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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Cutting the Distance. Today,

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Speaker 1: I'm joined with my good buddy Dirk Durham again, who

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Speaker 1: it just happens to be his sixtieth birthday today.

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Speaker 2: Oh thank you, od he just called me old. I'm

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Speaker 2: not sixty, Phelps, I'm fifth old. I'm fifty.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's that's like only one number off on the

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Speaker 1: first number. And then technically, I don't know if my

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Speaker 1: math is good, but it's like only fifteen percent different.

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Speaker 1: So it was close.

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Speaker 2: I finally reached my golden years.

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Speaker 1: It's good. It's good. You all the benefits of cheaper

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Speaker 1: meals at the restaurants and reduced insurance and LARP.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to have my card here soon, I'm sure.

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Speaker 1: So you know, I think at some point, when you

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Speaker 1: get old enough, your insurance should actually go back up, though, right,

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Speaker 1: because you become more of a danger. So you're you're

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Speaker 1: probably what ten years away from insurance going back up.

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Speaker 1: Slower reaction times.

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Speaker 2: And kids will take away my driver's license here in

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Speaker 2: one of these days, dang it.

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Speaker 1: So today's episode is all listener A, Q and A,

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Speaker 1: work with them. So once again, if you have any

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Speaker 1: So now we're going to jump right into it, so

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Speaker 1: ELK Centric today. The first question comes in in areas

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Speaker 1: where you don't have a chance to hunt. How do

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Speaker 1: the season begins? You know, we can We can all

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Speaker 1: sit and I think me and you, Dirk have had

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Speaker 1: at some point, right, So I think with high confidence

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Speaker 1: we can say, all right, I can look at a

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Speaker 1: map and I'm pretty confident this area has everything we

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Speaker 1: where I don't expect them. But how do you go

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Speaker 2: My hunts, My scouting would start at probably a thirty

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Speaker 2: and I'm looking at typically the areas I hunt. I'm

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Speaker 2: if impossible. So I'm gonna look for those dark portions,

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Speaker 2: And what I'm looking for is an area that has

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Speaker 2: looking for large drainages that have no roads in them,

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Speaker 2: And within those places, I want to I want to

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Speaker 2: You know, some good good feed, whether that's grass, whether

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Speaker 2: just got to have everything. There's got to be, you know, creeks,

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Speaker 2: get food, water, shelter. That's what I'm looking for.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, a lot of mine is very similar.

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Speaker 1: I come from western Washington, and I typically don't hunt

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Speaker 1: But similar to Dirk, I'm looking for those those keys.

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Speaker 1: So I'm I do want that north timber, but it's

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Speaker 1: And if I take it to the next level, like

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Speaker 1: My personal preference is to break an area down. I

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Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, you can find elk in both

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Speaker 1: I'm more educated. I'm like, what's okay to go down

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And one thing to know is you can

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's good to know that because if you

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, you just you might just assume that they

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so I think we beat that that question

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Speaker 1: And you've heard us both say it multiple times. Be

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Speaker 2: not get a vital hit or hit high depend on

431
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:08,600
Speaker 2: how you judge yardage. So it's just so I recognize that.

432
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:12,600
Speaker 2: And and there again we want to talk about arrows

433
00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,399
Speaker 2: and arrow weight. You know, there's it's kind of trendy

434
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,960
Speaker 2: in some groups to shoot a you know, six hundred,

435
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,520
Speaker 2: seven hundred grant arrow right now, you know, the one

436
00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,280
Speaker 2: that's going to shoot through a tree and still kill

437
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:27,399
Speaker 2: the elk. But whenever you have an arrow that that heavy,

438
00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:29,560
Speaker 2: your pin gap for Western hunting is going to be

439
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:33,040
Speaker 2: enormous unless you want to dial, and then you're gonna

440
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:34,800
Speaker 2: run out of you know, room to dial on your

441
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,840
Speaker 2: on your moveable site, you know, rather quickly compared to

442
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 2: like a standard let's say four hundred and fifty to

443
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,200
Speaker 2: five hundred grain arrow. So I go with about a

444
00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,919
Speaker 2: four hundred and fifty grand arrow. I've shot down to

445
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,960
Speaker 2: four hundred grades. Back before I even knew to weigh

446
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:54,200
Speaker 2: my arrows, you know, it wasn't super trendy to measure

447
00:21:54,240 --> 00:22:00,320
Speaker 2: your foc front of center weight and or the overall all. Wait,

448
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:01,760
Speaker 2: I'm just like, oh, yeah, this is a good one

449
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 2: hundred grain broadhead. I got a good sturdy arrow, and

450
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,200
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna go ahead and shoot this thing. And

451
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,359
Speaker 2: I shot a ton of elk with it that passed

452
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:14,240
Speaker 2: throughs No real issues, major issues unless I hit like

453
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 2: a scapular or something. Now I'm shooting fifty grains heavier.

454
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 2: Still no problems. But and what I like about that

455
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 2: is I still have a pretty good pin gap. It's

456
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,399
Speaker 2: not super tight to where you get in a pickle

457
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 2: and in a rush situation it's like, oh dangn my

458
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 2: pins are so close together, what do I do? Or

459
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:38,959
Speaker 2: it's hard to focus on one pin. But they're far

460
00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,159
Speaker 2: enough apart to where they're easy to focus on. And

461
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,399
Speaker 2: if you misjudge artist by five yards, it's going to

462
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 2: be a five to six inch inch shot high or

463
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 2: shot low versus a miss or a bad hit.

464
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 1: Yep, Yeah, I'm very similar. I designed my arrows backwards

465
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:56,679
Speaker 1: off of my bow speeds, so I'm trying to hit

466
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 1: that two eighty five and if I come somewhere between

467
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 1: like two eighty three and twenty seven, like that's that's

468
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,360
Speaker 1: my ideal setup. And so we just we designed all right,

469
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 1: the end weight of this arrow needs to be X.

470
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 1: You know, lately for me shooting bows, you know, I've

471
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,360
Speaker 1: got a very fortunate to have a thirty two inch

472
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 1: draw length. You know, I shoot a seventy pound bow

473
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 1: maxed out, so it's somewhere between seventy to seventy two pounds.

