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Speaker 1: Hey, what's up everybody.

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Speaker 2: I'm Jameel Hill and welcome to politics and I heard

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Speaker 2: podcast and unbothered production.

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Speaker 1: Time to get spolitical. Amid all the NBA.

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Speaker 2: Free agency news, it was easy for the gambling scandal

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Speaker 2: So let me tell you why you need to be

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Speaker 2: paying attention to this. The Pistons guard was a great

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Speaker 2: addition this season for my Pistons. I mean, he finished

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Speaker 2: his three hundred and nineteen threes were the most enfranchised

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Speaker 2: history and second in the league overall. But now Beasley

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Speaker 2: is under investigation in a federal gambling probe, which is

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Speaker 2: centered around suspicious gambling activity from the twenty twenty three

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Speaker 2: to twenty four season when Beasley was with the Milwaukee Bucks. Now,

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Speaker 2: according to an ESPN report, at least one prominent US

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Speaker 2: January twenty twenty four. More specifically, in the ESPN report,

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Speaker 2: a gambling industry source pointed to a game between the

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Speaker 2: Bucks and the Trailblazers on January thirty, first twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 2: when the odds on Beasley recording fewer than two and

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Speaker 2: a half rebounds moved significantly at sports books before the

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Speaker 2: game due to a surge of action on the under. However,

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Speaker 2: in that game, Beasley finished with six rebounds and the

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Speaker 2: bets that raised an eyebrow lost. But the story has

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Speaker 2: a lot more complicated layers than this. Multiple reports have

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Speaker 2: surfaced showing that Beasley is facing significant financial issues. There's

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Speaker 2: the Detroit News showed that Beasley owes a lot of

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Speaker 2: for failing to repay a six hundred and fifty thousand

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Speaker 1: His name, image, and likeness.

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Speaker 2: Beasley also was in deep with companies that specialized in

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Speaker 2: point eight million dollar judgment against him when he played

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Speaker 1: Contracts as collateral.

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Speaker 2: Beasley is also being sued for back rent for a

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Speaker 1: He had to pay a.

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Speaker 2: Twenty six thousand dollars judgment to a celebrity barber. A

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Speaker 2: barber I mean where they dipping the clippers in gold?

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Speaker 2: Was his even blessed by the Pope? I mean for

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Speaker 2: He also owed another thirty five grand to his dentist,

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Speaker 2: Veneers better have been warned by Jesus.

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Speaker 1: Now, if you're wondering.

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Speaker 2: How a player who has earned sixty million in his

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Speaker 2: Russell Red from JKI promoters as Matt bars what's explained,

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Speaker 3: So my deals were three hundred, four hundred and five

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Speaker 3: late nineties early two thousands, wasn't talked about. We talked

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Speaker 1: Well, Beasley hasn't been charged with anything.

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Speaker 2: Beasley situation should be especially concerning because this is what

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Speaker 2: pressured to throw games. But in some ways, sports leagues

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Speaker 2: While sports certainly had high profile gambling scandals prior to

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Speaker 2: be fully transparent. I have and do bet on sports,

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Speaker 2: More people bet on sports than invest in stocks, and

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Speaker 1: Bet on it. I'm Jameel Hill, and I approved this message.

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Speaker 2: The idea of sports being inclusive shouldn't be a controversial message.

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Speaker 2: But when my guest today announced that his football camp

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Speaker 2: But he stood on what he said, and those that

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Speaker 1: Were welcome at his camp.

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Speaker 2: On this episode, we'll unpack that in so much more

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Speaker 2: coming up next on Spolitics Colin Saunders.

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Speaker 1: All right, Colin on to thank you for joining me.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to start this episode as I start every episode,

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Speaker 2: by asking each guest that appears on Spolotics to name

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Speaker 4: Oh that is that is a question, okay, because wow,

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Speaker 4: So I'll say I'll go in my earliest memory because

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Speaker 5: Like running into each other and high five and you know,

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Speaker 4: Like that's how early on I enjoyed it, because then

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Speaker 5: Just I think that I can.

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Speaker 1: When he was at Virginia Tech.

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Speaker 2: There's been so much conversation about whether or not football

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Speaker 4: Football is almost a person like when you take all

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Speaker 4: So that, you know, football just taught me so much

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Speaker 5: It's like a character within itself.

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Speaker 2: Of course, with you playing for the Saints, I would

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's actually crazy. My nephew texted me that he

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Speaker 4: So that's just kind of, you know, that's my stance

437
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,680
Speaker 4: and how I've always lived my life, and I feel

438
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 4: like it's a positive way.

439
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 5: To live it.

440
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 2: So now you had to know that when you made

441
00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 2: the intention publicly known that this is going to be

442
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 2: welcome to, you know, this group of marginalized people, that

443
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 2: it was going to create a reaction.

444
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, so what has the reaction been?

445
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, so obviously, you know, I always talk about social

446
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 4: media and the powers and powers of it, but also

447
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 4: the negatives of it. And so when you you understand that,

448
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,159
Speaker 4: you kind of just bypass it because there's always going

449
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:30,199
Speaker 4: to be a lot of positive and a lot of support,

450
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,200
Speaker 4: and then there's always gonna be a lot of negativity.

451
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 5: And because that's what social media is.

452
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 4: It's literally a platform for people to say they like

453
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 4: something or don't like something. That's because that's what the

454
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 4: picture is posted for, to say how I like this

455
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 4: or oh why was she posted?

456
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 5: You know what I mean? So I knew early.

457
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 4: I knew from very early on that there was gonna

458
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,199
Speaker 4: be you know, the people who try and spend it

459
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 4: the ways that they spent it, and you know, oh,

460
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 4: he's forcing this on to the children and stuff like that,

461
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,120
Speaker 4: and then they are gonna be people who you know,

462
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 4: know me personally. I've played I've been playing in the

463
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 4: league for seven years, so I'm pretty sure there's at

464
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 4: least probably one person on each team that I've played with,

465
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 4: and I know that they got my back because that

466
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 4: type of person I am. I've never had an enemy

467
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,439
Speaker 4: on any of my teams anything like that, and so

468
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 4: you know, when this comes up in the news, it's like, oh, man,

469
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 4: what's he doing and stuff like that. I know I

470
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 4: can rely on that person in those other locker rooms

471
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 4: to be like, oh, yes, my dog, big man. You

472
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 4: know his brother is gay and he is, you know,

473
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 4: trying to just create an environment of acceptance and positivity.

474
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 4: So you know, when I realized that, I really didn't.

