where this Child is and so divers are a, 657 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 8: great tool but you know you can only cover a 658 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 8: very small area at a time with. 659 00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 3: A diver Missing Toddler dame paulson last scene wearing a 660 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 3: gray fuzzy hoodie, with ears blue and white shoes and 661 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 3: black pants with his family desperately begging. 662 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 1: For Help. 663 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 12: Dane paulsen is big for. His age he's, only two 664 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 12: but it looks to be three or four years old 665 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 12: as he plays in the front yard of the. Family 666 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 12: home dane is a friendly and outgoing child living in. 667 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,360 Speaker 12: The country dane plays outside in the yard around, the 668 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 12: house even out of sight for a. Few minutes his 669 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 12: parents aren't too Worried as dane is probably exploring around. 670 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:30,240 Speaker 2: The yard many people have been attacking the. PARENTS online 671 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,759 Speaker 2: i think that's totally uncalled for in. This area it's 672 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 2: routine practice for children to. Play outdoors, it's rural very 673 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,880 Speaker 2: very practically non existent, crime rate and it's certainly not 674 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 2: the first time a child has gone missing from the. 675 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:48,840 Speaker 2: Front yard these parents distraught out searching for their child 676 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 2: again not the first time this. Has happened does The 677 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 2: Name athenis strand ring? A BELL because i will never. 678 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 1: Forget it The. 679 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 15: Joy athena gave, her family and the joy sh you 680 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,279 Speaker 15: Felt on christmas is something we will never fill with. 681 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 12: Her again. 682 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,760 Speaker 15: That delivery driver admitting to kidnapping and killing, my innocent 683 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,360 Speaker 15: free spirited seven year old Daughter, On friday. December second 684 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 15: at the Time of, athena's abduction she was staying with 685 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,800 Speaker 15: her stepmother and Father, In, paradise texas doing what, kids 686 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,440 Speaker 15: do playing within the bounds of her father's property on 687 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 15: the same land he grew up and. 688 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 2: Played on that from our FRIENDS At, cbs texas, of 689 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,840 Speaker 2: course we're talking About Little, athena strand just seven. 690 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 12: Years old seven Year Old athena strand is at her 691 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,280 Speaker 12: father's House, In, paradise texas three Weeks, before christmas. Playing 692 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 12: outside when she's called to, Come inside athena. DOESN'T respond 693 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:41,840 Speaker 12: a quick search of the area turns up no sign 694 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,360 Speaker 12: of the child and police. Are called for, three days 695 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:48,239 Speaker 12: the search becomes a. National story Investigator's interview FedEx Driver, 696 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 12: tanner horner who delivered a package at, the home and 697 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,920 Speaker 12: he admits to Backing into athena that day and claims out, 698 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,920 Speaker 12: of fear he threw her Into his FedEx truck and. 699 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 12: Took off He strangles athena and leads police to the 700 00:35:59,000 --> 00:35:59,799 Speaker 12: creek where he left. 701 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 2: Her body at, This hour dave mac the search is 702 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:08,319 Speaker 2: going on for two Year. Old dane what does? The 703 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 2: search what's it comprised of? 704 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:14,760 Speaker 12: Right now the search is comprised, of, land, sea air 705 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:19,320 Speaker 12: using every, Resource. Available nancy they are targeting the area 706 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 12: around the house, and beyond looking using heat seeking from 707 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,239 Speaker 12: above where they could see like if we've got the 708 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,239 Speaker 12: little boy in, the woods they would be able to 709 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 12: spot a. Heat signature they're putting boats on, the water 710 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,439 Speaker 12: divers in the water, as well and of course there's 711 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 12: crews that are grid searching areas around, the woods but it's. 712 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 12: Very thick that's why they've talked about how difficult it 713 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 12: would be for a two year old to be able 714 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,320 Speaker 12: to go through the woods when adults are having trouble 715 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 12: moving things out of, the way. 716 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:53,320 Speaker 2: The search All The saltz river, going On and bremner, 717 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:57,080 Speaker 2: with me high profile lawyer out of, this jurisdiction who 718 00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,839 Speaker 2: was dealt with so many. Similar cases what is your 719 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 2: advice to searchers and to the. 720 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 1: Parents tonight keep. 721 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 10: THE faith, i mean they've, got dogs drones. And divers 722 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 10: just keep, it going one foot in front of. The 723 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,120 Speaker 10: other that's all they can do and hope for. The 724 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 10: best and we really hope to find. This child but 725 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 10: they're doing everything they. 726 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,759 Speaker 1: Can Do, cicily cook are you going to? Search, Again 727 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 1: yeah i'm actually going back. 728 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 7: Out Today so i'm an avid Kayaker and i'm an 729 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 7: avid camper of. THAT area i Kayak The slits river 730 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 7: three four times, a week maybe more during. 731 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,440 Speaker 6: The summer and during the. Warmer season so me. 732 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 7: And my best friend today are going to go put 733 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 7: in an, equit park which is more down towards the 734 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 7: bottom of. 735 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 6: The, river currently, right. 