474
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 1: You know, most of my arrows end up being very

475
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 1: heavy in that five forty to five sixty range. But

476
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 1: I really just I don't care where it lands as

477
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 1: long as my bow ends up shooting at that too

478
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:32,879
Speaker 1: eighty five. And then you know, I'm gonna agree with Dirk,

479
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,679
Speaker 1: like draw time will kill way more elk than the

480
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,879
Speaker 1: extra five pounds will or the extra ten pounds It

481
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,679
Speaker 1: always hasn't always will. And I think, you know, it

482
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 1: sounds cool when you're when you're telling somebody you shoot

483
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 1: an eighty three pound bow or that you you know,

484
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 1: you got this monster set up, And I'm like, yeah,

485
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,640
Speaker 1: but that will not kill you any additional elk. Then

486
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 1: sixty five or sixty pound bow for most males, you know,

487
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 1: being able to draw drawwights and everything else considered like

488
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 1: that doesn't kill the elk for you, But me being

489
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 1: able to hold that bow more comfortably for another twenty

490
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:08,159
Speaker 1: or thirty seconds will kill me some elk. So I'm

491
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 1: in that same boat, Like you know, I was there

492
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 1: one day when I was young and dumb, you know,

493
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 1: shooting eighty six pound bows, trying to get these five

494
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty grand arrows going, you know, three fifteen

495
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 1: or whatever. It was just doing dumb stuff and that

496
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,479
Speaker 1: bow shot great and I finally did get it tuned.

497
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 1: But in the end, it wouldn't have killed an elk

498
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 1: any better than the current setup I'm shooting. So that's

499
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 1: how I approach it. I we didn't touch on fixed

500
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 1: blade versus you know, there are some good expandables. I

501
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 1: just cannot wrap my head around, like knowing that there

502
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 1: is a slight percentage or any percentage that something could fail.

503
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 1: And so in my mind, like that solid broadhead is

504
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 1: you know, or fixed blade broadhead is going to always

505
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 1: be what it needs to be. Just a little peace

506
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 1: of mind, Like I say, I think most mechanicals nowadays

507
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 1: are you know, got a pretty good success rate on

508
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: opening and doing what they're they're supposed to do. But

509
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,959
Speaker 1: for me, I've still only shot you know, fixed blade

510
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: you know, iron wheels oak the last few years. You know,

511
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 1: prior to that, I was using some slick trick biper

512
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 1: tricks that that I had some good success with. I've

513
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 1: heard stories that maybe some you know, qualities you know,

514
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 1: went downhill or something since then, But no, I think

515
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: you just need to be confident in your setup and

516
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 1: have confidence that you're gonna be able to put your arrow.

517
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,439
Speaker 1: You know, one thing we didn't even talk about is

518
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 1: how accurate we can shoot these bows. Like we always

519
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,360
Speaker 1: joke our good buddy Corey Miller, he's like, all these

520
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 1: guys want to like buy their way to like better groupings,

521
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 1: and he's like, you're never gonna out. You know, you're

522
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,479
Speaker 1: not gonna shoot your bow any better because of this

523
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 1: five hundred dollars rest or this five hundred dollars site

524
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: or these you know, four hundred dollars arrows. He's like,

525
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: it's you need to work on yourself. And so that's

526
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 1: another thing, like as long as you get good at

527
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 1: shooting and are confident your setup, like that goes a

528
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 1: long ways than all these other decisions, you know, arrowweight

529
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 1: and broadheads. Get good at shooting your bow, and it'll

530
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 1: it'll fix a lot of these things.

531
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that and that, and that they're good. It goes

532
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 2: right back to poundage too. So it's super comfortable to

533
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 2: be able to shoot a bow. That's easy to draw,

534
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 2: it's easy to hold your It's just funner to me.

535
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 2: Like if if you're if you're having to arch your

536
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 2: back and point in your boat at the sky did

537
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 2: to draw it, you're doing it wrong. Here's a here's

538
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 2: an anecdotal story from last fall. It's calling in this

539
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 2: bowl from some private property over onto the public and

540
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,360
Speaker 2: we're kind of slow playing this thing, and we kind

541
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 2: of made quiet calls and kind of faded away, like

542
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 2: we walked off, but we didn't go very far, and

543
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 2: we kind of set down and it was kind of

544
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 2: a steep hill side, so I had to kind of

545
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 2: sit with our back towards where the bowl was kind

546
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 2: of and we sat there for like forty five minutes,

547
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 2: and then finally that bull came in. Well, I had

548
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 2: to I had to draw. I had to get up

549
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 2: from a sitting position. I had to like slowly stand

550
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 2: and draw my bow all at the kind of same

551
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 2: time and then get turned to where I could shoot.

552
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 2: I will promise you I couldn't have done that with

553
00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,200
Speaker 2: a eighty pound bow. I probably would have struggled this

554
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 2: seventy but beings that I was shooting like a sixty

555
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 2: five pound bow. I was able to draw. I was

556
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 2: able to do it in a smooth motion free you know,

557
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 2: it's not discernible to the bowl, and I got drawn

558
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 2: on him. Now, my yardage judging was another story.

559
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 1: But we're just talking about getting a boat. Yeah, we're

560
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: just talking about getting the bow drawn.

561
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 2: Now, we don't need to talk about that.

562
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: But we've also got a story. I don't know how

563
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 1: many people have seen this, are our buddy Russ Meyer

564
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: or a guy that we know Russ Meyer. I don't

565
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: know if anybody has seen a video that he put out.

566
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 1: What was it probably ten years ago?

567
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 2: Now in twenty twelve, I think.

568
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Russ calls a bowling, and when we watch

569
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 1: the video, I think everybody's first time watching video are like,

570
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,640
Speaker 1: if you know who Russ is, you wouldn't have questioned

571
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: his skill or is his decision making, But you're like,

572
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 1: what are you doing, you dummy? Like draw your boat?

573
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: You know he got He kind of got caught off guard.

574
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 1: This elk walks in on the same exact trail that

575
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 1: he is, right, And I think during the video, when

576
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: you watch it, you're so fixated on the elk you

577
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: don't realize what he's doing until you want at the

578
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: second or third time. But Russ is a pretty strong guy.

579
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: But this also would go over to you're shooting a

580
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: bow that you can do this with. He wouldn't have

581
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: killed this bow bowl if he had to draw his

582
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: bow like you see most people, like ninety percent of

583
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 1: people draw their bow. You know, they give it a

584
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 1: big yank Ara goes to this guy. Russ literally like

585
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,199
Speaker 1: draws this bow inch by inch as slow as he

586
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,239
Speaker 1: can pull this bow back, and next thing you know

587
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 1: that the bull gets shot and you were watching it

588
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: the whole time. He didn't realize that Russ had got

589
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: his bow drawn back because he moved so slowly and

590
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 1: so methodically that you would have never known that that

591
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: bow was ever drawn.

592
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 2: And the bullet is in plain view like he was

593
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 2: in the bull's eyesight the whole way. Like it was incredible.

594
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It was that video. It's like, all right,

595
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: I need to be able to draw my bow a

596
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: little more smoothly and not make such a racket with

597
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: arrows bouncing around the cage or whatever. It may be,

598
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,959
Speaker 1: like very smooth and like I say it, it just

599
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: there was another example I probably go overboard on making

600
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: sure everything's perfect, because I always want to be able

601
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: to to capitalize on opportunities. But it was just one

602
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: of those things again, like he had you know, his

603
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: rest didn't make any noise, he was able to draw

604
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: his all these things he had dialed in to give

605
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: him that opportunity on a great bowl there, And it

606
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: just makes you think like you need to need to

607
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: pay attention to all that stuff and maybe not shoot

608
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: an eighty five pound bow if you don't have to.