475
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 4: And then on top of that, like I've said before,

476
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:48,880
Speaker 4: my father is Ken Saunders, and that man don't care

477
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,239
Speaker 4: about nothing, and I get that thoroughly from him. Like,

478
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, if all of this

479
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 4: goes over anybody's head.

480
00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 5: Just at the end of the day, the messages I

481
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 5: don't care, I don't care. I'm like, what do you

482
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 5: what if this?

483
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 4: If you don't enjoy or if you don't like me

484
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 4: promoting being nice to other people, go be mean somewhere else,

485
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,199
Speaker 4: Like go ahead, It's this world is huge, bro, Like,

486
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 4: you don't got to focus on anything I'm doing if

487
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 4: you don't like it or support it, just like I

488
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 4: don't if I don't like someone support it. I just

489
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 4: I don't bring negative negativity to it. I just leave

490
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 4: it alone.

491
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 5: I leave it be.

492
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 4: So that's my whole. You know, my goal is just

493
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 4: to spare positivity. And if you don't want to spare positivity,

494
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 4: then go ahead. No, do what you want to do.

495
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:39,400
Speaker 1: With your brother. When did you know or realize that

496
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 1: he was gay?

497
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 4: Since I realized my brother was gay, since I can

498
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 4: start remembering, honestly, like from very early on, like when

499
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 4: I was about five six. You know, I'm playing all

500
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 4: the sports and he's not like he's simple as simple

501
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 4: as that, Like you know, me and my brothers, I

502
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 4: mean be and my cousins and all of us. We're

503
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 4: playing basketball at the YMCA and he's like, you know,

504
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 4: in the cheerroom or or doing dance and stuff like that.

505
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 4: And that's not necessarily say like you got to be

506
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 4: gay to do that type of stuff. But it's like,

507
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 4: you know, from if from early on we're as kids,

508
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 4: we're so impressionable that we're gonna do what everybody else

509
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 4: does because we don't know what we're supposed to do, right,

510
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 4: So you know, if you know that you want to

511
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 4: be doing something different, or you feel like, all right,

512
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 4: this is I have no interest in that, and this

513
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 4: is what my interest is. We didn't necessarily say, Okay,

514
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 4: Kevin is gay because he likes to dance and stuff

515
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 4: like that. We just notice, Okay, he doesn't like to

516
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 4: do what the stereotypical boy is doing, so we lay

517
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,919
Speaker 4: him to be continue to develop and be himself. And

518
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 4: then well I'm saying that like I'm older than or

519
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 4: something he did whatever I was indapers probably so I

520
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 4: ain't like I know, but I do know, like when

521
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 4: I start like having my memories for him and stuff,

522
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 4: I've always just remembered him, you know, being who he was,

523
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 4: you know who he is now and he's a professional

524
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 4: and all that now. But I still see the same,

525
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, chubby cheek big brother that

526
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 4: I've always known, and now, like I said, he's just

527
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 4: professional with it. So we've known who he was, and

528
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 4: we've known now, we've known that I was gonna be

529
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 4: the sports Jacques playing all the sports, getting hurt and

530
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 4: jumping off of bunk beers and stuff.

531
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 5: And then we know him as the five six seven eight.

532
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 4: That's all he do it Like he walked around the

533
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 4: house saying five six seven eight and making choreography and

534
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 4: you know, when a new song comes out, like he's

535
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 4: the first one to make a dance to it, you

536
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 4: know what I mean.

537
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 5: So stuff like.

538
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 4: That we've always known, and it's just the orientation came second,

539
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So you know, if he

540
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 4: was straight doing all this stuff, it would be no different.

541
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 4: It's just that's who he was, and he was who

542
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 4: he was unapologetically, and you know he came out to

543
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 4: the family. It's just like, okay, nice, now tomorrow is

544
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 4: tomorrow still right whatever, let's keep going forward.

545
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 2: So well, especially you know a little older than you

546
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 2: and I remember during when I was growing up, is

547
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 2: that very much so that kids that were considered to

548
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 2: be different, as you said, especially if you're a boy

549
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 2: and you were in the things that were considered to

550
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 2: be classically feminine or things that you know, girls quote unquote.

551
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: Tended to like that.

552
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 2: You got made fun of and bullying, you know quite

553
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 2: a bit, and the language around that and the community

554
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 2: feeling around that was not very positive. So how were

555
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 2: you all able to maybe protect your brother and that

556
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 2: in that way or was that even his reality where

557
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 2: maybe outside of your home, facing a different level of circumstances,

558
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 2: maybe some bullying, that kind of thing.

559
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely, you said it perfectly.

560
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 4: That's exactly what my family and I you know, try

561
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 4: to do is protect him. You know, it's it's you know,

562
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 4: as a mom, especially specifically my mom. You know, it's

563
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,719
Speaker 4: already hard enough to have a black boy in this world,

564
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 4: you know, due to a number of circumstances, but then

565
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 4: you add gay to that, and it's even more circumstances

566
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 4: to that. So, you know, we my family household was

567
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 4: built on love. And I know that's a very generic

568
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 4: thing to say, but what the type of love that

569
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 4: we were built on was very unconditional, Like it's very

570
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 4: it's very much if we don't have anybody, We have

571
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 4: to have each other because at the end of the day,

572
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 4: anybody can choose to not be in our life. But yeah,

573
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 4: I mean even family can choose to not me in

574
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 4: your life. But this is the only person who I

575
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 4: have like made with off top, like, no matter what,

576
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 4: this is my brother, this is my mom, dad, this

577
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 4: is my grandmother, you know what I mean. So we

578
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 4: were a very tight knit family unit, and because of that,

579
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 4: it led to us protecting Cameron, you know, from as

580
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 4: much as we could, and to me, you know, me

581
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 4: being a rough and tough boy, I always used to

582
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 4: want to meet it with for us and fight for

583
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 4: him and stuff like that. But then I learned, like,

584
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 4: you know, you can't beat people with hatred on their heart,

585
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 4: you know, so all I can do is meet them

586
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 4: with love and hopefully change their outlook. And that's when

587
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 4: I started to learn to get away from the physical

588
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 4: and get into the more emotional and mental side of

589
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 4: supporting allyship. And that's what's led me to today.

590
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 2: What did your brother think about you making you know,

591
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 2: sort of this intention known about how you wanted this

592
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 2: camp to be inclusive.

593
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: What did he think?

594
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 5: He was happy? He was very happy. I mean, he cried.

595
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 4: Obviously he's softy, but yeah, he's you know, very happy.

596
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 4: He's proud, and I tell him all the time. One

597
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 4: thing though, he was he was scared obviously because of

598
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,959
Speaker 4: like you said, the backlash, a get and all of that.