736 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 7: Now a professional search and rescue is focusing on the 737 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:44,960 Speaker 7: point of. 738 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,160 Speaker 6: The home and then two. 739 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:51,320 Speaker 7: Miles downstream they're saying that the water temperature is about forty, 740 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 7: four degrees it's moving about five to ten miles, per 741 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 7: hour and you can see about five to ten feet 742 00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:57,800 Speaker 7: in front of you under. 743 00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:58,279 Speaker 6: The water and. 744 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:03,200 Speaker 2: To You, dave moyer children have been found after. Several 745 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,840 Speaker 2: days it's not, over yet, That's. 746 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,120 Speaker 9: Correct and it really kind of depends on what the 747 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 9: canines they're able. To employ there's a couple of different 748 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 9: a couple of different disciplines out there in this case 749 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,400 Speaker 9: that the trail is going to be pretty much gone 750 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,000 Speaker 9: with the time that, has elapsed but you can do 751 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,920 Speaker 9: it's called area search dogs and live search dogs and 752 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,719 Speaker 9: search large areas. Very quickly and there's a piece to 753 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,520 Speaker 9: THIS that i wanted to. Bring up nobody's really. Mentioned 754 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,040 Speaker 9: it i'm not that familiar with the area for what 755 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:36,280 Speaker 9: kind of wildlife might be. Out there he's small enough 756 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,960 Speaker 9: that it is, possible that, you know perhaps a wild 757 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,160 Speaker 9: animal managed to pick. THEM up i worked a case 758 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 9: where a two year old was picked up by a 759 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 9: coyote and drug into the wood once several years Ago. In, 760 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 9: CALIFORNIA so, i mean these are. ALL options I don't 761 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:52,399 Speaker 9: i just don't have any information for what these guys 762 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,920 Speaker 9: are seeing on. The ground if there's any evidence whatsoever 763 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:55,480 Speaker 9: to point them in. 764 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 2: That, Direction Well, dave moyer none of us, want that 765 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,560 Speaker 2: but it's, a possibility and in our line, of business 766 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:05,239 Speaker 2: we have to look at. Every possibility being That Was, 767 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,359 Speaker 2: dave moore you're, joining us And Now, BEN dobrin i 768 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 2: Mean There's sean hornback And being omby that were found 769 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,560 Speaker 2: years after. THEIR kidnaps i don't want that here for 770 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,879 Speaker 2: that time to. Go by my point is there. 771 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,920 Speaker 1: Is hope it's not, Over, Yet, ben. 772 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 8: Oh absolutely it's not. OVER yet, i mean. You're right 773 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,480 Speaker 8: they have found kids who've been out in the woods, 774 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,920 Speaker 8: for days, you know and they're just kind of them 775 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,800 Speaker 8: down into a hole or in a gully or somewhere 776 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,920 Speaker 8: and there's waiting for somebody to. Find them one of 777 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,319 Speaker 8: the things as a public safety is this kid going 778 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,560 Speaker 8: missing is. Very important we just heard from the volunteer 779 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,280 Speaker 8: search and rescue person In. The kayaker everybody in the community. 780 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,120 Speaker 8: Wants this everybody wants. To help you better believe that 781 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 8: police and fire and in that's are out there and 782 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,160 Speaker 8: they are not going. To stop they want to find. 783 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,040 Speaker 8: This child they want to find in, the happy healthy 784 00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 8: and well, you know but they're going to keep looking 785 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 8: until they find no matter what. That means they're not 786 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,400 Speaker 8: going to be giving up. At all this is the 787 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,320 Speaker 8: focus of public safety in that county and the multiple 788 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,400 Speaker 8: counties around it and around the country. Right, now people this. 789 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,480 Speaker 8: Is important when there's a, missing child we have an instinctual, 790 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,279 Speaker 8: you know we want. To help we want to find. 791 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,800 Speaker 8: That child in the, fire police the search and rescue folks, 792 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,160 Speaker 8: out there they're not going. To rest the, problem is, 793 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:22,880 Speaker 8: you know after this goes on for two or three or, 794 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,319 Speaker 8: four days you've got to make, them rest and you've 795 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,840 Speaker 8: got to tell people take care. Of yourself you got to. 796 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,280 Speaker 8: Start staggering people, go home. Eat something but the community 797 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,400 Speaker 8: is pulling together and the community is not going to. 798 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,160 Speaker 8: Stop there They're going they're going to. Keep going, you 799 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,359 Speaker 8: know they're putting people out in the woods and those are. 800 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 8: Gense woods, it's tiring if, it's exhausting but people want 801 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,960 Speaker 8: to help and they're not going. To stop they're not 802 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,080 Speaker 8: going to stop until they until there's a reason. 803 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 2: To stop if you know or think you know anything 804 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:55,800 Speaker 2: about the disappearance of this, Top Boy, dane paulson please 805 00:40:56,239 --> 00:41:00,640 Speaker 2: nile five four one two six five o six. Six 806 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:06,799 Speaker 2: nine now we Remember an american hero Police Officer Nathan HEIDELBERG, 807 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:11,520 Speaker 2: Middlan pd texas, twenty eight shot and killed in the line. 808 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:16,680 Speaker 2: Of duty survived By Parents Nathan, england, Dean Sisters Amy 809 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:24,879 Speaker 2: Molly heidi american hero Police Officer. Nathan Heidelberg nancy grace 810 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:29,160 Speaker 2: signing off goodbye friend