609
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and practice, practice those those skills, right. I feel

610
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 2: like Russ, I don't know, he's a pretty beefy dude,

611
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 2: Like he's got some guns he could probably he probably

612
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 2: don't practice drawing like that. Maybe, But for guys like me,

613
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 2: I'm I practice when I practice shooting in the yard,

614
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 2: I'm practicing drawing that bow as slow as I can

615
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 2: without without any movement, the very little minimum movement. That way,

616
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 2: come hunting season, it's just part of my routine, right,

617
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 2: I can just draw my bow back. And there are

618
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,239
Speaker 2: times you want to yank your bull back bow back.

619
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 2: Let's say bull's kind of running in. You're like, yeah,

620
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 2: you want to might want to rank, yank at it,

621
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 2: yank it back at the right time. But most of

622
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 2: the time you want that thing to be smooth and

623
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 2: and no movements discernible.

624
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: So yeah, and another thing about is similar to practice

625
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: of drawing slow. I always do it at the end

626
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: of my routine because it doesn't mess the rest of

627
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: my my you know, thirty or forty arrows or whatever

628
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna shoot is I do the long holds. It's

629
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: a different muscle, like whether you're a gym rat and

630
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: you work out all the time. Like even when I

631
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: was going to the gym all the time, it was

632
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,239
Speaker 1: still something different about holding the bow almost like that

633
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: negative resistance, like you're just trying to hold it back.

634
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: And so I'll do you know, I'll set my my

635
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: time around my watch and try to do a minute

636
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: and a half hold and see if I can still

637
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: make a good shot or whether it would be a

638
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: bad shot. And so season gets closer, you start to

639
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: work on those, you know, endurance type type situations as

640
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,239
Speaker 1: you're out there shooting, just see see what your time is.

641
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: And by working on it, you get better at it.

642
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: You you get more comfortable, you get less shaky, you

643
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: can extend that time, and like I say, those are

644
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: the things that are gonna help you kill more elk

645
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: than than the additional poundage.

646
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 2: Yep, absolutely, all.

647
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: Right, so we're gonna That was a good segue into

648
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: ethical shot placement. I hesitate to talk about ethical shot

649
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: placement because I think everybody controls their own ethics. But

650
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: I'm going to pose a question then we can we

651
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: can navigate through it. So how do you ensure ethical

652
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: shot placement to make sure that you maximize your chance

653
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: of recovering that bowl? And then if you can go

654
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: into like shot angles, shot distances, and kind of what

655
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: you're comfortable with and what you're looking for before, like

656
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: dirt terms comfortable in this situation, I'm gonna pull the

657
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: trigger here.

658
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 2: Well, I think a lot of people just need to

659
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 2: be real with themselves on their capabilities or at their

660
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 2: the distances they can shoot first and foremost in our

661
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 2: backyards or at our local range that we shoot comfortably

662
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 2: every time. It's just like, man, I can drill this

663
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 2: thing at one hundred yards, so if I got a

664
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 2: bullet seventy, he's dead, right. But that's that's not the

665
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 2: same situation that you face when you're hunting. Let's say

666
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 2: you've been hunting and you haven't had an opportunity to shoot,

667
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 2: and it's day seven of your hunt. You hydrateed. You

668
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 2: just hauled ass up this hillside, this steep hill side,

669
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 2: you know, one hundred and fifty two hundred feet straight

670
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 2: up vertical, and you you're breathing hard, your heart's pounding,

671
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 2: you have a pack on your back, and there's the bowl.

672
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 2: I figure, let's say I normally want to shoot at

673
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 2: fifty yards. That's maybe that's kind of where I draw

674
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 2: the line personally, But at that point right there, I

675
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 2: may cut that to thirty or forty yards, because you know,

676
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 2: you pull your bow back, man, you're you're on a

677
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 2: steep hill side. Everything is not easy. Your bow form

678
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 2: is probably not the best, just because the angle that

679
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 2: the elk is above you or below your, whatever the

680
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 2: case might be. Everything is not perfect, and that you

681
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 2: have to kind of be real about it, be like, well,

682
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 2: if this is my backyard, I drill that sucker. But

683
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 2: now that it's not, I'm going to wait for the

684
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: for the for the best opportunity that and then that

685
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 2: kind of goes with that training. You were talking about

686
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 2: holding your bow for a long time. You might even

687
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 2: do some like wind sprints back and forth to your

688
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 2: target and get out of breath. Then do your bolt

689
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 2: bow hoold, but make sure you have your pack on

690
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 2: and stuff. And this is on flat ground in your backyard.

691
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 2: You know, raise your raise your your heart rate, get

692
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 2: out of breath, shoot in a from a precarious uh situation,

693
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 2: and you're gonna You're gonna see it's gonna cut your

694
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 2: your your lethal distance down quite a bit. So acknowledging

695
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 2: that and understanding that is how you can perform ethical shots.

696
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 2: Like everybody has their own ethics, right, but I think

697
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 2: it's I think everyone can agree that we want to

698
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 2: take a shot that that's gonna end with a uh,

699
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 2: mortally wounded animal that's gonna die quickly and humanely. So

700
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 2: understanding your capabilities, like truly understanding them is important.

701
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I've always thought that like walking out

702
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: in my my loafers or my my street shoes, no

703
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: pack on, you know, shorts, T shirt, I'm cool, I'm comfortable.

704
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: Is it was practicing until you get out there, you

705
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: have your pack on, you have a chest harness on.

706
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 1: You realize that your pack squeaks when you go to

707
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: dry your you know, all these things that you know,

708
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: or whatever it may be. It may not be a

709
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: squeak or that something like binds you up, or your

710
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 1: harness is really close to catching your string, you know,

711
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 1: if your form's off. You know, all of these things

712
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: like you need to test that out and and confirm

713
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: that it's going to be okay. You know. One thing

714
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: that I used to have an issue with is when

715
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 1: I used to use a wrist rocket, you know, back

716
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: in the day, is I would anchor under my ear. Well,

717
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: if it was an early morning hunt, I would forget

718
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: that I had a hood on and I couldn't get

719
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,479
Speaker 1: my anchor like up in my ear, and it would

720
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: frozzle me right because I needed to get to that spot.