599
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 4: And I told him, I said, Cameron, like, we were

600
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 4: born for this because just as early as he just

601
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 4: as early as I knew I had a crush on

602
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 4: Kelly Rowland and beyond saying them, he knew he didn't

603
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. And so I was like,

604
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 4: I told him that because I said, I have to

605
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 4: remind him sometimes, like you know, it's this can get

606
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 4: overwhelming because you know, I'm on the talk show with

607
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 4: you and I'm doing Today's show and all this stuff now,

608
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 4: But in reality, like this is what we I said,

609
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 4: I was born into allyship because you've known who you

610
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 4: were since then and I was gonna love you regardless.

611
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 5: So you know, my it was destiny.

612
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 4: It was it was just and the other part of

613
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 4: destiny was that we just both quote unquote famous now

614
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,959
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, and that kind of you know,

615
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 4: that's why it's making the headlines that it is, because

616
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 4: if it was just you know, a guy that work

617
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 4: at Whole Foods and and then his brother that you

618
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 4: know whatever, work at a little office.

619
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 5: Nobody would have cared.

620
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 4: But it's it's the Saunders brothers, and so I feel

621
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 4: like that's why, you know, it is on the level

622
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 4: it is. But I mean, at the end of the day,

623
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 4: this is what this is what I was born to do.

624
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 5: Literally.

625
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, again, negative reaction expected on the other side of it.

626
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 2: How have people in the community, in the lgd LGBT

627
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 2: plus community, how have they reacted to.

628
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 4: This, People in the queer community. Uh, they have embraced me,

629
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 4: you know, tenfold. I mean obviously even before this, just

630
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 4: the love that I show for my brother, uh, because

631
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 4: before it is, you know, he was already starting to

632
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 4: get traction in. And then we didn't like the Gillette.

633
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 4: We had a little Gillette like you know, sponsorship and

634
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 4: demo type of thing, and uh, even with that, we

635
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 4: started to see like how much support that people were

636
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 4: getting this. And I started getting messages from random people

637
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 4: I've never met, and they're just like, you know, what

638
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 4: you're doing in the community is so powerful and impactful

639
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 4: and stuff like that. And I didn't even look at

640
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 4: it as anything that I was trying to make an

641
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 4: impact with. It was just more so of a oh, yeah,

642
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 4: this is like let me make sure they know that

643
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 4: they're included. Not not necessarily like you said, an exclusive

644
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 4: to you know, straight people or anything like that, but

645
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 4: it was like, more so, let me know that they're included.

646
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 4: And then it became all of this, and so, you know,

647
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 4: I think that I've always just tried to have people

648
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 4: feel welcome and included and it's turned into this. But

649
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 4: you know that was wasn't my intention at first. It

650
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 4: was just you know, show show support.

651
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 2: Now, football, as you know, is one of the most masculine,

652
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 2: you know, especially NFL locker rooms. Have I don't know,

653
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 2: have you heard from your teammates or other people you

654
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,919
Speaker 2: play with, or even just generally people around the league

655
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 2: about what you're doing and whatever they said.

656
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, obviously my teammates we talked about in

657
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,760
Speaker 4: the locker room, just you know, in passing and stuff.

658
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 4: And you know, obviously everybody, like I said, the people

659
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 4: that know me and the relationships that I form within

660
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 4: a team, they know where my heart is because they

661
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 4: know what the same way that I would do anything

662
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 4: for them, I would do anything for you know, all

663
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 4: my friends and all my brothers and stuff like that.

664
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 5: So I feel like the second people.

665
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 4: Meet me, they understand where my heart is and they

666
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 4: understand what I'm trying to accomplish with this more so

667
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 4: in being a vestige of acceptance and empathy and love

668
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 4: as opposed to you know, persuasion, you know what I mean.

669
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 4: And so you know, I feel like within my own

670
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 4: locker room, that conversation has started and to where it's

671
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 4: UH is making some progress. And then across UH the

672
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 4: league and and and across other areas, UH in sports

673
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 4: as well. You know, we're starting to see UH more

674
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 4: openly gay people be in different sports obviously, like track

675
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 4: is one of the ones I've noticed a lot of

676
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 4: openly gay people have been in and UH. And then

677
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 4: it's also in basketball, not the NBA, but the w

678
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 4: n B A Like that's they're very you know, opening

679
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 4: that regard as well. And so it's not like it's

680
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 4: something that's not going on, you know, it's just not

681
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 4: in football. And I feel like what I've said before

682
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 4: and I will stick by is is let the athlete

683
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 4: be the athlete. Like if you have metrics that say,

684
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 4: if you have metrics and stats that say, hey, I'm

685
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 4: good at this, then you're good at it. Like there

686
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 4: should be no no, you know, are you good at it?

687
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 4: But you're gay, so you're not good at it? No,

688
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 4: that makes no sense. Like I bring up Michael Sam

689
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 4: all the time, because that's a person like like, this

690
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 4: is a man who is the SEC Player of the Year,

691
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 4: Like the SEC is the best conference in college football

692
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 4: and arguably and he was the best defender in that conference,

693
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 4: and yet somehow his NFL career just magically didn't pan out.

694
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 4: You know, stuff like that it makes you question people's

695
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 4: motives and and and agendas and stuff like that.

696
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 5: But you know, I think that we're we're in a.

697
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 4: Climate of a society right now where it needs to

698
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 4: be talked about and and and it can only move forward.

699
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 4: You know, it's hard to go backwards from where we're

700
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 4: at right now, you know what I mean.

701
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean there's an openly game player in

702
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 2: the NFL right now who plays for the Raiders.

703
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, caring this, he reached out, He reaches out.

704
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, me and me and him have been ever

705
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 4: since this came out, Me and Carl Nassim and Trey McBride,

706
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 4: who is his he has two mothers. We have all

707
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 4: three of us have been in contact like thoroughly, and

708
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 4: you know they're like Carls more so of man, thank

709
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 4: you for you know, supporting all of that. And then

710
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 4: Trey McBride is more so of you know, a message

711
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,919
Speaker 4: of he's just preaching the same message because he has

712
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 4: his two mothers. So yeah, you know, I think that

713
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 4: I've been getting again some support and uh, like I said,

714
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 4: Carlo is the only one that is openly gay. But

715
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 4: you know, I just hope that my message is, you know,

716
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 4: to help anybody who feels like they're in the closet

717
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 4: or you know, can't be themselves.

718
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 5: It's just be yourself, you know.

719
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 4: Be be who you want to be, and be who

720
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 4: you are because it's too hard to be anybody else.

721
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 5: Not.

