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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Sheriff Javier or Salazar says

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Speaker 1: Andre McDonald, a major in the Air Force, refused to

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Speaker 1: help investigators find his wife. Investigators say they found blood

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Speaker 1: bring closure to this case. And the one little girl

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Speaker 1: not going to rest until we find her and until

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Speaker 1: we get her back to her family. Where is Andrene McDonald?

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Speaker 1: Imancy Grace, This as Crime Stories, Thank you for being

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Speaker 1: with us with me an all star panel. Atlanta criminal lawyer,

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Speaker 1: former prosecutor now renowned defense attorney Darryl Cohen for ensic psychiatrist,

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Speaker 1: doctor Daniel Bober Vincent Hill, private investigator, author of playbook

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Speaker 1: to a Murder, Joining me right now. Syndicated talks show

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Speaker 1: host Dave matt Okay, I want to start at the

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Speaker 1: beginning where every investigation starts. When did we last see

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Speaker 1: Tell me about her. I was reading an article about her,

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Speaker 1: Dave mac that was in a ladies magazine or a

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Speaker 1: tell me about her? On dream? At was a graduated

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Speaker 1: Living manager. And with those skills she opened up her

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Speaker 1: gangbusters with this business. I'm reading about her and something

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Speaker 1: matt Well. She and her husband Andre been married for

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Speaker 1: a murder or kidnap scene, I mean, what is going

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Speaker 1: through their head? It reminds me of for instance, Chris Watts,

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Speaker 1: after he murdered his wife, Shanan, who was pregnant with

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Speaker 1: baby Nico, then murdered both of his children, then crammed

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Speaker 1: their bodies into oil drums through a very small opening,

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00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 1: like a nine inch opening. Imagine those little girls shoulders

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Speaker 1: going through that opening. Burying his wife in a shallow grave.

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Speaker 1: What does he do? Stop by a convenience store and

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Speaker 1: get a biscuit, ham biscuit or something and a drink

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Speaker 1: and kind of chats up the blonde cashier. It's like, Hey,

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00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 1: no problem. I can't really relate to that, because I'm

436
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,679
Speaker 1: just thinking. I remember I just got in the twins

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00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: back to New York, and they had bathed them and

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00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 1: got them on their pj's, and I called my mom

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00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: and she said that they wanted to put my dad

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00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 1: on life support. And I remember that moment, I couldn't

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00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: even think straight, and somehow got everybody dressed again and

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00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 1: out on the sidewalk. Right now, it's like eleven o'clock

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00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: at night. We're out on the sidewalk, and I'm just

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00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 1: I can remember hearing it, but it didn't seem to

445
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 1: be coming from me. Screaming for a taxi it was

446
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 1: just a blur trying to get home to my dad.

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00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: And how do you have the wherewithal at a time

448
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 1: like that to go open up a bottle of bleach

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00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: and mop the floor. Doctor Daniel Bober, I think Nancy

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00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: at that point is pure self preservation. I think what's

451
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Speaker 1: going through your mind is I have to do everything

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Speaker 1: I can do to not get caught. I have to

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Speaker 1: do everything I can to protect myself. This has to succeed,

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Speaker 1: and I have to make sure to get every detail

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Speaker 1: right because I need to get out of this and

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00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: I don't want to get caught. I think that's literally

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Speaker 1: what's going through his mind. The evidence consisted of a shovel,

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Speaker 1: an axe, some heavy duty trash bags, some work gloves,

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Speaker 1: and two five gallon containers of gasoline in a burn

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Speaker 1: pit or burn pit or burn barrel. It led us

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Speaker 1: to believe that these were implements that were going to

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00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: be used in disposal money quite obviously to us, which

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00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: which really tends to drive home the point to us

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Speaker 1: that we believe that the Dendren McDonald is no longer living.

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Speaker 1: You were hearing Javier Salazar from the Bear County Sheriff's

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Speaker 1: Department talking to reporters, and he's talking about and Rane's husband,

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Speaker 1: Andre Dave Mack. What happened When police were looking over

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00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: the scene the first time they saw in his car

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00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 1: under a in his vehicle, they found traces of blood.

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Speaker 1: At that point, they decided to tail him because he

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00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: wasn't talking. He had told them that his wife was

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Speaker 1: at the hospital. So that's when they tail him. They

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00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 1: tail him to the gun store, where something inside the

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00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: gun store spooked him. He left his ID, he left

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Speaker 1: the gun that he was purchasing. He did grab the ammunition.

