WEBVTT - Did Knights Really Wear Suits of Armor?

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous Histories, a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to the show,

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<v Speaker 1>fellow Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so much for

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<v Speaker 1>tuning in. Let's hear it for our own Night in

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<v Speaker 1>Shining production Armor producer Max.

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<v Speaker 2>It is Max Williams Day, I Love.

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<v Speaker 3>I Love James Williams, the.

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<v Speaker 2>Third junior Senior Did you get esquire? Sure? And a

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<v Speaker 2>doctor in there as well, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Vaughan something also, that's mister Noel Brown, the one and only.

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<v Speaker 4>So Max, You're dubbed diploma mud and uh you've got

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<v Speaker 4>your PhD.

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<v Speaker 1>And they called me ben Bully tax purposes here, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>have you ever been to Medieval Times? Well?

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<v Speaker 2>I did once travel back in time.

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<v Speaker 4>I woke up in it from a dream and I

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<v Speaker 4>found myself in in a in a in some sort

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<v Speaker 4>of dungeon.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's not true. I made that up.

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<v Speaker 4>But I have not actually been to the restaurant, the

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<v Speaker 4>themed restaurant and attraction Medieval Times. The only experience I

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<v Speaker 4>have of it, frankly, is from the movie The Cable Guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah, my interaction is just knowing Jonathan Strickland renaissantly.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, what wouldn't you agree? Though?

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<v Speaker 4>Ben if If we've been to a Renaissance festival, we've

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<v Speaker 4>more or less had the Medieval times experience, short of

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<v Speaker 4>the crappier food at medieval times, because we can all

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<v Speaker 4>argue that ren rent fair food pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, of course, those carneies know what they're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Those carnies and those carnivores. All them turkey legs.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, I gotta say. I took some of the

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<v Speaker 1>friends of ours out for a group field trip to

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<v Speaker 1>the Renaissance Festival, and my girlfriend and I completely overestimated

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<v Speaker 1>the nostalgia factor. So we each got a turkey leg.

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<v Speaker 1>Those turkey legs are so big. Those are two people

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<v Speaker 1>turkey legs.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's weird some of them.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe it's like on a per turkey leg basis, or

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<v Speaker 4>maybe this is a feature of every turkey leg.

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<v Speaker 2>They got this real weird flap of like tend any

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<v Speaker 2>stuff in them.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, it kind of.

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<v Speaker 2>Pulls out like like a little like a feather, like.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, like a record. Yeah, there's got to be a

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<v Speaker 4>science name for that.

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<v Speaker 1>There is, hopefully, you guys outside, we we do have

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<v Speaker 1>We've been thinking about this. We've been thinking about, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the the iconic image of nights in Shining Armor because

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<v Speaker 1>as round tables, lances of lots, uh, there's no shortage

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<v Speaker 1>of fascinating painting work of works of literature and film

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<v Speaker 1>and TV now like Game.

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<v Speaker 4>Of Thrones, Monty Python and The Holy Grail. Is how

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<v Speaker 4>I know anything about the medieval time at all?

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<v Speaker 1>Frankly, yeah, 'tis but a scratch shout out to the

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<v Speaker 1>knights and knee. But no. You recall how these things

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<v Speaker 1>always depict these absolute warriors who were plated up like

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<v Speaker 1>little mech like mechs, dude, and they're they're doing all

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<v Speaker 1>sorts of crazy physical stunts and all kinds of punishing

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<v Speaker 1>weather and.

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<v Speaker 4>Yirling around those flaily thingies, the morning Stars, the Evening Star,

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<v Speaker 4>morning Stars.

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<v Speaker 1>Morning Star, You nailed the line. And then they fight,

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<v Speaker 1>despite the fact that they're carrying hundreds of pounds of

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<v Speaker 1>armor on them. They fight for hours against anybody and

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<v Speaker 1>they You watch this and at some point right during

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<v Speaker 1>a battle scene, you have to say, wouldn't most modern

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<v Speaker 1>people collapse after just a short period of even running

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<v Speaker 1>or walking briskly?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, because unlike the mechs ben, these don't have any

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<v Speaker 4>exoskeletal robo attachments.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a burden born by humans.

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<v Speaker 4>And yes, you know, because you've got to think there

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<v Speaker 4>are different situations where this kind of armor might have

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<v Speaker 4>been employed. The medieval times of it all being the

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<v Speaker 4>attorneys a little more you know, controlled, and then of

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<v Speaker 4>course you got folks literally charging into battle against you know,

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<v Speaker 4>an opponent that's out there to murder them.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, And that's our question today. Did knights really

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<v Speaker 1>wear suits of armor? To get into this? We were

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<v Speaker 1>talking a little bit about sports off air. One interesting

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<v Speaker 1>thing about football is that there's very little protective gear soccer,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean football, yeah, with shint guards is the one

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<v Speaker 1>that I always remember from being youth.

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<v Speaker 2>Do they still wear shin guards? Is that part of

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<v Speaker 2>the kit?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. But there's a great show by our

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<v Speaker 1>pal Miles called Ain't It Footy which is examining examining

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<v Speaker 1>football when we're talking about armor. What's interesting, guys, is

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<v Speaker 1>that for most of early human history, humanity was wrestling

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<v Speaker 1>with this huge life threatening dilemma. They were the smartest

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<v Speaker 1>creatures they knew, and the humans evolved to specialize in

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<v Speaker 1>various things like running long distances persistence hunting, But all

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<v Speaker 1>that specialization comes with a price. Humans don't have a

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<v Speaker 1>protective shell like a turtle or an armadillo. They can't

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<v Speaker 1>regenerate limbs like some lizards or other creatures. Humans are

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<v Speaker 1>bestified as squishy.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, they are perishable creatures.

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<v Speaker 2>They are dainty, delicate little flowers. For sure. We don't

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<v Speaker 2>do well under.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you don't have a shell, if you don't

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<v Speaker 1>have a great powerful maw of sharp teeth, if you

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<v Speaker 1>can't regenerate limbs, you have to rely on your tool

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<v Speaker 1>making abilities to make up for all the stuff you lack.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean, the human superpower or ultimate adaptive capability

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<v Speaker 4>would be the brain, the ability to reason, the ability

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<v Speaker 4>to think about thinking and figure this stuff out to

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<v Speaker 4>you know, improve their situation.

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<v Speaker 1>One hundred percent, dude. And this is why we find

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<v Speaker 1>it no surprise that body armor is an ancient human invention.