722
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 2: I know, NFL players are not naive. They do realize

723
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 2: that they there's a very high percentage chance that they

724
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 2: have played with someone who is gay and they just

725
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 2: didn't know it right, right, So it's like, you know,

726
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 2: so to some degree of just like you do realize that.

727
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, you have to be right.

728
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 4: It's like just look at the numbers, like you know, yeah,

729
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 4: if you know, unless just one in fifty one and

730
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 4: every fifty three men are gay, then you know, you

731
00:37:58,360 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 4: played with.

732
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 5: Somebody that's gay. So uh yeah, that's you know.

733
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 4: I think that once people kind of just take a

734
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 4: step back from what they what they feel about the

735
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 4: topic and just really look at it as you know,

736
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 4: because one another thing I would say is that everybody

737
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 4: has something that they, I guess feel like a different

738
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 4: about as far as you know, they have something that

739
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 4: they are trying to quote unquote hide because it's not

740
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 4: the norm of society, right, Like whether that be I

741
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 4: smoke cigarettes, or whether that be I drink too much

742
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 4: or something like that. Like, everybody has something that they're

743
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 4: you know, not that happy about, but being gay is

744
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 4: the only one that like everybody makes this big deal about,

745
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So I think that once,

746
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 4: you know, once we realize that, you know, know what

747
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 4: they say, like, no sin is greater than the others.

748
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 4: So everybody has things that they're not proud about or

749
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 4: that's quote unquote different from the norm. But once we

750
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 4: can accept everybody for who they are, that's when we

751
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 4: truly will achieve a society of bliss, like a society

752
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 4: of just people minding their business and living their life

753
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 4: and enjoying it.

754
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 2: Seeing where the NFL was when Michael Sam was drafted. Actually,

755
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 2: you know what, I'll wait. I'll ask you this on

756
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 2: the other side of the break, the real quick because

757
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 2: I have a ton more to ask you, including about

758
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 2: you have some very strong opinions about whether or not

759
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 2: football players can play basketball.

760
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 5: So yeah, yeah.

761
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 2: I wait to ask you about that. But before I

762
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 2: get to that question, I want to ask you. We'll

763
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 2: take a quick break and we'll be back with more

764
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 2: with Colin Saunders. So what I was going to ask

765
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 2: you before we took a break. You see, where the

766
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 2: league was when Michael Sam was drafted. It was a

767
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,280
Speaker 2: huge story. You know, there was a lot of different

768
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,439
Speaker 2: conversations happening publicly privately across the league.

769
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: But looking where the league is.

770
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 2: Now, and you know, we were talking about Karl who

771
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 2: plays I think the Raiders right with the Raiders, much

772
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 2: different climate for him. So does it feel like the

773
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 2: NFL as a league isn't a much better place of acceptance.

774
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: Than they were before when it comes to openly gay players.

775
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I mean just from even you know, seeing the

776
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 4: fact that the NFL is in a rainbow, like they

777
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 4: have the logo of the NFL with rainbow codes on it.

778
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 4: That alone is and you know that's very simple, but

779
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 4: that's very as progressive as well, you know, because like

780
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 4: you know, that's like seeing a lot of logos and

781
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 4: things mean very strongly for people, you know, And so

782
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 4: seeing the NFL shield and like I said, with the

783
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 4: real white and blue and all of that, and then

784
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 4: it's now a rainbow and you know, in supportive of

785
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 4: especially whether it be in June, in Pride months and

786
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 4: stuff like that, you know that that speaks volumes for

787
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 4: the people who feel represented because there are you know,

788
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,720
Speaker 4: coaches and stuff as well, like a lot of the

789
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 4: women coaches in the league that are that are gay.

790
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 4: You know, that helps them like they feel seen, and so, uh,

791
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 4: you know, I think we're definitely making a little more

792
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 4: progress just the simple fact that Carl has been in

793
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 4: the league and able to get opportunities, especially on different teams.

794
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 4: I feel like he's been on at least two teams,

795
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 4: and so just that fact alone is showing that it's

796
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 4: a little bit more progressive. And and then as far

797
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 4: as just allyship uh you know, like I said this

798
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 4: from the start.

799
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 5: This is not a.

800
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 4: Push to persuade anybody to do anything or to be

801
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 4: a certain way. It's just a push to accept people

802
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 4: how they are, you know what I mean. So I

803
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 4: don't think that I think that you know, we're we're

804
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 4: making progress and we're making strides towards accepting people for

805
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 4: who they are.

806
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 2: Well, you know, push is always an interesting word when

807
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 2: it comes to talking about the queer community because and

808
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 2: I've had this conversation at Nausen with other hetero sexuals

809
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,720
Speaker 2: who are who sometimes will express that same you're pushing

810
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 2: it on and this and that, And I was like,

811
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 2: existence and pushing are two different things, and they don't

812
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 2: seem to be able to separate the two. Is that

813
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 2: you know, they should be allowed to exist much in

814
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 2: the same way we exist as hetero sexuals, right, Like

815
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 2: they should be able to do these same things. And

816
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 2: so really a lot of times is that some people

817
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 2: would just prefer them not to exist. And that is

818
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 2: a different, you know, sort of conversation. And I was

819
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 2: so glad that earlier that you brought up the fact

820
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 2: that you know, as a young boy, you knew your crushes.

821
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 2: I mean, people do it all the time, little boys

822
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 2: ask them like who you got a crush on?

823
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 5: Or whatever.

824
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:53,879
Speaker 1: It's like, so this.

825
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 2: Idea that children are not aware of sexuality is frankly

826
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 2: not true. It is not and so I find that

827
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:07,280
Speaker 2: that sometimes can be, you know, a bit of a roadblock.

828
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 2: You brought up how the NFL has embraced Pride Month,

829
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,439
Speaker 2: and I saw the ad that they had that the

830
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:14,760
Speaker 2: opening title card.

831
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: Was the NFL is Gay, And as soon as I

832
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: saw that, I.

833
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 5: Was like that.

834
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 2: Already you have, like former player Des Brian, some other

835
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:30,240
Speaker 2: players who have not felt very positively towards that message.

836
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 1: What was your take on the campaign?

837
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:39,720
Speaker 4: Man? It's just like, I don't know how people can't

838
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 4: dissociate like their feeling is about something just to see

839
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 4: stuff for facts in black and white, you know, because.

840
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 5: That obviously the message is not.

841
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 4: Like what what makes you think that whoever made this

842
00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 4: video was saying everybody in the NFL is gay?

843
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 5: You know?

844
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 4: And that's why it's like some of this stuff is

845
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 4: just laughable because it's almost like explaining it to a child.