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Speaker 1: That's when they stopped. They said, okay, that's it. They

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Speaker 1: saw a shovel in his car while they were taking him,

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00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: they were going to take him for evaluation. They saw

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Speaker 1: the shovel in his car and that's what prompted the

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Speaker 1: second search warrant, but more specific search warrant for his

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Speaker 1: house and car. It was at that time that they

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Speaker 1: actually found he had tried to destroy two torn receipts okay,

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Speaker 1: receipts showing that he just purchased the shovel, the axe,

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Speaker 1: the hatchet, the gas cans, the gloves, the bags, all

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00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: of that evidence that they have. He tried to destroy

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Speaker 1: the receipts. So what they charged him with and rested

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00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 1: him was for tampering with evidence because he tried to

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Speaker 1: ruin the receipts to prove that he had just bought

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Speaker 1: that stuff that morning. You know, Daryl Cohen, former prosecutor

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Speaker 1: with me now defense attorney, Darryl Cohen, I just love receipts.

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00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: You know what I love even more than receipts, video

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00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: surveillance at Walmart and Target. I could just watch it

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Speaker 1: all day long. I love it when the husband comes

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Speaker 1: in and buys bleach and tarps and shovels and saws

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Speaker 1: and axes and a portable earn pit. It's just it

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00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: makes me so happy. But Daryl co and I know

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00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: it's just burning you up, burning you up that they

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00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: have arrested him on destroying a receipt and that's the

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Speaker 1: only charge and he's gnashing his teeth and twisting his

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00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: tail in jail on a receipt charge. Well, Nancy, you

501
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: can't legislate intelligence. Here's a guy that you mentioned earlier

502
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: was not very bright, and it seems to me that

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00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: I never said that. I never said he wasn't bright.

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00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: He was smart enough to marry on Drean McDonald, who

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00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,239
Speaker 1: owns two assistant facility living facilities taking care of an

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Speaker 1: autistic child, gets up in a gym at five o'clock

507
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: in the morning. Well he did something right, greedy, but

508
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: not necessarily bright. And here's a guy who probably did

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00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: this on the spur of the moment and then went

510
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: through every machination he could to cover his butt. He

511
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: didn't know what to do. He was paddicked. He cleaned up,

512
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: but he didn't clean up carefully. Everything he did shows

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00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: in my view that he was scared to do as

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00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: he did. This horrible this Keena's deed. He committed a

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00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: murder and now he's got to protect himself. But what

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00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: he went to protect him? There? See there sat That's

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00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 1: why they have arrested him, because he destroyed a receipt.

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Speaker 1: That's the only thing they've got him. All. Listen to

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00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: the Bear County shore right now. He started for tempering

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00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: with evidence again in trying to conceal the purchase of

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00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: what we believe we're going to be in limits to

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Speaker 1: dispose of the body. Has he said anything so unus

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Speaker 1: He has not said much. When we originally came into

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00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: contact with him on Friday, evening. He lawyered up pretty quick.

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00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: He exerted his right to counsel, which he absolutely has,

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00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: and but it made us a bit suspicious. Not the

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00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: fact that he asserted his rights, the fact that he

528
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: didn't seem to care very much at all of his

529
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: wife was missing, and the fact that he just flat

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00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: out and refused to help us with finding her. I

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00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: think one of those heartbreaking aspects of this case is

532
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: that at the center of this is a little girl.

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00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: He's six years old, who, quite frankly speaking for all

534
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: intensive purposes, just lost two parents. And this little girl

535
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: is autistic, mostly nonverbal, and to us and I can't

536
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: go too much into him, but to us, it's pretty

537
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: evident that she saw something. She saw what happened to

538
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Speaker 1: her mom. The reason the receipt is so important, guys,

539
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: is this is the receipt for all of those items

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00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: to shovel, the acts of gasoline, the trash bags. He's

541
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: got the receipt, and he destroyed that receipt. That is

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00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: the only reason he's behind bars. I don't know how

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00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: long they can really keep him behind bars on a

544
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,959
Speaker 1: charge like that, but I just heard something very very important.

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00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: Dave Max indicated talk show host about the autistic child.