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<v Speaker 1>The first records of something like body armor as opposed

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<v Speaker 1>to you know, regular clothing is found in ancient sue Mare,

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<v Speaker 1>in ancient Samaria, in today's Southern Rock. And then if

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<v Speaker 1>you fast forward to like fourteen hundred BCE, you see

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<v Speaker 1>the emergence of something like heavy plate armor, usually like

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<v Speaker 1>a chest plate, just the one kind of like how

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<v Speaker 1>you would see a bulletproof vest today.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know what, I'm always fascinated by her.

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<v Speaker 4>When I think about like history of armor, I just

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<v Speaker 4>think about the kind of stuff that those kids wore

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<v Speaker 4>in the movie Hook, you know, like pecis of wood,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, various little tracks that they find lying around

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<v Speaker 4>leather under carriages, you know, I mean I think that

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<v Speaker 4>was sort of really the earliest form of ballistic protection

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<v Speaker 4>would be just real sturdy hide and the material.

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<v Speaker 1>Way more common than the armor that you see in films.

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<v Speaker 1>We know, of course, shout out to the Far East.

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<v Speaker 1>We know those folks had a deep history of armor

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<v Speaker 1>because again they realized factory setting human skin is pretty vulnerable.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why we invent in clothing right in each of

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<v Speaker 1>these cases. And I know you love this concept. We

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<v Speaker 1>see parallel thinking. It depends the armor they make, depends

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<v Speaker 1>on the material resources and the crafting techniques that their

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<v Speaker 1>arbors had at the time. So it's interesting, and shout

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<v Speaker 1>out to our research associate Jabari. It's interesting to think

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<v Speaker 1>that if we took a blacksmith from medieval Europe and

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<v Speaker 1>showed him armor from far Japan or from China, he

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<v Speaker 1>would be fascinated by the different materials. He'd be fascinated

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<v Speaker 1>by the manufacturing, but he would immediately know exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>he was looking at because he was making the same

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<v Speaker 1>stuff too. Well.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, this is the kind of parallel thinking that

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't isn't doesn't require too much of elite because, as

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<v Speaker 4>you said, man, humans are inherently squishy creatures, and it

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<v Speaker 4>is a very self serving and pretty intuitive idea to

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<v Speaker 4>what if we could protect ourselves from getting squished?

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly. Yeah, And our hypothetical Blacksmith here is, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the odds are stacked in his favor because armor is

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<v Speaker 1>human shaped.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, I mean, gosh. Another one, yes, percent. Another one

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<v Speaker 4>that comes to mind is there is a segment in

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<v Speaker 4>the incredibly delightful Cohen Brothers anthology film was It Buster Scruggs. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>where Stephen Root, the delightful character actor who plays like

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<v Speaker 4>a banker who's being robbed by I want to say,

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<v Speaker 4>James Franco just pre cancelation. He emerges from behind the

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<v Speaker 4>cash counter covered in pots and pans, you know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>And it's just like this stuff could have been improvised

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<v Speaker 4>so many ways, just by stuff that was laying around,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's just such a like human instinct to be like,

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<v Speaker 4>how do I kind of turtle up and protect myself?

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<v Speaker 1>And another thing that would astonish our hypothetical blacksmith would

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<v Speaker 1>be the sheer cost of this heavy fit. That's that's

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<v Speaker 1>where we get to the myth busting. And that's why

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're right about people mcguvery more often than

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<v Speaker 1>they manufactured. You know, like we all remember those films

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<v Speaker 1>where we all know how Hollywood loves to spotlight military

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<v Speaker 1>dress and huge battle scenes. You got kitted out nights.

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<v Speaker 1>They're charging toward the enemy on horses, They're waving their lances, screaming, treating, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>hootin and such. That stuff definitely did happen, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was nowhere near as glamorous as the films imply for sure.

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<v Speaker 4>And if you do get a chance, I know we

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<v Speaker 4>always are shouting out the met in New York City.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a wing of that massive place that is all

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<v Speaker 4>just like medieval armor, and you're gonna see a range

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<v Speaker 4>of stuff, including the much more elaborate, fearsome, looking for

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<v Speaker 4>lack of a better word, at the moment, ceremonial kind

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<v Speaker 4>of stuff. Oh, it would have maybe been designed to

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<v Speaker 4>be worn by a king, or to designate some higher

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<v Speaker 4>level figure who maybe wasn't necessarily going to be out

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<v Speaker 4>there swinging the sword, but needed to look the part.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, it's weird too, because now you mentioned that.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing that always bugged me in the world of

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<v Speaker 1>rap and hip hop would be when more conservative folks

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<v Speaker 1>would criticize an album cover that shows, maybe shows a

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<v Speaker 1>guy with a bunch of chains, gold chains on his neck,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's holding a couple of guns and he's got

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<v Speaker 1>a pile of cash. That's exactly what those portraits were like.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, oh goshde only it was more like.

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<v Speaker 5>A sword, some sword coal, perhaps maybe a giant roast

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<v Speaker 5>beast of some sort, and piled up coins and perhaps

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<v Speaker 5>a damsel of some variety.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course, yeah, those suits are part of the

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<v Speaker 1>flex because and often.

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<v Speaker 2>A very skinny looking wayfish dog. Yes, weird.

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<v Speaker 1>For some reason, I always like to picture the great

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<v Speaker 1>masters of art back in the day saying, uh, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we can add one more thing in the corner. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm actually pretty good at drawing this specific type of dog.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, exactly, the wayfish, little spind So this is

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<v Speaker 2>why it's such a flex. A full suit of armor

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<v Speaker 2>to get in your heads, ridiculous historians, the kind of

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<v Speaker 2>armor you're thinking about right now in the fourteen hundred CE,

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<v Speaker 2>this would have cost the equivalent of three million dollars

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<v Speaker 2>for one suit. What kind of materials are we talking about? Ben?

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<v Speaker 2>Is this made of like solid gold?

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<v Speaker 1>So much stuff? The problem was manufacturing these things took

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<v Speaker 1>so much time. You're essentially telling a team of very

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<v Speaker 1>highly skilled laborers this is the rest of your year.

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<v Speaker 2>So okay, well no, it's I mean, and I know

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<v Speaker 2>I've been nerding out on watches lately, as if you been.

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<v Speaker 2>At least we have been together.