846
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 5: I have four children now, and.

847
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 4: These are the type of things that I would have

848
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 4: to explain to them, like, no, baby, they're not saying

849
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 4: that Daddy not gay is because it's like, you know,

850
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 4: clearly they're saying that this there is that within the space.

851
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 4: They're not saying that everybody within this space is that.

852
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 5: So it's like it's.

853
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 4: Almost like I said, it's almost laughable because people take

854
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 4: what they want to take, and they take the messages

855
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 4: how they want to because like you said, right when

856
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 4: you seeing that and you knew how it was gonna

857
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 4: because just like when I announced this camp, I immediately knew,

858
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 4: Like I was talking about my marketing agent and I said,

859
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 4: I already know that there's gonna be at least half

860
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 4: of the app that says, oh wow, either A he

861
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 4: is gay himself or B he's trying to make our

862
00:44:58,080 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 4: children gay.

863
00:44:58,640 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 5: I already knew that.

864
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 4: But it's like, when you know what you really are

865
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 4: trying to accomplish, you can see past all of that.

866
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 4: And I feel like, you know, you know, and I

867
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 4: does bright a great player and all of that in

868
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 4: that regard, but you know, if you can't just look

869
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 4: past that, you know, initial feeling of he's calling me

870
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 4: gay or something like that, you know you can't you'll

871
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 4: never understand what that what's truly trying to be accomplished,

872
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 4: and is that you never know.

873
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 5: I mean, I ain't gonna wish on.

874
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 4: Dens or anybody, but like, if you have a son

875
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 4: who eventually identifies as a gay person, how are you

876
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 4: going to accept that?

877
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 5: How are you going to treat that? You know what

878
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 5: I mean?

879
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 4: Are you going to a run away from it and

880
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 4: disown your kid and stuff like that, which that's very

881
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 4: prevalent and especially in a black community, Or are you

882
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 4: going to be a good person and parents or child?

883
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 5: You know what I mean, As.

884
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 4: Simple as that sounds, it shouldn't take much more thought

885
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 4: than this came for me, and I need to nurture it.

886
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 4: But you know, some people need more convincing to be

887
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 4: a parent, so which is unfortunate. But you know, hey,

888
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:13,919
Speaker 4: I feel like, you know, we're getting to that time

889
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:17,240
Speaker 4: where we just got to sit down as a society

890
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 4: and really understand what messages are being construed and what

891
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,439
Speaker 4: we're taken from these messages, because people take what they

892
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 4: want to take. Like you hear a message, we can

893
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,879
Speaker 4: hear the same message and interpreted two different ways. And

894
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 4: I feel like there's there a lot of times are

895
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 4: very clearly one way that a message should have been.

896
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 2: Taken so there, and I think you understand this even

897
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 2: more innately as a as a black man when it

898
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 2: comes to allyship, we know who our allies are, and

899
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 2: we know who they are, and we know what that

900
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 2: looks like from what you've been able to learn as

901
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 2: an ally, what would you say as people try to

902
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 2: figure out ways that they can be a better ally,

903
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 2: be it to the queer community, be it to the

904
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 2: black community, whatever marginalized group, what would you say are

905
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 2: some things that people who want to be allies should

906
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 2: do in order to you know, prove like, hey, I'm

907
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:18,879
Speaker 2: in this for something real.

908
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:19,439
Speaker 5: Right.

909
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 4: The first, very first thing that I can say for

910
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 4: a person to do is to treat people how you

911
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 4: want to be treated.

912
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 5: Right. So that's very generic.

913
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 4: All of our grandmamas has told us that, but we

914
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 4: really take a step back and look at the root

915
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 4: of the phrase and like, just the real meaning of

916
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 4: the phrase is that, you know, obviously and broken down

917
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 4: in the simplest terms, you know, explaining to a child,

918
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 4: you'll be like, Okay, if you know you don't want

919
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,879
Speaker 4: somebody to punch you in your eye, don't punch them

920
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 4: in their eye, right, So that's how you break it

921
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 4: down in terms of a child. But then you you know,

922
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 4: get into the more into the intricacies of life and

923
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 4: growing up as an adult, and then you see, okay,

924
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 4: it's not just physical. Okay, maybe I don't you know,

925
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 4: I've been having this whatever day type of day I've

926
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 4: been having, and I don't want to go to somewhere

927
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 4: I feel that I'm you know, going there to be comforting,

928
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 4: like Starbucks or something.

929
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 5: I'm like, Okay, this has.

930
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 4: Been a bad day, but at least I get to

931
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 4: give me a cheese danish and whatever. And then I

932
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,760
Speaker 4: go in there and here's somebody say, look at this faggot,

933
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 4: Like you know what I'm saying, Like, I feel like

934
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 4: it's common it's very common sense to not do that.

935
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 4: But I feel like, also, you know, as much as

936
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 4: racism and other forms of hate, there learned and pass

937
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 4: through generations, so you know, we've learned that being gay

938
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 4: is wrong from prior generations and that's been passed down.

939
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:55,919
Speaker 4: And then you'll get to a and to a guy

940
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 4: who was born in two thousand and four and you

941
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 4: be like, you know, why do you hey gay people?

942
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 5: I'm like, I don't know.

943
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 4: He really don't even know he's just because his dad

944
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,720
Speaker 4: didn't like it. I mean, his granddad didn't like it,

945
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 4: and his great granddad didn't like it. So, you know,

946
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 4: I feel like we're trying to break that way of

947
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 4: thinking of just generational thinking, and you know, trying to

948
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 4: make it a better society going forward in general for everybody.

949
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 5: You know.

950
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 2: Also, a component of allyship is risk. And I had

951
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 2: a conversation with a former NFL punter, Chris Coleoi. He

952
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 2: was a guest on the podcast, and when he played

953
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 2: for the Vikings, he aligned himself with queer causes, you know,

954
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,399
Speaker 2: because I think I think gay marriage may have been

955
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 2: a debater on the table, and so he showed up

956
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 2: for that community and it was not received well by

957
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 2: the organization, you know, not not necessarily about the cause,

958
00:49:55,960 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 2: but mostly about the level of how polarizing the issue

959
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 2: can be. And you know, it's the number one word

960
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 2: that they hate in the NFL distraction. So were you

961
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 2: ever concerned about or how much were you concerned that

962
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 2: putting yourself out there in this way as an ally

963
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 2: to this community that maybe from an organizational standpoint, it

964
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,959
Speaker 2: might be frowned upon, or maybe it could cost you opportunities.

965
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: Like, how concern were you about that?