721
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: And so just all of these things like as goofy

722
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: as it may seem. You know, my wife laughs at

723
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,760
Speaker 1: me because I'm out there and my you know, I've

724
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: got my chest harness on my backpack on the middle

725
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,439
Speaker 1: of the you know, late late one evening, I'm like shs,

726
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: like what are you doing. I'm like, well, I'm making

727
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: sure all this stuff works together, you know. Now. Fortunately

728
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: I've switched to a thumb release. I'm more comfortable with

729
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: hoods on. But like all of those things pop up,

730
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,919
Speaker 1: and I'm just one of those guys that I want

731
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,399
Speaker 1: to make sure this is I reduce all of these

732
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 1: little grimlins that are gonna pop up in your hunt,

733
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: Like I I just want to take care of that

734
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: at home, not out in the field, like you said

735
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: on day seven, eight or nine. Like, if that's what

736
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 1: costs me, I'm gonna never forgive myself or be real

737
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: frustrated with myself that that was the little detail that

738
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: that didn't you know that that cost me a bowl.

739
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it hardly happens. Hardly ever happens on day one

740
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 2: on a nice flat place where you're you're like well

741
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 2: rested and feel good and you know you're you're not

742
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,959
Speaker 2: like excited, and so it hardly ever happens that way.

743
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:47,240
Speaker 2: So yeah, you should definitely prepare. One thing I always noticed,

744
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 2: especially when I throw my pack on, especially you know,

745
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 2: not just my pack, but with it weighted down with

746
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 2: the normal amount of gear I have it, whether that's

747
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 2: a bivvy hunt or even a day hunt, is when

748
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 2: I drop back, so my right shoulder, the one that

749
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 2: supports my bow, I have to like really like focus

750
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 2: and like kind of give my shoulder a little bit

751
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 2: of a boost to hold it up right, because it's

752
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 2: that pack is drawing down on it, completely different than

753
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 2: when I don't have a pack on. So you have

754
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 2: to identify this stuff long before season. That way, when

755
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 2: you do get the opportunity to dry, your buddy're like,

756
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 2: what's wrong with my shoulders not working right? So that

757
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 2: way you make the best shot.

758
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm not gonna I'm not gonna pass my

759
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: ethics on to anybody, but I'll I'm gonna give an

760
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 1: example of like what I how I determine my my

761
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: ethical shot distance. So I use a matrix target. For

762
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 1: those of you that haven't seen them, it's basically, I

763
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: believe it's seven hexes that are all put together to

764
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: make one big hex. It's so yeah, it's it's geometry,

765
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: but you gotta you gotta read a book. So I

766
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 1: have one hex in the middle that is basically about

767
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: an eight by eight hex you know what the what

768
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: the corners cut off, and then I've got the eight

769
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: hexes around. And so when I'm getting everything tuned, I

770
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: won't do this right off the bat when I'm getting

771
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: broad heads already, but at some point I will start

772
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: to like walk back with five arrow groups and at

773
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: the point where I can no longer keep all five

774
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: inside of this six to eight inch circle, Like all right,

775
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: that is my range, or like what I'm comfortable for

776
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 1: the year. Like it's not four out of five. You know,

777
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: there may be an occasional flyer or something that I

778
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: know that I screwed up on, like I dropped my

779
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: bow or I didn't you know, whatever it may be.

780
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: But like I want to know that five out of

781
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 1: five times I'm going to be able to hit that

782
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: eight inch circle at any distance. Now, let's say it's

783
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: a good shooting year for me, and I've had a

784
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: few of them where like, all right, I'm able to

785
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: do that at seventy yards keep it inside the eight

786
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: inch circle, or but then I subtract back. I'm like,

787
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: all right, I really don't even want to shoot that

788
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: far because of movement or things that are out of

789
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: my control. Let's bring that back. And for me, we

790
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: talk about sliding sites and all this stuff. I shoot

791
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: a four pin and a lot of people are like, go,

792
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: I don't know why you waste your time on a twenty. Well,

793
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: because for me, like if I can just anchor a pin,

794
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I don't want to drop a

795
00:37:58,360 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: thirty pin lower than it needs to be. I just

796
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 1: want to be able to aim. But anyways, I have

797
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: a fourpence sit twenty thirty, forty to fifty. I'm not

798
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: gonna lie like I do not. I consider the dial

799
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: on my bow is like a backup, backup, a follow

800
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: up shot. Yeah, I'm gonna shoot my olk at twenty

801
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,280
Speaker 1: to fifty. Now, there was a time in twenty nineteen

802
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 1: there was a bullet fifty five and I just kind

803
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: of stack pins and went up. I wasn't able to

804
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: roll it, and so I was confident that year that

805
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: I could make that shot. But uh, that's how I

806
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: established like my own comfortable shot distance. So to be honest,

807
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: most of the time, I'm shooting good enough that it

808
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: just defaults to fifty, Like I'm not shooting a bowl

809
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 1: if it's not within fifty yards. And I've been fortunate

810
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: that I've been able to like hold up to my

811
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 1: end of the deal, minus the one at fifty five

812
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: yards in Oregon there in nineteen. But now we may

813
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: get into we haven't really even touched on the ideal

814
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: shot angles and shot distances. Anybody that's listened to my

815
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: stuff before watching my hunt knows that I'm a big

816
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: I always got to go into this a little bit squirmy, gingerly. Yeah,

817
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of frontels. They're very, very effective,

818
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: and they will kill elk faster than any broadside shot

819
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: I've ever taken. But with that, here's the big asterisk,

820
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: the precursor, the whatever. Like I need to now hit

821
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: the two inch white circle inside of my hex before

822
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: like that's my distance. I'm comfortable, like I need to

823
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: have a blade strike that because I'm now just limited

824
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 1: my kill zone to maybe a three to a four

825
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: inch wide by about a ten inch tall, and I

826
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 1: can't I can't afford to go left or right, and

827
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: I even put more pressure on myself. I've really got

828
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: to hit about a three by six area, you know,

829
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: above the strendom, above that collar, that bone structure up

830
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: into the neck, and I really need to be shooting

831
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: good and a lot of times that means I'm limiting

832
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: myself to twenty five ish, maybe thirty on a real

833
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:59,439
Speaker 1: good year. Because a frontal shot gone left or right

834
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: or low or even high can can turn bad really quick.

835
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: It can be the greatest shot in the world, but

836
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 1: if you miss, it's not going to turn out very well.

837
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: And a lot of times that bull is gonna get away.

838
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 2: Now you all know that Jason Phelps is a nerd, right,

839
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 2: He's like this engineering nerd. But I don't know if

840
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 2: he's a movie nerd. And I think I think I

841
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 2: know the answer to this because he says he don't

842
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 2: watch movies. But Phelps, you ever watched Empire Strikes Back?

843
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: No, not any of that stuff.

844
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 2: Of the Star Wars series. So there's this big, huge

845
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 2: death Star thing that's like a basically a man created planet,

846
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 2: you know, that's full of like bad guys. Anyway, the

847
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 2: mission was they had to dry, they had to fly

848
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 2: down this trench and they had to shoot. They had

849
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 2: to shoot basically the proverbial frontal shot on a bull elk.