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<v Speaker 4>There are some companies that will produce like fifty watches

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<v Speaker 4>a year because it is all hand machined, designed in

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<v Speaker 4>house like and those are the ones that maybe retail

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<v Speaker 4>might be two hundred thousand dollars, but there's so few

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<v Speaker 4>of them that they become worth like five times that

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<v Speaker 4>on auction or in resale, same deal. It's a matter

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<v Speaker 4>of time, commitment, and how many of these things can

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<v Speaker 4>you pump out?

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<v Speaker 2>These suits? And who are you working for?

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<v Speaker 4>Like, it's one thing to make stuff for the troops,

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<v Speaker 4>for the infantry, but it's another thing to be working

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<v Speaker 4>on these much more elaborate, high end pieces that would

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<v Speaker 4>be for generals and top folks.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, especially when you think of the ornate filigrees and

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<v Speaker 1>all the details, which is the armor version of complications

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<v Speaker 1>and a fancy watch.

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<v Speaker 2>You got, you got different combinations of metals.

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<v Speaker 4>You've got all these little touches that maybe absolutely are

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<v Speaker 4>gold or various precious metals mixed in with the more

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<v Speaker 4>durable stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I'm excited to get into this, Ben.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, well we know, like you were saying, no,

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<v Speaker 1>most soldiers in real life, and indeed a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people who are technically knights, they had nothing near this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>They did the best with what they had a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of times, like and pants would just like a little

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<v Speaker 1>chain mail.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe a chess plate.

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<v Speaker 1>If they knew the Celts. Yeah, maybe a chess plate

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<v Speaker 1>if they had a good lord who would supply them well.

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<v Speaker 1>During the early Middle Ages, a knight's armor was basically

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<v Speaker 1>what you described earlier. It was a padded garment. They

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<v Speaker 1>might have a simple metal helmet, they'd have a big

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<v Speaker 1>wooden shield, and if they were lucky, it'd be reinforced

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<v Speaker 1>with metal. Like you said, they did also use chain

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<v Speaker 1>mail because it let you move around still, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was way better at stopping cutting weapons. But it wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>It wouldn't protect you against a blunt force object.

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<v Speaker 2>Like a mace.

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, gosh, rip that guy in Lord of the

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<v Speaker 4>Seven Kingdoms Night of the Seven Kingdoms. Rather, no spoilers,

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<v Speaker 4>but boiled boy, a thing happens.

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<v Speaker 1>I love the point you made earlier about how we

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<v Speaker 1>moved to the High Middle Ages around the eleventh to

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<v Speaker 1>thirteenth centuries, and we see, just like the janissaries in

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<v Speaker 1>the Ottoman Empire. Stay tuned for that episode, these folks

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<v Speaker 1>who were the nightly class, they became more of a

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<v Speaker 1>political class, right. That's where we see the more sophisticated designs.

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<v Speaker 1>That's also where we see their horses getting kitted out too.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel so bad for those guys, But you've met horses.

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<v Speaker 1>They're skiddish.

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<v Speaker 4>They do tend to spook, that's true, which will cause

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<v Speaker 4>them to kick.

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<v Speaker 2>And do not want to be on the receiving end

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<v Speaker 2>of one of.

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<v Speaker 1>Those, even on a slow going farm. I'm worried when

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<v Speaker 1>I run into horses on friendly terms, just because they

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<v Speaker 1>seem very stressed out as very fast prey out.

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<v Speaker 2>Me and they bite.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and they get a little attitude. Man.

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<v Speaker 2>No, And I don't want to sound like I'm scared

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<v Speaker 2>of horses.

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<v Speaker 4>I think horses are gorgeous, majestic creatures, but they've got

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<v Speaker 4>some peculiarities.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just like the humans. They evolved to specialize in

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<v Speaker 1>certain things, and their thing is being hyper aware and running.

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<v Speaker 2>Quickly run away.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, like the I picture a horse dad talking

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<v Speaker 1>to his kid and giving him life advice, and it's like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>young horseboy, you're growing up. You're gonna be a horseman,

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<v Speaker 1>a stallion soon. So I'll tell you what your grandfather

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<v Speaker 1>told me. Always run away.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And if you're in a horror movie, never run

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<v Speaker 2>up the stairs. No. So it's just bad move.

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<v Speaker 1>So these we're just exercising empathy here, folks, because these horses,

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<v Speaker 1>who are already skittish, are thrust in the heat of

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<v Speaker 1>battle while essentially wearing an exoskeleton definitely not their idea

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<v Speaker 1>of good day, and horse armor was a whole other expense.

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<v Speaker 1>So they're these lords and these well to do nights

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<v Speaker 1>are spending the equivalent of millions of dollars on two

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<v Speaker 1>separate pieces, two separate suits of armor, one for them,

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<v Speaker 1>one for the horse. It's it's weird because the chest

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<v Speaker 1>plate was always a thing. But it's not until like

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<v Speaker 1>the fourteenth and fifteenth centuries that we see nights in

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<v Speaker 1>full armor the way we would imagine them in the films.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's because it took a while for breakthroughs in metallurgy.

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<v Speaker 1>Why am I saying that wrong?

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<v Speaker 2>Metallurgy.

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<v Speaker 1>Metallurgy, Yeah, you got to hurry through it. Let's keep

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<v Speaker 1>that part it, let's do it. Yeah, metallurgy.

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<v Speaker 4>It's rare things that need to speak, though I guess

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<v Speaker 4>in our profession it does.

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<v Speaker 2>Come up from time to time, right right.

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<v Speaker 3>Metallurgy is one of these words that if you look

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<v Speaker 3>at it, you can't say it right.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, and say it enough times, it loses all semblance

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<v Speaker 4>of meaning or reason.

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<v Speaker 1>Semantic satiation.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, nonsense basically like English.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, most of English is nonsense.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So these this is the.

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<v Speaker 1>Time in history where the suits cover nearly every part

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<v Speaker 1>of the body. They're custom fitted to you. You have

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<v Speaker 1>to be rich to have one, or have a very

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<v Speaker 1>wealthy patron. A full suit of armor weighs between thirty

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<v Speaker 1>to fifty kilograms that's sixty six to one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>ten pounds in freedom units.

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<v Speaker 4>Ben Can we talk stop it? Can we talk about

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<v Speaker 4>the codpiece? I think we're bearing the lead here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, the codpiece, tell us about it?

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<v Speaker 1>Goal.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, Bennet's an armored or padded if you weren't lucky

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<v Speaker 4>enough covering for the male groin on late medieval Renaissance

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<v Speaker 4>armor and clothing.