966
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, that's obviously a huge concern. But at

967
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 4: the end of the day, you know, I'm not gonna

968
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 4: be playing in the NFL for that long. I'm not

969
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 4: gonna be not for that long, but I'm not going

970
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 4: to be you know, this is a this is a

971
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 4: short lived career. I'm blessed of make it to seven years.

972
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,760
Speaker 4: But you know, there's no guarantee that you play for forever.

973
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 4: But I'm gonna be an ally to my brother for forever,

974
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. That's gonna be my brother forever.

975
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 4: I'm not going to be an NFL player forever, but

976
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 4: that's gonna be my brother forever. And you know, I

977
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 4: think that there's a way of doing things as well.

978
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 4: You know that that I try my best to not

979
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,879
Speaker 4: offend anybody with anything that I do, which is why

980
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 4: I'm not like saying, hey, if you don't come to

981
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 4: this camp, you're wrong and stuff like that, Like, no,

982
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 4: it's not like that. Like I said, if you don't

983
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 4: support when i'm the message that I'm purtruing, then I'm not.

984
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,439
Speaker 4: You know, I have no problem with that at all,

985
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 4: you know, and you can go your separate way, and

986
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:26,800
Speaker 4: then I'll just try and like I said, cultivate environment

987
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 4: of learning and empathy as opposed to you know, a

988
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 4: negativity and just following what the next person does.

989
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 5: And so you know, I think that you.

990
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 4: Know, my my biggest go or my biggest attribute, and

991
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 4: as far as not being distracted in the NFL is

992
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 4: just genuineus, Like this is.

993
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:51,280
Speaker 5: Genuinely who I am.

994
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,839
Speaker 4: And my team knows that, my team has met my

995
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 4: brother plenty of times. And just like you know, when

996
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 4: when they want to ask questions about my allyship and

997
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 4: stuff like that, like if you can ask questions about it,

998
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:08,879
Speaker 4: then it can't be a distraction for me because they're

999
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 4: asking the same you know what I mean, Like I'm

1000
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 4: getting reporters asking questions about my brother and him dancing

1001
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 4: and being on tour and all that stuff like that.

1002
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 4: So if it's not a distraction, then it's not a

1003
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 4: distraction when I want to bring it up conveniently for

1004
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 4: myself as well.

1005
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 1: With your brother, So who knows more about which do

1006
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 1: you know more about Taylor Swift or does he know

1007
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 1: more about football?

1008
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 5: Yeah? He definitely.

1009
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 1: He's on tour with Taylor Swift.

1010
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,399
Speaker 5: I think it's over with. Yeah, it's over with now.

1011
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 4: But yeah he was, Yeah he was, but no, he

1012
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 4: definitely know more about football. Yeah, because I realized he's

1013
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 4: been playing. I've been playing football since I was eight,

1014
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 4: like he been on tour with her for two years.

1015
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 4: So I will I will say admittedly I did learn

1016
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 4: a lot more of her songs and I didn't. I

1017
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 4: knew more songs that I then I thought I knew too.

1018
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 4: But that being said, no, he definitely knows more about football.

1019
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 4: Like I've been doing this since I was seven, eight

1020
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,399
Speaker 4: years old, he's been and he been almost every game.

1021
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 1: So did you go to a Taylor Swift show to

1022
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: see Oh.

1023
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:15,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah I've been. I've been about three of them,

1024
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 4: so yeah, I've seen them.

1025
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: For sure, So I guess it was. It would have

1026
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: been interesting because you left the Chiefs in.

1027
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 5: Two years ago. Two years ago, so I'm going on

1028
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 5: my third year with the.

1029
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:32,280
Speaker 2: Facts, right, So this preceded Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey.

1030
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I was.

1031
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: Now imagine if you would.

1032
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, doesn't everybody.

1033
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 1: Say your brother to it?

1034
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,919
Speaker 5: That would have been Yeah, that's everybody's been asked.

1035
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,720
Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, we ain't have they Just that happened

1036
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:48,399
Speaker 4: and then all these questions started a rising.

1037
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 5: I'm like, did we do something like what? But no,

1038
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 5: you know that was just it was.

1039
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 4: It's just a series of events that just just went

1040
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 4: like that. But you know it was crazy though when

1041
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 4: I got end up getting traded and then you know,

1042
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 4: all of that happened. But I love I love Trav.

1043
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 4: You know, that's my guy, one of my favorite teammates.

1044
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:10,720
Speaker 4: So I'm happy that he's happy.

1045
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,839
Speaker 1: Have you been able to meet Taylor Swift through your brother?

1046
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 4: Actually no, I've you know, I've been to a lot

1047
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 4: of her shows and stuff like that, but I you know,

1048
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 4: I come for Cam, you know what I mean, like

1049
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 4: and you know, Taylor Swift is the cool probably the

1050
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 4: coolest boss you can ever have. But you know, I

1051
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 4: come and I and I support and I'm just trying to,

1052
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,479
Speaker 4: you know, give give that love, support that he's always

1053
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 4: given me and whenever he comes to my game.

1054
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 2: So all right, well, Colin, I I conclude every podcast

1055
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 2: by asking what I call a messy question, a question

1056
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 2: design to trick you into making a headline. So you

1057
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 2: had not too long ago, some very strong opinions about

1058
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 2: whether or not football players. And this was based off

1059
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 2: I guess to get the fullbacks. Jason Tatum had ridicule

1060
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 2: football players who tried to play basketball, right and saying

1061
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 2: that that's one of the funniest things he's ever seen.

1062
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 2: Is like when football players try to play basketball. You

1063
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 2: have taken exception to this, all right, So which sport

1064
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 2: has better athletes? Basketball or football?

1065
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 4: Football better athletes? That's like, like you don't even that's

1066
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:26,800
Speaker 4: not even a question.

1067
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 5: Have you ever seen Tyreek Gill do anything?

1068
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 4: Yes, Like this man is like five foot one and

1069
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 4: can do an East Bay windmill? Like come on now,

1070
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 4: Like that's you just don't see that in other sports.

1071
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 4: So yeah, football got the best athletes for sure.

1072
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 2: Now, when it comes to playing basketball, if do you

1073
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 2: think you could assemble a team of a team of

1074
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 2: football players who could give some basketball players and run.

1075
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 1: The idea of.

1076
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 2: Say, let's say flag football, of putting together a team

1077
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 2: of basketball players that can get you all run in

1078
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 2: some flag.

1079
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 1: So say tackle because that's.

1080
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 4: The point, because that's the thing, right we played, This

1081
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 4: sport is tackle football, Like because when you're getting the flag,

1082
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 4: now you're talking about like the Olympic, Dude, that's saying

1083
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 4: he better than Tyreka that is he we don't know.