850
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 2: But they're good on like, I don't know, fifty million

851
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 2: light years speed and anyway, they have to shoot and

852
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 2: it has to go down this like ventilation pipe, right,

853
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 2: and I kind of I always picture the frontal shots

854
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 2: on elk are the same thing. I'm like, if you

855
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 2: do it right, I mean, this whole damn thing's gonna explode.

856
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 2: You know, you're gonna kill that elk, no problem. But

857
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,720
Speaker 2: if you don't do it perfect, it's a bad deal.

858
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 2: And will the elk die? Maybe? Maybe not, depends on

859
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 2: where it depends on where your elk or your arrow hits.

860
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 2: If it's not inside the perfect circle, why is that

861
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 2: a big deal. Let's say, Well, I don't really care

862
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 2: if it kill it or not. You know, some people maybe,

863
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 2: but I think we're all we all want a humane

864
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 2: death for the elk. But and also you could spend

865
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 2: you know, the next day or two searching for your

866
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 2: bowl on your buddy that didn't shoot on his day

867
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:52,919
Speaker 2: to shoot. You could you could spend a whole day

868
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 2: on his day to shoot and not. You know, it

869
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 2: just takes takes you guys out of the game. So

870
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 2: I feel like, not only you gotta you owe it

871
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 2: to the elk for a quick, humane kill, also you

872
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 2: gotta owe it to your buddy to make a to

873
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 2: take good shots. You start taking risky shots. Pretty soon

874
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 2: you're just chasing blood trails when you should be just hunting.

875
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 2: You know. And I've found out now I'm not a

876
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 2: huge I am not a huge fan of a frontal

877
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 2: and I'll tell you why, just because I know how

878
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 2: emotions can run high in people. I know how abilities

879
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 2: and kind of like what we talked about. You know,

880
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 2: you get you get winded, you got your pack, you're

881
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 2: you're you're you're in distress, you're shooting in distress. And

882
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 2: a lot of times when a let's just let's just

883
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 2: be honest, a big bull elk walks in frontal, it's

884
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 2: pretty intimidating. You know, he's a he is a big animal.

885
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 2: That thing's his his face is about your level. You know,

886
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,399
Speaker 2: he's probably six feet tall at you know, when he's

887
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 2: standing there at normal stance and that thing's walking in

888
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 2: it's pretty intimidating. And then to kind of hold your

889
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 2: crap together and make that perfect shot, it can't be

890
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,919
Speaker 2: remarkable for a lot of shooters. It's it's a tough

891
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 2: shot to make just that in itself. Then you have

892
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 2: to consider, Okay, is this elk a pill from me?

893
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 2: Is he downhill? Like? What are your angles? He is

894
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 2: he perfectly frontal? Is he not perfectly a frontal? And

895
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 2: when you're a little excited, it's kind of hard to

896
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 2: it's kind of hard to determine those things. So I

897
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,760
Speaker 2: don't recommend it. I typically won't take it. I will say,

898
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 2: if if I had my bow drawn this and a

899
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 2: bull walked in and he it was the right yardage

900
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 2: and he's on the same plane as me, and everything

901
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 2: was perfect, and it's close, let's say ten to twenty yards,

902
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 2: I would probably take the shot. But if it wasn't

903
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 2: exactly perfect, I would not. You know, I've taken I've

904
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 2: taken two, I've taken kind of a quarring frontel, and

905
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 2: I've taken a full frontal, and the full frontal he

906
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 2: died within forty seconds. He had left a blood trail

907
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 2: that Stevie Wonder could follow. You know. It was just

908
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 2: it was amazing the other one, and it was kind

909
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 2: of a quartering shot, which I watched Jason Felp take

910
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 2: that same shot and his bolt I like, quick as

911
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 2: can be that one Idaho, when you and Charlie were

912
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 2: down in that crap hole. I'm like, oh yeah, this

913
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 2: this is like the same Sara. So I took that

914
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 2: shot and I don't know my arrow had didn't hit

915
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 2: the right spot, it didn't penetrate, and I never did

916
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 2: find that bowl. He was bugling again two days later.

917
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,240
Speaker 2: But that was a heck of a monkey.

918
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: On my back.

919
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 2: Man. Once, once I had that, Once you have that happen,

920
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 2: it's like, oh man, you gotta walk around with that

921
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 2: monkey on your back, and it makes really hard to

922
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 2: draw your bow again and not think about that monkey

923
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 2: and make a good shot on the next time. So

924
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 2: I try to avoid it myself.

925
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, why we're on frontels. I'm just gonna you have

926
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 1: We've We've did a lot of these on social media,

927
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 1: like where would you shoot the bowl? And we show

928
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: a frontel and everybody or the majority ends up aiming

929
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: too low. I don't understand it because then we will

930
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: show the bowl like basically we twist at ninety degrees

931
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: and show you like, well, your arrow literally just went

932
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 1: through the bottom eight of the elk, like if you

933
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: were to the the vitals, like you still want to imagine.

934
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: So if the bull's walking uphill, you would maybe want

935
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: to hit a little lower, But if the bulls walking downhill,

936
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 1: like downhill to you, you would want to hit a

937
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: little higher. And if it's on plane, you need to

938
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: be like you need to intersect the center of that.

939
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: You know, we're trying to hit that connection between the

940
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: heart and the lungs, like the mass you know the

941
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 1: the entire you know, pump of the city, you know,

942
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: everything that's making everything else work. You're and it's a

943
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: it's a pretty small section, but it's it's located about

944
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,879
Speaker 1: halfway up the bull's body. And if you're going low,

945
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: where most people end up wanting to always pick, you're

946
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: gonna like maybe if you can get through the sternum

947
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: and all the heavy bone structure there, you maybe will

948
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: catch the heart. But that bone structure is going to

949
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: protect the majority of the heart at most of your angles,

950
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 1: Like you got to get up into the soft tissue

951
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: and get up into the heart where the heart connects

952
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: into the lungs. And so that's that's one thing on

953
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: angles that I think a lot of people not understanding

954
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: the a goals and where the vitals are at. Everybody

955
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: seems to aim low on a on a on a frontel,

956
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: which is not going to work out very well for

957
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: you or the oak.

958
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I want to bust a myth right here

959
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 2: because a lot of people say, oh, you want to

960
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,439
Speaker 2: aim at the at the hair transition where it goes

961
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 2: from light to dark or whatever, And just the fact

962
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 2: is every elk is different. Their hair is not going

963
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 2: to be exactly in the same place. The transition is

964
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 2: not going to be in the same exact place, and

965
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 2: as a bolt come walking in on you, it's going

966
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 2: to be tough to recognize that spot. So you have

967
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 2: to understand anatomy to hit that thoracic opening, which is

968
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 2: going to be about halfway if you return the Elk's broadside.