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<v Speaker 2>It was originally designed as.

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<v Speaker 4>Like a practical flap that would join the front part

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<v Speaker 4>of the under hose, which I guess is sort of

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<v Speaker 4>like a yeah, kind of a not a jerkin I'm

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<v Speaker 4>gonna get in trouble, you know, the sort of long

0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:53.080
<v Speaker 4>john under parts of the shit. Thank you, thank you,

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<v Speaker 4>remove thy shift. It protected, of course, the genitals, and

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<v Speaker 4>often it was a bit of a step up from

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<v Speaker 4>that and included a steel shaped plate on top of

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<v Speaker 4>the padding.

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<v Speaker 2>In the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries.

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<v Speaker 4>By the late to mid fifteen hundreds, it became another

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<v Speaker 4>thing that would be exaggerated.

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<v Speaker 2>It was fashional status. It was so embellius.

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<v Speaker 1>It's out like bustles went crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Witness ye, my cod piece.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why there are so many, so many paintings from

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<v Speaker 1>back in the day of a guy that we knew

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<v Speaker 1>was taken seriously, but has a ridiculous fake dog basically

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<v Speaker 1>a bulge.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah, it's like the spinal tap bit where he

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<v Speaker 4>goes through the airport security and it keeps going off,

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<v Speaker 4>and then finally he removes the cucumber wrapped in tinfoil

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<v Speaker 4>from his trousers.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh also shout out to all our European friends who

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<v Speaker 1>learned about ranch. I don't like ranch unless it's homemade.

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<v Speaker 1>But apparently the TSA has had to warn World Cup

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<v Speaker 1>visitors that you can't bring bottles of ranch on the plane.

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<v Speaker 2>Well you can at they're travel sized.

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<v Speaker 1>If they're travel sized, if you are at the point

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<v Speaker 1>of ranch addiction where you have to have a ranch flask,

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<v Speaker 1>basically you.

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<v Speaker 2>Gotta be got. I think you got to bring your own.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think they come like that in travel servings,

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<v Speaker 4>but they should.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, people love that's.

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<v Speaker 1>A great idea.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh we we also know just travel sauces in general.

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<v Speaker 2>Ben you know, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Empty out those little Walgreens or Dwayne Reid shampoo bottles.

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<v Speaker 4>Because I told you how I learned my lesson the

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<v Speaker 4>hard way and had, like, you know, one hundred dollars

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<v Speaker 4>worth of nice hot sauces. Confiscated. That's right for being

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<v Speaker 4>in my carry on. We'll make that mistake again.

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<v Speaker 3>Travel Ranch did jump in here real quick. I am

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<v Speaker 3>actually pulling my friend Meredith, who's a weirdo. She brings

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<v Speaker 3>her own tortilla chips with her and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 3>So I have asked her, are you a Ranch fan?

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<v Speaker 3>And the I'm going to ask her a follow up

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<v Speaker 3>of seeing if she brings Ranch on trail.

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<v Speaker 2>You could broad in the question just to travel sauces travel.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, I'm sorry, she brings travel cononment so amazing. We'll

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<v Speaker 4>ask you what kind of receptacles are best for these things?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, thank you. As we're waiting for the update,

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<v Speaker 1>let's return to knights and shining armor. Uh. This full

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<v Speaker 1>plate armor reaches its peak. It's real era of fanciness

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<v Speaker 1>in the fifteenth and sixteenth century.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>The full suit is referred to as a panoply at times,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a feature basically, Yeah, it's all the stuff

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<v Speaker 1>together and it's a feature at the very end of

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<v Speaker 1>the Middle Ages going into the Renaissance. It's also it's

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<v Speaker 1>popular image comes to us because of the ceremonies you

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<v Speaker 1>were describing earlier. There jousting. They would make special armor

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<v Speaker 1>just for jousting because these were wealthy people with a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of disposable income. And you know, like you were saying,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's important that we acknowledge even the fans

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<v Speaker 1>see his stuff was made from a series of materials.

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<v Speaker 1>You had iron, you had leather, textiles, you had steel,

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<v Speaker 1>and the plate armor is made of steel because it's

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<v Speaker 1>very hard, but it's also flexible if you know how

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<v Speaker 1>to work with it. The only reason they had steel

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<v Speaker 1>plate armor is because some of the blacksmith boffins, the

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<v Speaker 1>metal aer just figured out how to quench and temper

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<v Speaker 1>these steel plates so they wouldn't be brittle, because if

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<v Speaker 1>you don't make it the right way, then that mace

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<v Speaker 1>that you could have been saved from is just going

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<v Speaker 1>to crack your plate.

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<v Speaker 2>And isn't tempering where you heat it.

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<v Speaker 4>Up and bang it and then cool it down and

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<v Speaker 4>then do that again and every time it kind of

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<v Speaker 4>makes it stronger.

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<v Speaker 2>Or am I making that up?

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<v Speaker 1>No? I think you're right. Yeah, that's the quenching right

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<v Speaker 1>when you put it back in the water, and then.

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<v Speaker 2>What a satisfying shit makes.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how you know the climactic battle is coming up

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<v Speaker 1>in the third act of the film, right.

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<v Speaker 4>I always think of it's not really a night movie.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I guess it's sort of a modern night story.

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<v Speaker 4>But the film Mandy starring Nicholas Cage, there's a really

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<v Speaker 4>badass scene where he forges his own incredibly sick like

0:23:14.080 --> 0:23:17.959
<v Speaker 4>axe sword combo thing. But it also is like absurd

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<v Speaker 4>the timeline of it, Like it just shows them like

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<v Speaker 4>he just busts it out like in a you know,

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<v Speaker 4>an hour or even like in real time, like takes

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<v Speaker 4>a half an hour. It would take a long time

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<v Speaker 4>to make these kinds of things.

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<v Speaker 1>One hundred percent, and shout out to our pal, Nicholas Cage.

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<v Speaker 1>If you like superhero stuff and if you like investigative narratives,

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<v Speaker 1>do check out Spider Noir.

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<v Speaker 2>You're liking Spider Noir.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm liking it. I'm you're taking it man.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I watched a bit of the first episode and

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<v Speaker 4>I liked it too. And I heard some complaints about

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<v Speaker 4>the black and white color combo thing not working for

0:23:49.640 --> 0:23:50.960
<v Speaker 4>some people, but it worked pretty well for me.