1084
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 4: What we play is tackle football, right, So do I

1085
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,799
Speaker 4: think you can form a team of NBA players play?

1086
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 5: No?

1087
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 4: Absolutely, not like I will torch anybody in a one

1088
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 4: on one in the entire NBA in a pass words

1089
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:39,800
Speaker 4: one on one, I promise you. But by the same token, yes,

1090
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 4: if we game up with a five and then win

1091
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 4: against you know, all these NBA players, but they win absolutely.

1092
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 5: But you think like you.

1093
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 2: Feel like your skill level as a basketball player is

1094
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 2: much closer to theirs than theirs their skill level as

1095
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 2: a football You do because.

1096
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 4: Because think about it, some guys the NBA hat Rudy Gobert.

1097
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 5: Like I'm not saying he bad or nothing, but like

1098
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 5: what is his job?

1099
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 4: It's rebounds and stuff like like exactly, Like, so you

1100
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 4: got you got guys who are specifically there for one reason.

1101
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 4: You tell me we can't find the best shooter in

1102
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 4: the NFL. Send him in the corner and have somebody

1103
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 4: that's tall enough to drive and kick it to him every.

1104
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 5: Time at the end the day is a shot that

1105
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 5: is fifty to fifty.

1106
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 4: That's what I always live by. So if he gonna

1107
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 4: make that shot, he gonna make it. If he don't,

1108
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 4: he don't. Now with the NBA players, probably be able

1109
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 4: to shoot a little better, yes, but that's not act

1110
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 4: like we don't train footwork every every single day. Like

1111
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 4: it's easy to slide. It's easier to slide with people

1112
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 4: that you think like and then we big bodies.

1113
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 5: So I don't know.

1114
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 4: I just I take exceptions to that because I can hoop,

1115
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 4: I plat out, I can hoop.

1116
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 5: I've played with some of the professionals.

1117
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 4: I played with Obie Topping and PG and uh Kobe

1118
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 4: White and proactive, and you can ask them I can

1119
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 4: do this for real. Now, my endurance, that's where they

1120
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 4: win it. That's where they win because up and down court,

1121
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 4: I get it. Y'all might have a sorry, but you

1122
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 4: give me a team of like you know what I'm saying.

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00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 4: I mean because DK ain't even that tall, but DK metcalf.

1124
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 4: It's like you got to measure the height and the strength, Like, yeah,

1125
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 4: he's only sixty four, but are you backing him down?

1126
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 5: No, you're not.

1127
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 4: You can shoot over him, but he's he can jump too,

1128
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 4: so he's gonna contest the shot. It's not like you're

1129
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 4: just playing against you know, somebody who don't know how

1130
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 4: to be athletic.

1131
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.

1132
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 4: That's what kills me about the whole thing, because you

1133
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 4: got guys who literally do one thing on the court

1134
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 4: and make a living off of it, and apparently you

1135
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 4: don't think that we can go. If I went and

1136
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 4: specialized in shooting one shot my entire career and that

1137
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 4: was all I did was sit in the corner, I

1138
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 4: can I would make that shot more times than I

1139
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 4: miss it. As opposed to of them, We've seen dramnd

1140
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 4: trying to play football like I'm not just making this up, bro,

1141
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 4: Like they you can't if not seven on seven different

1142
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 4: whereas the contact is limited and that's different. But if

1143
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 4: I'm putting my hands on any of them people in

1144
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 4: the NBA, I don't care. I will honestly confidently say

1145
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 4: I don't think one person in the NBA can stop

1146
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 4: me from getting to a quarterback.

1147
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 5: Now. Do I think I can score on somebody the NBA? Absolutely?

1148
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, There's something I would love a made for TV.

1149
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, pros Versus Jones. I remember on Spike TV pros

1150
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 4: Verse Joe that.

1151
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 5: Was my favorite.

1152
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 4: I want to bring that back so bad because well

1153
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 4: that's outside of the NBA versus NFL.

1154
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 5: That was more so the Twitter trolls, and I would

1155
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 5: love I would love that as well.

1156
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 2: But yeah, at yeah, yeah yeah.

1157
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 1: Interesting.

1158
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 2: So you're saying that if you know, if Lebron James

1159
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 2: is protecting Patrick Mahomes, you're gonna get past.

1160
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 5: Them thousand percent one percent. I love like Bron and

1161
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 5: that's fine.

1162
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 1: I hate it.

1163
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 5: That's fine, so so is Tyren Smith.

1164
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 4: But guess what, Tyler Smith six eight with three fifteen though,

1165
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 4: like you think Bron, come on, I love Bron, Bron

1166
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 4: my goat, but Ron gonna feel his long arm and

1167
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 4: stab club rip and that.

1168
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 5: Boy gonna be like, wow, I am not good at this.

1169
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 5: Just what it is.

1170
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 4: I'm in doing this b Like, I'm sorry you whoever y'all, biggest, baddest,

1171
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Big baby Davis, whoever they

1172
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 4: want to break, it's not gonna work.

1173
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 1: You.

1174
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 5: You ain't trained when I trained, like you can't.

1175
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 4: Have you ever seen the video of Kevin Durant trying

1176
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 4: to pass rush on a like a not even in

1177
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 4: the NFL, oh tackle and get him up like that's

1178
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 4: that's what this will be like real, for real, And

1179
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 4: I'm very confident in that because until you feel that,

1180
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 4: like until you feel what it feels like to get

1181
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 4: picked on a game or a three hundred pounds man

1182
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 4: come hit all of this and you like this like

1183
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 4: till you feel that, you don't know how that like

1184
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 4: you and the felt little elbow and the ribs on

1185
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 4: the jump shot. But you ain't felt, Uh what's you

1186
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 4: ain't felt? What's doing on the Eagles? Jalen Carter? You

1187
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:24,479
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, coming full speed in the side

1188
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 4: of your head, like straight helmet right here.

1189
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 5: You ain't felt there before, and you can't that.

1190
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 4: It's a different kind of pain like we're going through

1191
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 4: real car crashes every play. Yeah, and that's why I

1192
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 4: said I'm not gonna argue the flag football because that's

1193
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 4: it's not the same No, no, see that's not That's

1194
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 4: not the same sport football. The contact makes a huge

1195
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 4: difference problem.

1196
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 1: What you heard her first?

1197
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 2: You call NBA players off, It's okay.

1198
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 5: Whatever they want to say.

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01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 4: I just know if you tell me, if all right,

1200
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 4: out of ten possessions and I got to score a

1201
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 4: bucket and then ten possessions, I got to get a

1202
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 4: pass rush.

