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Speaker 1: Welcome to the crime round up. Oh it is a

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Speaker 1: beautiful day and it landin eights grace, It really is,

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Speaker 2: Good, Artie. And I'm just right now thinking about what

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Speaker 2: Florida has been through again. I mean, you know, it

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Speaker 2: just seems to me like we do the same thing

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Speaker 2: over and over and over again. And from what I understand,

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Speaker 2: victims are fighting for their lives in a hospital right now.

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Speaker 2: You know, they go it hit me Ryl when Keith

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Speaker 2: was murdered, my fiancee, And I use that basically, as

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Speaker 2: you know, my north star. When I analyze cases, always

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Speaker 2: fron behalf of the crime victim. You start your day normally,

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Speaker 2: you think, well, you know, think everything's fine. You're too

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Speaker 2: dumb to think it's not fine. You just go about

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Speaker 2: your business and then suddenly the next thing you know,

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Speaker 2: your life is completely ripped apart. And that's the same

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Speaker 2: thing that's happened to these families. Two people did as

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Speaker 2: of this moment, unless it's gone up in the last

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Speaker 2: hour and I don't know about it. And six injured

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Speaker 2: and I don't mean just injured, I mean finding for

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Speaker 2: their lives. I mean people stay in the hospital hallways,

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Speaker 2: praying in the waiting rooms, just prayer chains, chasing doctors

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Speaker 2: down the hall, the whole shebbat again. And sometimes Cheryl,

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Speaker 2: when I'm working a case, investigating a case, it's not

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Speaker 2: just the pain of that case. And what I think

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Speaker 2: the families are going through is the fact that hey,

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Speaker 2: we just did this, we just did this, and it's

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Speaker 2: happening again.

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Speaker 1: And Nancy, you know, I'm often reminded when I were

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Speaker 1: with Tupac's mom. Do you know she repeatedly would ask

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Speaker 1: She cared more about the why than the who. She

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Speaker 1: just could not, in her mind understand why why would

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Speaker 1: you kill him? And I think every single time, especially

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Speaker 1: when there's a mass why these soft targets. These kids

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Speaker 1: just want to go to class, They just want to

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Speaker 1: is literally one of the most significant times of their life.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Taliessie is such a fantasistic place that college

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Speaker 1: does remarkable things with incredible people, and then this, And

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Speaker 1: there is no whyle. There is no reason, and I've

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Speaker 1: heard you say it, there is There's no reason that

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Speaker 1: I would ever be able to accept where I can

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Speaker 1: go oh, I see that. I understand why this happened.

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Speaker 1: I understand why you would walk into a college area

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Speaker 1: with your mom's service weapon and just start shooting people

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Speaker 1: you don't know. Well, that's a whole.

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Speaker 2: Another layer right there. Cheryl McCollums. I remember, and I

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Speaker 2: won't say his name. You know him well. He was

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Speaker 2: a great great he's turned off as a motorman, as

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Speaker 2: they called himselves, the motorcycle cop. I remember when he

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Speaker 2: in the hospital forever because he was out, you know,

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Speaker 2: by the side of the road as a motorman and

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Speaker 2: went on to climb up the ranks of APD. And

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Speaker 2: then I remember when he was going to law school

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Speaker 2: at night to become a lawyer. I remember one of

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Speaker 2: the worst things that ever happened to him, according to him,

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Speaker 2: a hold of a service weapon and shot the gun.

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Speaker 2: I can't say any more of that identifying, but no

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Speaker 2: serious it is for you not to have control of

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Speaker 2: has it now. I think this through with me, Cheryl.

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Speaker 2: He the year had to know that about his mom.

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Speaker 2: Right when a when LA loses their weapon or somebody

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Speaker 2: takes their weapon, that's like a serious, serious infraction for

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Speaker 2: the law enforcement officer's right and in some way getting

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Speaker 2: that weapon, I'm telling you, with some kind of swipe

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Speaker 2: at his mom does that. I'm not explaining why he

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Speaker 2: did what.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm not.

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Speaker 2: I'm just telling you that that's part of it. What

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Speaker 2: I know that much when you take Ellie's weapon from

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Speaker 1: I agree with you because I doubt, seriously that's the

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Speaker 2: Oh you're right, I hadn't even thought of that.