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<v Speaker 2>You could switch back and forth kind of neat.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, pretty neat. Right, And we know that Knights

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<v Speaker 1>also had undergrus basically as you alluded to under the

0:24:02.240 --> 0:24:05.840
<v Speaker 1>metal armor. They're not naked, right, They don't just have

0:24:05.920 --> 0:24:09.280
<v Speaker 1>tidy whities or whatever the equivalent was. They have something

0:24:09.359 --> 0:24:12.960
<v Speaker 1>called a gambison made of quilted fabric. So it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like those oh what's the Japanese name for those

0:24:16.160 --> 0:24:18.360
<v Speaker 1>blanket outfits that we both love.

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<v Speaker 2>You picturing it, but I don't I don't know the name.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you mean like you you mean like a kigaroomy?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, Yes, they're a roomy.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, often shaped like a like a fun animal or

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<v Speaker 4>cartoon care.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So these guys had this kind of inner exoskeleton

0:24:33.160 --> 0:24:34.800
<v Speaker 1>kigaroomy thing, kind of like.

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<v Speaker 4>The old Prospector's long John with the butt flap that

0:24:38.920 --> 0:24:40.360
<v Speaker 4>we often reference, like.

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<v Speaker 1>The red wool logs. Yeah, this this was entirely to

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<v Speaker 1>absorb the shock of a blow and also, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>treat yourself, babe. This is going to stop you from

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<v Speaker 1>getting chafe marks from your metal armor.

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<v Speaker 4>Well sure, and it's also going to soak up the

0:24:56.920 --> 0:25:00.359
<v Speaker 4>sweat and all of that stuff. And it does play

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<v Speaker 4>a role in the codpiece situation we were talking about earlier,

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<v Speaker 4>where if you needed to go poopoo or peepee on

0:25:08.080 --> 0:25:10.720
<v Speaker 4>the battlefield, you had to have access, so you would

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<v Speaker 4>like remove that cod piece and then undo the flap

0:25:13.119 --> 0:25:18.000
<v Speaker 4>on your whatever the thing is, and then you would go. Oftentimes, though,

0:25:18.040 --> 0:25:21.520
<v Speaker 4>to go number two, you really did need like your

0:25:21.560 --> 0:25:23.400
<v Speaker 4>caddy to help you out, your.

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<v Speaker 2>Squire squire, you know what I meant.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, No, it's the same thing. It's the caddy. It's

0:25:28.800 --> 0:25:31.520
<v Speaker 1>the squire. Like you had to have a squire in

0:25:31.560 --> 0:25:34.200
<v Speaker 1>case you fell off your horse, because this would weigh

0:25:34.240 --> 0:25:37.800
<v Speaker 1>so much that you would need somebody to give you

0:25:37.840 --> 0:25:41.439
<v Speaker 1>a little upsy daisy so you could get back on

0:25:41.600 --> 0:25:42.080
<v Speaker 1>the horse.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, And understandably, the caddies were not wearing that same

0:25:46.240 --> 0:25:49.680
<v Speaker 4>level of mail and armor, so they would have been

0:25:49.720 --> 0:25:52.400
<v Speaker 4>like some little sitting ducks, little rodeo clowns out there.

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<v Speaker 1>So you've got your regular underwear, You've got your gambison,

0:25:56.600 --> 0:25:58.639
<v Speaker 1>which is going to be stuffed with horse hair or

0:25:58.680 --> 0:26:02.080
<v Speaker 1>straw and ridden with your sweat, so, by the way,

0:26:02.119 --> 0:26:05.240
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna smell terrible. But you're not quite ready for

0:26:05.280 --> 0:26:08.320
<v Speaker 1>the plate yet. You have to wear something else over

0:26:08.359 --> 0:26:11.640
<v Speaker 1>your gambis, and it's a tight fitting garment called an

0:26:11.760 --> 0:26:16.480
<v Speaker 1>arming doublet or weirdly a poor point like pouring water point.

0:26:17.280 --> 0:26:21.520
<v Speaker 1>And this stuff is important because it has little loops

0:26:22.040 --> 0:26:27.160
<v Speaker 1>or little islets that let you lace in the armor.

0:26:27.480 --> 0:26:30.480
<v Speaker 1>So these guys got the armor sewn on that second

0:26:30.640 --> 0:26:34.919
<v Speaker 1>layer of fabric so that it wouldn't fall off in battle.

0:26:35.000 --> 0:26:36.240
<v Speaker 1>But sometimes it did.

0:26:36.800 --> 0:26:37.520
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes it did.

0:26:38.080 --> 0:26:40.560
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes you're like, oh no, my elbow is naked.

0:26:40.760 --> 0:26:42.800
<v Speaker 2>And sometimes you had to poop yourself.

0:26:42.960 --> 0:26:45.080
<v Speaker 1>And sometimes you did have to poop yourself.

0:26:45.119 --> 0:26:47.160
<v Speaker 2>This was sometimes you had to poop yourself. I mean,

0:26:47.160 --> 0:26:50.320
<v Speaker 2>that's just true. That's just a life thing that just happens.

0:26:50.440 --> 0:26:53.159
<v Speaker 1>And you know, this is way before the dawn of

0:26:53.320 --> 0:26:55.960
<v Speaker 1>diaper technology, which was stilling into infancy.

0:26:56.400 --> 0:26:59.440
<v Speaker 3>So to circle back around a friend, Meredith, she is

0:26:59.440 --> 0:27:02.119
<v Speaker 3>a fan of but she would not bring a travel

0:27:02.200 --> 0:27:03.200
<v Speaker 3>sized ranch.

0:27:03.080 --> 0:27:07.600
<v Speaker 2>With uh ranches available in the world. Okay, okay.

0:27:07.800 --> 0:27:10.440
<v Speaker 3>She insists that she will always have a hot sauce

0:27:10.480 --> 0:27:13.080
<v Speaker 3>on her and her always be flying. She hasn't our

0:27:13.119 --> 0:27:14.639
<v Speaker 3>work bag at all times.

0:27:14.640 --> 0:27:17.160
<v Speaker 1>All right, Yeah, like Beyonce or Hillary Clinton.

0:27:17.240 --> 0:27:20.040
<v Speaker 2>Like Beyonce or Hillary Clinton exactly.

0:27:20.440 --> 0:27:22.400
<v Speaker 1>Especially when they have a new project coming.

0:27:22.240 --> 0:27:25.560
<v Speaker 2>Up, right, I'm really looking forward to that Beyonce, Hillary collab.