1203
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 1: You going ten for ten.

1204
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 4: I'm going ten for ten pass rush, and then I

1205
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 4: might go like three of ten. But the fact that

1206
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 4: I can go three of ten and you can't go

1207
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 4: zero of you will go zero of ten on me

1208
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 4: like trying to protect me from getting the pass that

1209
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 4: to let you know who's better, it was sport.

1210
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 1: I can't wait to ask a basketball player this question.

1211
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:23,440
Speaker 1: This is gonna be amazing.

1212
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 2: Well, Colin, thank you so much for joining me for

1213
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 2: this episode of politics. Your camp is July fifth, fifth already,

1214
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 2: just real quick? Have you do you anticipate that there

1215
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 2: will be some LGBTQ plus youth that will be at

1216
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 2: the camp.

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01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1218
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 4: Absolutely, you know, I know, I don't know about the

1219
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 4: specifics of who will be there as far as the youth,

1220
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 4: but I've been getting so much support and just outreach

1221
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 4: from you know, social media influencers and people that you know,

1222
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 4: maybe not the youth, but like I just did some

1223
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 4: work with It's a page on Instagram called Rainbow Dads

1224
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 4: and they they are two dads that are married, they

1225
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 4: have a son who is you know, the youth. So

1226
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 4: situations like that where the parents are actually in the

1227
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 4: community and they just wanted to have their kids come

1228
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 4: and learn.

1229
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 5: About the community a little more.

1230
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 4: That I've been getting a lot of that as well,

1231
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 4: So even all the way from that to people want

1232
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 4: to volunteer and just help the calls and you know,

1233
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:24,680
Speaker 4: help it be a great day.

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01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 5: So yeah, I've been getting I've been getting a lot

1235
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 5: of outreach.

1236
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 2: Okay, well July fifth and it's taking places and St.

1237
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 2: Louis all right, So make sure everybody make sure you

1238
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 2: check that out. If you want more information, make sure

1239
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 2: that you go to original element dot org. Good luck

1240
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 2: with everything, Good luck with this season. I really appreciate

1241
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 2: you joining me absolutely. One more segment to go coming

1242
01:03:46,280 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 2: up next, the Final Spin. All right, Tom out for

1243
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 2: the Final Spin. The headline, WNBA players vote Kaitlyn Clark

1244
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 2: ninth the mong guards in All Star voting. The spin,

1245
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 2: WNBA players are jealous of Kaitlyn Clark.

1246
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 1: The truth.

1247
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 2: I hated that dig Bytell, who I have a lot

1248
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 2: of respect for, used his social media platform to spread

1249
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:20,920
Speaker 2: such a terrible narrative. I respect you, Dicky B, but

1250
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 2: you were missing some key context.

1251
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 1: Let me learn you.

1252
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:27,240
Speaker 2: WNBA all Stars are determined based on three components.

1253
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 1: The fan vote, a media vote, and a player vote.

1254
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 2: The fan vote accounts for fifty percent, the media vote

1255
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 2: and the player vote account for the other fifty twenty

1256
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 2: five percent each. Kaitlyn Clark finished first in the fan

1257
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:41,800
Speaker 2: voting by a significant margin because she got the most

1258
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 2: fan votes. She finished third in the media vote and

1259
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 2: ninth in the players. But here's the thing, the players

1260
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 2: didn't actually vote her ninth.

1261
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 1: They couldn't.

1262
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:52,280
Speaker 2: The players can vote on four guards and six front

1263
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 2: court players. Caitlin Clark did not make it in the

1264
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:59,080
Speaker 2: top four of enough player ballots. Therefore, it dropped her

1265
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 2: cumulative score to ninth, best among guards.

1266
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:04,919
Speaker 1: So again, the players did not vote her ninth.

1267
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 2: But it's really not that controversial that a lot of

1268
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 2: players didn't have her in their top four. Here's why.

1269
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 2: Caitlyn Clark has missed half of the Indiana Fevers games

1270
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 2: due to injury. As of the recording of this podcast,

1271
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 2: she is averaging six turnovers a game, which is highest

1272
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 2: in the league. She is also shooting twenty nine percent

1273
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 2: from three and thirty nine percent overall, and while she

1274
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 2: is averaging eighteen and a half points per game by

1275
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 2: any objective measure, she has not had a great season

1276
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 2: and those are not All Star numbers, so based on that,

1277
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 2: isn't really that controversial that the players.

1278
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 1: Didn't rank her in the top four.

1279
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 2: Also, my suspicion is that the players knew she was

1280
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 2: a lot for the All Star Game anyway, and they

1281
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 2: may have purposely used their ballots to get other players

1282
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 2: who probably weren't going to get strong fans support.

1283
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 1: Or maybe even media support some recognition.

1284
01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 2: Caitlyn is the most popular player in the WNBA, and

1285
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:03,480
Speaker 2: the All Star Game is in Indianapolis. The odds of

1286
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 2: her not making the All Star team were less than zero.

1287
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 2: Caitlyn was named a captain for the All Star Game,

1288
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 2: so all this whining about the player vote is truly inconsequential.

1289
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 2: I'm just tired of this narrative that the players are

1290
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 2: all jealous of her, and I am convinced this narrative

1291
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:23,640
Speaker 2: wouldn't be nearly as persistent if the WNBA wasn't seventy

1292
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:28,040
Speaker 2: percent black. The racial pornography of positioning black women as

1293
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 2: villains of the darling white girl is just too irresistible

1294
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:34,840
Speaker 2: for some people. Even though Sabrina i and Escu and

1295
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 2: Paige Beckers, both of whom are white, finished second and

1296
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 2: fourth among the players respectively. Hell, if anyone should have

1297
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:45,320
Speaker 2: been pissed, it should be Kelsey Blum, who is averaging

1298
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 2: more points, shooting better from the field and from three

1299
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 2: point range than Kaitlyn Clark, and the composite voting dropped

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Speaker 2: her to sixteenth among the players.

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Speaker 1: There are not fifteen.

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Speaker 2: Better point guards than Kelsey Plum, nor are there eight

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Speaker 2: point guards better than Kaitlyn Clark. But don't blame the players,

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Speaker 2: blame the composite numbers. This concludes another episode of Politics.

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Speaker 2: and politics don't just mix.

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Speaker 2: Politics is the production of iHeart Podcasts and the Unbothered Network.

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Speaker 2: I'm Your host Jamel Hill. Executive producer is Taylor Schakogin.

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Speaker 2: Lucas Hyman is Head of Audio and executive producer. Original

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