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00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: You know, the police have stated that they believe that

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00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: she witnessed what happened between her mother and father. Now,

548
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: this is coming from one of those first witnesses who

549
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: actually is a friend of the family. She was one

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00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: of the people who went there to try to find

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00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: on dream the morning she didn't show up to work

552
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,479
Speaker 1: out or at work. They said that when they talked

553
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: to the little girl when they got her out of school,

554
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: they asked her if she knew what happened, and one

555
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: of the women actually taped her using a cell phone.

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00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: And the little girl, who is she's on the spectrum

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00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: of autism, is fairly non verbal, but she does speak Nancy.

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00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: According to these witnesses. In that video, she said that

559
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: daddy hurt mommy, and she made a choking noise like

560
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: mommy was having trouble breathing, and she asked, did you

561
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: get all the blood cleaned up? Those are the things

562
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: that we know the police have, which is why they're

563
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: saying they believe she saw everything. No, that just breaks

564
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: my heart. Doctor boy, riv worked was so many children

565
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: and a lot of times they don't explain things like

566
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: most people can understand them. But once you can unlock

567
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: their language and understand, look at their pictures, try to

568
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: place their words with what you believe happened. It all

569
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: makes perfect sense to say, Mommy couldn't breathe, did you clean?

570
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: Did you get all the bloo? What up? I think

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00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: that says it all, doctor Bober. Yes, I agree, Nancy,

572
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: And that's probably even more so true with someone who

573
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: is autistic and sees the world through a different lens

574
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: than other kids. Do you know Vincent Hill, private eye,

575
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: former cop, author of playbook to a Murderer on Amazon.

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00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: I just feels a sense of sadness because I'm looking

577
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: at the photos of them together. Here's one he made.

578
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: It's called Happy Wife, Happy Life, and he's smiling and

579
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: he's put hearts all over the picture. Here's one of them.

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00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: I think she's sitting in his lap. They're smiling, and

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00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: they have it all. They've got it all, Vincent, And

582
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: I guess the social media paints a very different picture

583
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: than what we know to be true. I mean, he filed.

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00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: Jackie's telling me he filed for divorce in twenty seventeen,

585
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: and then they got back together. Vincent, Yeah, Nancy, they

586
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: did filet He did file for divorce in two seventeen,

587
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: and I'm actually looking at a picture with them holding

588
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: a key saying they at their first home in June

589
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: of twenty seventeen. So, but the thing about domestic violing, Nancy,

590
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: and you know this better than anyone, what looks really

591
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: good on the outside can be hell on the inside.

592
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: We don't know what was going on inside that home.

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00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 1: And what's really troubling, Nancy, is I wonder why he

594
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: purchased a gun after his wife went missing after this

595
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 1: burn pit. Is there someone else that could have been

596
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: a potential target? What was the point of the gun

597
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: at this point, Nancy. That's that's very troubling, or maybe

598
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: a witness, you know, Daryl. When I was prosecuting, I

599
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: also volunteered at the batter Women's Center for nine and

600
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: a half years and it was amazing to me. And

601
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: I can't reveal any more than what I am, but

602
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:49,879
Speaker 1: the rich, educated people that were beating their wives, including

603
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: major politicians in the city of Atlanta, whose wives would

604
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: call in and we all knew who it was, We

605
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: all knew what was happening, and we try and try

606
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 1: and try, But I guess my question would be Darryl,

607
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 1: can you prove a murder without a body. Oh, absolutely,

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00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: we can prove a murder without a body. But I'll

609
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: tell you why I think he purchased a gun. I

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00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: think with the investigation is fully complete, you're going to

611
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: find that she was either having an affair or he

612
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 1: thought she was having an affair, and he's going after

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00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: the guy that he believes that she was having an

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00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:28,919
Speaker 1: affair with. That's why I think, Daryl, Well, I don't

615
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: know another way to say this, but is it all

616
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 1: about sex? With you? We have not even a santilla,

617
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,240
Speaker 1: not even a shred, not even a spec of evidence

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00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: to suggest she was having an affair. How about him

619
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: having an affair? Put that in your wife and't smoke it.

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00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: You know what cut his mind cuts mine? I don't

621
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Speaker 1: even want to hear it. Nancy Grace Crime Stories signing

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00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 1: off before I hear Daryl Cohen say one more word

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Speaker 1: about the victim. Goodbye quickly