0:27:26.080 --> 0:27:28.879
<v Speaker 1>I am too. Yeah, I am too, especially, I mean

0:27:29.920 --> 0:27:33.320
<v Speaker 1>former Secretary of State Clinton is I'm sure to drop

0:27:33.400 --> 0:27:43.520
<v Speaker 1>a hot hook or nasty sixteen bars. Okay, So we've

0:27:43.560 --> 0:27:47.280
<v Speaker 1>got the armor, and we know that armor is continually

0:27:47.440 --> 0:27:50.960
<v Speaker 1>innovating for the people who can afford it these innovations.

0:27:51.119 --> 0:27:54.000
<v Speaker 1>This is an arms race. So these innovations also lead

0:27:54.080 --> 0:27:57.240
<v Speaker 1>to the decline of the shield for practical use. Like

0:27:57.800 --> 0:28:00.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, if we're out watching a jow Max and

0:28:00.920 --> 0:28:04.320
<v Speaker 1>Noel and yours, truly, we might see a knight who

0:28:04.400 --> 0:28:07.640
<v Speaker 1>has a shield right to bounce the lance off from

0:28:07.680 --> 0:28:10.919
<v Speaker 1>their opponent. But if you're in a battlefield in an

0:28:11.200 --> 0:28:14.840
<v Speaker 1>actual war, your plate armor is gonna do most of

0:28:14.880 --> 0:28:17.240
<v Speaker 1>what a shield would have done. So now a shield

0:28:17.400 --> 0:28:20.480
<v Speaker 1>is just an encumbrance. It's an albatross, it's another heavy

0:28:20.560 --> 0:28:21.440
<v Speaker 1>thing you have to carry.

0:28:21.560 --> 0:28:23.359
<v Speaker 4>Well, that's right, And it is one of those leveling

0:28:23.400 --> 0:28:26.280
<v Speaker 4>the playing field kind of arguments where it's like, you know,

0:28:26.359 --> 0:28:29.480
<v Speaker 4>if everyone's wearing this heavy crap, you're sort of like

0:28:29.680 --> 0:28:32.280
<v Speaker 4>equally hampered and you're all just kind of like working

0:28:32.359 --> 0:28:34.160
<v Speaker 4>in the same with the same drawbass.

0:28:34.240 --> 0:28:37.720
<v Speaker 2>Yes, slowly, slowly clanking over. So I'm coming to get you.

0:28:38.000 --> 0:28:41.479
<v Speaker 2>I'm coming I'm damning for minutes. Okay, here I am.

0:28:41.560 --> 0:28:43.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna come towards you too. Well, okay, well.

0:28:44.000 --> 0:28:46.760
<v Speaker 1>Before we before we get through it. Yeah wait, wait,

0:28:46.920 --> 0:28:49.760
<v Speaker 1>gave off. Let's everybody get a little bit of water.

0:28:49.920 --> 0:28:52.120
<v Speaker 2>Hold on, gotta poop, gotta gotta poop.

0:28:52.560 --> 0:28:54.240
<v Speaker 1>I'll be back. It's like twenty minutes.

0:28:54.480 --> 0:28:56.440
<v Speaker 4>But then, you know, you start to think the real

0:28:56.560 --> 0:29:01.120
<v Speaker 4>innovation isn't how much can weed our guys down with

0:29:01.240 --> 0:29:03.280
<v Speaker 4>the stuff, is how can we train them to not

0:29:03.560 --> 0:29:05.600
<v Speaker 4>need it, you know what I mean, like and be

0:29:05.800 --> 0:29:08.640
<v Speaker 4>more nimble. And when we look at like Japanese armor,

0:29:09.320 --> 0:29:11.480
<v Speaker 4>that stuff is clever because it's.

0:29:11.400 --> 0:29:13.960
<v Speaker 2>Like shoulders, it's just on the critical parts.

0:29:13.680 --> 0:29:16.920
<v Speaker 4>And like, you know, they were just badass fighters who

0:29:17.280 --> 0:29:21.520
<v Speaker 4>really knew how to engage in a way that maybe

0:29:21.560 --> 0:29:25.440
<v Speaker 4>they didn't necessarily. They weren't just blunt instruments a tank

0:29:25.680 --> 0:29:27.160
<v Speaker 4>as you would call it in a video game.

0:29:27.280 --> 0:29:30.520
<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, yeah, I mean also with the shields, if

0:29:30.560 --> 0:29:33.800
<v Speaker 1>we look at the regular guys, the non rich guys

0:29:33.840 --> 0:29:37.240
<v Speaker 1>who are fighting in these battles, we're looking at folks

0:29:37.240 --> 0:29:40.640
<v Speaker 1>who have stuff like long bows, right, or have pikes,

0:29:40.960 --> 0:29:43.200
<v Speaker 1>and those are both two handed weapons.

0:29:43.280 --> 0:29:47.760
<v Speaker 2>So shields aha, don't work for them wilding. Yeah, no, sorry,

0:29:47.760 --> 0:29:50.240
<v Speaker 2>the opposite you need two hands for the big Halbard.

0:29:51.080 --> 0:29:52.960
<v Speaker 2>Dual wielding would be two weapons.

0:29:53.000 --> 0:29:55.160
<v Speaker 4>And you know, there is technique for fighting that does

0:29:55.280 --> 0:29:57.640
<v Speaker 4>involve sword and shields, but that's its.

0:29:57.520 --> 0:30:01.280
<v Speaker 2>Own kind of very separate type of engagement, right yeah.

0:30:01.480 --> 0:30:06.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And these street level infantry type guys, they can't

0:30:07.320 --> 0:30:11.720
<v Speaker 1>rock shields at all unless there's literally a separate dude

0:30:11.840 --> 0:30:15.240
<v Speaker 1>standing next to them with a big shield and holding

0:30:15.320 --> 0:30:18.280
<v Speaker 1>it up in front of them. So yes, I mean

0:30:18.400 --> 0:30:21.680
<v Speaker 1>people did that, right, But plate armor then, in this

0:30:21.800 --> 0:30:26.280
<v Speaker 1>great tech race, it outpaces the shield and eventually armor

0:30:26.440 --> 0:30:30.320
<v Speaker 1>itself is outpaced. That's how we get to our question

0:30:30.480 --> 0:30:34.240
<v Speaker 1>towards the end here, why why don't we see people

0:30:34.760 --> 0:30:38.960
<v Speaker 1>in full plate armor today? Like why isn't your average

0:30:39.680 --> 0:30:43.719
<v Speaker 1>Johnny Law or Wells Fargo security guard. Why aren't they

0:30:43.840 --> 0:30:44.600
<v Speaker 1>clinking around?