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Speaker 1: You have a thirty eight from Grandpa, you have you

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Speaker 1: just target practice. He didn't select any of those weapons.

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Speaker 1: He selected her service weapon.

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Speaker 2: I hate the new phraseology. It's not that new to

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Speaker 2: unpack because it sounds like you're jumping home from a

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Speaker 2: It's like when people say my bad, and it's like

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Speaker 2: unpack makes it like I said, elect, you're just coming

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Speaker 2: home from a spring vacation. Guess where where I'm coming

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Speaker 2: home from. That's not correct right now? Looking at colleges

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Speaker 2: with the twins, and guess that. We were talking about

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Speaker 2: all of the twins friends that have gone to Tallahassee

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Speaker 2: they're awesome. It's just it sends there's so many reverberations

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Speaker 2: first what five minutes talking about everything but the actual crime.

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Speaker 2: But it's there's just so many layers to what's happened.

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Speaker 1: And I think you said it beautifully. Just then this

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Speaker 1: Here you are with the twins doing something that should

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Speaker 2: I would just want to walk the twins away and

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Speaker 2: And I've been finding this my whole life since Keith

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Speaker 2: Can I do this? Can I get in that program?

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Speaker 2: Blah blah blah blah blah. I can't protect them, and

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Speaker 2: I feel like I'm in hit by Max Truck.

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Speaker 1: No I understand. I know when Hug was getting ready

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Speaker 1: I didn't want to lose that. And didn't they get

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Speaker 2: Oh hey, can I point out one other thing? Do

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Speaker 2: you know? Where I first saw Keith was on a

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Speaker 2: and I just kept going. It took me about three

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Speaker 2: student union. You know where I'm going with this. Okay,

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Speaker 2: this guy opens fire at FLORISDA State University and it

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Speaker 2: all starts around the student union. Gunfire erupts near the

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Speaker 2: midday when it is the most packed. I told you

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Speaker 2: we were looking at a college yesterday and we went

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Speaker 1: The weapon was intentional. Right before Easter's intentional. I mean

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Speaker 1: everything was calculated. The fact that he didn't take his

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Speaker 1: was planned out. And when we talk about soft targets. Again.

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Speaker 1: Most college campuses now have their own police department. But

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Speaker 1: It's wide open, it's open air looking. There's nothing to

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Speaker 2: And I'll tell you something else. This is just I

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Speaker 2: don't even know what to make of this. You know,

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Speaker 2: I'll be a pharmacist. I went to college and they said, okay,

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Speaker 2: what do you want to be? And I'm like a

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Speaker 2: I just it was like everyone was speaking in Russian.

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Speaker 2: They all had had multiple and I was so naive.

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Speaker 2: I didn't even know about drop bad cheryl anyway. I

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Speaker 2: compare that to what I'm feeling right now, because I

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Speaker 2: don't understand the odds of what I'm about to tell you.

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Speaker 2: One of the students caught up in the shooting Thursday

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Speaker 2: Nicholas Cruz opened fire. It's Joshua Gallagher, he wrote on

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Speaker 2: x after living through the NST shooting in twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 2: I never thought it would get close to home again.

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Speaker 2: Then I'm in the FSU library and here an alarm

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Speaker 2: active shooter on campus. I mean, what, it's statistically impossible.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't anyway. This guy right, he's probably

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Speaker 2: hiding under his bed at his grandma's house right now

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Speaker 1: I mean, he not only has to believe that you're

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Speaker 1: not safe anywhere, he's lived it twice in the place

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Speaker 1: where he should be safe.

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Speaker 2: So Cheryl, oh, yeah, I started this whole thing by saying,

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Speaker 2: sometimes it's not just the pain of what I think

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Speaker 2: victim themselves, it's the fact that it's exhausting. It sucks

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Speaker 1: I mean, you have a way, obviously, of gripping and

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Speaker 2: I swear Cheryl. It seems like the harder I try,

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Speaker 2: But that's what I'm thinking about this morning, because you

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Speaker 1: Ahead, Amen, And I will leave it at that.

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Speaker 2: And I would like to ask for prayers for these families.

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Speaker 3: One more thing in there. You know my long time

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Speaker 1: We do that, we have a lot to be grateful for.

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Speaker 2: We really do, Cheryl, you have the best blessed Easter,

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Speaker 2: and let's just keep our nose in the wind and

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