969
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 2: It's going to be like if you were to cut

970
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 2: make a line halfway between top and bottom, then that

971
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 2: that line that would line would go straight out to

972
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 2: the thoracic opening, and that's that's where the line has

973
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 2: to be. Above that, you're going to hit him in

974
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 2: the neck. Now you may kill him, you may not.

975
00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 2: Below it. Like Jason said, there's that all that bone

976
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 2: mass down there's going to be really tough. Can you

977
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 2: shoot through it? It has been done, But to shoot

978
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 2: through it and hit you know, the heart or something vital,

979
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 2: it's tough. And if you hit high, you know you're

980
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,240
Speaker 2: gonna hit in the neck part of the spinal area,

981
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 2: and that's some massive bones to try to penetrate through too.

982
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 2: So you just have to really you really have to

983
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 2: study this and really understand elk anatomy and also understand

984
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 2: your shooting ability.

985
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm gonna one more point on the frontal

986
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,720
Speaker 1: animal switch the broadside angles. I'm gonna tell on myself

987
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: a little bit here, and it's not really telling on

988
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: myself that the bull died within thirty seconds. But any

989
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: of those that watched My Hunt with Ranella on Netflix,

990
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 1: I think it was season ten, episode six or something

991
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: like that, everybody's always like, what happened on the shot,

992
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: like we never showed it? Well, I was so I

993
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 1: was so locked in on where the vitals were. I

994
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: didn't pay attention to anything else. The bulls walking downhill.

995
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: My position at about a thirty degree slope, so not

996
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: super steep, but pretty good downhill, and the bull as

997
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 1: he was walking was bouncing his head, but I was

998
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: locked in on where I was, you know, not really

999
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: peeking around the side, but kind of like where is

1000
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 1: everything lining up? Like what are my angles? And I

1001
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: paid no attention to anything besides where I had to

1002
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: get that arrow and to kill it. And as he's

1003
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: doing that, he dropped his head on one of his bounces,

1004
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,240
Speaker 1: you know, as he's walking along, and that arrow actually

1005
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: went in just below his cheek and it was it

1006
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: went in through his neck, but the veins were hanging

1007
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: out by his face, and it looked like I had

1008
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 1: shot that bowl in the face, and Steve just elected

1009
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: to not. You know, I thank him for it because

1010
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: it didn't look good. It wasn't a good visual. But

1011
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: that bowl, the arrow went to the exact right spot.

1012
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: I've never to this day seen more blood. There's been

1013
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 1: equal bloods on frontals, but that bowl literally twirls, stands

1014
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: there for about four or five seconds, walks over and

1015
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: we can hear his horns like hitting the rocks. Within

1016
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: a minute, he's dead, expired. But it was one of

1017
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: those things where if I hadn't been paying full attention

1018
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: to angles and vidles, I would have just to avoid

1019
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: hitting him in the neck or the face, I would

1020
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: have aimed low, which would have been a bigger mistake,

1021
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 1: if that makes any sense. So I'm just given some examples,

1022
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 1: like real life examples, like the arrow didn't look like

1023
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 1: it went in the right spot. But if you can

1024
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: imagine an elk walking down hill, you hit him high

1025
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: and that arrow basically goes in horizontal like we hit

1026
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: all the right stuff at that angle. So just another

1027
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: example of you just really need to identify and understand

1028
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 1: how everything lays up in there and at the angle

1029
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: that you're at, the angle that the arrow's traveling, the

1030
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: angle that the elk is, and it's really that difference

1031
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 1: in angle of the arrow's path and then the bulls

1032
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: bodies path, like how and where you need to intersect vidles.

1033
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: So I'll diverge from frontals and we'll maybe go into

1034
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 1: some broadside shots and what you're looking for there and

1035
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: what your approach is to avoid bone and all of that.

1036
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 2: A frontal shot. One last thing frontal shot to me

1037
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 2: is basically the difference between a frontal and a broadside

1038
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 2: broad shot. Broadside shots are like shooting for free throws

1039
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 2: in basketball. Frontals are like that buzzer beater at the

1040
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 2: end where you're at the weird into the court and

1041
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 2: you just hail marryot and like hope it goes in

1042
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 2: the hole. That's the same about the same amount of

1043
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 2: odds against you. Maybe, I don't know, maybe not. People

1044
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 2: will probably argue that, but I don't know. I'm not

1045
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:30,439
Speaker 2: a fan.

1046
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,879
Speaker 1: But okay, so the old, the old bread and butter,

1047
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 1: the broadside shot. You know, ideally, sometimes it's tough to

1048
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: get the elk to do this when you're calling yourself

1049
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: or you don't have anybody else able to kind of

1050
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: turn the bowl for you. A lot of times what

1051
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 1: happens is that bull will come into a yard is

1052
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: where he expects to see the bull or the cow

1053
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 1: I don't want to say, get nervous, but doesn't see

1054
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: what he wants, and then he'll like, you know, he

1055
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,439
Speaker 1: does that like I'm leaving dance right where he kind

1056
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: of twirls and moves and you know, may do his

1057
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 1: dance or maybe he's traveling through the area on his

1058
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: way to the call in. Regardless of what it is,

1059
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: you'll end up getting a broadside or a slightly quartering

1060
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 1: to or slightly quartering away shot, Like what's your approach?

1061
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 1: What are you thinking about on all of those? And

1062
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,359
Speaker 1: what's your preferred shot there?

1063
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of times they'll have them come in

1064
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 2: and they'll kind of pause, or if you can tell

1065
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 2: by how their their eyes look or their demeanor, they

1066
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,720
Speaker 2: come in, they'll pause, they're looking for that other elk,

1067
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 2: and then if they don't see it, then they'll start.

1068
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,879
Speaker 2: They may they may come in front and then they

1069
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 2: turn sideways and I'm waiting for that sideway shot typically

1070
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:42,320
Speaker 2: and where I'm going to aim. You know, if you

1071
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 2: aim right in that crease, right very close to the

1072
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 2: shoulder blades and scalpula, if you there's kind of a

1073
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 2: little v there where the scapula comes up and then

1074
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 2: the leg bone kind of comes down, There's almost makes

1075
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 2: kind of a v there right in that little pocket

1076
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 2: is like the most deadly spot to hit them. But

1077
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 2: if things don't go right, let's say the bowl moves

1078
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 2: at the at the shot. Let's say I'm torquing my bow.

1079
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 2: Let's say I don't execute the shot perfect, it's very

1080
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 2: easy to hit, to hit that shoulder blade. So I

1081
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,320
Speaker 2: typically don't aim at that little pocket. I'm going to

1082
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 2: aim away from it a little ways, maybe six inches

1083
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 2: away from that pocket. I don't want I don't want

1084
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 2: there to be any any issues with penetration whatsoever. So

1085
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 2: I will kind of aim a little further back, but

1086
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 2: not too far back. I don't want to try to aim,

1087
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 2: you know, back to where it's like now I'm I'm

1088
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 2: shaking hands with liver and lungs. I want to you know,

1089
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 2: there's a there's a happy media in there.