0:30:45.400 --> 0:30:48.960
<v Speaker 4>It's just it's about material science, really, you know, and

0:30:49.080 --> 0:30:54.360
<v Speaker 4>it's about things like kevlar, things like ballistic gelatine and

0:30:54.640 --> 0:31:02.320
<v Speaker 4>various types of low weight comparatively and high resistance you know,

0:31:02.520 --> 0:31:06.640
<v Speaker 4>to impact materials like the stuff that's in bulletproofests for example.

0:31:06.680 --> 0:31:09.440
<v Speaker 2>And you know, this stuff continues to improve.

0:31:10.000 --> 0:31:13.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like the I have a kevlar vest and I

0:31:13.280 --> 0:31:17.360
<v Speaker 1>also have a ceramic plating things. You buy the vest

0:31:17.520 --> 0:31:20.560
<v Speaker 1>and then you end up buying the plates separately.

0:31:20.360 --> 0:31:22.520
<v Speaker 2>That's right. I do hear them talk about that in

0:31:22.640 --> 0:31:23.960
<v Speaker 2>like swat type shows.

0:31:24.160 --> 0:31:29.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it is still expensive and it ain't exactly light,

0:31:30.320 --> 0:31:33.600
<v Speaker 4>but it's not right, you know. But comparatively it is

0:31:34.280 --> 0:31:37.560
<v Speaker 4>a dream come true, comparatively to the big old plates

0:31:37.960 --> 0:31:38.880
<v Speaker 4>right right plates.

0:31:39.240 --> 0:31:41.480
<v Speaker 1>And so it's cool because I love this point we're

0:31:41.480 --> 0:31:44.440
<v Speaker 1>getting to, like, at the height of its popularity, that

0:31:44.720 --> 0:31:48.880
<v Speaker 1>full plate armor was symbolic on multiple levels. It represents

0:31:49.000 --> 0:31:53.840
<v Speaker 1>so many astonishing technological breakthroughs, and if we're being honest,

0:31:54.160 --> 0:31:58.760
<v Speaker 1>it represents a cartoonishly brutal and unfair class system. This

0:31:58.840 --> 0:32:01.480
<v Speaker 1>is what this I keep thinking of how you would

0:32:01.520 --> 0:32:04.800
<v Speaker 1>feel if you are a non noble soldier, right, and

0:32:04.880 --> 0:32:09.120
<v Speaker 1>you've got whatever kit you could mcguiver together. You're it's

0:32:09.240 --> 0:32:12.120
<v Speaker 1>like you were driving around in a nineties Honda Civic

0:32:12.400 --> 0:32:14.720
<v Speaker 1>and all of a sudden you hear a terrible horn,

0:32:15.080 --> 0:32:17.840
<v Speaker 1>a great cheer from over the hill, and you're gang

0:32:17.920 --> 0:32:21.520
<v Speaker 1>a little civics is getting run down by bloodthirsty hum vs,

0:32:21.800 --> 0:32:23.440
<v Speaker 1>or like you said tanks.

0:32:23.680 --> 0:32:26.640
<v Speaker 2>Right, like they're outmatched. So you know the question we

0:32:26.720 --> 0:32:27.480
<v Speaker 2>pose at the top.

0:32:28.320 --> 0:32:32.720
<v Speaker 4>You know, did nights of your really wear these big,

0:32:32.920 --> 0:32:36.880
<v Speaker 4>massive suits of armor like you might see in a

0:32:36.960 --> 0:32:39.680
<v Speaker 4>fancy drawing room in a detective movie.

0:32:40.600 --> 0:32:45.160
<v Speaker 2>The answer is yeah, but not the way myths might suggest.

0:32:45.280 --> 0:32:48.720
<v Speaker 1>One hundred percent, because we have to remember that this

0:32:49.080 --> 0:32:52.640
<v Speaker 1>was a pretty limited window of time. As defensive measures

0:32:52.720 --> 0:32:57.840
<v Speaker 1>like armor improved, offensive technology improved as well, So now

0:32:57.920 --> 0:32:58.680
<v Speaker 1>we barely.

0:32:58.480 --> 0:33:01.240
<v Speaker 2>Do battlefield fighting at all anymore.

0:33:01.520 --> 0:33:07.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, napolet warfare is thankfully gone. But despite all

0:33:07.080 --> 0:33:11.320
<v Speaker 1>the time, blood, research, and money poured into suits of

0:33:11.360 --> 0:33:15.360
<v Speaker 1>plate armor, this tech gets outpaced by a new kid

0:33:15.440 --> 0:33:19.440
<v Speaker 1>on the block. That's right, gunpowder. And I didn't know

0:33:19.560 --> 0:33:20.160
<v Speaker 1>this originally.

0:33:20.440 --> 0:33:22.240
<v Speaker 4>I guess I should have should have gotten a gunpowder

0:33:22.280 --> 0:33:24.160
<v Speaker 4>before I dropped kevlar and bulletproof.

0:33:24.360 --> 0:33:27.800
<v Speaker 1>No, no, it's fine, man. We know that we know

0:33:27.920 --> 0:33:30.400
<v Speaker 1>that kevlar would have been more effective than played armor

0:33:30.520 --> 0:33:33.719
<v Speaker 1>for sure, but I didn't know this at the beginning

0:33:33.760 --> 0:33:38.680
<v Speaker 1>tool before we started researching this armor at the time

0:33:38.880 --> 0:33:42.520
<v Speaker 1>was actually good enough to block early musket balls, which

0:33:42.560 --> 0:33:45.760
<v Speaker 1>were themselves a crapshoot with terrible aaming sure, so you

0:33:45.920 --> 0:33:48.720
<v Speaker 1>could get you could get a little ping pong shot

0:33:49.160 --> 0:33:51.920
<v Speaker 1>to your chest and keep going because it would take

0:33:51.960 --> 0:33:55.840
<v Speaker 1>the guy firing at you so long to reload their firearm.

0:33:55.920 --> 0:33:56.000
<v Speaker 2>Well.

0:33:56.080 --> 0:33:58.880
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we've also seen examples of, like, you know, as

0:33:58.920 --> 0:34:00.560
<v Speaker 4>a twist in the plot of some sort of a

0:34:00.800 --> 0:34:03.600
<v Speaker 4>murder mystery type show, a bullet being stopped.

0:34:03.320 --> 0:34:05.920
<v Speaker 2>By a cigarette case, perhaps in the front pockets.

0:34:06.160 --> 0:34:09.000
<v Speaker 1>I always love that, you know, like there's that iconic

0:34:09.080 --> 0:34:12.400
<v Speaker 1>scene where somebody looks to be dead, but did they

0:34:12.480 --> 0:34:13.799
<v Speaker 1>pull out as you're saying that, and.

0:34:15.800 --> 0:34:18.800
<v Speaker 2>It's like a bibyes, oh yes.

0:34:20.000 --> 0:34:22.160
<v Speaker 1>Or this case, weirdly enough, a lottery ticket.

0:34:22.719 --> 0:34:25.640
<v Speaker 2>Okay, we'll take We'll take all the luck we can get.

0:34:26.760 --> 0:34:29.120
<v Speaker 4>This is super fun, man, And you know, I think

0:34:29.160 --> 0:34:32.600
<v Speaker 4>where I'm not like a gun person per se, but

0:34:32.719 --> 0:34:37.520
<v Speaker 4>I am fascinated by, uh these YouTube videos of people showing, uh,

0:34:37.880 --> 0:34:40.880
<v Speaker 4>what kind of materials can block what caliber of bullets

0:34:40.920 --> 0:34:43.239
<v Speaker 4>and stuff like that, And you do get into as

0:34:43.320 --> 0:34:46.359
<v Speaker 4>they escalate the materials into like stuff like ballistic gel

0:34:46.440 --> 0:34:51.320
<v Speaker 4>and all of these modern you know, gunpowder and bulletproof materials.

0:34:51.480 --> 0:34:55.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like the spider silk experiments. That's pretty nuts.

0:34:55.200 --> 0:34:55.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, about that one.

0:34:56.000 --> 0:35:01.680
<v Speaker 1>There's been work into making armor base off spider silk,

0:35:02.200 --> 0:35:05.200
<v Speaker 1>which is like we always see it in what you know,

0:35:05.400 --> 0:35:08.600
<v Speaker 1>a tiny a web of tiny strands, but it turns

0:35:08.640 --> 0:35:11.640
<v Speaker 1>out if you knit it together, which is very time consuming,

0:35:12.120 --> 0:35:15.760
<v Speaker 1>then it actually makes a pretty good material.

0:35:15.400 --> 0:35:17.480
<v Speaker 2>For armor, almost like carbon fiber.

0:35:18.320 --> 0:35:20.879
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'd have to look into it because I don't

0:35:21.040 --> 0:35:23.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's cost effective yet, but we

0:35:23.760 --> 0:35:28.320
<v Speaker 1>do know, we do know. Plate armor became less cost

0:35:28.360 --> 0:35:33.560
<v Speaker 1>effective or even practical as firearms evolved, because look, the

0:35:33.680 --> 0:35:37.719
<v Speaker 1>reality is, uh, if you're wearing a bulletproof vest, even

0:35:37.760 --> 0:35:41.040
<v Speaker 1>now a modern one, and you get shot, you're still

0:35:41.120 --> 0:35:44.879
<v Speaker 1>going to have a screwed up day. It's gonna hurt,

0:35:45.960 --> 0:35:49.840
<v Speaker 1>you'll have nasty bruising, but the advantages will be alive.

0:35:50.239 --> 0:35:53.399
<v Speaker 1>The problem with plate armor is if these folks got

0:35:53.719 --> 0:35:58.840
<v Speaker 1>shot and the armor got mangled, you would injure the

0:35:58.920 --> 0:36:02.640
<v Speaker 1>guy even more or by trying to get it off them, like,

0:36:02.719 --> 0:36:04.719
<v Speaker 1>how are you gonna get his arm out of there? So,

0:36:05.120 --> 0:36:08.200
<v Speaker 1>as we said, that's the reason people aren't wearing plate

0:36:08.400 --> 0:36:14.120
<v Speaker 1>armor right now. Outside of coseplay and historical celebrations, body

0:36:14.200 --> 0:36:18.440
<v Speaker 1>armor is still around today. It's more expensive than we'd like,

0:36:19.640 --> 0:36:22.840
<v Speaker 1>but this is a great setup for a future episode

0:36:22.920 --> 0:36:27.920
<v Speaker 1>we have about another mythical fighter, the Bersoker.

0:36:28.400 --> 0:36:34.240
<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, yeah, remember that song from Clerks.

0:36:34.840 --> 0:36:35.839
<v Speaker 1>That's right, that's right.

0:36:36.040 --> 0:36:38.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a pretty pretty blue language. And so I'm

0:36:38.280 --> 0:36:38.840
<v Speaker 2>just gonna go with.

0:36:41.280 --> 0:36:42.560
<v Speaker 1>I had big big thanks.

0:36:43.000 --> 0:36:45.400
<v Speaker 2>Were they hopped up on goofballs? Maybe?

0:36:45.800 --> 0:36:48.840
<v Speaker 1>Maybe big big. We're gonna find out big big thanks

0:36:48.880 --> 0:36:51.400
<v Speaker 1>to our super producer, mister Max Williams. I've been our

0:36:51.440 --> 0:36:55.760
<v Speaker 1>research associate for this big thanks to Jonathan Strickland aka

0:36:56.200 --> 0:37:01.239
<v Speaker 1>the Quister, who I miss a little bit, though I'm

0:37:01.280 --> 0:37:02.120
<v Speaker 1>never gonna tell him that.

0:37:02.120 --> 0:37:05.239
<v Speaker 4>Doesn't he doesn't he owe us an appearance oppressed to

0:37:05.320 --> 0:37:07.040
<v Speaker 4>digitation a summoning.

0:37:07.000 --> 0:37:09.640
<v Speaker 1>Yes he does. He's also a fan of stage magic.

0:37:09.800 --> 0:37:12.160
<v Speaker 2>That's true. Who isn't I love stage I'm not a

0:37:12.239 --> 0:37:13.480
<v Speaker 2>fan of it. Well I am.

0:37:13.960 --> 0:37:14.760
<v Speaker 1>I love this stuff.

0:37:14.840 --> 0:37:18.160
<v Speaker 2>You know what to each to each their own indeed,

0:37:18.400 --> 0:37:22.319
<v Speaker 2>and jolly good time today. Ben enjoyed this one. Thanks

0:37:22.360 --> 0:37:24.759
<v Speaker 2>for the for the research, and we'll see you next time.

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