1090
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm in the same boat. Like you know, we

1091
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: can argue over all day whether you want to hit

1092
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 1: high lungs, so it dies quick and don't get any blood.

1093
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,720
Speaker 1: Low lungs, you know, it lives a little bit longer,

1094
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: but you get a blood trail, you know, do you

1095
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: go heart? But I'm in that same I go about

1096
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: halfway up the body, which is maybe just a little tighter,

1097
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,879
Speaker 1: you know, a little higher than that crease, and then

1098
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 1: I come back from it three to six inches. Typically,

1099
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 1: it's like my ideal aiming. And the reason for that

1100
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 1: is it gives you the most margin for air. Right,

1101
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: I can go three to six inches to my left

1102
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: and still not hit that bone. I can go up

1103
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 1: six inches and still catch long. I can go down

1104
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,439
Speaker 1: six inches and catch heart or the bottom of the lung,

1105
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: and I can go back six inches and still catch

1106
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: lung right. And so it really just gives me the largest,

1107
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 1: the biggest margin for any air that may affect, you know,

1108
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: if we're gonna be able to kill or to quickly

1109
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 1: kill that bowl. And so that's been always my approach.

1110
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 1: Like you know, slightly below, if you get real you nitpicky,

1111
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: slightly below half six inches back from that crease three

1112
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 1: to six inches and that's always on a broadside shot.

1113
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 1: That's that's been a good location. Now you get that.

1114
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: I love a quartering away shot as well, But we

1115
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 1: need to start being smart hunters and once again working

1116
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,760
Speaker 1: on those angles, Like is that bowl starts to quarter away?

1117
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 1: My arrows going eight inches back from the he's ten

1118
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,760
Speaker 1: inches back from the crease, twelve inches back from the crease,

1119
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 1: and what what a good you know rule of thumb

1120
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: and you've heard it, you know you're not hearing it

1121
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: from me. First is try to imagine where that arrow

1122
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,439
Speaker 1: is going to cross through and come out the other side.

1123
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 1: And you're trying to put together once again, you know,

1124
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,320
Speaker 1: using all this geometry, like where does that going to

1125
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 1: line everything up? Where you're going to hit like through

1126
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 1: the middle of the lungs, through the heart? And so

1127
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: is the more that bowl of quarters, the more that

1128
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: arrow's got to come back to a point where you

1129
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 1: no longer want to hit him in the hind quarter, right,

1130
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 1: And so that's it, like that's my limit, Like all right,

1131
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: I'm no longer shooting at this bowl because he's turned

1132
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: too much. So that's that's kind of how the the

1133
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: quartering away and then quartering two. You get a little

1134
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 1: margin of air, but at some point, you know, if

1135
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 1: he gets turned too much towards you ten or fifteen,

1136
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: you can't catch him on the frontel, you can't catch him.

1137
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: You can't really catch vital because of the leg bones

1138
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:52,839
Speaker 1: behind it, and so you're really just kind of stuck

1139
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 1: waiting for a better shot opportunity at some point on

1140
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 1: a quartering two.

1141
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the quartering two is tough. You can squeak

1142
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 2: it in in front of the shoulder if you have

1143
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 2: the right angle and you know it'll work great if

1144
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:10,919
Speaker 2: unless it don't, you shoot behind it. You could catch

1145
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:15,720
Speaker 2: one lung and liver. Typically a liver shots pretty deadly.

1146
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 2: There's not gonna be a lot of blood, and they

1147
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,399
Speaker 2: sometimes they die fast, sometimes they don't die fast. It's

1148
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,439
Speaker 2: just you never know. And then that quartering way shot

1149
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 2: you have to be super careful. Let's say you execute

1150
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 2: the shot. It's it's really severely quartered away from you

1151
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 2: and you enter the pont your arrow it hinders the

1152
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 2: paunch and it continues and then lodges on the off

1153
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 2: side shoulder. So you're gonna get all the goodies. But

1154
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,479
Speaker 2: the problem is is the entry hole you're not gonna

1155
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 2: have an exit wind sometimes, so the entry hole is

1156
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,399
Speaker 2: going to be the only hole that thing has, and

1157
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 2: it's gonna the the guts a lot of times, some

1158
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 2: fatty material sometimes just you know, gut material is gonna

1159
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 2: clog that hole up and you're just gonna not gonna

1160
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 2: get a good blood trail. I've I've been involved with

1161
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 2: that before. I had a friend that that shot a

1162
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 2: bull like that and we tracked it and tracked it

1163
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 2: and tracked it, and we didn't find it till it

1164
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 2: was too late. That there was a good, very lethal shot,

1165
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 2: but did not leave enough sign to recover him in time.

1166
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 2: So you just have to be really careful with those

1167
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 2: those quartering angles and maybe air on the side of

1168
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 2: not having it couring too far away to at a

1169
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:28,439
Speaker 2: too steep of an angle, so where you're at your rib,

1170
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 2: your air will enter the rib cage on on your

1171
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 2: side and then lodging that front shoulder or in front

1172
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,760
Speaker 2: or exit the cavity in front of the front shoulder.

1173
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, two holes are always better than one for sure,

1174
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's we can we can get into the

1175
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: nitty gritty like people that have shot enough bowls have

1176
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 1: seen it, Like high long probably is one of the

1177
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 1: quickest kill shots as far as like the bull, but

1178
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: it leaves you no blood. So where I hunt in

1179
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: the jungle, like, there have been times where I've hit

1180
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 1: a bowl high and I'm like, gosh, dang it. You know,

1181
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: you start to think, like I'm never gonna be able

1182
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: to track him now, but thankfully they've died in ten

1183
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,760
Speaker 1: or fifteen steps. You know. It's it's that quick at times.

1184
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 1: Or yeah, the bull may live a little bit longer.

1185
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: But if I'm hunting and I'm trying to pretend like

1186
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 1: I've got this down to a science where if I'm

1187
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 1: hunting brush area's like, all right, I'm gonna hit the

1188
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 1: bowl low now, and if it's wide open, I'm going

1189
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 1: to hit the bowl high. It's not that I'm not

1190
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: that you know, you know, detailed in it, but there

1191
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 1: are times where it's all right, the lower heart, lower

1192
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 1: lung type shot is going to make sure I've got

1193
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 1: good blood. He's still going to die, and I'm going

1194
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: to be able to find him and make sure that

1195
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 1: you can, you know, bring all the meat back to

1196
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 1: your your cooler, versus like, all right, I'm gonna take

1197
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 1: a risk on it and hit him a little bit higher.

1198
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 1: You're playing with that that void you know along the back,

1199
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: you're playing with not a lot of blood, albeit it

1200
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 1: will die quick. But if that, if you give that

1201
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 1: bowl you know, one hundred to two hundred yards of

1202
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: ability to sprint like it just become really difficult to find.

1203
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: So another thing that needs to go through your head is,

1204
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: you know, keep your shot low and at times, if

1205
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 1: you're in the right terrain, then a higher shot will

1206
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 1: be just fine. But like I say, I usually aim

1207
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 1: for below the half line, and that guarantees I get

1208
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 1: good blood expires quick and just seems to be the

1209
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 1: best of all options there.

1210
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 2: And without without watching videos back like what, it's been

1211
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 2: really really valuable to film our l hunts over the

1212
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 2: years because what you think happens at the moment of

1213
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 2: truth when you fire the bow, when you release that

1214
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 2: arrow versus reality or a lot of times two different

1215
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 2: things what you see and perceived because everything moves at

1216
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 2: such a fast time and you're so hyper focused. But

1217
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 2: for instance, I shot this bowl in twenty nineteen. I

1218
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 2: injured my shoulder that year and I shot. I had

1219
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 2: to draw my bow with a mouth tab and you

1220
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 2: can look that up on my YouTube channel mouth tab Madness.

1221
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 2: I think it's episode ten where I shoot the bowl.

1222
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 2: But anyhow, I was aiming below the below that center line,

1223
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 2: you know, like we talk about, and this bowl was

1224
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 2: just kind of coming. He was pissed off and he

1225
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:09,439
Speaker 2: was not at least the least bit alert. He wasn't

1226
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 2: looking for danger, and I had I had my pen

1227
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 2: on him and I and I released the arrow and

1228
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 2: it hits him. He runs off and then pauses and

1229
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 2: then he takes off again. But anyway, so I just

1230
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 2: know I just crushed the same like I just I

1231
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 2: know I hit the perfect spot. There's no way I didn't.

1232
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 2: The shot felt good and everything. Well we find the ball.

1233
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 2: He didn't bleed real great. Well, he bled internally because

1234
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 2: the arrow it had hit above that center line. I'm like, man,

1235
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 2: hit really high, like eight inches high, like that's crazy. Well,

1236
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 2: you watch the video back and at the shot that

1237
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 2: bowl that was not really you know, looking for danger.

1238
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 2: He dropped. He dropped about eight inches so that if

1239
00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 2: it wouldn't have been for that, it would have hit perfect.

1240
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 2: So giving yourself that mark that that room aim just

1241
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 2: you know, a bit below the centern line, not too

1242
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 2: close to that shoulder because anything can happen those, you know,

1243
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 2: and then the next elki you shoot, when the bow

1244
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 2: goes off, nothing happens but the arrow just burying right

1245
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 2: where you aim. So it's it's hard to anticipate exactly,

1246
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 2: but aim to aim to places where even if the

1247
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 2: animal reacts, it's still going to hit good vitals and

1248
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 2: you'll be able to find them.

1249
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 1: Yep, and piggyback on that a little bit, you know,

1250
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 1: should you you know, similar to whitetail hunting where people

1251
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 1: like go to the lowest lower edge a lot of

1252
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 1: times of the vitals, right, knowing that that gives a

1253
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 1: more margin above I still, would you ever aim you know,

1254
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 1: low on an elk or we just assume that the

1255
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 1: majority of the time they don't drop, like that was

1256
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 1: a little bit of an anomaly, or you you're just

1257
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 1: going to aim your normal spot and then you know,

1258
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 1: with an elk being as big as they are, we

1259
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:52,440
Speaker 1: still have that you know, that room above it to

1260
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 1: still make a vital hit. But you just like you did,

1261
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 1: ended up with a little less blood right right.

1262
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 2: I'm going to aim my normal spot, but that normal

1263
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 2: spot is just below center line. So yeah, you don't

1264
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 2: want to aim at center line because then if they

1265
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 2: react and drop too far, you may not have enough

1266
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 2: blood to follow.

1267
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm in agreement there. Well, appreciate having you on. Always,

1268
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 1: nice to chat elk with you and yeah, like we

1269
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 1: like we're talking here a lot. It's it's middle of May.

1270
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 1: It's time to start, you know, shooting your bows, getting

1271
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 1: everything dialed in. For me, I usually get my stuff

1272
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 1: dialed in about this time and then kind of really

1273
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 1: go on cruise control, try to shoot twenty thirty arrows

1274
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 1: three or four times a week and just kind of

1275
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:35,440
Speaker 1: and then I go on real cruise control as it

1276
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 1: gets towards season, like maybe shooting you know, five to

1277
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Speaker 1: ten shots and really really concentrating on every SHOT's good,

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Speaker 1: But get your setups figured out now so there's not

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Speaker 1: a big panic before. Make sure everything's you know, tuned

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Speaker 1: for broadheads already. And yeah, that's what we got on

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Speaker 1: on the on this episode of Cutting the Distance.

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Speaker 2: Yeah sure, thanks for joining, Dirk. Yeah, I was gonna

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Speaker 2: tell everybody one more thing. If if you if you're

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Speaker 2: if you want to really check out, you know, find

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Speaker 2: the the your weaknesses or your chinks and your armor

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Speaker 2: go to the Total Archery Challenge here and one of

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Speaker 2: the Western events, you know, where it's real steep and

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Speaker 2: and excessive distances and and high elevation and stuff. And

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Speaker 2: that that is a great warm up for elk season

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Speaker 2: to to to identify your strong points and your weaknesses too,

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Speaker 2: because we didn't even talk about third access access on

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Speaker 2: on your on your your sites and stuff, and that's it.

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Speaker 2: That's the place that's gonna that's gonna find it. And uh,

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Speaker 2: it's really hard to find that set that third access

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Speaker 2: in your backyard. You'll have to go shoot that in

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Speaker 2: at a steep angle somewhere out of town if you

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Speaker 2: have that opportunity somewhere. But yeah, hit hit up those

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Speaker 2: those extreme three D R archery shoots and and that'll

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Speaker 2: really help you out for for season this fall.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, it'll frustrate the absolute hell out of

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Speaker 1: you when you can't figure out how to deal with

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Speaker 1: your third access and get it tuned in. So it'll

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Speaker 1: be it's a great learning experience, yeah for sure. And

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Speaker 1: it'll it'll really humble you that, like maybe I should

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Speaker 1: keep my shots inside of forty or fifty when.

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Speaker 2: It gets steep, Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: Stuff goes hey wire quick. Yeah. So, if you guys

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Speaker 1: ever see pictures of me shooting off the tip top

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Speaker 1: of my roof down to the target, just know that

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Speaker 1: I'm not crazy. I'm just trying to get my third

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Speaker 1: access dialed in, all right. Thanks a lot, Derek, I

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Speaker 1: have a good one happy birthday, and we'll check in later.

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Speaker 2: Thanks.

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Speaker 1: Yep yep,